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Guns N' Roses expected to be announced Reading Festival headliners


The first announcement of acts playing next year's Reading Festival will be announced at 8am on Friday with Guns N' Roses expected to be on the bill. Craig Jones writes for What's On.

It is thought the rock group will play with their original line-up at the event with the festival taking place simultaneously with one in Leeds.

This year's festivities saw The Libertines, Mumford and Sons and Metallica headline.


http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Guns-N-Roses-expected-announced-Reading-Festival/story-28275118-detail/story.html

It might be, but it's only the first announcement, so they might hold off one or two headliners yet.

I'm surprised they are going back to Reading/Leeds after last time! It's a shame they can't organise a later curfew.

Even in 2002 their set was dogged with issues regarding time (That was a brilliant show however).

Perhaps Axl feels he has unfinished business with Reading. It's not the best festival these days, very young trendy crowd mostly celebrating there exam results. Give me a full arena tour any day.

If they indeed are playing Reading/Leeds, I don't think Axl cares about what happened last time. If he can make up with Slash, I think the Reading Festival is good to go...  ;)

Going by the recent years concerts, I don't think late start times is a big issue anymore anyways.

You also have to figure if Slash is agreeing to come back, he's likely informed Axl that the days of going on at 11:30PM are over.

To be honest, I think it is more like Axl letting Slash back in.

Haha.. I think we've just found the new discussion/argument!

Well, I'm keeping everything crossed until the end of the week.

With Queen closing the Isle of Wight I'm hoping the band is gonna do Saturday, or push down Steriophonics on the Friday   : ok:

They are one of the rumored bands for this festival. Unsure where the rumor origins from though.

In this fantasy... wouldn't it make more sense for Guns N Roses to announce their big reunion deal before a festival grabs the headlines by letting everybody know hey we snagged Guns N Roses with Slash for this summer?

Just spitballing.

John Giddins, the Solo promoter  usually pulls out something special each year, but with Queens only UK show, me thinks this might be it, clearly hope that it isn't THE main event (for me at least) have got tickets anyway  ;)

Oh ultimately, absolutely right. 

Slash had no ticket back in until Axl thawed his feelings towards him and finally decided to give up the ghost with all these replacement line-ups.  Both things had to happen, and were Axl's decisions.

I just don't think Slash is coming back, hat in hand, desperate for a job.  He's doing just fine on his own.  So I have to imagine some things were agreed to before things really got rolling here, if they even did.

That's a good point.

Do you think Slash could see past being 1 hour late for every show in exchange for $10 million dollars?  ;D

Or, would that be a "deal breaker" for him?

Dunno.

I see two issues.  And one is an argument I hate, the "slippery slope" argument.  I just find that so lazy.

But it sort of applies here.  Let's say he agrees to Axl ready to take the stage no later than an hour past announced time.  What happens that first night its 1:05?  Or 1:20?  Then what?

And from that, what's the penalty?  Boxers have to agree to fines imposed if they can't make weight.  Would there have to be something similar here?  I think that's the sort of language that becomes the dealbreaker scenario.

You can say that all doesn't have to be spelled out, but this Axl Rose we are talking about here.

I doubt Axl would sign anything that says he'll have to pay fines if he's late. There's always the chance outside circumstances causes a delay, who's to decide if Axl has to pay up or not?

I think the "late thing" has become less of a problem, so it might not be an issue at all if a reunion is on the table. There could be some level of trust involved, just Axl telling Slash "Don't worry about that".

Is it possible that today was the last Tuesday?

Who knows. Gnr did reading in 2010, Leeds in 2002... I bet they would play again... Why not? If so... I can't wait to see the two new guitarist or hybrid lineup. What ever they will bring it will rock!

I apologize in advance for possibly not understanding enough.

But in this sentence, those two things don't have to be connected at all.

In English: Even if band X was booked for said festival, doesn't mean they have to be announced on Friday. They could announce other bands that play the same festival. Does that make sense or is it just my lack of understanding?



/jarmo

Yeah, that's the thing.  I don't know. 



Then I would have no pity for Slash if things go sideways.

Some bands but I think the headliners (GNR in this case if this is happening) would probably be announced at the first announcement, then maybe if the want other bands they could announce them later. Idk

Yes, it makes sense to announce the big draws first.

But it seems like some festivals space out the announcement of their headliners...



/jarmo

I think that's how some are doing it, while some are announcing everything at once.

Yeah, at this point, Slash would be a fool if he just took Axl at his word, especially on the start times which Slash clearly indicated were a huge Achilles heel for him during the heyday.

Yep.

I mean, its got its own section in his freakin' book.  He was quite clear.

To everyone mentioning slthe start times. For the two shows Axl played in Australia  that i went too, he was onstage at 8.30pm

Just speculating how that would be addressed, considering Slash was quite clear how little the late times worked for him.

I just think.... If there's any truth to the reconciliation and reunion of Slash and Axl, Slash has probably been open to such a thing for a longer time than Axl. So, if Axl is opening the door for Slash to come in, I think Slash know better than to start making demands.

I think Slash wants to play shows with a reunited GNR more than forcing through a written agreement that they're not gonna be late at concerts. Not being 100% sure if they take the stage on-time might just be worth it for Slash.

I think Slash and Duff want to end things on a higher note.

I think this might well have all started when Duff played those shows with Axl's most recent band.

Isn't it inevitable he was thinking, at least a little bit, "god damn...this should be us up here"?

Ill give Axl a prop here... I dont think the start times and Axl adhering to them is going to be an issue for Axl these days. I think those days are long gone.

I think that's exactly what he was thinking.

Yeah, that's my impression as well. This has really been a non-issue for at least the last couple of years of touring.

I remember Download 2006 announced GN'R before there was any announcement from the band that they were going back out on the road.

Just to be safe, Slash should insist on a strict no helicopters policy.

I think shows have been confirmed before GNR has released their press release on most of their tours since 2001.

If there's a reunion deal on the table though, that sort of a different game. That's a "big thing" to announce.

He'll leave the hotel room at the same hour though.. The delay will be greater.  ;)

Yes.

The actual start times vary. If you got a club show, or you're in Vegas, chances are the start time won't be 9PM.
In India the shows started around 7-7:30PM.



/jarmo

Based only on the little information we have at this point. It could be a one year thing only, just festivals here and there. So I guess Slash and Duff can deal with an helicopter and other stuff.

If that is the case Slash could eventually go back with Conspitators and Axl can go back to... meditation or to whatever may happen in Indonesia

Axl needs to repay the fans in 2010...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91JqRXKC77c

People seem to be mad that Axl was late. It's hard to be a rock star is all I can say... Call me a fanboy if you want.

But, I mean these angry "fans" argument is invalid if they went to go see a guns n roses show in 2010 and were expecting slash... Being mad because is was late made sense.

I'm be amazed if they play this event. I was there the last time they played Leeds (and the first). They went down like a lead balloon the second time. The crowd were uninterested, and I sort of regret going. They played well, but the audience at that event are appalling. As I left I saw kids in GNR shirts coming the other way- they hadn't even been watching the show, which shows the sort of pathetic fashion-chasers that attend the event. Buying a 'rock t shirt' from a High Street to improve your so-called credibility is about their good enough.

From what I'm hearing on the (rumoured) line-up for this year's event, GNR aren't on it. I think it's a good thing. They can do better than this event.

Also, I'm sure any announcement about any sort of reformation would come before a festival announcement. They do tend to stagger the announcing of the headliners, but, if the bands I've heard are playing are true, that won't make a difference anyway.

Just imagine the horror of all those idiots wandering around in 'Slash Wigs' with inflatable guitars waiting for the SCOM intro. Shudder.....

If that should've been "them" up there, he should not of left. Axl had the right to make CD as his invision as he was the only founding member left since izzy left, and the rights have been signed off to him. So no, it really shouldn't be them up there becuase they gave up on Axl.

I don't think they do, but slash and duff should have no pity for themselves towards gnr, it was there decision. Matt kinda chose the wrong path if he ever wanted to be apart of a reunion...

We shouldn't talk about a reunion here, it just said "Guns N' Roses". Correct me off wrong, I don't think it said anything about a reunion lineup from where the rumor started.

I think the rumours start with us, then shit journalists read them, make a shit news story, we read it, discuss it on here, and the cycle continues!

I wouldn't worry too much about start times. Axl has been quite prompt the last few years. I remember i Dallas in 2011 he was on 10 sharp.

I think they can find a happy medium.  If the others are worried about start times and Axl like to perform later, print the tickets at a later time that would help everyone.

Ticket:

Doors 9pm, GNR at 11pm or such a thing.  People will still come and at least they will know it will be a late night.

But honestly the times in recent memory have been ok.

In Buffalo a couple years back they were on at like 10pm, they came on earlier than most thought!

Well in that case...

I'm a insider, the new album featuring Kanye and Axl will be out on May 14th, 2016. The announcement will be soon. A tour will follow in the summer of next year.

I expect to see this in a news article soon.

That's right shitty journalist!

This makes sense from what we've heard as far as touring in 2017 to celebrate 30 yr anny for appetite. Doesn't make sense current guns touring next yr.                                                         

http://loaded.co.uk/guns-n-roses-get-the-wight-stuff/

Slash and Duff made a very, very foolish decision.  There is just no other way to put it.

But they are Guns N' Roses.  In their heart of hearts, I'm not sure they ever thought Axl was crazy enough to try to keep it all going without them.  And even in the half ass fashion he has, they still see there is a market for their music.

With age comes regret.  I think that is fueling all 3 of them on this thing, if it indeed pans out.

The classic Guns N? Roses line-up are set to blitz the festival circuit ? but it won?t happen for another two years.

Speculation has been rife for months that Axl Rose and Slash have buried the hatchet, 22 years after their last concert together in 1993. Now Loaded can reveal that megabucks offers are already in place for the band to play two British festivals at Isle Of Wight and Download as part of their comeback tour. An insider told us that the tour won?t happen for another two years to allow Rose and Slash to complete all their existing commitments. Rose is believed to want to play more gigs in 2016 to show some loyalty to his existing bandmates, who have toured under the Guns N? Roses name ever since guitarist Slash and fellow original members Duff McKagan and Steven Adler left during the 1990s.

Our source said:

?The simple truth is that Glastonbury doesn?t pay enough money to its headliners for GN?R to consider playing there. Also, Michael Eavis doesn?t have many hard rock acts at Glastonbury and everyone in the camp wants the comeback to be as hard and heavy as possible.?

The Reality Is:

- NOT EXIST REUNION AFD CLASSIC LINEUP -

 8)

The only thing that makes no sense there is Axl wanting to play in 2016.

Play with who?  More randos?  And how can you call them anything BUT hired hands for a short term tour with the more anticipated one right around the corner?

Guns N' Roses World Tour 2016

 : ok:

Well, that clears it up.

Define hired... Everyone except izzy and Axl who were "hired" during the appetite lineup. GNR for the most part has always been "hired".

Hey, I heard Slash wasn't even an original member!  Hand to god.  That's what I heard.

But...you know, keep that under your hat.  Let people believe the lie.

