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Only the GN'R parts, the rest of the article is about his new solo band (which includes Frank) and the Replacements:




Tommy Stinson: Replacements run was 'special' but it's time to move on
The Replacements and GNR bassist is ready to leave his old band (or bands?) behind for a new solo venture.
By Chris Riemenschneider Star Tribune
September 2, 2015 ? 11:41am

Since he?s more interested in talking about his new band coming to the Turf Club next Saturday, Tommy Stinson offered these short answers to the two most-heard questions about the old bands he is probably leaving behind:

1) Ask Axl.

2) Ask Paul?s T-shirts.

?At this point, they probably have their own [publicists],? the veteran bassist joked of his Replacements bandmate Paul Westerberg?s letter-encoded white T?s.

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Decoding Axl Rose is a whole other matter.

Now 48, Tommy has been playing bass with Rose in Guns N? Roses since 1998. However, even before rumors started flying a few weeks ago about the late-?80s lineup of GNR getting back together, he said his status in the group was up in the air. His last GNR gig was April 2014 in Las Vegas.

?I reach out once in a while to that crew of people ? a lot of whom are also my good friends ? but I really have no idea what?s going on,? he said, clarifying at least this much: ?I didn?t quit the gig or walk away from it. We just all sort of left it in Vegas.?

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A postscript, if needed, on his stint in Guns N? Roses: ?I?ll be honest with you: [Axl Rose] was always very good to me, and it was always a really good gig. It wasn?t necessarily the easiest gig, but it was always good. I have nothing but gratitude for it. If they got [the modern lineup] together again and wanted me to play, of course I?d have to think about it.?

Full article: http://www.startribune.com/tommy-stinson-replacements-run-was-special-but-it-s-time-to-move-on/323903361/

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/jarmo

"status up in the air"

The plot thickens.  But I think its encouraging.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm going to be interesting here next few months with all this speculation around GNR Camp

He really seems to speaking about it in the past tense no?

Apparently he didn't get the same memo that Frank and richard got about big plans for 2016!

Every day I'm starting to believe a little bit more something is int he works.

I've said right along...when Tommy says he's out, that's when this reunion stuff starts to gain traction.

While he might not have outright said it....and I won't put words in his mouth....there is certainly that implication.  He certainly makes it sound like he's out, and would have to "consider" a return...not that he'd be jumping right back in.

I think that's a very, very, very interesting article....

So what has Richard heard, that Tommy hasnt?

Why is Richard so optimistic about the status of the band in 2016, when Tommy doesnt have a clue

Allow me to spitball, in a totally off the wall outrageous unsubstantiated way:

Izzy, likely, isn't touring.  He's said it before..he hates it.

And Adler...well...I'm not sure everyone would be onboard with his reliability.

Would it make sense, then, for Richard and Frank to stick around?  If that was really the plan?

Again, totally spit balling some pure fantastical what ifs.

I really don't know what to think after reading this... I mean how can the longest tenured member of Guns N' Roses not named Axl or Dizzy know less than Richard and Frank (especially considering he is in a band with Frank). Which leads me to think two things, 1. Richard and Frank are talking out of their collective asses about the big plans OR 2. Tommy is not involved in the big plans and has been replaced by someone with similar qualifications who could fit right in on Bass (wonder who that could be).

He is basically saying the same thing Frank said that he reached out to the 'camp' about what's up... Frank got a text from Axl (supposedly) and Tommy was ignored and or given no information?

Didnt Duff just recently post how he ran into Tommy recently and they hung out or something like that....

If that was the case, wouldnt one of the first things Tommy would ask is.  What the hell is going on??  Are you back in the band or what dude

One alternative theory is: Tommy is out and, while he knows more than he's letting on, he doesn't think, given his status, it's his place to comment.  So he can, realistically and honestly, claim he doesn't know (because he doesn't know EXACTLY what's going on, per se).  And move the interview along.

lineup of Axl, Slash, Duff, Richard and Frank..... not crazy I guess.....

Coma is right... why such a disconnect between Tommy and Richard/Frank

maybe there is plans for a combo lineup... ???

My boy Stinson is a damn good soldier though....really wish he could stay involved somehow.

Totally agree.

I really feel like the lineup of Axl, Slash, Duff, Richard, Frank (Dizzy and Pittman) makes the most sense when talking reunion tour (if you are going to stay away from Matt)... Then I think Izzy would be involved in creative process along the lines of what Paul provided Axl during the early portion of his mid to late 90's renaissance.

Agree.  I think Stinson brought a TON to the table.

But, if they were working with Izzy again in the studio (but not on tour)...I think Izzy does a lot of the "stuff" that Tommy does.

I'm hesitant to even post this, because, lets face it, we're dealing with a LOT of what if and fantasy, here.  But, it's a nice fantasy to sort of work through, look at, and discuss, I guess.

OF note, read what Tommy says about trying to record new Replacements material.....IF Axl/Duff/Slash do get back together, there are no guarantees for new music.

Assessing the Replacements recording sessions: ?It was one of those things: We dipped our toe in the water, and it didn?t feel so good. The water was a little too hot. I won?t say never, but the songs of mine that we recorded, I?ve redone. You know, if [Westerberg] called me up and said, ?Hey, you wanna try this again?? of course I would do it, if only to [mess] around a bit. Do we need to do that right now, though? I don?t think so.?

What gets me is...really...we now have 3 realistic, logical, potential scenarios (assuming Tommy is "gone", which I still am not willing to say is 100% true..but the indications point that way):

Reunion (with Richard and Frank somehow involved??)
Total Rebuild (with Richard and Frank somehow involved??)
Total Disbandment (no pun intended, maybe with CDII as the swan song, and they never tour it?).

To be clear, the stuff INSIDE the parentheticals is just that...and questionable.

Maybe there are other scenarios that I'm not seeing, but THIS lineup..the 2002 (1998?) - 2014 lineup appears to be done, kaputski, finito.  Right?  

And, by the sounds of it, PLANNED to be that way, to some extent.  Tommy sure made it sound like they sort of said their goodbyes, by and large, in Vegas.

This might be the most interesting article of the 3 "announcements" we've heard, recently.  At least to me.

Totally agree.  It would be interesting, though...that's for sure.

I almost feel like the Subject/topic heading jarmo used for this needs to be punched up. ;)  Like "READ ME NOW"!!  Or "THIS IS POTENTIALLY A BFD".  I'm kidding..but only a bit....

Nah.


The band hasn't anything announced at the moment. Of course some will jump to conclusions based on what Tommy said. But things can change quickly.





