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When asked on twitter how many shows he'd be attending, see response below.

https://twitter.com/davekushner66

Dave Kushner ‏@davekushner66  20m20 minutes ago

"maybe ALL of them! @gunsnroses #GunsNRosesReunion"

Makes alot of sense when ya think about it considering Izzy's general disinterest in commitment.

Slash, Axl, Duff, Dave, Dizzy, Richard, Frank and Chris.

That's a pretty cool lineup.

All speculation of course. ;)

Not going to lie, I thought about Dave as an option. Axl usually let Slash pick the band members to play with since he had to have the chemistry.

Seems unlikely I think. I don't know anything of course, but I think Richard is a better bet.

Maybe Dave is just excited about it. :)

3 guitars.

Slash, Dave and Richard.

Like I said, speculation.

I hope not.

Would at least give us all something new to fight over

Assuming Richard is in and assuming Izzy just may not want to do it, Dave would be perfect.

It's basically two known rhythm guitarists though.

Not sure if that's needed.

I don't think so... I think he meant he'll be there as part of the audience. ;)

Otherwise it would be too much VR for Axl no?

Ideally Izzy is in, but assuming he's not, I don't see the harm in a Fortus/Kushner lineup - it makes enough sense.

Would not rule that out

I say no. Dave has never been in GNR.

Why not?

Axl gets his 3 guitar line up and Slash get's a guy he's comfortable playing with.

Makes a helluva lot of sense.

It sure as hell won't be Paul Huge. ;D

Again - speculation.

I like Dave. Seems like a cool dude. But why not Gilby at that point?

He just tweeted "...or maybe none! One can only hope" to the same question.

Not sure if he's talking about attending.

Falcon that would be a VR reunion with out Scott but insert Axl?  Maybe Slash feels bad for Dave since VR is over.

Nope, just a cool old/new version of GNR.

It makes no difference to me who's in beyond Slash and Axl really, those are the 2 that'll put asses in the seats.

Add Sorum and its not a GNR reunion its a Velvet Revolver reunion. :hihi:

Would be a very cool lineup.

Ali

I don't see the need for a 3rd guitar, and if Izzy is out (other than guest spots here and there) I am am hoping for Richard... He is really the one member of the CD era lineup that I really sort of 'fell in love with' for lack of a better description...

I don't either, especially with Dizzy and Chris but that's the way it's been for along time now with Axl and if this "reunion" is gonna fly, compromises will be made.

Like I said above, it's all about Slash and Axl sharing a stage again, whoever else fills out the lineup are footnotes.

I'd love to see a fusion of Axl's guys (Fortus and Frank deserve some love for their loyalty) and Slash/Duff's guys (aka Dave). The Beach Boys did something like this in their 2012 reunion with the Brian Wilson and Mike Love factions of the band and it really made for cool mix and a unique party atmosphere. Quite frankly, it made it more amendable for those involved. For those who say it would add to the bloat on stage, have you ever been to a Rolling Stones concert in the last 30 years?

I really think he meant that he would love to be there each night as a fan.

I havnt heard anything about this guy in years...

Next thing Paul Tobias will be, tweeting something hahaha

I drew a total blank when I first saw this thread.

He's become quite the mogul, composing for TV (Sons of Anarchy theme included) - a helluva nice out of the spotlight resume since VR.

GNR's been bloated since the UYI Tour, nothing new here...

who yanked Falcon's chain?....hell, just bring in Steve Jones as a 4th guitarist. ;D

or Billy Duffy!

Kushner's tweet tugged the chain!


Heresy!

BD's got his own Cult following! :D

I think a combo of Slash and Richard Fortus would be pretty damn epic and perfect if you ask me. Richard decimates everything he does. Such a pleasure to see him play. I think he would compliment Slash way better than Kushner.

Again, have Kushner in addition to Fortus, not instead of.

And...

Kushner has already complimented Slash, Who knows how Fortus would compliment Slash...

I'm pretty indifferent.  He was always the "Oh yeah, and him" guy in VR - I can't see that his presence or absence in Guns N' Roses would make anything better or worse. 

Same can be said for anyone less Slash and Axl (Duff to a degree).

I don't think anyone really gives a damn who's banging the kit, playing keys or synth either as long as the Top Hat and Redhead are on stage together.

I wouldn't assume Izzy is out at all, would be a really fun way to make a ton of cash. We'll see. If not him, I see Fortus.

