Here Today... Gone To Hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLe7GwvP2CE

"There's newer stuff as well"

Dizzy saying what others have said. There goes that old "they haven't done anything since 2006" theory...




/jarmo

no real hard hitting questions about the "future" just stuff we already know

plus - with reunion questions nothing new and Dizzy sort of dodged it with Duff and Izzy.

still cool to see the Diz Man out there though

Great! Thanks for sharing!
'Newer Stuff' - guess that will throw a wrench in a few people's preferred narratives   : ok:

To be fair I don't think anyone ever said there wasn't 'newer' stuff, just that there has never been any information on when it might see the light of day.  What I would have asked as a follow up is 'ok so there is newer stuff, but has Axl actively worked on any of this newer stuff?'  No offense to the guys in the current band, but I want to hear what Axl has done with the songs not them. 

Cool vid, I wish he could say more in detail, but good nonetheless.

You are correct in there hasn't been any announcement on a new release-- yet.

I don't see how your inquiry could effectively be answered without going into specifics, which he may have preferred not to mention at this time.

What I am saying is I really don't care if the new guys have been working on their own songs for GNR.  For example when DJ said that he had some songs he was saving for GNR I didn't even blink.  I want to know if Axl has given any creative output.  Frank and Richard can write all the songs they want, but until Axl gets involved I am not even the least bit interested.  I would never buy an album from the GNR of today minus Axl. 

Your loss, the guys are great songwriters. Their solo albums are better than anything the other ex-guns members have done since they left the band.

I think this is fair.

At the end of the day, where did any of that happy talk from DJ lead?  To him right out of the band.

Perhaps.

But its Axl Rose that is keeping most of us in this game.  Not the songwriting prowess of DJ or Richard.

Sucks for you as well then.  ::)

Is there a timeline for a new Guns N' Roses album?

With GN'R timelines really don't apply.

We're looking at next year, hopefully. There's nothing definite that I can report at this time.

There are reports of hundreds of GN'R songs in various stages of composition. Is there anything you can tell us about the direction of that music?

All the stuff on Chinese Democracy, when that was recorded an created.  It's all from that same period of time. Um, and there's newer stuff as well.

Haha don't worry my friend I am alright with my decision.  I am not pooing on anything they do, but by no means do I get excited hearing about what the rest of the band is doing creatively.  Axl Rose is the sole reason I am still following what is called Guns N' Roses today and I suspect that for 99.9% of those who attend shows and bought CD it is the same reason. 

So to tie it back to the interview and what Jarmo and Emily said, I am not interested in 'newer stuff' if Axl Rose has not gotten involved yet. 

Official,, Good News, thanks FM

 :beer:

Could this exact snippet be found in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014?

Shit, you might even be able to find Dizzy actually being the one saying it.

If there is anything to glean from this, and there ain't much, I don't think it bodes well for the miracle reunion.

So he is basically saying nothing

We have a winner!!!!  : ok:

"Newer stuff" sounds good. I do believe they have been working on some stuff from time to time since 2008, but truth is we haven't heard anything except for some leaks.

"Going Down" is on my playlist, I really like that stuff, hopefully we can hear more soon!

If you go back in time and read Dizzy's statements/comments/etc, you'll see that Dizzy has never been a source of any concrete information.  He more or less just satiates people who just want to hear someone from GNR talk.

I know that.

ALL In 2016

 :beer:

Yeah, agreed.  The bulk of the 'Chinese Era' stuff was recorded from 1999-2004, right? I know Ron & Frank did some stuff in 2006/07 but that was it.  So, technically, if something was recorded in 2009-11 it would be considered "new".

But hell, who am I kidding, if I haven't heard it it'll be new to me. Hopefully all this 2016 talk pans out.

No info but then again did we expect any. Of corse only one man holds and he's not talking.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.  :beer:

He doesn't exactly rebuff the reunion question either.

Yeah, "whatever happens, happens."

Agreed.  I dig that one a lot.

I believe the same.
We've pretty much got (at least) three band members saying similar things. One of them is Axl.





/jarmo

I don't get either sides of this argument.  I mean, who cares when the album was recorded? Or if they wrote together since 2008? If we get 12-14 tracks we've never heard, that's a "new" album to me. 

Yes. I agree.

But for some, it's a real issue. The "they haven't done anything since Chinese was released" is repeated Ad nauseam.





/jarmo

I was only responding to what you said about the being written after 2008.  I agree that in the end I don't care when any music was written as long as it gets released.  But if people are claiming that music has been written post-2008 I don't care about it if Axl hasn't worked on it.  I only want to hear about stuff that Axl has contributed to. 

At its base, this is 100% correct.  12-14 songs I have yet to hear is a new album.  No question about it.

