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It seems pretty reasonable to say at this point that they're on speaking if not friendly terms given all we've heard.
However, do you think the speaking has been through text or phone calls, or do you think perhaps they've hung out in person (whether it be like at a private lunch or dinner or at Axl's house or something)?

Is this what we have come to at this point, as to if they have hungout now. I am now at a point where that tweet about what happened to no news is good news sounds like pleasant idea instead of all the speculation which i admit was fun reading about at first has now for me atleast gotten to a point that i'd rather hear nothing until something official comes out and stop all the speculation because all these similar topics will be covered whether a reunion happens or doesn't.

not really, but a close source to the grandmother of a roadie from 1987
said they had exchanged lolcats via Snapchat for the last six months.

I imagine them playing some Mario Kart in Axl?s mansion

They text.

*smash bros 4

This would be awkward while hanging out

Slash: soooo what's up
Axl: nothin much
Slash: remember when you called me a cancer? Lol
Axl: yeah and when I said you're in my ass xD!
Slash: awkward....

I could see them on Skype chatting

And Axl asking Slash

Do you really have to be wearing that top hat right now?   It's just me here and you are in your hotel room

Slash

But I like this hat!

Haha

"All we've heard" has come from reporters, websites, and out-of-context quotes -- not to mention what we hear from people who believe anything reporters and websites tell them.  Which makes it far from "reasonable" to believe the relationship between Axl and Slash has been mended at all.

I highly doubt they've spoken a single word to each other.

I heard they were playing Rock Band together Axl on drums now

the irony about the rumors is maybe they're talking to each other again because of them

Guys, the thing is: IF they agree to do this, they will be ok ON STAGE. Forget about off stage, that?s their things. Aerosmith and Rolling Stones are doing this way before some of you were born. That?s it.

Back to the original question - Yes & I think they are exchanging musical ideas already

Plot twist: the reunion will be on rock band on the Wii and uploaded to the nightrain at gunsnroses.com

Why do you think this? What makes you think? I'm not disagreeing, just wondering

Exactly. Meanwhile, in the US of A a lot of lawyers and other Hollywood people are getting richer as we speak.

Palm---->face @this topic.

Why would you need to know this?

lol. I actually giggled!


+1

Yup.
Didn't we read a few months ago that Duff and Izzy were laying down some basic tracks together?

Just think that this is not about $ only & two creative forces like this would speak the language they can both understand the best

You mean the songs that were for the tracks that they put together to go with Duff's book?



/jarmo

were there any comments about the '96 recordings?
Did any of those songs evolve to one of the CD songs, or were they all scrapped?
same goes for the "down by the ocean" and other stuff Axl was said to do with Izzy.

I read one article that said they may have been speaking through managers and lawyers. I dont like the sound of that. Hopefully they have already hung out together, alone and just let it all flow out. No need for managers and lawyers to be involved other than to carry out the game plan that Axl, Slash and Duff put together.

Not really.  This strikes me more as a business arrangement.

Which is what all bands become after awhile.  Mick & Keith, Steven & Joe, David & Eddie...they aren't closing down the bar each night anymore.

But I'd still wager their fans have had a better time of it lately than we have.  I'm sure they got over the fact they aren't blood brothers anymore.

I'm sorry that you and your imaginary celebrity girlfriend haven't had a swell time lately.
It's unfortunate that you have to try to project your unhappiness on other fans without actually asking if they share your constant unhappiness...  :(

Oh, the Pity Party(tm)....



All the articles I've read so far are all about people guessing.
Everybody's looking for clues and trying to get the scoop.

That particular assumption is easy to come to.

Bottom line is, we know very little of what, or if it, has happened.

Edited to add: A lot of the news articles are just rewritten pieces about what some other site assume/guessed/speculated. On top of that, you got all these other sites who try to get in on the action by doing all kinds of GN'R related articles... More and more articles, but we pretty much know as much as we did a few months ago...



/jarmo

Good point. I'm sure everything will come out if/when they make an announcement.

To answer the question of the OP..

who knows... id say probably interaction via email or phone, maybe even only through lawyers or Duff...

but that's a guess. (obviously).

 

Duff as middleman absolutely makes sense to me.

If there is anything to this, I have to think that's how it started.

Yeah.

I can understand fans wanting them to confirm (I'm assuming this is what they're hoping) or deny these rumors, but unless they actually have something concrete at this point, it makes little sense to do so.

