Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Forward to 1:56 her friend slips " guns n roses is coming back motherfuckers"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9A2O6uK-EU


Fernando?

So it's really Duff's wife's friend confirms reunion???

Is it just me or did Duff marry himself in a dress??

I think she looks quite a LOT LIKE HIM.

First 'Welcome To The Jingle'...now this.

Big week.

Yeah....this is getting stupid.

She seems reliable.

she is very beautiful. They kinda look like Barbie and Ken. In a good way. :D

There it is it's happening!!   : ok: :peace: :beer:

You know, I?m a guy that doesn?t think that Axl and Slash will ever play together again, based on what Axl said over these years. But to shut down every single one of these rumors, we just need TB or Axl himself to say something, and all this silent makes me think "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

Brandi Glanville "Her husband and guns n roses are coming back motherfuckers!"

It seems likely that Duff could be the bassist for the next GNR tour. It would explain why Tommy was unsure of his own status with the band.

I just would not assume that the full old band is now reuniting. 2014 showed us that Duff can rejoin GNR just on his own.

Good point Mathieu!!!

All indications are full reunion so I'd believe that first but you're right it could be Duff rejoining too.

I know.  I'm getting sucked in, and I hate myself for it.

I have mocked reunionists for YEARS, and now I'm walking among them.

What is this?

Um...confirmation of a reunion. 

Duh.

She also posted a picture of the original gnr 2 days ago on her instagram.

Cool thing is, the last time she gave hints about this was regarding duff's return to GNR last year. No one confirmed it until he was literally onstage, but she always gives pretty good hints of things to come in her husbands life, without crossing the line and only for those who can read between the lines.

Her friend did talk to much, but susan was great at not showing any reaction ( not that i was aware of)

Still they're a great couple, from all i've heard gnr is def getting back next year, let's just hope nothing changes until that happens!

Rock on : ok:

Why are you such a dick?
I suspected it was some type of hint at a reunion, but I was asking about context.
I don't know WTF "Welcome to the Jingle" is? It could have been an ad, a video, a fucking commercial for all I know.
Never mind.

Back when though?

2017?

Sure hope we get new music before that

hes a fuckin bully. hate how he talks to jarmo. i wish i could see them debate in finnish (a translation of it). then jarmo would have the upper hand for shit talking. i dont hate dx. redundant how he relentlessly targets axl, his management who might as well be his family, and his fans. its a drag. too obsessive, too... smear campaigny. whatever though.

the words reunion just make me think delay delay delay. i could be wrong though. id so much rather hear cd2. those old band members dont mean shit to me. i could take them or leave them to be honest.

Or..... the friend is one of those people who has no idea that Duff isn't in GNR anymore. The interviewer didn't seem to know who Susan or Duff or even GNR are.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  It was a just a joke.

Just having a little fun with the idea that some drunken videophone interview is our latest window to reunion glory.

Who the hell says "duh" in any serious context?  Just goofin', man.

Got a similar vibe.

Was he just happy someone was talking to him?

It's hard to keep track of everybody who's claiming the reunion is real. Just this week we had this, Scott Weiland and the Argentinian promoter, all confirming the reunion. Am I missing someone else?  :hihi:

Hahahaha

Been quite a week in "well, that's what I heard, anyway" news, hasn't it?

Welcome to the jingle is a GNR Xmas T-shirt that was sold exclusively via Nightrain fan club. :)

Thank you

The reunion has also been confirmed by Duff's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

well, if Duff rejoined the band, does that mean he played on the new CD too? would make sense.

if any of this makes sense anyway.

Must be legit

Well going back over the years has there been rumors of a reunion more than there are now??  Where there smoke there's fire   : ok:

Just because a lot of people are blowing smoke out of their asses doesn't mean there's fire.   :P

Until I hear Axl, Slash, Duff or Izzy (we know Steven's not in the know) squash this than it's not going away. Why are they not squashing it???.......

Was the roommate drunk too, when he/she confirmed this?

I don't think this isn't anything to hang our hopes on, when there's some thing legit it will be announced on GNR.com

That was easy to watch, but difficult to listen to...

You must be joking

The site and forum has been run very well lately.

Why would he joke about that???

Cause that homepage is as much of a joke as gnronline.com was

Ah, another whiny complainer.

If you don't  like it don't post there. :D

Problem solved.

who said i post there?

I heard sex in the library at Sacramento State.

Maybe because they have better things to do than waste their lives squashing the ten millionth reunion rumor strictly for the benefit of fans who just can't let go of it?

The only people suffering from bullshit reunion rumors are the people believing in them.  Not the band members.

Like I said, just tweet "No reunion guys, all these rumors are false.". Easy. 7 seconds.

why? that's free big publicity

To publicize what exactly??

It does keep the brand name "Guns N' Roses" out there.

poor way to do this, don?t you think?

What also makes me wonder is the fact that Slash refuses to say anything about it, even if just to say there's nothing to it. So far he has kept his silence and won't even comment on it.

Nothing is going on with the band, but still the media are writing about them day in and day out, keeping them relevant without them having to do anything. Not a poor way seen from marketing perspective. Many people weren't even born in the 80s and reading about them in the media now is one of the ways the fan base keeps on growing.

Nikki Sixx says "any publicity is good" but I don't exactly embrace that concept.

One has to assume him and Axl are up to something. The money would be crazy

It's about inches folks, inches....





































Column inches and the media's need to fill 'em..... Truth doesn't necessary come in to it  ;)

The band doesn't squash the rumors because the speculation helps keep the "Brand" out there. Even the tweets are vague. Don't think for a moment that that's not on purpose. It benefits the originals who stand to gain (any publicity which promotes their band and helps to sell albums). The members who are still (are they?) in the band want to keep their jobs, so they'll stay quiet.

That's why I don't get why moderators and other posters here piss on others who speculate on Band Activity (or lack of).

But in what context, though?

Great news, everybody.  Axl Rose may have finally given up the ghost of touring with a bunch of nobodies and might be open to reuniting the line-up you know and love.

Isn't that the tenor of most things you read?  They all have the undercurrent of our long national nightmare being over.

I know some here take great offense to that, but you can't deny that's how it comes across.

Letting all this talk go unchecked, if there really is nothing to it, is going to make continuing with a new pack of randos that much harder.

Yeah, but as I posted above, maybe that what they want. Anything that keeps people speculating helps keep the brand out there. Benefits everyone. What I don't get is that if this is the case...why do certain people get pissed when fans speculate on a certain board?

I'm not sure I see the upside here.

Like it or not, if people are thinking reunion, word coming down that the next move is more touring with new random faces is going to seem like a distant second of a consolation prize.

I agree with this

I can see in the eyes of the general public.  If a north American tour was to be announced and after all this hype of a reunion  All we got was Axl and a couple more unknown musicians.   It would be a epic bomb

Now there's a fucking surprise!

Kidding.



The media focusing on the hypothetical reunion could be better than them not writing about GN'R at all.
Yes, some who read it actually believe it's already a done deal and it'll happen whenever the article states it's gonna happen. The rest are in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp.

Anyway, I still think this thing has been cropping up constantly over the years and GN'R hasn't really said a whole lot about it then either.




/jarmo

Bridge... you are always so adamant that there is no chance it's happening. Care to elaborate? or are you just speculating the other side of the coin?

Well for the time being, there truly is nothing to say about GNR other than a possible hypothetical reunion. There is no music on the horizon, and the two lead guitar players departed. So until we are given any info, the media has nothing else to say regarding GNR.

AND even though it always seems to upset a handful of people, music publications will always run with this reunion stuff due to the magnitude of GNR.

But do you agree that it's a little different than before?  There seems to be more legitimacy to the rumor (partly because of the comments of Slash and others).  Plus, in the past Axl has forcefully denied reunion rumors.  ?What's clear is that one of the two of us will die before a reunion and however sad, ugly or unfortunate anyone views it, it is how it is.?  That was Axl in 2009.  We haven't heard anything like that this time around.

Axl loses this time around.

Like it or not, reasonable or not, that little Slash blurb changed the game in the eyes of the many.

Yes, that part I agree with.

But, in 2011-2 it was pretty similar. All the signs were pointing to that magical reunion in Cleveland.
Until Axl said "nope".


/jarmo

I still think a good part of this is clinging to the reunion stuff because the alternative is really shitty.

Why are people leaving the band?  Because there is a reunion on the horizon. 

Why is there zero tangible progress on a new album?  Because there is a reunion on the horizon.

But what if there is no reunion on the horizon?  Then, people are going to be forced to confront that there is no real plan.  Most of us suspect that anyway, but this would drive it home to anyone being remotely realistic.

The reunion is the way to explain it all away.

Maybe people left because there was no progress on a new album.
Maybe there's a reunion because there's no progress on a new album.

I am sticking to the facts as opposed to the speculation.  Every original GNR member has been saying for decades that there will not be a reunion.  Those statements have never been more strong (and often vitriolic) as they have been in recent years.  Slash has repeatedly said "no reunion".  Axl has called Slash a "cancer" and stated that there is "zero possibility" that he'll ever have anything to do with Slash.  Axl has said "not in this lifetime".

I've referred to these incidents time and time again, but nobody on this board listens.  They're too wrapped up in their newest shtick, "but...but...but....things can change!", despite that history has shown us that NOTHING has changed.  And let's not forget that ALL of this bullshit originated from ONE Slash comment that everybody took WAY out of context.... a comment that Slash himself is now avoiding like the plague.

If history has proven anything, it's that the anti-reunion statements from Axl and Slash are far stronger than the ridiculous theories contrived by people on this board who twist and stretch rationality any way they can to make all these alleged "hints" mean what they want them to mean.

Seriously, how many recent threads have appeared where people are desperately trying to make 2+2=5?  And arguing it until it actually seems reasonable in their own minds?

FACT: Axl has said repeatedly that he'll never reunite with Slash, never in this lifetime.  Axl clearly stated that he or Slash would die before that happened.

Until a RELIABLE source explicitly states otherwise, I'll take Axl's (very concrete) words over the hundreds of pages of "I'm so desperate for a reunion that I will believe anything" bullshit that keeps appearing on this board.


First of all, neither Axl nor Slash owes you that.

Secondly, like that would help!   :P  You'd still find a way to make those comments mean a reunion is on the horizon.

Axl and Slash could try to physically kill each other out of pure hatred and people would say it's a reunion ploy.  The gullible will believe anything, and rationalize it in every twisted way until it means what they want it to mean.

Everything Bridge just said is accurate, really.

Firstly... I don't think it will happen. But to say it 100 percent won't... you can't know that.

