Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm really excited to hear about the possibility of Axl, Slash and Duff playing some shows together. There has been a shitstorm of media coverage in recent weeks, fuelling fan speculation worldwide not only in terms of what this means for Guns future and who is in the band but also what this might mean for the tracks we know are finished from the Chinese era sessions.

Opinion seems to be be pretty polarised. Some feel that a reunion could essentially mean that this material could be locked in 'the vault' forever given that Slash and Duff, as far as we know, do not perform on these tracks. I got to thinking that, actually, the reunion, if true, is a huge bargaining tool meaning that Axl could, in theory, get the next album released exactly how he wanted (unlike Chinese, as per his own admission), maybe even getting a re-release of Chinese with the correct artwork.

Long story short, the label may have wanted a reunion all along. Maybe all Axl wants/wanted is the release of his work for the last 20 years in a manner of his choosing. Maybe now this is the best time to get just that.

The other alternative is that I'm talking total shite which, according to my wife, is very common  :hihi:

Either way, I'm very excited about whatever the next few months hold \m/

I Not Excited

 :smoking:

Probably pretty low considering Guns N' Roses hasn't released Cd2 or whatever it may be called

Axl is not eager to release or perform new music. Yes, you can call that speculation, I guess, but if I only went fishing once in 24 years would you surmise that I was a keen angler?

If a hybrid/reunion tour were to happen - and that's a big if - I would imagine one of the most attractive aspects of that to Axl would be that he could once again rely on established material, but for larger crowds and more money.

And it isn't just Axl that would likely be less than eager to put out new material with Slash and Duff. They'd all stand to take damage if a new album was anything less than AFD standards. Why bother? What would be in it for them? Albums don't make money anymore, Axl is a notorious perfectionist/tinkerer who many would think twice about entering a studio with, and most salienty, anyone who buys a ticket for a reunion tour just wants to hear the old stuff anyway.

I'd say a reunion/hybrid kills any hope for new material altogether.

How do you know Axl isn't eager to release new music? He was eager In 2001 and it didn't come out until 2008

 ???


 ???

 :rofl:

Put it this way, if Axl is eager to release new music on a consistent basis and it really is everyone else's fault that he's managed to get only one album out in almost a quarter of a century, he must be the most unlucky, bafflingly persecuted artist in the history of music. And to think I always thought people like Billie Holiday had it bad.  :hihi:

Also strange that TB's reaction to the Going Down leak was 'great, now we don't have to release a new album', given that they act on Axl's behalf and he's apparently so eager to release one. ;)

It was a reaction to an illegal leak--

?Having someone jeopardize your efforts so cavalierly is pretty much a nightmare,?

Nobody's expecting you to do any homework here. That would be asking for too much. Besides, even if you read what's been said about the subject, it wouldn't register at all.


How odd. Your posts seem so familiar.



/jarmo

I'm not into cryptic crap. That goes for posts like this and stupid condescending tweets like the ones posted on the GNR twitter the other day. No one is too good or too self important to simply say what they mean. This is a rock band, not the Stonecutters.

But anyway, yeah, one album of original material since the Illusions. And note I never said Axl was reluctant to make new music or to record. Merely that a guy who supposedly got a stockpile of 20+ great songs and has not released or performed any of them may not be champing at the bit to have them heard. If that's too big of a logistical leap for you, well... *shrug*

Your posts seem familiar too. Mostly because it's the same 'blame the fans', 'you didn't do your research', 'you're making assumptions' stuff that you're known for every time. The kind that conveniently ignores that the cause of any assumptions, blame and the very fact people are supposed to research, hang on every word ever spoken* and every hint ever made is because the band doesn't keep the fans on the level.

The fans are horrible and Axl and the management can do no wrong and are, always will be and always have been completely blameless. That's about the size of it, isn't it? I mean you can't really reason with a mindset that tells it's fans they should be happy with no news after a year of inactivity, 7 years without an album and two guitarists leaving.

*up until the point it proves untrue, when it instantly becomes the fans fault for 'reading too much into it'

Agreed.

It comes down to how much stock you really want to put into the premise that a 5% chance is greater than a 1% chance.

