Here Today... Gone To Hell!

While most people are focusing on the alleged imminent reunion, another possible that seems to be overlooked is the fact that GN'R is one of few bands who haven't re-released their albums in those Deluxe or anniversary editions yet.

What's your opinion on these? Do you buy them from other artists bands you like? Do you go for the most expensive edition or something else (often there's a more simple version with only CDs and then the most expensive ones with LPs, Blu-rays, books and stuff)?

IF Universal Music and GN'R decided to release this kind of versions of the GN'R albums, what would you like to see on them? It seems like hardcore fans often have a better idea of what's available on bootleg than the average person who puts these things together.

So let's focus on the studio albums. What would you like to see on a anniversary / deluxe edition of these albums?

Appetite For Destruction
GN'R Lies
Use Your Illusion I
Use Your Illusion II
"The Spaghetti Incident?"
Chinese Democracy

Keep in mind, this is supposed to be somewhat constructive. No need to remind people that they are stupid for wanting something or that nobody would buy it etc.
Thanks!



/jarmo

First thing that comes to mind would be better quality versions of :

Crash Diet
Brink It Back Home
Just Another Sunday

Now, they may not exist.  The versions that we have all had for 20 years, that might be all there is.  But even if they could just touch up the sound with some sort of studio wizardry, I'd be very interested in that.

In the more general sense, I'm always more interested in unreleased songs than I am 3 alternate takes of 'Welcome to The Jungle'.  Of the random live version of a song.

Which release would those be on?

That's another discussion.
For example, Don't Cry existed in demo form before AFD was recorded, would you included that on AFD or UYI deluxe edition?


/jarmo

RE-released on vinyl (picture disc's), with possible Axl Biography and genuine Live Era 86-2014  :yes:

An example:

Appetite For Destruction
Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - original album remastered
Disc 3 - demos from 1986 (album tracks, Heartbreak Hotel, Jumping Jack Flash)
Disc 4 - Possibly more demos or alternative mixes/versions
Disc 5 - Live in London 1987

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GN'R Lies

Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - original album remastered
Disc 3 - Live tracks without added crowd noise, Shadow Of Your Love, Alternative demo versions if they exist
Disc 4  -Live tracks if they exist from pre-AFD era. Live at CBGB.





/jarmo

I?m a fan of the re-releases with unreleased tracks.
In some ways, it?s the best case scenario, because even though the band clearly didn?t think those songs were ready for primetime back then, B-Sides recorded in the band?s prime are more often than not in my experience more appealing than more recent original material.

Rolling Stones, Faces, Thin Lizzy, Soundgarden are a few somewhat recent examples that come to mind.

Re-releases featuring only live versions are usually less appealing to me, but whereas Guns was so damn good live, I?d probably be tempted to pick that up if it were the case.

I?d prefer vinyl. Hate to say it, but think my CD buying days may be over, so if not released on wax, would probably just purchase the tracks I don?t already own on iTunes or something for the iPod.

Yeah.  I'd like to see something new...like an unreleased track or a remix.  Something to add to what we already have. 

2016 - Use Your Illusions ? 25th anniversary edition

CD 1 & 2: Original albums
CD 3 & 4: Remastered albums
CD 5 & 6: Stripped down mixes of the albums (rawer sound)
CD 7: Demos and outtakes
BD 1 & 2: Live in Tokyo 92, remastered
BD 3: Perfect Crime - Use Your Illusion World Tour documentary + feature with news clips surrounding the release of the albums.

Book with interviews with band members and the people involved in doing the albums. History of the world tour accompanying the albums. Storyboards for the music videos.

Selection of posters from the world tour.

Guitar picks with design used on the tour.

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2017 - Appetite For Destruction ? 30th anniversary edition

CD 1: Original Album
CD 2: Remastered Album
CD 3: Early live recordings of the songs
CD 4: Demos
CD 5: Re-recorded Appetite (1999)

All singles included in the box-set.

Book with interviews with the band members and the people involved in doing the album. Original ideas for music videos and album art.

Picture book with concert posters, band photos, live photos and photos from the studio.

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2018 - GN'R Lies ? 30th anniversary edition

CD 1: Original album
CD 2: Remastered album
CD 3: Alternate takes
CD 4: Interview disc with band members.

Poster set with photos of the instruments used in the recording.

High Quality photo from the Patience recording/music video

Book with the story of getting signed to Geffen and the recording of Live Like A Suicide.

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2018 - Chinese Democracy ? 10th anniversary edition

CD 1: Original Album
CD 2: 1999 mix of the album
CD 3: Outtakes
CD 4: Remix album
CD 5: Songs with alternate guitar solos
BD 1: Rock Am Ring
BD 2: Music videos

Book with the story of the making of Chinese Democracy, including photos from the studio.

All three booklets are included in the box-set.

Posters from the world tour.

Guitar picks with designs used during the world tour.








To sum up, I vote Yay.

