Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Also happy birthday to TSI (1993) and Live Era (1999)  : ok:

both mediocre at best.....still pissed that such a great band ended on half assed efforts....could be a personal problem though!  :hihi:

I was dying for a new Gnr album in 1993 and 1999. Such is life.

Well Live Era was a Del James Project. And the band was not much into it. It could?ve been a much better album with live performance of Breakdown and Locomotive from MSG 91 or Coma from Chicago 92

I really like many of Axl's vocals on 'TSI?'  Really sounds crisp.

'Live Era' though, total debacle.  The rerecorded vocals, the obvious fake crowd noise.  That said, there are a few real standout tracks on there I really like.

Yes totally agree! TSI was way underrated IMO.  Live Era with the rerecorded vocals was a big mistake. Didn't need to do that. I did like some of of though. You're Crazy I really liked.

It's So Easy
Welcome To The Jungle
Dust N' Bones
You're Crazy
Yesterdays
Rocket Queen
Paradise City
Coma

Those are the ones I really like.

most alleged live records have tons of editing and manipulating....

Oh, no doubt.  I'd say they all do.

But I own many of these concerts.  So I know just how manipulated they are.  Fake crowd noise is one thing, but completely re-recorded vocals should never be considered. 

Some touch up overdubbing, OK.  But songs like 'My Michelle, 'Pretty Tied Up', 'Estranged'...these are totally new vocals.  That don't sound a thing like the source material.

I liked robins vocals on mr brownstone. Also in the credits they misspell Chris' name

The back-up vocals on 'Brownstone' are like spotting a bad toupee.

I mean, come on now.

I don't see anything wrong with it. Better than "Tracey and Roberta"

Are you sure its Robin singing in Brownstone, it sounds like him but it could be Izzy too i think.

Live Era could and should have been a 2-DVD release with backstage footage,jams,rehearsals and every little thing any fan is dying to watch.The vinyl is very cool to own.
Spaghetti,this I love !

I have unedited bootlegs that I felt were superior than Live era. TSI had some excellent songs, but too many were obscure songs..Would have preferred some Aerosmith or Rolling Stones covers instead of some of the punk bands..

compare the part with "I used to do a little" with the live era version and the rock in rio 2001 show

Fair point,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyOg9Q54HWE
This is the unedited version of  that same part sounds super close to live era too.

Tsiis just fine as a rock band doing punk songs cover album.   I really like a couple of songs on this album.   

When live era came out.  I used to go to my local hmv record store. Where they had the import version of this album from Tokyo.   Is used to just go to the listening booth and listen to coma as it wasn't available on my copy.  The album was something like 60 bucks hahaha.   I did this many many many times. 

Kinda miss record stores.   But I can't be leave I actually used to go and listen to music in them and spend time in them. Hahaha

Think about it.

What are the most widely available concerts?  The ones with the best sound.

1987.06.28 - London (Marquee)
1988.02.02 - New York (Ritz)
1988.12.07 - Tokyo

1991.08.17 - Stockholm
1991.08.24 - Mannheim

1992.02.22 - Tokyo (DVD)
1992.04.06 - Oklahoma City
1992.04.09 - Chicago
1992.06.06 - Paris
1992.12.05 - Buenos Aries

1993.07.16 - Buenos Aries

And those are just a few we have on bootlegs.  They obviously have a ton more in their vaults, all with great sound.  Many to pick from.

Here's the point.  Do those versions of those songs not sound great, as is?  Sure they do.  They sound awesome.  And were a true representation of what the band sounded like in those eras.

So while I could understand evening out the crowd noise and some of the sound levels from different shows so it all flows like one concert...why fuck with the music and vocals of the tracks themselves?

I'd love to see an 2001-2010 live Chinese democracy your era album.

Will the gnr fanbase ever be happy?! :rofl:

Me too, because I don't have nearly as many from that time.   Either with great sound, or just in total. 

2010 is especially weak on soundboards that got out.

