Here Today... Gone To Hell!

When a studio is booked by a band, you'll have a log of the sessions sometimes, what songs are recorded and whatnot. For example on the Stones album Black & Blue, you got pictures of the session logs in the liner notes, IE: 'Hand of Fate/Rolling Stones Mobile Studio/12-5-1974'.

Would such records exist for GN'R's albums? For example:

'GN'R/'Estranged'/Rumbo Recording Studio/9-21-90'

Or 'GN'R/'Catcher in the Rye'/Rumbo Recording Studio/6-1999

If such records DO exist, would there be any way for the public to find them?

Are you building out your 'where/when to be' Time Machine/Delorean bucket list?

Possibly.

But in seriousness, I just think the dates would be cool, as they would give an idea about the progression of the various songs as they were born and evolved. Am just a history geek in general anyway. It would be cool to see for example when exactly formal recording on the UYIs started, and when it ended. How long it took to record November Rain overall given how much Axl cared about it. Then, stuff like the mysterious 1994-1996 sessions would be cool, to see if any songs or at least working titles were worked on, and if so, on what dates; if the full band at the time was booked and thus together, etc.

For the CD era, it would be cool to see to see when various songs off the album were first started and when they were finished in terms of pure recording. When exactly each Axl vocal track was done, and so on. Just cool to have from a historical perspective.

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I think one of them said that they record in their home studio then send each other parts (becuase Axl and Chris are not near the rest the band who are in New York) so I don't think they record all together until like the final version. I'm not exactly sure.

It gets complicated. Im sure that Stones recorded mainly with ''live'' takes. Meaning that everybody is playing at the same time.

With Guns especially Chinese is bits and pieces lets say the drums for  first verse of Better could have been played by Brain in 12.12.2001 and the chorus could have been played by Frank in lets say in 11.01.2007.
 Bass in 2004 Vocals in 2005 ect.

This was my argument for the past couple of years that nothing serious was getting done

If gnr were in any serious studio with any serious producer we would of heard about it

I also get the excuse

Well there is lots of home studios.   Gnr has a history of trading tapes and in the year 2015 I am sure a lot of things are sent over the Internet

While I agree that may take place. 

Until any serious studio time is booked    There will be no new album.   Unless it is released from all the material left over from the chinease recordings.   

I highly doubt there has been any full recording sessions any time recently....

Its more likely that they've just done bits and pieces and sent them around to each other and their is bit parts of stuff....  ::) :P

In saying that, who are we even talking about? I mean... Dj AND BBF are gone... and by all reports nothing theyve done is/will be used. Or ever will be?? and we are still 2 guitar players down on this band anyway... i think its fairly safe to say that nothing has happened in quite a while or will be happening anytime soon in terms of recording.

As one other well known poster likes to say.. GUNS IS ON HIATUS...  ;)

You will get news when there is something to be announced, until then.. be a good little fan.  :o

That is pretty naive thinking.

Caram and Axl produced Chinese, what makes you think that would change or that someone would come forward out of the blue and disclose information?

Isn't it entirely possible that work has occured without any studio informing the online fan base?

Look at the list of studios listed on Chidem-
Battery Studios Bennett House Can-Am Recorders Capitol Studios Cherokee Studios Electric Lady Studios IGA Studios Studio at The Palms Rumbo Recorders Soundtrack Studios Sunset Sound Recorders The Town House The Village Woodland Ranch

Yep. 

Occam's Razor.

There was also a laundry list of producers that worked on CD that we all heard of

Has guns ever produced an album just off of tracks sent to each other? ,no

They have written music this way.  But from what I know.   No song has ever fully been produced this way.  They alway firm everything up in some studio

And yes I think if Axl was in the studio with any band members we would of heard about it

He could be totally be sitting at home tinkering with music that has already been written and recorded in studios by band members that have left the band many years ago.   I would love to hear that music!

I would love to hear a current band member talking about how they are setting up shop in studio and seriously laying down tracks to already recorded and Axl approved music.  But first we will need band members for that

No answer is going to make everyone happy.  We will always have skeptics and true believers.  Both that believe the other side is being unfair or na?ve.

But how about this?  Could we at least agree that the stance that there is all this stuff going on behind the scenes is the longer shot?  Is that fair?

In other words, we don't dismiss out of hand that there could be all this great work being done in total secret, but its probably more likely there isn't much happening.

Is that an unfair way to put it?  Could that be the compromise position?

Here's another possibility I heard someone mention, the palms studio has been used by GNR before, isn't it possible that when Axl stuck around in Vegas last year after the residency, he could've been working on some songs?

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-engineer-talks-about-recording-process-for-chinese-democracy/

No, I don't think after the leaks happened with the last album that anyone is taking any chances with info or songs getting out.

There are legalities that can be established that would prevent any studio from disclosing info, as well as anyone working on the album.