As for Slash, he has hinted over the years that it's not likely, but he has never said that he would not take part in a
reunion... ever. So I think you are wrong there.

Axl... yes he has been adamant over the years. However, Duff's return is a very big factor that very well could have changed his perspective. Not saying it has or will, but I think it could be a big factor for "things to change".

So again, I don't think it's likely, I just don't think that it's impossible like you obviously do.


DX... You're right... I'm terrified of the alternative.

What are you terrified of exactly?




You think they would've stayed if Axl had announced a new album without their input on them?'


/jarmo

It's no god damn good, that's for sure.

Suppose Axl re-emerges from Witness Protection in 2017 sometime.  Announces some dates on the far side of the world.  Who will be on stage with him?  Just have to wait and see.  Has all this time been used to finish up an album?  Well, nothing to report on that yet, but the "work" continues.

How is that any good?  What the hell have you been doing, guy?

Taking a break!

 :P



/jarmo

There will never come a time when we appear onstage again because the [Guns N Roses] name has been too fucking tainted.  Maybe we could've reunited for one gig if he hadn't used the name, but nobody is gonna go near it now.

-- Slash, 2002

Don't waste time arguing that it was a long time ago, because it still refutes your assertion that Slash never said never.




No, I can't know that and didn't say I "knew" that.  I clearly stated that I require PROOF before I believe that -- which is what anybody has to have in order to KNOW.




Yes, he has.  Which completely overrules and overpowers your theories here....


Which is my point.  Your statements here are exactly what I am talking about.  You're taking something that doesn't at all signify a full-blown reunion, and you're tugging it in that direction because of what you want to believe it "could be".

Duff didn't "return".  He rejoined Axl for what was really a brief stay.  Axl always said Duff was welcome back, but that Slash wasn't.  Axl stated all of this as recently as 2012, when he declined to appear at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.

In any case, your theories are a prime example of what I will continue to disregard until I hear news from a reliable source that a reunion will happen.  Like I said, I base my beliefs on the facts, this board bases theirs on conjecture and speculation.  And facts and speculation aren't equals, despite the best efforts of the reunion crowd to make the rumors mean as much.

But Axl didn't always say Duff was welcomed back.  Listen to Axl's '02 concert rants...not really extending an olive branch to Duff (or Izzy for that matter). 

I think the point is that Axl has, in the past, forcefully denounced reunion rumors.  He did it in '09 and again during the HOF fame inductions.  This time...well, there's been nothing.  IMO, it's reasonable to think that maybe things have changed, and it's not off the wall for fans to think that.

Yeah, but Slash remained an outcast even when Axl said he'd play with Duff or Izzy. Axl has been completely consistent with his feelings on Slash.


Once again, you're proving my point.  You're using a ridiculous theory on when and where Axl commented on a reunion and making it mean what you want it to mean.

What do you mean "this time?"  Reunion rumors have existed for 20 years.  Why would Axl care more about them more now than before?  Because you and your message board buds think he's paying that much attention to what you're saying on the internet?

More than likely, Axl is too sick of it to comment anymore.  It's an old hat to him; he's addressed the rumors very definitively, and people still can't accept what he has said many, many times.

But isn't that just blind hope?

And can't you just as easily argue the opposite?  Since he hasn't come out and reaffirmed his no, does that make it a yes?

I'm not arguing with you that you're wrong in ur overall thought process. You just seem to state it in a fashion where you have some more insight then the rest of us, that's why I asked.

I would be very disappointed by a new lineup .. I have rolled with all of them over time, but I think enough is enough. If the touring band has a couple of new players with no connection to the music... That's not what I'm looking for/hoping for going forward.

Give me the real deal. I don't even need to it be the Appetite 5... Give me Buckethead and Robin ( I realize that may be an even bigger pipe dream) ... just not x y and z.

That's because I'm the kind who is always going to be skeptical and play devil's advocate rather than get sucked down into the rumor hole.  The "insight" that I have is to always look straight at the facts and not give any credence to unproven rumors.  If nobody else is doing that, then of course I'm going to seem different to you/them.



D-Gen, am I making a reunion skeptic out of you again, in spite of yourself?   :hihi:

Hahaha.  Somewhat.

I openly hate myself for being sucked into this.  But the things that you say certainly have validity.

I will not be the least bit surprised if the next time we hear from Axl he :

- laughs off the reunion question
- has no update on a new album
- can't even tell us who is in the band

Who would be surprised by that?

Soooo, you'd be disappointed if GN'R started again and you don't get to choose who's in the band because some people chose to quit...

Is it fair to assume you're as happy as a pig in shit right now since your biggest fear hasn't happened? ;)



/jarmo

Each successive replacement line-up becomes less legitimate in my eyes.

I know some can take great solace with what a ticket stub says, but I am not that guy.

A copy of copy of copy of a copy is just that...watered down as fuck.

At what point will you leave the fan sites because it's not the band you wanted it to be anymore?
Considering 4/5 of the guys that made AFD have been gone for almost 20 years, you're still around.... Surely a new line up wouldn't be a big deal of you managed to get over the old band breaking up?

Or is there some kind of magical formula that you constructed in your mind about how many times a position can be filled in a band?



/jarmo

Yes... I would be disappointed if Axl comes out with a whole new Guns N Rose again playing a set list with no new songs...

SUE ME !

Not saying it wouldn't be good, or I wouldn't follow it, but i'd be dissapointed...yes.

And were you disappointed in December 2009? May 2006?




/jarmo

For me it would debend on what kinda new lineup we are talking about.   If it was a new lineup compiled out of ex players that has come back.  Well that would be ok.  A new line up complied with a bunch of new faces   Well I wouldn't be so happy about that

As much as we talk about things that happend 20-30 years ago with this band

This is still a band that relies on playing those same songs that were released back in 1987

I would love a concert with a mish mash line up playing every era of music   Especially new unreleased music

This would be less of an issue if each successive lineup had made their own mark (i.e. released their own music under the Guns banner).  Instead, each successive lineup is still largely relying on AFD and UYI.  Your watered down comment is spot on.

I disagree. I loved all the shows that I saw. It's like long running Broadway musicals like Les Miz and Lion King. The performers change from time to time but they all bring something new to keep it fresh. I seriously wouldn't have flown all the way to NYC for just one night to see GNR at the Brooklyn Bowl if i didn't think it was going to be a once in a lifetime performance. same thing with flying to LA to see Axl get the lifetime achievement award at the Golden Gods.

So your suggestion is that unless you can get the guys who recorded the songs together in concert, the band shouldn't play those songs?
What if that's not possible. Are you ok with a different line up playing those songs or would you rather have no band at all?

I mean, as things are right at this moment, there's nothing going on. So that must be exciting. No setlist to complain about, no "watered down" band to bother you, no lack of promotion to comment on day after day..... Good times!



/jarmo

That would solve a lot of problems, actually.

Public credibility, commercial viability, relevance.  Just to name a few. 

Might not solve them completely, and of course, we don't have a crystal ball.  But we can see what the 15 songs in 15 years "plan" has wrought, haven't we?

Yeah, because the general public would really accept the band if only they had released more music... Right.
"Well, it's not the same without Slash but thank God they released all these albums so it's ok". You believe in that?

Also, what do you know about commercial viability? Isn't it time you stopped repeating things that you've got no idea about by now?

Whatever the problem is at your end, and whether or not you got all the solutions to fix them, doesn't mean it's true for the world outside your sandbox. :)



/jarmo

The UYI lineup is where it finished for me.

Glad we got that sorted.



/jarmo

lol.. always happy to chip in mate  ;)

I think releasing more albums would've helped cement the band's identity in the public mind, it would've cemented the sound, and it would've justified for a wider audience the wait. Look at Black Sabbath: That band existed for a decade with only one original member, but you didn't really see the level of hate that the new band gets, because the band continued releasing material steadily and the new lineup(s) were able to establish their own identity and sound in the mainstream.

As it is, Chinese Democracy unfortunately sticks out like a sore dumb in GN'R's discography. You have 5 albums with general the same guys and crew and generally the same sound, and then a 15 year gap with a totally different set of guys, crew and sound. If Chinese Democracy had been released in 1999, it would've been a big hit, and if it had been followed up with a succession of albums on a regular basis, I think the mainstream, general public would've accepted a post-Slash GN'R a lot more than they did. That's just my opinion. I know I would've personally loved more music and stuff that was more in an experimental vein than CD, too.

This, this and this. It's how the majority of fans view it too.

Whether you had fun at a concert has absolutely no bearing on the legitimacy of successive lineups and whether they would have had more success/respect if they were able to forge their own identity by releasing their own music.  By largely relying on AFD and UYI, they hitched their wagon to the past.  FWIT, I too have had a blast at every show I?ve gone too.

Ok... You think the "it's not Guns N' Roses" calls would go away by releasing a certain volume of material in a certain timeframe?
I don't agree. That kind of people have made up their minds before hearing one single note of the music.

Now, I'm not saying you wouldn't be happier about the band with more music out.


Sometimes it's easier to say things like "this would make everything better" than "this would make everything better for me, I don't know about the rest of the world".
What I don't get is the people who are so into the idea of the band succeeding and being successful, but they're often the ones who keep putting them down every chance they get.

You want more albums? Great. How come you're the one who keeps going on about how the last one was such a failure?
You want the band to be respected and known? Well, how come you spend most of your time on fan sites complaining about the same band?

That's the part I don't get.... :)




/jarmo

For me... its simple.

As soon as Slash, and Duff departed, it was the end of an era and with it.. the last of the classic Guns n Roses. 15 years later and an album that was literally nothing like the classic sound with players no-one gives a shit about didnt help.... but the clincher was so many line up changes.

If Axl had of reformed the band once.. and stuck to it for 20 years... a lot more people may have been willing to accept it... but he didnt.. we got one album, that a lot of people thought was pretty average.. and a million different line up changes and the the whole thing became a shamozzle.. whats so hard to understand?

I still enjoy watching Axl perform and whatever else.. but without those guys who helped make the music... its not GNR.. thats just the way i see it. Doesnt mean i dont want Axl to succeed either.. if he came out with a new song and it sounded great... id go for it... its nothing against the other guys who helped create chinese either.. i just didnt like the album because it wasnt that good.   

I think we would get a mixed bag:
The same Haters will always be haters.
4 albums worth of music by the new GNR would have definitely brought more fans. More fans would level the amount of negativity surrounding discussions in forums.

