Here Today... Gone To Hell!

"I just received confirmation that Axl will NOT be appearing on Jimmy Kimmel Tuesday, January 5th!
 
Sorry to disappoint but I can now confirm." - Downzy over at MyGNR

"No reason [was] given.  I sent out an email to someone connected with the band the answer I got back is that Axl will not be appearing in tomorrow night's show.  Hopefully we'll hear more in the coming days, so I wouldn't get too discouraged.  It's just not going to be on Kimmel tomorrow night.  That's all I know." - Downzy

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/213268-any-pre-airing-spoilers-will-be-in-this-thread-axl-rose-to-talk-guns-n-roses-on-jimmy-kimmel-live-tuesday-january-5th/page-50

Jesus Christ. Really??

Is this a reliable source?

He's the Admin/owner of MyGNRforum and he has inside contacts near the band.

Frankly I hae no faith in anything they proport over at mygnr. As reliable as any other click n bait site .

Well, that's just dynamite.

This is like the end of 'The Perfect Storm'.  Remember that?

All of the sudden there is this flash of sunshine and it looks like they've made it out.  Then it gets dark as shit, the mother of all waves comes out of nowhere, and capsizes the boat.

That's us.  We are the crew of the Andrea Gale.

I seriously hope not!!!

I was legitimately excited for this! What a bummber if it is true...

Ya know, even if it's still ago, and this is just a blip on the radar...Just... C'mon. This is the one time not to fuck things up.

Maybe he won't be there, but Slash and Duff will or something?

Doesn't mean there isn't anything GNR not going on though.

Jarmo, do you have any info?

His name was removed from the kimmel website so it's most likely true

This could just be a tactic to make it a surprise..... I mean why else would Frank be on his way to LA on a secret mission?

And would it be so hard for Axl to say on twitter that he's not gonna be on Kimmel

Plus Kimmel followed Axl n Slash on twitter this week

Somethings happening...

Yeah, he flaked on them.  That's what happened.

Either Axl isn't going to be there and other members will be...

or what I'm thinking...

They will have a 1 song performance at the end of Kimmel... as a complete surprise.

Wouldn't that be cool? Play Welcome to the Jungle or something? Or Patience.

"Just so I'm not being misinterpreted:
 
All I know and was told that Axl will not be on tomorrow night's episode of Jimmy Kimmel.  This does not imply that it was canceled.  Perhaps his appearance has been moved.  Maybe it was never officially confirmed between the two sides.  No one outside of the two camps (Axl's and Jimmy's) knows for sure.  I'm just passing along information as it's been reported to me.  
 
My intent here is to help quell any disappointment or frustration had the impression that Axl was making an appearance remained in tact before the show.  Personally, I'd rather know ahead of time than find out by watching tomorrow night's episode and be disappointed." - Downzy

I am going to hang in there and reserve judgment, this isn't the world ending, there could be delays due to any number of reasons as to why Axl isn't going on the show now, everyone needs to chill and just hang in there IMO

Let's hope for the best I guess. It could be a diversion to make it a surprise. All I know is Axl's name was on Kimmel's schedule earlier this morning. Wonder if Jarmo has heard anything?

they very well might be doing this to surprise people at the end with a 1 song performance man... I'm telling you!

I hope at least!  ;D

like nothing about Gn'R is mentioned and at the very end they get a 4 minute spot to perform.

I still have faith that everything is going to work itself out fine. :D

Ultimately, what matters is whether or not we get clarification on future plans.  As long as that still happens, I'm not all that concerned with this.

Ali

can't say that sounds promising....I am kinda sick of the bullshit, either get it on or knock the rumors out and say nothing is going to happen.This thing has to be done right because it is too big to play games with. Just my 2.

Has the media reported anything about this? I've seen nothing yet

I never expect anything so that there will never be disappointment. It is a good rule to live by.

with all due respect to cherrygarcia he has been mr. doom n gloom thru all this so pardon me if i don't believe it if it ends up being the case so be it but not taking cherry's word for it or his source link website whatever.

I'm sure everything will work out in the end but I sure hope we find something out tomorrow. The suspense is killing me.

Why would they tell someone who runs a fan site rather than release an official announcement?

However I'm thinking he's not on it.

well axl did say nothing was confirmed.

When I checked Jimmy s site days ago, Axl was not on there. I've never even seen his name on the web site. It's always been short a name, so who knows.

It was on there  early this morning (eastern u.s. Time), for about 12 hours.

Then disappeared, about 4 hours ago.

Appearance cancelled doesn't necessarily mean Axl pulled out.

I hate how jarmo always deletes my threads he has no life.

You made a thread identical to this one...

It's felt like we've been getting somewhat regular trickles of information recently, so this dropping Axls name from the Kimmel listings manages to feel convenient; a bit more buzz before the appearance? After all, I've noticed some people commenting saying how can they keep the attention on it without announcing anything else...

Granted, I am choosing to remain optimistic about this.

Wether or not it happens at all, this is some of the most fun I've had as a fan in ages.

I did, because there was already this thread about the same subject. Thanks for your understanding.

Yeah it could happen next week or next month. But I wouldn?t bet on it

Axl pulled out because he didn't want to get Jimmy pregnant.

Most likely he pulled out because he got intoxicated eating the shitty Taco Bell junk food

It would be a little disheartening if it is true. Even though there never was an official announcement, we are all looking forward to some good GNR news.

Well, sort of. He was listed to appear on Jimmy Kimmel's website.

The schedule for Tuesday night still shows an unfilled slot, so I wouldn't count this out just yet.  What happens if it is an actual last minute cancellation?  Does Kimmel have a longer conversation with the other scheduled guest or do they just pull Regis Philbin out of the back closet to fill in as a sub?  

I listen to the Bill Simmons (he's a sports personality) Podcast every monday with Cousin Sal(who is affiliated with Jimmy Kimmel Live) and Sal always promotes guests on Jimmy Kimmel for the week and there was no mention of Axl. So I'm going with this report being true that the appearance was cancelled.

Any momentum has just dropped lower than whale shit. Planet Rock radio station here in the UK reported his appearance at like 6pm this evening and a few hours later its cancelled?

Here we go again...Nothin' new on the gnr horizon  ::)

Hopefully its just a small fumble, but unfortunately these things only fuel the public's perception that Axl is unreliable.

Yeah the appearance had been reported as official and legit this morning and now it is gone.

Lets relax a little. Just because no announcement is coming tomorrow, doesn't mean there is no announcement at all. We'll find out soon enough one way or the other. Could just be wanting to finalize details of whats to come before making any official announcement.

The whole reunion marketing strategy to this point has been akin to extended foreplay.

Coachella is supposed to announce on Wenesday

Well.... Axl did warn us! The only thing confirmed is his love of Taco Bel ok  :rofl:

Perhaps Coachella producers told Axl that they have exclusive rights to announce before anyone else?  Would have thought this would have been worked out but always a shit show.

Nothing is ever easy.

When will we learn, myself included, that with Guns, nothing ever goes smoothly. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is. Sad  :-\

That said who knows it could be absolutely nothing. Axl has a cold so he's going to do it next week. Or if it was going to be a onscreen reunion, Slash or Duff are ill. If this is what we think it's going to be, it'll be a moment to live on in eternity so they'll want to get it right. When Axl, Slash, Duff and you and me are long gone there'll still be people watching this shit. It'll still be in all the documentaries. Hey, remember rock music? Remember Guns N' Roses?

Just for once, please Axl or TB or whoever, instead of having all your fans tune in and go to bed downcast and pissed off, one tweet if it's still happening. 'See you on Kimmel! It won't be tomorrow but I'll be on there soon'. If that is indeed the case.

