Here Today... Gone To Hell!

From a recent interview Eddie did with Steven where they're discussing a GN'R reunion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waM0iqEFDZQ

Eddie's comments at 17:30


Eddie has heard from a very reliable source that venues are being put on hold for next year. There're indications that there will be shows with the Appetite line-up, but it might also include players from the Illusions-era and more recent players as well.








My opinion: With all that has gone down in recent times, I think this seems more and more likely by the day. A couple of years ago I would have blown this off in a second, but I must admit, even if we've heard very little from the people involved, going by the events (recent departures) and some comments here and there, I would say a reunion might be realistic.

If this happens, maybe it'll be sort of an "all-star" thing, with different players coming in for the songs they've been involved with and Axl is the only constant though the show. Going through the history of GNR with each show, it could be a very cool thing imo.

i see an allstar line up happening as well

Who is his "very reliable source"?

When something is definitely happening, there will be official confirmation and announcements.

The source was not a member of the band, that's all he said.

I always pictured a Gnr carnival type of thing...wouldn't it be cool to see the modern lineup open for the classic lineup....with all the quality players, it could really be something.

Eddie Trunk isn't the smartest guy in the world. Wishing and presenting unfounded information as fact is not great journalism.  When I met him in Las Vegas he thought I had created my Hello Kitty Axl Rose tattoo. I'm like dude this picture was done by a famous artist for the Sanrio 50th -Anniversary show.

A GNR All-Star tour would be insane but I am just hoping for Slash to get back to be honest.

As for Eddie, I trust him on many things and with all that has gone on we have to believe "something" will happen soon. Lets just hope for a great 2016  :peace:

To his defense, he didn't present it as something that is 100% certain of happening. He added a disclaimer that things might change, and it isn't something he knows for sure is set in stone.

He has contacts in the industry though, and has been in the game for many years, so I would think he knows who to trust and who not to trust. He wouldn't give his source though ? understandably, so it's hard for us to make a call on the validity of it.

 If this is true it is insane. A reunion tour is a reunion tour not some carnival mix of line up.

It could be risky. There is no guarantee that everyone in attendance is going to like to see the new GN`R line up also performing on stage. Those people could boo them. Or worst, they could riot

Slash won't attend a carnival thing. And I really doubt Axl will do something like this, he's a smart business man: why should he pay so many people on stage, when he can fullfill all the stadiums worldwide only with the classic line up?  ::) ::)

This sounds encouraging.  Its hard not to get excited.

I can't see more than one line-up playing the shows though.  Maybe in town X or town Y, you bring up Gilby for a tune, or what have you.

But I think they'll pick a band and go with it, of they do it.

for the record, my "carnival" comment was all fun and games...the whole thing is still a pipe dream in my opinion. :-\

Well what is more likely ?

A)a full Chinese Democracy reunion with Brain, Robin, Buckethead and Paul

B) a completely new Guns n Roses , two new guitar players and a new bass player, because lets face it... the most stable touring lineup GNR ever had is long gone

C) or a reunion with Slash, Duff and possibly Izzy with some other sprinkled in

I gotta think the latter is more likely at this point. usually when there is a lot of smoke, there's a fire.

There is just so much legal nonsense to sort thru to get them all on stage together, that it's going to take a perfect storm for it to come to fruition... fingers are crossed. Combined that with all of our hope that CD 2 sees the light of day... there's just no way to predict anything... it is fun to talk about doe.

The thing that supports a rotating cast of players in a "all-star tour" would be the fact that Richard, Frank and maybe Tommy seems to still be on board for the future of Guns. If there's a plan for a reunion of sorts, and these members are still a part of GNR, my guess is they are kept for either filling in blanks in a reunion line-up or will be present for performances of newer stuff.

Let's just hope that anything that happens from here on doesn't prevent a release of CD 2. That would be depressing... for me at least.

My personal feeling is that Axl would not shelve it just to do a tour with Slash.

I think it would come out regardless, along with remastered records from the past. the history of GNR... that kinda thing.

You know... assuming the record company lets him  :)

Could this just be due to promoters reading the news and starting putting together offers?
I mean, a "Hey! Look, we could book you into these venues and you'd make that much!" kind of deal.....




/jarmo

100 percent

But if we say that, and dismiss everything... what fun would that be?  :)

Could very well be. Eddie probably has a lot of promoter contacts.

I'd like to think that Eddie's contact is more than just a promoter.  Eddie's been very guarded about discussing Guns...probably b/c he doesn't want to upset Axl and wants another interview...so I think he would only go public with information if he really trusted the source.  Promoters, as we all know from being fans of this band, are not to be trusted.

I can see the classic line up doing about &0 percent of the show

Say durring a show in LA, bucket of Robin Coke out to play a couple of songs alone.  Then slash joins them on stage for one   

Eddie seemed a little less reserved about the subject this time around. We only have to go back a couple of months during the news about the departure of Dj, and Eddie had a very clear opinion that that didn't have anything to do with a reunion.

When he says this now ? that he hears things are in motion, it must be some information that has come to him quite recently I think. Eddie I assume is also well connected with producers, execs and such, so his source could be from anywhere in the music industry.

Hopefully it's a legit source, but it could be from a promoter as Jarmo suggested. I think Eddie is very excited about the idea of a reunion, so it's not far fetched that he might trust such a source a little bit more than he probably should in this exact case.


We can only wait and see what happens next. Crossing my fingers for some information coming soon as Fernando has hinted will come, whatever it might be.

Slash just needs to roll up to Axl's place with a bottle of Maker's (because they're older and wiser), and a pack of heaters and say "Yo".  

He tried that...like 10 years ago.

I listened too and got that, it was really a rhetorical question.  :-*

Very reasonable thought and consideration.

I will wait for official news before jumping any sharks  :hihi:

damn it looks like the dream I had I posted here some time ago...  :confused:

I like Eddie Trunk, and I listened to his interview with Steven Adler. But to be honest I don't think he has any more of an idea than anybody else. I feel he was kind of blowing smoke up Adler's arse! You could see a reunion press conference with Adler taking over, shooting off his big mouth and the rest of the band looking on and cringing. That's the reality of that situation. Think the Van Halen/David Lee Roth MTV reunion in '96. DLR made a bit of a joke of himself. 

Saying people from the appetite line up probably means Duff and Slash
People from the illusions line up probably means Matt Sorum and not Adler.
PEople from the new line up probably means Fortus.

Probably.  ;)

The only ones that really know whats going on or not is Mr. Axl Rose / GNR management. Until they confirm it, nobody knows whats going on.

Just a radio presenter spreading rumours to get more listeners.

Official news either way soon would be great.

Of course nothing's for certain until Axl confirms it.

It's silly season and it's fun to speculate in rumors I think. As long as people take it for what it is, and just roll with it. If you take every rumor as fact you're setting yourself up for a lot of disappointments... But we already know that, right? Haha :)

It's True:

AXL
DUFF
DIZZY

 : ok:

I prefer facts rather than endless speculation. I dont see the fun in it to be honest.

To each his own, by all means.  :)

Exactly. : ok:

Sorry MR. EDDIE TRUNK,

When we say "by all accounts", that means ALL ACCOUNTS, meaning official, reliable sources like band members and/or their management.




This is the way I look at it too.  We've been listening to Guns N Roses reunion talks really since 1996.  Here we are, 19 years later, and the original lineup (or even an Axl/Slash show) has never resurfaced from the dead.  That doesn't excite me in the slightest.

I'm going to continue to play Devil's Advocate.  I still don't believe Axl and Slash have even spoken to each other, regardless of the bullshit media frenzy.


To me, Axl's words when speaking to Del James...

There is zero possibility of me ever having anything to with Slash.

.... are more potent and powerful than any perpetual bullshit reunion speculation.

But haven't you learned that things change? 

Remember the (pretty horrible) shit Axl said about Slash, Izzy, and Duff during the 02' tour?  Then what happened?  Izzy played a few shows in '06, Duff played a few shows and then played several full shows last year.  Slash was always going to be the fence that took the longest to mend.  Things change.

I know I will have doubters when I say this, but about 4 years ago I was told by a source that this very type of thing was being looked at. Initially for 12 shows, but at the table things fell apart. I may have mentioned this here before, I really can't remember. I don't want to argue or answer people on this, I'm only telling something I heard from someone who worked with someone in the camp a while ago.

My mindset exactly, I don't get the fascination with rumors and heresay.   :peace:

This Theme Is Entertainment For Me

 :smoking:

Only one thing to talk about the past year then. Dj leaving.

Can we give Eddie trunk a little benefit of the doubt this is a guy that had axl come in to his show unannounced has done interviews with the guy. I hardly think he would even remotely speculate on something that might burn a bridge to axl if it didn't have some legs behind it eddie trunk doesn't need to start some rumor to get attention he is a well known radio dj in the industry its not like fred durst trying to drop a line and get some notoriety since he hasn't been relative since early 00's. There are definitly things going on in the GNR world what they end up being who knows but i think we have some excitement building for the first time since they last performed.

It's not totally different from Van Halen celebrating David and Sammy in one tour.  You could argue Sammy is the fake one, or you could just enjoy the damn thing.
Sounds like a great GNR option for me.

I think something will happen in the GNR world next year.... Axl will be central either way :)

I'm definitely looking forward to this.

Slash isn't going to play second "fiddle" to any of the other GNR guitarists...An "All Star" tour, doubtful...Majority of the crowds want to hear the AFD/LIES/UYI material....Also Eddie Trunk has been talking about reunion offers for years..Several years ago it was there were two countries frets, 1 for the current GNR and a second for a Classic GNR..So who knows..

Axl and Slash have been speaking terms almost a year now.  I don't think Eddie would intentionally bs his listening audience.  Obviously It is premature to announce anything.

Emily just peddles that same old tired line about waiting for official announcements to sound superior, the fact is, this rarely happens. One announcement every five years keeps her happy but if that's all we ever discussed this board would be a ghost town!

Wrong again, I've already told you that interpreting things off the internet is not your forte', keep your day job troll.

There is nothing wrong with preferring official, actual news over a bunch of asanine speculations and rumors.

The only thing asanine is you.
Perhaps you could do us all a favour and only comment when we get an official announcement then? Rather than give us your tired repeated "oh I don't like asanine unfounded gossip" crap???
Yet here you are... Day in, day out repeating yourself.
It's a little bit silly Emily.
Jussayin

I never imagined seeing Duff playing with the latest GN'R but it happened.

I think 2016 is shaping up to be a interesting year and if I were to bet....I'm gonna say Slash is going to be involved.

100% agree

To what extent though??? Hopefully it's more than just a guest appearance, would love to know whether Axl is in hiding to get himself physically in top condition to announce a reunion tour. That's my dream!

My dream is a reunion tour of sorts (I'd be happy to see Frank & Richard up there) & somehow for the Chinese II songs to be released.

I'm wondering if "Stay of Execution" had been the banner under which Axl was going to release that stuff?? Kinda makes sense.

Slash wouldn't do a Izzy and just play a few songs- I'm sure it's a case of all or nothing.

If Slash makes his way into that top right image of this forum I will piss myself with laughter.

2016 here we come..