And there's people like me. Conflicted haha.  :hihi: I was an Axl nut swinger when I first heard he had a new band around 1999-2000. I wanted to hear what he had under his belt, I believed he had a vision. I didnt care about no more Slash and duff because I thought life goes on, its a divorce, not everybody can get along with everybody. I've always been in support of the band, until my interest dropped in the past couple of years seeing there was no follow up to CD. The present situation sucks ass to me, to be honest. Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba leaving, Tommy status unknown. It does suck. I feel like I supported a band that didnt quite deliver?. and then to see everything Axl supposedly worked for scrapped for a reunion? Regarding that Im a bit split in two.

On the one hand I think a reunion would put the final nail in the coffin of New GNR, which I don't think is cool and On the other hand, the new GNR already looks likes its buried six feet under,  so why not revamp the whole thing with the old guys in order to at least have SOMETHING !

You already stated your opinion about the band.
So taking your comments about what happened after that seriously, is almost impossible.



No matter how much some of you claim to support the band and whatever else, it's hard to take some seriously after they finally come clean about their true feelings....
It's nothing personal. When you got that kind of emotions invested in something, you're obviously not as objective as you try to portray.....

Sorry!




How come the band still has a lot of fans who never saw the old band or who never saw GN'R on MTV?
And this is without all those albums released over the years.... Kids still discovered GN'R over the years. They still went to the shows.

I'm not saying new fans wouldn't discover the band if there were more albums out between then and now. Not at all. Because I can't say that. I don't know.

But I also don't agree that what has happened is the worst case scenario as some paint it out as being...

But, keep in mind. A lot, and I do mean a lot, of fans who buy the tickets, buy the albums and t-shirts, do not go visit fan sites. They'll spend money on products, but they're not necessarily as emotionally invested in the band and its members as some of us might be.

Take any massive band, chances are at their concerts most people aren't there because of their latest album. People are always suspicious of anything new and different.


/jarmo

Not that they'd go away entirely...But I think it would've silenced a good chunk of the haters. The long wait and lack of material only seemed to give credence to their theories. Not only that, but consider if Guns were say, on their 4th, 5th or 6th album post Slash...He'd be a memory now. There'd of course be some still who'd say "IT'S NOT GN'R", but I think that number would be much, much smaller then it is now, and their arguments would hold a lot less credibility with the mainstream.


This I totally agree with. Some yes. But I think for others, less material sort of solidified any doubts they already had. You know? If Axl came back in '99 with an album, just three years after Slash left, I think it would've shut a lot of people up. And by this point in time, even if they didn't like it, they would've more easily accepted the situation.


The first time I heard a new Guns song was in early 2002 when I got a CD boot of RiR3 and I was blown away by the new songs and I wanted as much new stuff as possible. I was nuts over the new band, I went and I attended the MSG show. I still had for years the shirt I bought there. So yeah, for me, I was on board early on with the new band. I still have my VHS tape of the VMA performance.


Because honestly, it's frustrating to see what could have been vs. what is, and what has been. Axl is an amazingly talented guy. He surrounded himself with really talented guys. I wish we'd gotten more out of that. Especially when all the stories indicate there were two albums' worth of material recorded before 2000.


Again, frustration. Frustration with the way the rollout was handled, with so much wasted time, with the silence, the status quo as it stands. A lot of frustration with what is, especially when what could've been seems like it might've been pretty amazing. I've tried my best getting new people into the new band. I've done my bit in the way of support. And I feel like such efforts honestly go unappreciated. Not just my own personal efforts but I mean efforts on the parts of even more die hard fans. I feel like, any bit of constructive criticism is thought of as hatred, when really, it's cause I want Axl on top again. I want this band to have an identity separate from the old band. I want more material to share with people and to just plainly enjoy. It's just a frustrating and at times depressing situation.

I don't get how that would change their opinion... I mean, their guy still wouldn't be in the band and they'd still believe it was all Axl's fault....

For years all we heard was "they need to release that album". Then they did. And that was followed by "they need to play shows". That happened.
It was never enough. There was always something more they needed to do to make these people happy....




Well, maybe but the break up would still be fresh so it'd still be "Slash isn't on the album".....





Sure.
But when you're taking those frustrations out only on the man himself and the band, it's like you think it's not frustrating for them?

Think about it. Do you think Axl likes to talk about things he'd like to do only to find out it can't be done? You don't think it's frustrating for him to want the album out, and then realize it won't happen and get called all kinds of names from his so called fans?


Remember those tours last year and the year before? Great times. Except for a chosen few who labeled them "pointless". They just want an album.
You think it's that easy? Of course not. They want an album written and recorded by the people they choose....

It never ends. The frustration.

The same stuff happens all the time and it's the same kind of people. 2006 was crap. No new album, same setlist and so on. But ask them now and they'll say 2006 was pretty exciting!
It's like the present always sucks, but when the present is the past, then your opinion on it is allowed to change....



/jarmo

In 2006... no. Since we had still not even heard the album... I had yet to have any real appreciation for Buckethead, because to me he was just a freak with a KFC bucket on his head playing with his nun-chucks at the show...

In 2009... losing Robin was a blow, but I guess I was still in that next man up mode...and by all accounts DJ Ashba we were told was a great addition because of his song writing chops! So that had my interest, but Axl apparently never showed any interest in his work.

If in 2016 or 17 or 18 or whenever... to now have to replace both lead spots again, and possibly the bass player... (assuming Duff doesn't' come back)... that's a completely different band all at once... with no new songs..

How could anybody WANT that? Or be anywhere near their first choice... Please spare me the it's not our choice routine...we get it.

You asked, there's my answer.

So I hope Axl releases his album so we hear the left overs, but as for the next GNR concert goes...give me Slash/Duff or Robin... New guys... disappointment.

So im not a guns n roses fan?

what i dont get is, if you didnt love cd, why are you still hanging on? ax already said it would be more of the same. why complain and beg for something that you are very likely not going to like? more of the same. the second half of cd. why would you like the second half if you didnt like the first half?

people want what they cant have. its like with girls. you chase that pussy around like a madman and when you finally get it, meh. no big deal. time to go eat a sandwich and watch tv. its the same exact situation. i can see why ax would rather drag the foreplay out as long as he can. with cd it was like someone begging to hump a girl for years and then prematurely ejaculating the moment they stuck it in. you want to get laid again after that? good luck.

and to top it all off, you act like a bunch of needy suitors. ax, where are you? we need an update! what are you doing? who are you with? when will we see you again? then when he doesnt answer the texts it's "fuck you! i never liked you anyway!.... im sorry, i didnt mean that. but please, just talk to me..."

its really funny to watch. i bet he's in the bar laughing with his buddies about it, dancing, drinking, having a good time, while you're at home pouting.


you dont want my love, no no you wanna sati satisfaction. you dont need my love. youve got to find yourself another, another piece another piece of the action. youre crazy

now i know you better, you know i know better. now we all know better!

FWIW i couldnt give a toss if CD2 or remix albums never see the light of day.

I just want to see a version of the classic line up play again.. and release new music. I dont think wanting that is any different to anyone else wanting CD2 or remixes or just to see Axl perform.. its all a want.. no matter how far away each one is.

Also, ive never called Axl a name in my life. Dont confuse the fact that just because there is regular posters on this board.. that they arent going on and living their own lives for the other 23.5 hrs of their day. I generally only post in work time. Because its convenient helps pass the time whilst talking about my favorite band, outside of that... i assume others are doing the same.

Nobody is sitting in their room crying about this shit 24/7.. i think thats a rather large stretch to make to sound clever.

it was an allegory bud. pouting in your rooms was another way of saying whining on the internet. and i disagree about the level of obsession. day in and day out, like a bunch of broken records... at the very least it is a destructive way to spend your time. it does real damage to the bands reputation. it also reveals a degree of neediness. neediness is not a desirable trait and is often a sign of an unhappy person.

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bahahaha, great post.  :hihi: Except that for people who did like CHidem, Axl did say there would be 3 albums a long time ago, that's why I come back from time to time..

Does this make a lot of sense, really?

You think there are people that choose to post at this particular board that didn't like the album?  We have a handful, a literal handful.  Other sites have far more.  But if you are choosing to post here, let's be honest.  You've made a lot of peace with a lot of stuff.  And hating CD is probably not really a thing for you.

Although I don't agree with the mindset (or even respect it, to be honest) I'm certainly not blind to the notion some have that people are to sit quietly in the corner.    To take the mere morsels we are given and pretend its the feast of a lifetime.

Yet even as you chide us for being bad fans or what have you, is it really in the context of not wanting another album?  You really see a lot of that present at this site?

Or are you just unhappy with how people might express their frustration, up to and including the fact you probably think even having such feelings is totally out of line?

Definitely one of the flimsier arguments you will see on a message board.

Whenever someone goes down that road at a board, regardless what the board's stated topic is, I always think the same thing.  They probably wouldn't have to reach for that tactic if there was a fact based argument that refuted what they didn't like hearing.

In our case, if you don't like hearing people talk about all the wasted time and lack of activity, you damn sure can't claim its all made up and the band is really super active and prolific.  So the question itself becomes criminalized.  You must just be some loser that thinks about this all the time.  What a dork you are.  Yeah, that's the ticket. 

Please.

Agreed, some of these "fans" that like to brag about being "open minded" are in reality only disgruntled, butthurt whiners parroting each other's displeasure as if it were some new original thought and projecting their toxic negativity onto the band.

It's especially fun to watch them turn into e-experts and armchair quarterbacks offering unsolicited amateur advice about situations and business decisions that they don't even have the correct details for.

It is laughable how seriously some take themselves  :hihi:

Nobody said it's necessarily the first option on anybody's mind.

But complaining about it is kinda weird to me considering the option. No GN'R.
If your idea of a better option than continuing is that Dj Ashba ended GN'R by leaving, then I just don't agree.




Are you?
You pretty much made it clear already that you're a fan of what was until the mid-90s and you're interested in whatever Axl does.