/jarmo

What about CDII? Are Slash and Duff going to rewrite the songs and then record them again? Is CDII gonna be buried? Not my case at all but there are fans out there who care a lot more about CD II than about a reunion. And I don?t like the idea of Slash and Duff working on CDII. I?d rather have a new album with brand new songs written by them with Izzy collaboration in a song or two

1) Last GNR Gig Las Vegas 2014 ?

2) The Modern Line Up ?

Much Drinking Tommy

 :rofl:

Agree that things can change quickly.  As for what Tommy said...as I've said, I'm not 100% at "he's gone", but that's the implication.  Whether the implication is legit,  a matter of poor phrasing, or an interviewer looking for a headline...that I don't know yet.

But I think there are inevitable "what ifs", and discussions, that come from this interview.   More so than even the DJ and BBF announcements....because I think Tommy "meant more" to this incarnation of GnR than either of those guys did.  IF the implication is at all true, it pretty much speaks to some sort of paradigm shift for the band.  That, to be, is a BFD.

I'm being VERY careful to phrase my comments in such a way that I convey there is definitely some "unsureness" and fluidity to the situation, and that it's all a great big fantasy "what if", at this point.  I'll continue to go that route, until we hear something more concrete or official.  But, as I said in the other thread...this morning, I was pretty sure we'd see a reunion when hell froze over.  Today...I think I see a few snow flurries (though it could just be some stray ash floating around).

For me, that's about as much movement, on that topic, again FOR ME, as I've had in about 20 years.

Jump to what conclusion?  That Tommy's out of the band?  I mean, he did say:

"If they got [the modern lineup] together again and wanted me to play, of course I?d have to think about it.?

What other conclusion is there to draw?  Are we going to treat this like BBF and say there's no official announcement?  I'd say there's enough here to reasonably conclude Tommy is gone.

Thinking along similar lines.

I think you're exactly right...Richard and Frank got a different message than the rest.  They're going to be part of the tour (meaning no Izzy, Adler, or Sorum).  

I think its a very small number that care more about CD II than a reunion in any capacity.  An almost statistically insignificant number.

How about this?  Is this why Ron had to dummy up?

As in, they were told of this in 2014.  He decides he out ASAP, as of the last show.  They till him fine, and will pay him what he's owed...unless he blabs.

I don't see why a reunion of the classic lineup would at all prohibit the release of songs that are "already recorded" and "been done for a while."  They don't need to be mutually exclusive things.  Release the CD leftovers and then tour with a reunited band.  That way, all GnR fans have something to be happy about.

Now im convinced. GN'R is the most dangerous band in the world. I dont know what to belive about the future of GNR right now, other that it will be very interesting to see whats comming. And it seams that things are right around the corner now

If this pans out, its the most exciting thing to happen in the GNRverse in 20 years.

- Axl coming out of hibernation in 2001
- RIR III
- 2002 MTV Awards
- Axl re-emerging in 2006
- release of CD

All exciting at the time for their own reasons.  But all sharing one common denominator : its not the real band.

This would pass them all, standing still.

Its a lot more likely that Duff could replace Tommy, but even with that, and even if things between Axl n' Slash are "less frosty" (quoting Jarmo), doesn't meet Slash replaces DJ/Ron.  I think more likely would be a scenario in which Duff returns and we get two new guitar players to fill in the DJ and Ron slots...could be known or unknowns.  They release CD2, tour with this band.  And perhaps, sometime later in future, Slash would return to the fold to do a classic material tour.  The one thing I think will never happen is Axl and Slash working on new material together again.

So then you would have this reunited band promoting songs, it never even wrote or will probably never play live?

I am all for hearing new music, but I cant see that happeing if there is a reunion.

If there is a reunion, I dont think we will see any of the previous recorded music anytime soon

I think if the reunited band, cant write new music togther..  In a few years..  Thats when that vault would be opened up.

We would get some sorta "Ultimate" Chinease Democracy Album released.  

The only thing that's for sure is that GN'R isn't doing anything at the moment.
Tommy's stating the obvious.

When there's plans, if they include him, he'll consider it at that moment.

I don't know what plans the band has, and it sounds like Tommy doesn't either. Or he doesn't wanna talk about it.



He also said: "I didn?t quit the gig or walk away from it. We just all sort of left it in Vegas."
Sounds more like the band took a break and nobody knew when they'd be back again.



/jarmo

And Well... The Modern Line Up 2016 In My Simply Review Is:

Axl
Cris
Duff
Dizzy
Frank
Richard
New Guitar 1
New Guitar 2

 ;D

Agreed.  Will not happen.

Personally, don't even care.  I would want to go see the shows and maybe get a bootleg or two out of it.

I hate to turn this discussion sideways but please stop with that crap already. It's so fking old at this point.


On topic this doesn't really mean Tommy is gone. I'm almost positive Tommy has said something similar about the band way back around 04-05. I'm almost positive he gave an interview way back then that had a similar line about "if they get back together".  

I believe --> he doesn't wanna talk about it

 :)

Then don't.  Only you can prevent forest fires, and only you can control what you type.



Maybe, but these comments do at least circumstantially fit in with some things we know.

- Ron bounced
- DJ bounced
- Tommy seems out of the loop
- Not a speck of news about any work being done on some supposed new album
- No buzz among the industry any new album is coming (in terms of studio time, mixing process, etc.)

Only you can prevent yourself from posting dumbass remarks and statements  : ok:

As for the rest of the drivel you posted, Richard said work was being done. So how is that not news?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste  :hihi:

Richard also was very optimistic about 2016 in his recent interview  : ok:

Well, you two didn't just confirm anything we talked about last night at all.

This is potentially a big day.  I'm sorry you have bugs up your ass about me, but today is not the day for it.

Move along.

One thing is strange about this to me...That's the fact that Richard & Frank seem all sorts of jazzed about whatever news is coming, whereas Tommy, the longest standing member out of the three, seems to have zero fucking clue what's going on and seems completely out of the loop....Unless he's a master bullshitter, of course...

I think he just has the misfortune of playing an instrument you only need one of, and the that instrument is also manned by a guy maybe coming back.

Hmm.  But wouldn't he have at least some clue that was the case?  Maybe he does and is just being intentionally vague in this interview, so not to be the one who spills the beans.

And Frank ?

 : ok:

Oh, I misunderstood you.  You are saying that he perhaps knows but just isn't saying?  Maybe. 

Although, like I said earlier perhaps Axl asked everyone to keep this quiet for now.

Well, except Slash.  Haha.

Of course you ignore Richards comments and go on as if it wasn't said. Par for the course with you it seems.

Maybe Richard is just optimistic about the possibility of seeing the classic lineup share the same stage again.

To me it's pretty clear, Tommy's comments suggest GNR's already past him.