Yes Sr, Information Basic Of Fan

 : ok:

Maybe Axl could do a "settle all family business" type of tour.

Have back as many guys from the CD sessions as he can for one final run of shows.  That would be cool.

Exactly!  Haha...informing Axl

Perhaps next year will feature Frank & Richard and 2017 will be full Appetite line-up???

Who knows..

Great observation, some seem to continually overlook this fact.

I think it is absurd to think of Duff, Slash and Steven as "hired hands".... Yes they joined the band after Axl and Izzy founded it, but were they in Guns N Roses under different terms than Axl and Izzy? Were they paid a salary?

I was under the impression that the Appetite line-up was in it as equal partners.

I think the point was that they were "hired" to join an existing band.

Not like you're a hired guitar player. More like "Ok, you got the job, you're in the band".


Some people are sensitive about these things though. They still wanna have the discussion about the meaning of original and founding.  ;)



/jarmo

I just hope anyone he hires for potential gigs in 2016 once they "have the job" and are "in the band", that it doesn't slow down the progress on that new album.

That's what I hope.

Yeah, I agree completely with this.

I just mean that the members in GNR post-1996 was a part of the band in a different way than Slash, Duff and Steven was. The two situations were completely different in that Axl was 100% the boss after the classic line-up dissolved.


I still mean the members such as Robin, Bucket, Brain etc. had creative input, but they were hired in the band as a job, with a contract - receiving a salary.

Yes, there's a difference.




/jarmo

What's this place like on Friday if things don't go our way?

Being realistic for a minute.... There's a big chance things have been built up way too much.

If the whole reunion thing has no substance, I won't be very disapointed as long as CD 2 sees the light of day in the near future. Personally I will put those two outcomes as equals.

If the reunion thing was built up too much and nothing happens It is not your fault nor mine. We should?ve been told it was bullshit long ago.

If they let this thing spin out of control then they are to blame.

Haha. Funny logic.

You should've told me this idea I had was bullshit before you knew it wasn't gonna happen the way I thought it would!



/jarmo

If they are preparing to announce new music, I would let that slide. I also understand that's not an option for everyone, but then again those people were probably not a fan of the recent line-ups anyway.

So, I don't think Axl will have much fewer fans than what he had say last year.

I agree with these points.

However, if he were to come out and tell us that there is no reunion coming and the focus remains on finishing up the album...what weight does that really carry at this point?

Why is that any more reassuring than the Revolver interview?  Its just the same vague crap with a different date stamp, no?

Uh? If you are Axl, Slash or Duff and you see all kind of rumors about a reunion. You know it is bullshit and you said nothing on the matter then you are to blame for not denying.

It?s like you are at the beach and you see someone drowning and you do nothing to help that person. Well if that person dies you?re gonna have a lot to explain to the authorities.

What if you don't know it's bullshit? That's my point!
What if you haven't made any decisions yet?

No, it's not a life and death situation..... Sorry. Not even close.


/jarmo

It's complete pie in the sky naivete to think there is no fallout if this doesn't happen.  And yes, it will be impossible to pity him.

Be fucking serious here, people.

But I didn?t come up with the rumors. That?s my point.  Tell  RS, Eddie Trunk, Nikki Sixx and others they don?t know bullshit. Well not you, it is up to Axl, Slash or Duff  to tell them

What do you mean him? There's two other people involved and they haven't said a thing either.




Maybe you didn't understand.

If I tell you "I think you're gonna fly to the moon" and you say nothing. Should I take your silence as a yes or no?
That's up to me.

But then again, maybe you are hoping to be able to fly to the moon and you just don't wanna say "yes/no" until you know what's gonna happen for sure. Down the line, you could say "No, I'm not. I'm busy here at earth". Or maybe "Yeah, I was hoping to but then realized I hate heights"....

Sorry for that analogy. I'm just trying to explain that sometimes you can't say yes or no because you don't know yourself what is going to happen next week, next year or in two years!




/jarmo

Guns N' Roses Band Is One Thing

Guns N' Roses Music Is Other Thing

 : ok:

Who is "our" ? Pesky mouse in your pocket, or are you just delusional and thinking you speak for others again?

Yeah, which is odd.  And, frankly, I think one of the reasons people are willing to give this any credence.

Axl off in Witness Protection, that's nothing new.  But it would be weird for the others to stay so mum.

But come on.  You think its a stretch to think if this all goes to hell, Axl won't be seen as the bad guy?  Is this not Axl Rose Persecution Complex Central?  Well, for once, I agree with that crowd.  He will be the bad guy here.

And I'm wondering how sorry we are then supposed to feel for him.

Mouse in my pocket, "Emily".

Last time I checked, this was a Guns N' Roses fan site.
So, no need to insult those who frequent the site.  : ok:

All these condescending comments from you today. What's wrong? May I suggest you take a break until you can refrain from trying to insult those who post here.




/jarmo

So...yea or nay as him being seen as the bad guy here?

Your analogy is crap man.....shit.

This has to be some of the stupidest logic I have seen in a long time. Axl has clearly said he will never play with Slash again, he even put it in writing. Basically, all he has said in the past points towards NO REUNION. Just because Eddie Trunk and Nikki Sixx get their panties in a bunch because they listened to some hearsay doesn't make Axl responsible. Fuck your mob mentality. Fuck you for blaming Axl if nothing happens. Slash has said he spoke to Axl, and that is all that is known. And now dumb ass people like you feel entitled to information that probably doesn't exist and you hold Axl responsible if it doesn't get delivered to you? All that needed to be said about that has been said a million times already. If a guy like Axl needs to shoot down every rumor some dumb ass music blog puts out there he'd never get to making music. Your sense of entitlement is mind boggling.

Because you figure that's been the hold up?

All the time he's had to devote to shooting down rumors, that's the biggest obstacle to him getting to make music?

I think people mean that if there's nothing to the overwhelming amount of rumors and stories circulating they would be doing themselves a favor in debunking it in public sooner rather than later. Any backlash that will come in the aftermath if they don't say anything is just how the world works unfortunately, however unfair that is.

Debunking it would be even more in their own interest than ours.

Learn how to read, my friend. I was not saying that he refrains from making music because of shooting down rumors. I merely used that as an example to clarify that expecting Axl to shoot down every reunion rumor -even if so called rock stars speak about them- would take a shitload of time since those rumors start about every day for a different reason, on a million different blogs.

I don't consider anything to be a hold up, because I don't see a hold up. A hold up is when something was promised to me, and hasn't been delivered yet. Nothing has been promised, by no one.

Precisely.

Any impassioned plea of "but it shouldn't be that way!", that and a buck will get you a morning coffee.

Yeah, but the point is...he doesn't do any of that.  Forget having to do too much of it, he does none of it.  It's not a thing, what you are suggesting.

My god, his ex-guitarist wrote and entire freakin' book about his time in the band.  When did Axl respond?  4 years later.  In the course of some fan chats on a message board.

Don't think debunking rumors are a super high priority for him.

You Have One Big Obssesion By Axl Rose

 :hihi:

Yes, but the ones responsible for the backlash would not be Axl, Slash or Duff. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I know that's how the world works, but if fans on forums start to think like they are owed anything because they get their hopes over some comments done by some wannabe insiders, they just haven't been a fan long enough and need to take it down a notch or two.

Ahem: "FOR Axl Rose", HBK. "FOR Axl Rose."

What did you not get about the fact that he has said multiple times already he will not play with Slash again? You want it confirmed each time some blog starts a wave of reunion crap? The man has been very clear about it. And who the fuck cares what he devotes his time to. You sound like a junkie begging for a next shot. The man's been clear in the recent past plenty of times. What do you want from him if nothing's going on? Even if there was, but there was nothing to say just yet. It's Axl fucking Rose. Go follow Kanye West if you want to get 24hr updates.

Dude, why do you care so much?  You seem emotionally invested in Axl ::not:: playing with Slash ever, ever again. Why?

You are making a "perfect world" argument.

But in the real world, a shitload of people are talking about a possible reunion.  Right or wrong, you aren't going to unring that bell after Slash's comment and all these rumors.

If Axl feels that is misguided, he can play it one of two ways :

- shut that shit right down
- let it go and not give a fuck who say what about you afterwards

In my experience following this man since 1988, you can forget about Option A.  He just doesn't do it.

Option B would be swell, but he only does the first part.  He lets it go, but then very much gives a fuck later about "printing lies and starting controversies".  And as much as he gets his back up, his fans take what is said about him even harder.

What is being suggested is that he is under no obligation to say anything if he does not want to.  But if he (or his fans) complains down the line that he took unwarranted heat over the rumors, it will be hard to pity him (or those upset fans) because he was not the least bit proactive correcting the record.

I care about dumb ass people who feel they're owed anything based on nothing. Especially dumb ass internet people who assume loads of crap based on their own unintelligent interpretation of things. And I am obviously speaking about you as well since I am a big Slash fan, Axl fan and Duff and Izzy too. I would fucking love it if they'd get on stage together again. So your cheap shot missed its target. I just think it's absolutely ridiculous that people think Axl or Slash has to say anything about some rumors. If there was anything to tell us, they would.

I understand but you could argue that you can ignore what Nikki Sixx says. But right now we have rumors about GN?R performing at festivals in the UK next year.

Again you could argue that it is up to the festival promoters to confirm or deny at some point. My question is. Is it really up to some promoters to confirm or deny a reunion tour? I don?t think so. Even if tomorrow Axl, Slash or Duff deny all of this. Why they let it grow to this point? It is not the end of the world if we don?t have a reunion next year or never. But the sooner we know about it the better.

Being a fan since '87 I get the impression he couldn't care less about that as well.

And being a very big fan of the original line up and not that much of the most recent ones, I would love a reunion. But contrary to the 'rest of the world' I take the words of Slash as what they were, namely the fact that he has spoken with Axl. There was nothing more said than that. They spoke. If you think that means reunion I wonder how you go about your daily life  :confused:

But you've observed what's happened right? The longer this drags out people are starting to believe more and more by the day. Foolish and naive maybe, but it is happening all the same.

Personally I don't feel like I'm owed anything, but I can feel a concern for the brand name and Axl's popularity which in turn could impact his desire to both tour and release new music.

Let's say Axl gets trashed royaly all over when appearing six months from now saying he never even considered a reunion, technically he hasn't done anything wrong but that's the outcome. He then feels everyone's against him and just says "Fuck them, I'm taking my music to the grave".


I'm talking in extremes here because I think many fans will continue to support him, but his relationship with the media will be worse than ever before. It's not ideal.

Yes, and look up the source of that rumor. Remember when Bristol Post had the scoop on all the music industry announcements?  :confused:

Sometimes I feel like I am a fan of a different GNR or Axl than many on the fans on here. It's Guns N Fucking Roses!!! Who the fuck cares what the random ass people think of Axl, or his reputation. It's Axl Rose, the dude who does everything against what everyone wants or expects him to do! And now you're concerned what people might think of him? Or how he feels he is a victim? He already feels that way anyway.

I take Axl as an intelligent and honest person, and I support him when he keeps things to himself. When there's something to say he will say so when he will feel okay with telling everyone. He's only been like that for the last 30 years or so.

Can't rule this out.