Why don't you just focus on your own posts and leave the moderating to others?  : ok:




/jarmo

It is a little ridiculous tho...

On both sides... please ignore Emily... if you don't like her posts... I try to... :)

But all we can do often times with this operation...is speculate... it is not "dangerous" to do so. So it's not necessary to chide people for speculating on something that is of interest to them.

I also would prefer to get an official announcement... I'm not holding my breath !

The only problem is that some of these speculations are being presented as facts by some of the tabloidy and irresponsible journalists out there.

That is true... but so what? We know there is nothing set in stone yet.

I'm not losing any sleep over something Blabbermouth prints.

Maybe it is upsetting to the people who are actually in GNR.
And maybe this could damage the potential of any future collaborations.

And one person/group has the power to squash it... All Axl had to do is tweet his response if this is all false. This is what I'm talking about in the DJ thread... he has the chance and platform to control the message. If this is so off base and upsetting to the current 'camp' then address it. Hiding from it just lends a slightly higher level of credence to the rumor, because it is so easy to shoot down.

Who is actually in GNR?

I thought there was a hiatus with no commitments to anyone... at least that's what I have read and heard.

I'm sorry I also know this is not popular with some of you... I'm not concerned with Chris Pittman or Frank Ferrers feelings, whose status might be up in the air.  Not any more than they are concerned for me.

Exactly. If the speculation was in any way damaging... One tweet from the man himself could end all of damage it is doing.

Like I said after meeting him, he isn't the smartest person.

Because a grown man didn't know that Hello Kitty Axl was from some unknown artist??? That's what you're basing it on?

No. Just the way that he talked to me in general and watching some of his interviews.

Things change. Above all when people fight about nothing.

No offense, but after your take on the DJ letter I would probably speak a little slower when talking to you in person... Probably not a fair or accurate take, but that's what happens when you base someones overall intelligence on a single interaction.

You also have to agree that the people in Axl's inner circle are very loyal to Axl... Just look at Richards interview when talking about possibly sharing the stage with Slash and Thin Lizzy. YET Del James himself has really warmed up recently to Slash at least via twitter, which in my eyes is very telling.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. I was just recently hanging out with one of the men who worked on the team who brought the internet to cell phones. He also worked on the space shuttle. And created a famous video game . He called himself the alpha geek. So I am able to interact quite well with highly intelligent people.

Only thing silly, and asanine is you here on a fan forum attempting to dictate how I behave and obsessing about me you sick troll.

I don't care what you think and I will not amend my behavior to appease "fans" like you, ever.

There is nothing wrong with dismissing unfounded gossip and preferring actual facts and reality.
I'm actually a supportive fan, I know that's an alien concept to you-

Don't make me start reporting you again for harassment and personal attacks.

Condescending much?

The issue I had with the letter was who scans a hand-written letter to post images of it on the internet? It was very contrived, and a very calculated PR move- which worked out very successfully for him.

Nice entrepreneurial move, I'm sure it impressed his leagues of silly fangirls-and boys-  guess I'm a cynic.

Did you have an issue with DJ and his silly fangirls while he was in GnR, or just after he left?

I'm first and foremost a GNR fan, that is where my loyalty lies- make no mistake.

Is that a problem for you?

No, I've learned that things typically remain the same.

1996 -- Overexcited, overfaithful fans hoping for a reunion that didn't happen.
2015 -- Overexcited, overfaithful fans hoping for a reunion that still hasn't happened.

Yep, I don't see things changing, even if Axl played a few shows with Izzy and Duff.


You guys can repeat these words ad nauseam.  I stand by my original point.  Axl's statements that Slash is a "cancer" and that there is "zero possibility" that he will ever have anything to do with Slash are MUCH stronger, more powerful, and more believable statements than all conjecture and speculation that fans on a message board could possibly conjure up.  And that goes for ill-informed Eddie Trunk too.

 
way to promote your radioshow

I watch Trunk's That Metal Show on VH1 Classic and he's been saying that he believes the band will reunite in one form or another for a few years now. He likes to be right, as anyone knows who observes his behavior during "Stump the Trunk," so this news may be nothing more than self-confirmation. That said, I like his show and Stump the Trunk is really entertaining. The guy knows an incredible amount about rock trivia. And when I say trivia, I mean stuff that no other human being could possibly know. I don't buy the notion that is he not that smart. He seems pretty smart to me. Whether he is actually informed about GNR goings-on is a separate question.

Anyone know when the new season of TMS starts?

It was intentionally condescending... just as she was condescending towards Eddie Truck because he was 'too stupid' to know the history of a Hello Kitty inspired Axl image... because most grown men are very up on the comings and goings of Hello Kitty.

I fully accept everything you are saying about the motivation of the letter, it is very self serving... What I am commenting on though is how personally she is taking this letter like it was a physical attack on Axl and in her world Axl is a deity. Axl had the ability to control the BBF, DJ, and reunion messages by getting in front of them... If the band choses to be silent you can't blame someone trying to make a living on his new band to not leverage his time in GnR and announce his separation to remove confusion.

He had a very condescending air about him and he seemed pretty full of himself. Just because somebody knows a lot of rock trivia does not mean they are super intelligent. Shooting his mouth off about GNR reunion speculations is not that savvy. And if showing loyalty to a great artist is a bad thing then so be it. You are free to dislike me.

The Unique True Of Have:

AXL & MANAGEMENT

 :smoking:

Sometimes silence is best when every statement and every word gets misconstrued and twisted every imaginable way- I've even seen some attempting to place bizarre translations on simple tweets.

Never had much use for opportunistic journos and other parasites who prey on the livelihood and lives of other people.

What is wrong with a little loyalty?

Gotcha.  Your loyalty is to GnR (the entity) and the people that make up that entity at that particular point in time.  So, if DJ ever comes back to GnR, those silly fangirls instantly become loyal followers again.

I still think they are silly to be duped into thinking a handwritten scanned letter is anything except a PR endeavor.

You can spin it any way that makes you feel better.

Ahh the old... " oh iim gonna cry in my room and report you"... gotta love how you play that card everytime you get called out for your behavior on here.  :rofl:

Harassment and personal attacks? Stop being so melodramatic. Its a forum... are you really that sensitive? If so.. you may need a teaspoon of cement.  :P

Exactly.

Its a strange world she lives in... but anyhoo.. thats GNR land for some blind followers.

If there is actually reunion plans being worked on... all the speculation is actually helping. IF there was nothing at all being worked on in any way shape or form, i think wed have heard from someone in the gnr camp by now. In the meantime.. the rumours will continue to grow until something is announced either way.  ;)

I know others dont like the rumours and innuendo, but at least the rumours are regarding something that is potentially very exciting for a lot of fans. Its what long term fans of the classic line up like me have waited for... so heres hoping...  :beer: :smoking:

Does anyone understand this guy?

No. Not at all.

But its entertaining.  :D

Even the biggest skeptic has to agree there is a lot of stuff pointing in this direction. One HUGE cashout before Axl hangs it up. And I don't say that in a negative way. The other guys will play on for many years but with the voice singing these songs I'm sure Axl was knew he wasn't up to par last year. Obviously he's a huge perfectionist. Slashs' brother saying he's on a strict diet losing weight that goes a lot further than looking good. It goes with health. And I mean health of his voice, for one last shot for him.  

I understand what you are saying, but the problem is this isn't a Wedding Band... or a Coffee House Folk Artist writing poems. The magazines, web sites, radio shows, tv shows etc... are part of the 'business', so are 'employees'. When it stops being a band of equals/partners and becomes a band of employees you also have to understand that there is a certain level of self interest and promotion that is going to come along with it which is why I don't understand the hatred in how DJ dealt with this... I also don't understand the tactic of hiding information and hiding from stories if the are gaining steam in a direction different than you are going.

To be fair... there is a million things that make no sense when it comes to decisions made by Axl or management. this is just another one in a long list.  ;)

The only reasonable conclusion to draw on this topic is.. the media is sniffing down the right track and they are keeping quiet till its all been worked out.. that does make sense. And like most.. i hope this is the case.

Myth - "we're going on a world tour and making lots of money".

Reality - "we talked at Santa Monica Starbucks over a couple of pumpkin lattes".

You know it

If there wasn't any truth to any of this

Every recent topic in the past 4 months would of been sent too the dead horse section

Something's in the works

But!

Damn

There is still nothing to talk about

Oh wait.  There is......

Go Jays!

The biggest troll here is you.

If memory serves me correctly Axl in the interviews that got released after Chinese hit said it was the album he was allowed to release. Now I'd presumed that was due to record executives saying these are the best songs. But in one of Richard's interviews this year he said Axl would not reunite for cash he's all about the music and that there was stuff he'd worked on that was left over from the Slash days.

Could it be that some of the top pick songs are things Slash had a hand in and in fact it was that that has slowed the release of certain material?

Wrong! Emily is the antithesis of a troll

Aren't you the "person" who went into Marc Canter's place of work to harass him?
You're a creepy stalker.

I suggest some of you take these personal insults elsewhere.

Got nothing to do with the topic.



/jarmo

I quickly stopped by Canter's deli to return his unauthorized book. There was no harassment. I am not a stalker.It was a peaceful protest.
Trust me, I prefer the company of world class surgeons and handsome actors to people like Marc Canter.

I really can't handle another thread about how evil Marc Canter is.

I quickly stopped by Canter's deli to return his unauthorized book. There was no harassment. I am not a stalker.It was a peaceful protest.
Trust me, I prefer the company of world class surgeons and handsome actors to people like Marc Canter.
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Return his book? Did he loan it to you? otherwise what were you thinking?

Wow, that is disturbing. There is no other way to describe that behaviour. There have been a few things you have said that raises the hair on ones neck in this thread. The dark side of fame.

On topic....who knows. I think those guys burying the hatchet and having appositive relationship without the internals toxins of hating someone you once cared for is really the main thing. To this day I don't think it has ever really been clearly articulated why they had such a big bust up. Either way there is not much more we can do but wait. If they do get back together I just hope it's not a cash grab tour and there is some creative output. God knows this band has been a creative void since the old band was together.

I do fear that IF they do get together and make great music that the public will view 'Nu-NGR' in an even more negative light and even more blame will be laid on Axl's shoulders. Be it right or wrong that wouldn't be a nice situation to deal with for him. It would almost solidify 'see you need Slash' in the publics view.

Fair enough. But as long as he continues to misrepresent himself as a GNR insider and bash current GNR management he is responsible for his own karma.

To carmiedisco12.
Yes the dark side of fame. That is what I have been trying to shine a light on. When you are a celebrity who started out with nothing it is almost impossible to know who your true friends are. Fame is the biggest commodity in our society right now.
The band has hardly been in a creative void. Chinese Democracy is a great CD with a lot of great songs.
I have many great memories of seeing a lot of concerts with hearing those songs performed live.

Ok a fair reply. I do remain concerned at some of your comments and actions . They appear less than balanced.
That aside we clearly are defining creative 'void' differently. However surely you must admit post original band GNR has been anything but productive in a creative and artistic sense. One album in how many decades now? Yes a lot of great shows but tribute acts do that all the time. Creative means ....well, creating.