Mathematically accurate, obviously.  Grand scheme, not great odds either way.

Hahahaha



Its truly an interesting approach to P.R. and basic communication skills. 

Think others will be adopting it anytime soon?

This is another of those "poor us supportive fans" posts. The band and management are evil, they hate you. Poor you.
Right.

Yes, you assume shit. It's natural. But why is it that the assumptions are so one sided?

Yet again, another observation I've made over the years.




Fans should be happy about a year of inactivity? Are you serious? Did I miss the memo where it states the band isn't allowed to stop touring after doing so almost nonstop for about four-five years?
I feel bad for you. You showed up here now. You should've come around in like 2009 or 2010 even. But no, you show up the one year the band's on a break. That must really suck!


As a side note: Another poster shows up here starts whining and then defends his right to do so because the band isn't doing what he wants. Deja fucking vu.



/jarmo

D-Gen, look at it this way, everything already recorded and unreleased is Axl's and Universal's property. Gnr material is Gnr material. Thus, if Axl and Uni want to "modify" existing material with Slash and Duff, whoever, they can do it. You assume S and D would want it all to be their own but we don't know what they have heard or what they think about it. They may think it is great and want to make it better. In the end, they are Axl's melodies and Axl's lyrics so they have a solid foundation at this point. If I am them, I would be happy to have a listen and realize the groundwork has been laid.

Maybe that memo is in the same file where 15 original songs in 16 years is considered a strong work ethic.

Presumably right next to the memo that broke down how "looking very seriously in regard to releasing new music" results in 3 people leaving the band and not one shred of proof anyone has looked seriously at anything in a year and a half since that statement.

Seems you've missed a lot of memos.  I'd have a talk with that secretary of yours.

Yeah, I must've misplaced my copy of DX's "Book of GN'R grievances. One for every day of the year"


But please tell me it's right to be upset about this year on inactivity. Please tell me he's right! That'd be amazing!




/jarmo

No, you didn't miss a memo. You just misread my post and then based the rest of your rant on what you falsely assumed I'd written.

I didn't say or imply that the band didn't deserve time off or that the fans should be unhappy about a year of inactivity. I alluded to the idea that fans shouldn't be expected to be happy about being told no news is good news after a year of inactivity. There's a pretty big difference.

Honestly, I know the management doesn't hate the fans. And where did I say the band isn't doing what I want? Or even what I want the band to do? Closest I've come to saying anything along those lines is that if C.D. is the last album we get from Axl I'm happy with it and I don't really expect to get another

Jeez Jarmo, complaints, complaints, complaints.

I see.

Could it be that the tweet was just a lighthearted joke in a time when all kinds of rumors were flying around?



/jarmo

Could well be, but in the wider context of the whole thread the 'everyone's a journalist' or whatever it was didn't come off well to me or the few people I know who've seen it. If rumor is all people have to go on, that's what they'll go on. Came off like 'these rumors exist', 'we are aware', 'we are not/can not clarify either way', 'you should be glad of this', 'stop pretending to be a journalist'. Seemed a little hostile to people who in reality are just getting excited about just maybe seeing their favorite musicians.

I think it would come down to how much they were involved in it, honestly.

I would think it would have to be a hell of a lot more than the few copy and paste riffs over top of finished songs from other people, like we saw with Ron.

Basically, they would need to have something of stamp on whatever came out.  Is Slash really going to be excited about shoehorning a few riffs over top of the myriad people Axl attempted to replace him with?  He's going to be little more than a complementary piece to Robin Finck?

I guess it comes down to how you want to see it.
I happen to not assume the band or their management is going after the fans....


You know, when somebody says something to one fan/person, it doesn't mean it applies to all of us.



/jarmo

Very true.

But let's say you are making a list.  Two columns.  One for all the passive aggressive (and some outright aggressive) little shots at the fans, the media, the universe. 

The other one for the times they seemed to appreciate the fans and did right by them.

How does that list look? 

maybe...we don't know how they feel

Why would you need to make this list? What's the purpose?



/jarmo

If the proposition is put forward that the management does not "hate the fans", let's take a look at their collected body of work and see if that stands up.

Unless, you already know how that's going to go.  Then you start asking why we should even look at it.  Kill that baby in the crib.