Very true. I think we really should've seen a proshot (much like rio 2011) in 2010. Great year but nothing really good to replay on. Those who got to see them on tour had a good time.

The show in London with Duff in October is not totally terrible.

That one the MYGNR guys put together from 12.07.2010 was decent.

Bucharest, in September.  Also good sounding.

But some soundboards of that early Canadian leg would have been great.  Great setlists.

i always thought live era was awesome. ill admit im not really in the know about bootlegs though, maybe i wouldnt like it as much if it was obvious to me that it was edited a lot.

i loved its alright. they took a below average song and turned it into something really awesome.

spaghetti incident i could kind of take or leave. the vocals are great, musicianship is good, songs are pretty catchy. i agree with what a previous poster said though, in that id rather have heard more rock covers. would have been great to hear some zeppelin floyd or doors covers. i bet modern gnr could do some crazy studio covers of those bands.  

Did the band ever own up to re-recording vocals, adding crowd noise, etc.?  If so, what was their rational?  So many good shows from that era...what was the need to re-do vocals?

honestly the highlight for me on live era was axl doing It's Alright I love his take on it I even heard on an interview with Bill Ward a while back I forget who it was with but complimented axl's version of it.

Totally have always loved It's alright too.
Never knew the vocals were rerecorded.
And  Robin sings on Live era!? That's crazy.

Ha! You can't even give GNR a compliment on a good show "not totally terrible"  :hihi:

Some people don't seem to understand that TSI was not intended to be the "next classic GN'R album" and bash it just because they wanted to see an original album. The band said it; it is something they had fun with and something they just wanted to do and put out there. For what it is, I think it is an awesome and especially FUN album. Of course you can't compare a cover album with original albums, but why would you want to? It's not that serious :)

I remember Axl stating, before UYI was released, that they had 2 albums coming out, a soundtrack for Terminator 2 and a covers album..Apparently the covers album was remixed with Gilby, but not sure what happened to the T2 material..

My guess is no. But its a possibility.

Id guess that the Terminator soundtrack would have got only You Could Be Mine.

LOLZ

The entire post, and larger conversation it was a part of, was about sound quality of the bootleg, my dear. 

Read it again.  Out loud if it helps.  No one is judging.

Live Era is awesome.  I adore that cover of It's Alright.

I remember buying both CDs on release day from an actual record store.....




/jarmo

I've only seen you toss out maybe two halfhearted compliments to GNR- Ever.

Read that again. Out loud if it helps. No one is judging you because people can look up your post history and see you clearly are either bitter, butthurt or projecting.

Many of the tracks were recorded with original Guns N' Roses guitarist Izzy Stradlin during the Use Your Illusion I and II sessions and then were later re-recorded with Gilby Clarke. Those tracks were previously intended to be included in a combined Use Your Illusion album, consisting of three (or possibly four) discs, instead of the two separate discs they ended up being.

In 1992, the band prepared to release the leftover cover tracks as an EP, with Gilby Clarke replacing Stradlin's guitar tracks. They later decided on making the album a full release and recorded several more tracks for it.

Yeah, good talk.

But, we are in agreement that the conversation you so excitedly jumped into to was about sound quality of bootlegs, yes?

Just want to be sure.  You rather ducked addressing that.

Yeah good talk.

You rather ducked addressing my point as well. Care to point out specific instances of you saying something positive about the band?  Once or twice maybe-at a stretch and those isolated instances are far outnumbered by your various whines, complaints, amateur advice  etc. ad nauseum.

Post history doesn't lie.

Well, that's two cracks you've had at copping to it.  You are obviously dug in to try and save whatever face you can, however you can.

No matter.  We can all read what's right up there.  I (incorrectly, it seems) just thought you might step up.

As far as I remember (!!) they were talking about a "Punk EP" before the Use Your Illusions were released. Then it got expanded with other songs and became a cover album.

Gilby claims he didn't erase Izzy's parts. But then he says he kinda did?

