Here Today... Gone To Hell!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmld2UsW_t8

I know the classic line-up deserves all the love and credits, but I never saw them, I was too young in 92 when the band came to S?o Paulo/Brazil. I was at Rock In Rio 2001, first time seeing Axl on stage, and man, everyone around me were jumping and screaming things like "AXL FUCKING ROOOSE" in the first chords of Jungle. I can?t describe it.  :peace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asYL4Ab-ljw

I concur the opening notes to jungle live give me goose bumps. Montreal 2010 was special for so many reasons sold out crowd first time back since the riot, Axls voice was on fire rasp everywhere. They literally played all of afd except for 3 songs almost all of Chinese democracy and some staples from YUI and also the best performance of November rain since the 90's https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RlgHYnQE0

2001 in Rio was insane.  The crow...his long screams...the energy!  Unbelievable and my favorite WTTJ ever. 

Other Option Is Southamerican Tour 1992, Argentina Is Very Good By Cameras. My First Time Live,,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vzcxp3u79M

Pd. RIR 2001 Is Unique

 :smoking:

VMA02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oz4VqyQASI yes! :headbanger: ram06 and rio01 I like too

Yes, Montreal 2010 was special.

Amazing show too!



/jarmo

Its insane how much difference there is voice-wise comparing 2010 and the last tours

I like the one from Live Era 87-93 alot.
I wonder what show is that from...

Yeah, no one knows.  Was that the only one we never got a date on?

I agree with you.  Think it might be the best track, top to bottom, on that album.  Sounds awesome.

We have a date:

Across the Universe, at every moment of space and time.

;)

Great thread, post more please!

For me personally yes this show for sure.  The crowd was deafening, so happy  :beer:

Did you actually attend any shows in 2010 and the last tours for an accurate comparison? I've heard this mentioned from online self appointed critics who don't actually attend shows.

Yes, i attended all the tour legs since (including) 2002.
His voice in 2006 was good, in 2010 it was almost perfect. After that it got worse.

Opinions vary, I attended shows from those years too as well as some from last year, he sounded great- as usual.

I was at shows in 2002, 2006, 2011, and obviously have heard audio from 07, 09, 10, 12, 13, and 14.


I would say 2002 wasn't bad, but it was weak and at times shrill, 2006 was a huge improvement, 2007 sounded the best I have heard, 10 was (IMO) just a level below where he was in '06, then it starts to go down from there. I think DX made the point in one of the reunion thread... the quality of his voice seems tied to his 'perceived' fitness. He looked in the best shape during that 06-10 timeframe sort of peaking during that 07 Asia leg. To me the 'baggy look in 02 and the constant long sleeve jacket look was almost hiding something.

Yeahhh !!! Like All

 :beer:

2001-02 wasn't bad, but a total shock to the system.  So clean, and pretty different on songs we had heard him sing for years.  Yet, conversely, I think his vocals on the new sogns on that tour are solid.  But, perhaps because I didn't have 300 bootlegs of him singing them some other way to compare it too.

2006-07 and 2009-10 is pretty obviously the best he sounded since the relaunch.  And I can't see how it is not tied into him being in better shape and obviously pretty prepared.

2011 onwards...hey, wha' happen?  Totally out of shape, totally in poor voice.  It was like he was told the week before that he had to go on tour.

Part of that attitude and those shoddy performances are one of the better reason I think this line-up is donezo.  I see no real argument he hasn't lost major fire and interest in the current set-up.  And that was never him.

Yeah, its the only one.

My guess is somewhere in 1993, gilbys guitar tone sounds more 93 to me.

The Live Era info isint always accurate, for example the common info is that the first half of Patience is from Paris 93, when in reality its from Mexico City 93.

My other favorite Jungle is from Paris 1992. I remember being 5 years old and watching the Paris gig on vhs and Jungle came on and i thought that i had just witnessed the most badass thing ever. ;D

Love that concert, and that rendition. 

Also really like DTJ/Civil War and KOHD from that one.  When I make mixes of that tour, I use those versions.

It's hard to take you seriously. You don't do a two hour plus show in La Paz, Bolivia if you're out of shape.

Sorry.





/jarmo

Jesus Christ, Jarmo.  Do we actually need the side by side pictures?

Get real.

You telling somebody who was at the shows to get real is....... Something.



/jarmo

Conversational Re-Direct : DENIED

If you want to tell me his voice sounded just as good as before from 2011 onwards, you do that.  I'd laugh right in your face, but you could always play the well worn "well, its subjective..." card and use it as an escape hatch.

Whatever.

But to say he was in the same physical shape from 2011 onwards that he was in for prior tours is just preposterous.  And is in no way subjective.  Very easily provable by anyone with eyes.

Now, yes...I know, I know : Bolivia!  Altitude!  I was there!

Great.  All non-answers, I'm afraid.

Read what I said.
Think. Read again.

Like I said, you don't do what he does if you're out of shape.

Now, think about it a little more and get back to me when you finally understand how stupid your post opinion is.
Thank you.

Yes, I know it hurts your feelings when I point out simple facts like the one where I don't solely rely on Youtube for my opinions.



/jarmo

The rebuttal to the point Axl is pretty clearly in poorer physical shape from 2011 onwards than he was in prior tours is never ever, ever, ever, EVER going to be how he played Bolivia that time.

So if you are just going to try and run that up the flagpole, again, save yourself the typing.  The fact I'm even responding to it a second time shows I have the patience of Job.

Its a pathetic and desperate subject change, because arguing against pictures, videos, and human eyesight is a tough slog.  I'm sure it is.  Probably why I'd never try it.

If you said, "I think that by judging clips on Youtube, Z was in better shape in year X than year Y", we'd have a different argument.

But no, you can't do that. You have to make the usual bullshit generalization once again.


Now you're backtracking again. Maybe you shouldn't type so much bullshit and then you'd save all of us time?



Let's just remind everybody what you said:



Totally your usual bullshit.



/jarmo

I stand by that statement.  Why would I walk that back?

Starting with the 10/2/2011 show, he is in poorer shape than prior tours.  Clearly visible. 

Starting with the 10/2/2011 show, he is in poorer voice than prior tours.  Clearly audible.

The bit about it seeming like he found out about the tour only the week before was obviously a joke.  File it under gallows humor, I guess.  Its a throwaway line that accompanies the relevant, on topic point being made.

So in your opinion, I can say that you're totally wrong about everything you say because you were wrong more than once.

Generalizations are fun!  :yes:

Of course you stand by your statement. It's how you operate. Your business is bullshit. You're never wrong in your own mind.
It's not like we're surprised.


How's your shape?



/jarmo

"Believe me...not your lying eyes and ears" is a monumentally stupid argument.

I'd be embarrassed to make it in any sort of public forum, about any topic.  But we've long established you are unconcerned with such matters.

I stick to facts. Too bad you jinxed the tapers so there's no bootlegs of those last shows in Las Vegas last year....

You paint a picture using only one color. You're not able to see differences, even show to show. And you argue against people who were there.
I'm not even talking about myself here.


So, how's your shape?
Totally out of shape? We can only speculate since you don't give us any updates!




/jarmo

My reach clearly knows no bounds. 



When there is something to update, it will be announced.  Why is this so difficult to grasp?

An observation, if I might? Coming off a little entitled right now.  Little bit.

There should be a Jarmo vs D-GenerationX thread that should be dedicated to your arguments.

Oh, he doesn't have seem to have much trouble tracking me down.  I might as well have a microchip in my neck, like Agent Dana Scully.

You owe us!

 :hihi:





/jarmo