Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Tommy was interview by 89.3 The Current.  Here's roughly some of what he had to say...

September 13th, 2015

What's up with GN'R? You've been in Guns N' Roses for what 15 years?

Tommy Stinson:  17 years. Ya know, I, the back story on that I don't really want to talk about on air. What happened with it, it has nothing to do with Axl or any of that stuff. It had more to do with my personal situation. Basically, I played my last gig in Las Vegas with them and had to come home and tend to that the best I could. While Replacement's things were kinda being offered up. And, I you know, I sort of, I don't know. I think that my guess is...that at some point someone is going to call me and tell me what's up with that. Cause we've all left, we've left on friendly terms it not like a bad thing. Another guitar player DJ Ashba I think he "officially" quit  to do something but ya know I just, ya know, I had to walk away and take care of my stuff so. Taking care of my stuff, whatever my stuff is.

17 years later, boom. It was a very good gig for me I nothing bad to say.

I know there's been speculation going on in the press the last few day that Axl and Slash may be trying to mend fences.

Tommy Stinson: I'll be perfectly honest with you man, I hope they do because ya know, when you go back to where you started from and just check that out, and feel that for a moment after you've gone on and done all these other things ya know. There is a reward that comes with that I had that with the Mats stuff...it's a good thing, it's a good thing to do once in a while. And I hope it works out for them. If that actually happens.

Full audio of interview here @31:00: http://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2015/09/13/tommy-stinson-performs-in-the-current-studios

Alrighty then.

Ok Tommy good luck taking care of your stuff. I?ll take care of my stuff and Axl and Slash will take care of their stuff, whatever their stuff is

 :smoking:

So he's not out.  He just walked away...

Amazing that Tommy was in the band for 17 years.  While I have always supported a reunion of the AFD band, I think Tommy deserves a ton of respect for arguably being the one to keep GNR an active band over the years.  I haven't always liked what the new GNR has produced live and in the studio, but without him I am not sure we would have gotten any of it.  Its nice being able to judge anything at all as a fan.  Good luck Tommy, for real!  

Yeah but don?t worry. Some people are gonna try to spin it somehow  ::)

P.S. Jarmo I do not mean you.  :peace:

I think Sky Dog is crying.  :'(

well maybe not but he gave everything he had to Axl and hope one day the rest of the music he wrote and recorded with Gnr comes out....all of it. He fucking deserves it.  :peace:

Shit.


I hope to see him coming back at some point.

In a other hand im really diggin' his solo stuff (and always have). Just like Perfect and The Replacements. So im looking foward for the new Single.

First of all, lets take care of our stuff.

Hmm.  Well, be it a new album or a reunion, whatever management and Axl are cooking up behind the scenes is certainly top secret. 

Edit: Though I don't get why Tommy would be left completely in the dark if there was just a new album coming.  Since, you know, he's on it...

This camp  ::)

I hope someone is gonna call Tommy and tell whats up, when its time.


I wish him all the best.

You would hope that after 17 years of loyalty, that someone in TB would muster up the strength to pick up the phone to let him know what's happening next, reunion or otherwise.  You would hope.

What we know is that Tommy said after vegas that he needs some time off.

My guesses are

1. Things are moving, someone will call him when they need him. To see is he in or out.
2. The band is still on hiatus.

My guesses are.   

There is no active guns n roses right now

Tommy is unofficially out of any plans for future guns work

Do we know that...anything...is going on behind the scenes?  Last we heard from Fernando was that there was "news" coming within the next few months, whatever that means.  ???

GUNS N' ROSES Bassist TOMMY STINSON Hopes AXL ROSE Reunites Band's Classic Lineup

September 15, 2015

Longtime GUNS N' ROSES bassist Tommy Stinson, who has been with the band since 1998, has told The Current that he doesn't know the Axl Rose-fronted group's status at the moment.

Stinson, a founding member of the seminal Minneapolis-based rock group THE REPLACEMENTS, last played with GUNS N' ROSES at an April 2014 show in Las Vegas. "The back story on that, I don't really want to talk about on air. 'Cause what happened with it, it has nothing to do with Axl or any of that stuff; it had more to do with my personal situation," he said. "Basically, I played my last gig in Las Vegas with them and had to come home and tend to that the best I could while REPLACEMENTS [reunion shows] were kinda being offered up. And I, you know, I sort of? I don't know. I think that? My guess is...that, at some point, someone's gonna call me and tell me what's up with that. 'Cause we all left? We've left on friendly terms? it wasn't like a bad thing. But another guitar player, DJ Ashba, I think he 'officially' quit to do something but, you know, I just? I had to walk away and take care of my stuff so. Taking care of my stuff; whatever my stuff is."

Recent rumors are pointing to a possible reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' classic 1987 lineup, which would mean Duff McKagan taking over bass duties, along with Steven Adler, Izzy Stradlin and Slash rejoining the ranks. The rumors are centered around Slash's recent revelation that he and Rose had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years,

Asked about the reports of a possible classic GN'R reunion, Stinson told The Current: "I'll be perfectly honest with you, man. I hope they do because, you know, when you go back to where you started from and just check that out, and feel that for a moment after you've gone on and done all these other things, you know, there's a reward that comes with that, and I had that with the 'MATS [short for PLACEMATS, which itself is a nickname for THE REPLACEMENTS] stuff... It's a good thing; it's a good thing to do once in a while. And I hope it works out for 'em ? if it actually happens."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-bassist-tommy-stinson-hopes-axl-roses-reunites-bands-classic-lineup/

whadafuck is going on with this band  :-\

Seriously.  Is anyone even at the wheel?

Bueller??...Bueller??....

So....to those doubting the phrasing the first time...does this move you closer to the "he is out" side? Or not? I'm honestly curious...not trying to push one way or the other.

To me, it sounds like he's out, but he's just not closing the door to the possibility of coming back, should TB figure out how to use a phone. 

I read this as he's definitely out. And to me that really pushes towards a reunion.

It just confirms what he said last time, he dindnt quit, he is not fired. He is taking a break from the band. Now he dosent know what the situation is, maybe he is not ready to join the band again, maybe the band dosent need him now. He is (momentarily) out of the loop because he asked to.

Thats how i read it, too..and was basically my take away the first time.

But the coming back is a considerstion, not a foregone conclusion.

He says he had to walk away after Las Vegas to deal with his personal situation.  He's waiting for someone to call him to let him know what's up with the band.

He doesn't know what the band has planned going forward.

He is out. The only difference is that he is not gonna issue a statement like DJ did. BBF was out and he never issue a statement. But unlike BBF, Tommy is less evasive. Tommy says he played his last gig in Vegas and that he had to walk away. On top of that he is fine if Axl and Slash are friends again. It seems he wouldn?t mind a reunion

Good articles, thanks for posting :)

What's the difference?  Same end result.

Well, at this point....you HAVE to root for a reunion.  There is no band right now. 

Help us Obi-Wan Reunion...you're only only hope.....

But do you think is a situation where absence is going to make the heart grow fonder?

What is he really walking away from?

Nice attempt at trolling there.
In case you're serious, why are you here?  :P



/jarmo

OK, its September 15th, 2016.  One year from today.

The band continues at the breakneck pace they are currently on. 

Tommy is going to feel compelled to call Axl at that point?  Why?