Like "no, we're not doing that" would bum out a lot of people. But if you said something like "no, those rumors are false but we got this planned instead" would be less worse.
Also, if they'd confirm something like "yes, things are better nowadays, but we got no plans", that would just add fuel to the fire... Like in Dumb & Dumber.... "So you're telling me there's a chance?" :hihi:

So things aren't always as black and white as they seem.
But that's just me....




/jarmo

Jarmo's right. People need to take into consideration things like contract negotiations. That alone can get ugly considering that as far as I know they all (Axl, Slash and Duff) have different representation.

They are in a no win situation at the moment... If this is a possibility, until things are completely confirmed, they can't broach the subject publically.

However if the answer from Axl's side of the coin is still "not in this lifetime". Then I think it's in his "camp's" best interest to put a stop to it.

Like I said, even if that's the answer, then delivering only bad news isn't a good idea....
Which was one of the points....



/jarmo

Well I just think a lot of people won't give the alternative to a reunion with Slash a very fair shake when it comes out... people will be angry... maybe I am over thinking it, people will say they should have told us and not let us get our hopes up ! That kinda thing.

They are doing him a grave, grave disservice if that's the case.  If they know he'll never do this, but they keep mum.

If you are going to deliver bad news, best to just come out with it already.  Letting it fester only makes things worse when you have to crush hopes, officially.

Of course they will.  And they will be right.

Another black mark for TB too, but its obvious they give no fucks about such things.

Think down the road a few steps, if this does all fall apart.

Suppose Axl doesn't want to do this, and gets the word out either through his official management or one of his allies.  Something like :

Axl has said time and again that chapter in his life is closed.  Its fun catching up with one of the alumni when schedules permit, but he has no interest in moving backwards.  His focus remains on completing the vision he started back in 2000 and seeing that through.  He is committed to releasing his already recorded new material and getting back on tour.

Now, who in their right god damn mind is going to buy that steaming pile?  Not the bit about him not being interested in any reunion effort.  That, people could probably see.  But I'm asking who puts any serious stock in such feel goodery about how he's supposedly moving forward with his "vision".

I don't see anyone buying that line that was already not the type of person that could find him standing over a bullet ridden body with a smoking gun and assuring people we don't have "the facts".

You have to wonder if Axl is being "protected" from all the reunion madness in the media.  You'd think he would have commented one way or another at this point if he was aware.

Which would be super healthy.

But even if that were true, his management is not blind.  So they would have to bear the brunt of that too.  They would have chosen to keep him out of the loop, and let a bunch of bad feelings build up against him.

Paleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze - that is fucking the single most stupid post ever, protect him from what  ::)

I have to agree. Axl is a grown ass man. What I can't believe is how all these GNR reunion rumours have just spun out of control. And Now Eddie Trunk is trying to backpedal and say he isn't making any comments when he was one of the main instigators of the initial hype.

But when a handy excuse is needed when something goes bad, they have trotted out that Axl was not in the loop and just had no idea.

Now, many people (myself included, full disclosure) have ridiculed that to no end as obvious bullshit. 

But let's face it, there was some pushback when that was questioned.

So...which is it?  He's either not oblivious, or living in the Fortress Of Solitude.

Of course. That's why they want the update. they assume it would be a confirmation. But what if it's not?
But I still think even if it's not, having something good to report would be better than only bad news...  Obviously for those who are holding onto the reunion idea that won't matter.






You wrote an update already so you can disagree with it. :D
Amazing.



You have to wonder what kind of ides you have of him, and those around him, if you come up with this kind of ideas...





In your simple world, there's nothing in between.... Just generalizations




/jarmo

They've done it before.  :-\

Who, and what?


/jarmo

During that t-shirt ban nonsense in 2010 with Madison, Beta told her that up to that point they had been protecting Axl from all of the online bullshit and rumors. Right or wrong, she posted a PM, but that's what she (Beta) said. 

Now I have no idea if that's the case this time around, I just think it's weird Axl's had zip to say up to now.

- Axl didn't know about an entire European tour that had to be cancelled
- Axl doesn't know what people say about him online
- Axl didn't know about the t-shirt thing, which made him look crazy petty
- Axl didn't know about the last DVD which Rock Fuel said was plagued with delays on their end

Ever find it curious that it's never a success story that was news to Axl?  It's always something that went bad.

Just on balance, and to give things at least an air of plausibility, you think they'd throw in something that came off well that he didn't know about.

Ok....