A lot of people think I erased Izzy's parts. That's actually not true. Izzy didn't play on a lot of them, so I got to just put my parts on songs that were recorded. So it was a little bit of both. It was a little bit working with Mike Clink [The Spaghetti Incident? co-producer], just myself and him, and then some of it was the whole band in there recording together.
http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/gilby_clarke/




/jarmo

We sure can, my point stands.

Guess you're not going to cop to it to try and save whatever face you can, however you can.

Post history doesn't lie.

Emily, you were wrong.  Flat out.

You either took one line out context, conveniently ignoring the other posts around it, as well as THE REST OF THE POST YOU QUOTED all to take some pissy little shot...

...or you legit didn't understand a rather basic conversation.

These aren't great choices, I realize.  But those are the ones you have.

Had you just copped to it, I would then entertain your hail mary subject change to deflect your embarassment.

But absent you stepping up, I can't grant you that accommodation.

That is a good point, the popular myth version is that Izzy's tracks were erased, it is written on wiki and several more internet sites.

The fact that it was originally intended as an EP goes unknown by many, as well.

Actually I'm not embarrassed because I don't take the internet as seriously as you do, and Unlike You- I personally could give two happy shits about what anonymous users on the internet think about me.

I'm not trying to impress a soul, or trying to talk smack about a band to compensate for my shortcomings.

Hard concept for you to grasp eh?

Fact is you can't dispute my point because it is true. So there is no need for you to condescendingly "grant" a thing.

Post history doesn't lie.

You missed your window.  Move on.

Haha!  Hilarious that you think you can give orders here. :hihi:

Point me out some places where you said complimentary things about GNR without some snarky sarcasm or whiny complaining to try and appear "objective".

After all you have all these people to try and impress, Mr "Free thinker".

Already addressed.  Again, plain for all to see :


Gotta think bigger picture sometimes.

In this case, some short term embarrassment to cop to a simple mistake, in hopes of then starting a new conversational thread where you might make some hay.

But, again, window missed.

It is really telling that you quoted yourself there .

What part of I don't care what anonymous strangers on the internet think about me do you not understand? I know that is a foreign concept to someone like you.  :hihi:

My point stands, you come here day after day to whine and complain, and offer advice to and about a band that you have obvious issues with, on several different levels.

It is odd behavior, and the fact that you place such value on "embarrassment" speaks volumes as well.

The person who's "man enough" to claim he loves discussions but made a choice of ignoring me because, well... Who knows. Is now giving you instructions. :D

"It's not serious". Right.




/jarmo

I loved both "Live Era" and "The Spaghetti Incident."  My only complaint about "Live Era" is I wish "Civil War" was on it.  I liked on the live "Use Your Illusion" video "Double Talkin Jive" transitioned into "Civil War",  would have been cool if that made the record.  Other than that I thought it was a really cool live album.  Impossible to please everyone with only a double cd to try and capture those amazing 6 years.


As far as "The Spaghetti Incident", it was a really cool fun record.  I don't understand how some people try to critique that album as the follow up to the "Illusions",  it wasn't!  Axl's photo in the liner notes is just a shot of his sneakers, and the cover art is canned spaghetti!  I don't think they were trying to recreate "Appetite" here.

Weirdest thing, I think.

'Live And Let Die' was the only song played at literally every show.  Even the ones that got cut short, none before that one got played.  But I could understand its exclusion, so you don't have to pay McCartney.

But 'Double Talking Jive' was played at damn near every show.  As was 'Civil War', all but the 'Skin & Bones' leg.

Only thing I could figure was that it was cut for time.  That's like 15 minutes of a concert, those linked together as they were.

Liking discussion and liking discussion on one's own terms are very different things, IMO.

A discussion ideally is an exchange of knowledge, I think some people tend to take things spoken as a joke seriously and things spoken seriously as a joke.

Yeah, but one can still have obvious dislike for a person and still have the odd decent conversation despite that.  Its how I'd classify you and I, to be honest.