You're assuming that's the case.

Even if it was, think about it.
All the information you need is available on this site.....

If you're still not sure, here's a hint:

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/jarmo

Why are you inventing a future fantasy? You have no idea what will transpire by Sept 2016.

I'm taking a stab, yes.

Should things go that way, I have a hard time seeing Tommy's sudden desire to reach out and touch someone.

Betting man?  We can close the book on Mr. Stinson as it pertains to Guns N' Roses.

Not claiming to be Nostradamus here, Emily.

Just a question about a very probable turn of events and how that might play out.

For the first time in 20 years, sure seems like some reunion type scenario is our best bet to see more of Axl Rose.

There are those that seem to enjoy jumping to conclusions and assuming, then there are those who prefer to wait on official information.

I belong to that last group. ;)

I suppose it is fun to speculate on possible probabilities, it certainly seems to be appealing to many.  : ok:

Guess I'm a buzzkill, I prefer certainties and official statements.

 :-*
i understand how people are curious on whats happening, i am curious myself, but i totally agree with you! Why assume things...?

I think i take him at his word: he'll consider it.

What his requirements would be, what he would want to see to convince him to return (if anything), i have no idea.

I think, at this point, just wrapping our heads around "out/not out" is enough to grapple with, for me. I can't entertain the "what if" to secure his return, or what the probability of return is. I'm just not there, yet.

Once again I was right  :-*. He was clearly out.

Reunion is comin' (probably not a full reunion, but something like that). We'll see.

Stinson was the last man standing, whitout him new gnr doesn't mean anything, we all know.

Amazes me the way things are going.
It?s like Axl/TB... band members.

When BBF put that countdown on his twitter, seemed to me that things were going bad. I remember the rumor about band members got the news about after the vegas residence, they?ll be free to do their things. Ok, so go and do it. But Axl has plenty of songs already recorded and now they have 3 guys (if Tommy?s out) out of the band, after 1 year of the last show. How can we be optimistic about the situation? If the reunion will not gonna happen, do you think axl will do another tour with new members without a new album? for what?? The core of this "new" line up was always the guitars and axl.
Same time I?m anxious about what?s next, I?m kinda bored to see these former members given a goodbye to this band with a letdown feeling it it. It?s frustating, even to a recent fan of GNR.

IMO this just means that there's nothing going on. And as Ashba said "hiatus".

once there's something "going on"... Axl would let em all know, and see who's on-board with that project.

kinda crap to be in their shoes... with all the uncertainty

That interview looks to me like he was really struggling for words to convey things without upsetting the apple cart. Lots of ahh.. umms.. and skirting around things.

The interview changes nothing... it was all "up in the air" before.. and it still is.

8 weeks to go before we have news?  ;)

I feel like that if somebody asked Tommy or any guy in the band a few years ago they would never say anything like that in regards to a reunion.

I think it's definitely at least being considered by Axl and the other parties, and the guys who were in the band knew it and some have just moved on. I think Duff will be on stage with Axl next time we see Axl no matter what the lineup is.

Just a gut feeling.

I think some hybrid lineup is definitely coming which I'm alllll for. But hopefully it doesn't push any release to the side.

I think it's unfortunate that the only pieces of information being put out there at this point are from former members (and I'm truly sad if Tommy is, in fact, gone).  It's frustrating, in a purely selfish way, to be a fan who loves this band, always trying to read between the lines and dissect every word and phrase for some hidden meaning or inference.

That said, when there is something to actually announce, it will come from Axl / GnR.  Until then, let the maddening speculation continue.  Sigh.

Hang on.. What are you all talking about? Tommy says he hopes the next chapter involves Slash.
The line up of Guns N'Roses we've supported since 2009 is over. This is a fact.

If Richard is speaking the truth and next year is going to be great I reckon Slash & Duff are back.
I just hope they can somehow release the chinese 2 stuff!

Bye Tommy, DJ & Ron.

Makes me believe more and more what I mentioned a couple weeks ago.

Richard and Frank seem to have some clue about something happening next year.  The others (DJ, Bumble, Tommy), not so much and two of them are already officially out.  To me, this could very well mean that a reunion might be happening but without Izzy and Matt or Steven....which makes sense.

New lineup

Axl
Duff
Slash
Richard
Frank
Dizzy
Chris

I'd agree that's the most likely thing to happen. I'd be surprissed if it's classic lineup

I have nothing but respect for Stinson. He filled in for Duff and help to keep GNR alive. I wish him all the best.

Am i the only person who doesnt want a hybrid line up?

I just hope axl is only considering these guys... duff, slash, Izzy, Dizzy, Matt/Steven, and at a push Gilby if Izzy isnt interested or available and if he wants a proper"reunion"

Slash coming back on his own isnt a "Reunion" in the traditional sense. It needs to be more than that.

What's hard to comprehend is just the lack of clarity. Sure there is nothing going on so there is no news to share on no confirmation of band 'membership', BUT there is a wild rumor mill that is being picked up and directed at these members every time they do press related to their side (primary?) projects... why doesn't Axl/TB nip some of this in the bud?

Also related to some of the 'wild ass guessing' that happened here (which I am guilty of) some of that is at least rooted in history. Last show was June 2014... rewind 12 years from there... December 2002 Guns N Roses walks off stage at MSG and we all know what happened... No shows for 3.5 years, no Bucket, no album... is DGen's assumption that this day in 2016 will look similar to today far from a possibility based on previous history?

While I'm happy to see anything tied to Axl, something inside me (the stupid part maybe) just sees a reunion being the kick in the ass the motivates Axl. Maybe that familiarity of working with Slash, Duff, and maybe on a small scattered scale Izzy too kicks the creative process into motion and re-energizes him. Even if the 'reunion' is a short term thing, it could be good for all of us as fans.

That line up would for rock for sure no doubt. I used to be all against slash coming back but to be honest if it would make Axl happy at this point in his life, he should do whatever makes him happy. Regardless there will still be haters

As usual, I'm confused.


So whatever "left" means in Tommy's mind had nothing to do with GNR??  It was a "personal situation" that he needed to deal with??   


So what sucky phone carrier does Tommy have the he can't make outgoing calls??  Or maybe does a court order from his "personal situation" prohibit him from making outgoing calls??


If he doesn't want to call Axl or Beta or Fernando, why doesn't he just ask Frank or Richard or Dizzy what they're talking about in interviews referring to 2016 GNR plans?  Or maybe it turns out that Frank, Richard and Dizzy are just talking shit off the top of their heads to amuse themselves at yet another what's going on with GNR question. Axl doesn't seem to mind about whatever Frank, Richard, and Dizzy are saying, true or not, so why doesn't Tommy just do the same thing......... or maybe that's exactly what he's doing  ;)

 

He had some sort of personal situation that he had to go home and deal with, after the shows in Vegas, so he had to walk away to take care of his stuff.  It had nothing to do with GN'R.


I think he's tried.

That April, didn't Duff stand in for Tommy while he was off (with Axl's blessing) tending to his 'Mats obligations?

All the 'Mats stuff was already going on before Vegas and I believe it was just recently that Tommy commented that he closed the door on doing any more 'Mats stuff.