And just for the record, I don't think they "hate the fans" as much as I just think they are terrible at that part of the gig.

Quick example : "Complaints, complaints, complaints..."  Helping or hurting, something like that? 

That last batch of tweets about no news being good news and how everyone is a journalist?  Helping or hurting?

In a wider body of work, something like that that might even go unnoticed.  When its just about the only thing you have said publically all year?  Its not going to go well for you.

Those tweets are bullshit. The thing about the journalists is just Axl complaining (. Or whoever is tweeting.) And its not even a real sentence, those tweets dont bring anything to the table.

Really? To prove that the management of a band doesn't hate the band's fans, you need to provide a list? Wow.
I thought the opposite would be true.

How naive of me.




Quick question: Did you feel personally attacked by that response to one person's comment, on a personal Instagram account?

Maybe you're just looking for reasons in any place you can find them and even if it wasn't even remotely aimed at you, you take it personally.
"The internet seems to be, a big garbage can". Remember that? Maybe you feel attacked by that too?


Maybe I'm the only GN'R fan who doesn't think every personal comment or reply to one fan is aimed at all.




/jarmo

Like I said, were they helping or hurting?

Once you type it out, before you hit send, do you even make a value assessment on that?

How many times do we hear people tell athletes to think before they tweet?  Isn't this the same thing, really?

And as I said, where are all the great tweets that offset it?  Tattoo Tuesday and 'Welcome To The Jingle'?

Really?  That's what we are going with?

Are you done complaining about the tweets? :D




/jarmo

No.  But you repeatedly take issue with why fans think that, do you not?

I think that would be the best way to establish that's the perception a lot of fans have.  And might even show you why that sentiment is out there.  You know, since you are so confused by it all.

I'm suggesting you aren't interested in a list or any sort of harder look at it because you already know how that is going to look, all laid bare.  And this whole "geez, where are you getting that" will be a harder sell.

To paraphrase a wise man that often tells me : you have your perception of events, and its all you want to accept.

I do have a slight difficulty understanding why some fans think the management hates all fans because somebody replied to a comment on a personal Instagram account once!

Maybe "a lot" of you have that perception because you want to?

Axl kicked out idiots from shows, does that mean he wants to kick everybody attending out?
Where do you draw the line?

Poor you....


Regarding your whining about content on their social media. Is it possible somebody else likes that? Just because you and I don't really care all that much for tattoo pics, doesn't mean it's true for the rest of the world. I can see that, why can't you?

Why can't you see the reason for posting things on social media, and engaging some of your fans? Why is that such a crime in your book that you need to keep complaining about it? Why? Why? 


/jarmo

I know those questions are not for me  :hihi:

And the previous post I made, was rather complaining that the tweet itself sounded like a complaint.

 I don't have a problem with GNR having social media accounts making superficial statements like Tattoo Tuesday, or posting pics of babies dressed in UYI t-shirts.
Like you said, some people enjoy that kind of thing, a lot of pics they post come from fans.

However, when there are Superficial posts or comments on what seems like serious matters, it is somehow disconcerting to see half sentences vaguely saying something but ultimately saying nothing.
The ''what happened to no news is good news'' was a good post, just letting fans things are ok I guess. But what followed was not even articulate,  Who was he talking about?, why did it seem like a frustrated post?
Who was he even talking to? The fans? If I could read lips? what would actually happen if I could read lips?  ??? Those seemed like random drunken incoherent thoughts you would pick up if a radio of the mind actually existed.

And again, I don't care that much, but like someone else said it here, when you haven't posted anything of meaning in a long time, why finally do and say that?

To say Management hates fans is a bit extreme, but when you Cry Wolf it would be nice to have a notion of moral responsibility to follow through.

Oh look we are back to whining about the twitter account  :crying:

The airing of the (same repeated) grievances never stops around here, it's a year long festivus celebration :D

I think the main problem is that if you're convinced that the management dislikes you, you'll look for reasons to prove it. It's been brought up many times. People like to quote a reply to a comment on a Instagram post that had nothing to do with GN'R. It just shows how desperate some are to find these clues.