Use Your Illusion I

Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - original album remastered
Disc 3 - Demos (Don't Cry, November Rain, Back Off Bitch etc), alternative mixes/versions, Ain't Going Down
Disc 4 & 5 - Live show with Izzy from 1991


Use Your Illusion II

Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - original album remastered
Disc 3 - Demos, alternative mixes/versions (KOHD from Days Of Thunder)
Disc 4 & 5 - Live show from 1993 with Gilby and the acoustic set


Chinese Democracy

Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 & 3 - Alternative versions, demos
Disc 4 - Remixes
Disc 5 - Live tracks




/jarmo

I recently purchased a deluxe box set of the velvet underground, I would personally love to see GNR release something in the way of a boxed compilation :love:

I for one would love to see remaster deluxe sets.  I've bought them for my favorite artists, and for Guns I would go all in.

I'd like to see remastered versions of each cd, bonus tracks including unreleased demos, and live stuff from the vaults.  One in particular that deserves release is the '87 Marquee show.  Include DVDs (we know there's a treasure trove from UYI). 

I think Spirit saved this thread, Id be happy with a box set like this, plus Jarmo's
suggestion of alternative versions of songs from Chinese, that'd be awesome!!! Not
interested in a simple coloured vinyl re-release  or something like that though.

Here's another thought. Sometimes in order to fit songs onto an album (LP, CD), they need to be shortened.

When you have something like a boxset, you obviously got more space. So maybe songs that fade out on the version we have on the albums, would be different if they didn't need to fade them out?



/jarmo

All these ideas are great ones!!! Hell, I can't pick just one!!! These editions would be welcomed into my collection....next year is 30 years that GN'R formed so why not?

Hey Jarmo

I've mentioned before that I would love to see Chinese Democracy as a 24bit release (24/192 or 24/96) -- but more than ANYTHING, I'd love to see a Deluxe/Super-Deluxe version of the Chinese Democracy recording sessions, akin to Bob Dylan's recent 18CD super Bootleg Series 12 release of material from 1965-1966.  I would empty my bank account for this kind of stuff.

I would love to see all of the albums released as deluxe editions full of demos and sbd concerts and videos.  The hardcore fans, like me, will buy the super deluxe sets, and you can have smaller 2CD releases with a disc of b-sides, while the bigger sets get complete demo recording sessions, etc.

I would also gladly sell my soul for the terabytes of Buckethead noodling in the studio from 2000-2004.

I agree. I'm such an iphone girl now, hopefully they would do something on itunes as well.

Ha!  :hihi:


I didn't know Dylan released an 18CD box. Wow!



/jarmo

Sounds pretty perfect.
I would also like if, for a Spaghetti re-release, they released as bonus tracks other songs they had recorded for that album but never released. Gilby said they recorded a lot of songs, including a lot of Iggy Pop and Hanoi Rocks covers that didn't make the cut - It'd be cool to see those released on a Spaghetti Incident re-release.

AFD...would want the album remastered with the original artwork on the cover...just a badass pic and perfect for that album. Disc 2 would be the best alternate takes and demos from the AFD sessions which would include covers and demos for songs that ended up on UYI. I want stuff recorded during that timeframe.

Lies...just add Cornshucker.

UYI....nothing here really other than remaster, box together and add the UYI tour documentary as a dvd...

SI....nothing

CD....I can't really decide at this point because we haven't heard the rest of the recorded songs. But, if it was just Chinese songs, I would prefer to have it re-released with the red hand artwork and have a second disc of alternate takes, alternate mixes, demos etc.
***Ultimately, for Chinese, I would like to see all the A-listed tracks that were fully recorded prior to 2008 be released in a boxset. Tommy said there were 22 unreleased tracks that didn't make it on to Chinese. That makes 36 songs total....3 cd boxset. Bam!  :peace:

I'd purchase all of this stuff... but the UYI documentary... i'd shell out anything and everything for that.

I have no proof, but considering both CDs are at almost the maximum capacity of what a CD holds, maybe there would be space for alternative longer mixes of some of the songs....




I don't know if they ever finished those.
I know there were rumors of Down On The Street (The Stooges) and A Beer And A Cigarette (Hanoi Rocks).



/jarmo

Gilby: "While we were on the road, we'd go and record a couple more songs here and there. We actually did a couple of Hanoi Rocks songs that never made it, and a bunch of Iggy Pop songs that never made it, though one did make it. We recorded a bunch of stuff over a year, every now and then. It was cool."

Those titles I posted are the ones I read about. I don't know what the other songs would be....
Neither do I know if they were finished with vocals and all.  :)



/jarmo

Wow. Thanks, never read that before. Wonder what the other Hanoi song was. Would indeed be nice to hear. I would like to hear the full Appetite version it was rumoured the "new" lineup recorded.  Maybe they could release it as a double? Or a tripple,  with polished versions of Appetite era recordings of song like Don't Cry, November Rain, Back Of Bitch etc.

Deluxe Editions, Double Album:

* Disc1: Hits From 1987-2008

* Dic2: SideB

 : ok:

So you're saying you want a Best Of compilation with two discs? One with B sides.