After Vegas everyone went on hiatus.  Axl apparently has no issues with band members doing gigs outside of GNR while GNR is on hiatus and, in Tommy's case, even when GNR is not on hiatus.  Axl apparently doesn't have issues with whatever the other band members say or don't say in interviews.  Tommy had a personal situation to deal with after Vegas so one would think that the GNR hiatus at that time made it easier for Tommy to focus on what he needed to focus on.

I think Tommy is just as confused about what he's saying as I am.  :confused:

 lol @ rumourmill :P Maybe Axl will not tour as GunsnRoses in a long time? How about that?




1: He didn't quit and will consider coming back.
2: A reunion will not happen in this lifetime.






lol why? for comercial sell? What would be the artistic and personal reason for Axl to do it?

What about:

Where do things stand as far as recording new Guns N' Roses music?
We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N' Roses performed a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that ran through early June], we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard.


http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=189



this

Good Points

 :smoking:

I will never forget rio3, Tommy seemed rly comfortable in what he was doing,  I was so psyched.

oh btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2ljai054U <<< Tommy stopped aging when he was 18 ;D

Do you think, if they were currently working on releasing new material, with Tommy's previously recorded contributions, that Tommy would be in the know, just from a business/publishing/legal perspective? 

Axl owns everything afaik.

If we have indeed turned a new page regarding GNR lineups, I agree this would be an incredible mix of musicians.  I just remain hopeful that the additional material from the Chinese era will see the light of day. Wishing Tommy the best if he's moved on to new adventures.

so this seems to be the real end of the "new lineup" and possibly also the end of chances to see some new material out. very sad after 20 years of hopes :-\

Oh, the drama!

Hate to speculate, but..

In my humble opinion, I think there are two things at work here for Tommy Stinson.

For a long time he was the driving force behind the new band (with Axl behind the curtains), he was the guy who took charge, the guy in the room when musicians turned up to record or to get the gig, he was "General Tommy Stinson" who whipped up the rehearsels and pushed people (see Brain interview) both on stage and in writing and recording. Stinson also invested a lot in all that was was New Guns over the years. At the same time, he and Axl naturally became friends yet also went toe to toe several times most likely (see show in Ireland in 2010, the aftermath, shouting contest between Del James and Tommy) due to them being very different personalities. During tours and during the off years.


Second of all; Duff joining for some shows and as a substitute made perfect sense to Stinson (and New Guns) and maybe he is seeing there is something there. For the band, between Axl and Duff, and Tommy's just being honest and straightforward. If so, respect. Plus, Duff's return would mean higher billing and higher billings (plural) in an instant, if they were to tour.

 

This whole situation reminds of Aerosmith in the late 70's and early 80's, where Joe Perry and Brad Whitford's replacements (pun intended...) ultimately said to Steven Tyler and the rest of the band that they should team up with the original players once again. I don't think it's going to be a full-blown reunion, but any line-up of GN'R featuring Slash & Duff is a reunion in my book - and a great one!

If the "General" of the band thinks Axl should reunite the original band...

Then who am I to argue?

The reunion rumor is starting to get some serious legs!

I'm hoping 2016 brings Slash and Axl back together, I would be willing to go anywhere to watch these two perform together again...

And how do you think that's coming along, that process?  Since he said that (overa  year ago, mind you) he's down 3 band members.  Is it really going swimmingly?

I still think a reunion is an incredible longshot.  But what is building GNR Version 4.0?  A piece of cake?

It's not ideal, you might argue.  But you could also argue things haven't been "ideal" in 20 freakin' years.

We've been in full on "take what you can get" mode with this band forever now.  Would this be the same sort of thing? 

We joke about how people try and make this straight line argument where everything that is gone on is just the natural evolution of a band and totally normal. I never bought that, but OK. 

Why would this not be the same thing?

Speculation here, but isn't it possible the album is being finished? Pitman posted a pic from a studio months ago, and recently posted a tweet from Axl's house- it is very clear they are in touch and possibly working on a few things.

It is clear there will be a lineup change due to Ron quitting in SA and DJ recently resigning, but to what extent and who is involved remains to be seen.

Looking forward to an official announcement.

And ultimately, until we get an announcement regarding what the hell is going on, this is all moot speculation
 Somebody wake up Fernando.

I clearly mentioned it was speculation at the beginning of my post, I was not attempting to pass it off as anything else.

Fernando said there would be an announcement in a faw months, why the urgency?

I think that tonight is an important night as far as getting the feel for where things are.  Hollywood Vampires are playing the Roxy.  You know Matt and Duff will be there.  Slash collaborated on the album, if he's in town i'm sure he'll jump up there.  And this is exactly the type of event where Axl would jump on stage and do a cover or two.  This is purely speculation but if indeed they are considering a reunion this is the kind of show that might give that a jump start.  That said, i agree that a full fledged reunion would be a long shot.  I think its more likely that you might see them play some group shows like this than record an album, tour etc.

an official announcement concerning a reunion only makes sense, if every little detail was talked about. tour, record (in which time span), Steven 'xfactor' Adler, old gunners Axls employees? I'd assume duff and slash might want some guarentees concering all these issues.

Only Axl:

- NOT THIS LIFE -

People change minds all the time.  The fact he even talked to Slash after ALLL these years tells you right there he changed his mind not to hate Slash anymore. And I think it's fair to assume from all that we know that's been said and done in the past that he pretty much hated Slash.

All this talk of a hybrid gnr is pretty exciting. Lots of cool posters coming out of the woodwork that I haven't seen much of before. Team that up with what em pointed out about pittman and ax spending time together and its a pretty exciting time to be a fan!

I hope when the band is out in the spotlight again that the general is among them, but even if he's out, I still wont feel compelled to curb my enthusiasm.

Guns would hardly be the first band to get back together after one or more band members said it would never happen.

Nargle and fargle them!? Reminds me of a show that used to scare the shit out of me as a kid called fraggle rock. Creepy underground world and creatures, I never got any rest once I entertained the idea of them actually existing!

You are right, stranger things have happened, but axl did seem pretty convinced he would never play with slash again. I just don't know what to think at this point, axl could use his fortune to create a ten armed musical android and I wouldn't be too surprised.

Yeah, there is so much material that we've have heard almost nothing about it in 20 years. Wake up dude...

Depends which people you talk too.

If you are speaking to me... the answer is YES... a hybrid line up would just be accepting what we can get.. . (but you know that already).

I was willing to accept Axl getting out there.. .touring with his no name troopers and swapping line ups for a bit... whilst gritting my teeth and wishing for Slash/Duff.. Izzy matt or steven to come back one day... but i smiled.. bought my ticket... and yes i actually had a good time. However... i never considered any natural evolution of guns was actually taking place because we have one album in 20 years.. multiple line up changes and years of inactivity in between all this... it wasnt like axl was delivering album after album every year.. or every second year.. or every 5 years even... its just been one long wait for not very much... thats life... ive got one.. and it doesnt affect my day to day existance.. but as a fan... and this is my opinion.. there has been no natural evolution.

Now... if you talk to others... they will say im wrong. Fair enough... everyone is entitled to an opinion... and with Guns.. everyones got one.