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I would say that tracking a stranger down at their place of work and leaving a note that reads:
"What you are doing is wrong! You are a douche"
Constitutes harassment and stalking and make you look creepy.

I am an intense person but I am not a threat to anybody. I prevented a major race riot on the CTA last year by having the courage to stare somebody down with a look that said I WILL TESTIFY against you if all hell breaks loose. He got off the train. the CEO of our hospital thanked me.
I think there is a lot of music that will be released in the future when the time is right.

Actually just being a smartass like TED!!!

Canter seems completely delusional, but tracking him down to return that book with your little zinger of a note is straight up creepy stalker behavior.

Put whatever spin on it you like.  You look like a lunatic, pulling that move.

You are entitled to your opinion. I was in LA for a VIP event and I thought it would be funny to stop by and drop off the book. Canter had made a challenge that anybody unhappy with his book could return it.

I love lamp.




/jarmo

lol

No matter what you think of the guy...

He produced a great book.

Go obsess about someone else troll.

I'm here to discuss and read about GNR, not the idiocy posted by some frustrated idiot.

Like Jarmo suggested on the last page, take the personal attacks elsewhere, this has nothing to do with the topic.

Please respect that this is first and foremost a GNR fan forum for actual fans of GNR, anything to add on topic?

GNR has performed countless shows, 2 residencies and released a live DVD just last year- You have no way of knowing what has been written, recorded, worked on, or created -

I'm going to enjoy gloating when the next album is released, and attending shows at the next round of touring.  :beer:

I think 99.9 percent of us believe at some point in time there will be another album, so I don't know what good the gloating will do or the point of it.

Some of us just think it's a little silly that if the album comes out tomorrow that it will be close to two decades since those songs were started on.. you're not one of them... that's cool.

NU GNR is dead. Dead to me at least.  It's all about the reunion now.  I feel all these songs that were recorded years ago by guys no longer in the old new band will never see the light of day.

Why is it supposedly silly? There exists no set schedule of when Artists release albums.

Don't forget GNR had a release last year of the Live DVD Appetite 4 Democracy.

Well I don't care for the term NU GNR... well...the name issue is something I don't care for in any way. People on both ends of that fight are ridiculous...it's a band name.

But as of today... there is no band... there's Axl Rose and his right to the GNR name... so whoever he decides he plays with next time he performs... that'll be GNR.

I just hope to hear those songs sooner than later... AND... I also hope for a reunion with Slash Duff and Izzy.

Yeah ... no schedules... I've heard that one before : )

I didn't forget... I bought a copy.

The band is on Hiatus, Fernando said there would be an announcement in a few months- were you not aware of that?

BTW Emily

I was scrolling thru the GNR instagram this morning and I came across a picture of Duff in SA... and it said big thanks to ORIGINAL gunner Duff Mckagan!

I immediately thought of you  :)

Please tell them Duff is not the original bass player!

That means to me. Axl is on hiatus now and they'll be an announcement soon. Who is in this "band"

Everyone knows the difference and the actual history, it is a very stupid non-argument that seems to upset little misguided fanboys like you that insist on regurgitating it time and time again.

Only "fans" refer to GNR as a "band".

GNR is on hiatus and there will be an official statement in a few months like Fernando said, what is the problem?

Hahahahahahaha... you are always good for a laugh...

A Pic of Duff rocking has been posted in GNR facebook!  BRING ON DA REUNION!  :peace:

And what kind of reunion are you talking about? D

"Not in this lifetime" AXL WILL NOT BE DOING ANYTHING WITH SLASH. SLASH IS A CANCER, BETTER REMOVED. [/font][/font]

So are you, I rarely take anything you post seriously  :hihi:

Stop Trolling here, thanks.

Jaeball, I had to bust out laughing at this. That is  hilarious! Sorry Emily, but Jaeball  gave a good zinger. lol :)

This is just VERY creepy!! Sweet Child O' Dexter, I think you are lucky that a restraining order  wasn't issued. If I was Marc, I would get one. No offense.

None taken. As a great writer of some totally awesome DEXTER fan fiction that I personally handed to Michael C Hall, I take that as a compliment. Marc Canter has done far worse with his internet trolling.
And Yes, I did start watching DEXTER because Axl Rose is/was a fan.

EMILYGNR- How am I trolling.  ::) This is a direct quote from Axl himself. I don't know how quoting the lead singer of this band can be trolling. This is the truth, hence there will be no reunion. None involving Slash anyway.

Trolling can involve posting something controversial and trying to get a rise out of people.

You did that yesterday with that mgmt topic you tried to start and now you are trying with this- just stop.

It is still a stupid argument regardless of any supposed fanboy zingers - the actual History remains unchanged.

This is really becoming boring.

If you don't wanna talk about GN'R, just don't post.
If you wanna talk about who did what, keep it to yourself or take it elsewhere.

Who gives a fuck who returned a book and why? I don't care!




/jarmo

If supporting the ORIGINAL Guns N Roses of Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven... makes me a fan boy... then guilty as charged!

It's really not my fault that you can't comprehend the logic behind why those 5 are the original Guns n Roses. Jarmo surprises me, because he is an extremely intelligent guy, at least he comes off that way.

You are hung up on a band name... when the rest of the world sees it for what it is... the 5 guys who created the first Guns N Roses songs, wrote them and recorded them.

Ask Axl Rose who the original members are... see what he says... that's if he ever lets you within 5 feet of him... and if he was smart... he wouldn't.

I really was trying to make a light hearted joke out of something I saw this morning... but you are so fucking relentless with your nonsense, all posters of every kind are just fed up with you.  We are all here with a common interest shooting the shit.. and you just try to sap the fun out of it at every turn.

and to all the crazy posters who have pooped in ever since the reunion stuff heated up... please stop telling them to stop trolling... you're not a moderator... just ignore them like everybody else does.

I'm sorry you have a hard time comprehending actual history and that GNR existed in some form before the Appetite lineup

This seems to really bother you, enough to make petty comments and attempted little insults, pretty pathetic and very amusing.  :hihi:

If I see somebody obviously trolling, I will continue to mention it if I see fit- manage your own behavior, if I want your advice I will ask for it.    :-*

I'm here to talk about GNR, not honestly focused on winning some sort of perceived popularity contest.

Anything to add on the actual topic?

Book returns and Ole Bach discussion FTW :hihi:

Official GN`R FB + Official GN`R Instagram= Official reunion of original GN`R  ;D

Thank you.

I love facts.
I love lamp.



/jarmo

 :hihi: Dito

I would like to know how old Emily is? Hope she is not older then 18. Otherwise her behaviour is more than irritating.

On the subject: actually I dont give a darn about Eddie Trunks opinion. but so be it. waiting on an official announcemn,t without having a little chat about the current sitiation, is f'n boring.

I think it will be very funny when the reunion tour is officially advertised as the "original GNR."
That will be the end of that talking point. :hihi:

Just listened to the whole interview for the first time.  There's.....no way Steven will be involved.  There's just no way......

He's 50 years old yet he stammers and shit talks everyone but the original 5 five, and then even paints Slash & Duff as untrusting jerks.  Yeah, no....

I think... there's a chance.

But, I don't think he will be a part of something like this if they have to rely on him as the sole drummer. As part of a group of 2 or 3 drummers, I think there's a chance.

One of the conditions would probably be him banned from doing press though.  :hihi:

When other respected members of this forum start calling you out for your behaviour you could probably amend your behaviour!
Yes, I do have something to ad, like most, I thibk Eddie is either speaking out of line to get some AirPlay, or he's actually got sone info, like you.. Until their is an official announcement none of it means anything. But unlike you, I think the speculation is exciting, certainly the most exciting GnR talk in years! So I'm happy to let people enjoy it.

Which part of "If you wanna talk about who did what, keep it to yourself or take it elsewhere." didn't you understand?

You and your group of cyber buddies better calm the fuck down with these off topic bullshit posts because I'm losing my patience with your act. Again.




/jarmo

Nah, It won't change the actual history one bit.  :-*

I would definitely travel and see any lineup, I saw the UYI lineup many times in the early 90's.

I will be there for sure! Was too afraid of the crowds at GNR shows back then. :hihi: Was supposed to see a show in Long Beach but unfortunately it was cancelled.

Hahahaha

How self destructive is this guy?

Negotiations have been under way for quite some time. Patience everybody. 

Did u notice that the main picture, at the top of the fb page,  shows only frank & richard from behind?  :hihi:

reunion....reunion.... reminds me of final fantasy 7. dont expect anyone to get that reference.

i hope something comes out soon. i need something great as a soundtrack to my experience abroad. cd2 would be so perfect.

btw, i like emilyy. gnr fan land is such a fucked up place. you cant actually be a supportive fan without people fucking with your head and trying to make you feel like a weirdo. its bullshit.

Yeah, I've been saying this forever. Plus he's damn near retar . . (mentally handicapped) at this point.
People talk about Axl being late or worrying whether the show would go on. I'd be more concerned about Steve.

hey rj I definitely get the reference possibly my fav video game literally played that for hours at a time lol. As far as the topic at hand why can't we just all respect one anothers opinion not everyone is going to agree when it comes to speculating on things in the end we are all GNR fans we should get behind and support whatever the band does decide to do and I think its fair to say something will happen when that does happen im sure we will all be wishing each other a merry Christmas or whatever holiday others celebrate here.

Lol...Every sentence was basically another shovel full of dirt, burying any chances he has of being involved.  I really don't mean to sound like an ass, but he literally sounds mentally handicapped at this point.  Would they put such an unpredictable guy behind the kit of the most fragile truce in rock history?  I don't see it.

Oh, absolutely. It'd be a huge, roaming, party.  With the money he'd have, and the connections that would no doubt be EVERYWHERE, he'd be a ticking time bomb.  It wouldn't be good for him, or the band.

And do you, Emily?

Tell me something...why do you come here? Why do you post in these topics? I really want to know.

If you are waiting on an official announcement from either Fernando or Axl Rose..why do you keep coming back and posting here??

What do these "reunion" topics do for you, Emily? Everything you do here is give talk about FACTS. If something is not a fact, you immediately make sure you let us know. Is that your game?? That's great, you can play all you want, but leave the rest of us some room to speculate. Everything we are doing here is speculating at this time...you want to join the fun? Then feel free to speculate too. Right now you are 100% correct. A reunion is not a fact, it's just speculation at this point. You win.

Do you have anything else to add here??

Yes, we know you are a die hard supporter. Yes, we know you have seen all the different line-ups many times, and yes we all know YOU know GNR's history like it was your own. We understand ALL that. Do you have anything else of VALUE to provide?

There are still plenty of threads you could contribute with your facts...please feel free to post in each one of them....But I suggest if you want to bring something new to the table, please change your narrative a bit, will ya?

Your posts read like a broken record. Day in, day out. Personally, I don't like them, but that's my personal opinion. There are other people who are not the "reunionists" type; norway, Pilferick, Spirit, Jarmo himself who bring something else to the table. I enjoy reading their contributions, you on the other hand, provide no value at all (again, that's my personal opinion).

Is attention what you are seeking? It seems to me all you do try to do here is grab attention for yourselg (maybe your message board motto is "my words may disturb but at least there's a reaction") by getting into name calling with JAEBALL, DX, C0MA,Sofine, Princess Leia, Oscar22...please drop that already.