/jarmo

Appetite For Destruction
Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - live tracks/demos/alternates
Disc 3 - more live tracks/demos/alternates
Disc 4 - live in London 1987

GN'R Lies
Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - live tracks/demos/alternates
Disc 3 - live in Hollywood 1986
Disc 4 - live in Tokyo 1988

Use Your Illusion I
Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - live tracks/demos/alternates
Disc 3 & 4 - live in Indiana 1991

Use Your Illusion II
Disc 1 - original album
Disc 2 - live tracks/demos/alternates
Disc 3 & 4 - live in Argentina 1993

Chinese Democracy
Disc 1 - original album
Dics 2 - The Remix Album
Disc 3 - Chinese Democracy performed live (selected "best versions" cuts featuring the 01, 02, 06, 07 and 09 lineups)
Disc 4 & 5 - live in Rio 2001

Chinese Democracy II
Disc 1 - Chinese Democracy II
Disc 2 - demos/alternates from I and II
Disc 3 - more demos/alternates from I and II
Disc 4 & 5 - live in Tokyo 2007

...or something similar. Great thread. :thumbsup:

I'm somewhat surprised that Guns never did a cover of a song from Queen considering Axl is a huge Freddie Mercury fan.

I would happily snap up anything Guns release Jarmo, but I'd just hope that anything released wouldn't be at the expense of a new album.

Of course, if the Chinese deluxe reissue included the other unreleased material from that era it would be a win-win for me and countless other Guns fans!  ;D

Same, I would like any new GNR release. If they do any anniversary or deluxe editions, I would like to see some unheard stuff be on it.

I think what Nirvana and Pantera (to a lesser extent) have done with anniversary editions of albums is exactly how a re-release should be.

Demos, live recordings, alternate mixes, video of making the albums, video of new interviews with the members who played on the album, unreleased songs that didn't make the cut (Crash Diet, Ain't Goin' Down, Just Another Sunday etc) are all things I would love to see on a GN'R special edition album.



 :peace:

i will buy any cd re release hands down, even if just for alternative artwork, but boy oh boy if it had the remixes, or even just live versions... man alive. id go haywire. anything with the cd title, and im buying. then again, if i just hear the chinese exchange students chatting in chinese around campus i poop my pants and go "its cd 2!!!... oh wait, damnit". loved the intro to cd.

the others, if they had new tracks that were never officially released, remixes, alternate takes, i would buy them hands down.

There should also be a book detailing the recording sessions and a documentary to go along with it, this way people can have an idea of what they were working on at the time, and in what order they recorded the songs in.

Some box sets include handwritten lyrics that would be better off in a collection like this than hanging up in some Hard Rock or in some private collection that few people would ever get to see.

After the Led Zep companion discs came out, it would be cool to hear what GNR's alternates as well as the demos.

Absolutely agree. That would be too cool. Anniversery of CD is coming up... it would be the perfect time for a re release!

Hey that's an interesting idea. I have always cranked up the volume to get that last little bit of a song before it sinks into the abyss. Nighttrain for example keeps rocking really hard-would love to hear how it continued!

I don't care for stuff like this, if however AFD would get some sort of re-release/box set I think Marc Canter's book should be included. Preferably an updated version with Axl's views/thoughts as well.

That would be cool. Axl's inclusion for that book would be amazing.

If CDs had been the standard in 1987, maybe that particular song would've been longer?
I think both Appetite and the Illusion albums have a number of tracks that fade out. Now, we don't know if they fade out because of time constraints or what.



/jarmo

You have to remember it was a d?but album, in my mind would cast doubt on the record company agreeing to "above average" song lengths even if the band wanted to make them longer. Of course, once the label had all the cash from AFD, the songs could be a long as the band wanted, indeed it was a case of "fuck it, make it a double..."

Yeah, that's a reasonable theory. But whatever is true, you can't change the fact that the most popular formats at the time dictated just how much music they could put out at once. One LP (AFD) and then two CDs (UYI). Even though they could make 10 minute songs on the Illusions, they still had about 76 minutes of music on each CD. And therefore maybe some things had to be shortened (fade out etc.)?

Also worth noting that even though AFD was a debut album, it had six minute plus songs. Hardly the norm for what you were supposed to release?


/jarmo

Led Zep I and Skynyrd's first album have multiple long tracks...just off the top of my head...that was 1969 and 1973....not unheard of for band's to come out with epics right off the bat.

would love to hear some more November Rain demos as multiple band members have talked about it's varying degrees of length so there must be something on tape.

Yeah, that one too.

A great example of what I was originally talking about it Pretty Tied Up.
Ever wondered where Axl sings the last paragraph of the lyrics printed in the booklet?

(But I can tell you a thing or two
'Bout somethin' else
If you really wanna know-Know what I'm sayin')

The song fades out before that. Or maybe it's my hearing....
But the longer version is available on bootlegs.



/jarmo

Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing that.  I love that song.

And also spent time back in the day listening to it over and over again, headphones cranked, to try and hear it.

the demo for 14 Years is awesome too...extended outro. : ok:

It would also be cool if they put out a couple of the multitracks online so the fans can mess around with them and do their own remixes like NIN did a few years back.