/jarmo

well, objectively speaking
"fan" is not a good psychological trait.
a "fan" detaches part of his personality and invests it in a person who he does not know.
he continues to idealize/glorify that person,
creating conflicts whenever the "idol" does not live up to expectations.


to overcome this paradox of a "flawed idol", there's few ways of coping(of which some can go terribly wrong)


1st- thinking that the person "betrayed" you, since he/she is not acting how you want them to act, and directing rage torward your idol
(Chapman stereotype)

2nd - is religious following of the "idol", not different from following Muhamed, or the Church, by patching loopholes in elaborate ways to preserve your projection of the ideal... thus alleviating your self from the "rage"
(Stalker stereotype, a guy who will say its ok Priests are pedophiles)

3rd - is mimicking; Greatest way of showing affection is mimicking. A person will go such lengths to become as close to the object of affection, that he/she starts to mimic him/her.  This can also go wrong, since the person may actually believe that "he/she" is closer to the ideal, than the actual figure of worship. A deranged person would try to replace the original)

so y...
all people here are fans. Its just hard being a healthy one.


no offense Jarmo, but you have a "parental respect" torward Axl, or even a "parental instinct" in some cases.
You wouldnt say anything against him, even if he did something horribly wrong to you. Just like you'd never say anything wrong to your parents.
You go great lenghts to find meaning in the chaos, and an alibi, for whatever goes wrong.
And I do admire your dedication, and when I meet ya, u seemd like a good/nice guy, but I think you exert great effort to "protect" Axl. Even though he doesnt need "protection"... since thats what he is. Axl. And he can take care of him self (no bad words here can harm him. I believe he's above that).

some here are compensating their life through Axl. Hoping his glory will restore/create their own glory.
And when Axl doesnt go "super Sayan", they are pissed, cus they wanted to live through his success (probably for lack of their own).


IMO all of us are same. We invested a part of our lives in GNR, and the forum. For whatever reason, and no matter how we behave (rage, preach, love, excuse), we are all fans. There are no better, or worse fans. We are all the same "Quality", since in some way,... we are all a little deranged, since in some way... we are all compensating our lives through the band.



P.S. this post was not ment to insult anyone. Its point was to say that "None is more fan than sm1 else", and we are all equally deranged for being here.
The important thing is... GNR is obviously a big part of our life. and nobody can argue differently, which makes us all fans (no matter how we cope with it)

p.s. Jarmo, I have a suggestion for ya.
Create a "ragers subforum".  instad of deleting the ragers... just move their posts to that section... so they can vent out. would make a healtier community... since some ragers that got banned, also do make good posts

p.s.p.s. stop with the negative carma on my ass

Nice assumptions.
Keep thinking that's actually factual.  : ok:  :D

Bottom line is this.... I actually believe in my favorite band who has given me so much joy over the years. Discovering their music, watching MTV hoping their video would come on, sitting on a boring bus ride but being able to listen to GN'R on a walkman, buying their CDs, reading the lyrics trying to understand some of the words used, reading interviews in RIP magazine, going to shows, meeting fellow fans, meeting a bunch of nice people, seeing the world and so on and so on. Some fans seem to forget all that because it's not "objective" or whatever. Instead, it's more of the "I don't like this and that blah blah blah" bullshit... Sad really. But what can you do? They chose that kind of existence for themselves.

Edited to add: When I hear a GN'R song, I don't get frustrated, upset or angry. Same goes for when I see the band on stage. It's not my "go to" or default emotion for GN'R.



/jarmo

I'd rather see Axl move away from GNR and perform under a new name or new project than remake GNR for the 6th time. That's just me, some of you take offense to that idea.. not sure why.

It doesn't matter to me if it says Guns N Roses on the ticket or "Dose motherfuckers" as long as he is performing.

There are not many people here who don't enjoy Chinese Democracy, so that whole sentiment is ridiculous.

Even some that don't love every song, that's not a crime, and not a reason for them to disappear or not have an interest in what's in store for the future.

For those who truly don't care what happens next or long it takes... as long as Axl Rose is happy... good for you, I applaud you for the ability to care so deeply about a man who you have never met and most likely never will.

Quite frankly the people with same repetitive posts about the whiners and the haters, are just as ridiculous as people with constant complaints. I try to call it like I see it, unfortunately when there's no news, massive defections, no album in sight, the swing tends to go one way.

So we're back to the name issue... Even though Axl's explained his point of view, you disagree.




/jarmo

Not back to anything... I'm stating my preference, nothing to do with disagreeing with the all mighty.

I think it would be cool as fuck to see Axl in a new band, playing songs from his entire history, without the weight of the past. A new band with a new identity of it's own that doesn't feel the need to rely on 25 year old GNR songs for the majority of the setlist.

 

This is absolutely the disconnect for me.

I've been a big time music fan for all of my life, with rabid fandom of several bands.  I have never, ever, ever seen the dynamic I see with this one.

The constant deference as if he's infallible.  The worrying about his hurt feelings, like they know the man.

The guy made a bunch of rock songs I really dug at 12 years old, and still do to this day.  But the man is a rock singer, not a deity.

Yeah, I understand not wanting to dwell on his past issues, but pretending like they don?t exist is crazy.

Your preference is that since there's been line up changes, you'd prefer if the name was changed.
So to me it looks like the problem you have is related to keeping the name.... That's what it looks like to me. Sorry.




Those songs are part of his history too, no matter how much you wish they weren't.... And many people, excluding you, go see Axl in concert to hear them. :)



I see the usual attempt at ridiculing those who don't spend most of their time posting their dislikes about Axl and the band.
Like I said, these people chose this kind of existence. Constant dwelling on how shit didn't go according to their wishes. Hooray!



/jarmo

He certainly seems a lot better on the past however many tours.  It's not like he's still the angry tornado he was in the early 90s.

As usual, you are too close to the man, to see anybody's differing perspective or acknowledge them. Which is why i don't like to address a lot of your comments directly. I never once said I don't enjoy hearing Welcome to the Jungle, but if Axl didn't I'd still love the show, how is this a knock or a criticism? I don't need it to say Guns N Roses on the ticket, that's all im saying.

I have no dislike towards Axl or anybody involved with the band, never have or never will. The fact that you think everybody should have blinders on or just support everything he does with blinders on is really funny, considering Axl Rose would absolutely never do that.

Not only should you never criticize...which I have always stated I understand the push back ...

You also can't have a preference for the future of a band that is completely up in the air at the moment.

Fantastic.

By commenting on which direction you might prefer (after being asked for your opinion, mind you), what you are actually doing, is demanding that is how things are run because you are an expert on everything and the band should cater to your every whim.

Or something like that.  I don't have all the details.

Just that it's bad, you know.

Yeah seriously...

Reality. Don't let him near Axl!

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It's all so silly. 

It's just looking for a fight where there doesn't even have to be one.  Its totally manufactured and disingenuous.

Why don't you just show some evidence of all this talk about how I don't see anybody's differing perspective or acknowledge them?
As far as I can tell, I've pointed out the opposite to be true, multiple times.

What's true though is the fact that some can't seem to take into account the other side of the coin. Instead, they'd rather run away, try to ridicule, insult and ignore.


My point, without all your generalizations and such, is that Axl is the singer who sings Jungle. For example.
It's part of him. So, if you don't want him to sing it because the band that recorded it doesn't perform it with him, that's your opinion. Fine.

I pointed out why I think him singing it in concert makes sense..... Oddly enough, you don't like that I pointed it out. So you attack me for asking you about this particular topic.





Again. Prove that I "think that everybody should have blinders on or just support everything he does with blinders on".

I will admit that the constant whiny posts from a select group of fans, after a few decades, it gets old....
I find it utterly counter productive, boring and self-serving. Never said I was perfect!






Stick to the truth, Twistmaster.

Go ahead, I challenge you to read your posts again. I'm sure your posts are still there.
So how does that go with your "You also can't have a preference for the future of a band that is completely up in the air at the moment." bullshit?

It doesn't.

What you should say is "I can't believe I'm not allowed to say anything I want without somebody asking me why I say those things! Unbelievable! I just wanna whine day in and day out but I get asked these questions! I can't believe it! On a fan forum! Somebody wants to discuss my negative opinions! Horrible!".

That's a more accurate portrayal of your Pity Party(tm).


Boo-fucking-hoo.
Every-fucking-time. "Poor me, look at me, I'm a victim".

* virtual hugs all around *

Edited to add: One poster above insulted me and "ran" away. He wasn't banned. Normally that kind of behavior wouldn't be allowed.

But yet you guys keep attacking me with all kinds of fictitious reasons... Even after one of you overly negative posters decided to try to insult me, disappear and act like nothing, I'm still not allegedly allowing you guys to spew your negativity. How does that make any sense? :)



/jarmo

Maybe I'm the only one who sees the irony in you some people complaining about me complaining about their constant complaining.
Not that I'd expect any of those people to ever manage to take any responsibility for what they're doing....



/jarmo

This is such a hot mess... I really don't even know how to begin...but a few points.

1)  I have not said one negative thing about Axl here, and truthfully never do. Having an opinion on what I'd like to see the band do, or discussing the history of the band... is something very different in my eyes.

1) I have never insulted anybody on this forum, if you take my comments about being too close to Axl as an insult, then I apologize, because that was not my intent. I certainly have never insulted any other poster here. I don't see the need for it. If you were just a fan who doesn't have that relationship , you would view things differently.. that would be hard to refute, and again, more importantly not an insult.

2) You asked for my preference about the future and i gave it. I had no point criticized Axl for any choice he might make going forward.

3) I never ever said Axl shouldn't play x y or z and of course the material is a part of him and has just as much a right as anybody else to play the song, but if they played a lot less older stuff... I would find that cool. Again, my opinion, my preference. Why you are putting words in to my mouth that Axl SHOULDN't play those songs... I am not sure.


You turned this in to me complaining about the name issue after I gave my response to your question if I was upset about departures in previous years, which is off base.

If you're mad at some other poster for always saying mean things about Axl, then don't take it out on me.

Again... I'm not complaining about anything.

I could ... if you want me to...ha, but it wouldn't have anything to do with you, this website or Axl rose. I enjoy it here.

And what is this? Is this rice?







#1: Sometimes I post and then I make similar generalizations like you do. Also, sometimes some parts of my posts might be aimed at you, and then other parts might be more generally speaking. I know it can sometimes be confusing and for that I apologize.

#1 again: Like i said, above. Certain parts aren't necessarily about you. That part about the insults weren't about you. Just another poster who's here to try to ridicule me, but conveniently forgot all the insults aimed at me that were posted not that long ago.

#2 (I said number two!): I know you did, and as soon as I asked you for more, tried to discuss your opinion and what you said, you started with the accusations of not being allowed to have an opinion and the "poor me" parade. Why? Sorry, yet another question.

#3: I am aware of your preference for certain songs. Didn't say you're not allowed to think that. I only pointed out exactly why I think it's not gonna be surprising if those songs remain part of the shows. That's all. I'm not allowed to do that? You won't allow me to post my opinion because it differs from yours? Poor me! Just kidding.

I made a connection between the issues because of the answers you gave. Simple. It's my opinion.


I'm not taking it out on you. If it appears that way, I'm sorry.