But i think we have reached a point (just my opinion).. that Axl and guns have reached where the general public (the ones who still care).. 90% of them would say... we want the REAL guns and roses to come back.. finish with a tour and end it on the highest possible note. Now if Axl puts a hybrid line up together and its him/duff and slash from the originals.. i suppose for a lot of people that would be good enough.. im a romantic.. and id like to see the full set. Thats just me... i think Axl owes it to himself.. and the fans personally to go out on top in the best possible way. If he did a hybrid line up.. that wouldnt be going out on top as well as finishing with the guys he started with.

So yes... it would just be another case of.. look.. we will take what we can get... ive even said it myself.. if Axl is finished.. and doesnt want to do this anymore.. could he please release some pro shot footage of the shows he did during the UYI tour... for me.. that would be worth more than another round of touring in places i cant get too with players i dont give a shit about.

but thats just me.

I would sort of agree with what you are saying. I have watched pretty much every iteration of this band (minus Tracii Guns)... I have enjoyed every line up, some more than others, but I have never walked out of an club, theater, pavilion, arena, or stadium asking 'WTF was that??"

HOWEVER, if you replaced any 'modern' member with a single 'classic' member I would be a little happier. I think that happiness level increased the closer we get to an AFD/UYI lineup. I am happy with anything in-between but I would be lying if I didn't say I have a bias towards the version I fell in love with.

well said mate.

This is precisely my opinion too which i've copped dogs abuse for. There has been some very good guys come in and keep the band going and they deserve respect for what they've contributed in terms of entertaining the fans over the years and being a very good touring band.

But Axl is closer to the end now then the start... and the next big move is probably his last IMO.. and therefore the reunion with the originals doesnt have a lot of time left to happen.. if its going to happen. Its not 1999 or 2002 anymore where axl has years and years to decide.. that time has passed.

I dont think we will get a full reunion.. i think we will get a hybrid one.. (again, just an opinion, not stating facts lol.. id hate to be accused of that)..  ;)

Id still pay my way and buy a ticket to see slash and duff on stage with axl again if thats the closest we get to a reunion, dont get me wrong.. but it wouldnt quite be complete in my eyes.  :)

 

I think that tonight is an important night as far as getting the feel for where things are.  Hollywood Vampires are playing the Roxy.  You know Matt and Duff will be there.  Slash collaborated on the album, if he's in town i'm sure he'll jump up there.  And this is exactly the type of event where Axl would jump on stage and do a cover or two.  This is purely speculation but if indeed they are considering a reunion this is the kind of show that might give that a jump start.  That said, i agree that a full fledged reunion would be a long shot.  I think its more likely that you might see them play some group shows like this than record an album, tour etc.
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As awesome as that would be, I can't imagine the first time that those 2 shared a stage after all this time would be a show at the Roxy.  Now, hanging out at the show but not playing could maybe work to just tease everybody more and build hype if they want to do that.

Tommy's just saying he had a good time with Westerberg doing the old songs and thinks Axl, Slash and Duff would have a good time as well.

But "it's a studio, it says it on the door! It's official studio!" ;)  (Replace 'studio' with 'Guns n Roses)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5yB8flNPOVI/VUEuMT-np4I/AAAAAAAABW0/4SmpDJVy3FQ/s1600/Tribute_Tenacious_D_2.jpg)

OK...I can stand for a lot of things..but Fraggle Rock bashing? NO WAY!! :)

I loved (well, love..I still watch the old shows with my kids) Fraggle Rock. It was awesome!  I can't imagine finding it creepy in any way.....

Its becoming clearer now that something is happening,the new band is all but done and somewhere in the murky future i see  press conferance and a table,a top hat and a bandana or two..

Utmost respect to Tommy not just for this,but everything in the last 17 years but hey he has his own stuff and at the end of the day that,not a band is what matters.

As awesome as that would be, I can't imagine the first time that those 2 shared a stage after all this time would be a show at the Roxy.  Now, hanging out at the show but not playing could maybe work to just tease everybody more and build hype if they want to do that.
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They already played together (Duff and Slash) recently at a charity event:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/slash-duff-mckagan-reunite/

They already played together (Duff and Slash) recently at a charity event:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/slash-duff-mckagan-reunite/
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Sorry, pilferk, I wasn't very clear in my post.  I was talking about Axl and Slash, not Duff and Slash. 

Re: Fraggle Rock - I have very vague memories of seeing this as a very young child - certainly didn't have that in mind when I made my profile!

Gotcha!

In regards to what Tommy said about wanting a GNR reunion, I hope he knows his misconceptions and fantasies along with his misguided sense of entitlement don't dictate Axl's actions.

haha well done .. made me laugh anyway

I loved me some Fraggle Rock as well.

But looking back.  Where they not kinda bullies?   They would eat those poor Dozzers bridges and roads all the time!!!   Mean muppets haha

Hahahaha

Nice.

Haha...nice one, indeed.  He should wait for an official announcement.

Maynard from Tool on entitlement issues as well.....apparently him and Axl met up in Arizona.  :hihi:


"And that's what life is, assholes! It's change, it's chaos ? it's not what you expect and what you think you deserve. Your entitlement isn't relevant at the Grand Canyon. It just isn't. "

So, last question... what's up with the new Tool record?
I write lyrics and melodies to music. If I don't have music, I can't.



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I am curious, can the original lin up play cd stuff? If the original members reunited, would they have to drop the cd stuff or would they keep playing some of it?

Haha! I was proba ly much younger than you when I saw it! It made me paranoid about places that I couldn't see. I simply could not handle the idea of worlds within worlds at that age.

I don't see why not.  Duff seemed to handled the CD songs last year.  The CD songs that are the farthest from the classic GnR sound (Schacklers, Riad, ITW) they haven't played live in a while.  Others, like CD, TWAT, TIL, and Better I think they could play with ease. 

I agree.  If you listen to the entire interview he says reuniting with The Replacements was very emotional for him, and a great experience.

"There is a reward that comes with that I had that with the Mats stuff...it's a good thing, it's a good thing to do once in a while."

We used to get high and watch Fraggle Rock, freaky show- almost as bad as Sid and Marty Kroft program Reruns like H.R. Puffinstuff.

To me it just confirms the band is on a hiatus, like Ashba said a few months ago, before quitting. The band is clearly inactive since July 2014, so the band members quit or moved on to do their stuff. First time he said he didn't quit or walk away. Now he says he had to walk away from it. Whatever that means for him.

I still don't see how this leads to any kind of reunion. There is just no activity, like it was the case between 2003 and 2005 for instance, or 1995 to 1998 for that matter. To me we're just back ten years ago. I really don't see Slash reuniting with Axl. He has his gig, he seems pretty happy with it and I don't see him walking away from this.

As for Tommy, I really liked his attitude and what he brought (brings?) to the band so if he really "walked away", to me that's not a good thing.

I would doubt it.

Some sort of reunion tour would have people coming out of the woodwork.  But to see Slash play 'November Rain'.  Not 'Shackler's Revenge'.

couldnt have said it better.the fact that tommy said "walked away" for the first time since 98 makes me a bit concerned as well.

Tommy is not more out of the band than anyone else. With the exception of DJ and BBF.  lol @ this




 It wasn't a problem releasing greatest hits.



Ok so now Axl didn't kick Tommy (for a reunion) but he left the band, albeit stating he didn't quit and that he will consider joining if the modern line-up gets back on the road? And due to all this Axl is forced to accept a reunion just so he can be popular again with his band?  Motivations like artistic integrity and comfort-zones are apprantly not an issue, Axl is driven purely by comercial intrest. Did I get it right?