The multitracks worked for NIN because it was NIN. I mean, they've always released remixes. So in a way, it was a continuation of that.

I don't know if GN'R fans and NIN fans have an interest in making their own remixes in common?



/jarmo
 

Really hope that we'll have some kind of anniversary editions, for Appetite and UYI 1&2s at least.
Perfect Crime documentary would be unbelievable to get. So would some proshot stuff from 01-07 for the CD anniversary.

Since the Greatest Hits was such of huge success, i would imagine Universal will release some sort of new best of album (with better songlist and some extras would be nice) soon, since it's been quite a while (2004).

I wonder if there was a version of DTJ recorded with Axl on vocals? Wondering because even before Izzy left the band, Axl sung it live. I'd kill to hear that version if so.

Izzy did a great job on that song on the album, but live, Axl owns that song.

Interesting discussion! Would be very cool to get few more bonus and alternative tracks.

Appetite For Destruction
Keep the mix and mastering nearly as is. Maybe add a tiny bit of volume if it works without losing sound quality. IMO the "classic" reputation of this album makes it very hard to change without getting a big backlash.
Add the old '86 demos of You Could Be Mine, Don't Cry, Back of Bitch as bonus.

GN'R Lies
On this one we could seriously improve it by removing all the fake crowd noise.
Add recordings of Shadow Of Your Love, Heartbreak Hotel, Jumping Jack Flash and Cornchucker as bonus

Use Your Illusion I & Use Your Illusion II
Revisit the mix on some of the songs to remove some of the effects and samples. Some examples:
- Garden: remove the background voice at the start
- Knocking on Heaven's Door: removing that phone call please :-)
- Dead Horse: remove echo/reverb on Axl's voice at the start (keep his voice, just less effects)
- Coma: remove woman voices around 7:15
- Get In The Ring: remove the personal rants and also remove strong effects on some Axl's vocals
- Pretty Tied Up: strip it down to its core, a nice rocking tune

Maybe even the track order could be revisited. Axl mentioned being rushed to get the two albums out of the doors. With that in mind, it make sense to retouch these two albums.

Great bonus could be Ain't Going Down and maybe even the old demo recording of This I Love from '92 or '93. All the other unreleased songs could be packaged with '89 demos of the UYI tracks. If Crash Diet was actually recorded all by GNR members, add it too as bonus.

"The Spaghetti Incident?"

Add all the unreleased songs which were recorded. Even if that means having multiple covers from the same band.

Chinese Democracy

I wish they could release older alternate versions of the albums, like having a full length 1999 version of CD and also one album with just the 2002 demos. Releasing Catcher of the Rye with Brian May on it would be nice.

It may have been a rumor that was eventually proven inaccurate, but I remember hearing that Appetite For Destruction had been re-recorded perhaps for a re-release with "Don't Cry" and another song included with the set of songs. I think it would be cool to hear those different versions and/or album.

I will actually pass on that one... I'm all for not letting Guns N Roses die...

but certain things should be left alone... kinda like Jurassic Park sequels!

http://thecuttingedge.bobdylan.com/jam/like-a-rolling-stone

But is that for remixing or highlighting the different tracks?



/jarmo

Something that popped up in another thread.

Allegedly Sweet Child O' Mine was longer but the record company thought it'd be too long, so it was edited down.



/jarmo

I read that the record company forced the single version to be shorter, which pissed off the band. The video version is also shorter.



Btw, i always liked when Axl often added that But I can tell you a thing or two
'Bout somethin' else
If you really wanna know-Know what I'm sayin'
in some live versions

Yeah, the edits are even shorter....

But even the album version seems to be shorter than originally planned.



/jarmo

Are we talking about the length of the guitar intro, or are there other parts that were intended to be longer?

There were more lyrics, that they cut. That's what I read on the Internet!

 :hihi:


/jarmo

Love these ideas.  I would buy all of it

Some I agree with here, some not.

Do you mean the "no, I won't" at the beginning of 'The Garden'?  I don't know.  Does that make a big difference?

Never understood the inclusion of that phone call bit in KOHD.  The first place I had that track was the 'Days Of Thunder' soundtrack.  I assumed it was a clip from the movie.

Would not want to mess with Axl's voice on 'Dead Horse' or any other track.  Pearl Jam, Ozzy, Megadeth have all re-issued stuff with remixes, if not outright re-recorded parts.  I do not care for them.

I would NEVER remove those women's voices.  The doctors and the women are a big part of setting that songs' mood for me.

Do think the name checking of people that done Axl wrong was childish at the time, and sound dated as fuck now.  And there is a good guitar solo buried underneath it too.

Would not change 'Pretty Tied Up'.

A third verse Axl wrote was edited out because the record company thought it made the song too long.