Let's say he does have zero desire for a reunion.  And he's watching all these pieces and hot takes printed day after day after day.  All with a common theme of "Guns N' Roses Might Be Coming Back!!"

Well, to him, they never went away.  How do you think that makes him feel?  There has been more written in the past few months over one quote from a guy out of the band for 20 years than anything he's done lately.

Does an even further pissed off Axl Rose help anyone?

And you know what?  I wish we had more like you.

You aren't coming across like the kind of guy that is going to piss and moan about who said what about him.  In my experience, you are more exception than rule.

Some of us are already dreading the sheer amount of time we are going to spend on how poor Axl was done wrong by the evil media if this doesn't pan out.

I am for sure not going to moan and piss about that. It's fucking rock and roll....nothing is supposed to please everyone or go the way it's supposed to.

I sincerely hope to hear some ace tunes from the original members that we haven't heard yet. But I am not holding my breath or anyone responsible for that. At the end of the day it's just music man, something you either enjoy or you don't. Who cares what others think of that music you enjoy.

Good stuff, CLM.  Welcome aboard.

I think the point is he said all that stuff in the past...like years ago.  The last time (I think) he addressed it was during the HOF induction, and he again forcefully denounced any reunion.  This time around...he's said nothing.  No one's asking for Kardashian-like updates, but if all you have to go on from Axl's perspective are things he said years ago, it's reasonable to ask if something's changed.

Axl didn't always have great things to say about Duff and Izzy...but then years later, there they were sharing the stage again.  Perhaps history is repeating itself with Slash.  That's where an update would help.

So, get back to me once you're less condescending to the people who post here. Park that high horse somewhere first.  : ok:




Is it possible GN'R are looking at plans to tour in the future and haven't finalized plans yet?
You think GN'R should start shooting down every rumored show they are supposed to take part in?

Every year, GN'R are rumored to play somewhere. Sometimes it's only wishful thinking from some fan. Other times it's somebody who think they know what's going on, other times it's people who are confused (like when a former member is booked somewhere people get confused)...





You're aware that for a number of people this isn't good enough?
But he doesn't release music! They don't update us! They hate us! And so on, and so on..... And so on....




/jarmo

I'm glad they don't update us. They did in 2001 when saying the album will be out, they were not ready to announce that because they were not sure of that.

Everything has pros and cons.




/jarmo

My sincere hope is this.

That the reason we haven't had a GNR update on future plans is because of what Jarmo is saying, that those plans haven't been finalized yet.

Hopefully there is some master plan at work here and we get some great news early 2016.

I really hope we arent having this conversation in 12 months.

I feel you care just as much what people think of him. You didn't like the idea of people having entitlement issues and you'll say a "fuck you" to people who will blame him if there's no reunion.


I'm not directly concerned about what people think and say of him, but more about the situation as a whole. You do bring up a good point about Axl not caring much about these things, that's probably true.

Your call.

Yeah, that was probably pretty optimistic.

You mean the announcement at the end of RIR III, right?

At least you'll be 12 months more experienced in having this conversation then!
That's gotta be something. :D



/jarmo

 ;D

I agree with all this but that last bit.  Not as sure there.

Hahahaha

Good burn is a good burn, Oscar.

Reading that Axl is going to get the more rescent line up back together and Slash is going to fulfill his obligations on blabber mouth.  So many rumors that we all just have to smile and wait.  The comments left under the piece are just typical of people who make negative comments behind a keyboard.  Here you at least get called out and held accountable to an extent for comments.  Old band new band anyway it's GNR and it's all rock 'n roll to me:)

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-classic-lineup-was-reportedly-offered-megabucks-to-play-two-british-festivals/

I hope for original or close to it line up in the future.  As a fan I have always enjoyed every show no matter the musicians.  So if it happens it happens and I'll enjoy the music as most of us have all these years.  I also would enjoy the continued later start times.  It's rock 'n roll and it has been awesome to be enjoying a show that cranks out all that energy at midnight.  These past years it's like Axl got his wish for going on at a later time rather than going on "late". He always delivered good shows along with all the rest of the band.

yeah yeah.... i will let him have a point.  ;)

Amen! Nobody is "owed" a few "fans" here seem to think that somebody should keep them updated on each step personally and hold their hands.

Entitled nonsense.   : ok:

Gee, and I thought is was your delusions of Grandeur manifesting again about how you not only are some sort of spokesman for all GNR fans, but how you have all the answers and insight to every situation that had ever existed.  :hihi:

6 of 1, Emily.

6 of 1.

Keeping up relations i see Emily.

 :hihi:

I Believe & My Opinion Is:

-. Guns N' Roses NOT Play In Reading & Leeds -

Unfortunately debating and disagreeing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a frustrating endeavor because they almost always turn out to be
?or to be indistinguishable from?self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.

Hmmm. Everyone on the Internet these days claims to be correct.  ::)

Yet here you are again... fighting the good fight.  :D

Great Post

 : ok:

Well, I don't. I don't care what anyone thinks of Axl, I just have an issue with the current day internet society where the masses suddenly have a voice and a mean to beg like junkies for updates, news and whatever they want.

I mean, seriously, today there's ANOTHER news item on Blabbermouth about Axl finishing obligations which would be getting back together the most recent line up as an homage to their input. WTF is that crap? Who makes that shit up? And he's suppose to respond to that? Everyday some loser journalist makes up a story and then so called fans want to know what's up.

Axl Rose has a Twitter account.
"Guns N' Roses" has a Twitter, Facebook, an official website, etc.
It would take very close to Zero effort to give the fans an update on where the band is at with looking seriously at the next album, when they plan to get back on the road, and who is playing guitar, etc.

All Axl would have to do, to quell every rumor coming from the press right now, regarding a reunion, is to use one of the GnR official social media channels and post "To all the rumor mongers", and a link to "Get in the ring".  Or post (or have a representative post, making it clear this is a sactioned response) the same thing to one of the gnr forums (since that seems to be where a lot of the "news" is actually sourced from).

He wouldn't have to comment any further. He wouldn't even have to DIRECTLY address it.

I agree with folks that say "He can't really address every single rumor, article, and blind press item".  It would be a full time gig, itself.

But this?  This is different.  This is months worth of the same types of rumors, on generally the same subject.  And if it's NOT true, it's harming your brand and future vision for that brand, because the lack of comment can be seen as tacit acceptance (whether it is or not).  This is SLIGHTLY different than the normal "I wanna know when the album is coming out, what your plans are, what you had for breakfast, and whether you wear boxers or briefs and I WANT TO KNOW NOW" sort of noise coming from segments of the fanbase.  This is a bit more substantive.

I'm not saying Axl HAS to comment.  He certainly doesn't.  That's his choice, obviously.  And I'm not going to demand that he confirm or deny, today.

But I'm also not going to sit here and say this is the exact equivalent to situations, past ,either.  This has gotten a LOT more traction.  Maybe it is just an overzealous press....but how are we supposed to know that without some sort of official (or even ancillary) confirmation or denial? No matter which way you lean, it's a wobbly assumption....

I mean, if it's a confirmation...yeah...I understand the wait because they're dotting i's and crossing t's.  But if it's not? At this point, it's hard to see a good reason NOT to say or do SOMETHING. Even if it's indirect.

Welcome to the Jingle!
It's Tattoo Thursday!!  :hihi:

I'm surprised nobody thought of this before!  :o





So if it's not confirmed, you want confirmation that it's not confirmed but it might be?
Is that how you should do it? Reveal what you're trying to figure out and possibly get peoples' hopes up even more?

For me, the biggest reason not to say anything is simple.
You don't wanna say anything until you know for sure what's going to happen.

If GN'R are looking into making plans for a tour, starting to deny which shows might get booked and which not, makes little sense at this moment. Obviously in some cases it would make sense. Like when they sold tickets to that show in Hungary years ago!

Also denying/confirming band members and who's in, who's not makes little sense right now.



/jarmo

No, it was bad wording on my part. Sorry. I was using the jumping off point that this is all the result of journalists making up stories, and that it was all fiction (or close to it).

If it's just not confirmed, and they're working on it, I expect silence. That's the best tact to take for exactly the reasons you're implying.

If it's not confirmed, and not ever going to be, because it's completely not true, THEN I think it behooves them to say something. 


Totally OK with that, if that's where they are in relation to the reunion rumors.  If you're not sure, and you're still working on things...yup, fine.  Silence.  And fans are probably going to interpret that as tacit, wink wink, nudge nudge, acceptance that there is at least SOME validity to the rumors.  And you go in knowing that, and accepting the risks, given the potential outcome.

But if all this really is just the product of someones overzealous imagination, and a press that has to fill pages as clickbait....then...I think it does you more harm than good to stay completely quiet.  Again, you don't have to even directly address every article...just something that lets people know its all a bunch of bullcrap.


Agree.  I don't think you comment on every single show rumor and ancillary time frame (spring, summer, 2 years from now) bit of the story.

I think pilferk's point was that if there's no truth whatsoever to the rumors, it would be smart to deny the rumors, but if there's uncertainty around this he can understand them not saying anything yet.

I also think it would be confusing if you start saying no and the yes before everything is settled.

Imagine this: No, we are not playing there with that line up. Yes, we are playing here.




/jarmo

Pretty much.

And, with many rumors....I would say you can still get away with silence. Album release dates. rumored shows, and the odd ball, one off, reunion/lineup rumors etc, etc.  Those you can let sit, and play out.

But this?  This is different.  Because it's been MONTHS of press reporting, "inside" source comments, and the like.  It seems like every beggar and hanger on is commenting, and even some closer to the "inside" implying things.  It's literally the question everyone is asking. This isn't your typical rumor.

It's not like GNR are asking us for money everyday and we get nothing-nobody in that band owes us a damn thing! If they want my money, they can out a new album, tour, whatever. As it stands, I don't feel cheated, angry, anything like that. I come on here and read stuff because I'm interested- again, that's free, and if it angered me I wouldn't do that!

I don't feel Axl or anyone else need to constantly deny any rumour the internet might throw up, in the same way that if a rumour sprung up among the residents of my street that I was gay (I'm not) I wouldn't feel I had to go and knock on every house door to let them know my sexuality, or put out a big sign stating whether I was gay or straight. It would be a ridiculous response to a rumour.

It's ludicrous to expect any band to constantly deny any rumours about it - they owe us nothing. If they want our money, they'll do something for it. They're entertainers. If they want to do nothing, that's their look out.

Yes, and if I were GNR/AXL or whatever, I would use that building anxiety to my benefit so that when I announce something I will have maximum exposure. So maybe they're just being smart IF something's happening and they'r just simply using everyone's eagerness.

But say if Axl hasn't moved an inch on his stance rergarding a reunion, he hasn't even spoken to Slash (we still don't know 100% I think). Then he knows for sure that a reunion isn't going to happen, and can confidently go out and debunk the whole thing before it gets even more out of hand.

If he has spoken to Slash, and there's a small 10% chance of a reunion happening, I can understand that he won't come out and say anything about it until he knows something concrete. Denying it could backfire if it ends up happening anyways. Confirming it will be premature obviously. Being evasive about it wouldn't help either. Better off keeping quiet then.