Oh and, you are not a mod yet. If you don't like a newcomer's post or thread, you don't need to lecture him your "Stop trolling" advice.

Ignatius...couldnt have put it better myself...

good post! 

Without this site, I would be forgetting about GNR news... I depend on this site, even for rumors.  I have been on this site since its beginning and without it, I would be like the typical GNR fan that didnt realize how amazing GNR has been since the UYI band broke up.
Every single member since slash and Duff left have done a remarkable job of keeping GNR on as high of a level as any band in the world.  They are no longer the most dangerous band, but they still play arguably the best music and I am thankful for Axl keeping this band afloat.

Do I want new music?  Yes.  Will I be angry if we do not get it, no!
Do I want to see slash and Axl okay again? Yes,
But I will take anyone on guitar as long as we can see this band tour again.
Even if it plays the same set list or near that....
In the end...long live GNR....
But no matter what anyone says, seeing any form of Axl and slash would be historic!!! For me at least!
Trolling can bring a laugh or two, but too much of it is annoying.
And jarmo, I always depend on your posts because u do keep it real....

Much love to u all.... Please give us another tour, album, or reunion!!!
I'll take 1 or all of it!!!!

Care to elaborate? What negotiations and how do you know?




/jarmo

lol, we should have a members-section. People are discussions posters and not the topic at hand so.
 
Whats Marc Canter doing in this thread?



And the point is? Reunion 1 and modern gnr 0 ?

I equal the word 'lunatic' to the word 'nigger' and 'pinky'.

 What specific condition do you suspect the poster have? Or are you just critisizing the move at the expense of people with mental illness? We all got a mental health and while I do think people shouldn't have to accept this at their workplace (it is indeed worthy of some kind of mild reaction from the police imo) I don't see anything that suggest that the person is unstable in this. 'We' just h8 her don't we?





Yes, som1 please do. Classic and Modern is far better terminology.




No it won't. Not for people who cares about historical facts. The talking-point will take on a a even greater proportion.




I hear Eddie clap and say 'we got gold already' and 'the internet already poppin', it cleary suggest his intrest is ratings not factual and critical journalism.

Steven sounds like he had a stroke btw, not like a retard. Two diferent things and only less enlightened people wouldn't tell the diference. Edit: (not aimed at the post I quote)

I will elaborate when you elaborate.  My need to not compromise things is just as important as yours.   

I apologize to Jarmo and anyone who took offense to any of my posts.  It was not my intention to go off topic.  My problem with people like Eddie Trunk and Marc Canter is that they use Axl and GNR to promote themselves and their own business interests. They have no real insider or official information.   In the age of the Internet their half truths and speculations just lead to more misinformation being spread about Axl and GNR.

But this is not about other people`s "half truths". This is about  Axl, Slash, etc who don`t bother to deny those so called half truths.

I don`t know if Trunk and Canter use Axl. But if that is the case it is up to Axl to deal with them. It doesn`t look like Axl is doing anything about it. Why should I care about them when he doesn`t? I`m not gonna start a crusade against them when it is Axl`s job to do something about it if he thinks he is being used by other people.

Get a life

<3 the logic 'axl gonna be a industrial cashcow now, for fame and fortune (apparantly), no mention of artistic integrity here'.




Correct, we got (Fernando-quote) on the other hand but then there is the bias vs modern gnr. ::)

 *yawn*




I am more intrested in modern rock than classic rock so I take modern gnr over a reuinted classic lineup. AFD was probably modern rock tho, back then.

Would defintly c Axl in reunited band and getting Buckethead back would be dreamlike but, all things considered, neither will happen I think.

Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven...Those guys are hacks. They just rode Axl's talent to success. They were nothing but lame Poison rejects that Axl lifted up to greatness. Better to leave them in the past with hair metal and mullets and let Axl's vision finally unfold. Axl's now free of the traitors and users who just used the GN'R name to better themselves, now in 2015 we can see Axl's vision for GN'R unfold.

Funneh...

(I view CG's post as a paraphrase)

Tracii Guns...that guy is just a hack. Oh wait! :P

There won't be any announcement until they sign papers committing to it, Eddie knows this. Axl's spent time in New York so there might be some "friend of a friend" thing going on,  a couple of music industry people connected to Interscope, and some off the record stuff Bumblefoot told Ed. Just a guess.
 
Do I think a reunion's going to happen? Maybe but at least if they're talking again, anything vault-related can finally be put out there.

What do you think I need to elaborate on? As far as I recall, I didn't state anything as a fact in this topic nor did I claim to know things were under way?
You on the other hand, did....




/jarmo

If they reunite without Axl they could use u as a singer ;D

http://www.timestelegram.com/article/20151001/NEWS/151009964/2052/ENTERTAINMENT/



/jarmo

As we've heard no official news about the future yet, I hold all possibilities open ? including a reunion.

Even if Slash goes ahead and releases his next solo album next year, that doesn't prevent him touring with GNR.

Well, there we go.  It's obvious Slash has no interest.  Like I said all along, I suspected serenity and artistic liberty were more important to Slash than dealing with a GNR reunion, regardless of the money involved.

Ignatius-

I am a long time GNR fan, this is a GNR fan forum- most of the answers you seek can be derived from that one single fact, I don't find it honestly necessary to address your multiple rhetorical questions that are obviously geared to attack and demean.

I'm sorry if my adherence to facts and truth upsets you to this degree, maybe you are preferring to believe errors and are confused about actual history?

Do you like the rampant speculation or do you prefer to wait on an actual announcement from GNR?

I think all the petty, personal attacks and focusing on other members here instead of talking about the actual topic at hand is unfortunate, especially coming from a moderator, to whom more is given, more is required- you should be above attacking other members here.

Do you have anything to add to the actual topic? I don't think you bring a great deal to the table- but that's just my opinion.
I don't see you offering a great deal of knowledge or content here.

*On Topic-
No idea if Eddie Trunk actually knows anything or is simply padding his ratings and building his following- I guess we will find out when Fernando comes back with his announcement.

Interesting, thanks for posting- I can't say I'm surprised he was hestitant and avoiding any more controversial remarks considering what an insane storm his last remarks set off.

You know what's going on and what has been going on for close to a year now.   You have the need to not say anything, but at the same time you have the need to join in the conversation where you are not willing to discuss what you know.  I appreciate everything you've done so I will leave it at that.  

Ahhh yes, cryptic riddles.  I'm sure Jarmo will be enthralled.   :hihi:

Just so I understand, are you saying you are privvy to inside information and telling everyone that some sort of negotiations have been underway?

Just for fun-
If you were trusted with information, why would you abuse a confidentiality to post it on a fan forum?

All this cryptic insider schtick is not a new game at all.  :no:

I trust Eddie Trunk and his sources.  Stuff sounds like is for sure happening people.  : ok:

wonder what the first week in October may bring... things are really up in the air right now... we dont know shit.. haha.. i kinda like it..  :beer:

My guess is complete silence until next year. Hopefully early next year.

There was absolutely zero new info in that.

Ok, havent read all of the posts properly, but can someone sum up the real facts here, if there are any?   ;)

A question; if a reunion of some sort was in progress, wouldnt someone have heard or seen actual people in or from the camp/band meeting up somewhere, or an email/communication/contract been leaked or spotted in any way? I would imagine someone would slip up, even with tight secrecy from all parts? Especially nowadays in the digital world.
No matter what happens, or not, I am hoping for new music sometime sooner than later.

-Eirik

No info about this from the GNR camp so far.
No info from former members about this, except Adler saying he hasn't heard anything.

There are rumors circulating in the press, but no concrete source has been given.
Eddie Trunk has heard from (what he considers) a very reliable source, that things are happening ? a reunion tour in some form.


When it comes to your question if something should've leaked by now... maybe you're right. But if something is happening, they could've been very careful about it and have actually prevented information to leak. Unless... that's what actually has happened, and mr. Trunk has gotten insider information.


For us right now, it's only speculation, no official word on this.

Listen this starting at 17:30    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waM0iqEFDZQ   Sounds very confident talks have or are happening.    : ok:

Eddie had nothing at all, nada.


1: Nothing factual nor circumstantial suggest a reunion is on the horizon. It's all speculation/wishfull thinking at this point.
2. Tommy is still in the band
3: Modern gnr will release a new album
4: Slash will release a solo album and tour that
5: Someone thinks Axl is fat but it is, as a matter of fact unhealthy, to be thin at Axl's age.
6: Fernando (inside source) has said something cool will happen soon and Richard that 2016 will be an amazing year.
7: Emily is Ri Chun-hee
8: Nothing new to c here getting sum coffee, tnx bai :wave:

Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to know what you know that's been going on for a year?
What if what you know is going on, is something I don't know is going on?




It's a recent interview in which he doesn't wanna discuss the topic. Unlike Eddie Trunk.



/jarmo

Must be really fucking annoying for Tommy and Slash to choke on this when promoting themselves.

Nothing circumstantial?

- The two lead guitarists have left the band.
- Slash says he and Axl are friends again.
- Izzy seems to have a good relationship with Axl.
- Duff seems to have a good relationship with Axl.
- Dizzy's response to reunion rumors: "Whatever happens, happens."
- Tommy's situation with GNR is unknown at the moment. He will consider continuing with them if they contact him.



I'm just looking at this situation with the information we have been provided. I'm not rooting for a reunion any more than I want Axl to release the next album of new material. But I wonder, how do you know that Eddie's information is bullshit? Is it assumption or has some other piece of information come to light that disproves what he had heard?

To be fair, none of those facts necessarily point to any immediate reunion.

Buckethead left, Robin left... Didn't mean there was a reunion.

Izzy's been on good terms with Axl since at least 2006 (when he was touring with the band).
Duff's been cool with Axl since at least 2010 or so.

I think it's a case of people seeing all these signs and wishing it means what they think it means.





/jarmo

Yes, that's all true. And it may very well be, actually I still think there's a bigger chance of Axl continuing without any former members.


But, the Slash comment might be the most weighted one, that combined with Axl thanking "all line-ups" at the Golden God's.

If you look at the current circumstances and combine that with rumors (although hard to say how credible) from Eddie, wouldn't you say the chance of a reunion happening, in the eyes of a fan, is bigger now than say 2 years ago?

If the rumor had come out a couple of years ago, while the new band was out touring and active, I wouldn't have bothered. It's the current situation that enables the chance of something like this happening, however small that chance still is.

I think its fair to say someone (promoters) are trying to set up a tour hence all the rumors, whether it ends up happening or not is another story. But I will say in my opinion we are as close to a reunion as we have ever been. Lets keep fingers crossed!  : ok: :peace:

As far as money goes. There's just too much to turn down. People say well how much do you need? This is America. Money talks.  When there's tens of millions staring at you. Very hard to say no forever. I'm sure Axl knows and understands this.  : ok:

Posted to Spirit




How is DJ and Ron leaving circumstantial evidence that a reunion (as opposed to the usual routine) is on the horizon?





Yes, and?