The internet is a handy tool :hihi:

When Megadeth released 'Peace Sells' 25h anniversary Box Set, they did this and I tought it was pretty cool. http://www.discogs.com/Megadeth-Peace-Sells-But-Whos-Buying/release/3080597

So with GNR I'd like to see something like this:

AFD & Lies

cd1 - original album remastered (Extended Nightrain etc.)
cd2 - original album remixed & remastered (I think the original album sounds perfect already but this could be fun. I liked what Mustaine did with Megadeth albums.)
cd3 - Lies, original album remastered
cd4 - demos & unreleased songs
cd5 - live cd
dvd's - live dvd, music videos & making of etc. extras


UYI I & II
cd1-2 - original albums remixed & remastered (some songs sounds awful with headphones)
cd3-4 - demos & unreleased songs
cd5 - live cd
dvd's - live dvd, music videos & making of etc. extras


TSI?!
cd1 - original album remastered
cd2 - Izzy version
cd3 - demos & unreleased songs

Vinyl and Hi-Res versions, like Pono, could be cool too. They sound better than CD versions.

CD
Not yet. Too soon to re-release. IMO.


But to honest I usually don't care when bands have alternate takes on these 'deluxe editions' because mostly they don't sound that different from the versions that ended up on the album. I listen them once and that's it. "Oh this version has slightly different guitar part". Yipee. But they are the reason why people buy them.

First of all... a GnR boxset wil be perfect for us, the fans. Ill like anything but less something like Live Era. PLEASE dont touch the original voice or the original guitar, etc. The way it was, was the perfect thing!!!

From AFD:

- Original CD
- Remastered CD
- a Special remake made by Axl/Slash/Duff (and the others)
- Demos or songs that left out like Dont Cry (and more)
- Bluray (forget the word DVD) From exclusive material like the Marc Canter tapes and some Proshots from Marquee (like the Rollings Stones)

From Lies:

- Original Cd
- Remastered without fake audience
- CD Some songs/demos that never released from that era.
- Bluray with doing some Studio, doing the Patience videoclip and the CBGB.

UYI 1 and 2

- CDs original
- Bluray audio with all songs fadeout-less (idk how to say this), with remastered.
- Remixes
- bluray. Documentary from 91-92-93 tour.
- some unknow proshots like Sao Paulo 92. MIAMI 92. MEXICO 92. COLOMBIA 92. VENEZUELA 92.
- MORE PROSHOTS FROM 93.

TSI.

- Cd original
- Cd remastered with a b-Sides from songs that left out (idk if that songs exists)

Chinese:

- CD original
- CD remake by the oldGNR

Others:

A TOKYO 92 with Coma Bluray concert. An Upgrade Tokyo 92 UNCUT and only the concert.

And... i can pay for that 500 usd.

The scary part about remastering something is when it sounds worse. Due to the loudness war.




Well if the material isn't in HD, why would you need a Blu-ray disc for it?
A VHS sourced recording probably won't look that amazing just because you put it on a Blu-ray. ;)



/jarmo

Hopefully some company or someone will find a way to up-up-upscale non-HD material,master it the hell out and make a bluray out of it.Then a new collector's chapter opens up  ;)

Absolutely,
I think theres no need to remaster those records. Even thou The Spaghetti Incident and Live Era are extremely compressed.

Most remastered versions suck nowdays, exception are the new The Clash and Zeppelin remasters, they are actually less compressed (quieter) than the previous remasters that came out on both cases in  the mid/late 90s.

Any AFD era demos of YCBM out there?

Oh, I wouldn't even know what to choose from all these! I would probably buy everything! I would definitely love box sets of everything, including video releases. There are concerts from the 70's with Elvis for example that look awesome on Blu-Ray, I would be surprised if they couldn't upscale something shot in the '90s.

Not to forget a Blu-Ray disc of the reunion tour, maybe they could play full Appetite live and release it, some bands did that for anniversaries. And yeah, bundles, bundles, on CD, vinyl, iTunes, with booklets, let's get crazy here, I would start saving money tomorrow!

Thats the answer. Or can be the Bitrate of the bluray. Idk... in the 80-90s the laserdisc was the best thing but put that im a 60" full Hd TV like now (4K is the last thing maybe...).

Most of Queen fans are still sad or angry for the last Freddy Tribute Bluray because was a SDBluray.

Personally I'm not that interested in remixed versions of AFD, Lies or the UYI's.

I'd be more interested in hearing unreleased material and alternate versions of released material... something like Lost Dogs by Pearl Jam or With The Lights Out by Nirvana. But I don't know how much there really is to choose from, especially from the earlier years. Cornshucker would be nice, of course ;)

Would love any sort of collection or boxed set(s) from GNR, they haven't delved into this area, so far -as other bands have.

I would gladly buy any collection released.

Like Emily an Kasuu saids... anything unleaked or unreleased will be awesome.

But if u do to me a question ill choose all available. Like Ax singing Mery Christmas under the shower... i want that too. We r fans, we want all.

Good point.

So, what's better: A career spanning box set with unreleased / hard to find songs or separate releases for each album?




/jarmo

I think a career spanning box set would fit better after the band retires. For now, I'm all for fully focused separate releases.

Hard to choose 1. I want unreleased/unknow material from 85 to 96....