Why is that so hard to believe?

It's not.  What's being asked is about the contrast in the two positions.

We have people that feel there probably isn't much happening, nor has been lately.  But, even though we consider it the longer shot, there is a chance there is stuff going on no one knows about.  So, 90% there's nothing, 10% there is.

I would think the opposite side puts the 90% on things going on, with only 10% allotted for the possibility nothing is happening. 

But that's not the case.

We seem to have people that feel that things are working we don't know about.  But forget the opposite position that there isn't much going on not just being a longer shot, its an insult and a travesty to suggest that might be the case.

I would think both sides have a 90/10 type of split, based on which side they prefer.  What we are asking you is why you seem to be more like 100/0.  And why people that don't see it that way are na?ve morons.

GUNS N' ROSES Engineer Talks About Recording Process For 'Chinese Democracy'

Richard Abowitz of the Los Angeles Times reports: Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. "I went from 'no way,'" he recalls, "to changing my plane ticket right away." All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary GUNS N' ROSES disc "Chinese Democracy".

Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are "Chinese Democracy", "Madagascar" and "Prostitute".

Now imagine if he did something this sometime in the past year or so.  But sent out a quick tweet with a pic of him in there.

People would be thrilled.  It would buy him both goodwill and time.

Maybe

 :smoking:

You also get the people that get offended when people point out that nothing is going on and hasn't in a while and this will be remembered as one of guns longest breaks of nothingness ever

It's not a bad thing.     But people take such offence to people pointing these things out

I don't think anyone here takes offence to anyone saying that something may be going on. We might just not know about it.   

How do you say there could be something going on that I may not know of!!!   

On a related note, the singer of Tool just labeled some of his band's fans as insufferable people and retards...




/jarmo

I actually have more accurately descriptive terminology, but I don't say it in mixed company.  :D

This is hardly one of the longest periods of perceived "nothingness."

Haha!     :hihi:

Here it is-http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/10/28/maynard-james-keenan-calls-tool-fans-insufferable-retards/

Wonder where GNR fans would rank here?
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-annoying-music-artist-fan-bases/

Does it crack the top 5?

Not in my opinion, the late 90's were worse.

Some heads would implode if Axl said anything similar about GN'R fans, that's for sure.  :hihi:

"We get no updates...."
"He called us stupid!  :crying: "




/jarmo

Obviously true.

But one of the rare times the man himself spoke about actually moving forward.

I think that's why people are sort of wondering what's up.

I agree it would be mind blowing

If Axl came out with....

"I love all my true fans, the ones that keep me on my toes, the ones that are always expecting the best out of me.  To All those other fans, those bind faith fans, the fans that just take what ever it is I give you, hahaha, well you fans...   You can, Stick It!!!"

:)

I agree with him, You have to be if you listen to Tool  :hihi:

Nice fantasy and attempt to validate all the constant  complaining crybabies.  ::)

No time limit, constraint or schedule was announced for the endeavor, shall we review the actual quote?


"We recorded a lot of things before ?Chinese [Democracy]? was out,? revealed Rose (and excerpted by Blabbermouth). ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of ?Chinese.? That?s already recorded.?

Rose went on to add that, ?Then we have a remix album made of the songs from ?Chinese.? That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas, we?re going to start looking very seriously and what we?re doing in that regard.?

Read More: Axl Rose Talks Future Guns N' Roses Albums | http://loudwire.com/axl-rose-future-guns-n-roses-albums-recent-reunion-duff-mckagan/?trackback=tsmclip

18 months later, still lookin'.

But, seriously.  Looking very seriously.

 :hihi:

"Where'd I put that damn album, anyway? Beta!!!"

probably in the vault.

I have a copy of The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn and it's fun to read about the sessions, definitely a good resource when you're listening to the bootlegs. He had the keys to The Beatles vault and listened to everything. I would definitely love to see a GNR Recording Sessions book like that.

didnt you also used to get irritated by the constant complaints? its not all that unreasonable to get bored of it, or even sick of it.

that is a strange fantasy by the way. and then next, after he confesses his secret love, hell write a remix of november rain called november bacon:

dontcha think that ya need some bacon? dontcha know hes my one true friend. everybody needs some bacon. but im not in-to men. but im not in-to men.

dont take too much offense, i just enjoy entertaining myself.

Was there a time frame mentioned or given? Rhetorical question.

If you say you are seriously going to do something that in itself sort of implies a short time frame. But then I guess NASA is seriously looking at sending someone to Mars  ::)

The statement was seriously going to START looking into it, it implied nothing and had NO time frame.

Not sure what you are inferring by Mars reference, if it was an attempt at being witty it failed.