What exactly is the problem? Traci got replaced by Slash. Steven got replaced by Matt. Izzy got replaced by Gilby. Duff replaced by Tommy. Slash replaced by Buckethead. Matt replaced by Josh Freeze who again got replaced by Brain who again got replaced by Frank Ferrer. Paul Tobias by Richard Fortus. Buckethead replaced by Bumblefoot. Robin Finck Replaced by DjAshba. Why is getting new guitarplayers (for a possible tour) suddenly an issue?

negativity and reunionism, tsk tsk

Axl doesn't seem to change nor to give a damn about peer-pressure. Cause he knows the individual is above the rest. :yes:

a new lineup with Duff is definitly a  : ok: for me.

 Read it again. He said he didn't quit and that they all walked away and that he 'of course' (suggests positive) will think about coming back if the modern line-up gets back together.

First ask... can we please drop the Traci, Ole, and Rob Gardner talk... While yes they were in Hollywood Rose and LA Guns for a few years together, depending on the timeline you piece together from interviews and articles they were in Guns N' Roses for under 3 months and may have played 2 or 3 shows under that name... Axl and Izzy formed the band in March 1985 and Slash, Steven, and Duff were all in and touring by June 1985.

Second, look at what you are saying:
Slash-->Robin-->DJ-->?
Izzy-->Gilby-->Tobias-->Richard
Duff-->Tommy (?)-->
Steven-->Matt-->Josh-->Brain-->Frank
empty-->Bucket-->Ron-->?
Axl...

Axl has replaced everyone in the band at least 3 times (depending on the Tommy endgame)... Short of returning to 1987, 1992, 2002, 2006, or some combination of them I don't think you can call a musical act that is on it's 3rd or 4th generation at every position anything but a solo project. I am not even almost saying name change... but I am saying you can no longer call it a band, it is a solo project with a hired touring band. I think a reunion (and I don't mean Slash is a requirement) is needed if you want to hang on to the idea that this is a 'band'.

Even Axl, Robin, Richard, Duff, Frank would be a huge step in the right direction.

Axl, Random Guitar, Random Guitar, Richard, Random Bass, and Frank is a failure.

You just called it a band there! :P

Taake, Burzum, NIN and The Prodigy is similar. Hanzel und Gretyl even tours as just two guys and plays live over a backingtrack. Anything goes.

First off you know what I mean... A solo act needs a touring band to play material with multiple instruments, but that doesn't make it a 'band'...

3 of the 5 you named I have never heard of... I'm assuming (knowing a little bit about you from this board in the past) this is Norwegian Viking Metal or something? Not exactly the biggest band in the world at any time... GNR were...

NIN is Trent Reznor... it's a solo project with people who play parts live for him... nothing more. If that's what Axl wants, cool... but it isn't a band.

You're romantic (not that there is anything wrong w it!), not factual (imo) could even say pedantic but i wont.

Taake and Burzum is Black Metal.
Hanzel und gretyl is industrual metal
The Prodigy is electronic music merged with rock-elements

They are mostly like 'Axl-band'. More or less. 

I know Prodigy which is why I said 3 of 5... math is our friend... I just wouldn't compare them in anyway to Guns N Roses on any level.

Great. The old "it's not a band" discussion.

Because people quit and were replaced, it stopped being a band?

The Foo Fighters isn't a band? The Ramones weren't a band?
Bon Jovi (yuck) isn't a band?


Compare it to a family, team or a company. People divorce, get new partners but it doesn't mean they're not a family.... Same with teams and companies.




/jarmo

u american?

 I actually think Maxim (the prodigy) should be on same list as Axl, Jim, Freddie, Steven Tyler etc, but he is not rly in the same genre, just league.


And I took the bait...

Laughable... I refuse for anyone outside of a very small circle to tell me anything that The Prodigy has done outside of Firestarter and Smack My Bitch Up back in 1996 (and those are rubbish) This is like the Bucket argument... it may have a small cult following, but not Axl, Freddie, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, etc... I'd put Kid Rock in that list before Maxim

I'm not trying to present it as a negative, but at what point does one guy and a bunch of very replaceable fill ins become a solo act. I don't think this has to be a label that 'scars'.

As far as Foo Fighters, they started as Dave Grohl and fill ins, but the fill ins have been there now and contribute material since 1999.

Axl = Ihsahn

I think the "it's not a band" regurgitation to be negative, old, and stale. It definitely is a band by any definition.


band
noun
noun: band; plural noun: bands
1.
a group of people who have a common interest or purpose.
2.
a small group of musicians and vocalists who play pop, jazz, or rock music.

I'm with you on this, FYI.

I've just stopped arguing with them about it because it's clear that, in their language, "band" means something other than what it means in English.

And when asked for a better definition, I get a narrow definition that's obviously tailored to meet a specific agenda...which does not equate to the actual word "band".

So I've given up.  It's just not worth my time.

It all depends on the act.

Sometimes a solo act has a backing band, and they really have no input on anything.
Other times the backing band is an actual band that's playing with a singer.

With GN'R, the guys in the band did contribute to the albums and live shows in ways most backing bands probably wouldn't.

This whole argument is often used by people who have some kind of "beef" with Axl.




So you're saying it became a band because they were there long enough and wrote material. Is there a rule book? ;)



/jarmo

Albums as in plural? :D

Also Bumble didnt write anything, he just added his part to existing songs. And Ashba didnt do shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHQn701zrs thats our boy live :peace:


I think he is underated. Axl is AFD, RP is the 70's, Freddie is that Wembley-gig equally as much as Maxim is 1996.

Buckethead had a small cult following, now he is rated as amongst the worlds greatests guitarplayers. The worlds greatests. 

The Foo Fighters reference is the point I'm making... yes they were there long enough and contributed material. IF Axl adds 2 new (never before in a GnR lineup) guitar players, and Tommy is in fact gone for what ever reason. We are 'generations' removed from anyone (except for Reed and Pitman) who has contributed material that anyone outside Axl's inner circle (and maybe a few random Portuguese hoarders) has heard. That to me screams Solo act and touring band (which isn't a bad thing).

Any of the following coming back into the fold would help 'legitimize' (in my sad mind) the label 'BAND':

Tommy
Robin
Huge (not happening)
Bucket (hope it doesn't happen)
Izzy
Duff
Slash

Anything from the 87-88. 91-93, 01-02, 06-07 era is good... A nearly brand new 15-16 lineup with absolutely no tie to any official release seems like a giant leap backwards to me.


**EDIT** I keep leaving out Richard which upsets me because he is my favorite Modern lineup member...

Can be disaponting to be a gnr-fan at times yeah

Granted they are bigger in Europe than they ever were in the US (which is similar to me just not getting Robbie Williams, because he sort of existed here for like 9 months in 2001ish)... BUT I have seen them (The Prodigy) perform live and honestly Maxim isn't even who I thought he was, I thought you were talking about Keith Flint... I wouldn't even consider Maxim a front man that you would compare to Axl, Tyler, Plant, etc... I would more closely compare him to Flava Flav and Keith to Chuck D.

If you and I own a table building company, and we build tables together...by hand...and then you leave the company...does that mean I built those tables alone?

No, of course not.  