I quite enjoy silent films.  If you get DVD/ Blu Ray issues of classic films like Metropolis or The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari from big labels like Eureka, you often get a pretty substantial booklet with it (I'm talking in the region of 80 pages), with things like essays on the films and their directors, trying to set them in their context, critical-theoretical essays from film scholars, maybe reviews from when the films came out that show you how they were received at the time (Metropolis, incredible as it seems now, was a box-office disaster).

How about that kind of thing for, for instance, a special reissue of Appetite for Destruction?  Say a couple of retrospective essays on what it meant for rock music in the late 1980s, a few contemporary reviews from rock magazines at the time, a short piece on recording technology and how the record was made... I would definitely be interested in that.  Match that up with a triple disc set: 1) the album as it is 2) demos, outtakes 3) live performances (maybe an official release of the Ritz concert as a representative example of what the band was like as a live act in those days).

A similar format would work equally well for the Use Your Illusion albums.

You might need considerably more than an 80-page booklet to give decent coverage of how and why Chinese Democracy developed the way it did, of course... I suspect the market for a special issue of Chinese Democracy would be rather smaller than for the older albums, but a detailed book with new and contemporary interviews on the process, a chapter on the development of each of the songs, a section on the touring to promote the album - I would certainly buy that.

A nice booklet in addition tot he discs themselves would definitely add value to such a release.

That could even be its own edition, like a super deluxe ultra mega ultimate edition.


/jarmo

It would be nice if they celebrated the fast approaching 10 year anniversary of Chinese Democracy with the next 'Chinese Democracy' album.  :P

Point being, re-releases are fun and all, but why tinker with that when you allegedly have a finished album with *new* songs ready to go?

I would definitely be interested in obtaining a mega re-release
Of CD, along with a correct booklet for my collection - in addition to any and all new releases.

Perfect.

Idem... Dreams Is Free

 : ok:

AfD
-original album version
-remastered version
-demos and outtakes
-live '85-'93
-rerecorded '99 version

Lies
-original album version
-remastered version
-version with the live audience

UYI
-original album version
-remastered version
-demos and outtakes
-live '90-'93
-Perfect Crime Tour documentary

TSI?
-original album version
-remastered version
-songs with Izzy
-demos and outtakes
-live versions

CD
-original album
-remastered version
-version from '99
-demos and outtakes
-live '01-'14


Live
Live Era '85-'93 (3-4 cd's)
Live Ers '01-'07 (3-4 cd's)
Live Era '09'-'14 (3-4 cd's)
Live Era '16-'17 (3-4 cd's)

Yay for anything new, even if it's old. :P

Yep, that's what I meant. That's why deluxe editions with unheard material would be always something I'd buy.

10 year anniversary or Chinese Democracy? That is a joke right?

It's sad that it has been 8 years since the release of CD... and I'd want so many other things from the old days before a 10 year anniversary...  :confused:

I suggest you cool it with the insults aimed at those who don't share your limited liking of GN'R's musical output.




/jarmo

I don't know.  I've seen "special anniversary" DVDs of movies that didn't exactly set the world on fire.

What I think hurts the chances here is the complete dissolution of the band that did it.  Hell, even before it came out the first time.  Coupled the complete lack of interest they would have coming back and contributing anything of value to make the re-release new, compelling, or different in any way.

Really? It wasn't meant to be this massive thing. I just think it is silly that people are even thinking about a 10 year anniversary thing bro. That is still 2 full years away. And I'd want like 10 other things released before a CD stuff.

I like Chinese Democracy, but I just don't think it should be considered for any special editions. It's not really been out long enough right?

I mean I'd buy it of course. If they went with something from the CD era. Just with so much mystery from the 94-98 years... you think people would want that more than a 2008 album's unreleased stuff.

It would be awesome to hear unheard stuff from CD. I'd love that, but other stuff needs to be out before that.

People have different tastes.

I understand that many of you were away for about a decade, so you can pretend nothing has happened. But a bunch of us were here and we enjoyed that time.
No need for your silly remarks about the old band, their music or the fans who enjoy listening to it.  : ok:



There you go, now you managed to word your opinion without insulting those who disagree.  :)




/jarmo

In Jarmo's defense (hear that, buddy?) your post didn't really come across that way.  It did come across like you were mocking it along lack of demand lines.

I've not been away for a decade. I've checked this website and message board AT LEAST 1 time per week at the very least since 2000. I just post more often when things are happening more. So don't make it look like I've not contributed to this community for 10 years. That is very untrue.

I for sure go missing for weeks or months at a time, but I'm still here reading stuff. There wasn't much else to say really. With all this new stuff happening, which is HUGE... it just makes ya want chime in.

Anyways, to be on topic. I agreed with a lot of what people said about reissues or box sets.

For AFD I feel like you have to really be careful with what you put out for that one. I wouldn't include the metal 1999 recording they did or whatever. I don't think that belongs in a anniversary set.

I'd go something like this.
Disc 1 - regular album
Disc 2 - remastered album from original tapes
Disc 3 - As much demos/unreleased stuff from the 85-87 era they have
Disc 4 - Every song from this era performed live. Or maybe just a fancy Ritz live cd? I don't know. Just AFD era songs in a live capcity on 1 disc. I think going with 1 show would be best, and that would be Ritz right?
BOOK, some sort of book for a super deluxe thing.