Coachella is our official source of information at this point. Unless someone from the GN?R camp wants to make a statement

Maybe this is all part of the strategy. Keep 'em guessing. (?)

Making people who were going to tune in not bother to seems like a pretty lousy strategy.

Very dissapointed. But perhaps should have known better than to get my hopes up. Let's hope Coachella announcement, in one way or another, ends this whole sharade once and for all..

People are probably going to watch anyway, just in case.

Less than would have if they just confirmed him and left it at that instead of farting around.

Its obvious that he was going to be on the show ABC would exploit his appearance in every ways possible to get as much audience they could...i mean...they would be advertising it by one week at least. Why make an appearance like this a suprise?? Cmon people, lets face it he wont be there and maybe never was close to!

Axl is apparently online with his "Dexter" account over at mygnr right now.

That fucking page keeps crashing.

Yeah, it was already kneeling, then Axl apparently entered...

just praying we get Coachella announcement Wednesday

True, he could come here instead

Goddamnit......

What?

That site. I fucking hope axl says sth. And i jeed to sleep so he better hurry

Its back on

oh shit, im excited. something is happening. what is he going to do? nobody knows! the balls in your court ax! what will you do? were rooting for you!

Oh god, I just remembered that I created a hypothetical question thread, and some were trolling it heavily today.  :-\

It's gone again. And it looks like Axl came and went without saying a word. He was no longer in the list of active members when it came back.

Mygnr admins dont know if he really was online. Someone might have made a joke cause the online list was disabled.
. Lets hope

I just looked...no one said that. The mods were confirming he was on....

I spoke with mygnr on fb. Guess we'll have to wait and see

Maybe he came to get an idea of who he wanted in the lineup and saw a lot of people wanted the AFD 5. So now that he read that, GAME ON?!?!?!

its a case of Patience..
Easier written than felt though!  Am bouncing through browsers and sites like wildfire!

can anyone summarize what hes said so far? give some kind of ballpark idea?

I believe this is a false alarm.

Mods said hi, cause they were going off with what everyone else was saying.
I guess someone fucked with us, since there wasnt even an online list.

His lurking will create buzz... and put out the fire of discontent among some fans.

i am inclined to think so as well.

the forum was put into performance mode to save server stress, which disables the "online now" list. i think a member saw that and thought it would be funny to create panic by saying dexter was online, knowing nobody could verify it. if so, mission accomplished.

I notice Jarmo removed his pinned post about Axl's appearance on Kimmel. So is it safe to say it's confirmed Axl isn't coming, then?

This guy/band could fuck up a free lunch...

justtttttttttt give me something on the first full week of 2016666666666666 come on!

So does Axl have a name he goes by on here? Dexter?

Before everyone starts jumping off bridges here lets wait and see what happens. Maybe Axl had every intention of going on Kimmel and something came up and he couldn't do it tomorrow doesn't mean he won't at all. Believe me i get it its frustrating because its few and far between when you get to hear from the man himself but something will come out whether its tomorrow or in the next few days and or weeks.

You're not kidding. Like I said, even if this Kimmel thing is just a hiccup, c'mon Axl/GNR.  Get your shit together this time.

Not confirmed

(http://i.imgur.com/KzZIZ3a.png)

Who cares if he was online or not? Don't get what difference that makes to anything. Someone wake me up when he has something to say. Fucked up that the admin of a fansite are basically eyeballing the profile of a member and Tweeting about it. Axl has as much right to login and check out what's being said as anyone else. Guess Downzy or whoever runs it is just trying to get publicity. Fine, if Axl comes on and gives some news, tweet about that. Telling the world a member of your site may or may not have logged in is just weird, stalkerish and wrong.

At 0:30 (gmt+1) users list was there and Dexter wasn't there (page 59 of the thread) at 0:39 I was reading page 60 and users list was disabled
Here you are a screenshot of 0:30 (http://s3.postimg.org/qom22dtlt/Users.jpg)

Well that's what everyone is freaking about, thinking he would talk. Why else would he log in?

It was a user who said it, not downzy

Well, 1 min ago Htgth posted on facebook that it isnt happening :(

Jarmo has confirmed on twitter. This isn't happening.

and twitter


Jarmo | HTGTH.com ‏@htgth 4m4 minutes ago

The rumored surprise TV appearance, that was never confirmed, isn?t happening.

I know, I'm not talking about the user pointing it out, I'm talking about the admin of a forum posting a public tweet about a user of a private forum. Just strikes me as skeevy.

It was confirmed by ABC at one point. Not that it matters now.

Waddaya want? Its the worlds most dangerous band  ;D

Stop.  ABC put it on their website.  And you were all over it.  It was confirmed.  It doesn't take a guest to confirm their appearance on a show, the show confirms it.

I agree. They wouldn't have put his name up there "hoping" he would come.

it was never confirmed because it was a surprise. Its obvious that something was planned but has fell thru.

Last time he was on the show, they posted it on gunsnroses.com.

This time, the show put his name on their site, until it disappeared.



/jarmo

The forums are very much public.  Any post or login is seen by anyone.  We only tweeted out a message after being bombarded by what was quite likely a mistake posted by a user before we went down.

Anyway I am not here to discuss another site while on Jarmo's.  If you wish to discuss it PM me

On topic, I was hoping to see Axl on Kimmel but I guess plans changed.  Who knows why or what for but something changed.  Look forward to see what is next anyway!

That would be a confirmation anyway

Do you know if the show went ahead and put his name on the site without an actual confirmation from the GnR camp?

Maybe to some. But isn't it weird how the story came out days ago, then it took days for his name to appear, only for it to disappear in a few hours.

Sounds like it wasn't 100% confirmed to me.


Last time he went on the same show, we knew weeks in advance.




/jarmo

Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory once more
 I hope if this is Axl changing his mind for anything other than health reasons that Slash and Duff aren't sitting around thinking "Oh yeah, now I remember why we left. Fuck this, it's not worth it".


ABC's website runners get their show info from ABC's showrunners, talent bookers and legal department. If ABC confirmed it on their website that means it was confirmed with all of the above. That, in any technical sense of the word is a confirmation. That's how every band, artist, actor and comedian who appears on any talk show in America is confirmed.

If we're going by what's confirmed on gunsnroses.com I guess Ashba and Bumblefoot are still in the band. I mean, sorry, we're suddenly supposed to look to that site for confirmation of news? Since when? I've been to Guns N' Roses concerts that were never even mentioned on there!

If i was Jimmy Kimmel i would come out with some comment on twitter or something. whether it was he was supposed to be on but something came up or its been put off to another day or time

Scrolled the tv menu to tomorrow and it says "Musician Axl Rose"
Whatever happened, happens... it WAS in motion in some form

It's mercury retrograde a notorious time for communication mishaps. Had quite a doozy myself at work today.

Yeah but last time was to confirm and promote an already booked residency. Not drop some bombshell like this has been built up to be through the cinema ad and so on. Very different situation. And it all seemed to be going very, very nicely up until tonight.

I don't know man. It's just sad. Felt like this was the moment of triumph. Hopefully it's a bump on the track of whatever we were headed for and not a derailment.

Yup, listed on directv's descriptions now, too. But wasn't earlier. I have a pic if any one wants it posted.

There's no reason to backpedal.  Something happened.  But lets not play games about whats considered confirmed or not. 

Maybe it?s a case of Diarrhea

If Jimmy didn't cancel it, Jimmy doesn't have to be the one to excuse it. If you're a guest in any context and you aren't going to show up you don't expect the host to explain your absence.

I just hope this isn't an indicator of a larger issue,

You posted about it in news section and you started a thread about spoilers. Are you saying now that you knew it wasn?t going to happen?

uma x f?, sempre f?.. sua admira??o e respeito nunca acabar?! mas PQP! tem hr q desejo nunca ter conhecido/ouvido GNR....