So what's the quarrelling about?  Four words : benefit of the doubt

You got your one camp that feels whatever benefit of the doubt Axl ever had, its long used up.  They tend to think, if any new album even comes out, it will be songs from many moons ago.  Doesn't make them any less new to us, of course.  But will lend even more credence to the idea this second straight excessive delay is even more absurd.  Because you will be releasing songs done by guys even longer removed from the fold, and songs that have been done for some time.

Then, you have your other camp.  They don't so much think Axl deserves benefit of the doubt as much as they think even broaching that subject is totally out of line.

It probably doesn't help that both sides have comments from band members that are totally at odds with each other.  And each side tends to put unwavering belief in the ones that support them, and dismiss the ones that refute them.

But do you really think any song is going to come out that Axl did not work on?

Is there much chance of a Fortus/Stinson tune on some future album?

I don?t want to put words in WAR41?s mouth, but for me, when DJ Ashba says he?s worked on 10 amazing songs, I could give a shit less because DJ has never written a song that I remotely enjoy, and he has nothing to do with the Guns N? Roses I grew up on. Same for Fortus, BBF, Frank etc, etc.

If Axl says that he himself worked on 10 amazing songs, well that is another thing altogether.

But from various interviews with ex-members, it seems possible that when Axl says ?we?, he isn?t necessarily involved.
We know that Robin and company were in the studio for days on end with no sign of Axl being present. This goes all the way back to the days of Slash and Duff being in the band.

Axl is the holdover from old Guns, and so Axl is the draw for many still interested today.

To his credit, he gave the other players a chance to showcase what they have to offer.
Unfortunately for me, it didn?t equate to great songwriting. Axl is a man among boys in current GN?R, whereas it was more even in the old band.
They complimented and elevated each other to heights they?ve not since seen.

Nothing on Chinese Democracy made me any more emotionally attached to the players involved.
Though I will say I dig the vibe of Going Down. Sounds more rock n? roll than anything on CD. So points for Tommy on that one.
Axl?s melodies are ace, too.

But yea, I could care less about what anyone in Guns today sans Axl has to say.
I?d prefer Axl put out an album by himself. Piano and vocals. Some acoustic guitar is always welcome.

according to Brain, Axl is more involved than you think....

that's one thing about Axl, too. He knows his shit, dude. I'll never forget, we were working on a track... I forget the name of the track, I don't know if it even made to Chinese Democracy, but we were working on it for two weeks, maybe even longer.

We would work at Village, which is a studio in Santa Monica. Everything would be dropped off to him. At that point it was, like, giving him CD's. So, there'd be a runner ready to go right when we were done at midnight, to bring it to his house in Malibu, and we'd wait about 35-40 minutes until it got there and get the call. 'Yeah, this is cool', or, 'No, we gotta change something or whatever.'   

We'd been doing that for about 2,5 weeks on this song, let's say. Finally, he loved what we were doing, but we had to change something with the drums. So, I remember replaying the part, but, on the beginning of the second half of the intro, there's a kick drum that I had missed on the final take. We had already figured out all the parts and everything was going great, and producer Roy Thomas Baker was like, 'That was the take.'

But I had noticed that I'd missed one kick drum. One kick drum on the one, on the second half of the intro, OK? We send it there, and I'm not shitting you, he says, 'Everything sounds great, except I think Brain missed a kick drum on the one.'

So, he's fuckin' listening. We thought we were sending this shit and he's literally sitting there like King Arthur with seven chicks on his pipe. He's listening, he's working. After that, I respected... I was like, 'Holy shit! He caught that?!' Yeah, he's listening to every little thing. It was my time on getting the drums right, so he was focusing on that... It's pretty amazing. You'd think someone like that, does he need to care? That one got me. I was like, 'Wow. He caught that.'     

With all this talk and complaints about writing new songs, who is writing new songs, people leaving because there are no new songs, this is my take on one possible scenario.

I think, say DJ, or Bumblefoot, or whoever, works on a song, likes it, and then presents it to Axl. Then Axl will put his touches on it, changes this and this and this around and boom, GnR song. So yeah, I was getting excited when I heard other people were writing songs. I don't see Axl going, "I like that, let's record that as is". Even during CD, there are reports that he wanted to make sure every band member had a say in it.

And as far as the lack of new songs, people leaving, and what not, IF a reunion is going to happen, IF the reports are true about Slash and Axl starting to talk last year, this brings up two things in my mind. A. Bumble could have been pissed about it being possible and that's why he quit before he was asked to leave. Also explains why he "didn't" say anything officially (minus the vague messages and alluding to it) about his leaving. Maybe the reunion wasn't sure, and still isn't sure (that's why no one is talking) and he was going to come back if it fell through. DJ left a year later, maybe talks were still going good and he had a sure thing in SIXX:AM and the talks helped pushed him towards that decision. I honestly believe DJ loved being in Guns and I use the possibility of a reunion as an excuse for DJ leaving. Also explains Tommy's statements.