Yes, he has not mentioned he's out, but pretty much everything he said implies he's been out, especially this part " If they got [the modern lineup] together again and wanted me to play, of course I?d have to think about it". That implies the modern line-up is no longer together.

Could the band be on a break? I seriously doubt it now. Since Tommy's been in GNR there has been a few other breaks before and I've never - EVER - read anything that could suggest whatever current incarnation of the band THEN was not together anymore, now all recents events suggest otherwise; Ashba's letter, BBF out, tommy's interview... seems like the modern line-up as we know it, it's falling to pieces (no pun intended).

Does this mean the old line-up (or a combo) is in the works? Hopefully.

Its also maybe sort of awkward is Axl decided to keep some of the new guys, but not others.  So you aren't really talking.

Yep.  Agreed on all points.

We spent how long trying to parse what Ron said, when in reality, our first impressions were right the entire time.

Tommy sounds past tense in his comments.

Agreed.

Don't see any other way to read it when you combine it with BOTH lead guitar players packing up and going home.

I wasn't excited about these departures a few months ago...I figured there was nothing good that could come from it...  but now I really am excited.

The Replacements and GNR bassist is ready to leave his old band (or bands?) behind for a new solo venture.

By Chris Riemenschneider

Words/Letters From CR

This makes sense.  Remember the rumors swirling in the media last year that Axl was disbanding GNR and retiring after Vegas?  Maybe there was just a hint of truth to that.  As in, possibly, Axl was disbanding that lineup...But possibly continuing with another?  It wouldn't be the first time with the help of some legal gymnastics that Axl did or planned to do something like that.

When does Slash's tour end?  I know he said he planned to dive in to the next solo album soon, but I'm quite sure he'd put that on hold in lieu of a GNR reunion tour.

No question about it.

It will have been for the greater good.

My two cents on this...

Tommy's nickname "The General" for a reason. Whatever happens in GNR, I'm pretty sure Axl or management would probably send the memo to Tommy before Frank or Richard.

Either Frank and Richard have not received the memo yet (current incarnation has no longer any plans) or they could be part of GNR 2016.

If you ignore it, then there's no news!
Don't you get it?  :hihi:



Considering Bumblefoot was doing his countdown and making comments about leaving, that alone would tell you that the 2009-2014 line up was done.



/jarmo

And Tommy doesn't seem like the kind of guy who spoil something out of spite simply if he wasn't in the fold.

Yet we wasted how much time and bandwith arguing against all common sense that maybe there was nothing to that?

Maybe we don't do that this time around.  Tommy sounding done might be for the very basic reason Tommy is done.

curious to see the new incarnation of the band

Tommy apparently out, DJ & Ron out, Slash saying he's on better terms with Axl, Duff making music with Izzy...

Yep, I remember. It was just a rumor and quite frankly I didn't really pay too much attention then...but in retrospect, who knows..


Slash's tour ends in November.

Jump to any conclusions you want.
Considering that we don't even know the band's plans, I'm not gonna join you.




/jarmo

Well, you should.  Look at the flurry of activity around here today.

And I got news for you, every other GNR board is seeing it too.

Tommys got a new website comming up this week, maybe there will be some more info about his status.

Jarmo, do you see a Slash return in 2016? Or is this whole thing just getting blown way out of proportion?

I gotta say...There's "something" in the air, that's for sure.

It's the most optimistic past week or so in forever in GNRland.

Its all speculation, and who the fuck knows, but why not jump into it?

What, should we have our 47th go round about the same old shit?

We always ask for something new to talk about.  This is something new to talk about.

Haha, I just looked it up myself on his site.  Looks like it's clear sailing for all of the (allegedly) involved parties in 2016.  Man, I haven't been this excited about anything GNR since...well...since Chinese Democracy finally dropped.

BTW: I'm seeing a lot of people say that Richard would fill in for Izzy due to his aversion to touring.  Personally, I don't see any reason why Richard wouldn't be there too even if Izzy does tour.  I think Axl likes the idea of 3 layered guitarists, and it would only make everything sound a bit richer too.  Just my opinion, but I see Richard sticking around regardless.

things are getting weird

I agree about having Izzy, Slash and Richard, plus hasn't izzy said he would be down because as he put it those "are my songs" ?

Maybe he wouldn't want to do it for too too long tho.

I wouldnt say that

What I would say is that Guns N Roses havnt made any of there future plans public.  Doesnt mean they dont have any.  Or are not working on anything.  Or are even on a break

Sounds to me from recent interviews, there are plans in the works..  That Frank and Richard and even Fernado are aware of.

It sounds to me, either Tommy is not involved in any current future plans, that at least the three above are.

I completely agree.  The past tense in "[Axl] was always very good to me...If they got [the modern lineup] together again and wanted me to play, of course I'd have to think about it" sounds far more final than mere speculation / "I don't know what's going on" talk.  In the grand scheme of things, the "GnR is over after Vegas" rumors, Bumblefoot's departure, DJ, Tommy's comments all indicate that something is surely going on behind the scenes.  Here's to hope, new music, and more GnR, no matter what form that takes.  

It's amazing to me how fast blabbermouth posts this stuff after it shows up here or at Mygnr etc...

WE ARE THE NEW MEDIA

I'm sorry if i missed this one but isn't Frank in Tommy's new band? uhhhhh GNR never came up? haha

Ha!  Great point.

Rumor - All 5 classic line up members will get back together to record AFD 2 in 2057, tracklist has emerged:

Welcome to the Retirement Home
Its So Cold
Night Pain
They're Out to Confuse Me
Mr. Beta Blocker
Boca Raton
Who's Michelle?
Think About Bingo
Sweet Nana of Mine
You're Senile
Nothing Goes Anymore
Relief Cream

You're a regular Jay Leno.  ::)

Then somebody from the NEW MEDIA needs to tell Blabbermouth or whoever the hell wrote this that the last time Tommy played with GNR it was June 2014 not April 2014.   :smoking:

GAME CHANGER

Gosh, i really hope Tommy will continue to play with GN'R.

Modern day lineup means Ashba and Bumble. (maybe)

I could see Richards comments meaning a new album for 2016.

modern day to Tommy means his era in Gnr....quite sure....1998 forward. So many come and gone, who knows what his fav version was.

Hey anything is possible. But it looks like Axl has to rebuild the band again. In the past it took him years I don?t think it?s gonna be different this time around. And I don?t know to what extend he can still get the masses by his side in order to sell albums and tickets

Any incarnation that involves Slash and Duff will do the trick.

I have a feeling Axl will not rebuild GNR again. I honestly don't think Axl, at 53, will audition any more guitar players at this stage.

Either he calls it quits and retires or he plays the hits with the old gang.

And the plot thickens. It seems like it would make too much sense for Slash and Duff to fill the open positions, so it probably won't happen. Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!