I wish I could believe that. But I already told myself that was why CD took so many years to come out. And then why CD2 didn't come out. At some point I've just had to come to terms with the fact that Axl probably hasn't been crapping himself senseless for the last 20 years.  ;)

(sorry, just trying to lighten the mood  :peace: )

No, I thought it was gonna happen until they removed his name from their site. That made me wonder why it was removed.



/jarmo

The answer is simple, nothing has been confirmed about GNR since last July that Ashba and Bumble are gone (and Axl's love for taco bell)

Nothing.

Yet. Me, you and hundreds of others have been wasting valuable time discussing this stuff.

The website has been down for a few weeks though, hasn't it? I realize there are other ways they could have confirmed but still a little weird. I wonder if Axl wanted the appearance to be a surprise and once the cat was out of the bag, it got canceled. Or maybe Coachella wants to make the announcement first, on Wednesday I guess it is now? Nothing is ever easy.  ???

right on cue...nothing ever smooth

I can't wait for this to be the Kimmel show's fault... like the are in the business of putting people on their official guest blog because of a rumor they read on the internet. I have never seen one person/band be the 'victim' in so many misunderstandings in my life.

It's Merck's fault
It's Irving's fault
It's Best Buy's Fault
It's The Venue in Vancouver's fault
It's The Venue in Philly's fault
It's The labels fault
It's Videographer's fault
It's the guitar players fault (pick one)

They either botched the perfect launch of this huge reunion/reformation with ANOTHER 'cancelation/no show' OR they colossally botched the PR and created a nightmare by ignoring all of the rumors.

The Kimmel announcement was going to be bigger for the band than what ever Coachella does to announce their lineup... We obviously already know when the announcement is made and we think we know what they are going to say, but if you ask 100 people tomorrow morning 2 questions a. What time and channel is Jimmy Kimmel on and b. When is the Coachella Festival lineup announced significantly more people will know about Jimmy.

Hopefully we hear something soon. I believe that something was set up for tomorrow, or why else would it be posted here. We'll see what happens. I'm going to take a break from this for a bit. This is almost like the instant replays in the NFL, analyzing every little thing.

I'm pretty sure this whole thing is done.

Well it's you saying it was 'never confirmed' that's rustling feathers isn't it. It was confirmed enough for you to put it on your news page. Know you're trying to have Axl's back or whatever, but it does come off a bit 'why did you think it was happening?' at the fans when in reality you thought it was, I thought it was, ABC thought it was.

I don't recall you ever posting unconfirmed news on your site before and I don't think you did with this. But you can't have it both ways. Either it was confirmed and subsequently cancelled or you've taken to posting unconfirmed news on your well-respected site.

Yes, because apparently,  for 4 months now, neither Axl or Slash or anyone of the current/old lineup never bothered to address/deny the rumours. Was it that hard really? No. So, in the end, fans are at fault for being fed reunion hype? We've been taken for a one long, looong merry go ride..and they are all having a blast out of it.

+1

Well, one thing is for sure: If we don?t see any news tomorrow, we only need to wait for wednesday night to see if the Coachella gig ir confirmed. I?m pretty sure that if GNR headlines Coachella, we will get news from GNR camp till friday about all of this. But if this is bogus, maybe we can get news in 2017, 2018...

There's plenty of times I've posted things that didn't go as everybody thought. :)




/jarmo

Yep....out of the loop today until I checked in and saw this thread.....kinda got that feeling in the stomach again you get when you are flying on the road...great tunes on...feeling indestructible....and then you realize you just blew by a cop hiding behind some trees..............

     After all this shit???  What a huge disappointment.  I just need to hear it out of Axl's mouth.  It's hard to believe anything anymore.  My days are feeling like weeks.  Why is it always a damn game with  "Guns N' Fuckin' Roses"?

That's the silver lining. If it's all gone to bollocks Coachella is big enough and ugly enough to say so (while they desperately scramble for another headliner).

Post of the year. I know it's only Jan. 4, but still.

Well it's definitely dissapointing but it's not a terminal problem IMO
If ever there was a time for a comment/clarification on where we are at with things I'd say now is as good a time as any. That won't happen though.
Just need to sit tight folks.

That's evading the question of whether it was confirmed or not. But I suspect that's because you know there is no question.

We're all well aware that things that are confirmed can be subsequently cancelled. Shockingly as fellow Guns N' Roses fans like yourself this is not unfamiliar to us ;)

Un-fucking-real.  ::)

My guess is you didn't post the follow up tweet and remove the pinned spoiler thread with only 'confirmation' from another message board admin... which means you got a courtesy call (email etc...) from the band/TB. Without specifics did we just hit a speed bump or did we just drive off the cliff like Slash in the Don't Cry video?

But wasn't that always the timeline? Pretty obvious that Tuesday's Kimmel show comes before Wednesday's Coachella announcement. This has the makings of another "something changed".

Yes, predicting a reunion with all going on today  is normal. But we created all this, if Axl is not going to go on Jimmy Kimmel, or the next lineup (if there ever is going to be one) will not include Slash or Duff. We have to blame your disappointment, my excitement (yes, im not interested in a reunion) on our self.


All this speculation is fun, but it might not lead to what we predict, at all, and its not their fault.

Well I'm sorry that for me confirmed also means it would appear on the band's official web site and/or social media.
I know you're desperate to point fingers.

I'm sorry you didn't get your TV moment.




/jarmo

Directv on their tv guide still has it listed as if Axl is going to appear. I am pretty sure there are going to be some disappointed people.

Possibly Coachella wants to make the announcement before GnR ????

I can live without the TV moment. I just wonder about the bigger picture.

Bigger than 60"?





/jarmo

Touche.

I wish I could get on there.  is it down for now?

Mentioned before, but my guess is that Coachella got in the way and didn't want Axl to spoil the "secret" before they get to officially announce it.  I'll further speculate, but if thats the case, these things should have been confirmed in advance of agreeing to be booked on Kimmel.

When all's said and done, we know what's what I think. It was confirmed with ABC. ABC are professionals, I think they know how to run a talkshow. They manage to do so 5 nights a week like clockwork with guests from all walks of showbusiness. Every night. Like clockwork. When Jimmy says 'tomorrow night, Steve Martin!' I tune in tomorrow night and goddamn if it ain't Steve Martin. I check the Kimmel website, or the Conan website or Colbert...Wednesday night, Don Rickles? Don Rickles is still alive?!!! Seriously?!!! No, this can't be possible. I tune in Wednesday night and I'll be a sonofabitch, that is Don Rickles!

Throw into this well oiled machine, a strange outfit known throughout the years as Guns N' Roses....  ::)

Yeah, sarcastic and disappointed. But....hell, if it's happening let's stay positive. Might be illness as I've said on other threads (though why not just say so?). Might be logistics. Might be Thursday, might be next week. Benefit of the doubt, grudgingly given past history, from me until I hear otherwise. The payoff will be worth it. If there is one.

But yeah 'was never confirmed'. Oh yes, it must be unprofessional ABC who don't run their shows and website properly and don't confirm guests and have contracts before announcing them, not typical unpredictable Guns N' Roses. Nah.


Stop posting unconfirmed stories on your website as if they're official news then. Very unprofessional. Quite shocked, I thought you were quite against rumours and gossip. It'd be nice if you could just be a fan once in a while with the rest of us. We're all disappointed and I couldn't give a damn about pointing fingers. Sarcasm aside, if you don't consider something confirmed until Guns/Axl/TB post about it, fine, make that your rule. Except you didn't. You treated this like it was confirmed, and posted it like it was confirmed. Because it was. I know how TV shows work. So do probably a good portion of the people here.