Just anything obscure and different from this era. That would be incredible.

Sorry, I did say "many of you".
Should've made it more clear that it wasn't aimed at you personally.



/jarmo

No problem man. It was the next reply. I assumed it was aimed at me.

I love coming here. It's a lot of fun.

There is your winner.

Let's face it, that Ritz concert, while great...not exactly hard to get one's hand on.

But suppose it was a soundboard version of a show from that era that no one has, or only has in shit quality.

Now, we're talking.

LLAS, Lies, TSI? should be one Deluxe Edition, maybe have it be like the Led Zeppelin Coda reissue where they threw all the odds and ends on 3 CDs, and add in Riff Raff, Don't Let It Bring You Down, Sailing, etc on there.

I like the idea, but I would like to see separate releases possibly. I liked the Don't Cry demo, so including that would be cool. Releasing a couple of different songs as singles would be interesting as well, just to get some different songs in the radio.

This, as said, would be incredible.  Great idea.

At the risk of being a naysayer, I'm not a fan of deluxe editions of albums at all. It just feels like I'm paying a second time for songs I already own. I have the same problem with Greatest Hits packages mind you, but at least those are aimed at casual fans, so I can understand them.

Case in point: Pearl Jam re-released Ten. I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan. One of the outtakes was that song Brother, which was really fucking good, got lots of radio airplay. I still didn't buy the reissue though. Not paying full pop for one extra song.

What I would greatly prefer is a B-sides/rarities collection. You could probably make that a 2-3 disc set if you included some demos and live stuff. Something similar to Nirvana's With The Lights Out would be cool.

I've gotten several reissues myself and I think they often offer a great addition to the collection of music the bands have put out.

Like the Led Zeppelin ones....

I do see your point about buying the same stuff again though.
But usually you're getting something on top of the regular album so it's not exactly the same.  :hihi:


/jarmo

Alleged? Ain?t nuthin? alleged bout that, not any more, sir! 

I've only done them when I didn't already have the original album.
Now, if I was buying an older album I didn't have from a band I like, and a re-issue with extra tracks was available, I'd go for that. But I buy all GNR albums on day one ;)

A Lies reissue or deluxe version might be silly, so as someone said before it might be best to include that in with the TSI era?

I couldn't imagine lies being more than maybe 3 discs at best?

Lies IS Live like a Suicide. So just take away the crowd noise as many have said, maybe remaster it and then include that cbg acoustic whatever it was. I forget. Then add ANY extras from that show. 3 discs at best on that. I mean it was just 4 acoustic songs basically with the Suicide EP.

The UYI era would be incredibly nice to look at.

The only unreleased thing from the acoustic 'Lies' sessions is 'Cornchucker', right?

As for other songs yes.

There's alternate takes on the other songs though. A pretty cool One In A Million.

Yeah, I really like those demos from those sessions.  They sound crisp.

This is a great acoustic band.

I believe so. And based on the past legal B.S. with that song, it's unlikely to ever get released. Though I suppose Guns have the money to just settle that if they wanted.

Yeah, I guess it is considered a demo. But as you say, the quality of the recording is so good, I think it's good enough for a release.

I don't see it happening. One, lyrical content - don't see Axl putting something like that out at this point, even if it's an old, already recorded track. He already has to deal with One in a Million being on the album after all. Two, the whole B.S. with The Mentors, and the "they stole our song" claim. Not worth the headache.

I would love for GNR to do a deluxe release similar to what The Pixies did with their Minotaur, Deluxe boxset. Google it if you get a chance, it is amazing!

Reunion is in full swing here. We've got several SOLD OUT dates... and more to come.

The band is rehearsing without Axl as of a couple weeks ago. Happy times.

This September makes 25 years sinec Use Your Illusions I and II hit the world.

Next summer makes 30 years of Appetite.

What are the chances we get anything like this? I say they are high. Since the UYI 25th comes before the 30th AFD do you think that will present any problem? I don't.

I just would love a super deluxe thing with TOUR DVD of like 2-3 hours of stuff, extras, demos... any footage. I'd glad cork out 100 bucks for that!

Better chance then this time last year, when chances were zero.

But I do recall Axl talking about how much he hated the process it took to make the UYI albums and how they were not happy memories.  The only bright side there was that he said that during a time he still hated Slash and Duff, so maybe that's improved his memory some.

For AFD? Definitely. For the UYIs? Probably not.
Consider this, another band with less issues - The Let it Be film will never be re-released on home media while Ringo and Paul are still alive. Paul especially doesn't want the film circulated as it brings back bad memories and also he feels would taint The Beatles' friendly image.

Yeah the UYI process was drawn out, that only took 2 years roughly from start to finish..

Imagine that just 2 years?

Not 10 lol..

Sorry I had to.

I think there is a good chance and am really in favor of doing something for the "Illusions."  Both of the "Illusions" are among the biggest selling rock records of the 90's and yet I feel that they are largely glossed over when it comes to recognizing their significance.   A kick ass deluxe edition could help give these records the proper recognition, especially for younger fans.  "Appetite" put the band on the map , but the "Illusions" solidified them as the biggest band on earth.