We are all hopeful. We arent all crybabies. Maybe Ax is saving up these crocodile tears to refine the salt from them and start a new line of snack foods in order to help fund future Guns related endeavors. Keep em coming guys, he almost has enough. He plans to release the snack and the next album at the same time I think. Dr. Salty's Bucket of Chinese Stew Flavored Brazilian Chicharones. Cant wait to try them!

as I already said....

Axl... have fun. Ignore us. U gave us enough pleasure in life. Go be happy, chill, and dont worry about us. We are not your responsibility. Hope you give us more good music one day, untill then.
Peace, and thank you.

nice post! i agree. the temptation of new tunes is very great, but we can live without them. very good point lucky.

If you just go by the worrying in that statement alone.  It would imply that nobody was serious looking at anything yet.....  And they were just about to start.  Hahaha

i see no worrying in that statement. if anyone's worrying, its me about all this reunion talk. if a reunion swallowed up or delayed cd 2, i would be so bummed. it would not be worth it at all. i dont think axl will do that to cd 2, but the mere prospect of it is enough to make me a glum chum. but nah... i dont think that will happen. i would be very surprised. i think that idea was crafted by hopeful reunionists. the idea that some people would rather just shelf the cd legacy and move on with the only version of guns they can accept, the one that ended ages ago, is unfathomable to me.

Looking VERY seriously, at what they are doing in that regard.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/maynard-james-keenan-responds-to-fan-uproar-about-new-times-story-7780052

Yeah, not all fans, some.... But we all know that if you speak out against a small group that are part of a bigger group, it equals insulting everyone. ;)



/jarmo

Give me the success story of picking a fight with your fans.

Band, athlete, movie star...what have you.

Where is the example where it all worked out for the best?

Since the onset of internet access some "fans" have used it as an outlet and a vehicle to complain, whine and vent- about everything.

the constant barrage of entitled online outrage is frankly annoying. It?s a symptom of fan entitlement, fueled by the notion that, because geek culture is now taken seriously by the mainstream media, their demands should be respected damn the consequences.
 
One has to wonder at times where the distinction between tasteful understated nerdrage and entitled whining lies.

Give it a rest.

So...no example, then?

Metallica sued some of their fans, they're till huge. ;)

Anyway, just because there's no real success stories doesn't mean it's not right. I don't know anything really about Tool fanatics, but I wouldn't be surprised if Maynard has a point in what he said, unfortunately for him, it obviously gets twisted to generate more attention.

Also, "picking a fight with your fans" sounds like a crappy generalization. In this case, it wasn't what happened.
Like I said, if you speak out against one little group, or one individual, within a bigger group, doesn't mean everybody is included. This is the mistake the pity party participants always make.




/jarmo

If I had fans as nasty as some of Axl's, Id be forced to fight with some individuals every now and then. Some people have it coming. Sometimes I feel like that's what you want... for him to show up here and go toe to toe with you.

You say "picking a fight", but who is actually picking the fight when he goes off? Does he just walk up to his fans while they are in line and start randomly pushing them around? Werent you the one that said sometimes he should defend himself?

Ax cant win with you DX. I am convinced there is some unknown motive that drives you here on htgth. I dont buy that you are just some regular fan. Just my opinion.

Same goes for Maynard. Im sure he didnt pick the fight. Why would he? It wouldnt make any sense.

Maynard said it quite good: "User @nathan_felts tweeted, "hilarious that you can flat out insult your core fanbase then shit in a ziplock and they'd still buy it. now THATS talent" [sic]. Keenan responded, "Our core fanbase aren't fanatics. They're music lovers & artists & good people. Its the fanatics that are insufferable.""

No, it wasn't.

But I'm seeing a lot of black slapping and har-de-har-har type sentiment about what they did say.

I'm just wondering where that's worked.  I think the reason you don't have an example is because there really isn't one.

Look, fans are by their very nature, insane.  Fanbases of any interest or topic will obviously be filled with people that spend an outsized portion of their time on the subject.  And I'm sure, at times, they are annoying as shit.  Celebs have a great life, but the trade off of your privacy is absolutely a thing.

But taking shots at diehard fans that stick with you, let's face it, no matter what?  Never a good idea.  Not for a band, a team, whoever.

Forget being a can't win argument, its fundamentally unsound business practice.

I have said that.

He does himself no favors staying silent if he thinks he's been wronged and letting the supposedly false story prosper.  Who remembers the correction 6 months later, on page A8?  They only remember the headline.

Which would be fine if he truly didn't care.  But he does care.  He's long issued disapproval with now people spread lies and he can't stand that's what people choose to believe.  That seems a normal reaction.  What doens't seem normal is not lifting a finger to correct the record when it clearly bothers him.

I don't think Axl picks fights either.  I don't think he does much of anything, communication wise.

But even what he did say, did it makes sense?

You see the reaction.  That's a surprise?

What's the honest chance that fans were going to look for nuance in his answer and make a good, reasoned decision before freaking out?

Would be nice, but come on.