And really, you could probably even get away without Duff.

Axl & Slash are the key.  With the 2 of them, you won't hear much in terms of griping.  And can play bigger places.

Getting more curious about what the news will be coming from the band in some weeks...

Maybe something has changed since the time Fernando revealed that.

D-Gen....agree....the carrot is Axl and Slash to the public. But, as Tommy gets most of his press from The Mats, Duff gets most of his press from Gnr related stuff. It is what it is....that's what is cool, both Tommy and Duff respect their past. Great for me as I love both bands.  :beer:

If Slash was in.... you can throw your house on it duff will be there.

All indications are... that Duff is/was the key to everything... regarding Axl mending his relationship with slash and anything futher coming from that.

No idea.
Recently we've only heard one side talk briefly about whatever has gone on between the two people involved.
So until we hear more.... I agree with those that say if nothing else comes out of that piece of news, then it's good enough.



/jarmo

So only Richard knows what's going on??..  My guess full reunion a few small clubs.  Maybe few cities like Hollowood, SF, Chi and NY. Then tour around country in arenas with Richard in place of Izzy. 

So let's compile all of the things that have been going on the past couple of months:

DJ leaves GNR

Bumblefoot finally confirms he's out.

Slash says it has been long overdue when asked if he and Axl are friends again.

Duff's wife posted a picture of Axl, Slash, & Duff on her Twitter account.

Slash gets a new tattoo to cover up his  tattoo of his ex-wife. The new tattoo is a gun and a rose.

Richard & Frank are excited for 2016.

Today, Tommy Stintson say he's out of the loop and uses past tense when talking about GNR.

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to   a reasonable conclusion. Oh and then you have the rumor of the GNR biopic  for next year. 

 

Where ?

HBK- have you read the article?? He says he doesn't know what's going on. He's out of the loop in knowing.

If you've seen anything he has posted over the last several years he speaks very little English, he just highlighted a small piece of the sentence leaving out all context by not highlighting 'of the loop and uses past tense when talking about GNR'... he focused simply on Today, Tommy Stinson says he's out.

It is ESL, cut him a little break, he does better here than if I had to communicate on a Spanish or Portuguese fan forum.

Dude, chill out. I didn't know. I don't keep track of who knows English well and who doesn't. If I  see one part of a sentence being bolded then I'm going to assume that person knows English and is trying to twist things around.

draguns, it wasn't an attack. Sorry if it was taken that way. If you aren't familiar with his posts (which it seems you aren't), they don't always make perfect sense due to the loss in translation. Just pointing it out.

Ok. Fair enough dude : ok:

I'm amazed whenever I see anyone on an English speaking board where its not their first language.

I could never do that shit.  And I took 4 total years of Spanish.

Tommy, while promoting his project, said 'I didn't quit the band' and indiquate he is positive to keep going with GNR when/if asked.

What am I missing? :coffee:

You do realize that if this pans out, you may taking photos and touring with one of the biggest events in history.  There's no way that doesn't appeal to you.  :yes:

possibly the biggest sellout ever

Wait News From GNR

 :smoking:

Sorry guys, "not the biggest event in history" or "the biggest sellout ever".

For God's sake, can we just wait and see what happens before Guns parts the Red Sea?  :hihi:

He actually didn't say he was positive he would go.

He said he'd have to consider it (aka think about it) if they offered.

That means..he's NOT positive he'd keep going.

It makes sense. Until he knows what the plans are, how can he say he'll be there for sure?




/jarmo

This band has great communicate  :confused:

sad to see another guy fed up and leave, but no wonder. nobody wants to spend half his life underground, releasing 1 album in nearly 20 years.

I don't think Tommy sees that as a problem for him personally. The members have always been free to do whatever they want outside of Guns and Tommy has released more than 1 album in the past 20 years. He doesn't spend his life underground..

What Axl chooses to do with Guns N Roses doesn't affect Tommy's output whether he's in the band or not.

I don't buy that he doesn't know... and if he does know that there indeed isn't a plan yet... then Frank and Richard are liars... so which one is it?

When you consider that Frank and Tommy are currently working together, I don't buy that one knows and the other doesn't.

I agree... he seems like a guy who genuinely doesn't care if it picks up again or not, he will do music for a living either way ... he seems to have no issue passing the mantle back to Mr. Mckagan either.

Btw this could just be complete coincidence and circumstance, but Duff has been very quiet the past few weeks.. no interviews, not many tweets or anything.. He's usually more "out there".

Once again, what Frank and Richard has said doesn't make them liars based on this.
They might all know about the general plans for the next year, but they don't know the specifics. Tommy's not committing to something he doesn't know the specifics of.

That's why he's giving that answer.
Now, hypothetically speaking without knowing anything, imagine if he had said he'd be there and then later hears that GN'R plans to use Duff for whatever the plans are? After all, they can read the same rumors we can on the Internet.





/jarmo

Why so quick to label people liars when you don't know the whole story and aren't privvy to details? Not Cool   :no:

They have very different stories, that's all I'm trying to convey. It is very curious to say the least.

Richard and Frank seem very gun ho that they are part of the future plans, and Tommy doesn't seem to have a clue.

Because I think it?s reasonable to conclude that Tommy knows what GnR?s plans are?if Frank knows how can he not?  I think he knows the plans don?t involve him and he?s taking the high road by saying if the modern lineup ever gets back together (read: it?s not together now) he?d consider joining (read: he?s not in the band now).

I think labeling them as liars is wrong... but I think the whole situation is curious to say the least.

When the news of DJ and Ron leaving officially hit, Ron was quick to say that he was in contact with Axl and things look good for 2016
Shortly that after Richard comments about how big things are coming in 2016 (admittedly this was after he made a comment not dissimilar to what Tommy just said).
Then Tommy in an interview uses past tense when talking GnR, intimates that he has reached out to the camp, yet got no info back.

There is either some crossed wires about what can and can't (should and shouldn't) be spoken about publicly, OR the two most junior (remaining) members of the band are more in the loop than the longest tenured member of any lineup not named Axl or Dizzy. Based on the info we have it is impossible to determine as fact what the situation is currently, but with the 'dots' we have been given you can connect them and they make a picture...

But you don't  KNOW that, you merely think that. It's a little harsh to arbitrarily label someone a liar.

Exactly... I'm sorry I used the word liar. Like you and I both said it just doesn't add up.

I don't think its being said they are flat out liars.

Simply that they would sort of have to be if you want that narrative to work.

What the hell is really going on  ;D Some info from Axl wouldn't hurt at this point..

Neither would finding a bag of cash in the street when I pick up my lunch.

Both have about an equal chance of happening, however.