A silly joke, a tweet or something, and one person sees the hidden message in it about how he or she is actually hated by these people.
It seems like that's how it works. Unfortunately.

I don't know, it seems like I keep going around in circles here. But how come nobody ever takes into consideration the other side?
You don't like a tweet? Fine. Don't you think there was something that caused said tweet to be posted? Does that matter? Was the person asking about GN'R on a personal Instagram page really in the right place?

I've seen plenty of honest opinions about the lack of updates over the years. At some point it becomes boring. I get that it's amazing that there's interest. Awesome! Yay! Hooray!
But it still doesn't make all the "we need updates" cries anymore original.....

If a person gets bombarded on a personal Instagram account with questions about something else, and then replies to one person, it doesn't mean it's meant as some public service announcement or press release.


I don't know, it's a Twitter account. It's not necessarily a life and death issue. I didn't feel targeted.
Just like I didn't feel targeted by Axl comparing the Internet to a garbage can or when he made fun of the people with their honest opinions.



/jarmo

As I believe I said earlier, when it comes to TB, I see it more as a case of incompetence than malice.

Its just that, while I personally don't feel any malice, I'm not blind to the fact that's a big perception out there.

I don't have to share an opinion to be blind that opinion is out there.

But its viewed that way, absent them ever getting off their ass to give a public statement.

That's the part you either legitimately don't see, or pretend not to see because confronting that is awkward.

It's viewed that way because you want to!

"I don't like management. Oh look there's another reason I'm so right! Yay me!".

And yet you wonder why they don't give you specifics on every single thing you're wrong about. :D


I see many of the same things you see. Sometimes perhaps more than you see.
I probably don't see as much negativity as you see everywhere though. And I also don't see Axl in his tight little shorts like you do.



/jarmo

I understand the fact that you should respect management or Axl on the sole principle of ''You don't know what is going on behind the scenes'' that may be causing a specific, or a general scenario seem incompetent or  lazy in the eyes of the fans.

I can understand incompetent, and I can understand lazy, because I think every person on this earth has been labeled as such in one way or another by another person who may or may not be right.
I've been incompetent when there's too much pressure, when there are too many things to do, I miss something and then I fuck up. Its only human, Ive seemed lazy to people when my body can no longer go on and all I want is to sleep all day.

THose things are understandable.

But still, as a fan I also understand the complaints, because quite honestly GNR makes it easy for the fans to complaint. And that has happened even before the internet.
I guess, the main problem in this ''complaining'' debate, is that as a fan it is hard to come here to discuss the music and not discuss the business side of things.

Ive been registered in this site for a long time, but I come by when there's stuff happening, and for a while it makes me revisit the music, old bootlegs, stories, interviews,  Chinese Democracy, which strangely enough gets better when the years go by and the expectations are left behind.
When Im done with my share of revisiting I'll log off for a bit. But the reunion thing keeps me here? somehow waiting to see what happens next?.. which is why I say, GNR has a bit of a responsibility towards fans, which is not the same as saying GNR owes me something.

IF the rumors are not true, shoot them down. I would've taken a leave from the board already, maybe !

But the haze is still there, so I'm still here.

Very much agreed.

I think they make a lot of their own problems through inaction and poor communication, then play the misunderstood martyr card.  A torch a disturbing amount of fans are willing to pick up and carry, in my opinion.

If there is one argument I hate with this band, its this alleged premise they just have the worst luck and, damn the universe, they just can't get a break.

That's bullshit.  At some point, you have to make your own breaks.

Oh, I don't disagree. But I don't think it's about GN'R. It's how some people live their lives.

It's just easier to get your complaints heard in 2015 compared to say 1995.


I'll give you an example. Imagine if this was 1997. "We want updates".
That wasn't a complaint that could be made in 1997? Of course it was. But that was before most fan forums, social media and constant news about anything and everything.



If you want to discuss the so called business side. you have to remember one thing, you can't know everything. And no, I'm not saying I know everything or even close to everything. That's why you don't see me questioning the band and their management about every decision made. Also it helps if you manage to have an open mind instead of getting all upset if it appears you don't know what the hell you're talking about.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Circa 1997, we didn't even know if we had a band anymore.

How did that make you feel?