Everyone's disappointed and everyone's hoping this is a temporary blip on the way to something great.

Anyway peace, I can't be bothered arguing. I just don't get why at this stage in the game we need to pussyfoot around 'Guns/Axl cancelled or postponed'. Like it's never happened before.

If Coachella blocked the appearance on one hand I see it, on the other I think it is stupid... They get more publicity for their festival when Axl Rose goes on The Jimmy Kimmel show in front of millions of people and announces the reunion vs. the much smaller audience that is going to live stream their announcement (or however they announce it). I get that it is a big show, but to be honest I couldn't tell you anything about it other than it's in CA and AC/DC did it last year... Knowing the possible GnR news ahead of time is the only reason I am paying attention this year.

It's my fan site, trust me, I have an idea of what I'm doing. After almost 20 years, you get a feel for it. Even though you still occasionally get it wrong. :peace:




/jarmo

Fair enough. I suppose we should all be used to the rule of thumb (look up the etymology of that phrase if you're bored one day and don't already know....yeesh) that in Guns N' Roses land something can be treated as confirmed roughly an hour or two after its happened. Still thought your tweet unfairly implied unprofessionalism on ABC's part, but oh well. Moving on. Guess we'll see what happens when the Nighttrain rolls by.

I'm sorry my tweet insulted your favorite professional TV network, but to me it's a bit odd that they only put the name up today and then removed it hours later.




/jarmo

I don't really get why everyone is busting Jarmo's balls over this.
It's a pretty small point, and one that changes nothing either way. So it might be time to give him a break on this mate.

If there is an announcement on nightrain then hopefully we get some details that explains where we are at on this, until then, let's just lay off Jarmo aye?

Call me crazy, but that to me sounds like a last minute confirmation and subsequent cancellation from Axl more than anything else. And I respect all people who work hard, whether they're at ABC, TB, HTGTH or an OBGYN with SAD listening to POD on their way to rid someone of an STD. It's not about assuming my 'favourite' anything did everything right and everyone else screwed up. Not for me anyway.

Put simply your tweet seems to imply it was ABC's fault and I have no reason to believe that's the case. Also 'silly fans, no one said it was happening'. Well, you pretty much did for one. You're a respected member of this community and as you said a 20 yr veteran. Cut people some slack, you thought it was happening too. I'm sure you felt the same sinking feeling everyone else did. Maybe you know something I don't (to my chagrin, 2 out of my 3 GNR contacts have flown the coop. There goes my backstage pass  :P ) . But just as I'm not going to presume Axl doesn't have good reason for cancelling, I'm not going to presume ABC didn't have confirmation

Taco Bell can do that to a guy.

Yep.  And then we have people that get all bent out of shape about it.

This is why people think what they think and say what they say about him.  People act like its all some urban legend.

Look, I'm upset that he won't be on Kimmel too. Was really looking forward to that. But is NOW really the time to complain about it with what we now know?

I guess if someone doesn't like what Jarmo posted, maybe they should run their site.

The Coachella news is amazing, and the best GNR news in 20 years.

But this was sloppily handled and just plays into the perception many have about him.

You can't think both things?

Hey DX how do you know this was his call. Everyone always assumes what if there is a different media venue they wanted to do maybe someone bigger then Jimmy Kimmel wants first crack at either Axl or the big 3 altogether and Axl says hey wait lets do this instead. But in the end what does it matter.

This band cant...and thats ok. Lets enjoy the tour and hopefully new chapter of GnR with this lineup!

Honestly, not too much.  I don't think the interview was going to be groundbreaking or anything.

The only that might have been of would be if Axl and Slash walked out together, and who knows if that was ever in the plans.

Where is Kurt Loder these days? he always seems to find him lol

Hahahaha.  True.

Axl may have canceled because he wasn't media ready in one way or another at the moment (speculation). But I am pretty sure Kimmel will get him when he is ready, It might be tomorrow, Wednesday, thursday, or Friday... Next Week or a month or two. If the rumors about a semi reunion are true, everyone will want an interview.

All I really care about is the end result. If the headline now reads, "Axl Cancels on Kimmel but Slash is Back", the latter is really all that matters to me.

Ultimately true.

I would love to get a one hour interview with Axl and Kurt Loder right about now.  How great would that be?  I always thought their interviews were great.

I just wish now they were reunited a few months back and playing the super bowl! That would of been amazing, maybe 2017?!?! This is so much fun! Can't wait to be at Coachella!

Axl Rose's appearance on 'Jimmy Kimmel' canceled due to 'unforeseen circumstances'

Said a source with "Jimmy Kimmel Live" who declined to go on the record or elaborate: "Due to unforeseen circumstances, unfortunately Axl is no longer scheduled to be on Kimmel tomorrow."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-axl-rose-jimmy-kimmel-live-canceled-20160104-story.html

Kimmel said tonigh Axl canceled for reason he only knows "but maybe he will be  here tomorrow and he's just trying to keep us guessing I don't know lol"

good, let's begin this thing with a proper let down

similar thing happened 2 year ago when Daft Punk were to appear on Colbert show (Collchella).
They canceled 2 days prior, because their exclusive agreement with MTV to perform the songs there first.

so maybe someone else offered better deal to them... or whatever

Jimmy Fallon is a real fan, right?

And i'll also love to see Axl participate at those fun games Fallon creates  ;D

It is the best thing to do. It's a fun idea, but it is 4.00 in the morning here to watch Kimmel.

We got some news on Coachella, and there is a thread on Adz's hair. It's probably enough for a day

Perhaps the cancelation has to do with questions regarding the GNR lineup,,,Has there been a snafu and a lineup is not in place? Just wondering, not speculating...

Yep. Fallon introduced GNR at the 2002 MTV VMAs too. Don't be surprised if Axl decides to appear on Jimmy Fallon. I wouldn't rule out a Howard Stern appearance - depending on comfort level. That could be more of a Duff appearance due to the question me that'd be asked.

It's unfortunate that we got two shows confirmed on Monday instead of having to wait for Tuesday for Axl to do the same on TV.

Yeah.... I'm being sarcastic.  :hihi:



/jarmo

Of course Kimmel would be fun but if anyone is still disappointed after last night...

I'm sure we'll hear from Axl before too long.

Bingo!!

I mean, we can post-mortem the cancelled show a bit, for fun.

But I don't know how anyone can be "disappointed" at not getting news Tuesday night, and getting it on Monday, instead.

And, hell...it means I get to go to bed at a reasonable hour tonight (though I'm still recording Kimmel all week, just in case).

:)

I wonder if they would go to the Eddie Trunk show. I?d rather see them there than with Kimmel or Fallon. And I think Eddie deserves some exclusive interview or something. After all the guy was right

 ;D

Of course...

I was really excited to see him or "them" on tv tonight doe.

I can't wait to hear from them about how this all came together and how and what they are planning to do other than Coachella.

You would have to agree that while 'we' made it out of Monday in great shape, it probably would have been better for the band from a PR perspective if GnR (Axl or whomever) was on Kimmel tonight talking about this in front of millions of people. There would be video of the appearance all over news and entertainment shows Wednesday and audio would be all over the radio.

Again we made it out of Monday with amazing news, but I hope this is just a postponement for other appearances before April, they are missing great publicity here.

This is just nitpicking though... we are in happy times, I feel like I woke up in 1995 from a bad dream and my favorite musicians are just rolling along ready to conquer the world. This is sort of like how The Force Awakens made me feel like I was 8 years old and it was 1986... My childhood/teenage years just got extended over the course of a few short weeks.

I just can't stop smiling.