Nothing new here.





in the interview where he says 'probably next year' regarding modern gnr tour/album... ::)

source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=44&v=BLe7GwvP2CE)





Tommy's situation is not more unknown at the moment than the others with the exception of DJ and Ron. Infact; Tommy says he has 'not quit the band', that 'they all' left in Vegas and that he will 'of course' consider coming along for another ride.





What information? He is conjecturing like u, no?


GL! I'll sacrifice a goat :peace:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
I get why people think there's a bigger chance.

It's the "I read that they're friends again so now they can play together in GN'R again" logic.
I get that.

Assuming the news about the friendship is in fact true, is the chance of a reunion bigger, than the chance of them just being friends for now?

The logic seems to be "Ok, they're friends again, time for that reunion".
Is it that simple? You just shake hands and decide to tour again together? I don't know....



/jarmo

Norway, what would you consider circumstantial evidence as opposed to factual evidence that a reunion might happen?

Dj's leaving was pretty much out of the blue. The most enthusiastic new member just leaves the band to pursue a career in another band not even half as known as GNR. I think this was the strangest of all the departures.


As long as we don't know who Eddie's source is, it's impossible to conclude on the credibility of his information. I can accept that people are skeptical, I am too. But it might be something...

I don't think the popularity was an issue.
I mean, nobody that left GN'R went to join a more popular band. Or even equal.


I don't know his source.
But haven't we heard this before?

Haven't promoters been offering GN'R money for a reunion in the past?



/jarmo

I don't know if you're referring to me, but I don't think I've "concluded" that a reunion is happening based on this.

It's something I consider interesting, so I don't see harm in having it up for speculation amongst fellow fans. Since we're already in kind of a dry-spell information wise, this is what keeps things rolling. I get that some people have no interest in unconfirmed information, and that's cool.


In regards to the friends thing, all I was saying is that that fact might strengthen the possibility. If Slash hadn't made that comment, would the reunion rumors been mentioned at all on the forums? I don't think so. I get that the reunion rumors might be because Slash said that, but we don't know that for sure either.

The chance of them just being friends for now is bigger than a reunion.


To sum up, we know practically nothing about what the future holds for GNR..  :hihi:  But, there's a lot of hope for different things, and I think that's exciting.

It always 'might happen'. I can't argue that.  

Some people hope and wish so hard that they make up stuff.




For u yeah.

I estimated him and ron would go at a point, like Buckethead, due to their soloefforts.






What exactly are you refering to? When he says 'venues are at hold' and then he himself connect it to a reunion-theory?



9: Eddie is promoting himself in a lame manner.

Thx for clarifications :) I see there still are different views on what is going on/will happen in the future of the band here. Guess we just have to wait to find out...

-Eirik

No I wasn't. I just explained why I understand that some people come to the conclusion.
I also pointed out why I think things aren't just that easy. Or at least why they might not be just that easy.




/jarmo

NIN is quite big I think. Not bigger than GNR, but the gap is much smaller than with Sixx AM.




Eddie didn't specifically say his source was a promoter. It's likely yes, but that's also speculation.

I agree with that.

I just get carried away with speculation because I think it's a fun way to pass the time. Deep down I have a rational view point, and understand how small the chances really are, even if it might not come off that way always.

I can just remember the constant hunt for information in the 2003-2006 period, a dark period yes, but still fun times on the forums. :)

Buckethead is bigger than modern gnr I think. DJ is also very sizeable, bigger than the not-axl members, but his peers are what gnr stood out from it seems. We'll see about Bumble.

I'm just passing on his words, but he specifically said there were talks of shows with the Appetite line-up, but also other band members. Didn't seem like he made the connect, but that was what he was told.

When you say GN'R you mean Axl right? Slash said he's never been offered any money for a reunion.

Dizzy: Probably next year
Axl: New music soon
Tommy: I'll be back
Fernando: Announcement soon
Richard: 2016 is the year
Slash: Gonna go solo for a while nao, bai


It is, given these cirumstances, highly illogical to think a reunion is imminent, imo.

You know what. Police love nurses.  I was also recently told by an extremely arrogant world renowned plastic surgeon that I was beautiful.  So for the people who think that I am a creepy stalker  and that the police should have been contacted for dropping off a book with a non threatening smart ass comment , they would take my side and laugh their asses off

When Axl say new music soon? And when did Tommy say I'll be back?

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a "reunionist", just holds all possibilities open.


Dizzy: Did he specifically say the new line-up will be out next year?

Axl: Hopefully that's true. It might also be possible to combine that with any sort of reunion tour.

Tommy: Did he say "he will be back" or that he will strongly consider it? If he's back, could he be one of the "newer players" that would be a part of the shows as Eddie hinted at?

Fernando: He hasn't specified what the news will be. Could it be a reunion?

Richard: Could he be one of the "newer players" that would be a part of the shows as Eddie hinted at?

Slash: If he is 100% committed to his solo career, I agree he isn't part of any reunion. But, it could be possible for him to work a new album for the first part of the year and then join GNR. In the same interview, he declined to comment on reunion rumors... why not shoot it down?



I'm not believing any of the above any more than Axl finding two new guitar players, releases CD 2 and tours that with a brand new line-up. Well, maybe the latter is a bit more realistic.  ;)

I paraphrased, here's the exact quotes with sources:

Rose said that he did not have a timeline for when the albums would come out, but he did intend to address it after Guns N' Roses conclude its residency at Las Vegas' Hard Rock Hotel and Casino. (The group's final show is scheduled for June 7th.) "We're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing," Rose said in regard to a release plan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/axl-rose-confirms-chinese-democracy-sequel-20140605



 ?I didn?t quit the gig or walk away from it. We just all sort of left it in Vegas.?

?If they got [the modern lineup] together again and wanted me to play, of course I?d have to think about it.?

http://www.startribune.com/tommy-stinson-replacements-run-was-special-but-it-s-time-to-move-on/323903361/

It's not the same as "I'll be back".

It's positive I agree with that, but the statement doesn't give an impression of certainty.

Lol. Wtf. I guess youre trolling?
If not..then youre....very weird

spirit wtf is wrong w you? :hihi: no offense or anything, but wth :P duh it is possible

None taken.  :)

I don't see him saying I'll be back. And Axl's been holding onto that for so long who knows if it ever sees the light of day....

Ok, I'll bite.



All possibilities? I think Justin Bieber is joining so.

Disclaimer: I would see a reunited band and I am less hyped about modern gnr than I was in 99-02 era.




He didn't have to. It is obvious he was talking about modern gnr.




Well duh it is possible. It is likely? How many times does he have to say no?


Guns is my life, not someone else's. For me there hasn't been a way to make any type of reunion work regardless of money (either talk or legitimate) without jeopardizing what I feel is the well-being and best interests of nearly everyone I'm involved with in the GNR camp (including myself). People here have big investments of their lives in what we're doing. We've worked hard for what we have here now and continue to do so. I know what I went thru then. I know what I and all of us have gone thru since. People enjoyed the product and the entertainment our lives gave them back in the day, but they weren't the ones actually living those lives together. It's not somewhere I'd go back to or would want to go again. Life's too short.

Not in this lifetime.

Give me a fucking break.








You know what, fuck this :P




Shoot it down... again. Why?





mhm :yes:






I read Tommy as 'hasn't quit, will most likely be back' when he adress gnr-question while promoting himself.

Remember this interview with Fortus?

Axl Rose has turned down ?outrageous? offers to reunite the original Guns N? Roses line-up, according to bassist Richard Fortus. The frontman is now the only original member of the group following the departure of stars including Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler, and current bandmember Fortus reveals big money offers have recently been touted to get the musicians back together.
However, Fortus is adamant Rose has snubbed all the lucrative deals because he cares more about his ?art? than a money-spinning tour.
Speaking on the One On One With Mitch Lafon podcast, Fortus explains, ?It?s just about the music ? that?s all he cares about. I?ve worked with a lot of people in this business, and I?ve never seen, or met, anybody that was motivated purely by that ? by the desire to make art. And you can say whatever you want about it? but he is that, and that?s for sure. Otherwise, there would have been a reunion because the offers for money have been outrageous. But he would never do a reunion unless it was for something besides money.?

http://www.hollywood.com/general/axl-rose-turns-down-big-money-for-guns-n-roses-reunion-59552317/

Since I'm already committed to one side of this discussion....  :hihi:

If Slash and Axl have made amends this year, couldn't that be the incentive for Axl to do a reunion for "something besides money"?

Starting to think that the media-hyped reunionism is sabotage of cd2 to force a reunion... :greedy:

Hopefully not. I really want to hear CD 2.

Like most bands, their popularity has gone up and down.
And they were never really the big act outside of the USA that GN'R was. But yes, NIN was quite big.




What I meant was, that there's been offers for the reunion in the past.

Slash has even talked about it years ago:
Slash says there is no chance of a Guns N?Roses reunion.

The guitar legend says he and frontman Axl Rose have been offered ?hundreds of millions? to reform.
http://metro.co.uk/2010/01/06/slash-no-return-for-guns-nroses-15618/




/jarmo

Or; It doesn't address specific paranoid, beliefs. It doesn't have to. Nothing is ever certain with gnr.

They will always have to deny a reunion and confirm their status to some people. Just trying to point out what I think is logical and realistic.

This is basically my whole argument.

Unfair! :(

Can't argue that, u win.



Edit:
I still stand for my claim that, due to all circumstances and facts considered, this is the realistic scenario:

• Tommy is still in
• Reunion is not happening atm 
• Cd2 is up next
• Eddie might be the new Mick Wall
• I has made is a list :smoking:

I r speshul :)

 :hihi:

it amazes me how many "clues" some of you find in a tibit of information.
Some of you should join a UFO-logy forum.

no credible evidence, or clue has been presented that anything will happen any time soon.
there's not a shred of evidence that Slash will be back -from his, or from Axl's side.
If I got back a friend I had 15 years ago, I wouldnt be making same mistakes.... or risk friendship over business.

also, band members not knowing is default thing with GNR, not an insight into something revolutionary.

some speculated that CD would come out in 2001 and they missed by 7 years... back then, that was the official release date.
With this bits for unofficial information we have at our disposal now... all your guesses couldnt be farther away from the truth (especially compared to CD release day speculations)

This is what I was refering to:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YCDEr9uJb0   

Does anybody know when the Eagles got back together I know this is going back to the early 90s and all but what kind of timeline there was from the time they announced they were back together and then went out on tour. My reason for asking is a band as big as the eagles are I know the internet wasn't around back then to speculate on reunion stuff like we do now but if anybody knows were there hints of a reunion before they officially announced it I mean the eagles and guns n roses are both equally huge bands who both had ugly break ups and maybe this is a similar situation where a lot of things are being kept under wraps. In watching the eagles documentary that came out not too long ago when they first talked about getting back together glenn frey and don henley had to see if joe walsh was going to be healthy enough and clean of his addictions before being able to put a tour together. I am sure there if there are reunion talks in play that management is checking into making sure whoever they are looking to have get together for this is  able to handle a full length tour.

1994.  It was huge. Hell freezes over tour. Stadiums

There is a reunion of the classic line up on its way.All the rumours point the same way.Its now or never.