Future tables...I might build alone, or with someone else...but your leaving doesn't change the fact that we built those initial tables together.  

And when I sell those tables we made, eventually, when I choose to, I'm still not the sole creator of those tables. Am I?

And, until I actually MAKE tables on my own, with nobody else's input...I'm not a "solo table maker".  Because it's just as likely I take on a new partner, or partners, to help me create tables. They might even help me modify some of the existing tables to make them different/better (which still doesn't remove your contribution to the creative process).

Also, to address the "BBF/DJ did nothing" stuff.  We don't know that.  We have comments from both people saying otherwise.  They could very well have contributed to future material, or not.  We can't really assume either way.

GnR is "in flux" right now, from what we know.  That doesn't mean they're not a band. It just means we don't know what form that band is going to take as we go forward.

so you're basically saying Bumble didn't write his own parts?

complete nonsense.

Touring band? Band.

Seriously. This is getting ridiculous.

When somebody quits a band, a team or a company, doesn't mean those things cease to exist.




/jarmo

And where would one find Bumble's writing credits?

We would never have these fights if everybody just came out and acknowledged that they do not care who plays the parts..if Axl is singing.. then its a BAND and it's called Guns N Roses.

I'm getting antsy... Lets go Axl !

Slash, Duff, Richard, Dizzy , Pick ur favorite drummer and have Izzy and Steven come out for an encore once in a while ...

and release the vault

Everybody wins!

If a family completely changes members, but keeps the same legal name, is it still the same family?
If a man divorces his wife and abandons his kids, and moves in with another woman and her kids and marries her, the family will have the same last name, but is it the same family? Or a different family which has the same name?

What would you say separates a band from a solo project?

Do they celebrate
Holidays as family?
Share the same last name?

Are restaurant seats
Reserved under their last name?
Then they're family.

Not the same version,
But family nonetheless
And same name applies.

Splash

/Mike

No, not the SAME family.....but indeed still a family.  GNR isn't the same band, but STILL a band.

Exactly- definitely a band. Can't believe some choose to try and debate this fact.

first time I heard the "GNR isn't the same band" it was in 1992 after the Vincennes
show here in Paris from a guy who saw them live some years before.

I suppose there will always that kind of guy.

Yeah.

Isn't it exciting?

We can do this again in a few weeks!  :D ;)





/jarmo

It hasn't been a band since Duff left. Sorry, but I consider this to be an Axl Rose solo project until the reunion happens. Considering this as an Axl Rose solo project is fine.   

Tommy and Chris have been in the band since 1998, which is 17 years. Richard has been in the band since 2002, which is 13 years. Frank has been in the band since 2006, which is 9 years. Guys have been around for a while.

your favorite GNR song must be Patience...  :hihi:

No... of course nothing changes what was created. Nothing changes or removes 1985-1990, 1991, 1992-1993, 1998-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2014 from the equation...

BUT once everyone from those periods is gone from the band (Dizzy and Pittman kind of hide in the shadows so I am sort of glazing over them admittedly), and now you are just touring on what others have done without releasing new material, what separates 'Band' from solo act with 'hired touring musicians' (want to be careful not to say band there)?

I reject the idea that because DJ 'added' to the show by playing a guitar solo, that he was a contributing member until I see a new track with his writing credit. I loved Gilby when he was in the band, but I wouldn't say he was a contributing member because played 'Wild Horses' from 1992-1993.

The table example I don't think works... If John and Paul make tables as part of John and Paul Furniture, then John leaves, but Paul buys the business trademark. You can never take away from the history that John and Paul created... the tables they designed and may continue to sell will always be THEIR legacy. However if Paul deigns a new table with say three leaves instead of two, then off shores the production and packaging of the new table, I wouldn't say that the off shore company who is just assembling and packaging it could be considered partners at the level of John and Paul... If Paul decided to hire a new designer who collaborated on a new design, then I would agree (like Tommy, Robin, and Bucket) that they would be considered partners.

Does any of this discredit Paul and or the table assembly company off shore... no... but it does mean that it is not a partnership... which again doesn't mean that the assembly company isn't the best in the business or pour their heart into making sure the packaging of that table looks perfect when it shows up in your kitchen or dining room.

**EDIT** I am forever going to see GnR as a table now... And where this is HTGTH and Jarmo is where he is why not make that above example IKEA.

I'm not saying they didn't do anything, they may have done something amazing that we haven't seen/heard yet. Which is why the point I am trying to make is that with them gone, and Tommy in a sort of state of Limbo right now... If you replace all 3 with people who have never been in a GNR line up prior, that is where you now have Axl and a bunch of people who absolutely have no contributions... That specific point in time is where I wonder if you have to start calling it a solo act.

This is boring.

They played shows together for years. It's a band. It doesn't operate as one guy telling everybody else what to play, where to stand, what to wear and so on.

You're desperate to make up rules as you go along to fit whatever you believe in, "that's a band because those guy released an album, but this isn't because that guy quit before they released anything".
It's boring.


I also love your idea of using writing credits as some kind of measurement whether or not somebody contributes. Steven Adler played drums. Nobody (?) here would question his contribution to the GN'R history. I'm sure you could make the argument that his contribution was minimal, just using your own logic. The same is true for anybody who doesn't have their name as a song writer. I'm not talking about publishing credits here....

So be careful what kind of "rules" you use because they can be used against you. ;)

Everybody who's been in the band was there for a reason and things wouldn't have been the same without them.



/jarmo

 So far according to Tommy they all left in Vegas. Why would Tommy lie? Even if it is a lie, why nobody has denied? For me there is no limbo regarding Tommy. He said he played his last show in Vegas and he had to walked away.

As of today, at this very moment, Tommy left and all the others left as well.

I'm not saying all members need to have writing credits... We know Steve, Gilby, DJ (for now) and a few others haven't contributed material... which is why my point above is that from 1985 until 2014 I would fit all lineups of GNR into my bastardized definition of a band... HOWEVER when they are all gone, and it is truly just Axl and a hiring set of backing musicians who have contributed nothing (but toured like brothers) I'm wondering if that is where you need to consider the solo act tag.

We are talking very recently about having to replace BBF, DJ, and possibly (who know) Tommy. Anyone who has had any contribution on released or even material played live is pretty much gone.
 
This topic normally is made to discredit NuGnr, modern line up, whatever you want to call it... That's not what I'm trying to do here. I'm asking at what point in the future do you apply that tag?

Also as far as DJ... If a tree falls in the forest and you weren't there did it make a sound? I don't care if he wrote a million songs, I don't care when he quit... if they never get released, what did he really do? If they do get released, I don't think his status as a member affects what he gave us as fans. Bucket wasn't here when CD hit, but we all know and appreciate (some more than others) what he helped give us.

When is it a solo act? When Axl says so.

If Axl went solo, and went on tour billed as Axl Rose only, with no mention of anybody else. Then you could start posting about it being a solo act...
But, if it was billed as the Axl Rose Band, then....

Just because a band has a person who's more recognized, and has written more songs, than the other members, doesn't mean it's a solo act.


/jarmo

Honestly, why does anyone care what its called?  You don't like Axl playing without Slash, all good, move on with you life.  You're ok without Slash, all good, enjoy the music because nothing else matters.

I can respect that opinion...