People are starting to see the silence as some sort of confirmation.... and that could be a problem if there's no truth to the rumors, that's my point.

I agree.

It's the usual. You're saying something without saying anything.  :hihi:

Even if he went out and said "no", some wouldn't believe him. On top of that, it might create other issues down the line.


What is the reunion anyway? Everybody seems to have an idea what it's supposed to be. For some, it's the AFD5, for others it's Axl, Duff and Slash. Then, others assume it's the UYI touring line up and so on.

Simply denying something isn't enough I think.... So in the end, it might not be the way to go at this point.


Anyway, regarding tomorrow. It's all been assumed by the media in Britain. Obviously the festivals love the extra attention.
I'm not gonna be upset if nothing happens. I know better.




/jarmo

I still don't understand why that would be a problem. Like someone said before: if someone tells other people I am gay and then some guy comes up to me and tries to hit on me and I tell him 'thank you, but I am not gay' should he then be angry with me? Or the dude that told him I was gay?

I would consider it a problem if they now announce they're discussing a reunion and it blows up before it ever materializes. Because THEN there would be an actual reason to be disappointed.

Normally, I'm 100% in this camp. I think it's a bad idea to comment on every rumor that rears its head.

And even now..I agree...it's their call.  They can be silent if that's what they want to do.

But this rumor has sort of taken on a life of it's own. It's different than what had gone on before. This is being treated, by a LOT of places, as a legit news story.  And people...and I'm not just talking about those of us who dwell here...are taking the silence by Axl/GnR as sort of a tacit confirmation of "something" building toward a reunion type thing.  

Does Axl and GnR OWE us a comment? No.

But would it make a whole lot more sense for them to, directly or indirectly, shut it down? I think so, at this point.

If the rumors are all bullshit grounded in nothing, I don't see how a denial won't be enough. I would believe Axl if he came out and said there's no truth to the news stories, and he will continue without Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven. Things haven't changed since 1996, he will continue as before.






Oh, I'm not placing any bets on any announcements tomorrow either.  :hihi:

To be honest I'm not sure at all what to make of all the rumors floating around, I think it could og either way at this point. I would welcome any direction the band takes actually.

And let's say he did that and then at some point Duff does shows with GN'R like last year?
Even if that wasn't planned at the moment, but the door was left open for the possibility.

That's what I meant, saying just "no" might cause other issues....

Like "no, that guy isn't going to be there" and then he shows up anyway! Because you didn't expect him to, or something happened like last year.
There's many variables.  :hihi:


Yeah, I think one thing seems to be pretty certain. No matter where GN'R plays next, Dj probably isn't going to be there....



/jarmo

I think analogies regarding yours (or anyone's) sexuality aren't particularly apt..and might be a bit sensitive as a jumping off point for further discussion.   So lets change direction a bit.

Say you were dating a girl.

You broke up. It was messy. For the next few years, through friends and other contacts, you basically hurled insults at each other and talked about how terrible the entire experience was.

One day, she tells a mutual friend that you're friends again, and it's cool.

A rumor starts that you're back together.

You decide it's stupid to address it.  So you don't.  You remain silent.

But...all of a sudden, everyone you know, everywhere you go insists that you're back together.  People report seeing you back together.  They report that you're about to get engaged. They're making you out to be this huge power couple that's going to light the world on fire, bring about world peace, and cure cancer...and that's just in your first few weeks together.

It starts to seep into your work place.  Your boss was a big fan of her...and seems to be implying increased professional opportunities for you if its true.  But only if you bring her to the company Christmas party (and every subsequent work function).

It starts to effect your personal life.  You can't get another date (though you're actually still looking) because everyone thinks you're back with your ex (and then think you're an ass for hitting on them). You have friends who you normally hang out with who now won't come around because they THINK you're back with your ex, and they're NOT fans, or are afraid they'll get pushed out my this new relationship rekindling.

In short, it's starting to effect almost every portion of your life.

Do you still stay silent?  Do you still not comment?  This isn't just any rumor, anymore. It's something a little bigger.

I mean...if so, that's fine. Your choice. Or if there's actually a chance of working things out with this girl, and you're not sure...again, that's fine.

But there are effects from that.  And there are assumptions that are going to get made..not just from your friends, but potentially from some prospective clients or business contacts.  There is an AWFUL lot of fallout from not commenting if the rumors are completely without basis.  And when people find out the truth..yeah, they're gonna be ticked AT YOU.  Because you could have set the record straight, at any point, and chose not to.  Again, you might have had your reasons for going that route..but now you're left trying to explain, and then untangle, down the road.  And there are STILL going to be folks who don't get the message and find out in the most uncomfortable and inconvenient way possible, whatever that is.

I think they're smart folks.  I think there's a way to craft a statement (if they want to go after it directly) or make an indirect reference to press rumors (like I laid out before) that would get the point across, but leave open (or make obvious) any future one offs or fill in runs.

I mean: Axl's made categoric statements before about a reunion...and yet nobody seems to have been confused or ticked off by Izzy occasionally appearing or Duff filling in for Tommy.  I think you handle those independently of "day to day" standard operating procedure.  Again, assuming Duff isn't joining on a permanent basis..if that's true (but the Slash bit isn't) then...fair point.  You're stuck because it's harder to make a simple statement.

There are plusses and minuses on both sides, to both paths, if there's really zero truth to the rumors.  To ME, worrying about whether someone is going to do a one off/fill in, down the road vs the potential effects the current reunion rumor has seems to very decidedly tip the scales in the direction of the reunion rumors in terms of potential negative outcomes.  But that's just me.


Agree.  Also agree with the fact that I'm not getting my hopes up about any announcement tomorrow.  I'll be psyched if it's true, but....I fully expect it won't be.

Yeah- you're probably right. Analogy was just something I pulled out of thin air (apologies for any offence!) but yours is probably better.

Another issue of course is- is Axl even aware of these rumours? We don't even know he goes on the internet. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in a bubble and is not even aware of most of them.

A similar case is that of Oasis I think- obviously a huge deal in the UK, with constant rumours about them re-forming, constant stories about them 'headlining Glastonbury' each year etc. Every interview Noel Gallagher does he gets asked about it. Every single time. Every time he says "no", but the rumours keep going. There's really no point in him even opening his mouth about it anymore. If Axl was doing interviews I'm sure it would be the same.

It doesn't really matter if Axl gave more interviews...

They wouldn't be allowed to ask him certain questions anyway. You think Eddie Trunk and Jimmy Kimmel just chose not to ask him specifically about Slash etc?

I'm in the camp that they should have addressed this by now... only if its 100 percent not in the cards. If they are hammering out the details then of course, but I don't think it's the smart play to let this go on and on in the established media if the philosophy is still "not in this lifetime".

But he (forcefully) denied reunion rumors in the past.  And those statements were enough, correct?  Why is it hard to acknowledge that it's different this time around?  At the very least, by remaining silent he's at least giving the impression that it's under consideration.  I refuse to believe for one second that he has no idea that these rumors exist.

I understand your analogy, however, mine was more about who's to blame for the misinformation being sent around.

I understand and agree that clarification would make things way more clear (derp) to us. However, I truly believe that if there was something to say they would. Do you have any idea how many contracts and lawyers would go into a reunion? It's almost impossible for us to imagine that. That takes at least a year. And we don't even know for sure how long they have been talking to each other. Maybe it's just since this year. And maybe they jammed a bit. Maybe. Maybe they liked that. But to go from there to a full on reunion tour worldwide? It would take way more time than this. So I honestly don't think there's anything to be said.

And yes, I kind of think that if it would be a firm 'no never' from Axl's side it would be smart to come out and say something. But him not saying anything doesn't mean something IS going to happen.....

I sort of addressed that at the end. At the outset, it's the rumormonger.

3 months into it, when you're still saying nothing, and the effects are creeping in.....your associates are likely going to blame you when if it ends up being totally untrue from the outset.  Now, if you say "we were trying to work something out, but it just didn't"....that's different.  And people would be much more accomodating, both of your silence at the time, and of the eventual outcome.


As i said, IF that's the case...they're working on something, even if just marginally...I agree, silence is their best course.

If, though, NONE of this has ANY basis in reality...nothing is happening, nothing is being talked about, and Axl's position is still "not as long as I'm alive"...that's something different.


Agreed.  Silence doesn't ensure outcome.

im gonna go ahead and place my bet. 10000 imaginary yen that friday will not be the day. hope no one is too disappointed if the rumors turn out to be false. saying that in a not sarcastic way.. some people seem really pumped for this.  id hate to see you walkin out there, out in the rain.

To be clear, I'm NOT offended. :)  But it's hard to frame the discussion using your example, because you have to be mindful of HOW you frame it, and the language/characterizations you use, so you DON'T cause offense.  That makes it a tangled up mess.  Just figured framing it as a messy break up removed some of that sensitivity. :)


I think, in terms of Axl knowing....maybe early on, he didn't.  But at this point, its sort of everywhere.  My twitter feed sees at least one article every day, from various press (not GnR focuses) sources.  One of the sites has even set up a "GnR rumor meter" to gauge likelihood.   We've passed the point where this is an obscure internet rumor and gotten to critical mass (probably a while ago).  I think it's pretty likely he knows, even if he's not seeing the stuff directly.  Someone has made him aware.

With Oasis...this is a little different.  This isn't a press site fishing for information.  It's various sources, of varying credibility, all saying it's going to happen.  I think that's the difference than just fielding the same question in interview after interview.  

I'm with you.  I'll put up an imaginary bottle of Jack (actually, it's a real bottle, but I'm not sharing it!!) that tomorrow is not the day.

I'm still curious enough that I'll check out the Reading Festival website tomorrow morning.

alright! anyone else want to place some bets? im not willing to bet my welcome to the jingle shirt though, so dont ask! that sob is mine!

oh, im definitely curious. i have to wait till saturday now that ive travelled through time to the future (japan is a day ahead of america). ive been trying to find lazer but i think he got lost in the bend of time. i doubt anyone remembers youre the man now dog, let alone the specific one im referring to. or chrono trigger for that matter!

Yes he did.
That was a one off that, once again, people assumed he would have to do, and thus reuniting the old band.


I don't doubt that he knows about it.

All I'm saying is that until you know damn sure what's going to happen, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to start denying or confirming things.
I know, this only makes sense to some of us. The rest of you just want an update.

And if you're still trying to figure things out. it makes even less sense to talk about it.




/jarmo

I don't think anybody is looking for weekly updates ... like how far along or how close they are to an agreement.

Just put the kibosh on it if it's not even a consideration.

Haha... yeah I think we all will !

That's the thing. We don't know if it is!

Some are convinced it's not going to happen so they should so say.
Others believe it's happening and they should say so.

The rest of us are just enjoying the ride and whatever happens, happens. :)




/jarmo

Well the ride ... is not all that thrilling at the moment... ha

(besides the banter here)

The forum is running wild thats for sure!!

It's like the day before Christmas. Except you don't know what you're getting and if this is the Christmas you get that pony you always wanted... :hihi:
I mean, you always wanted a pony right?  ;)




/jarmo

Obviously the argument we're having is on a hypothetical level. I don't think many here are confident in what is really going on.