/jarmo

Maybe you should ban all discussions related to the business side !  ;)

To be honest I assumed GNR was dead until OMG.

Is this really what you think?

So what you're telling the board is, that anyone who has a gripe with GNR must be perennial whingers and live there whole lives moaning 100% of the time?  :D

Here... ill give you the tip on whats really happening. I live a great life... im very happy. GNR happens to be my favorite band by far... i take a lot more interest in them than any other band on the planet. I just happen to have a lot of questions and issues with why the GNR camp cannot be more transparent.. or give a little bit back to the fans who have stuck by them for son long through all the shit. Thats the baseline problem for me, and whenever the topic gets brought up, the answer is... you're a whinger.. you live your life whinging. Its a ridiculous notion. it really really is pathetic.

Is that what you think I think? Because I think that what you think I think, is wrong.

Yet another case of the old "let's see if we can ridicule a point made because I can't be arsed to read what it says".

For the record, before you put your own trademark spin on what I said: I said I think SOME people will never be happy. Doesn't matter if it's GN'R or the weather. SOME people. Not all, not everybody. SOME.

Pay attention.




I'm happy you have a happy life.
Too bad that rarely shows here.  :-\

How did you like the transparency in say 1995? 2005?




/jarmo

Nah, it can be fun.

It's just unfortunate that some think they know better than professionals. We're fans. Why not just act like it?  :hihi:



/jarmo

To answer the original question in the thread, I think Axl intends to release CD 2 regardless of reunion or not. It has taken a long time - but hey, so did Chinese Democracy.

The difference between a reunion/no reunion is whether we'll hear much of those new songs live or not.

Yeah, until I hear "No, I'm not gonna release the recorded album", I'm with you on that.



/jarmo

I don?t think people want to know what Axl had for breakfast. But this situation when everything is about rumors it is not good either. You?re right we don?t know what?s going on. But it is because nobody never tell us anything. So we?re left to speculate and complain about things we are never told or never happened. The solution would be to close the forum so we wouldn?t have a place to question anything

I begining to believe that The Vault is a just a myth and CD II is another myth despite the fact that we have heard about The General and Soul Monster. I don?t have anything a little be more tangible.

If you tell that I?m wrong and I don?t know what is going on. Well sorry, that answer is not good enough. You have to show me some evidence that CD II is for real. You have to prove me wrong not just tell me that I?m wrong.

Is the concept of not being able to speak on an issue until the issue is actually solved weird to you?
Just curious.



Well, you're wrong....  :hihi:
Does it exist in a ready to go physical shape somewhere? No idea.
Do these songs you mentioned exist? Yeah, I think so. What would be the purpose of making up song titles for imaginary songs? Besides, plenty of people who worked on these songs have talked about it.






/jarmo

We know they share files. That?s what they always said. A file is not a full song. Now if you tell me that over the years you had the chance to hear a full version of The General. And in your opinion is a great song with an amazing solo and lyrics. Well that?s another story. I have someone giving me some information.

When the singer says the songs are done, it's more than files....



/jarmo

I agree, but good luck selling that last point.

As for what's already recorded, do you think there are still songs without vocals?  Because I 100% think that.  

Yeah, what a revelation.
There might be songs recorded in 1986 that have no vocals!




/jarmo

Instead of adding this to the post above, here you go:

To clarify, your generalization is funny.

Nowhere did you claim that the songs meant to be released next are without vocals. You just made a general blanket statement. Imagine that. Of all GN'R songs recorded, you think there might not be vocals on all of them. Really?

I can make a similar one: Some unreleased songs probably have Axl singing on them!  :o
Your assumption is as informative as "the sky is blue".  :hihi:




/jarmo

Then let me clarify.  I don't think there are enough completed songs, with vocals, to release as an album right now.

I think that is the hold-up, has been the hold-up, and will continue to be the hold-up.

There has not been a release because there is no album to release.  I don't seriously believe he's sitting around mixing for 5 years.

We all set now?

So Tommy lied when he said there were 22 other songs recorded....Brian May lied when he said he heard multiple albums of material with vocals in 2000?