You raise some reasonable points Coma- and it does lead to speculation, I don't disagree there. I don't agree with calling, or labelling people as liars when all the details aren't public. Tecnically Ron quit last year in SA, so two members haven't left in quick succession as is implied by several.
I'm sure the conclusion jumping and the wild speculation will continue to proliferate until an Official statement is made, but I prefer to wait on that information or announcement. :)

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/duff-mckagan-izzy-stradlin-new-album/

Duff is working on a new album with Izzy Stradlin of all people.

Calling someone a liar is pretty staightforward and needs no interpretation. I saw them labeled as liars not as quasi-liars or pseudo-liars .

Yeah I remember that from a few weeks back, maybe Uncle Axl will like some of those songs.

While you are correct that Ron left a year ago, the band didn't officially recognize this with a public statement until after the DJ tweet (which by the way you wouldn't recognize Ron's departure until you got a statement), which is what really started this whole ball rolling down hill. Everything else has come in quick succession after that. Which leads me to the other point I have been trying to make, why does this band sit on information forever and hide from addressing things in the press? A lot of these conversations and media stories could get quickly validated or shot down and have momentum harnessed properly if they were transparent (hell even translucent) about what is going on.

This article is from August 6th, I realize it feeds into the online hysteria but I prefer to keep things in perspective.

You make clear and coherent posts C0ma, I think we got off on the wrong foot initially.

Should the Ron situation have been handled differently? Possibly, but I don't think anyone was counting on him to be such a passive aggressive PR nightmare, taking cheap shots at the band both privately and publicly. Hindsight is 20/20 -

As far as transparency goes, I'm personally not a proponent of that approach, some private business matters are just that-private.The transparency concept largely took off and was popularized by the internet where people don't give a second thought to posting their private life online for all to see.

I'm sure some clarification will come in official form if everyone is just patient. Unfortunately, some thrive on drama and sensationalism- the tabloid journalism mentality is quite prevalent.

I found a friend  :D

Oh Jesus!!! Here we go again. If's / Buts / Maybe's.

GNR Management please just confirm what the hell is going on with a facebook statement or whatever. How hard is it to just let the fans know whats going on?? The fans are the ones that buy the cd's / dvd's and buy the tickets without them you got nothing. Show a little respect for once.

I know its never going happen because its GNR. But miracles do happen.

They will never chime in.  Their communication skills are a joke.

That might be the best thing to come of this if it happens,actually.  There will be people in the fold that actually talk to us.

The positive way to look at it is that, for once, perhaps there is a reason to stay mum.  If it comes out in 3 months there is some sort of reunion deal in place, but they couldn't say until it was all hammered out and signed off on, I can't imagine anyone will care.

Conversely, if nothing comes of any of this, there is no reunion, and all we get is some vague assurance they are "still trying to sift through the material" for a CD follow up, at that point...you throw up your hands.

Shades of misguided entitlement issues here.

If you buy a ticket-you get a show
If you buy an album-you get to own a copy of the music.

Nobody honestly "owes" you any inside information on how things are run, business matters, or internal affairs.

When there is something to announce, it will be announced. When an update is ready, it will be relayed.

Pretty simple concept, and I know it isn't what you want to hear, but it is the truth.

"All we need is just a little patience." :)

I think that they learned their lesson about giving announcements too early when Chinese Democracy was due to come out in the summer of 2000.

100% agree.  I was just pointing out the difference in what was said vs what norway SAID was said.  The exact verbage is different.

I disagree.

I think you can be at a place where everyone is telling the truth, based on their level of comfort with knowing what's going on.

Frank and Richard have heard enough to get them excited.  They might not have exact specifics, though.

Tommy has heard the same things (through whatever source...directly or indirectly) but without the specifics HE isn't comfortable commenting.  Also, IF (note I'm going to use that word a lot in reference to his status) he has sort of, kind of, left the band, then he probably carries a modicum of professionalism and isn't going to share what information he DOES have.  He's not lying.  He simply doesn't have enough information to comment categorically and what info he does have he feels isn't his to share.  I think that's a perfectly legit "I really don't know what's going on, exactly" use of phrasing.

I agree with this totally

With Tommy  I am pretty sure he knows a lot of what is going on and just doesnt want to comment on it.  Its the approach of saying "I dont know", just to change the subject and to get out of talking about something.

No shades of misguided entitlement issues here. I'm an adult, I know how things work. All I was saying is that how crap GNR in general treat their fans. I think almost everybody here will agree with that. I get it they cant make a big announcement like a reunion etc. until everything is done, but just say we are working on getting something together an album / tour whatever. Everything with GNR is so secret.

Look I guess we will find out somewhere down the line.

Great post Pilferk! Everyone sees events and issues from their own perspective, so you have different facets of the truth and all are valid points.

It isn't necessary, professional nor helpful to blurt out everything you know, especially when it may be in flux.  : ok:

Super, I'm an adult too- that has very little to do with certain mindsets and maturity levels, as well as levels of expectation or entitlement.

How are you mistreated? It isn't some inherent right for fans to know inside details - until they are ready to be announced.

When an announcement is ready it will be made, Fernando said in a couple of months we would have news.

We GOT that, didn't we? That kind of generality?  Fernando just said, a couple weeks ago, we should have big news in a couple/few months?

Harkening back to that conversation....Ye gods....the new gnr store that's supposed to sell GnR merch from across the entire breadth of their existence....that could, again, feed nicely into this little trip down the rabbit hole we're taking.

Agree! After the BBF fiasco. I don?t want to see another pathetic statement saying "I don?t understand why Tommy continues to be evasive..." Or yet  "I don?t understand why Richard said 2016 was going to be a great year..."

It is better to just leave things to flow. And just deal with whatever happens.

I believe Tommy is outside the band

You and I have a difference of opinion lets just leave it there. Life is too short. : ok:

Hopefully we will get some real news soon. A reunion would be great, but cant see that happening.

You Have 2 Options:

1- Maybe YES
2- Maybe NOT

 :smoking:

silence is a very old marketing trick to generate demand and curiosity
happy to see it still works in 2015


?speech is silver, silence is golden?

Unless it undermines the direction you are trying to take your organization in. This has all peaked interest in one thing and one thing only, a reunion. The domino's falling, or more appropriately appearing to fall in the direction they have are working these forums and online media outlets into a frenzy about said reunion. If you let that build steam and then follow it up by announcing a tour with John and Jeff Doe on guitar touring on an album that came out in 2008 or an upcoming album that was largely written and produced in the early 2000's your are going to see a negative reaction or at best a very flat reception.

Personally I am happy with shows and music from Axl one way or another, but I am not everyone... and certainly I am not everyone outside of this online fan community.