I think a good indicator would be the number of UYI tunes in selists this summer.

Let's face it, Axl largely ignored them except for the singles for much of post-2001.

Will the other 2's return mean we get more album cut type tunes?  Dunno.  But think it would be a good sign for something like this to occur.

I think the reason many songs were not played post-2001 is because unlike Appetite the songs on UYI are a little more clear-cut Slash songs, Izzy songs and Axl songs.

I thought the same.

But why no 'Dead Horse'?  That's a 100% Rose composition.  And it was a single and video.

And hell, he finally had a third guitarist to do the acoustic parts.

Could be any reason, not sure. That's just one song though.

They never played 14 Years until they did it with Izzy, so that kinda supports the theory.

It was the same with Velvet Revolver. They've never played songs like November Rain or Estranged.

No keyboard player in VR though..

Yeah I'm ready for a switch up on the set list.

It's gotta be 24 songs i think.

AFD was more of a band effort and UYI was more divided. you guys are right.

I just want a set list where there's like 10 songs in stone every night then the other 12-14 are revolving or something.

Yeah, but they haven't played songs like Dead Horse too for example... if I remember correctly.

Would Jarmo be for or against something like this?

I know he's against promoting the old band

No, it was probably the same situation there when they chose which songs to play. I don't think they played any Izzy songs either.

He already made this very same thread a while back  : ok:



EDIT: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=66491.0

Yeah i forgot that making new threads is like taboo unless you have like 5,000 posts lol

No... I wanted a specific thread on these 2 things...

Yeah, that's what I said  ::)

I have no problem with this thread. I just answered slashofvr's question, Jarmo is apparently not against the idea of Anniversary or Deluxe editions of the albums since he created a thread about it...

spirit you're cool i like you

I was just fucking around... some peopel actually do get bent out of shape around here over that stuff though

no problem man

Harder if you have a big stage show with a lot of lights and pyro.

Even that "we don't have a setlist" bit was only true for May-July 1991.  After that, you could pretty much guess the setlist most night and be right within a song or two.

I'm glad you know!
Now we all can relax and not have to worry about you not knowing.




/jarmo

that said Jarmo, I'd be lying if I said I'm not interested about your opinion concerning the reunion  :hihi:

Guns N' Roses is my favorite band. That hasn't changed since the day I discovered the band....
No matter what some think.....


/jarmo

Give Jarmo a break, he fucking loved this band before most of you knew who they were...

As far as an anniversary release, I would be all for it.  Original remaster with some extras that didn't make the cut would be fine by me, hell even a track or 2 we never heard of before?

If they did this properly it could be a killer time.

It would sell... they'd make money and the fans would be elated.

I want more UYI stuff. That long ass tour and all that backstage footage they recorded... the 94-96 timeframe had some songs and demos. I want that stuff

x 2

 :smoking:

But you campaigned against Slash for years and said "real fans" didn't want Slash back

I just never knew you as a hypocrite so I was surprised when I saw you started this thread

For someone with a username like slashofvr, maybe you need to check out the VR on tour section.  ::)
Not only did Jarmo start or contributed to a number of threads in that section but also attended their shows in Sweden and the UK. 
And I'm almost positive he was not wearing a Where's Robin? tee.  :hihi:



 

Yeah, sure.
I like your simplistic way of thinking. Life is easier that way isn't it?

Campaigned against Slash? Funny.

Slash was gone for 20+ years from GN'R activities. Real fans, managed to find at least some kind of enjoyment during that time period, relating to GN'R.
They didn't have to spend the decades crying about something that they didn't have.

The classic "you don't allow Slash discussions in the main section because you _______" is also amusing. That's right. The main section is focused on GN'R.


I guess it's hypocritical to enjoy the present and not focus on the past....
I'll admit, I'm guilty of that!

The problem with some people is that they read something and assume shit.
They seem to make the assumption that just because I focused on the present at any given time, it must mean I hated the past. Guess what! That's wrong!

 :D




/jarmo

I buyed the bluray: Queen Live at the Rainbow 74.....

And its awesome!! Something like that we need from GNR. Its perfect!! A perfect restoration, perfect sound!. What a work!!!.

1974!!!! And its better than lots of GnR stuff. GnR have a debt with the music.... .and thats it the manufacturin live material available.

I know GnR is working on that. I feel it. Good luck with that!

What's wrong with supporting your favorite band ?  it's called being loyal.

AFD Box Set

I doubt the band / label would do this, but fans that play guitar would love for there to be a few disks of instrumental mixes.  1 with just the guitar tracks, so guitar player fans can hear more clearly what they're trying to play.  And maybe another disk of the full mix minus guitar, to play along with.  Same thing w bass tracks maybe.

Also, I'd kill to hear the late 90s version of AFD in its entirety.

Interesting. I didn't know there were re-recorded song samples from the late 1990's available. :)

I remember a rumor that Axl had re-recorded AFD plus "You Could Be Mine."