Wait, Axl cancels his appearance (sorry, unforeseen circumstances arose) on Kimmel and that means he's going on Fallon and/or Stern?  I don't get the connection.  The Coachella news is fantastic.  This is going to be one hell of a roller coaster ride!

Let's all hope this is the only Axl cancellation.

Good that we got the news early instead of waiting for it on the many lame ass talk shows and host that are on television these days.

Put that way, obviously not.  But is that what people are saying?

Go to any article about Coachella and read the comments.  Not exactly brimming with positivity.  LOT of talk about how Axl is an unreliable douchebag who will ultimately torpedo this whole thing with his antics.

So if people are already conditioned to think that stuff, my god, don't feed into it.

We all want this to succeed, I imagine.  Just give it the best chance.

Comments sections are the garbage can of the internet.  I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to discuss anything where the jumping off point is "read the comments". I'd also add...those folks posting are not very likely to be people who would consider buying a GnR ticket, anyway...and I doubt they are much in the way of opinion influencers. 

As for Axl being unreliable? Sure, 10 years ago or more, maybe.  Recently the guy's been pretty much a model citizen til THIS.  One incident a trend does not make. AND, we got word before the appearance. He didn't just no show....he cancelled.  We don't know why. I mean...honestly..the guy could be sick or whatever. Or Coachella could have decided they needed to publish the lineup early. In other words, a completely legit reason for cancellation.  That's not evidence of being "unreliable"....though I'm sure you'll find people who will bitch in that direction because....people like to bitch.

What we DO know is that we got the information, anyway. And earlier than planned.


Yeah, I don't think it's nearly that big a deal.  If it had been absent the rest of yesterday....maybe.  But not in context.


So far, I think they are.  Even if the Nightrain announcement was a backup plan....it means they HAD a backup plan.  This has been just about as well executed, absent ONE seemingly small hiccup, as anything GnR has done....since...well...actually EVER.

In the context of this band, cancelling one appearance and still managing to execute the announcement, absent any additional public drama..that's a win, baby. And a big one, IMHO.

Agree on that.

Even coordinating all their Twitter accounts to put up the pic at the same time.  It was awesome.

When is that last time we saw anything coordinated, promotion wise?

You are living in a total dream world is you believe people see it this way.

They still think he's late all the time.  Still think he no shows concerts.  Still think he rants like a crazy person and storms offstage.

You can get up on the soapbox until you are blue in the face and try and point to him getting *better* on those fronts the past few years.  But who knows that outside of us?

And if you are going to try and sell stadiums at a few hundred dollars a pop, I got news for you.  You are going to need shitload of casual or even lapsed fans onboard. 

I'd venture to guess that those same people who are complaining about Axl today were complaining about him yesterday, and even if he showed up on Kimmel as scheduled without any drama they'd still complain. He's too fat. He looks horrible. He sounds horrible. He sounds lame. It's not a real reunion. He said nothing. He still won't show up in April. There's no way the tour doesn't implode. He'll be the weak link on the tour. And on and on and on. The world will never join hands in perfect harmony and praise Axl Rose in unison. It's just not happening, regardless of what he does or doesn't do. No need to read the comments section. I already know what they're going to say.

I'd agree. None of my friends are especially into GNR, but WHENEVER they come up in conversation, it's always what a total arsehole Axl is, how he's always late, how he can't sing anymore, how he looks dreadful BLAH BLAH. It even comes up from people who CLAIM to be fans (but obviously aren't.)

Sadly, it's the way he's seen by most people. I think he needs to work hard to dispel that myth.

I don't care what people "believe", honestly.  I can't change false notions in a segment of the population.  It's the truth. He's been reliable recently. And not "recently" as in the past year or two.  Much longer than that.  Not "better",as in middling at it, either. He's been rock solid reliable.  And if recent history isn't going to change their minds, then...showing up on Kimmel wouldn't have, either. They would have continued to say the same thing, and held the same opinion. And NOT showing isn't going to really change that perception either.  You can say it will "reinforce" but....look at the circular logical construct we've just created. Neither action actually has any appreciable effect.

Nothing is going to change certain minds. Nothing.  And they'll only internalize the pieces of info that reinforce that preconceived narrative. And I would also offer...they're not the folks that would buy tickets to a GnR show, anyway. Ultimately, their opinions don't much matter.  Or, in your case (since I know this is a point you've held on to, in the past), you'll find a way to look past it.  Either way, you're not losing sales.

So, ultimately, given that...yup, doesn't much matter in the slightest, especially in context of the day as a whole.  Because whatever "damage" you think was done was just as quickly UNDONE by the announcement last night.  You saw it RIGHT here.  You saw doom and gloom quickly turn to elation at about 8:30 PM EST when the Nightrain post went up...and uber elation about an hour later.

As for the stadium tour worries...I'm not worries.  The actual performance at Coachella will have more of an effect than a cancelled talk show appearance.  Just the SCHEDULING at Coachella will have more of an effect.  This looks, for all the world, like a hiccup on the road....absent anything else....after last night's announcement.

And, on a different note, I'd like to point out one thing: You take issue when folks bag on you for constantly posting "negative" stuff. Complaints or pointing out "problems" or whatever.  And today...on what is probably the biggest news day for GnR in at least 7 years (CD release date)...on a day when most folks are waking up to find pretty much every GnR wish being granted...you are, again, finding something to quibble with.  That's not meant as a knock on you, FYI.  But it's an observation, and something you might want to consider when next that accusation is sent your way.  Because this...this doesn't do a thing to refute it. :)

Bingo.

And my bet? 90% of those folks wouldn't buy a ticket to a GnR show, no matter what.  And the other 10% would buy just so they could have something to bitch about.

And I suspect...no matter what he does, at this point...there are going to be folks who cling to that opinion and narrative, no matter what evidence is out there to prove otherwise.

They've made their minds up.  No matter how hard he works, they will harp on the one time he meets their expectation, rather than the dozens where he doesn't.

Well don't give them ammunition.  Axl's past is well documented, but that's what it was - the past.  Late/cancelled shows, riots, outbursts, etc...we all know that all of that happened many years ago and that the most recent tours have not had any serious issues.  But this?  This happened yesterday, and it obviously added fuel to the fire that history repeats itself.  Bottom line: he is still viewed by many as unreliable, and Kimmel-gate doesn't do much to help him.  Also, if the plan is a stadium tour, you can bet your ass you will need those people to buy tickets.  Sorry, but unfortunately there's not 30,000 members here.

I have posts in all of these other threads about how this is amazing, the best news in 20 years, and even commending the rollout.  No reaction.

This?  Multiple replies.

Perhaps I'm not the only one that sees what he wants to see, hmm?

If his last decade plus of good behavior hasn't changed their minds nothing will.

Stadiums might be ambitious.  Might need to show you can do a reliable arena tour first.

Agreed, for better or worse, the perception of him is carved in stone no matter what he does.  In any case, I don't think it matters.  Fans, be they casual, die-hard, whatever, are buying tickets to see a legendary rock band, not Axl's supposed transformation into a model media citizen.  

Have they even paid attention to that though?  That would be my question.

Obviously not.

Definitely. I think that so many people have this negative view though probably makes a stadium tour a bit ambitious straight away. An arena tour would make much more sense- test the water a bit.

Honestly, that line offers some interesting insight....so your goal is to get replies? Hmmm...

As for why that is: because this is the one point of debate being offered up.

I mean...saying ditto to woo hoo doesn't really accomplish anything.  It doesn't mean the woo hoos aren't valid.  But my point is: You don't see a lot of people looking for something to point out as "wrong" after yesterday.  And I'm not saying you shouldn't do it.

I'm pointing out that...like Axl...there is historical precedent for people feeling the way they do.  You might think that impression is unfair.  But, here you are "reenforcing" it.