Speaking only for myself, I'm only giving my opinion on what I think would be the smart thing to do if one of many possible scenarios is the real one. If another scenario is the correct one I don't wish or think we will hear anything from Axl until things are finalized.

I really don't favor any scenario more than another one.

Well if they ain't at Reading then the "summer festival tour" looks unlikely as they are not doing Download.

The other UK festivals ain't really GN'R territory unless Sonisphere is happening again.

I'm not going to bullshit, I'd rather the originals came back.  If its pick one or the other, I want that.

But not to the point I would also not be fine with Axl recruiting GNR v 4.0 and trying to continue soldiering on.

The only thing I don't want is what we often get, complete and total inaction.  This is what I expect, however.

Yeah, Download has their three headliners.

Sonisphere seems to only happen when they get some big headliners. It was on one year, then off last year...
Glastonbury doesn't seem like a hard rock kind of crowd (remember how welcome they made Metallica?)...




/jarmo

I see it as a very cool thing to see a reunion vs. Higher chances of new music sooner rather than later.

I can't choose between the two.

Who exactly stated first that there might be some sort of announcement Friday?

Was it because the festival lineups are supposed to be announced?

Certainly an exciting time to be a GNR Fan, I said that before and got bashed.

I'm enjoying this  :peace:

One of the festivals GNR has been rumored to bill is making the first announcements tomorrow. It hasn't been said there will be a GNR specific announcement.

Thanks, I was wondering how that transmutated into people saying Friday was the day.

These past months have been very exciting considering the band is on hiatus.

The other strong rumour in the UK is that they are doing the Isle Of wight festival. They have Queen and Stereophonics headlining days, with one day still to be announced.

The other act rumoured is The Spice Girls, which is just surreal!

 Are you sure that the festival promoters have schedueled an announcement for this Friday?  Do you have the link to the festival official website? With or without GN?R I just want to make sure that tomorrow in fact the promoters will say something about this particular festival.

Likely because you say it 24/7/365.

"Wonder if Emliy thinks things are going well?" is never a question that ever has to be asked.  We're pretty confident where you stand.

Conversely, if you ever said "well, that's somewhat disappointing" about something, that's a true "remember where you were" moment when you read it.

And that's you even couching it with *somewhat*.  It would still be news.

Yep- definitely an announcement Friday from this festival. 8am UK time.

It's been reported that they'll make the first announcement of artists at 8am tomorrow.

The festival website: readingfestival.com

https://twitter.com/OfficialRandL/status/672324424180174848




/jarmo

Thank  : ok: I checked it. There is nothing there that would lead me to think that something special will  be said out of their annoucement so far. They might change it later.

Haha!



RHCP will be playing European festivals in June/July. Wonder if they'll stick around until Reading/Leeds. If they do, they might be one headliner.




/jarmo

It's worth noting not all headliners will necessarily be revealed tomorrow.

Chillis & GN'R would be quite the coup!

Exactly.




/jarmo

Wonder if the announcement tomorrow is a full press release, or if they just release the artist names on their website.

Would be fun if Guns N Roses just pops up on the festival line-up page with no other word... we still wouldn't know the line-up of the band.  :hihi:

That wouldn't be "fun".

I wonder if they will go by "guns n roses reunion" or just do the reunion under the name of "guns n roses". That does cause confusion.

Anyway, if they get announced I personally hope it is not a reunion lineup, I know a lot of people one though.

That was a joke.

Oh, "fun" as in sarcasm? Lol  ;D

Original Guns N? Roses Members Come To Legal Agreement

http://www.alternativenation.net/original-guns-n-roses-members-come-to-legal-agreement/

Obviously if they are selling AFD styled stuff.

Refers to this info that RnT posted: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=66533.msg1403064#msg1403064




/jarmo

Again...i think sometimes "those" sites troll the forums and just use the info posted here to create their copy. This is one of the best examples of that, imho.

I'd say they're certain, as are Foals. I think both will be announced tomorrow, with the third headliner not being revealed until a later date.

My worry is we're working ourselves up and that there's no announcement of any kind tomorrow. I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, but I feel like, to use the Christmas analogy, like this is the night before Christmas and we're all be expecting a pony under the tree but instead there'll just be a note in our stocking saying "Maybe next year."

Yeah, and then other sites copy what that site wrote and we got another story....




That scenario wouldn't surprise me.




/jarmo

Yeah but you are one of the most easily impressed people ever to exist.

Enjoying what? NOTHING HAS HAPPENED FOR 18 MONTHS.

Jesus Christ..... talk about deluded.

Well we shall see what the morning brings! With any luck it will be costing me a couple of hundred quid!  :beer:

What if the announcement is that GNR are performing, with no indication of which band?  Could you imagine that kind of tease?

Regardless of the announcement I won't be buying tickets- day tickets don't go on sale until later, and I'm not spending a second longer at that awful event than strictly necessary! Worst crowd I've ever been part of the last time GNR played there.

Who else will be refreshing the Leeds/reading page at 8 in the morning?!

I think a "reunion" line up will get a much warmer response & a lot of proper music fans will go just to see them.

If it happens it'll be interesting to see what impact it has on ticket sales.

                It would be pretty cool if the promoter or people who do the announcements go through all the bands and add to the drama . Then at the end as they go to finish one of the guys can walk up.


"Sir your forgetting the headliner..."

"Yeah , yeah can't believe I'm forgetting that. Ok folks the band that will headline Reading Festival 2016 is the band in this video...................."

(cue up tons of highlights of Guns N Roses)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1pAnrMxooM

Yeah, quite possibility.

I got invited to the launch party of Leeds 2002. There were drinks and stuff then they revealed the line-up. People were clapping and cheering when certain bands got announced. GNR came up and I shouted in excitement- huge deal obviously as it was their first time 'back' after such a long absence. The whole room just looked at me! One man said to me after "why do you care about Guns N Roses playing?" I couldn't believe it! Idiots!

11 hours until GNR is (more than likely not) announced!! A fan can only hope... But hey, it's in August. Chances are there will shows before this even if they did do it.

They would sell out anyway without a reunion, but if it is... Tickets will be gone soon!

Hahaha

This would be some showmanship.

If this happens...

And the headliner is..... GUNS 2 ROSES!!!!

 :'(

It's special (and creepy) you think you know anything about me.

It's certainly been interesting.

Jesus Christ....talk about a whiny negative crybaby.  :crying:

But we can always count on you to be disappointed,bitter, and Wrong. :D

Emily, help me out :

- band releases album
- band goes on tour
- band loses 3 members
- band goes totally radio silent for a year plus

In what rational universe can the answer to all 4 of these things all be how its a great time to be a GNR fan?  It can't.

In fact, the only rational explanation for the consistency of the position is to surmise that its going to be said, no matter what the circumstance.

Rather de-valuing its impact over time.  Which was the whole point here.

This is exactly the point. It defies any type of logic to a sane person.

All you will get is the type of answer she just gave me... ooooh you're creepy... or some other spin that she thinks is clever and/or intelligent, which it obviously isnt.

The only news today is that Scott Weiland was found dead  :'(

Indeed! Sad news.

Twas RHCP announcement for Reading/Leeds 2016

V sad news re Scott Weiland, love STP....  RIP

Au Contraire- I don't "have" to "try to sound intelligent" when talking to someone like you, it's unnecessary and wasted.  :hihi:

What other band generates and inspires such wild speculation and such a media storm while on Hiatus?

I'm enjoying the ride regardless of any outcome and timing.

Sorry I'm not a negative little whiner like you :D

So we could still expect to see GN'R at Reading & Leeds?? It would be excellent to have them on same bill as Chilli's.

Sad news about Scott. Had some of the best nights of my life watching VR on their first tour.

was that all started just because you said its an exciting time to be a fan?

also, terrible news about scott. makes me feel grateful for my friends/family. if this news were about someone i know or even about ax id be devastated, and i bet thats how many stp and vr fans are feeling right about now. my condolonces to his friends, family, and fans. terrible news. it happened so suddenly... just the other day he was talking about the reunion. never thought he would have died soon after that. crazy world we live in. life is too short to be cruel or petty.

Yes, I said it was an exciting time to be a GNR fan.

What other band could generate and inspire such headlines while on hiatus?

RIP Scott, did they find out the cause?

huh, well thats not very cool. oh well. (in response to the reactions to your comment, not scotts death)

i think the cause is as yet unkown. people seem to be assuming it was drug related. could be. just listened to plush and interstate love song. great songs. never knew they were stp songs. kind of surreal listening to them and contemplating that he just died/death in general. this has put me in a very wabi sabi mood.

Not yet.  There's some talk over in Bad Obsession on the topic.

I mean...I think we're all going to assume the same thing in relation to cause of death, especially considering where he was found...but....it'll probably be a few weeks (if ever) til they confirm it.

Thank you Pilferk   :beer:

I was reading headlines and saw that there weren't many details given.

I'm so grateful that all GNR members (except Ole) are still around, the 90's saw a lot of people get eaten alive by addictions that lingered on in one form or another.

agreed.

It sure is grand when nothing happens.  :rofl:

Compared to the band being on tour playing all those "pointless shows"....
Oh yeah, I remember that feedback.

Fans who wished the band would stop touring. Their wish came true!



/jarmo

When something concrete happens you will probably be whining about that too.  ::)

Yes is very sad about Scott, I feel really bad for his kids. RIP.

Yeah, sucks about Scott.  But this was how it was going to end for him eventually.

Shame.  Dude had a lot of talent.

Anyone know when the remaining acts will be announced?

If anything is true regarding the GNR rumors, it might be as someone said earlier that GNR won't be announced at any festivals before there has been a press release from the band that there will be a tour.

Who did they wind up announcing anyway?

Reading & Leeds Fest ✔ @OfficialRandL
Your first #RandL16 headliner is @ChiliPeppers ❗❗❗ Weekend tickets: http://po.st/JRCfu5 
11:42 PM - 3 Dec 2015

He said: ?I?m thrilled to be able to announce Red Hot Chili Peppers as the first headliner for Reading & Leeds 2016, as a festival exclusive. Their incredible live show will be an unforgettable headline performance at the UK?s biggest music festival.

?We?ve still got some really exciting names to announce and I can?t wait to reveal the rest of the line-up.?

Sad day, RIP Scott Weiland.

Im still confident about the announcement, Jarmo was very clear about pointing out that they dont announce all headliners the first day of announcements, see i can read between the lines!  : ok:

This is becoming a joke, nothing official from the band was spoken.

Axl Rose is a refugee in his cave in malibu eating bacon and eggs, and we are here discussing the future of Guns N 'Roses. Nice

I don't mean to be a bitch, but most refugees are homeless living in squalid conditions. Your comment is disrespectful to both Axl and legitimate refugees. Axl is a very private person. So you have no clue as to what he is doing.

Well, like others were saying the past few days, we are the ones that built this up this day as the day we find out.  We determined that, not the band. 

So that is sort of on us.

Your overall point about him being holed up in his mansion, I do see that point.  But that ain't new.