But some of the people who play these pointless games are constantly agreeing with each other.
The game I'm talking about is as follows:
Here's my whiny post -> Why do you say that? -> I don't wanna talk to you! Stop stalking me! You don't allow me to post what I think!

What do you call it when obvious attention seekers get attention, but then they complain about it?  :hihi:



/jarmo

Are you?
You pretty much made it clear already that you're a fan of what was until the mid-90s and you're interested in whatever Axl does.





/jarmo

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Thats not far from the mark. Ive hung around on message boards discussing guns for years now, just because i have a preference for the guys who created the music over the employees that Axl hired, most of whom have had no input into making any music, and also over those who created CD which IMO isn't a great record doesn't mean i'm a guns fan. It seems to be ok if other posters wax lyrical about CD and claim they like that album better then AFD OR UYI.. but not the other way around.

I have followed Duffs, Slash's and Axl's career since the split... and ive always got a massive kick out of seeing Izzy or Duff play with Axl... I don't feel i should be ridiculed for not identifying with the multiple line up changes that followed.

Here is a tip... Most people go to see Guns to see Axl these days. Not DJ Ashba, Not Robin.. or any other blow in. It's Axl. That's why i bought my tickets.

Whats so bad about admitting to that? 

This is where your bias truly shows.
At least you're not pretending anymore. Props for that.

Edited to add: You do realize that your opinion, no matter how popular you claim it to be, has its downsides on a site that's not exclusively catered for people like yourself? Right?

Surely a smart person like yourself can see why you're the odd one and you seem like just another attention seeking troll with too much free time? Meaning, you come to a Guns N' Roses fan site that's at least as much about the present, as it's about the past, and post your same old opinions about how everything was better way back when...



/jarmo

I'm still not sure why you seem to be so put off by it? And bias towards what exactly?

Honestly... the deal from my end is simple.

I accept the AFD line up because they made what i consider one of (if not the best) album of all time... at least in my eyes.

I accept the UYI line up, because i enjoyed those 2 albums almost as much as AFD.

Then... nothing happened... then.. when it did... the next album (just my opinion).. wasnt totally great.

There has been nothing since.

Ive enjoyed seeing Axl perform live.. with the new incarnation.. but when i bought my ticket.. i bought it to see Axl. Not Ashba.. of BBF etc.. I wanted to hear Axl's voice and watch him perform... hell.. id buy a ticket to watch Axl play with a bunch of gimps if it meant hearing him close to his best live. Whats so wrong with that?

When i went to Slash in sydney in January.. i didnt go to see Myles.. or whoever else was in that band.. i went to watch Slash.. and see him absolutely kill it on Rocket Queen with a 15 minute rendition that made my night.. etc..

If i buy a ticket to see walking papers.. im not buying it for the other guys, im buying it to see Duff...

and so on...

i dont get why you seem to find that so offensive.

But when the past becomes the present, what happens to the present that's now become the past?  Boom!  Mind blown. :hihi:

Of course this site is just as much about the present... its a guns n roses forum, where pretty much every minute detail of this bands history and the current goings-ons are dissected on a daily basis.. over and over again. I get that.

And you may not have noticed, but when there is threads about certain topics regarding new incarnations of the band, for the large part, i just avoid them. Ive never tried to derail a thread and spew negativity on those threads. Sure.. in other threads where there has been debate (such as this one).. ill have my say that i dont agree with another new line up, but its just my opinion. I dont agree with people who Love CD or Love some of the newer band members over the old ones, but they are entitled to their opinion. And i respect it for the most part.. doesn't mean i have to just go along with it though.

Calling me a troll for having an honest opinion is a bit much.. but anyway... im just trying to be honest.

You carry this virtual chip on your shoulder and expect me to take anything you say about anything that has happened since your band broke up seriously?
Sorry, it'll take some effort from you to make me fall for that one. It's hard to take many of you seriously.

I've seen enough people claiming to "support" GN'R and not being able to actually do it, only type it, in the last 19 years... Sorry, at some point you stop believing all these people.




Haha. I'm not offended that you like something that ceased to exist over 20 years ago. Your choice!

Maybe I'm offended that you, and those with your opinion, take it for granted that you should be welcomed with open arms to the fan sites that actually are interested in the present and future, just because you liked something that existed years ago. Maybe it's offensive to me that you come here and expect me to just let you go on and on about the current band, when in reality you don't need to say a word. We know what you think. We know you don't like it. We already know. So why do you feel the need to keep going on and on about it?

You just don't seem to get it. No matter how many times over the years I explain it. There's always a few who like to argue with me about it.
Year after year I explain this: If you only like the old band, maybe this board isn't for you. A bunch of us have a real interest in the past, present and future. We actually support the band. Call us blind, call us nutswingers. Don't care. We're not interested in being told how everything now sucks, and how it was better back then. We've heard it. Move on already.

No, this is not something these people want to hear. Instead it's "you don't allow our opinions!".



 :nervous: :confused:

 :hihi:


/jarmo

Ok...so you claim im not interested in the future or the present? And im only here because i like something from 20 years ago? Is that your take?

Over the years we have had Izzy and Most recently Duff playing with the band.. Duff did the 6 shows in Sth America last year.. for me.. that was amazing. Ive also lined up and bought my ticket and that money went into Axl's pocket, went into ashbas pocket and so on. Ive have repeatedly said i didn't buy the ticket to see them... BUT.. i did enjoy the experience and that is supporting the band IMO. I thought they put on an amazing show and i don't have many gripes with what i saw... (Even though Ashba's own take SCOM was a balls up)... but still.. if they came back.. id pay and watch and hopefully get a good show like the last time i went. :)

I'm here for the present and future because i'm excited to see what happens next. Yes.. i'm rooting for the reunion.. or some sort of reunion that sees slash back in the fold. If it doesn't happen... fine, ill be bummed out about it.. but ill watch on with interest as i have done for the last how many years and see what Axl does with it.

FWIW.... in relation to your comment about taking it for granted that i should be welcomed with open arms on a forum that doesnt agree with my opinion... perhaps that is the case and i just thought that anyone could sign up and speak freely. I can see your point of view that people like me probably grate you. That's not my intention. But ill put it to you like this..... if your board was only open to people who towed the line that everything is great and no matter what Axl does with GNR its all awesome.. and they were the only people posting here.. i think you would get bored rather quickly. The board ticks along because people like to discuss (and yes.. debate) topics.. that's how a good message board works. Some of the best threads on here are people discussing and debating their points of view, If you dont want that... then i guess that's completely your choice.. your bat and ball.. and if you want to take it home... you can. I cant do much about that.

But... i've not tried to deliberately antagonize you. And im not trolling... even if it may seem that way.

Jeez.

You like something that existed two decades ago. So you use it as a reason to go to fan sites dedicated to that band, even though the band's line up has changed.
But you want to convince everybody that you're still a fan even though you've admitted that you don't really like their latest album. But you still want people to take your opinions on the present seriously.

Like I said, sorry, doesn't work with me. Past experiences tell me that kind of people aren't really here to discuss the present or future with an open mind.
Prove me wrong. That'd be great.



I'll condense the issue for you: The problem isn't fans of something that ceased to exist coming to a fan site that isn't only about that particular era, but also about all eras, past, present and future. The problem is the lack of respect they have for others who don't share their limited conditional admiration for the band.

I don't care what you like as long as you respect those who don't whine day in and day out about the band. To put it bluntly. That's it. Very simple.




For example: If you don't like anything that happened since 1993. Fine. Stay away from anything that has to do with topics relating to anything that happened since. I don't need to hear another "you don't allow us our opinion" cry. If you don't like something post 1993 for example, why the hell do you think your opinion on a 2014 show is important to know? Chances are that, drum roll, you don't like it!

If you love cheese burgers, do you go to a vegan cooking site and post in every recipe topic that the food sucks and that cheese burgers are better? No, it's kinda obvious what you'd think of that food...  :hihi:



/jarmo

Jarmo's rolling.......I have to agree...no use bitching like a bitch day in and day out about something you have NO control over...take it in the ass or go play in another sandbox.

I don't know if some actually get the point. Imagine if your partner makes the same complaints every week. For months. For years. For decades.

"I liked you better in 1993". "You should go back to being the person you were in 1993". "I don't like the friends and co-workers you have now, I prefer the ones from 1993".

How long before you actually had a talk with your partner and said "I get it, it's becoming kinda boring now"? Or would you just say "That's great! Your opinion is important to hear, every week! Thank you! Please remind me again next week!"?  :D




/jarmo

Nice analogy! If it were true.

But what do you get out of everyone coming on here and treating the place like a place of cult worship? Like.. i get that would be somewhat of an ego boost I'm guessing. But you seem a bit more intelligent then that, at least on the surface. Nobody is coming in here that i have seen, and said they hate Axl, or hate the current band.. even the most outspoken of us, have indicated that they still enjoy the shows, but it seems if those people (myself included) happen to speak up and call things for what they are... they are bitched off the board by the true believers.  :P

I'm sure you are aware of what gets said and the level of vindictiveness on other boards.. .i havent seen anyone be like that on here. All ive seen is reasonable argument to a point from our side of things. Yes yes.. i know you will give me the answer that youve been dealing with it for 20 years.. but isnt that point? The reason people speak up is because the issues arent solved. And with the current state of things that will probably be the case until plans are announced.. whatever those are.. and then im sure a new shit storm of topics will evolve from the ones we are having now.  :D

Maybe wrong thread or whatever but what's your feeling on an appetite for reunion Jarmo?

that part of my post was actually very relevant. many people here say cd was good, not great. arent you one of them? why push so hard for the second half of, more of the same of, what was to you good but not great? whats all the fuss about?

my point stands. you want it because you cant have it. you just want satisfaction. when you get it, chances are you still wont be happy.

as for defending axl, the press and peoples opinions are all rolled into one these days. when i first went online to gnr land, all that negative shit i heard helped form my opinion at that time. it hurts the bands reputation. people are very liable to take what they see on message boards and run with it.

you are, quite literally, a generator of bad press for this band. you want them to get good publicity, good press, but you yourself are the squad leader for a circle that produces the opposite. it makes no sense.

be sure to ignore that part politician x.

also, axl is not just any celebrity. hes not robert downey jr. who the fuck cares about an actor? i cant understand that. but axls art means a lot to me. and people hate this guy. you apparently havent seen that. i have, in many real life conversations. almost every time i bring up modern gnr, people start bashing axl. it bugs me because his art doesnt get a chance. all the inspiration this guy has given me over the years, no skin off my back to call you and your cronies out on your smear tactics every now and then. its the least i could do.

jaeball, im proud of you. you used to be a fence sitter. at least now you have cemented yourself into being politician x's lap dog. i hope you and ginger king can share that position comfortably. oscar, if youre a good boy you can grow up to be just like them. you can fight the man together. dont stand for this oppression from axl, team brazil, and jarmo! you have your rights!