Yeah that?s nice. But the thing is if I don?t see any other sign of life. As time goes by, that statement is fading away. Well in my case, you however have the right to keep believing

Tommy was very specific in this. Axl also said in the studio with Trunk that they were working on a song that wasn't even on the first two records... That was in 2006.

I think the songs exist, I'm just a little curious about what's taking so long.

Ha, it's the million dollar question at this point, isn't it?  We can only guess.

As far as the songs go, only someone who hasn't been around for a tick would doubt their existence.  Hell, we have most of the titles.

You think you've been lied to?



It is nice. :)
You don't see something, so it doesn't exist. Got it.




/jarmo

I don?t rule anything out. But yes, I have doubts

"Lied" is a tough term because it implies malice.  I'm not ready to go there.

Think of it like this though.

Suppose there was a Danny Ocean type that was a GNR fan and he got tired of waiting.  So he was going to recruit a crew, break into Axl's Magical Mystery Vault, and steal the tapes and hear them for himself.

I'm not convinced there is an entire album there to steal.

Here's what I think: The next album definitely exists (with vocals) & tracklisting is probably more or less finalized...What I *DON'T* think exists is any semblance of a plan to get said album released.  And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how far along it is if there's a collective group of dunces who can't figure out how to do that.

I think they exist, but only in various stages of completion.

Do I think there is an entire album, ready to go, and all that its waiting for is the go ahead?

No.  I do not believe that.

If this is true, that's even more depressing.  And one scathing indictment on both the artist and their management.

7 years since the last release, and 18 months since the looking VERY seriously began, and you can't get a finished product out of that studio?

Good god, I hope that's not the case.  I'd rather think they shit still wasn't done.

Other than possibly final mixing & mastering? Yeah, I honestly think the next album's basically done.  And yes, I completely agree that the fact that they have a finished album waiting in the wings for whoever (not pointing any specific fingers here) to figure out how and when to put this out is utterly depressing.  Why? Because it can go on literally forever if it all comes down to Axl Rose stepping out of his room one day and deciding that the "time is right"...or the label to decide the same.  (See, no pointed fingers!)

  🎶🎵🎵🎼Why must you find another reason to cry  :crying:

We don't know the current record deal GNR has right? How many albums are left in the contract...

This has been brought up before but might be even more of an issue now with a reunion in the cards. If Axl owe only one album to Geffen, maybe they are reluctant to release CD 2 with the possibility of losing the rights of a possible reunion album..

Without knowing specifics, I think it would be safe to say that the agreement they have regarding future albums is somewhat.....relaxed.

If you don't know specifics regarding the matter than how are you in a position to say anything whatsoever?

He said he would look at it after Vegas. It's still after Vegas. He didn't say when he would start!

 :rofl:




/jarmo

Jesus Emily, you must be a hoot at parties.  ::)


Lol, unfortunately you're not wrong.  :hihi:

I have long assumed the only reason they didn't just dump Axl after the last album debacle was just that.  If there were ever a miracle reunion, they'd want the rights to it.

"Rose :
The record will be about, anywhere from 16 to 18 songs, but we recorded at least two albums' worth of material that is solidly recorded. "

-Nov. 1999.

Man, I was 14 when that quote was made....And I turned 30 this past November.  Still waiting on that second album, Axl!  :hihi:

It's not surprising that some would assume things from a simple sentence.

He said that he'd come home from Vegas, unpack his suitcase and fire up the old files straight away? No, he didn't.
Sorry.

If anybody is offended by any of this, it just means that they're not paying attention to what was actually said.
And now they're upset because these assumptions didn't pan out the way they had hoped?



/jarmo

Second of the trilogy, you mean.

Speaking only for myself, when I read Axl's quote, I didn't think that once he got home from Vegas there'd be a Fall 2014 announcement made soon after, but I would have assumed that by December 2015 that we'd at least have some kind of update on the matter of the next album.

Thing is, for any of us to understand why we're not listening to The General & Atlas Shrugged right now there's really only one person who could articulate exactly why.  And I can't begin to assume what his motivations are in terms of what would merit "updating" the fans.

For better or for worse, I have a feeling our update will be when it eventually (God willing) is announced.