Fortunately, we are coming up on the deadline Fernando himself gave us for an update.  That was not a fan invention, but a direct quote from the management team 

Shouldn't be long now.

You guys have to let that go. You bring it up every couple of weeks or so. It's old, it's tired, it's played out. "Exciting times" may have been a poor choice of words. But she clearly explained what she meant. It's a matter of perspective. She remains hopeful and "interested" in where this merry go round takes us. It's not as you choose to paint it. She's not sitting at home receiving the news that DJ has left the band saying, "Yes!! This is awesome! I love that GNR is down their two lead guitarists now!" She's taking the stance that, the story isn't over. There's another chapter yet to be written and nobody knows what that might be. It's intriguing to some. If you don't see it that way, fine. I know you guys don't like her, she doesn't like you, but you have to understand that's her frame of mind.

We're all witnessing the same things here. We just react to them differently. You're entitled to have no hope for the future of this band, just as she's entitled to be, dare I say it, EXCITED about what might happen next. It's really not a tough concept to grasp. But by all means, continue the unfriendly back and forth if that gets you by.

Agreed.  The only thing we *know* is that Slash & Axl have spoken on some level in the past year or so.  Literally, everything else up to this post is complete hearsay.

...As for Fernando's update....Tick Tock....

So I suppose there were no news on that Facebook page you kept linking to?




/jarmo

Haha, yeah what's the news there?

Here you go:



Before anybody thinks that is real: IT'S FROM A FAN FACEBOOK PAGE! It's obviously bullshit.



/jarmo

Haha, I finally took a look at that page. What a sad joke  :hihi:

Guns N' Roses Reunion 2016
I'm not an insider , I have reliable sources . Rest assured , the announcement will be made at some point .

Guns N' Roses Reunion 2016
Del James , confirms the return of Slash and Duff to Guns N' Roses !
Timeline Photos ? Nov 24 ?

Well I guess the next date to look at is Jan 3rd when Coachella lineup is announced. 

Unless Axl drops anything in his annual "Happy holidays" message..  :)

Hahaha - this stuff is starting to get really tedious now.

I'm sure if it doesn't happen in 2017 some 'insider' will be saying it's 'certain' to happen in 2018. Probably the same 'insiders' who were saying in mid november we were 'days away' from a big announcement.

http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/90142

I somehow doubt the 2017 tour rumor that's floating around... Do we expect Axl to bring in new guitarists to tour with Guns N Roses next year, then reform with Slash and Duff the year after? Seems unlikely.

I think we're just massively in the realms of fantasy now. Stories like this are just flying everywhere, with 'insiders' being quoted left right and centre, who probably don't even exist.

If anything will happen in terms of a reunion, I feel next year seems most likely. If they have come together again, nothing is bigger than them playing together so it wouldn't be logical to make other commitments before that.

The only uncertainty is CD 2 and what Axl wants to do with that. If he releases it next year, does he feel a desire to tour the album?

The way these "journalists" don't check their facts or information sources is very disturbing about the overall  lack of integrity in the media.

Here we get excited, even though we know there was no chance. Damn, shitty day.

Let's not blame this on GNR or Axl. They never said anything, don't bring tumors against them

If nothing happens by the time Coachella is announced then it doesn't look good.

All you have to do nowadays thanks to the internet is one site come out with a rumor with some "source" and then a dozen other sites copy off of it and run with it in hopes to draw people in to their site journalism in this day and age is not what it once was.

We've had the "no news is good news" & "patience" tweets. We've had Richard say 2016. We've had a normally vocal Slash say nothing.

Reading still has two more headliners to announce.

Yes I still believe it's happening. Way too many things point right at it.  I believe we'll know before or when Coachella is announced.  Like an announcement the day Coachella lineup is announced.   

http://www.waaf.com/blogs/waaf-news/original-guns-n-roses-members-reach-legal-agreement-52261

When is coachella normally announced? January?

I know, but they never said "gnr is going on tour" for sure, they never said a reunion is happening, the only thing confirmed is a album, so don't count on the people who look at upcoming festivals and say gnr will play because it will give their article views. They have no valid source, literally today some body said 2017 will be a reunion tour and this one is saying 2016 will be... Ones wrong, maybe both.

And nobody gives a shit about the site anyway... Annoying, we don't need three websites saying the same thing.

IT'S NOT A TUMOR!

more and more silly everyday... ::)

nothing from nothing is nothing.

You don't really think that a festival promoter will announce a Gnr reunion do you? No way....the band would hold some form of a press conference to launch. At least I would hope so.... :P

especially the Reading festival after the last two fiasco's.

 Jan 3rd I think or Jan 6th

Today does not appear to have been the day.

Hahahahaha

I don't know why, but this exchange produced an actual laugh out loud moment for me. 

The set-up, the delivery, then the use of the bold...just tremendous.

Gold, Jerry!  Gold!!

Thanks for confirming   8)

I would hope so too. But I've stopped trying to figure things out at this point. But you would think a huge reunion like this would be handled a little more carefully than just randomly being announced as a headliner for a festival in the wee hours of a Friday morning.

Glad I didn't buy into any of the hype this time around.

I do like her, actually.

True, we don't get along all that well.  But she clearly knows a lot about music.  I've had several good conversations with her.

And, let's be honest, sometimes when it goes south...lot of my fault.

I do see this point you are making though, faldor.  I just disagree that people should be shocked there are fellow fans hoping there is someone at the wheel here and have some doubts where we're going.

Poor Scotty never got to see his band Velvet Revolver team up with Axl again. I can't believe is passed, great talent, the few year VR had was great

waiting for cd2 (and f's announcement) starts now. /popcorn :P

How are all those great topics in the Dead Horse section

But

This one lives on......

Next it will be this, weds will be the day...

I love Weds..

Hump day!

It's not just the "exciting times" post. It's her general attitude towards people on this forum. She is incapable of listening to a point of view that doesn't resonate with her own. Her snide remarks are just a tool she uses to undermine anyone she doe not agree with. She comes across as the ultimate pom pom cheer leading brown noser.

Of course this will all be refuted, but i am not the only person who has caught her out with this act.

I would think if there was news regarding any future line up.. it wouldnt be coming from festival organizers. You can  X 100000 if any future line up involves Slash. Any announcement would be surely made by Axl or GNR management.

So last friday was never happening IMO.

And why would that bother you? You go to a fan site and you come across somebody who's too much of a fan. That's a problem?
The problem is the opposite of what you accuse her of.




/jarmo

That doesn't hold much weight when you are the person announcing it. I am sure you love the adulation she gives without questioning a single thing... to some of us, the blind fandom looks ridiculous.

You think i'm not a fan? We've been over that. And it's been discredited.

It's a serious question. You go to a fan site, and get all bothered because somebody is "too much of a fan".
Makes little sense to me.

If you ask me, that's the one place where I would expect to find any kind of fan.



Did I say that in my post or is that your persecution syndrome at work again?

I thought my post was pretty basic.  The problem isn't the fans that you consider are too much of a fan. The problem is the ones with all kinds of conditions on when/if they'll actually will bother to say something even remotely nice. Now, if you feel targeted by that, then that's on you.

So next time you wanna post about how you don't like a person who's too much of a fan, just keep it to yourself. : ok:




/jarmo

Where did i say she was "too much of a fan"???? Lets clarify my point so you cant twist it to suit yourself.. here we go...

Emily is an abusive Poster. She attacks other posters who do not share her "everything is awesome" attitude or dare to question things about the negative aspects/goings ons towards all things GNR with snide comments and often times point blank rudeness which you refuse to address whilst always finding a moment to pick myself or others up on because we dont fall into line. There is a difference between being a fan (even a really really big fan) who supports the band, compared to her behavior.

As for your last point about keeping it to yourself, i was responding to a comment by faldor, on a topic that has been done regarding her, id moved on until saw the comment and i responded. I also had a second post regarding the topic, but you chose to ignore that one and concentrate on the Emily post. (No surprises there either).




 

I honestly cannot believe that anyone thought GNR would allow a festival to announce they were headlining anything before they have made their own announcement.  ::)

Sorry for finding it somewhat confusing when obvious smart asses are so easily offended by somebody else's behavior....
I've said it many times, maybe this would be different if you weren't so focused on the "negative aspects".....



/jarmo

Not offended.  Just pointing out that its patently obvious she gets a pass.

Not for "being too much of a fan".  That's ridiculous.  But the way she carries herself and talks to people.  Clearly, she has nothing to fear on that front.

Of course, given that large chunks of this conversation that was had last night seems to have mysteriously gone among the missing, none of really expect that to change any time soon.

And that's fine.  We obviously have all made our peace with it.

Insist... GNR Not Play Here

Any why was this brought up:



Looks like the other side isn't as innocent as they want me to believe.

And yes, the point remains, do you think you'd get that kind of responses if the posts were a bit more original instead of the same old month after month...
I don't.

Just offering you a solution.



/jarmo

Well, if that's Oscar's beef with her, that's between them.  I'm just telling where I, and a few others are coming from.

And also suggesting...hell, not suggesting, saying flat out...you would never allow anyone to talk to people in the aggressively adversarial manner she does if they were on the other side of your fan ledger.

The impression is that you see her as fighting the good fight against the entitled whiners and will never take one iota grief for it. 

My god, man.  I referred to you as "big chief" in a post to someone else last week and you flipped out.  Imagine if I talked to you in the manner she does.  I'd be thrown right the hell out, a la Jazz by Uncle Phil.

It's your site and your rules.  That's not what this is about.  Its just about not pretending this isn't what's going on.

Are we celebrating Festivus again? :D

Coachella 2016 Weekend 1: April 15, 16, 17.

 Coachella 2016 Weekend 2: April 22, 23, 24

The headliners for Coachella 2015 were ACDC, Jack White and Drake, so were are looking for one rock band to headline this festival.

Travelgrom who predict 60-70% percent of Coachella correctly are currently predicting GN'R will headline the festival.

Check this out-
 http://www.travelgrom.com/coachella-2016-lineup

Anybody buy into this?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=66533.msg1402746#msg1402746



Flipped out? Really? I asked you the reason for such condescending comments.
You've also told be me to fuck off.

So your idea about "your side" of the fence being all innocent and whatnot, I just don't buy it.
Sorry.  :)




/jarmo

I'll take a 60-70% chance, sure.

Or maybe there's a 50 - 50 chance of them being booked, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that.




/jarmo

Guns N? Roses

AC/DC put on a memorable performance to a massive crowd at Coachella 2015, so Goldenvoice will not hesitate to book another hard rock band. According to music industry insiders, 2016 will be a ?big year? for GNR; there are rumors that the 1987 lineup of Steven Adler, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan, Slash and Axl Rose will reunite for a tour.

With an all-ages appeal, hits like Paradise City and Welcome to the Jungle, a legendary status and a cult following, Gun N? Roses would be an awesome addition to the Coachella 2016 lineup.

Coachella is no stranger to reunions, in fact, the Pixies, Outkast and Rage Against the Machine are just a few major bands to reunite for shows on the Polo Fields.

Steven Adler, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan, Slash and last but not least... Axl Rose

So much for  "hybrid"   :smoking:

The pom pom cheer leader comment i made is just a reference to her attitude that everything is rosey regardless of the current situation. It's a tongue in cheek reference.