Great Post  : ok:

The way to get status among whiny chronic complainers is to be the most negative. To be the one who sees everything in the most negative light, who can whine the most and the loudest? You can only continue to be a part of the group if you can continue to complain

Any attempt to be positive or cheerful will be shot down and optimists will be accused of being a cult member, a pom-pom waver or blind and unrealistic.

 I want to focus on what I love about GNR music, my life has been so heavily affected and enhanced by the music and I want to share those experiences with other people that appreciate GNR like I do, and keep up to date with news, read articles etc.

I thought that is what a fan forum was for.

I don't like Bon Jovi but I wouldn't join an online forum full of his fans simply to complain and moan about why I didn't like him and sow discord and toxicity among his fans. Life is too short .

I didnt mean to sound agressive. And it was ment to be a compliment. Since we are online, most things we can do is assume (just look at the threads - most of em is assumption). But I didnt pull my assumption out of my ass. Ive "known" you for 15 years, and there is a pattern.

Just like its easy to conclude I go from a rager to 100% supporter, depending if I ate a cookey or not.(and thats mainly due to CD rollercoaster)

I agree with 2nd, 3rd paragraph.

This is once again where you choose to use certain terms to try to ridicule.
I have a different definition of what I think a fan site is about than some of those who focus on whining.

What do I get out of it? As long as I don't feel ashamed about the site I started over 19 years ago, that's all that matters.
Edited to add: Sorry, should've also added that it's got very little to do with ego. If one fellow fan somewhere in the world finds this site and realizes they're not the only one who shares the same feelings towards GN'R, then that alone makes it all worth it. By the way, those feelings I'm talking about aren't negative.  :P


No worries. No offense taken. :)




/jarmo

Great talk... really...just a great thread overall. 

I'll sleep real easy tonight knowing I have ur approval.

Your point is also inaccurate.  There's not a hell of a lot I can do with a guy that makes his own inaccurate point then lauds himself for how right on it is.

If you are just convinced you have this all figured out, save yourself the typing. 

If you are just going to score your own fights and award yourself the win, save the rest of us having to read it.

Thanks in advance.

There are how many of us that actually post here?  20?  30?  I'm talking people that post here, not just people with accounts.

Who, exactly, is reading all this "bad press" I'm generating?  I'm curious.  Can you elaborate?

Now here, we agree.  It is the least you can do.

It also doesn't matter one whit.  Sorry to break the news.

If you are actually one of those people that think you are going to get the toothpaste back in the tube and get people to "give the art a chance", you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.  Its not going to happen.

I have the same experience you do, with people away from this board.  No one I talk to gives even the slightest fuck about what GNR has done in 20 years.  They don't consider anything Axl has done legitimate, and yes, blame him for the break-up of the band.  This will never change. 

You don't have to agree, obviously.  But if you are under the impression you fighting the good fight on a fan site against a handful of message board posters you don't like is just you doing god's work and really making a difference in the grand scheme...well, you set quite a low bar for labeling something impactful.

the bad press thing is quite silly...you are One In A Million D-Gen.... :hihi:

Most people on here don't care what you think so why in the hell would the rest of the world? Bad press? Really? One poster on a band message board? Aye....the Gnr fanbase is very out of touch with reality.

Hahahaha

They are, indeed.  I'm one nobody on a severely insulated fan message board read by, at best, the same 30 people.

I don't think I'm really having much impact on the big picture.  That's a pretty strained premise.

As someone who runs and moderates a site. I can try to explain it.

If you let a vocal minority run wild, they could turn something into whatever they want. If people go to a site and get the feeling certain things are acceptable, they'll go with it.
Negativity creates more negativity because it's seen as "ok". Maybe even the cool thing to do! Everybody wants to be cool, with an objective honest opinion and not one of those fanboys!

What's stopping these same people from sharing these "honest opinions" elsewhere? And not forgetting that the people who write all these uninformed articles can also Google stuff. They can go on a fan site and read for themselves. Not saying it happens, but I can't deny it never happens either.


Yeah, go ahead. Ridicule me for this "conspiracy" theory.
I'm waiting.

You don't know who reads your posts. After all, membership isn't required to browse.

To me it's just common sense.



/jarmo

It think that is understandable. Also hard to pull off. Wouldn't want to be in your shoes to be honest.  :hihi:
Because I think most gnr fans are negative, whether they they support Axl or Not, the result is the same, they are always ready to tear someone appart.

It reminds me of the DAYS OF THE NEW message board, when I used to post there. There where similarities with GNR and people often commented on it.

Travis Meeks, the singer/lead guitarist/songwriter fired the whole gang from the first album and did two albums by himself afterwards. He was said to be a controlling freak, a dictator, all of the things you hear people call Axl.
Posters where always angry, whether they supported Travis or whether they criticized him.
And in his case, things were even more ridiculous. Because he wrote that first album all by himself, all of the vocals, guitar parts, lyrics, even drums. The other dudes where there because he just needed people to play all of the parts he wrote live.

And still, there were very loud people criticizing him.

I love that first Days Of The New album.  Very solid.

And yes, there are similarities with Axl and Travis.  Not identical, as Travis was a pretty serious drug addict and seemingly a crazy person.

But the situation is largely the same.  One guy sacked the rest and continued on with a new line-up.  To expect that the universal reaction to that was going to be "sure, whatever you say, Travis" is pretty pie in the sky.  Opinions were going to vary, at best, and be overly negative pretty inevitably.

Much as it is with Axl.  If you have convinced yourself this is all a straight line evolution, nothing to see here...hey, it's your dime.  But to hear these same people then get all snitty when most of the rest of the world disagrees with them?  Good luck unringing that bell.

Nope, he is right.

There are certain "fans" that will never be satisfied, when the next announcement is made, when the next tour is announced, or when the next album is released they will find something to complain and whine about, a reason why it wasn't done to suit them, and why they don't like it.

I saw this play out with the last release, and subsequent tours-it is never enough, they are addicted to negativity and complaining about everything.

A combination of entitlement issues, a product of this age of instant gratification and immediacy- a cycle of circle jerk that has no end for some people-and it is tiring to read for those of us who truly appreciate and value the band.

I think the name is also a common problem. Had Travis chosen the nickname Travis Meeks and the Something Guys, and then he sacked the Something Guys, I don't know, but I just don't think most people would've cared if the Something Guys would suddenly disappear.
But DAYS OF THE NEW sounded like a Band Name, and they were all marketed as a band, which maybe was management's fault. So the initial image everyone got was that of a band. No one knew that even the band name 'Days of The New'' was not even really a band name as much as a spiritual point of view Travis Had of the the World and the times to come.  Which is why even the albums are called Days of the New. And people either call them 1, 2 or 3 or Yellow/orange, Green and Red because of the covers. Travis even admitted it was a mistake to portray the group as a band in the eyes of the public, but they did it because they looked ''cool'' in pictures on magazines.

Had Axl chosen that path, most would leave him be as well I think.

Wow this story is making the rounds.

loudwire.com/longtime-friend-duff-mckagan-wife-guns-n-roses-is-coming-back/

ar.blastingnews.com/ocio-cultura/2015/11/nuevos-indicios-sobre-el-regreso-de-guns-n-roses-00648391.html

www.facebook.com/groups/5113088380/?fref=nf

Wow. Anything for a story.

Would there have been a story if they hadn't mentioned the topic at all?
Extra! Extra! Duff's wife's friend doesn't mention GN'R reunion rumors at all!

 :hihi:


/jarmo

Nope, he is wrong.

The 3 weakest arguments that can be made online, in descending order are :

#3) you disagree with me about <insert topic here>, so its obvious you have an unhappy home life

#2) after looking over the exchange we just had and seeing how amazing I did, I declare myself the winner

#1) no...let ME tell YOU what you REALLY think

All 3 should be dismissed out of hand as the desperate ploys they are.  They are all sad and pathetic.

No one that ever utilized any of them did so in the place of a fact based, merit based counterargument.  In actual fact, its the lack of such that necessitates their desperation to take any, or all, of those three paths.

Wait...in place of 'Welcome To The Jingle'?

Damn media.  So selective and biased.

No...you appreciate what Axl appreciates at any particular moment.  DJ's in = he's so cool.  DJ's out = what a fame whore.  If/when a reunion happens, suddenly you'll appreciate Slash again, and I'm sure it won't be because Axl does.  ;)

D-Gen, you and Duff's wife's friend are the two most important people in the Gnr Universe right now.....own it! :hihi:

Hahahaha

Press conference at 4PM today!  All your questions, answered!!

on entitlement....Ax isn't the only one.........

Reader vegetaman points us to some comments made by Maynard James Keenan (best known as the singer for the band Tool) in an Oregon radio interview that suggest he's reached the "get off my lawn" phase of his career. When asked about music piracy and its effect on the industry, he responded:
I think it's a much bigger conversation. I think part of the problem with most of that is just the foundation of respect or entitlement. I think 'entitlement' is probably the better word. I think, just in general, our society has gotten to the point where just you click a button, you get what you want when you want it. So until we get to a point where we realize you don't necessarily always get what you want when you want it, we're gonna have a problem. So it stems from there. And then things like file-sharing and the Internet kind of lend themselves to that mindset. So, some day, hopefully, we'll adjust that perspective ... And until somebody has actually written a check to record their own record and see everything that goes into it, they don't really understand that if you just take it... The current state of music, I'm sure there's a lot of creative stuff going on out there, but there certainly isn't?of course, I'm being nostalgic?but it doesn't seem like there's as much, creatively, going on, 'cause most people can't afford to do it."

This battle needed to be waged 15-20 years ago, though.  Things are never going back to how they were.

People are too conditioned to getting it for free.  They even outright complain when something is put up for sale and not free download.

The problem is it makes guys who have already made their millions like Axl and MJK reluctant to give their "art" away fo free....like the guy says, they are in their Gran Torino phase of their career.

Funny because #3 could also say "you disagree with me so you must be brainwashed/a blind follower".
Also, how often didn't you apply #1 to me? "You're angry" and whatever else you decided I was thinking/feeling. :D

Also, #4: I'll ignore anybody who dares to question me, so I'm never wrong.

How's the glasshouse? :)





That's true.