Your point though is perfectly valid if you assume in the next month or two we are going to get word that Axl, Duff, Slash, and fill in the blanks are touring... Then this speculation fuels the excitement for the announcement when it comes.

But saying "I don't know" when you really do know, but just don't want to comment on (for good reasons) is technically lying, which I think was the point of the original post.  Perhaps the term"liar" is too harsh for some, so perhaps he was mistaken or intentionally diverted conversation away from the truth.

I can say that it sure as hell is keeping me hooked!

Well said.  Agreed all around.

I never get swept up in the reunion stuff.  But its gotten me this time, finally.

And I can't lie.  If, at the end of this, all we get is an announcement Axl has hired 2 more randos so he can keep singing AFD songs in clubs...that's going to be a gutpunch.

No, it's not.

Because his definition of "know" isn't the same as, say, Franks.

Tommy saying "I don't know what's going on, really" isn't necessarily a lie if he he only has the vaguest of outlines or ideas about what's going on.  By his definiton, he doesn't know enough to comment, or want to comment.  There's not enough specifics, FOR HIM, to say "Yeah, I know what's going on".

While (again, as an example) Frank, with those same details, might say "I'm excited for what's coming in 2016".

Neither person lied.  What they did was use their personal (and maybe professional) value judgement on what "Knowing" means.

Let me follow that up:

If, at work, you have bits and pieces of information...but not the whole story...but, say, your boss does...when your coworker, or someone, comes up to you and asks you about that topic, you have a few choices:

1) Relay the bits of information you have, unsure if they are still accurate, timely, or complete...knowing that what info you DO have is probably going to beget a lot more questions that you know you can't answer

2) Express your opinion of the matter with very few specifics

3) Say "I'm not really sure what's going on, really" and refer them to your boss.


I don't think any one of those 3 is lying (#1 may or may not be ill advised, but that would depend)...even if you impart information you think is correct in #1 that turns out not to BE correct.

Frank seems to have chosen #2

Tommy maybe chose #3.

Now, I'm sure, someone comes in and says "Yeah, but the boss is on vacation/unreachable/unwilling to talk about the subject".  Maybe so...but that doesn't change your choices. Or your obligation to choose a specific choice.

This all spiraled because one poster got so upset at the term liar being used. As others pointed out it's just that none of these guys are on the same page. Only time will tell who has a clue and who doesn't.

I also just really hope that we don't get new guy 1 and new guy 2 on guitar next year.

To be honest...I object to it, too.  Emily beat me to pointing out the objection, though.

It's a term we often use here when there are alternate scenarios in play (like being wrong or having circumstances change or, like in this case, having two alternate points of view).

I see you have since agreed that the use of that term probably wasn't apt...so we can move on from there. :)  :peace:  :beer:

Fine...but I just think he knows and is not choosing to say.  And I think he's well within his right not to tell us.

I tend to believe that over he actually doesn't know.  If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band.

First sentence here is great, he is under no obligation-real or imagined, and would be ill-advised to blurt out everything he knows. Only Idiots spew everything they know.

Second sentence here you are ASSUMING that he has somehow been mistreated and you are jumping to the usual conclusions and drama queen antics.  ::)

Poor you, you suffer so greatly in your supposed "fandom"  :crying:

I won't be alone on that either, my dear.

So you will have no shortage of people that can add to your list of folks you try and sell that long delays that lead to nothing are super awesome.

You should be rooting harder than anyone, frankly.  An absurd delay that leads to a great payoff is a favorable outcome.  An absurd delay that leads to nothing is basically what we've been going through the past few years.

How do you feel that's going over with the peeps?  Pretty well, is it?

Your impression that I am trying to "sell" anything to anyone is yet another case of you being wrong. My opinions here are my own and are not intended to "sell" or convert anyone.   :-*

I bet being wrong so much is a real "gut punch" too.

I wouldn't know.  Check with someone that's wrong a lot, would be my suggestion.

Are you seriously denying the level of excitement around here and the other forums lately?  Can you give me even one example in the past, say, 3-4 years that holds a candle to any of this?

D-Gen, I wouldn't be holding your breath for that reunion either.....same guy still runs the show in either case.  : ok:

I believe you're assuming that I'm assuming he's been mistreated.  Stop projecting your toxic negativity.  : ok:

All I'm saying is if he truly doesn't know, it's shitty.  He should know, and, IMO, he does, so I don't believe he's being mistreated at all.  I believe he's being evasive about the question, and I think he's right to do so.  Because it's not his place...because he's not in the band anymore.  But you can wait for the official announcement on that one.  

I still think its an incredible longshot.

But its something new.  Its something potentially exciting.  That alone has merit.

Can we really say people are getting the same level of enjoyment twiddling their thumbs as Axl starts looking very seriously at what he's doing in regards to releasing the second half of Chinese?

This potential reunion is probably not going to pan out for us.  But I think its disingenuous to say that what Axl's been doing the past few years is doing much for us either.

Define "past few years" and "us".



/jarmo

If it's taken over a year to figure out what to do with an album that "already recorded" how long do you think it will take to put a reunion together???  I know, I know, Axl is not to blame for any of that, it's [insert myriad of excuses ranging from artistic integrity to crooked record execs].

10/2/2011 onwards, and a plurality of the fanbase.

Look at the facts.  There hasn't been any real fire for this band the past few years.  Lot of waiting, lot of frustration.  And that's among die hard fans.

We were already seeing people say for the first time they will have to give some thought to seeing more shows if its just the same old shit with no new album or sense of progression.

Obviously, you will always be able to drum up Emily or some other loyal soldier to regale us with an anecdote about how they took a trip to Vegas and it was just the best time in the history of ever.

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

And, for about the 47th time, this longshot reunion talk only further dominates due to the fact nothing interesting has happened with the current band in years.

A tour, not much.

Any sort of new recording would be a herculean task, but I don't think that's in the cards under any circumstances anyway.

Who is disputing the level of wagging tongues? Straw man diversion.

You have been told by someone in the know how wrong most of your little assumptions are.  :-*

I think that's fair.  I saw them in Chicago in 2011 & '12, and had a blast.  But the last time there was something new and truly exciting in the air?  Yeah, 2010 shows I think.

I was always under the impression that Chinese Democracy was going to be an opening of the floodgates of sorts as far as the band releasing tons more new music, etc.  Once I saw that wasn't happening, the way it had always been eluded to up until the release itself, it really took the wind out of my sails as a fan quite a bit.  

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the plan isn't to put this stuff out ASAP...Well, why the hell not a reunion?

Yeah, of course you'd use yourself as an example of some kind of mass movement to validate your opinion.

So you're saying the thousands of fans attending the shows don't mean shit? Since you're focusing on people like yourself who rather stayed at home.