My major gripe is the same as yours. She speaks down to people, she is abusive, and she attacks anyone who does not share her opinion, and she gets a free pass on this for the reasons you have stated above mate, and the major issue is that we are supposed to pretend that it's not happening.

Anyway....as for Coachella... it would be awesome if this were to happen.... but april isnt far away either, im skeptical. 

Yeah, you do the same as you accuse her of, but that's just you posting "a reference to her attitude". Whatever.

You're equally guilty of being condescending towards those who don't share your constant bleak outlook on all things GN'R.

People in glass houses.....  : ok:




/jarmo

I don't think Emily is abusive. I think she is the type of person who gets tired of BS. She has been a loyal GNR fan for many years. She is probably just had her fill  of people constantly complaining about non existent issues. 

Take it to PMs.
This PityParty(tm) is over. :)
 


/jarmo

Well, once you announce it, you'll have to speak on it, I assume. Hard to downplay the newsworthiness of the move.

Can you really announce it, head back into hiding and say, see you in a few months everybody?

Imagine that. Some festival announces Guns N' Roses. No more details.

Months more speculation!   ;D




/jarmo

But whos going to annouce it.... does anyone really see Axl letting a festival announce it (if its a reunion)??

Guessing what Axl would do, (if its a reunion).. it could be announced on his twitter, or the official site...

Id prefer they do it like the old days... Call a press conference, if its Axl, slash and Duff of the classic line up.. set them at a table, let the press ask their questions... and at the end.. say.. seeya at the first gig. If thats 3 months later... i think they definitely can slip away and let the buzz build. In fact thats probably the perfect way to do it in my eyes.

Thats just fantasy in my head though.. do i think that will happen?

Nah.... probably not even close.  ;)

Are you sure you want that?  Because releasing that news, in that manner, given all the rumors out there...it won't stop the questions?

And are you prepared for a bunch of articles asking if this is the "real" Guns N' Roses that will be playing?  Because that's coming, if things are done in that manner.  People will be gauging if they should give a shit.

From what I've seen...you don't like that.

If you do it that way, you rip off the Band-Aid right away.  Then you can pretty much go back into hiding until the gig.

But is Axl doing that?  Will Axl want to have to sit 5 feet from Slash and have some of the things said about thrown back at him for a reaction?

How does that *not* happen?  How is figuring out how tensions finally thawed (and over what) not a driving force in any story written?

hahaha with no line up announced... this board would explode.  :D

I kinda wouldn't mind that.

In this age when everybody needs to know everything about everybody, it would be kinda interesting if they kept the exact band line up a secret.
Like when they kept Bumblefoot a secret in 2006.


Do I care what articles are saying? They write a lot of garbage already.

Maybe it's you who wants to have the interesting discussion again? "Original line up", "real GN'R" and other interesting discussions.  ???



/jarmo

I think if theyve done some serious work within their relationship on their own, then theyd be prepared for those questions. I mean... look.. we are dealing with 3 grown men in their 50s now.. theyve been around a while... how hard is it to answer a question like this.. so Axl.. remember the time you called Slash a cancer?" well whats changed? ... why cant that be answered with... yeah mate, we all say shit when we are angry, it was a long time ago.. ever said anything about anyone in your life? have a laugh and move on. 

that stuff could be brushed off pretty easy if they wanted too... thats just my take though.

I'd love to see a proper presser called and these guys at a table like the old days... fuck that would be epic.  

Bumblefoot was a guy struggling to be a household name in his own househould.

Not sure the return of the one of the great guitarists of his era, and the second most famous member in band history, is *quite* the same thing.

I would not give a damn about the sort of articles I described.  I doubt I'd disagree with them.

But I would be straight up lying if I said I was not terribly curious about how you would process all this, if it all comes together.  You've have a lot of plates to keep spinning, and have to grit your teeth through some possibly pretty unflattering takes on the matter.

It'll be a hoot.

Dude, don't go praising Slash like that. Don't you want to be on the right side?

Young Emily has a few plates to spin as well.

It will be compelling viewing if this reunion goes ahead.

BBF wasn?t that much of a secret. We had rumors of him joining the band. DJ, that one was a good kept secret though. I have no problem with the camp keeping new band members a secret. But if that is the case they better deny reunion rumors.

No plates or spin at all except in your head.

First GNR show I saw was the AFD Lineup, have been a fan of all versions of GNR, and will continue to be a GNR fan.

Pretty simplistic concept to grasp, no idea why that would be "compelling."  :confused:

So hiding somebody being in the band and letting it be a surprise isn't the same thing as doing the same thing again because it's not the same person.

I don't follow your logic.

Let me ask you again, if you don't announce who is playing say guitar, and it only becomes confirmed at the first show, how isn't that the same thing as when they kept Bumblefoot joining a secret?
Please explain. Doesn't really matter how famous the person is, if it's kept a secret! The keyword to focus on is secret, not famous. :)




I think you hate GN'R. Why?





Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time.... I heard that somewhere and rarely would I use a quote to respond, but it fits.  ;)




/jarmo

I do find it amusing that some folks are viewing the reunion as an opportunity to "score points" in the board warrior fashion, and watch others potentially squirm.

In the entire history of "I told you so"s....that might be the weakest.

Yes.
Ironic that these people think the ones who've been with the band through all would somehow have problems if any of the old members ever re-joined the band. Makes no sense.
Never mind the fact that the one guy, that they've been cheering on and allegedly supporting in their own way for years, has been in the band since day one.




/jarmo

Wait, so you never saw the original lineup?   :D

Please stop trolling.

You got people complaining about her behavior only for you to do that.  ::)



/jarmo

Lighten up, homeboy.  That was a joke (hence the smiley face).  Wasn't it you who said we take things too seriously...

Well, that's the way to shut it down, right?

Lot of interest in what Axl will do next, probably more so than in at least a decade plus.

Perhaps you come out and shoot down the rumors, and then while you have everyone's attention, you could announce who is in your band now.

Perhaps you don't do anything until the ink is dry on all fronts. : ok:

I have seen the sentiment expressed that people hope any sort of reunion doesn't mean people will just pretend the last 20 years didn't happen and that the recent line-ups would still get their due.

I don't really see that happening.  I'm curious how that plays.

I'm aware that it was a joke. But the point of the joke is just to stir shit up, again. Pretty bad timing considering the amount of posts that were spent whining about her yesterday, don't you think?
So....




Could you rephrase that please?




/jarmo

If this reunion stuff pans out, and there are a bunch of articles written about how Axl "finally did the right thing" and stopped fucking around with scab line-ups.

How does that play?  Are people going to stomp their feet and get real defensive about the past 20 years?

Or, would they be happy enough things are moving again, they could bite their tongue and not feel the need to label every author that pens something along those lines a total hack who is misinformed?

You singled out jarmo and said you were curious how he would "have to grit [his] teeth through some possibly pretty unflattering takes on the matter."  

That's making the story about jarmo, and not the band. And it's basically saying "Huh huh...can't wait to see what you have to do when you have to eat your words, dudebro..and let all the people you called "haters" run amok on the board! huh huh." in a slightly more passive aggressive way.

If that's not how you meant it..it's how it came out.

And then a similar bent was expressed re: Emily.

It is what it is.  I just think going THAT route is....well...sad, really.  That rather than react to the story, itself, you're practically doing the Snidely Whiplash in anticipation of watching the guy who runs a GnR message board react to the reactions to the story.

But..hey...whatever gets you through the night, I guess.

Great point pilferk...






Well, that's shitting on everything Axl and the band has done. It's disrespectful.

Don't you agree?



/jarmo

I happened to speaking to him when I said it, but that doesn't mean I think he would be alone on that front.

First and foremost, no, not really.

But even more to the point, those articles are coming.  I think its pretty pie in the sky to expect a story about a reunion should that pan out to also contain a bunch of laudatory stuff about how Axl kept the home fires burning with other guys all this time.  And how they really did some dynamite work.

I think there will be a real "well, at least that's over" type of vibe.

My sentiment would be that the author likely isn't doing due diligence. Or their opinions on CD don't really align with mine, so...it's not all that surprising that, in this case, it doesn't align either.

Lets face it: IF there is a reunion, there are going to be a LOT of opinions floating around from people who last really paid attention to GnR in 1995.  There's going to be a LOT of noise.  And, as with all things in the media, some are going to be better informed, some are going to have opinions that do (and do not) align with mine, etc.

That's the press, now.  That's filling a 24 hours news cycle in an industry that's now driven by pennies per click.  It's not specific to the music industry, either.

And I'm sure there will be some well reasoned, well informed, folks who feel the same way: That this is the "right" thing.

I'm not sure how we each, individually, react to those articles...likely on a case by case basis...or the way jarmo specifically reacts....matters much.

Oh, I'm aware you're addressing it at all the, what you consider, "superfans".

But the point remains.

It's about scoring board warrior points, rather than the story itself.

Sure, but...so?

Is the media always right? Do they always, 100% of the time, reflect your opinion on every matter?

And...did YOU hate EVERYTHING the 2002-2014 incarnation of the band did?

And, if not, and an article slags on this (these?) interations of GnR..are you suddenly going to hate everything they did?

I think you can like the "CD era" incarnations, respect what they did, and still enjoy a reunion, if it were to happen.  And not compromise the reasons you felt that way, at the time.

You're pretty over the top here this morning.  My lord.

Think of it more like this.  I'm a huge politics nerd.  Follow it all very closely.

But I am not an ideologue.  Because a big part of following it is seeing how things unfold, who reacts to what and how, and just generally how the game is played.  Know how people loathe Washington dysfunction?  Well, not me.  I see things are fucked up much of the time, but I still like it for the intrigue.

This would be the same thing, as I see it.  I want to see it all play out and see who does what.

No, obviously not.

But I also don't get my back up about the fact much of the free world does not share that opinion.  I understand and accept that.

So, such talk would not faze me in the least.

OK, so then why does it matter when someone you disagree with does? Or might take issue with the content of those articles?

They're expressing a similar sentiment...they liked some (all) of what was done during the "CD Era".

They just take more of an issue with an article potentially carrying what they see as an incorrect portrayal of events.  Taking a shot just to take a shot.

You don't.

We've seen that, here, already.  I'm not sure what the "reunion" factor adds to that, or why it makes it interesting. Or why it would make the reactions any different.

Other than making, potentially, the "volume" of those disliking the "CD era" of the band, louder.

Meaning those you disagree with get shouted down.

And there's the crux:  I suspect THATS the part you find "interesting".  Because thats very much what your initial post suggested: A great, big "I told you so".

I'm giving back what was given, initially.  It was a pretty over the top sentiment.

And, once again, I'm trying to point out some of the hypocrisy....and being a little indirect....and ridiculousness of this type of bent in the conversations.

If you feel that way, that's fine.  I mean..IMHO it's a little petty, and passive aggressive, and...well, you get the picture.  But the point is: it doesn't really advance any meaningful conversation. It just pokes all the bears and creates hostility.  It stirs the pot.  It's probably one of those things best left in your internal monologue....