But when every single subject, no matter what it is, devolves into how much the other person gets under your skin, that gets tiresome.  And if I am finding it tiresome, and I'm one of the principals, I can't imagine the group at large is getting much out of it.  Its flattering to live rent free in someone's head, but its also exhausting for all involved.

And when its just one personal rant after another, and then every 4th or 5th one is inexplicably wrapped up with how much you could take or leave that person, that's Twilight Zone territory.  We'll just nevermind all the posts that came before it that refute it plain as day, up to an including the very rant you just wrapped up with how breezy you are taking things.

Thread killers, that set-up.  Every time.

Certain people tend to not like this idea of knowledge.

Simple as that.

Ever noticed how they keep repeating the same old even though you've told them it's not necessarily correct? I'll give you an example. "They haven't recorded anything new since 2006".
I have a feeling you'll have to dig up that quote from Revolver magazine again in the not so distant future. All because somebody's head seems to be full of information already and more cannot be put in!  :hihi:


/jarmo

I've got the Revolver Quote on file  : ok:

I don't think it's knowledge filling up that head, I'm guessing it to be a combination of delusion, fantasy, bitterness and plain old everyday Caca  :hihi:

I bought The Spaghetti Incident on cassette and later CD, and then eventually got rid of both.  I only liked "Ain't it Fun" and "Black Leather".

As for Live Era, I bought that on CD on the day it came out.  I liked it at first, but that was before I started listening to GNR bootlegs and realized that Live Era (as others have said) was a massive re-tooling, tinkering, and rerecorded vocals.  I wondered why Axl's voice sounded so amazing on Live Era.... until I realized why when I listened to actual GNR live shows.  I still own Live Era but I can't really stand to listen to much of it anymore.  Trying to make a live record sound perfect doesn't make it better, it makes it sound phony.

Regarding the cover album, did anybody go find the originals?




/jarmo

I did with 'Ain't It Fun'.

I love Pearl Jam's cover of The Dead Boys 'Sonic Reducer'.  So when I got 'TSI?', and heard 'Ain't It Fun', I could not believe they were done by the same band.

I had already owned and loved Misfits Collection I & II by then, and had heard the New York Dolls and Johnny Thunders, but SI made me appreciate them much more.
Which in turn led me to David Johansen?s solo career, which later led me to discover Sonny Boy Williamson, Jack Teagarden, Mississippi John Hurt, and countless others.

I think I eventually tracked down just about every original off of SI, but the Misfits, Dolls and JT are the ones I still listen to regularly.
Did stumble upon a pretty cool version of Since I don?t Have You recently by Chuck Jackson and Young Jessie.

Yeah, those two covers made me check out the Dead Boys as well.




/jarmo

Yes!

I really like the original Since i Dont Have You.

The only ones that i think are better or as good as GNRs versions are New Rose by The Damned and I Dont Care About You by Fear.

I know it's not cool to say I like this, but GNR did a really nice job covering the Skyliners tune as well.

TSI is a really undervalued album IMO.

I agree. For me its one of the all time GNR classics. I like the video they did aswell.

I think TSI is great. Matt Sorum peaks in that album. I have a friend whos favorite GNR album is TSI.

I like Live Era as well, i used to listen to it all the time before i got into bootlegs. I dont like how much Live Era is compressed. TSI is too, but it works in TSI.

Never understood why they erased Gilbys parts on Rocket Queen.

Probably in my top 5 Axl vocals.  Kills it.

Agreed completely, he shines on that song. :)

black leather was my favorite song on TSI would have loved seeing a live version of that song.

On a side note I remember when TSI came out and the biggest story about it was the Charles manson cover song which I think Axl I thought did very well with. I miss the good ole days of when the biggest issues people had with axl were the lyrics in songs whether it was one in a million or or a Charles manson cover lol.

Yeah, I liked a few of the originals.... Dead Boys' "Ain't it Fun", and Nazareth's "Hair of the Dog" were good.  I liked the original "Since I Don't Have You" as well.  Fear's "I Don't Care About You" was featured in the original DECLINE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION movie, which I own.