Define people and excited.  :P
I saw plenty of people be excited about GN'R every time the intro rolled....  :)

The bottom line is, you can never please everybody. Even if there was the magical mystery reunion tour, some would rather stay at home....



/jarmo

Take what you get (and love it, you ungrateful fuck):  A guide to being a Guns n Roses fan.

Catchy title, really.

Here's what you wrote-

"I tend to believe that over he actually doesn't know.  If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band."
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Your words not mine, so continue to dance around and pretend you didn't say that. You were clearly insinuating he has somehow been "mistreated".  ::)

You guys are like a bunch of gossipy old housewives at a back fence.

Lol, you're not wrong.  :hihi:

But seriously, you can go to a GNR show, have a great time...And still be disappointed that the band is essentially a stagnant touring act with no new music in the cards.  That's what they've been since 2011...Until they're not.

So...we'll just go ahead and put you down as a no, then.  A "no" on another example from the past few years that holds a candle to any of this.

That's not a diss.  Its the only logical answer.

Its actually become the best reason for it, probably.  By his own inaction, Axl has only further stoked those fires.

Even a guy like me, who has been laughing at reunionists for 10 years, I'm ready to say why the hell not.  What else is really going on here?

Debunked as a relevant answer long ago, and that dismissal still applies.

Get some new material, ace.

I think the theater shows in 2012 generated a LOT of excitement (and quite a bit of press). They might be roughly on par with this...though this is getting more press because, IF it's all true......

Likewise, I think the Vegas residencies were exciting to a good number of folks....it's harder to gauge, IMHO, how "big" those were.

'Cause silence isn't golden.... When I'm holding it inside?    Confirm it Axl!! Let the biggest tour in history rock our world 2016! : ok: :peace:

The whole thing is so silly.

Premise : There doesn't seem to be much widespread excitement for anything the past few years.  This would at least be something new.

Rebuttal : I was standing on the side of the stage with a lanyard around my neck and saw a guy in the 3rd row rocking out.  So, I'm pretty sure its all good in the hood, smartguy.

Solid answer, right there.

Please.

Hell, I've been one of the biggest banner wavers for the next album on the boards, really since the touring started in late '09.  But it's been 6 years.  That's a lot of time to spend *not* figuring out how to release an essentially finished album.  And if for all the tea in China Team Brazil & Axl can't figure that out, well, what's the next best thing?

The UCAP shows, you mean?  Perhaps.  Though I think even they were trumped by the first residency, probably.

But come 2014, it was sort of a rerun.  They are going to Vegas!! (again)  To play a residency (again!!)  And its pretty much the same show (you liked it before, why not now??)

I'm just coming from the angle that this may all well be a pipe dream.  But its something new.  Its exciting.

Are we really going to compare it to possibly finding our there will be a third residency in 2016, with 2 guys named Harry on guitar?

See, this is where people take exception to some of the things you post. Right here.  Can you spot why, in your premise?

I understand that "premise" is, semantically, "theory"...so maybe it, in itself, is meant to indicate that it's your opinion you're posting.

But you're essentially saying, above: My opinion trumps yours.

That's not really the case.  Your OPINION is there doesn't seem to be much widespread excitement the past few years.

HIS OPINION is that, given his anecdotal observations, that doesn't seem to be true..because he's seen people's excitement levels.  And more than just the denizens of this forum..the people buying tickets.

I'd offer neither trumps the other..so, in essence, it IS a solid answer.  Or at least as solid as the premise provided.

You're asking him to ignore his eyeballs.  He's asking you to ignore your gut feeling. I'd say that's a solid impasse, quite frankly.

I point out a straw man diversion tactic, and you not only ignore that, you attempt to answer it for me.  :hihi:

Nobody is denying the current shitstorm of gossip and the innudation of everybody's special little interpretations of current events. That is a point nobody is arguing.

I'm not big on conclusion jumping, I prefer to wait on an actual reality. Weird huh.  ;D

Incorrect.

I'm saying anecdotal evidence from a guy that bought a ticket to see a show is a poor argument as a representative sample of the group at large.

Who the fuck DOESN'T have fun at a show?  What do you figure the percentage of people that have a good time at concerts is?  98%?  99%?  And I'm only allowing those 1 or 2 percentage points for the people that drank too much in the parking lot and passed out and never made it in.

What relevance does that have on the big picture?

In short, I am not disputing people in the crowd had fun *that night* and sang along with other fans *that night*.

But as someone just pointed out, once you left the building, did that mean you still felt super awesome about where things were?  Do they go hand in hand?

Yes, UCAP...though I think the early portion in the more intimate venues generated more buzz...because it wasn't something they'd really done a lot of.  The Euro portion sold tickets like mad, but I don't think it got the same buzz or excitement (certainly not the same KIND of press) the early shows got.  It was wildly successful, and I'm sure those in attendance loved the shows. But I think having the opportunity to be 10 feet from the band might have whipped up a bit more frenzy. ;)

Just MHO, and I'm biased, maybe, cause I was at one of those shows.

I was uber excited for the 2014 residency because, until about a month prior, I was going to be on a plane, seeing GnR, pretty much on my birthday.  I know there was a LOT of buzz on the various forums, and there was some press.  Again, maybe not the level of press we've seen over the past week, but...again...I suspect that level of press is at least as much mercenary (for the press outlets) as it is actual buzz.

It may be semantics, but if you know anything about touring- you can't be "stagnant" and tour as much as GNR has. Look up the definition.

Touring is a huge undertaking, not a stagnant activity at all.

I have a feeling you are just complaining about new material though.

Why is it a bad thing, though?

The past few days have seen all sorts of excitement and discussion of some different topics.

If they don't pan out, they don't pan out.

You debunked facts?

I see.



Who are you referring to here?  ???

Edited to add: What part does the lanyard or the positioning of the person have to do with anything? Why isn't the premise listed in a similar way? For example: "As a wrestling watching Bon Jovi fan, sitting in front of my computer, there doesn't seem....."


Maybe the problem is that you base your so called opinion on what you see on the Internet.
For some of us, it's a bit more than that....  :)


You also seem to be under the impression that my opinion is based on people that are only excited at a show. Please.
Remember that time last year when you tried to make people less excited by pointing out the track record GN'R has (in your mind) of cancelling a lot of shows?

That was in 2014. Fans were making plans, being excited about the upcoming residency, and you.... You were just doing your usual Debbie Downer routine...

Yes, I brought it up again. You're welcome. :)


There's really no need for you to disrespect the past.



/jarmo

You are correct, that is semantics.  ;)

Disrespect the past?

Seem to me like a lot of people are not only not disrespecting the past, they are celebrating the shit out of it and hope it might some day come again.

And go ahead and put me in their number.  Usually, I don't take part in these discussions.  This time, I'm all in.