The other thing is, (bare with me, there are a lot of "ifs" here). IF it's true about Axl and Slash talking and IF I'm correct in my assumption (that I pulled out of my ass) that Axl is a pretty emotional guy and I can't really begin to understand the feelings and emotions rushing through him, I can't really see him being in the mood to write. Or at least write for the public to hear. He may be writing just for himself, to kind of deal with everything going on. I mean, that's twenty some years of hurt, anger, distrust, and everything else that he has to deal with. In addition to everything else he may have on his plate. That is a lot for anyone. And IF there is a reunion being talked about, I highly doubt those talks will go smooth. I don't see (again, just from my limited knowledge of things that may not even be true) Axl allowing Slash and Duff being full time, equal members again. I see it being very hard for Slash and Duff to come back and take a huge "pay cut" (even though they are the ones who left). But then again, Duff did it before, so who knows.

Pure speculation on my part, but to compensate my make believe dilemma about money, it would be cool if VR reunited and did Duff and Slash did double bill opening and then playing with GnR.

Sorry, I realize this post is just a bunch of theories and what ifs and no facts, but thanks for reading, if you did.

I like it as well, but let me ask you:  does it sound like CD to you?  To me, it doesn't.  Perhaps this song was one of the "newer stuff" Dizzy was referring to?  Tommy created (or helped to create) this song, right?  Any idea when?

I think this could absolutely be a smoke and fire type situation because I think you could make this exact case the way you did.

What I do not think is in dispute, is that Ron and DJ simply lost patience with Axl.  Now, does that mean reunion?  Does that mean CD II, which barely includes them?  Don't know.  But I think it seems more than likely both men looked a few steps down the line and saw a future that didn't really include them.  And that's on top of whenever the hell Axl decides to get moving on that future to begin with.

No.  Doesn't fit with just about any CD song I ever heard.

Even the other leaks like 'Blood In The Water' and some of the other stuff in that 3 and a half minute medley.  It fit with none of that, I didn't think.

Like the actual album? No, but I can imagine it being recorded during these sessions, probably between 2006 and 2009 (but I could be wrong). I don't think it's part of the "newer" stuff, but it's really cool and I like Tommy's vibe. I remember Ron telling me Robin wrote some parts on it too, so those parts must have been from 2006-2007 (or even earlier).

sounds like Village Gorilla Head Tommy (2004) with a Ron-ish type solo...my 2.

Always good to hear from someone in the band, even if its not Axl. Lets me know things are moving forward. If you trust your source (dizzy in this case) then all you need are little positive indicators like this every now and then to stay excited.

ohai wats going on in diz thread?


AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I think Justin Bieber is joining, he does nothing atm, Dizzy dodged the question, it must be true then. c wat i did thar? :wave:


yup and Tommy is out even if he says he didn't quit and will 'of course' think about (re)joining when gnr reactivates. cuz of the phrazing... ::)

Edit:

Jarmo don't ban me ><

It's not really public announcements I think. He's just doing interviews for his bands. Whether it's GN'R, or in this case, the Dead Daisies.



/jarmo

I noticed that GnR facebook admin just posted the 'It's so Easy' video with all the original members in it +Dizzy Reed even though he wasn't in the original line up!?!
Maybe they want him to be part of the reunion tour! :)

thats live era promo video if I remember correctly -'99

Yep that video is from Live Era.  That was a looonnnggg time ago

Under the current whirlwind of speculation to post this seems a fairly good sign. Could it be happening.  :beer:

^yp. "End of days" starts now :D

p.s. any "recent" 2006-2015 mentions of OMG? that was one of the most well put togather songs of the new era... any chance it might be published or sang live?

Not sure what you mean by published, it was on a movie soundtrack- it is already published.

it was a demo. Reportedly taken with out axls authorization, later re-recorded with buckethead and god knows who else.
got played only few times live, and I'd really like to see what the final version of the song sounds like.

You believe that?

Axl, being asked why it sounds like a demo: Because that's all it was, only at the time having just got it together only Jimmy Iovine knew that who wanted it to sell their soundtrack. I saw segments of the movie which were good. As a whole later not so much but it wasn't ready yet then. I did write an experimental piece inspired by the bits I'd seen called "Daddy Can the Devil do Mommy and me?"[chinesedemocracy.com, December 13, 2008].

Axl, being asked about the future of the song: There?s a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it?s not taken all that seriously [chinesedemocracy.com, December 14, 2008].

It does sound like a demo now that you mention it! All one has to do is give it a quick listen to notice it wouldn't really fit in with that immaculate style cd has going for it. Awesome little piece of trivia there lucky and em. Never realized that one of my favorites, especially lyrically, is just a demo. Would love to hear the finished version someday!

it was probably in the same period as the early CD leaks(citr,twat,irs - '99). It fits well with those; probably same recording sessions.
IMO that song has the best lyrics/vocals/composition of all the CD era songs

Its even been removed from the Spotify version of the Album track listing  >:(