I'm 100% aware that what I'll say now won't matter to some because they choose to believe what they want. But I'll say it anyway.
The whole protecting thing. You're on tour, you don't necessarily want the focus to be on what some sensationalist media is writing to be the focus.

There's a reason many people who are successful and in the public eye choose to ignore reading things about them. Reviews, articles, fan sites, social media and so on. So if they make a choice not to go look for these things, it must mean they're being protected?

You think it's weird he doesn't say anything? I'm sure he knows anything he'll say, would be twisted in all kinds of ways. So it's better not to say a word.


Regarding posting personal messages, you think there's a question whether it's right or wrong?  :nervous:





Just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. :)
As usual.




/jarmo

I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I certainly wouldn't do it.  You asked for evidence to back up my claim that they "protect" Axl from time to time, and I presented it.

As for your prior comment, Beta used the word "protecting". She may have very well been right in her reasoning to do so, but nevertheless, she did it.

Sure. But the idea seems to be something else. Not that she didn't go and say to Axl "Hey, I know you're busy with these shows but some of the people of the Internet are up in arms about you banning people from venues because of their clothes!".

On that subject. Did you ever notice how, often when he tweets, it's about current (world) issues? How would he know about what's going on in the world? Don't you think news as big as this hypothetical reunion, he'd hear about it? :)





/jarmo

Oh yeah. Agreed.

Axl knows what's going on... it's been everywhere!

They do try to shield of him things think think will upset him... I think that has been proven over time... but not of this...couldnt even if they wanted to.

If I had to guess, I would say that you're probably right, he does likely know there's some reunion speculation making the rounds right now.  But if it's not actually happening, I don't imagine he'd be particularly thrilled about it, since the next step is, allegedly, another album release.  Letting the reunion fever spread might not be the best way to usher in another album from the Chinese Democracy era, if that is in fact the next step for GNR.  It might seem like a negative announcement, but paired with the intent to release the next album would definitely soften the blow.

On the flip side, if it is happening, I would also imagine that there are about a million details that need to be hammered out before any declaration can be made.  Which would also explain why Slash & Duff haven't said jack up to this point either.

That said, a little clarity on the future of GNR, however vague, wouldn't hurt right now.  If only because releasing the next album and a reunion are pretty much the polar opposites of the other, and it would be smart to keep the fans expectations in check to a degree.  I'm one of the rare birds that would be just as excited for the announcement of either of those options...But I'm a minority.  Most either just want the next album or a reunion tour, with most leaning towards the latter, and that camp seems to be growing larger by the day.

Maybe he doesn't know because he's been so busy in the studio.  Holed up, if you will.

Well, clarity might be nice but until it's 100% certain, set in stone, and so on..... Well, you know.... :)

Whatever happens, I'm sure it'll be interesting.
Can't please everybody.



/jarmo

Yeah, it's funny people are thinking that Axl (or Slash or Duff) is "avoiding" these things.  They probably conditioned themselves YEARS ago to avoid this kind of talk.  This time around is no different than the billion other reunion requests being made over the years.  Every single time Axl Rose steps out of the house, someone is probably asking him about a reunion.  Why do people assume the reunion rumors are any more plausible now?  If Axl were aware of all of this, he'd probably just roll his eyes and think, "jeez, didn't I fucking address this years ago?!"


Yeah, the way things are right now, I'd have to wonder, if Axl said "FUCK NO", would even that stop the reunion rumors?  People would probably keep saying he was holding out for the right time to reveal the news...

Very profound posts, especially the Fuck No comment. :hihi:

In this case Axl would have to provide the plan ahead in addition to just deny the rumors. Then the reunion talk would probably die out..

It could be the reason why there haven't been any comments yet. There's no alternate plan at the moment..

Until next year anyway.   :P

Ha ha. true that. Double true.

Oh for sure, and God knows we'll all stay tuned until we hear something real.  As cool as a reunion tour would be, it would be a bloody shame if the followup album was put even further into limbo because of it.  And I'm someone who would get as close to front row center as possible if it happens.  I just want to hear the rest of the tracks Axl wrote and recorded too.

yes, I would prefer to hear the second half of CD. But I will be happy with whatever Axl decides is best.

Or there could be a tentative plan, or plans at present-

the fallout from the last tentative announcement would certainly not be conducive to NOT announcing another tentative plan, and waiting until everything was in stone.

Very good point. Just cuz everybody and their brother uses social media does not dictate how Axl has to run his professional life. It's his story to tell. and his business to mind. and that's the truth.

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