As I suspected. This is pretty much your opinion and you just want to say it out loud with nobody minding what you say.

You just chose to involved the media as an excuse.

Or so it seems!


And yes, I think it's disrespectful to the people involved. Just because GN'R didn't end when you (generally speaking here) wanted it to and you don't agree with the band's history, doesn't mean you have to be disrespectful about it.


You're already getting some kind of satisfaction from hypothetical articles and how I won't like them. Weird.



/jarmo

But I am not the one poking the bear.  I just want to see how the bear reacts to being poked.

You may find this incredibly hard to believe, but I will not be penning any of these articles I've been talking about.

Me?  I'm fine with it.

Never gave Axl one second of grief for keeping the name.  Actually lauded him for it and mocked the others for being fools. 

Never gave Axl one second of grief over the line-up changes.  If you had a falling out with a guy, you have a falling out.  That's life.

But this whole "disrespectful" routine?  Now we are just back into that area I have never taken all that seriously.  Feeling I have to protect this man like he's this delicate flower or my helpless child.  I would not find any of what I'm talking about "disrespectful". 

If people don't respect what he's done, what am I really supposed to do about it?  Tell them they aren't being fair?  Ask them to be nicer?  Is this gradeschool?

I think this whole notion only exists in your mind.

Is it possible to have an opinion on an opinion without having any kind of agenda? Is it possible I think that kind of talk is disrespectful and that's just my opinion without trying to do anything at all? Is that possible?
Obviously you seem to think it's not! Which I find funny.

Yes, you act like this is some kind of school playground.  And yes, it's possible to say you think somebody's not being fair and/or they're being disrespectful.

It's called having an opinion.
But obviously if you share said opinion....



/jarmo

And, by stating such..you are also poking the bear(s).


Right, I know. That's rather the point in all this.

You taking "satisfaction" from watching someone(s) else squirm based on something someone else may (or may not) write in a media article who's sentiment you might not even 100% agree with, and that isn't even about the someone(s) you're watching squirm, is...um....well, I think I covered what I think it is, already.

Hey, it's your dime.

No, you've been a real hard read this morning.  I'm not sure where you stand on this.

Hey Mr One liner, please focus and answer the question.

Your usual shit. You pick out the one line that's a joke and disregard anything else.



/jarmo

Great points.

I don't think he can talk his way out of this.

Let's make a joke and pretend this didn't happen!





/jarmo

I disagree with your overall premise.  I don't find those comments "disrespectful".

Even if I did, sake of argument, I don't see where its my problem to worry about why they think that.

If you see value in the exercise, great.  I don't.  Like I said, its your dime.

Which is fine.  And the age old, same old, round and round dance. Right?


But, see, that's been my point from the get go.

If the above blase attitude was, in fact, whats up...then you wouldn't really care, or find "interesting", how jarmo (and the "superfans") would react to the sentiment post potential reunion.

Right?

No, I asked you: Is it possible to have an opinion that those kinds of opinions are disrespectful without having an agenda (like you claim I do)? Yes or no.




/jarmo

Yeah, it's definitely a stupid distraction...just like the discussion of Emily was, yesterday.

And I realize that, in this case, I'm adding to the noise.  But I'm doing so in desperate hope that, by pointing out the ludicrous nature of it, we might avoid another one later today, tomorrow, etc.

You disagree with me, pilferk.  It ain't no thing.

Just a difference of opinion, that's all.

And here I go again. Asking the same person the same question, that's been ignored multiple times, again:


Probably yet another innocent mistake by you.
These things seem to happen. Especially with you.



/jarmo

In my opinion, no.

Doesn't mean I'm right and you are wrong.  But I don't think that's just you throwing out a term for no reason whatsoever. 

There is rationale behind it, and its of the emotional variety.

So, you're telling me, you know why I think the way I do?

Please tell me more. This is fucking amazing stuff!
Creepy, but amazing.



/jarmo

No.

I'm telling you that is my opinion based on your collected body of work.  You are very emotionally invested in this all being totally functional and normal.  You get your back up anytime anyone merely suggests that might not be the case.

Ergo, it would more than likely steam your clams to have the past 15 years basically glossed right over if there was a reunion.  You've said as much, word for word.

So, that's the basis.  Its not rocket science.

So you know what the point of my joke was?  Or is that your interpretation of how you received my joke?  I ask because 2 posts above you note how creepy it is when people tell you why you think the way you do.

Hahahaha

Yeah, that was a pisser, huh?

Are you sitting next to me? How do you know?
I'm really curious.

Because if I, or anybody else, points out what we think you come across as, you get upset.... Ironic.


The only thing I believe in is that GN'R is GN'R. Things aren't done the way you think they should be done. That does not bother me one bit. I know somebody that bothers a whole lot.

I think the media writes a lot of bullshit. I think you write a lot of bullshit. Doesn't matter.
Doesn't faze me. Doesn't mean I need to agree with it. I respond to it, doesn't mean it makes me angry or keeps me awake at night.... Emotionally invested.


Emotionally invested? Sounds like you. Not that you'd admit to such thing.
Actually, sounds like most fans. People who aren't concerned with their online images and appearances on fan forums...




Ok, I'll give you a chance. Explain to all of us why you'd make such a post aimed at Emily.
Why, out of all people, did you post that to one person who's explained to you and others the meaning of original...

Sorry if I offend you by using logic. I know, it's sometimes lost.

Awaiting your response.  : ok:

I'm being serious here, totally disregarding the fact that normally I'd just think you're being a smart ass again!




/jarmo

Aren't you gonna congratulate me for stopping Emily from being mean to you? Being pro-active and all that?
No?

Nothing?



/jarmo

The shit I write fazes you, brah.  We established that a week or so back, I believe.

Your countless rants about "the media" also somewhat establishes you get a little irked by them.

Keeps you up at night?  No, that's ridiculous.  Bothers you?  Yes.

If you actually said something to her (no clue if you did), then yeah, bravo for doing your job.  It is appreciated.

Hahaha.
This is the creepy part.

You faze me? You wish. I'm sorry that you're not an important part of my life. I know you seem to think you are.... Sorry!

My rants about the media?
My opinion you mean.....  Sorry if I don't believe everything they write is out of mutual love and respect for the artists they write about.

Funny shit.




No, I told your buddy over there to save it. Before Emily responded. :)





/jarmo

A position I tend to share, for those wondering.

Because the "media" (and this isn't specific to music journalism) has become "clickbait" specialists.

They will write what is the most inflammatory, most over the top, most eye catching, most sensationalistic crap they can to ensure they get clicks.

I don't think these writers believe 3/4 of the copy they write, and that includes the opinion pieces AND the "news".  They're just trying to get views.

So....folks will have to excuse me if, when I consume content, I'm less "accepting" of the message than, maybe, I would have been 10 or 20 years ago.  Every media source has become Kerrang, Hit Parader, and Circus Magazine.

OK...rant over. For now. ;)

Since you have a problem with me editing my posts, I'll just clarify this one.

I think it was established that you think you have some effect on me because you think I actively go look for your posts. I explained to you that I read the new posts and respond to those I got something to add to.
You're convinced that it's personal, in reality, it's not. You just post a lot more than some others. Therefore many of the new posts are made by you.

The persecution you see doesn't really exist. :)



Exactly.
And it also seems like nowadays, many aren't exactly clued in on what they are writing about.
Just copy and paste whatever the other articles said, add something and publish it as your own thoughts...




/jarmo

I will! Congratulations for stopping Emily.   : ok:  That?s an administrator doing a good job   :beer:

Yup, again, agree.

I mean...I feel like the old guy, in front of his house, shaking his fist and yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. But, in this case, I really fucking wish they'd get off my lawn. ;)

It just pisses me off what the media has, largely, become now. At least stateside. News for profit is a terrible, terrible trend.  I hope someday we figure out how to reverse it.  It fucks up so much stuff.....

Except he didn't.  I'd agree if that were true, but its not.

At least, not yet.  Perhaps he is going to start looking very seriously at what he's doing in that regard though. 

Oh, I don't think its persecution at all.  I just think you greatly enjoy yelling at me. 

Its why its the only kind of conversation we ever seem to have.  It's all you ever want.  You aren't the least bit unhappy with the dynamic we've got going on.

The point I was trying to make putting you on time out was that while it might amuse you to no end, I doubt its a super fun read for the gang here.

I?m not asking Jarmo to ban her nor anyone. But if he is looking very seriously at what he is doing in that regard. That?s good enough for me  ;D

Oh hell, no.  In fact, if she were banned or even suspended I would lead the charge for it to be overturned.

Even at her worst, she's never done anything to warrant that kind of response.  That's crazy time.

Personally, having moderated boards myself, I know you can very easily have a word behind the scenes asking someone to cool out.  Doesn't have to be public.  Of course, that's only if you were truly interested in enforcing the rules fairly or not having your board junked up with antagonistic venom on the regular..  When you don't like her targets either, and you just sit back and laugh your ass off about the way she conducts herself...well, you probably aren't going to do that.

Seriously?  It was a first cup of coffee at work post.  Meant only as a harmless joke (that Emily hasn?t responded tells me she gets that).  You seem to be the only one who took it as a shit stirring quality moment.

I responded directly to Emily because (a) she talked about her ?first GNR show? and (b) she, and others (but primarily her) touts the fact that only Axl and Izzy are ?original? members of Guns (and not Slash, Duff, and Steven).  To what end is debatable, but nowhere did I disparage or troll her.  Fuck, I didn?t even use any bad words. (FYI, that was also meant as humor). 

On the joke to troll spectrum, this is clearly on the joke side.  And, while we?re at it, there are true trolls here (sometimes).  I?m not one of them. 

Oh, it's not just in the States. The printed media is slowly disappearing and instead we get click bait "news".....





Ok, then I apologize.




/jarmo

This Was:

- BLACKFRIDAY -

 :hihi:

Nope. Don't enjoy yelling at anybody, don't enjoy removing stupid posts, don't enjoy banning people.

Do you wanna know what I want? I'd like to see you being able to take in something, consider it and post a response that involves some thought. That'd be nice!

But I'm not expecting it. Just like I'm not expecting you to respond to my questions when things get "difficult" for you, nor am I expecting you to admit being wrong.
Track records.

Regarding me not being unhappy or happy about it. More like "meh" about the situation. As far as I'm concerned, it's just another person trying to make a name for him-/herself on the Internet. They come and go. Nothing to get all emotional about. :)





/jarmo

No worries, dude.  I'm really not as much of a dick as I get credit for.  D-X on the other hand... [again: joke]

I get (somewhat) that your troll-dar is high because you've been doing this for awhile and some people might say shit to pump up their online image in other forums.  Note:  that's super weird, on many levels.  Not me.  This is still the only GnR site I post on.  

What's funny is that we're really all on the same side [cue: sappy music, we're about to have a moment].  We have different means to get there, but one way or another we'd all like to hear new music and/or see GnR in concert.  There are varying levels of excitement for those things (e.g., some people would prefer a AFD reunion, others a new lineup, some CDII, some CD remix, etc.) but in the end we want Guns to continue.  

You MOTHERFUCKER!!

As for pumping up cred on other forums, does that really happen?