Something becomes the norm, and if something isn't following said norm.... Uh oh!



/jarmo

Someone who has absolutely very little connection to gnr = reliable

Those are the guys who probably have it the roughest.

Those artists that straddle that time period from when we were all still buying tapes and CDs to now, where no one wants to pay for anything.

Someone coming along now is probably better equipped to accept it.  But artists that spawn both eras are understandably pisssed.

Someone with an actual connection to GNR = audible

Maybe if that were ever the case, we wouldn't have to fret over this sort of thing.

Nature abhors a vacuum.  Just because you can't be bothered doesn't mean others might not fill that void with something you aren't thrilled with.

Breaks of the game.

I mean it's stupid. Literally, if you have a close connection to someone who is famous, you can literally say any thing and the press will report about it. Really who cares? It's not any less it any more true than duffs wife's college roommates father laws brother...

Sure, I wouldn't expect someone like you to paint it any other way :D

I never stopped appreciating Slash, the first GNR show I saw was the appetite lineup, so you can take that assumption and stick it.

There are things he has said over the years I didn't agree with because they weren't true, but I never stopped appreciating his contributions and time in GNR.

But it's fine for the usual open minded freethinking  "fans" to accuse the others of

1.pom pom waving
2.being "blind"
3.belonging to a cult..etc ad nauseum

The double standard there is amazing  :hihi:

@Jarmo  are you sure you are not arguing against something you know is going on?   That wouldn't be very cool if you did. 

What did I say?




/jarmo

Jarmo You is The Connspirations ?

 :hihi: :rofl: :hihi:

Happy 4.000 Post HBK  :beer:

Yeah, I'm trying to get informed on what I said that's arguing against something that I allegedly know.

Happy 4000!



/jarmo

I'm sure Jarmo knows more about future plans than the rest of us...but it's not his place to squeal.

In the past we were not allowed to discuss reunions... at least not outside the dead horse section.. so maybe that's telling?

Or just since there is no lineup in place these days, it's more acceptable to speculate about returning members?

H-I-A-T-U-S

 ;D

If I ever created my own guns n roses message board ..... I would ban anybody who uttered that word !

JjajAJjaJA, Thank You J.

I Need +Karma

 :beer:

You forgot when people say.  That your opinion is wrong

How can someone's opinion be wrong???  Hahaha.  I never got that one

Depends if the opinion isn't based on facts.... Certain things like taste in music is subjective. Hard to be wrong about what band is the best and so on.

But then, you got opinions that could be proven wrong with facts.
For example, In my opinion, Kimi Räikkönen is the best driver in F1. Now, you could say my opinion is wrong because he's not the current world champion...


Watch and learn ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y


/jarmo

Well, you can disagree with an opinion if you don't share it.

But its the supposed mind readers I have little time for.  You tell them where you are coming from, and they attempt to correct you.  Because what you say about what you think is not true, and they are there to tell you what you REALLY mean.

Or the only reason you are saying X is to throw people off the scent, because "we all know" that you really think Y.  Like this is some deep cover operation here.

Can you imagine anything more ridiculous?

That's always been the larger problem with anybody who truly does know more than the rest of us..... they're never allowed to talk.   :hihi:

Well no

For example. 

You take your buddy out for the best steak dinner ever..   All the fixings.   Some nice red wine as well..     In your opinion and many others that have gone to this place, its great!

Well your buddy hates it...   Cant stand any of it.  In there opinion its the worst meal ever...

Well..  Are they wrong??   No...   Are you right?  No....   

There is no right or wrong...   

Its an opinion

Opinion cant be judged by facts....   

An Opinion is like taste.

In the example I gave above

While its my opinion a great steak dinner with all the fixings and red wine is a great meal.  My buddy who is a vegan and only drinks water...  Thought that was the worst meal ever!

What's the old adage?

Those that don't know talk, those that talk don't know - somebody sent me that quote  in 2001 :D

Simply opposing viewpoints in an ongoing debate, that will likely not have any resolution in the foreseeable future.

Taste is subjective.


But your opinion can be based on facts that aren't true and until you know the truth, your opinion will be affected by those false premises.

Like we had one guy making the point that in his opinion something was a failure because it was on sale for $1.99 the week after its release. It was based on a lie.
His opinion was wrong, but he didn't change it. Because he already had made up his opinion, facts didn't matter.  :hihi:

---

Which celebrities will be next to comment on the matter? Scott Weiland, Nikki Sixx and the woman in this topic already have. So who's next?






/jarmo

dJ ashba

He said he hopes it happens as much as everybody else, also don't forget Tommy Stinson said he thinks Axl should do it as well.

DJ doing what he does best. Saying something that seems to be nice in order to get attention for himself and Sixx Am

Why did Tommy say it? To draw attention to his solo record?

Tommy and DJ are 2 very different people.

Dj was in the band, so it's kinda not too far fetched that people would ask him.


I'm talking about all those people not associated with the band who create headlines by commenting on it.  :hihi:



/jarmo

Well in fairness... Scott Weiland and Nikki Six have close connections to the people involved. It's  a small knit community that they are in... if something is cooking... they'd most likely know.

Sure, but you there's a difference between a former member and people who are in other bands...  :)




/jarmo

Come on.... What's the difference...  :)

N6 is very tight with Duff. Would he say it if it wasn't true? Maybe... just to fuck with people !

DJ did not say much of anything different than what he already said three years ago. 

"I think it would be awesome to see everybody get up on stage and put all the differences aside for one night and just give the fans what they want. To me that makes the most sense"
Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/62828#F0yBQATTMegmO2dw.99

Ironically enough, it created headlines today.

Can't wait to hear what Corey Taylor thinks!  :rofl:


/jarmo

Yeah... he's said mean thing about Uncle Axl before...

I think it's in the works... maybe I'm being hopeful or naive. I don't care. I have trouble believing they'd let all these people spout off like this if it was not a possibility.

I think 2017 makes more sense, I don't think Slash is lying about his new album and tour for this coming year, plus '17 would be the 30th anniversary, and they will need time to iron everything out.

So if it does happen, people are going to have to be a little bit more patient.

True, it's just the timing.

It's kinda funny. It all started with Slash saying "never say never" and then saying he was friendly with Axl again. Then it's just snowballed and all kinds of experts are saying it's pretty much a done deal...
Yet the ones involved, haven't said anything....

Appetite For Destruction is at #81 on the iTunes US Albums chart. I guess the publicity has done some good.....





/jarmo

I am listening to the Appetite every day. Or at least one song of it. Actually I am listening to Coma now... :D

Yep. Obviously Axl never said anything and Slash never said they were going to play together. Definitely snowballed. Again, I just think they woulda/shoulda put the brakes on this by now...

But hey... if it helps sales like you just pointed out.... ha

It's not like people are buying tickets for an imaginary reunion concert on the moon yet right?  :hihi:



/jarmo

I was tempted, but had trouble finding a flight for a reasonable price.

I would never schedule a space shuttle launch to go see Axl.

Too risky.

I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

I'm more inclined to think that those 2 would glom onto any shred of anything that could get them some attention grabbing headlines. Just my .02.

Yeah, somebody warned us about their reputation last year.... But playing the moon, it's not special. It's only like La Paz, only a little higher altitude and less gravity. Everybody does it!
 :hihi:



/jarmo

They wont be able to sell it out.  So there is no way this moon concert will be a success 

what exactly was innaccurate? werent you saying a while back that anyone who thought cd was one of the best albums of all time is just lying to themselves ? instead of dancing around like this, why not just say how you felt about cd? how much did you like it? if im wrong and you actually loved it, then i guess i just imagined that you said discouraging things about it, and if i actually did that, then my bad. if you thought cd was awesome, i could understand you wanting more. if not, then i dont get it. more of the same. cd 2. straight from the horses mouth.

i gave an example about how message boards influence people. they influenced me. is it really such an uncommon thing to do, when you are interested in something, to check out some message boards about it? way more people come here to read than respond as far as i know. in my opinion your estimate of only having around 30 audience members is way off the mark.

after coming here and mygnr years back to read about what was going on with gnr, i was quickly saying the same axl is an asshole shit as everyone else. you act like what you say has no impact at all, like theres no need to take any kind of responsibility for it, it doesnt affect anything. but i think it does matter, at least more than you let on.

seems like lots of people are getting their hopes up for a reunion now. hope you arent too let down if it doesnt happen.

and yes bacon, everybody is "entitled" to their own opinion. that maynard guy from tool is saying some really cool shit lately. i need to give his band a listen sometime, see what theyre all about.

you forgot number 5: geez axl sure must think you're creepy for showing him a little respect and grattitude online in the face of a mountain of opposition.

welcome to the moon

I said I thought it was good, not great.  I liked it overall.

But I also said it is my belief people that say things like "it's seriously the best rock record of the past 10 years" and things of that nature feel some sort of duty to say so.  To justify the wait, and so forth.  Yes, I believe that. 

This might be what you are referring to.

Now, I'm not in their heads.  I'm not definitively saying that is why they do it.  I think they do, for the reasons I've just stated and because I have never really seen anyone go down that road that was not a total Axl acolyte.  That's what I base it on.

You may also be thiniking of me saying that, because I absolutely did.

I'd like to hear CD 2.  I've only said so about a million times and pressed, some would say unfairly, to try and figure out what the fuck is taking all this time.

Not sure where you'd get I'm not interested...

...unless, you are going to try and tell me what I *really* think.  That this is all some ruse and I have some evil agenda.

Because that, would be inaccurate.

(tied it all together at the end, see that?)

hearing you say that just blows me away. i bought a new ps3 last night and just imported cd onto it. i have been listening to it on my phone since i got here once in a while and am so excited to hear it on a better sound system for a change. it is my favorite album. what you said is so unfair... you want people to give the art a chance, you said so yourself. but then you say that if they like it too much, its not possible for them to like it that much because of the art itself or they must have an agenda. you both predict the contents of my mind, say you are unable to do so, and then tell me not to do the same to you. thats a fancy double standard isnt it?

i thought i heard jarmo reference some self proclaimed mission you had. would you be willing to share that again? i cant find it anywhere. im really curious about it. honestly, to me it does seem like your mission is to put down gnr. i dont know you and i cant read minds, but to me it just seems obvious. this is not me cooking something up. its just my simple first impression after reading your library of posts over the years. i could be wrong, maybe ill hear your mission statement and go oh i get it now, THATS what hes been getting at.

Let's start simple:  Do you think CD is better than AFD (or UYI I or II for that matter)?