Lol! How could I forget?  Let's just hope J.J. Abrams idea of a trilogy differs from Axl Rose.  :P

Fair enough.

I agree, I think once there's actual news, there'll be an update.
Not just "Sorry, nothing new to report".



/jarmo

And I would agree. And as much as many of us are foaming at the mouth for an album update directly from Axl, it might just be better to hold off until all the pieces are in place and it's ready to go.  As great as it would be to hear from him, just like in December of 2006, good intentions an album do not make.

I Believe Have Much Material From 1996

Err...Thanks Captain Random.   ???

I assumed by the end of 2015, we'd at least have some indication something was happening, but figured the target date was 2016.

Kind of figured Bumble was out.  Didn't expect DJ to leave, NEVER expected Tommy to leave.

And we haven't heard a peep in terms of progress.

Yeah, it's definitely all a bit...disconcerting.  But at this point, I don't want some rolling open letter on the matter.  I just want to hear new music from my favorite band. If there was a time for an "album update" it has long past.

I'll take a release date and single please. I think we could all agree that actions speak louder than words anyway.

I honestly believe that, in order for a hybrid reunion to coincide with new music, Axl would require his stash of CDII songs to be rerecorded with Slash on lead and Duff on bass. Fortus will also have to redo the second chair fret work in order to properly interact with Slash. Axl's shown a preference for having the same band live as the one on the album. That means it'll be awhile before new music is released. Soon is not the word. Tommy must be bummed, I think he said he's done all 40-somethin' CD era songs at least 7 times over the years.

I don't know, man. I would be really surprised if that were the case. After all these years I would imagine Axl has multiple takes of every instrument on every song, including vocals. It's a matter of picking which version, mixing, mastering, and making sure the current line up matches with the album credits.

Ah, there's why you are so wrong in so many of your posts- you assume your opinions and thoughts are true.

Do you honestly still expect someone to hold your hand and keep you updated on internal band decisions and progress?

That is clearly misguided entitled nonsense.  ::) Nobody owes you.

This reminds me of that episode of Metalocalpyse where Nathan Explosion keeps deleting whole albums' worth of material because it's not quite right... the band eventually go and make the record in a nuclear submarine in the Mariana Trench.  I hope it doesn't come to that for CDII!

Meh, it'll come out when it comes out.  Anyone on tenterhooks for anything from this band hasn't been paying much attention.

There was a time I felt this way too. But two things changed that.

1) 'I.R.S.'  The vocal recorded in 1999 is still the same one that was on the album 10 years later.  Never changed.

2) Chinese Whispers.  Several instances in those quotes from people there than getting Axl to lay down vocals is like pulling teeth.

I'm not Joe Namathing the premise there are songs without vocals.  Think of it more like finding out that was the case and not being a bit surprised. 

So, is "Hybrid GN'R" a standard phrase now?

Just trying to stay current with all the labels.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Seems to have caught on, yes.

I never cared for the "NuGNR" label, but it was a handy way to tell the bands apart.

No you can say Decaff, Light, Fat Free GN?R  :smoking:

I think Oh My God played a big part in that labeling.

When they finally reemerged in 06 they were back to more classic rock again. OMG was hasn't been played since NY's gig, no?

If Axl is to reunite at some point with past members there is zero point in releasing any material that is not from those band members

Who would promote the the record?  Who would give interviews and play concerts to support this material?   

I would think any previously recorded material will either come out as bonus songs to a new album of material.   Or it will be release on its on once all this reunion stuff is done

I think the best bet for new material now would be a one off song with what ever line up come to be.  Throw that song on a soundtrack of something.   Hopefully the writting juices gel with the band and they learn to work together again and we get more material after that

Zero point? Well, maybe the fans would like it. See, I could come up with a reason, just like that. So we're definitely above zero already. Yay!





/jarmo

Axl doesn't do things 'because the fans would like it', though.

Probably doesn't release music just because of that.

But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a reason to consider a release. Like if you're the record company, you could put that on the list of why it would make sense to release music.  : ok:




/jarmo

When ?

Are we really going to do this again?  Even after the Ron saga?

This Is Guns N' Roses:

THE SAGA CONTINUES !!!"

Good Luck

QFT motherfuckers!



/jarmo