My concern is if Axl is ok to tour,his performances from 2011-2014 are most of them nearly bad,with some great moments but many others really bad.Yesterday i was watching RIR11 ....i dont know what happened to the guy from 2010-2011 ...illness,depresion? i dont know,but he was full of energy in 2010 like the good old days but from that gig to nowadays he went down and down,his knee? his throat? dont know what something happened there for sure.


If he can get to 2010 top form,reunion would be amazing,if he appears like those others years,the press will destroy them.And fans would be sad for sure,that reunion would bring many guys that havent seen Gnr since 90s,i would say that 60% that would go to the reunion shows would be that kind of fans.

Agree!!! It is like I ask you to go to movies and your answer is you have to think about it. Then it`s far from a sure thing

yeah. all the rumours started by bunch of nobodies point to something - its now or never.  ::)
cant wait to hear it on Oprah as well. That'll definitely make it sure thing.

Glad to see there are other posters out there with common sense.
And I agree with Norway that Eddie Trunk may be the new Mick Wall.
He sees Axl as a commodity and not a person who is a great artist. 

This is nonsense. The UK tour in 2012 was great & Axl was on 2010 form at the last vegas run. Do you not think the terrible weather might have had some small impact on RIR11??

Yeah. Milano 2012, what a show! Axl in top shape. I agree with Norway. Trunk's info's probably junk. I hope and believe the big news is cd2, with World tour. Of course with one or two new/old guitarists. Who it is doesn't really matter that much.

You could argue that Robin leaving for NIN was leaving for an equal band.


I agree that DJ's departure is very telling of SOMETHING !, what that is leaves to speculation? he may have been kicked out because of a reunion. He may have had it with no new music being recorded? who knows? only time will tell?.. or not  :hihi:

Norway,   I really enjoy your posts here.  You are obviously a very intelligent person and you have a unique perspective on things.   The reason I went to Marc's place of employment is that it is a public restaurant where he sells the book.  I had bought the book there in 2011 so since I wanted to return it, I saw no problem with going back to the original point of purchase.  My Uber car driver was actually very excited to be part of my Seth MacFarlane inspired adventure.  Marc and I had several correspondences for about 2 and a half months after I returned the book.  He seriously believes that the BS he spouts in Canter Banter is what led to the thawing of relations between Axl and Slash.

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Norway,   I really enjoy your posts here.  You are obviously a very intelligent person and you have a unique perspective on things.   The reason I went to Marc's place of employment is that it is a public restaurant where he sells the book.  I had bought the book there in 2011 so since I wanted to return it, I saw no problem with going back to the original point of purchase.  My Uber car driver was actually very excited to be part of my Seth MacFarlane inspired adventure.  Marc and I had several correspondences for about 2 and a half months after I returned the book.  He seriously believes that the BS he spouts in Canter Banter is what led to the thawing of relations between Axl and Slash.
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Returning a book to 'point of purchase', when the seller has openly offered people to return their copies if they are not satisfied isn't a strange thing to do - it's pretty rational.

Eddie Trunk has in the past stated he is not a big fan of Axl's voice..He has also stated that there have been 2 contracts for GNR tours one for current lineup and another for a reunion...Who knows what is true...

He is stating opinions and second hand info - people in the music biz coming to him with 'a friend of a friend stories'

Whilst it makes good clickbait for his podcasts, it's not helpful.

Wow.  We actually agree on something

Maybe hell did freeze over?

In all seriousness, I owe you an apology.  Any disagreements in the past stemmed from me being wrong about an assumption I had made.

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, returning a book to the 'point of purchase' as the author invited anyone to do isn't strange, it's perfectly reasonable.  Now that you have clarified why you took it to the Deli (that's where you purchased it), I don't think anyone needs to say it was 'creepy' etc...

Thankyou. I appreciate that. :)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/68/7d/7c687debe61f4b5aca1f1465811bbd05.jpg)

 ^^^^^^^thats how I see some of these comments.

Classic, if there is a tour this should be the official t-shirt...

I think its a combination of the news that things may have thawed between Axl and Slash, as well as the fact...what the hell else is there?

There isn't even a functioning line-up right now.  I could see if maybe there was still a band, how all this reunion talk would be a bit silly.

But we have mass defections, not a peep about a new album.  People are just looking for some hope.

How different is it to say 2008?



/jarmo

2-3 people gone vs. 1 person in 2008... Also in 2008 we hadn't seen the huge change in relationship with Duff, and we 'hear' there is a change in relationship with Slash (not yet proven or disproven).

This doesn't mean a change in outcome from 2008, but it is certainly a drastic change in surrounding circumstances...

In 2008 we knew most of the songs from CD because of the leaks and because since 2001 we have heard a few of them live. And Slash didn`t say back then that his relationship with Axl was in good terms or more civilize terms.

Now we know nothing about CDII, there is no name for the album. All we heard was names of songs that never have been performed live. So there is nothing tangible. On top of that 3 guys are gone when in 2008 only one left. So Axl needs to find three new guys if he is  willing to continue with new GN`R.

Yes you pretty much nailed it. In 2008 I had heard just about the entire album minus 3 songs.  I believe behind the scenes is in the works. Everything Eddie Trunk said makes perfect sense from what we know. 

There was tangible evidence there were new songs and an album coming.

Fast forward 7 years.  All these alleged mind blowing songs they are sitting on, they have not played any of them over several tours.

Well, in early 2008 you had Beta's "We're currently negotiating the release...." comments, and by late summer we had Shackler's Revenge & If The World, leading up to the album release in the fall.  

We haven't heard a freakin' peep about the next album in 2015.  I'm not saying a reunion is imminent.  Just that in 2008 things seemed far more "hopeful" in regard to NuGNR's future, even with Robin's status being vague.

Which reminds me, aren't we due for Fernando's big news update soon?  Or is that just going to be neatly swept under the carpet?

So you're saying you knew the album was coming out say in January 2008?

Yeah, two guitar players left versus one in 2008. But that's not the point.
The point is, we didn't know who was in the band, and there was no planned activity in say early 2008. There was no announced release date or tour dates back then. Sound familiar?

There were comments, such as the one on the official web site in 2007 and 2008. But do you think some people really cared all that much about those words?


Correct. They didn't play those songs live. Maybe they learned from the last time they did that? Who knows...




/jarmo

speaking of 2008....from the Axl chats about Robin and his status.....sounds familiar and gives you a peak in to how Axl thinks about the lineup and touring....also note he says Robin's work for the "next" is done. 7 years later still waiting to hear that "work".. :hihi:

Quote from: Bruno Poeys on December 12, 2008, 04:16:31 AM
Now that you said that please tell us if Robin's out or not... because, otherwise, we'll be reading several 'Axl wants Bucket back and Robin/Bumble/Richard out' type of threads for the entire '09 year and these threads annoy us, the new lineup fans.

Axl : It really is what it is. No decisions have been made by either him, I or us that I'm aware of.

When we're touring or working in the studio or there's social things like a friend's dinner or party whatever we would hang. But as people get older they have their own lives. The Stones aren't going bowling every Tuesday etc.

Robin leads one of the most different lives I know of starting with the trapeze in his backyard to the tv in his closet. Robin's work on the next is done so there's not lots for him to do here except the elusive promo and he'd rather be on stage.

It's more about seeing where things are when Guns decides it's right for a tour and if we're able to make agreements we both are comfortable and can live with at that time.

Well, hopefully Fernando's elusive news update will shed some light on that one.

I'm saying I knew there were new songs because I had heard them for years.

I have serious doubts as to whether Axl's heart is even in this anymore, as it pertains to "the second half of Chinese".

Insane as it sounds, a reunion actually sounds more plausible than this mythical next album.

And now you don't believe there are new songs because you didn't hear them?



/jarmo

I think he means do we know if Axl really cares to still release them this time around at this point. Well , I don't know if that's what he means, but that's what I take away from everything.

It's only natural to wonder if Axl is all about it.

That was the part after. First he said the part I responded to.

This is a philosophical question!
If you can't touch, see or hear something. Can it exist? ;)



/jarmo

ha.. I have no doubt the songs exist... it's just whether we will ever touch, see or hear them... who knows?

Well, just thinking about what some of you expect. You expect a full promotional assault when the album is released.

Fair enough.

So keeping that in mind, do you think it would make sense to release the album tomorrow, when all signs we've gotten so far point to next year being busier than this year?
Do you think it would make more sense to release an album when there's touring plans or vice versa?

Just asking. Hypothetical questions....



/jarmo

It would certainly be more ideal if the album did not simply "drop", similar to what happened with Chinese, with little to no real promotion.  I guess the concern here is that we have yet to see anything that would lead us to believe that in October of 2015, Axl is still serious about getting said album out to the fans.   

Last "official" word we got from Axl was a year and a half ago about how they were going to "look very seriously" at what they were doing in that regard after Vegas.  Which, again, ended almost a year and a half ago with no word from Axl or management about what's going on since.  That's....troubling.

I gotta be honest... for me personally.. I don't care about the promotion.. I just want the record.. if there is not one interview ... or anything... Don't care...

As far as touring... without trying to sound like a broken record... I do not want to see another new cast of characters in Guns N Roses... playing a set they have nothing to do with....

So if there's anyway they can get Robin back... and really put together a set of some old stuff and a lot of CD songs and the new songs... that would be sick..

If not.. if you are going to have a set list consisting of mostly Appetite and Illusions... bring me the real thing.

Spot on, really.  It's just been too long. What, I wonder, is an "ideal" promotional plan for a hard rock album in 2016 anyway?  What kind of rollout can he/we/whoever expect?  Is it worth keeping this album buried for X number of years more?  At what point does "not compromising" become masturbation?

Some release of remastered songs and CD2 to coincide with a monster world tour with Slash Duff Richard whoever... that hybrid lineup we've all talked about would of course be jackpot...

One can dream right?


So if that's what is int he works... guys please take ur time cross all the T's... and don't screw this up !

So, because he hasn't said anything recently, it must mean he doesn't want to release it?

Another possibility is that he's not talking until everything is set in stone....




/jarmo

No, it doesn't.  But then again it doesn't exactly bode well for the opposite, does it?

Depends on your outlook on life I guess...  :hihi:



/jarmo

True.  I've said it before, for all we know management could be circling a 2016 release date as speak, with a final tracklisting that's just waiting for final mastering. 

...Or Axl could still be "sifting through" and dicking around with a mass of music that has yet to be formed into an actual, real deal, album.  We just don't know...Until we know.

I think Axl debuted those songs on the tours pre-CD because he was excited about them.

I don't think he debuted any new songs with the last line-up because he was not as excited about them as a group.

Its hard to find a real strong argument that he's super gung-ho on this.  And don't give me that horseshit about a masterplan, and plans change or any of that crap.

Things aren't happening because he doesn't want them to.  Pick a reason, but that's the bottom line.

Well, we can guess, can't we?

Unless you are the type of person that thinks speculation should cease when the outlook ain't rosy.

We are talking about the last couple of years of the band tour. They didn`t perform not even one new song!!! There was not one new song on some movie soundtrack either.

As I said before CDII doesn`t even have a name!!!

The current situation is that BBF and DJ are gone. And Tommy is most likely gone as well

How are we going to believe that a new album is coming up any time soon?