I love all of those albums. But the content of cd and the themes running through it are so much more relevant to me. Apetite was about partying and being wild right? I cant relate to that as much anymore.

UYI was awesome, but it was to me a little fragmented feeling. Like everything didnt fit together well enough. I think it should have been trimmed and polished, made into one album. Its important for me that an album flows seamlessly. A big Floyd fan.

With CD I get axls vocals which to me are unparalleled by any other artist, I get a seamless album with many details painstakingly woven in by literally virtuoso artists, and I get content that is moving and relevant to how I actually think and feel. And the trippiness factor is more present on CD than previous albums. Again, big Floyd fan. Zeppelin too.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Its not that I dislike CD, but its an easy #4 on that list.  I just don't think it really stands up to classic GNR material.

And I guess I'm skeptical if others think it not only stands up, but surpasses it.

Even though there are some songs I really love (TWAT, IRS, Prostitute).  And I still listen to the material pretty often.

I think CD is the best album sonically and does sound amazing.

I thought what Mike Clink did back in the day was great.  But on a good set of headphones, UYI is good, but CD is great.

I would like to know what is that actual last song Axl wrote.

We know that some of the songs written for Cd, where written nearly 20 years ago....

Even out of the songs on CD, not even the non released ones.  What song was written most recently...

I am asking this because I am reading lots of how people feel the music has changed in the band and Axls writing has evolved..

How can we possibly discuss this when nobody can actually say for sure when a song was written...

For all I know, Guns will release the vault CD material.  And some of those songs could of been written and recorded before the ones released on CD

The Baconman dropping some good points.  No real dates of frame of reference on these suckers.

We only know how old TWAT and IRS are due to those 1999 demo leaks.  We'd never know otherwise.

Have you ever listened to cd on psychadellics? Im tellin ya, you will trip balls sonny. The content of those other albums seems shallow in comparison. You dont get that deep emotional and psychological journey, and to me, thats what music is all about.

Maybe I dont give you enough credit sometimes. Your opinion seems fair enough to me this round.

Strongly agree.

I try to be fair a lot of the time.  I at least try to explain where I'm coming from.

I'm not looking to just fight or smear my shit on the walls here.

But I'm a smartass, and sometimes, it doesn't land.  Or come off the way I was going for.

This I Love, was written many many years ago as well...   

Then you can also get into....

How long the music was written prior too..

Two examples I know of

1) Better.  Robin brought this song in.  Mid to late 90s.  How long had he had this melody written for?
2) Sorry.  Bucket brought this song in.  Late 90s early 00s.  How long had he had the music for this song written for?

No imagine we get the unreleased songs from this recording period....  Same questions.

I really like the album CD.   

But it is not album that flows

Its not a album that has evolved

Its a album with songs chosen from a vast pool of songs all written by different people over many many different years and times and places

i was talking to ginger, but sometimes you as well can be more fair than others, and i do admire your gnr knowledge.

sometimes im a bit harsh. i plan to make a new years resolution about not interfering or trying to correct the manifestations of others but to accept them as they are. well see how that goes. i may have to move over to nightrain if i want to be successful at that because i do get pretty intense about gnr. i just cant stand all the negativity surrounding the bands fanbase. it really sems to piss me off. so maybe it would be better for most if just moved there. i do sincerely like jarmo though, hes been good to me, and when i feel like hes being bullied or ganged up on its hard not to step in. hes such a nice guy, and i feel like people take advantage of that. htgth needs a poster like jim over at gnr truth to help balance things out, and sometimes i think maybe i can be that guy, but ultimately i dont have the time, wits, or connections to gnr he does so i wouldnt be as effective. i wish he was a poster here, i feel like it would make things more fair.



to say cd doesnt flow is mind boggling to me. its like a story or movie. it takes you on a journey as i said above, and a very epic and profound one at that. whether or not it has evolved over time is not important to me. even if the time was needed just to make sure axl wouldnt regret releasing it, to me that was a good call on his part and it must have taken a lot of patience to wait it out like that. bravo.

I think it flows very well, I enjoy listening to the album in it's entirety.

me too. thats the thing... nowadays everybody listens to singles and party music. anything harder to digest than that is hard to get picked up on by folks. people can barely endure a full song, let alone an album. smart phones have made our attention spans weaker than ever. text message, music, game, oh look boobs, funny video, im hungry, all in under a minute. but me, give me an hour long block of continuity, and something deep. if it doesnt make me feel like getting wasted and going wild, i can live with that. i like things that make me reflect, help me step out of my little me and see the bigger picture. maddagascar, prostitute, catcher in the rye, to name a few, they did that for me. they did it hard. i want more of that. i want wizard of oz. not tmz.

if cd doesnt have any flow, i dont know what does. if you want to go somewhere, from a to z and see some sights along the way, cd is a damn good way to do it. cd was like the miyazaki film of rock to me. it was a psychadellic/emotional/psychological/hollywood magic jungle.

I am glad you love the album as much as you do.

I personally really love a couple songs on the album

Like even more

I tbink Bucketheads work was off the charts

Anything Goes, Back Off Bitch, You Could Be Mine, November Rain, Don't Cry etc. Songs that were years old before they were released.  :)




/jarmo

For me, I think I was just too excited to hear new  music by Axl. I don't think I was objective during that first year as a result.  I don't listen to CD as much nowadays. There are some good songs, but not great. If I do listen it's mostly for: "Better", "TWAT",  "CD", "I.R.S", "Prostitute", and "SOD".

I think "This I Love" goes back to when Slash was in the band.

We already have Emily who plays the Jim role to perfection.

"I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that's the heaviest thing that I've ever done." (Axl, Hit Parader, 1993)

YCBM has always been the quintessential Guns song for me.

All of these songs were not recorded before the illusions sessions tho right ?

The lyric "With your bitch slap rappin' and your cocaine tongue you get nothin' done" from the chorus appeared on the inner sleeve of Guns N' Roses' debut album Appetite for Destruction, released in 1987 (the song had already been written by then)

The lyrics could have been written at any time , I just meant were any of those songs recorded earlier on and held back for the illusions albums.

Well it's just that what happens next is probably the worst kept secret in Hollywood.

GNR guitarist Slash wrote in his biography that an 18-minute version of "November Rain" was recorded in 1986 prior the band recording "Appetite For Destruction."

Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/lyrics/Guns-N-Roses-November-Rain.html#ixzz3rTm9rnbV

Explain your original comment.

Thanks.




/jarmo

As much as I really like the album and love a couple of songs on it.   There are a couple of songs I just can't stand.  It's a album I feel has the most stinkers on it.   

Again it's just an opinion.  Not based on facts.  Just how I feel.   Well

So that's when people say the album flows.    Sure the sound, sound great.   But if a couple of those songs do come on.   It's skip skip skip

I thought you said Slash lied in the past.  Now you're quoting him for the truth?  How can you tell when he's lying or being truthful?  ;)

Not so fast Jarmo, I wouldn't underestimate anybody's fanaticism around here!  Put up the presale right now and we'll see.   :hihi:


And you call yourself a real fan!   :P


Let's face it.  Emily is Batman.   :P

I hate going to gigs on the moon... the atmosphere is terrible!

(Thank you, thank you.  I'm here all week, folks.  Try the fish.)

Chinese Democracy I would say has only one stinker on it (i.e. Sorry), it has a couple of forgettable or slightly flawed songs on it as well, but the good far outweighs the bad. 

Brandi (Susans friend) is very unfiltered (it's even the name of her wine lol) and honest for the most part, but sometimes she just says weird shit for the hell of it. So I don't know how reliable I'd call her.

I'll always go see Axl perform (if I can afford to lol), reunion would be fun, but I'm okay with no reunion, too  : ok: :peace: Just hoping he'll do something/release new music in any shape or form. Whenever that is.

I was quoting a statement he made about November Rain, you can choose to believe him or not, I don't care either way. :D

1992/1993 - This I Love - Primarily written in Paris, 1992.

1997 - Oh My God (musically) - this according to Axl's statement on the song when it was released.

1998 - Madagascar written. There was a fan site of a female fan who had been a visitor at Axl's house in August 1998 and she had photos of Axl's house inside to prove she had been there. She mentioned at the time that Axl told her he'd written his first new song, which was called Madagascar. She mentioned this track name long before it became public

1999 - 2000 - IRS, TWAT, Catcher in the Rye, Street of Dreams, Chinese Democracy. Vocals recorded 1999 to 2000. This is based on song titles listed in the January 2000 RS article, as well as the liner notes for CD saying Axl's vocals for these songs were recorded by Sean Beaven, who worked with the band no later than 2000. Oklahoma was only instrumental form as of January 2000, but was recorded. Likely Rhiad was recorded in this period. Prostitute mentioned in an article as one of the songs Axl's been working on. Oh My God's lyrics were written in response to the End of Days film, so while the song existed musically since 1997, the lyrics came in 1999.

2002-2007 - Shackler's Revenge (given this song started off as a Buckethead song, there's no way it could be earlier than 2000 since he joined in 2000), Better, Scraped, Sorry (Baz's vox added in 2006/2007), Shackler's Revenge gets either full or additional lyrics after V-Tech (based on what Axl has said). So, possibly, lyrically, the last thing Axl wrote was Shackler's - either in full or in part.

From what we've been led to understand, recording itself was done in 2007 and the rest of the year and 2008 was spent mixing, mastering, and working out a deal for the roll out of its release.

So for 5 straight years every week Duff would write an article in the Seattle weekly.   He just stopped in the beginning of sept.   Right around when all these rumors have started

What's up with that

Ummm   could be coincidence. Or maybe stuff happening sooner than we think in  regards to show. Or... in the studio...

This was the last one he wrote for Seattle Weekly.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/home/948452-129/writing-column-book-month-started-weekly

^^^^it was in august...

2013!

Hahahahaha

Well so much for that theory.

sorry was the favorite of most of the people i first listened to cd with. the chorus is very catchy. i love the music but cant relate to the lyrics much as i dont have a grudge i hold against anyone and its very against my nature to hold grudges. even my worst grudges have only lasted a few months tops. this is the one song whose message is not so uplifting for me. i love the sound of the song though.

rhiad gets a lot of hate, but it had a hell of a chorus. i wonder if it will get more love if remixed to sound more traditional. either way, i love that song. the lyrics and vocals are awesome, and the intro is very cool.


*btw, whoever told you guys that emily is warchild was full of shit. i know for a fact now that isnt true. believe it or not, it doesnt matter. and whoever said they have similar styles is on crack. thats all ill say on the subject... the person sending those pms was a liar and i know that for a fact.