The Independent mentions Matt Sorum on drums. The paper was one of our broadsheets until a while ago. It used to have great horse racing tips  :hihi:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/guns-n-roses-reunion-tour-2016-slash-and-axl-rose-to-play-coachella-and-world-stadium-gigs-a6790256.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/guns-n-roses-reunion-tour-2016-slash-and-axl-rose-to-play-coachella-and-world-stadium-gigs-a6790256.html)

I'd prefer Sorum of Frank F if and only if we could put a muzzle in Sorum's mouth for the entire duration of this happening

Dave has zero connection to GNR other than playing in an unrelated band with a couple ex-gunners. That does not make him a candidate at all. Sorry. I know people liked VR and that includes him. Dave would add zero value to a reunited GNR.

I think it can be safely said that there's a "type" when it comes to GnR rhythm...Gilby and Richard both fit the Izzy vibe in many ways, whereas Dave does not.  I agree with the others who think Dave's comment meant he'd be attending as a fan...

Soemone suggested Traci Guns...if not Izzy I'd go prefer Richard Fortus or Gilby Clark.

Again, if it remains a 3 guitar lineup.

Slash, Richard and ?

no 3 guitar shit.

Slash with Richard or bring back Gilby, let Izzy show up when he feels like it and play.

Agreed! You don't need more then lead and rhythm guitar.

I'm not a fan of 3 guitar lineups either, Slash and whomever is plenty.

But..

Axl has had 3 guitars for quite sometime so like I said originally - all speculation on my part.

Hell, I wish they'd go five on the floor AFD style but that's not happening.

As long as it's Slash and Axl on the stage, I really don't care who fills out the rest of the lineup.

 Fuckin' Dave Kushner

For me, Duff has to be there, too.  But the time I got out to the UYI shows, Izzy and Steven were gone, so Duff is integral to the lineup for me.  Matt, Dizzy, etc. were there, too.  Steven and Izzy - even random appearances - would be truly unreal to see.

Speaking of, Steven has been insanely quiet...

I think 3 guitar was for Chinese stuff. Ron was really to do buckets crazy shred shit.
Won't be needed now.

It wouldn't make much sense for Kushner to be involved.

Richard or Izzy, or both.     Richard is still in the band as far as we know.   
 
Happy New Year GNR Fans!  Exciting times!
 :peace:

http://www.alternativenation.net/guns-n-roses-reunion-rumored-to-feature-8-members/

"Mitch Lafon is reporting that the Guns N? Roses reunion lineup will feature Axl Rose, Slash, Duff McKagan, Dave Kushner, Richard Fortus, Frank Ferrer, Dizzy Reed, and Chris Pitman. Kushner, Velvet Revolver?s rhythm guitarist, is a new name that hadn?t previously been linked to any Guns N? Roses 2016 rumors. Kushner teased the possibility of joining the band a few days ago, but most of his tweets seemed fairly light hearted."

I just cant understand this kind of thoughts. You basically want a nostalgic circus, why in the world would GNR bring back Gilby? What good things can bring Izzy if just appearing from time to time? Am I the only one worried about the musical horizons of the band?

Sadly i think many people here would  prefer if appetite lineup would play the 45 minute MTV Ritz show, and thats it.

If you are really worried about he "musical horizon" of the people, who brought the greatest songs in the world, then youre just a mental case.

oh really? Please, point me to the direction of the songs written by Gilby Clarke. I want to check with my own ears if they're ''the greatest songs in the world''...

I wasnt talking about gilby. But about izzy for example. Or slash...who, how you pointed out, you dont want back in guns

I could see Dave in the band as a compromise between Axl and Slash. Axl would get to keep a member from the current line-up and Slash would have someone he's comfortable playing with. Let's not forget that the rhythm guitar issue was one of the biggest sources of tension back in the day...

I don't know, but it seems that from all we've heard so far that Izzy and Steven will be playing a very small part in this reunion.

If i may use iron maiden as an example when bruce dickinson and adrian left they bring in blaze and janick. then in 2000 when bruce and adrian came back to the band instead of canning janick they kept him and made it a 3 guitar band. I think it works really well and if thats the direction going forward GNR goes why should we hate on it what if this is guns n roses going forward Slash, Richard and Dave on guitars whos to say it can't work. stop dwelling on just the old AFD 5 and join us in the year 2016 its not 1987 if this were to be the lineup going forward best get on the train now or get the F off now. thats just my opinion

I may be wrong, but I don't think Axl needs to compromise with Slash, or anyone.  I think Slash wanted a reunion more so than Axl and would agree to almost anything.  If Dave is in, it's probably because Axl likes him, or thinks it will work.  Not because Slash was demanding anything.

Dave being in the band doesn't make any fucking sense.  I'm not  strongly opposed to it, but it would be a little strange.  Slash and Richard with Izzy showing up whenever he feels like it makes the most sense to me.  Axl, Slash, Duff, Richard, Frank, Dizzy and Chris with Izzy, Gilby or Matt showin up from time to time is what I'm guessing will happen.  It is also just my best guess.  I imagine Steven could show up from time to time but I think that lasts 5 minutes before he does/says something dumb and pisses off everyone else involved.