I think the prospect of guitarists #10 and #11 in the history of this band worries me a little.

1. Izzy 2. Slash 3. Gilby 4. Paul 5. Robin 6. Bucket 7. Richard 8. Ron 9. DJ 10. ? 11. ?

I get that Axl and Axl only has say in what something is called, named, or labeled... but at some point the history and legacy of this band meant something for you to have created, improved, and maintained this site for nearly 2 decades. I also know you have had 'unique' access to all members of the band since the mid 2000 time frame so your relationship and view of these line up iterations is different than mine (which I can respect) but at some point the sheer number of guitar players becomes a Spinal Tap Drummer like parody. I don't want to come off like a purely 'original' GnR reunionist, but I do feel like the band NEEDS Robin or Slash in the lead spot, and it NEEDS Tommy or Duff on bass. To fully reshuffle the deck (while it is 100% Axl's prerogative to decide) hurts the legacy of this band which in the 90's was on target to be continually spoken about in the same breath as The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, and Aerosmith... now we are crossing our fingers and driving traffic to websites hoping the beat Motley Crue in a who's better live March Madness rip-off.

I get that this can be taken as hating... but it is the polar opposite. I get that it is my own selfish feelings (and totally irrational), but I want more for them (Axl).

A band to me would be a partnership. My understanding is there's no partnership. Everyone is under contract.

A band does not require a partnership- see the definition? GNR is a band, period. This is a stupid non-argument imo.

[band]
noun
1.
a company of persons or, sometimes, animals or things, joined, acting, or functioning together; aggregation; party; troop.

2.
Music.
a group of instrumentalists playing music of a specialized type.

"In popular music, a side project is a project undertaken by one or more people already known for their involvement in another band. It can also be an artist or a band temporarily switching to a different style.
Side project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_projectWikipedia"

Usually these projects emphasize a different aspect of that person's or that band's musical interests that they feel they cannot explore within the boundaries established by their main project. Side projects can later become full-time endeavours, but should not be confused with quitting a band for a solo career or another band. Peter Hartlaub of San Francisco Chronicle called the solo side project "the biggest longshot bet in mainstream music".[1]

A solo album, in popular music, is an album headlined by a current or former member of a band. A solo album may feature simply one person performing all instruments, but typically features the work of other collaborators; rather, it may be made with different collaborators than the artist is usually associated, though just how different that group is varies widely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_album

"I didn't really know what else to do after Axl sent a letter on August 31, 1995, saying that he was leaving the band and taking the name with him under the terms of the new contract. After that we tried to put it back together." (Slash, Autobiography)

"I?d left and formed a new partnership, which was only an effort to salvage Guns not steal it." (Axl, MyGNR, 12/14/08)

"This will serve as notice [that] effective [...] Decemeber 30th 1995, I will withdraw from the partnership. [...] I intend to use the name 'Guns N' Roses' in connection with a new group which I will form." (Slash & Duff v. Axl lawsuit document, 2004)

"The perception I have of what Axl's doing at the moment is that he's basically making a solo album but retaining the GN'R name so that he can get at the major contractual advance that's waiting at Geffen for a new Guns N' Roses-titled record. I can't give you the exact figure but I will tell you it's in the multi-million-dollar range. This renegotiation was effected just before I was fired." (Alan Niven, Icon Magazine, 10/97)

I agree with Coma. Its not all hating. Its because we love the band that we want what is best for them. So sometimes constructive criticism might be beneficial.

are they a band... yes they are.
are they typical; no they are not.

her's a few bands with similar situation, that might help us "diagnose" GNR, since we're to much personally involved with it.

1) NIN, which is still considered 1 man band + touring band

2) Depeche Mode is strange also.
Martin Gore writes all the songs and I guess runs the show
But still they are viewed as a band despite his predominance.

3) Smashing Pumpkins (Billy replaced all band members)
and is similar to GNR.

so objectively: if those are considered bands... so is GNR.
imo new band is a band. a band that could function and produce more; but a band nonetheless.

The problem is how many fans actually want what is best for GNR, and not just best for them personally-as a fan. GNRs are well able to decide what is in their best interest without any "constructive criticism" unsolicited amateur advice.

"The perception I have of what Axl's doing at the moment is that he's basically making a solo album but retaining the GN'R name so that he can get at the major contractual advance that's waiting at Geffen for a new Guns N' Roses-titled record. I can't give you the exact figure but I will tell you it's in the multi-million-dollar range. This renegotiation was effected just before I was fired." (Alan Niven, Icon Magazine, 10/97)

This.

Axl's solo band using the name through legal force.

You think anyone with an IQ over 15 is gonna believe its GNR after 96?........ (you know how the rest goes... :smoking:)

So how does any body square this circle.  The beatles, post Pete Best , remained unchanged until they split for good with the Let it Be Album, now can anybody seriously say that they were the same band as the one that released Please, please me? Same members, different agenda, different priorities, same fans.  No matter how you dress it up, the '63 group bares no comparison to the one on the edge of the 70's. Times change, as do fashions, as do social trends and attitudes.

 This "Gn'R" aren't a band BS is what it is to any one individual, there are no gauges that can measure this like its a distance, a weight or a  colour, its an opinion..... Get a life peeps, some will roll with your views and others won't. Simple as.....

No.

By the dictionary definition GNR is a band, period. Nobody needs to 'get a life'  ::)

Band
noun
A band is defined as a group of people working together, particularly in the field of music.

It is GNR whether you like it or not, you aren't entitled to your own facts.

It is not a solo act, It's Guns N' Roses.

So do you believe that any of the guys besides Axl have any say in the following:
-When and where they as GN'R tour
-When any albums(s) are to be released
-What parts they are to play on the album(s)

Do any of them have any legal say in what goes on with 'Guns N' Roses'? Do any of them besides Axl take part in any major decisions? Can any of them be fired at will by Axl, and Axl alone at any time? Who decides who is a member of 'Guns N' Roses' or not besides Axl and Team Brazil?

Do you think in the Rolling Stones, Mick tells Keith "We're going to play at this stadium on this date and you're going to play this and that song" and that's how it goes?

If John Lennon quit The Beatles in 1969, George Harrison quit in 1970, and Ringo was fired in 1971 and Paul got legal ownership of The Beatles name and decided to tour with Mick Taylor, Peter Greene and Keith Moon as The Beatles, would it still have been The Beatles to you?

That can be seen as ''your opinion''. After just one album of released material. in more than 20 years I could argue, that they have a hard time deciding what is in their best interest, and I don't think voicing my opinion on that is really ''hating''.  Especially when Axl, and other members have said that there would be more material, I think he told Kurt Loder on the VMA's tha they planned to released  Chidem I, II and III with a 1 year gap between them, or so,  that never happened.  Maybe Chidem II is right around the corner, but if it comes out in 2016, its 8 years after the first one. Chidem III in 2024 ? That just sounds wrong, and no, it doesnt sound like it would be in their best interest, and saying such things, that I find obvious is not amateur advice. Its more like common sense in plain observation.

Plans change and life happens, that's a fact. There is no hard and fast rule about how often an artist releases albums.

GNR is more than capable of making decisions for GNR- you can decide to accept that or choose to whine about it on a message board- makes no difference in the final outcome.

Any say?