So very much, this.  I've gotten this vibe ever since his "No idea and don't care" crack about the next album in his interview with Del several years back. That's why so many fans were stoked by his Golden Gods interview about the "second half of Chinese", only to seep back into the shadows and radio silence for 18 months and counting.  Where's the excitement and buzz?  Hell, in 2008 you could cut it with a knife, and that's with Axl not making any public appearances.

Now?  All the media cares about is a reunion that likely will not happen. Is the silence regarding GNR's future helping that?  Hell no.

When they perform a big gig with some new songs and new players or release a new album I think they got some attention :yes:




Like gunnagirl, she just wants it too.

I think you're wrong.
So he wasn't excited about There Was A Time until 2006? And Catcher In The Rye until 2009?

He's even mentioned song titles in the past and described songs...
You know that intro they used at some of the shows? It's from an unreleased song.





So? Does any of that mean there's no new songs?
Of course not. :)




/jarmo

Man, all I know is that if Axl is beyond stoked about the next album and getting it out, he has an awfully funny way of showing it.

I guess it all comes down to the fact that some need reassurances. If they don't get them, then this is what happens....
Same thing happened in the past.

"This is the end", "there's no band", "the album's never coming out" and so on.

We go around in circles, until we come back to the name discussion, the setlist discussion and the one about the lack of promotion for CD....  :rofl:



Edited to add: So it seems like due to Eddie Trunk and his secret sources, you guys think a reunion is more likely than new music from GN'R?




/jarmo

Its long past ridiculous. 

We live in a world where people traverse oceans in life rafts to escape terrible living situations...yet here we have a rich and pampered rock star that can't get a collection of long recorded songs released.

So much of life comes down to "want to".  You either do or you don't.

Maybe, yeah.

But when you are talking about something with a 1% chance of happening versus something that is at around 5%, the point may have been missed.

that was funny...but, I would take the 5%....betting man...take the odds. : ok:

Ultimately, yeah.

But it looks like either option is going to require a miracle.

I don't think so....could get your cake and eat it too.  :o

Making a comparison between refugees and releasing an album.
Now it all makes sense. Keep telling us "it's just a rock band".... You just compared a life and death situation to releasing an album.
Holy shit!

There's a difference between having to and wanting to.
Axl Rose doesn't have to please you. That seems to bug you to no end! :D



/jarmo

It doesn`t matter. If those songs are locked in some deposite box. If we can`t listen to them it is the same as nothing. We are talking about a ghost or myth kind of album.

^^^ and we've come full circle.

essentially whenever any fan says.. wheres the new album? the default line is now... "Axl Rose doesnt have to please you"...

Ive never heard this answer from any other artist or their close affiliates ever.

Its a ridiculous answer.  ::)

This is the most insane thing I've read on the forum in a long time.  Those things aren't comparable in any way.

Sure. But doesn't mean they don't exist.  :)



What's ridiculous is comparing the album to refugees. Come on!

If this wait is so horrible, take a break and do something constructive, Oscar.



/jarmo

Meaning what?  Both happen??

Right now, they are equivalent of every out of work actor's screenplay he's been working on since he moved to L.A. 8 years ago.

At least they exist. Unlike your imaginary celebrity girlfriend....



/jarmo

When Rihanna and I have something to announce, we'll announce it.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I could make a joke here, but I know you'll just get upset....  :-X

By the way, you owe us an update because we've been supporting you and your imaginary existence for quite some time now.




/jarmo

There are 13 big movie premieres left in 2015.

We might just show up on a red carpet.

What are the odds that this guy is gonna show up with Rihanna at a movie premiere versus that reunion?

Edited to add: Once again, I'm being way nicer than usual...  :-X


/jarmo

I can only do my part.

I of course refer to giving you no updates or information about anything, ever.

Oh, and labeling such speculation harmful, and...a little irresponsible, frankly.

imo they should remix songs heavier than is the case. Like Roger Waters doing Run Like Hell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B8BAXq0kmY), the changes occur at around 2:37 and 4:38

We've been speculating for days. Why stop now?

I think the chance of a reunion is slightly bigger than you appearing at a movie premiere with a famous woman. Sorry!  

 :hihi:

Edited to add: Congrats for post of the year comparing refugees to a GN'R album. Really. Good job!




/jarmo

I can agree with you on that part...

But its not worth getting your knickers in a knot over an analogy that maybe missed the mark.  ;)

Look, my point is... why do you feel so aggrieved that fans want new music? Like its some sort of hindrance? It makes no sense to me. Its not like these guys got an album last year? or the year before.. we are talking about 7 years and counting... and 1 album in 23 years +

I have plenty i can do.... but is that the way you treat fans? Loyal ones.. even after all this time? C'mon mate...  

Well, what does it say about a person when one makes that kind of comparison?
Time for a time out? It's fucking sad...  :no:



I have never said I have a problem with people wanting new music?
What is this? Groundhog Day?
Who told you that? Tell whoever told you that, that they are wrong.

Pay attention to what I say instead of jumping to conclusions.

I wanna hear new music too. Doesn't mean I'll start comparing human suffering to a new album!
It doesn't mean I'll spend every day between now and then feeling frustrated. Obviously this isn't true for some people. But what can you do?

Whatever the stats are, it is what it is. You're not gonna change it by whining about it day in and day out are you?



/jarmo

Some people have a can do attitude.  Some don't.  Its as simple as that.

The easiest position to take is always going to be to talk yourself out of doing something.

But serious people find a way, every day in this world.  Unserious people...don't.

Im honestly not the one whinging about CD2 mate. My personal feelings on CD2 are.. it doesnt bother me if it never sees the light of day. I have no emotional attachment to anyone that would be on that music beyond Axl.. I'd prefer to see Axl spend his time on the reunion (if there is one)... and if anything comes from that.. then it would beat CD2 for me. But hey... thats just me.

I'm just pointing out that even though CD2 doesnt mean a whole lot to me personally.. i can see how it does for others who feel frustrated. I dont think anyone on here thinks that whining about it every day is going to alter the outcome of when or if its released.. but it is a forum and people will always bring it up... thats just life.

You may have never said you have a problem with people wanting the new music specifically.. but you dont say or do anything that would lend anyone on here to believe you may be in the slightest bit sympathetic to the long waits. And thats where these arguments stem from IMO...

Yes.. comparing this to refugees is not cool. I agree with you.. but its hardly shocking to me that i would read this stuff on the internet.. a lot worse gets said.

Thank you Matt Foley, motivational speaker.

Yeah. Some people leave their homes because they have no other choice.
Axl Rose has choices and they don't appeal to you. Too bad for you....




No, I only keep repeating the understanding I have for those who want to hear new music Ad nauseam...
Like I said, all topics seem to come back to the same handful issues. For those of us who've been around for a while, it gets boring to have the same "But we need a new album" discussion every month or so.




This might be shocking to you. But the replies here are only comments on what I see here. Now I'm replying to your post.
Whatever was said on any other site, either by you or somebody else doesn't really matter to this particular post....  ;)

So yeah, I'm aware that worse things are said. Even more stupid things.
But that doesn't change the level of stupidity in that post. Hence, my response to it.  : ok:




/jarmo

Yeah, he's showing me, I guess.

All he does is win, win, win.  No matter what.

Man just think of the traffic on this board if there is a full on reunion.   
 

What r u talking about? Axl should drop what he is doing (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=2379) just to caress some forumguys. Sky is falling man.

Who is Eddie trunk anyways?   I saw a interview with him on YouTube once and he really does have a radio face

Why is he such in the know?

It would be insane.

Those handful of issues you don't like repeatedly brought up... some of them could be solved if someone in GNR land decided they cared enough to address them?

It's not like whoever is running this ship isnt aware of the main gripes of the long-serving fans of this band, yet nothing has been done to address any of them.. ever. Except for Fernando coming on here and that other site and saying he understood some of the gripes and concerns and that they were looking at them.  

In any other business, in just about any other industry, someone would address the key issues and at try to do something to appease such a loyal supporter base.. But No.. not GNR.

But anyway... its better to just berate the fans for bringing up these issues over and over again i guess.  

It's worse situations. Duke Nukem won several vaporware awards. :P CD2-release was hinted not too long ago. IE If 2016 goes by w/o release we can start a riot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8LEEtuO2oI



Popfans r us :smoking:

 :hihi:

No one has shot this down after all this time. It happening or in the process of happening unless things fall through for whatever reason. I'd imagine there are a lot of things that can keep this from happening but if they want it to happen it will

I tend to agree. But i think its going to be a lot of work and it aint happening tomorrow. lol

Listen you dirty hair metal lover, everything Axl has done since 1996 has been the right thing and you shut up and like it.

It's not about going around trying to stir up trouble. As long as you're honest and you articulate what you believe to be true, somebody somewhere will become your enemy whether you like it or not.

Didn't Abraham Lincoln warn people about believing things on the internet?  :hihi:

What a great post.  Makes me think of the goofy movie  Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter..  :hihi:
You know what I think would be cool. Has anybody ever seen the BEATLES LOVE show by Cirque Du Soleil? I think a GNR inspired Cirque du Soleil show would be totally awesome.  And a great way to showcase both classic and new songs. 
 

Yeah, the old "poor me" always works.

"I want a new album!"
"I want a new album!"
"I want a new album!"
"I want a new album!"
....
"I want a new album!"

"We know. Please stop, you're boring."

"You hate the fans."

 :hihi:




Good thing he has Bon Jovi to save the day!  : ok:




/jarmo

He doesn't have hair anymore.

Although I usually roll my eyes at this concept, the reality is that this management team never says shit about shit, anyway.

Meaning, I wouldn't read too much into this either way.  We all know their phones don't dial out.

But you got a response.....  : ok:



/jarmo

In what, invisible ink?

Last thing we heard from Fernando was that he would be back with an update.  If I had a nickel for every time we heard that, I'd have one shitload of nickels.

And what do your constant potshots at GNR management achieve exactly?

Same as a lecture.  Give or take.

No, everybody saw it. Maybe you already forgot....  :D



/jarmo

Must have.

Let me refresh your memory. The responses could be condensed into one word: Wrong.
You're welcome.  : ok:



/jarmo

That doesn't even make any sense.  What does that do to refute that the last thing we hard from him was he'd be back with an update...eventually?  That was NOT the last thing he told us?

Wait a second, wait a second... 

Are you actually still talking about his response he gave me to several questions I asked that got you all funny in the pants?  The one where he didn't address a single thing I asked thing I asked?  The one you labeled the smackdown of the century?

Please tell me we are not still on that.  Because I very calmly and civily picked that apart, and several of the peeps around here (friend and foe alike) agreed he never actually said anything about anything.

Though I'm sure it was printed out and hung up on your wall, it really doesn't factor into anything being discussed here.

Please tell me I'm mistaken and that is not what you just referenced.  Because that would be sad, if it was the case.  Please tell me I'm wrong.

I don't need to, Fernando did!

You were making comments about not getting responses from management, I just pointed out you already got a personal one. On top of that, you won post of the year here. Good going in 2015!

Typical of you to try to prove somebody, who knows a bit more about the band and their business than you, wrong. Hard to take you seriously.  :hihi:



/jarmo

Yikes.  So it is what I thought.

Sad.