Ah, yes, the sleeper agent theory.

Well, according to my inbox, we've already got a guy here working the Duplicate Accounts / Alias desk.  Maybe he'll have a break.

What kind of fan you are depends on everything you do or say about the artist you "support"

If you spend thousand of dollars on concert tickets, cd`s etc. but behave like shit, acting like the artists owes you something... you got the products you paid for, but still acts like a dick.

I think its good that people like Maynard says it like it is... Listen to the Tool songs "Hooker with a penis" that songs is exactly about this kind of subject..

Sorry but i gotta post the Lyrics.. =)

Hooker With A Penis"

I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope Beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was OGT, (Original Gangster Tool)
From '92,
The first EP.

And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.

Well now I've got some
A-dvice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

And if I'm the man,

Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

So I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

So...Shut up and

Buy my new record
Send more money
Fuck you, buddy.

Ah, the daily whining of entitled "fans."

Please, sing me the song of your people.  :crying:

Tell me how difficult your life is, and how you are mistreated by GNR.

Tell us all how you have all the e-expertise and armchair quarterback knowledge to sort everything out.
 that you deem is "wrong" (without really knowing.)

Drag up old issues time and time again, and never quit offering unsolicited amateur advice about non-negotiable issues.

Play it again Sam.

Good for Maynard....tell it like it is. I love Tool and his other side projects....may have to try his wine!  :hihi:

The thing about Maynard is you can't really complain about his output because he doesn't just release a Tool album every 7 years he also has side projects and has dedicated himself to the craft of winemaking in a very serious way. Not just using his celebrity to make some plonk, he is passionate about it.

You really can't complain about anyone's output, there is no required nor set agreed upon terms or timetable on which an Artist must release music- unless they have this in contractual form from the label they signed with.

There is no contract between a band and it's fans, although some "fans" seem to mistakenly think so.

I didn't say that it worked because it's a losing battle to begin with. Like I said, if you speak out against one individual or a little group of fans, there's others who start their pity party by claiming everybody should feel attacked and/or insulted. In reality, not all fans were attacked.

This is the down side of the Internet. Everybody gets a voice and often it's not the supportive fans who are the most vocal ones.




/jarmo

Without the fans, a band would be nowhere.

Ultimately, true.

If you don't want to deal with fans, don't do this as a business.  Play the corner bar for free drinks and half priced apps.

Even if you play the corner bar, they'd still yell "Freebird!".




/jarmo

Without a band the fans would be nowhere.

 ::) Oh of course. We'd all be sitting in the dark in our rooms wondering what to do with ourselves if gnr never existed?

You really need to get a grip.  :-*

Well you sure as hell wouldn't be posting here, that's for sure.



/jarmo

True... but whats the point?

I've never heard another fan, of any band say something like what was posted above?

You really need to read what is actually posted and not what your biased view automatically assumes.

I was referring to the symbiotic relationship between any given band and it's fans, it is mutually beneficial.

Symbiosis is any interdependent or mutually beneficial relationship between two persons, groups, etc.

You made a statement which has no relevance to what you are trying to claim now. . Try explaining yourself in greater detail the first time if you dont want to be called out. Otherwise.. you are talking your usual shit emily.

Says a noted negative shit spewer

The relationship between fans and band is symbiotic in nature, was having that discussion IRL with someone and the post gave me deja vu.

Feel free to wipe your mouth now. :D

Even if i wanted to buy into your shit.. which i don't.... the original post i quoted had nothing to do with the path you've tried to take this down.

Feel free to wipe your chin anytime.   :-*

Sorry you magical sparkly psychic powers have failed you again, Symbiosis is an actual term.

Feel free to wipe all your chins.  :hihi:

Emily... do you get sick of being owned on here?

You dribble shit.. got called out, and now you concoct a big load of dribble to try and sound intelligent to cover your tracks and it's making you look ridiculous yet again.

Time to move on sweet heart.

Really.   :-*

Sorry, your narrow little perceptions are your own, I think You look ridiculous for not knowing what Symbiosis was.

Don't worry, lots of people aren't particularly gifted intellectually, I'm sure you have lots of other lovely qualities.

Time to move on sugar pants.

Really  :-*

Pretty much sums up what happened at Missouri...

What? That in most cases bands start before they got any fans?

I think the issue stems from the fact that some fans think that because the band couldn't exist without them, they are indeed "owed" something. Yes, I used the O-word to paint a picture. Not saying it applies to every fan, every situation or that it's the perfect word to describe the fan/band relationship. But once you start thinking "This band would be nothing without me", then you're getting close to that territory in my opinion.

Often the opposite is forgotten, that same person wouldn't be the same without the band. For example, I'm sure that because of GN'R and the music they've created, you got something out of it during these years....
But then, I'm not saying the band doesn't love their fans or that they don't need them.


/jarmo