Just because Axl is the leader doesn't mean he won't listen to anybody else's opinion(s).
Don't be silly.




You think Keith says no? Do you really think he is the one who handles all the business in that band? Of course not.

So wait, you're talking about two individuals here. So that makes them a band? Two people make a band?

Does the bass player have a say in any of this? ;)




/jarmo

The bass player doesn't have a say anymore. 

But the drummer does

Let's go Charlie!

Im not whining. Im just observing.

Cool, don't overlook the fact that there was a live DVD-Blu-ray released last year  :-*

Gilby is no more relevant than Richard.  If we are picking and choosing, Izzy would be #1; however, Fortus would be 2.

In my opinion Richards playing is way better than Gilbys and he has way more energy and presence on stage.

Studio-band vs liveband. :P


?rjan Stedjeberg (HOEST) in Taake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taake#Past_members) does. Legally it is not a solo-act and it is also socially recognised as band.

Obviously you're entitled to define a band however you want, but whats the point? Bashing the current gnr (axl's ip) and his management team brazil?



Is a reunited GNR (under same circumstances) a more 'real band'?

The only difference between that and youtube is the quality. And I even think ROckAm 2006 is a far better performance from the band.

Super, opinions vary.

 I was talking about Appetite 4 Democracy in the context of being a new DVD/Blu-ray release just last year.

Emily, is there anything Axl Rose has done since 1996 that you've disagreed with?
Is there anything Axl Rose could ever conceivably do wrong in your book?
Do you really care who he has in his group, honestly? Why say you like "Guns N' Roses", when Guns N' Roses at this point is just who Axl arbitarily decides is under contract. Why not just say 'I love Axl Rose'? I've never seen anything from you demonstrating any real love for the pre-1996 Guns N' Roses.

Don't forget Tracii Guns!

You are very wrong, as usual- the first time I saw GNR it was very pre-1996 and that lineup was special, but I'm not so closed-minded to discount the other lineups- I have seen many, many great GNR shows over the years.

Guess I'm cognizant of the fact that unsolicited amateur advice isn't particularly helpful or needed and GNR is better able to decide what is best for GNR rather than some internet nerdy emo obsessed with hairlines.

I'm a positive, supportive fan- why is that a bad thing? That is why I post on a fan forum.

Still fighting the good fight i see.  :D

Not a fight, it's a fact.

If you say so Emily. If you say so.  :)

It isn't simply because I say so, It is a fact that isn't open for debate.

It is GNR whether you like it, or whether you don't -that is non-negotiable.

He was in Guns N Roses for less than 3 months... I will forget him. If you piece together info from articles etc... be played 2 or 3 shows in that timeframe. I think Fred Coury and Don Henley have played as many shows. Should they be counted as members?

Who cares if it was or wasn't the Beatles to ME.  If they were still called the Beatles, then they would be the Beatles!  100 years into the future, The Beatles would be remembered for EVERYTHING they put out, regardless of who was in the band.

100 years from now, the GNR catalogue will have Chinese Democracy in it.

Solo Album Of AXL Sound Very Good:

- Axl In Piano
- Axl In Lyrics
- Axl In Vocals
- Axl In Mixing
- Axl In Drums
- Axl In Chorus
- Axl In Guitars
- Axl In Contracts
- Axl In Production
- Axl In Remastered
- Axl In Management
- Axl In Marketing & Promotion
- Axl In Etc, Etc Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc

 Good Guys Thought

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Wow, when I saw GNR on 6/6/14 and 6/7/14 in Vegas I had no idea that it  would be the last shows from that lineup. I remember at the end Axl thanked everyone for coming out and said "maybe we'll see some of you later in the year." Instead, the band implodes. Those were great shows and I am glad I went, but at the time I had no idea that they would become historical markers. I am still trying to get my head around all of this. I think it means it will be years before we see anything from GNR.3.

you're lucky you got to see the 6-6-14 show....hands down the best setlist of the entire Chinese Democracy era imo.  :beer:

I think no matter who is on guitar... the next time there is a Guns N Roses concert..... I think it would be very surprising if it was anybody other than Duff Mckagan is on bass.

Dj's announcement was stunning to me...

We all suspected it was coming for Ron... but that was shocking... with all of his outward optimism about the future of Guns N Roses...to cement his departure...

Something must have changed his tune.

DJ announcing his ambitious world-tour plans with Sixx: AM sort of softened the blow for his eventual departure, but it was surprising, especially the immediacy of it.  Something definitely did change.  Tommy leaving was a big surprise, too.

True... yes we knew he was going on tour for a while...but stamping his end with GNR the way he did... he must have thought there was nothing for him to come back to when his stuff was over no?

I am not so sure Tommy is officially gone like Ron and DJ....If Axl releases the rest of Chinese, he may go back to Tommy. Why waste Duff on a half ass reunion, when you can save him for the real deal? I don't think it makes much sense. Keep the eras separate...just my two.

Reading across the far corners of the internet...

I think people "think" Axl just might prefer to have Duff back and that he might be a little miffed that Tommy ran off for a portion of the tour. or just doesn't feel the same loyalty to Tommy following that .

I know....but things can change in Axl's world at any given moment!  :hihi:

Sort of reminds me of when you see the animals start to scurry when a natural disaster is coming.

It certainly seems like they got wind of something that didn't include them.

I think he was really, really hopeful that the next Guns N' Roses album would feature him heavily as lead guitarist.   I mean, dude wrote 10 full songs for Axl, all of which will likely never see the light of day.  That's gotta be rough for a musician.  Slash sure didn't take it well in 1994 when his material for the next Guns album was more or less rejected. 

Unlike the others, DJ has a somewhat prolific gig with Sixx AM. Why dick around waiting for Axl to muster up the confidence put out material you had nothing to do with, and a management team who seemingly has little to no interest in helping making said album happen? Especially when you can be on the road and writing for Sixx AM with no other obligations looming. 

I'm sure once the writing was on the wall, it was an easy decision for DJ.

Personally, I was never a fan of DJ, and found his over the top "professional wrestler" onstage persona to be pretty annoying and embarrassing. Maybe Sixx AM fans will be glad to have him back full time.  I sure wouldnt know.  If TB & Axl ever gets their act together and makes the new album a reality, I will not at all begrudge DJ not appearing on it, if that ends up being the case.

that's for sure a personal camouflet

When Duff Rejoined and played all those shows... I had a feeling. Then Del wishing Slash Happy Birthday......... Everyone leaving...

Wow a blast from the past ... Welcome back.

I never thought a reunion with Slash was possible, but as of today I think there's a fifty fifty shot we see it in the future , probably not real soon ... But in a few years..

Didn't Richard say that the next album would feature Slash-era songs?

Not directly.

He said there exist songs that goes back to when Slash worked on them. I don't think he mentioned whether or not those songs would be on the next (or any) record.

The truth is they sound amazing with either lineup. Doesn't really matter in my own opinion.

you're not being objective enough! ;)

That's true, I can't really say "the truth" I hope whatever is going to happen, happens... And I hope it turns out well. So excited for next year for whatever may happen.

me too! :beer:

Im just pulling your leg! I like seeing comments like yours actually. Im excited too! Where are you Axl? Will we hear from you soon? I hope so! I want to see what that voice sounds like these days. Will he have a new image? Will we hear new music? The possibilities are awesome.