Like John McClane once said...hate it when I'm right.

What's sad is when you compare refugees to releasing a GN'R album.
You're like a bottomless well of amusement.

 :P

By the way, you take yourself way too seriously. It's only for shits and giggles.  :-*



/jarmo

It's a concept known as illustrating absurdity by being absurd.

Its long, long, long past absurd Axl can't get a new album out.  7 fucking years.  Give me a break.

So I started thinking about other things that people have gotten done in the 7 years he can't pick a tracklist.  And I was going for the most extreme example, and that's what came to mind.

Now, you'd obviously rather talk about an analogy you don't like rather than address the actual point, that our man is woefully unmotivated. 

But that's just how you roll.  I'm used to it.

Why don't you post a picture of yourself and a list of things you've achieved in seven years. Then we can all decide if it was worth the time? :)

 :hihi:




/jarmo

Whether I've sat on a couch for 7 years or cured cancer, its not going to change the fact a 7 year delay to released material already recorded is absurd.

Sorry, brah.

Seven years of whining is still seven years.... But maybe you'll get that album eventually, and your life will be complete! :)




/jarmo

These aren't even answers anymore.  The thread of the plot here is long lost, friendo.

Going to move onto other threads now.

I forgot, you can only post in two or three at once. :D





/jarmo

Which is the point i made yesterday.

Anytime anybody questions Axl or management its met with non answers, such as.. hows whinging about that new album going for you? Or.. move on with your life  :D

They arent even real answers anymore. They are just one liners used to hide the fact they have no real legitimate excuse for it, and rather than just admit it.  :yes:

Excuse for what?

You guys are being silly.

Why do you need excuses? It's just a rock band. Isn't that what you've been saying?
Yet here you are taking it seriously and whining about stuff you have zero control over.  :)




/jarmo

I don't know if this is the topic to ask this question but does anybody know if axl outside of obviously guns n roses does he have any other businesses or things he is involved in. A lot of people come on here and get on axl and complain oh 7 years since an album or how long he takes to do things as if the guy is just literally sitting around doing nothing all day long. I have no idea what axl's day to day operation is nor do most people so keep in mind this guy must have other things in life that he has going on while obviously GNR is a big part of it let the guy be if your going to come on here day after day thinking something new is going to happen your wasting time Fernando says something will come out and when it does it does don't dwell on it because your going to be on here day after day and just going to get mad because a week went by and nothing happened when who knows it will.

I think some chose to ignore the fact that he didn't take seven years off and sit at home all that time.
They toured the world until last June.

The band hasn't been that active in a long time. Say mid-2008 until summer 2014 was a great time to be a GN'R fan if you compare to other years.
But that wasn't good enough for some. Many of us were enjoying ourselves, others were busy looking for faults with everything. Their loss!




/jarmo

I don't need excuses, i would just prefer a real explanation when a grievance is aired. That's fairly simple.

I might be here "whining" and taking it seriously (to a point), but thats only because Axl is my favorite Artist of all time and like others, we want to know whats going on.

Ill say something positive. I was really grateful Guns came to my home town in 2013. It was brilliant to see Axl performing on my front door step and its one of the highlights of my life. Thats how much i love guns and Axl and the music hes given us. I was also wrapped to see Duff do sth american shows, it was such a throwback to old days for me, so yes you are right..its not like Axl has sat around and done nothing for 7 years. Just wanted to avoid any confusion, and i dont want to be accused of not having anything good to say.  :P

So what's your grievance?

Edited to add: Are you aware that some of the explanations you might have to try to figure out for yourself since there might not be an answer to your every grievance? This is the part some don't wanna do. Or they just choose to take the easy route....




/jarmo

My main grievance has always been a lack of communication from Axl and the GNR camp with the fans.

When Fernando turned up here and on  mygnrforum to talk with the board members, he took some stick (always bound to happen with internet warriors) however, i think the majority of the users on both forums were very appreciative of Fernando turning up and having a chat. Personally, at this stage with where the band is at... i get that he was restricted by what he could answer legitimately. If a reunion is in the pipeline, then of course hes restricted on what he can say for obvious reasons.

However, the current situation hasnt always been the situation, Fernando achknowledged it somewhere on one of the boards that GNR management is aware there is a gap between them and the fans and that there would be some effort made to bridge that gap. I havent seen it, although in his defence that was only said a few months back.

I have said many times, if Axl doesnt want to release CD2 or whatever the issue is then just explain it to the fans. I am sure Axl would have some inkling that the fans are questioning it.. again.. it just comes back to communication. This fan base gets very little in terms of any communication, we feed off rumour.. inuendo and fucking eddie trunk for anything. Which personally.. i just think is a massive shame considering the fans that are left here obviously deeply care. Thats just my opinion. Look how excited people get when Axl posts a random bloody tweet of his dog. lol ... If Axl or GNR management gave us just a little bit more here and there.. im sure a lot of the innuendo and confusion regarding topics would be put to rest.

Honest question, do you expect Fernando to give us some solid information or even to return to the forum within his time frame? this isnt a troll question, its an honest question. I dont expect him to come on and just announce everything, but do u think he will have anything for us?

Serious question: Is this something you've noticed recently?

As far as I can tell, the band and Axl have always updated fans wen there's been something to say.
Maybe it's because I'm Finnish. We tend to cut the bullshit and go straight to the point....




Sure, if things go as he envisioned them.
I don't know what time frame we're talking about or what he's supposed to announce.

Contradictory to what some might think, nobody's trying to fuck with the fans.



/jarmo

Do you not agree that the amount of attention the reunion talk is getting (even outside of our little corner of the internet) is potentially distracting from what their plans are? If new members and CD2 (or whatever it will be called) is the path, then there will be some level of backlash. I do not see the harm in shooting it down if it clears the way for your future plans.

Fernando said 2-4 months IIRC....

whats he supposed to announce? Well, i would assume that he was alluding to the fact that he would be able to give us some new information on what the band intends to do for 2016? Realistically though, id expect him to come back on and say... listen guys, there will be an official announcement on such and such a date???? Im not daft enough to think that hes going to just spill details of everything on an internet forum. He did also say they were working on Merch (which may not interest everyone, but it interests me) especially if they revisit any older designs that the classic guns line up used for t-shirts and the such... There were a lot of other questions asked by board members which i cannot even remember.. so hopefully he will have a little bit more information for us on what we can expect in terms of announcements and time frames etc... that sort of thing.

Its about this time of year things happen in GnR world (if its the right year) so here's to soon....

Could be.

But you have to remember that this isn't he first time it happens. Think back to 2011-2012 for example.




Well that's what I don't know so thanks for reminding me.





/jarmo

He'll strengthen his association to the topic.

Nah.
If anything were going to happen this year, we'd have heard about it by now.

I know this isn't the first time, but this seems like it's getting a lot more attention than previous laps around this topic. I think a lot of that is due to the circumstances: more open slots, some unclear membership, plus the addition of another 'reported' thawed relationship with a 'classic' lineup member. These pieces of circumstantial evidence along with the casual fans 'bucket list' wish to see a reunion seem to have given this legs.

This is where I think a little more transparency than the GnR Camp is used to would be beneficial to them.


How does saying something like this 'strengthen' the topic, in my mind this kills it in a political way: "I appreciate the interest in the rich history of this band, and while I am happy to have reconnected with old friends recently, I am as interested as ever in the future of this band and the success of the members who have helped me push this band forward. With that in mind I want to let you know that news is forthcoming on new music and future touring plans, but I can say without a shadow doubt that this will be with a recharged modern lineup. I am sorry that the internet has taken some tidbits of information and ran with it, but there will not be a reunion of what is being called the 'classic' line up of GnR. Thank you - Axl"

Not in this lifetime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GySgwfYOOA




 I understand the "romantic" thing, the desire, the fantasy. Personally I haven't wanted other bands to reunite, or really enjoyed it when they have. For me generally something always seemed missing.

But Guns is my life, not someone else's. For me there hasn't been a way to make any type of reunion work regardless of money (either talk or legitimate) without jeopardizing what I feel is the well-being and best interests of nearly everyone I'm involved with in the GNR camp (including myself). People here have big investments of their lives in what we're doing. We've worked hard for what we have here now and continue to do so. I know what I went thru then. I know what I and all of us have gone thru since. People enjoyed the product and the entertainment our lives gave them back in the day, but they weren't the ones actually living those lives together. It's not somewhere I'd go back to or would want to go again. Life's too short.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=182




Give me a fucking break

http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/42596



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The list goes on...

Yeah, it's getting attention. Not sure if it's more or less to be honest. In 2012, there was a date and location set for the reunion (if you asked the media). Everything was in place for it to happen according to them.
Now they don't have a date and place, but they have something else to go on.


The question is, do you burst the bubble with only "bad" news? For example "No, it's not true."
Or do you just wait and ride it out until you got something. "We got a album/tour, contrary to rumors this is the band's line up" that kind of thing.

I understand the need some have for updates.... Don't get me wrong. But you gotta look at things from another angle sometimes. It's not always about what you (not you personally) want.



/jarmo

Things change... good and bad. Do people pay tens of thousands (or more) dollars on weddings thinking/expecting or knowing that it's going to end within 5 years? No... At the same time have you ever had a friend early in life that you were close to that ended badly, then the stars align, and you sit down over a beer and everything washed away... it's like time turned back.

Sometimes two people or a group of people just get together and suddenly the feud makes little sense at this point in their lives, it doesn't mean there aren't obstacles to clear but I wouldn't take a quote from 2010 or 2012 as an absolute. Just something as simple as Del wishing Slash a happy birthday is a confirmation that there was some kind of 'thawing'... Axl's circle is tight and loyal, they wouldn't acknowledge Slash in anyway if it weren't OK with Axl.

Does this mean reunion? Absolutely not, but the hard feelings behind those quotes have changed... maybe next time it is worded softer, yet the message stays the same, but I wouldn't say that it is 100% in either direction any longer.

I guess I am kinda glad for all this reunion talk

If there wasn't any of that.  What would we have?

Silence from the guns camp since June 2014 pretty much

Loosing two lead guitar players

Other band members saying they for have a clue what's going on

I can see why rabid fans will grab at anything

In this case I don't think it is as much a 'need for an update' like it was pre CD where we were happy to get a statement telling us how many Tuesdays were left in a year, as much as it is damage control when you have the ability to control the talk track. That could be the intention here, they might be less comfortable shooting it down without a payout at the end (tour or CD2 announcement). I just wonder if that announcement happens too late, does the reunion fever affect the reaction to the new (show, material, members...)?

I understand we have had 'scheduled reunion shows' in the past, but maybe it's an in the moment thing making me feel like this is as 'bad' as it's ever gotten. I think the fact that we have seen Axl on stage with some of the more important pieces (Duff and Izzy) and the recent reported changes to the Slash relationship really driving this along with the bands intended cloud of secrecy leading to lineup confusion.

Are you already back peddling from Fernando's 2-4 month announcement?  So it's 2-4 months, unless something changes, right?

That's the problem (I think) some people have here.  There is zero culpability taken from management.  So essentially, it doesn't matter what anyone says ever, because things can change?  That doesn't really instill confidence that you would expect from a management team.