Like I said I'm not strongly opposed to Dave being in it, more indifferent towards it.  He would be the only guy involved who was never in Guns N Roses.  If Slash is looking for someone he is comfortable with as some of you suggested wouldnt a guy like Gilby make more sense?  You know a guy who was actually in the band for 3 years and played these songs with this band in stadiums all over the world?

This is also assuming Izzy wants nothing to do with committing to a lengthy tour which seems to be the popular belief.

I wouldn't say many people HERE, but I think many causal fans who have come out of the woodwork the last week would.  I think that is a more accurate statement.

Agreed. Nothing against him, but Kushner would make very little sense to me. It certainly wouldn't kill my excitement in the least, but he'd honestly be the "which one of these doesn't belong?" type.

True but i am sure there are those who feel Richard doesn't belong either. I have very little doubt this was some kind of compromise between Axl and Slash. If this is what it takes to get Axl, Slash and Duff back on stage together so be it.

Dude, Richard has been in the band for 14 years!

Oh i realize that and have no issues with him staying myself but there are those i'm sure that still wish it were Izzy coming back in instead of Richard or Dave.

Richard doesn't belong? ha! that's laughable. He's been in the band longer that Slash was even in the band. Also, he's one badass guitar player and quite frankly the best in the New Guns era in my opinion.

Nothing against Kushner. I'm sure he's a nice guy and plays well, but joining GNR for their reunion is just plain weird to me.

Pink Floyd Reunion... with Mike Portnoy on Drums.

Completely agree but there's gotta be people out there who want only the AFD 5.

I have never read or heard anyone really say they don't want Richard in the band

Sure people would love Izzy in the band.   Sure

Nobody has anything bad to say about Richard

Who is this Dave guy again?

personally...I'd like AFD 5 + dizzy

Dave Kushner. He was in VR.

No doubt about Dizzy. He's the only one that stuck by Axl through thick and thin. He'll be there until the very end imo.

I agree too. I think reunion should be reserved for actual band members. I think it should be the 5. But 2 can't really be a part of it. One doesn't want to be in it 100% of the time, and the other would probably go back to old habits after the first show and then the tour is over.

So that makes it a reunion of 3 and other members of Guns from different times.

Yeah the best we can hope for i think with the other two is maybe a song or two here and there.

Still doesn't ring a bell

He's also played in Duff's band Loaded.

Nope still not coming to me. 

I tried to google his name

But Google fell asleep when I typed his name in.

Same with Richard.... Let's see Buckethead, Robin, DJ, Ron they all left.  Frank, Richard, and Chris have been very loyal.  All deserve to stay in the band.  Izzy likes to do his own thing, Adler well we all know the story on him. 

Agreed, i really hope Izzy will show up here and there.

By that belief....where is Tommy?  Is he kinda getting screwed in this deal?  And even DJ.  Maybe the reason DJ left was because these plans were in place. 

I guess if a reunion of some sort is going to happen....some people are going to get screwed.  Can't please everyone. 

Yeah i feel for Tommy if he's not involved. He's been incredibly loyal to Axl, but i believe he said he'd step aside if Duff came back.

I don't know... Considering Slash got pissed and quit cause of Axl throwing Paul on him without him wanting to play with Paul.... U can bet Slash will have a major say as to who the other guitar player is.

Screwed? HUH? DJ has his band Sixx A.M. now Nikki is finished with Crue, they are going to be full time band and he will have zero time to commit to GNR.
Tommy has stuff going on, plus if anyone understands Original bands, it is he.

Footnotes for who? You?

it makes a difference for some of us who makes up the rest of the band beyond Axl & Slash. Otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing it in threads like this.

This.

Why is 3 needed again? Someone make a good case for it cause I don't see a need for it.

Slash + Izzy

Failing that
Slash + Richard

Or at a push Slash + Gilby

Because of the guitar arrangements on CD? I think that is a great use case. Of course they can be arranged to fit whatever is wanted/needed and it would be interesting to hear those songs with a new touch, but that's not up to me or anyone outside the band to decide.

Pretty much agree, although for me Richard would be the last resort. I mean if they ask Izzy and Gilby and both say no. Well then somebody has to do the job.

Why Gilby over Richard? Gilby was part of the UYI Tour era. It would look more like a reunion. And Gilby still performs from time to time with Slash, Duff and Sorum. If I?m not mistaken I think he has even play with Adler a couple of times.

^booo, fuuuck that.   :)  richards been in the band for 14 years, loyal as all hell. it would be ridiculous to replace him with gilby just because gilby played the illusions tours. the casuals wouldnt consider it more of a reunion just because of gilby, they wouldnt even know who he is.

And the casuals would consider it more of a reunion with Richard? They wouldn?t know who Richard is either.