There is an ironic parallel in this discussion topic.  

And I honestly don't think they have trouble selling out a 15,000-20,000 seat arena in most major cities.

Honestly not sure how much they fill a 40-50,000 seat stadium.

And who's fault is that?  Certainly not Axls.

I claimed for years that a reunion wouldn't be as big as some made it out to be. I know there's a lot of hatred for Axl. Some would refuse to spend any money on him under any circumstance. The events of yesterday did nothing to change that. And I firmly believe if he showed up on Kimmel and knocked it out of the park it would have made no difference in the minds of those same people.

Now, I may well be wrong about this "reunion" not being huge. I may have underestimated all these years. We will see.

Well, he's going to need a lot of people to take a leap of faith on him at those prices.

So, it sort of is his problem.  Not that he can help what people think, but he does need to recognize its reality.

It was a canceled appearance, cancelled well before the actual time he was supposed to be there.  And then publicized in advance, too.  This was not Philly part deux.

And it was quickly followed by the announcment we were supposed to get, you'd think, a few hours later.  Which really sort of minimizes the talk of "unreliable", since the ultimate output still got out there.

If it added fuel, in most reasonable people's brains, it added a tiny little twig that'll burn for about 10 seconds....and was quickly put out by the news from about 7 hours later.  In certain people's minds....I'm sure it will be a point to bitch and further rag on the guy.  But, you know, they were ragging before, and are LOOKING for further fuel to rag into the future.


Bottom line: Nothing is likely going to change that opinion in certain people.  Does it help him? Maybe not.  But nor do I think it really hurts him, at all, in context.

And no...you don't need "those people" to buy tickets.  You need PEOPLE to buy tickets.  Saying you need "those people" is akin to saying you have to appear to Katy Perry's fanbase, because "those people" have to buy tickets.

"Those people" bitching aren't necessarily GnR fans, under any circumstances.

I agree with anyone who says this reunion wont have THAT much impact. GNR is out of the mainstream for many years. They will pack arenas in the US/Europe and Stadiums in South America.
Thats fair enough...lets celebrate!  :beer:

He's done multiple arena tours, home and abroad, where he's been reliable.

Why does he need to do another? 

If they didn't pay attention then, why think they'll pay attention now, and THEN change their opinion? 

And now, someone will chime in and say "Because Slash and Duff".  Yeah, no. 

Those folks are going to cling to the notion that Axl isn't reliable, and that any ticket purchase is a risk, no matter what he does. Another arena tour isn't going to help him on that front, I don't think.

Whoever is in charge of setting up whatever this supposed tour turns out to be must have done their homework, don't you think? I agree that stadiums seem ambitious, but I'm not in the business of planning tours for major music acts, are you? There are others that think they'll have absolutely no problem selling tickets. Some even claiming they don't even need an opener. I would think there would have been very careful planning into all of this. I would hope at least they know what they're doing and what they're getting themselves into. And I don't think a canceled Kimmel appearance is going to cause everything to come crashing to the ground. But what do I know?

A lot will depend on where those shows are, and who their support is.  In NYC, LA, and Miami...they will sell out. Easy.

In a lot of other markets? They'd do 30 to 40k (and those stadiums are largely 60 to 70k) easy, I think.  And that might be enough to make a tidy sum.  AC/DC didn't sell out every stadium they played, either...but they sure as shit made money.

The goal doesn't have to be "sell outs".

I said in a thread last week that while stadiums seem ambitious to me, they must obviously have internal research that shows its feasible and will make money.

They aren't going to book stadiums on a hunch.

No, see...that's the notion I reject.  That he' needs a lot of the people who specifically think he's unreliable, that he's an asshole, that he's...whatever....to take a leap of faith with him.  That he needs a lot of people from THAT specific population.

He needs a lot of people to "take a leap of faith with him" (though, again, I'm not sure that's much of a leap of faith, by classic definitions). I can tell you, anecdotally, that my FB page and twitter accounts have lit up with friends and aquaintances who do NOT TALK ABOUT GnR regularly...who are all looking to make plans to see them play.  I think you're giving too much consideration to a small, vocal, subset of people.  And that small, vocal subset are, IMHO, unlikely to buy tickets under any circumstances.

I meant it more from a ticket sales point of view really- agree with your points.

Thing is, last time GNR toured, in the UK, the dates struggled. Free tickets were available for all shows, in quite large numbers, and big areas of the arenas were cordoned off. I honestly believe this was a lot to do with the attitude people have towards Axl- which, as you say, and I agree, probably won't change straight away.

Will the inclusion of Slash and Duff make a big enough impact on this dislike to sell the amount of tickets needed to fill stadiums? I honestly have no idea. I have no idea if people outside of this forum want to pay to see it. I know my friends don't, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything at all.

Yeah, I have my anecdotal examples too.

But me and my 5-6 buddies aren't going to sell out Lincoln Financial Field here.

I guess I'm looking more big picture than you are, perhaps.  

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jimmy-kimmel-pokes-fun-at-axl-rose-for-canceling-talk-show-appearance/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jimmy-kimmel-pokes-fun-at-axl-rose-for-canceling-talk-show-appearance/)

Jimmy mentioned Axl on last night show.

No, in actuality I think you are looking way too "small picture".  You're considering that those folks who slag on axl are the majority, or even a very large minority, of the potential ticket buyers for this tour.

I don't think that's true.  Especially not this time around.  And everything I'm seeing, anecdotally and informationally, tells me that.  I'm seeing multiple 40 year old moms asking me to let them know when tickets go on sale.  I'm getting dms from guys I went to HS with...the folks I went to the Foxboro Faith No more/Metallica/Gnr show....when we're going to get tickets to see this one.

I think the ticket buying pool of folks just increased by such a large factor that, in fact, you can afford to completely ignore the population you're talking about and be 100% OK.  That's "big picture".

"Small picture" is thinking Axl not doing Kimmel tonight had much of any effect on that pool of people.  

You're asking the right person.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Yes, we got the Coachella announcement via Nightrain, but, IMO the Kimmel appearance was supposed to be more.  I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.  I think with Kimmel we were going to get the what (Coachella), the who (Slash, Duff, etc.), and the where (North American tour, European tour, etc.).  With Nightrain, we got the what.  To me, that means that the "who" and the "where" are still being ironed out...and that's why he canceled Kimmel. 

I would also quibble that one day before is not "well in advance" but that would just be me being picky, and dammit, I'm going to be positive today.    :hihi:

Obviously, that's speculation on both reason and on content, for Kimmel.  It's easily as likely it was something else (both in terms of content, and reason for the cancel), too.  Esp given Slash and Duffs responses last night. I know, from other posts, that's not "enough" for you, but I think it's pretty telling, and its certainly enough for me.  AND, apparently, there's more news coming today on Nightrain, so..the day is young.  You may still end up with what you were expecting, before the time you were expecting to get it.

Ultimately, the point remains, though: We got news early, and in pretty good quantity, in place of the cancellation.  It might not be everything you wanted, but...there's no gaurantee the Kimmel appearance would have been, either.


Depending on "why", I think roughly 30 hours prior to an appearance is "well in advance". It is considered so for OTHER celebrity appearances, etc.  It's certainly not last minute...and it's not a "no show".  I mean, Kimmel even had time to address it on his show LAST NIGHT, so they certainly got in front of it "enough" for there to be forewarning.

I still hold out slim hope this is a Jimmy prank and they show up tonight.

But I think that's a pretty long shot.

The way I see it, the end result is what matters.

There were going to be certain questions asked by Kimmel, and certain answers provided.

So long as we get those answers one way or another, I'm satisfied.