I hope for two guitarists. soo much cooler. most people who are refering to the NEED of 3 guitarists because of the CD-tracks wouldn't even notice any difference.

i'm down with 3 guitarists. didn't Axl say at one point that some AFD songs had 3 guitars layered into the song, so there were actually some limitations with playing them live back in the day?

Dave always seemed like a cool dude. I liked VR and thought his playing was solid. live performances you barely noticed him. he just stayed off to the side doing his thing. if he fills that role, fine by me. I think a 3rd guitarist adds to the power of the sound, which will be important in stadiums.

obviously, I'd much rather it be Izzy involved (with Fortus being the add-on). it'll be disappointing if he is not heavily involved in some way.

as for Gilby, he was a touring member on one of the biggest rock tours of all time. I guess I'd rather he be involved because of his history as a touring member, but i'm not losing any sleep over it. if Axl/Slash/Duff prefer Kushner, that works for me.   

It would be a mix of old and new and maybe Axl would feel like it's more of a step forward, then backward. In the sense of creating new music. If memory serves me correctly, Gilby was let go because Axl wasn't thrilled with his song writing capabilities. Maybe he likes Richard better in that respect. Heck, if this Kushner rumor has any truth to it maybe he even prefers to take a shot with him over Gilby because of that reason as well.

Anything is posible, specially if we are talking about GN?R. However there is something called common sense. Kurshner never was a GN?R member. In fact he got lucky to be in Velver Revolver with Slash and Duff. Because Izzy walked away from The Project as they used to call it in the early days.

If the issue is sogwriting then  Slash and Duff could call him eventually if they need help. But right now we?re talking about a tour

I'm not sure of the history with VR, but why was Gilby not involved with that?  Did Slash prefer Dave over Gilby and maybe that's still true now?

I agree, which is why I don't get why Kushner would be involved. Unless of course, Axl doesn't want to view it as a full reunion, more of a mini reunion mixed with modern members. And in that case he may want a 3rd guitarist to continue his vision of "moving forward". Maybe Axl would view the addition of Gilby would lean more towards a reunion, and again that may not be his preference. I'm just thinking out loud here.

But Richard doesnt really write does he ? No credits on CD.

Btw, I still prefer Richard over Gilby.

I believe he commented how CD was basically written when he joined the band, so no he didn't have a big part in writing songs for CD. But maybe he's done a lot of work on the follow up. Again, things we don't really know. Just trying to make sense of these rumors.

I think he wrote some guitar parts, at least I remember him saying that.




/jarmo

This whole Dave Kushner idea has gotten more traction than I thought....


Guess we will find out soon enough.

https://twitter.com/davekushner66/status/683759123205234689?lang=nl

I really dont think Kushner is in the band.

Haven?t read the whole thread, but:
I don?t think 3 guitarists are needed, but even if they decide to have them, why the hell would Kushner be there? It?s Slash, Izzy/Gilby, and Richard. I believe both Gilby and Richard would make themselves available for this. Dave never played in GN?R, what would be the point in preferring him over any ex-Gunner?

The point of Dave could be a request of Slash and Duff. They may (and this is me just talking out of my ass) feel out numbered by the members of Guns now that they are joining (Axl, Richard, Frank, MotherGoose, and Dizzy) that they may want a say in someone else.

I don't think they need 3 guitarists, but it does sound cool as hell live and if it means CD songs being played, I'm all for it. Plus, Axl knows Guns better then I do so I'll just go to the show and enjoy it!

If Slash is there - and he is - I highly doubt they will play anything else from Chinese other than This I Love and maybe Street of Dreams. Can't really imagine him on stunts like Shacklers... :D

Then it would look like a parade instead of a reunion, different people from eras and bands performing with Axl, Slash and Duff

Ya, for me - never said I was speaking for anyone else.

I kinda have an issue with this, in that at no part has DK been part of the band, but if that's what it would take so be it...

On the other hand, a band made from AFD line-up members bands forming a super group in support of the main act would be cool

He didnt post anything about GNR, so it means hes not there, I guess?

I hope with all my heart you're wrong. Richard can perfect?y handle the hard/complex stuff like that, because he's an extraordinary player.

The ChiDem stuff shoud be played because it's an incredible album and a HUGE part of GNR's history.

Yep, it would suck to just drop the album. The thing is, GN'R has evolved all the time since day one and in my opinion it would be great to hear those songs with a slightly different touch now. They've done it live with many other songs in the past.

It makes absolutely no sense at all. Why in the hell would they bring Dave Kushner to the band?
Especially when you got choices of players who actually played in GN'R.

I find Dave's Twitter posts ridiculous attention whoring.

i would love to hear those songs reworked by the new lineup!

definitely agree with esteban. and ben (about the cd material).