Ali

How incredible would that be?  I think it would go a long way to quelling the perception of unreliability.  Will it solve it completely?  Of course not.  You're always going to have some people that bag on Axl regardless of what happens...but it would be a great way to calm everyone down (why are you so angry D-X?  ;D) and emphatically state that we're back.  Seeing Axl and Slash on camera together will work wonders to right the wrongs (real or perceived).  That would be so bad ass!

Also...I saw a KROQ/Goldenvoice Press Release somewhere...having a hard time finding it..that confirmed the line up.  I thought I saw it in another thread, here...I'll try to see if I can find it again and will edit this post with it if I do.

Edit: I think this is it:

KROQ and Goldenvoice are proud to present Coachella 2016!

Once again this year?s festival will be taking place two weekends in April, the 15th-17th and 22nd-24th, at the Empire Polo Club in Indio.

The lineup includes the previously-speculated reunion of Guns N? Roses with original members Axl Rose, Slash, and bassist Duff McKagan, as well as the return of LCD Soundsystem. Other notable KROQ artists on the bill include Of Monsters And Men, Foals, Halsey, James Bay, Rancid, M83, and more.

Dance music will be represented by power houses like Calvin Harris, Jack ?, Disclosure, and Major Lazer.

Tickets go on sale Wednesday at 11am via Coachella.com.

Edit 2: I now see that this has been edited at the source...so either they jumped the gun (no pun intended), or they were asked to change it. Here's how it reads, now:

KROQ and Goldenvoice are proud to present Coachella 2016!

Once again this year?s festival will be taking place two weekends in April, the 15th-17th and 22nd-24th, at the Empire Polo Club in Indio.

The lineup includes the previously-speculated reunion of Guns N? Roses. While the band members haven?t been confirmed, it has been heavily rumored that Axl Rose and Slash will share the stage for the first time in nearly two decades: Slash quit Guns N Roses in 1996. James Murphy and LCD Soundsystem will also be performing their first show since 2011. Other notable KROQ artists on the bill include Of Monsters And Men, Foals, Halsey, James Bay, Rancid, M83, BORNS, CHVRCHES, Silversun Pickups, The 1975, Cold War Kids, and more.

Dance music will be represented by power houses like Calvin Harris, Jack ?, Disclosure, and Major Lazer.

Tickets go on sale Wednesday at 11am via Coachella.com.

Jarmo, do you think for sure that there is 0% chance that Axl shows up at Kimmel tonight?

What sucks is... I am going to stay up late and watch it no matter how many people say he;s not going on tonight!

Hell yeah.  Me too.

If anyone could/would pull a prank like this, it would be Jimmy Kimmel.

Maybe it really was supposed to be a surprise, and they're just feeding in to the "no show" rep to build even more hype.

Hmm...I'll be watching, that's for sure...

Welcome to the new Guns N? Roses era, ladies and gentlemen! And we?ll start off in a very, really very unusual and surprising way this time.


Wait for it.............................




Aaaaand Axl is a no-show!!!!!


I guess some things never change, whoa, never change... :D

Cut it out just anytime- here, I'll quote from Pilferk:

It was a canceled appearance, cancelled well before the actual time he was supposed to be there.  And then publicized in advance, too. 

Well somebody better watch Kimmel tonight, maybe axl?s just screwing with us and will be there. Maybe Slash and Duff will be there too

I would absolutely love that if that were true.  Always a fan of self deprecating humor.

In a weird way, you could even spin it as a sign he's matured.  As in, he knows people have those sorts of doubts about his reliability.  But he's just showing them that he is not blind to that, but can assure them all will be well.

well i just go to sleep and will read it on here if he showed up or not :)

I doubt this would be a planned prank. If anything maybe Axl was on the fence about making the appearance and never officially said he'd do it. That's what I take from his use of the word "confirm" in his last two tweets. Now apparently there was some sort of agreement at some point, enough for them to list Axl as a guest for at least a few hours. Who knows what really happened. And at this point, I'm not sure it matters all that much. I'll still tune in tonight, but I'm not expecting to see Axl.

You still think he's going on a talk show to announce what was already announced and is public knowledge by now?

 ???


/jarmo

So you think everything starts and stops with Coachella?  Can't think of anything else Axl might have to discuss???  ???

You sound like some kid waiting around for the Great Pumpkin on Halloween........    :hihi:

Only reason to go on now is perform.  And maybe that's what's Frank's "secret mission" is.

But as others have speculated, part of their price negotiated with the Coachella people might entail that being their first public performance.  So it might not even be possible.

I know, I know, I was just joking around. This is, however, how a number of people might see it. Anyways, to hell with them. I?m so excited these days, it?s all so incredible!

I suspect the reunion and Coachella would've the main points.

I guess current events could've been another discussion (like in 2012).




/jarmo

I think that you are very well aware that even if Axl shows up in the stupid talk show the people won't be happy... AGAIN...  ;D

Likely not.  But would be cool if some surprise was going down and he still shows up, perhaps with some friends.  But that's just my fantasy, and doesn't have much to to do with what may or may not be reality.  We'll soon see...

It would have been nice to get some of the hows and whys of all this on Kimmel, plus it would have been a good platform to announce plans for new music (if that's planned) and any post-Coachella concerts for this year.  But I think we'll get all that soon enough.

I was confident Axl was still going to come on JKL, however they have another guest booked now in place of Axl.

Shit happens, something came up. Who knows. Maybe they wanted to announce a tour beyond Coachella but can't just yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see this rebooked in a month.

Exactly. I think people expect a little too much from these interviews. The Coachella announcement probably would have been made. And I was holding out hope that he'd announce Slash was back and he'd join him at the couch. Now don't get me wrong. That would have been AWESOME! But who knows if that was really in the cards, or if that was just my fanboy dream. I'm not sure he would have announced the full lineup. Even though guys have alluded to their involvement through social media, they may leave that little bit of mystery until they hit the stage for the first time. And I highly doubt he was going to announce a full 25 stadium tour itinerary full with opening bands and everything. Confirmation of new songs? All that would have been nice. But these late night show interviews are light hearted. They're not exactly meant to get to the bottom of things and clear up life's mysteries.

Again, I would have loved to have seen it. But the news we got yesterday far outweighs any disappointment that I briefly felt last night. It's not even close. I look forward to whatever is to come. This cancellation is merely a blip on the radar screen. It's time to move on.

http://abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/news/schedule/jkl-schedule-for-01042016

That's kind of how PR works... Most normal entertainers don't just announce something once from a paid fan club.

Look at Star Wars, do you really think it wasn't public knowledge when Harrison Ford made multiple talk show appearances? How about your average pop star that will do Kimmel, Fallon, and Colbert all to promote something.

It became public knowledge for people who were looking for it and knew it was coming. Had Kimmel happened tonight (on ABC) it would have been on Good Morning America Wednesday morning, and would have been plastered on their Web Properties. TMZ would have played clips from it, and had video of him leaving and getting in his car etc...

INSTEAD, I have seen more reports, and heard from coworkers about the Kimmel Cancelation being 'typical Axl' than I have about Coachella and when Coachella is brought up today at work it is typically in regards to Kimmel with a 'I'll believe it when I see them show up, he couldn't even do an interview".

Why chase away good press and momentum? Even if Axl wants to shy away from the PR dog and pony show, fine, let Slash do it.

It looks the same to me, was something changed?

They filled Axl's slot with Jon Favreau.  I guess Regis was busy. 

Open spot on Thursday...whisful thinking...but...stranger things happened  :peace:

New guest for tonight with Natalie (Jon Favreau) and open slot on Thurs.

If I'm Favreau I come out dressed as Axl...

Yeah: Axl Rose goes on JKL and confirms what we already knew.

Either way, the news got out. Check your social media and news outlets.... :)




/jarmo

There will be other opportunities I would think. I wouldn't let one cancellation bring down the excitement level. If he showed up tonight people would still have their doubts about the whole situation. Maybe he'll reschedule. Maybe he'll go somewhere else to talk. Maybe Slash or Duff will help out on the promotional side of things. Maybe they plan to be as mysterious as they can be. Who really knows. I do know that life goes on and doesn't end tonight when Axl doesn't show up on Kimmel. We've got 3+ months before they take the stage. A lot can still happen.

Ah ok.

This was my point too.

But I was told it was no problem...because internet comments.  Or something.

I get it... it's out there, but so is the same old story... he canceled, no showed or was late to something. This just looked like a clean slate and for whatever reason (we may never know) it was canceled. The first thing tied to this reunion was a miscommunication of some kind.

Dude, did you really just compare Axl to Harrison Ford? For one thing I agree with you though. It's typical Axl. It's typical rock n' fuckin' roll. One of the last ones there, actually.

As happy as I am, and as easily as it *can be* remedied, I agree that cancelling a high profile interview on the heels of this news is proooobably not the best way to build faith in things going well from here.

Lots of "or something" mixed in there,too.  In fact, mostly "or something".

I'm just not going to rehash it again. 

That story has been out there for years. Nothing changed no matter how many tours went well without any incidents.
So the same people keep repeating it.




/jarmo

All I'm saying is, we got some GREAT news last night. If you want to focus on Axl not being on Kimmel, that's your right. Anyone who was excited for this tour to happen will probably still be excited once/if it's announced. If people were on the fence and view him canceling Kimmel as a bad sign, that's a valid concern. But again, things don't begin and end with who is or isn't on Kimmel tonight. Let's see how this all plays out.

Really?

Because most of what I've heard...in articles, from twitter, from facebook, from instragram....basically from everywhere (with the exception of here, and the comments section) has pretty much glossed over OR totally ignored the Kimmel no show.

I can't tell you which of us experience is "more true", but, all things considered, I'd suggest (as I have, previously) that the overall effect of the cancellation is pretty much nil.

Personally, I would rather Axl lay low until the first gig back.

No, I compared a huge reunion after 20 years of downtime (with some public knowledge of said reunion) to a movie franchise that hasn't created a good product since the 80's (which is also publicly known about from a PR standpoint)... If anything in this world ever, was going to be successful on rumor and speculation alone it was this Star Wars movie. It would have done 1billion in the theaters with out a single interview, Dodge car/truck commercial, or action figure. BUT they marketed the f**k out of it. In comparison we should just be happy that a huge reunion is being trickled out though a fan club with a $10 membership fee and a free belt buckle. Will it be enough to pack stadiums, probably... BUT why not scream this from the rafters. In the early 1990's you couldn't avoid GnR if you wanted to. Maybe the Kimmel thing gets postponed, maybe it is a different major forum used to promote it in the near future, but it doesn't help that there was a slip up in the early going... and no one is giving him brownie points for being 'the last true rock star' and being flaky...

I keep saying the same thing.

The folks harping on the Kimmel no show were the folks who harp on Axl, constantly, anyway.

The Kimmel no show did not, in and of itself, newly mint that mindset in a single person, I'd bet.

And there are literally 5 years or so of "new evidence" that he's been reliable....that will get soundly ignored by those folks, too.

So, really...it's a zero sum effect.

Does it help? No.

Does it hurt? No.

And, as I said in another thread, you could post this stuff on my personal blog and it would get disseminated so...no...I have no issue with them announcing it on the fan club forums first, and letting word of mouth (and social media) do the heavy lifting.

Actually, I think it's quite brilliant, in terms of a marketing strategy.  And, so far, seems to be working pretty well.  When it's not, then we can talk about what would work "better".

Literally the first handful of people I talked to when I walked into EMC this morning asked me about Kimmel and had no idea about the other internet related news. Depending on who you follow on twitter and instagram you get a different look at things. Sure my feed is filled with GnR related info because I tend to follow all of the band members and members of their other projects along with rock writers and bloggers.

Do a Twitter search for Axl Rose... you will see nothing but Kimmel, in fact it is going to try to correct you and autofil as "Axl Rose Jimmy Kimmel" because that is apparently a pretty popular keyword search today.

I get it, everything will be find in the end, but I just wonder why nothing can go smoothly or like every other band in the world operates.

Edit: I'm done now... no need to beat a dead horse, I'll just be happy and wait for the wonderful bounty Fernando and TB are bringing us. We as a fan base do really owe a lot to them based on how the previous 2/2.5 management firms handled things. Fernando told us we would get news, we got it, and it's amazing.

"Because there is no band like Guns N' Roses"

Agreed.

Best news in 20 years.  Best promotional strategy in 20 years.  Biggest excitement in 20 years.

It really has been a giddy feeling this past few weeks.  It's awesome.

Fair enough for your point of view. However, I can tell you that the world is exploding. I said it before the confirmation in another thread and I was indeed hoping that this time it would be true. Guess what, it is. Just enjoy the moment. Personally this is what I am doing. I can assure you that all my friends, most of them don't even care about Guns N'Roses, messaged me regarding the reunion, let alone what's going on in social medias and press. I really don't give a shit about the interview. Still, I live in Europe, I don't know how it is in the States but once again, I can tell you the world is freaking out from what's happening, even though most probably, Axl won't pop up tonight.

That said, I have never imagined when I started listening to rock n'roll and was addicted to this particular band that all should be set up and all should be written in a book and followed precisely. This is not what this kind of music is about. At least my point of view.  :peace:  

Dominic Monaghan added on Thursday's show.

Yep yep.

Question:  Did those same EMC folks consistently ask about, or notice, Axl's general dependability over the past 6+ years or so? No?  And, before today....what would you say their general attitude toward GnR and Axl, specifically, was?

On the search front: For Axl Rose (because, lets face it, if you're going to target Axl Rose Jimmy Kimmel, I mean...you're not actually looking at any sort of homogonized search return...of course you're going to get the cancellation news because that's the only way they've been related most recently), if I look at top results, indeed, I see lots of Kimmel.  Most of it between 12 and 15 hours old.  If I look at recent...well, of the 50 most recent tweets, I see 3 about Kimmel. And one calling Axl a piece of shit.  The rest? All about the GnR reunion and Coachella. And it all reads pretty positive.

And in the "top" results, I should add...a lot of them are just links to articles mentioning that he cancelled.  They're not hostile in any way. They're not from actual PEOPLE.

However, it's funny...when I search "Guns n Roses".....all of that pretty much disappears (I found one...from 60 min ago, from a UK news source), both from top and most recent. Odd, that, eh?

If you think this is more than a blip on the radar, that everyone will completely forget about (except those already prone to ragging on Axl, that is), if they even internalize it at all....I simply disagree.  For all the reasons I've mentioned when talking to DX about the same topic.

ITS A RUSE!! ITS REALLY A DRIVESHAFT REUNION!! WE ALL EVERYBODY!! ;)

Seriously, though, I'm watching that one.  He was SOOOO good on Lost.  I know he's working in a game (Quantum Break) right now.  Be interesting to see what else he's working on.

edit: Yeah, I said Quantum Leap. What can I say...I like Scott Bakkula.

any chance axl still appears on tv tonight?

like any surprise thing?

No.

Seems unlikely.

But no way I can't watch anyway.  Never forgive myself if he turned up.

Yeah I'll tune in. I'm still holding out that the band featured isn't really going to be there, and gnr will be there to do 1 song and a quick interview at the end...

that would be amazing.

more than likely its just all cancelled and it sucks lol