As opposed to anecdotal evidence and observations of the guy sitting behind a keyboard on an internet forum. Which also might not be the strongest basis for a premise. No?  I mean....you don't have any more reliable evidence, survey, or polling that says otherwise. Right.

So...again...that's what you're doing.  It might not be your intent...but it's what you're doing.  "My" anecdotal observation trumps "your" anecdotal observation.  

Given the lack of solid ground of the premise, it doesn't take much to call that premise into question.  Anecdotal observations from a show would be just as solid...which is to say, not very.

What you are saying though, is you have your finger on pulse of what is relevant these days.  What is "in".  Who likes what...  

Some how you...  Who is where ever it is you are.  Can figure out what the pulse of the world wide guns n rose fan base is...

Based off what?  The internet?  Geeks on the street talking?

While I will truely support that, the talk of guns has truely picked up.  And the support the band would get from old fans returning to the fold would be out of this world

I feel the world wide demand for Axl and "axls" gnr is still fairly high.  And the excitment of seeing them live is still there.   MB not in your neck of the woods.....   But most places I have been to see them it is

I sort of see your point.  But don't agree with you as strongly as I have on some of your others.

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

Yes, you're disrespecting the past. Imagine that. :D

It was a joke by the way.
Something some people like to throw around if you actually supported the band after the old band disbanded....

Edited to add: Before somebody sensitive starts typing a response. I didn't make claims that nobody is excited about the reunion rumors or made some kind of comparisons on the level of excitement. I merely disagreed with a certain Internet poster's assumption that pretty much nobody's been excited about anything GN'R related in years just because he hasn't. Just more of the same generalizations in order to make yourself feel more important.



/jarmo

I had my unlce, who lives on the other side of the country send me a email last week.   To quote him

"Bacon, your buddy Buckethead is out of guns and Slash is back in!"

hahaha

Your words not mine, so continue to dance around and pretend you didn't say that. You were clearly insinuating he has somehow been "mistreated".  ::)

You guys are like a bunch of gossipy old housewives at a back fence.
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Holy shit, really?  Re-read my first five words you quoted.  "I tend to believe that"  The "that" in that statement is that he actually knows but is choosing not to talk about it.  That means, for avoidance of doubt, I actually feel he is not being mistreated.  

IF I am wrong (and from what I glean from this board posters are never wrong...except D-X) then I think it's a shitty way for Tommy to go out.

I hope that clears it up for you.  

Hahahaha

I was talking to a lady the other night, via twitter.  She's a huge Disney nut (like me) and we typically talk about that topic.  She knows I'm a GnR fan.  She asked me the same question.

I answered her pretty much the same way I always do "Snowballs chance in hell".  And followed up with something new "But I hear a whisper of a rumor that Satan's ordered air conditioning installed."

For me, who, like you, has thought the chances of a reunion were somewhere between zero, something devided by 0, and negative infinity, that's about the most movement on the topic as I've made in about 20 years.  IMHO, it's significant.

I won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen.  I'll be happy if it does...or doesn't AND we get some new incarnation of the band.  But this is the first time I've even allowed myself to entertain the notion of a notion of a notion that it could even be a feasible endgame.  It's the first time I've ever even really entertained in, or participated in, the discussion.  I still view it as fantasy.....but now it's like "what would I do if I won the lottery" fantasy and not "this is like talking about pigs flying, with space lasers attached to their sides, and shooting bullets out their asses" fantasy.

More straw man idiocy-

I simply mentioned that it was happening, that is an undeniable fact. Tongues are wagging, opinions are being typed, people are crawling out of the woodwork- that is apparent.

I didn't say it was a "bad thing" anywhere.

I did mention I tend to disregard the majority of the gossip and wait for official news.

Is english your first language????

FWIW, I think that's a totally valid position to take on all this...and I don't think it's exclusive to Emily.

In the world of Disney parks (I hate to belabor that topic, but...it's valid), stuff is handled very much like it is with GnR.  They keep everything top secret, close to the vest, and very little info leaks out.  You're left to try to put together bits and pieces, read through esoteric construction filings with the county, etc.  They don't announce anything til they're ready to announce it.  Hell, they were building an entire Vacation Club resort expansion, had poured the foundations and were moving in steel, and were still denying and not commenting at every question....until they announced it officially on their time.

Rumors do leak out, and pieces ARE put together.  Sometimes they're right (the new Star Wars land at both Disneyland and Disney Hollywood Studios). Sometimes they're not (The "Flying Door" Coaster from Monsters, Inc or Carsland at Hollywood Studios).

There are PLENTY of folks who say...you know what...call me when Bob Iger is on the stage making an announcement.  Til then, I just don't care about the rumors.

And there are those who take every little piece of info, dissect it, internalize it, and postulate, and discuss it into the ground.

I don't think there's anything wrong with either one....

Gotta hand it to you, that was a solid zing!
I laughed.

All in good fun of course.
Everyone knows Jarmo and D-Den are my internet BFF?s.

Hahahaha

Spot on.  I used to look at all reunion topics with "what are you, an idiot?" vibes.  

I always felt hardcore GNR fans should know better than ANYONE how remote it was.  I saw the fact some of our own number were talking the way you might expect the ultimate casual fan to talk as totally ridiculous.

But now, yeah, I'm intrigued.

No, Kilngon.

It seems like you think its bad. 

And if we only heard from you once we got "official news", we'd never heard form you.

That is funny!

But god damn, Jarmo.  Get your thoughts in order before you post.  Always going back and adding shit afterwards. 

And sometimes, as we see here, its good.  I laughed.

Oh- It "seems" like I think it is bad, so therefore your WRONG interpretation gels and transubstantiates into fact in your brain.  That may be part of your problem, stating opinion as if it is truth.

And if we only heard from you when you actually knew something  or reported actual, real news- we would never hear from you.

careful with what you write, dude  :hihi:

So your uncle never heard of BBF and DJ?  God bless his soul :hihi: Tell your uncle I take him to see  a GN?R reunion show... If it happens  ???

Hahaha, he has taste.

And he is 58 and single.  I am very sure he would love a date with a Princess!!

Thanks.

That's the downside of trying to multitask....  :hihi:




/jarmo

Hey now Bacon, this isn't a lonely hearts club band fan forum  :hihi:

hahaha

 :hihi: You are one of the few people here I feel I can joke with.

Because usually...if youre a member in a band, you will be therr if something new is gonna happen.
Unless youre not in a band or just a hired musician

I think the key is to not take it all too seriously. The current situation will always lend itself to wild speculation until some sort of official statement is made either by GNR management or Axl himself.

Until then.... the same wild innuendo and speculation will continue i guess.

And you are basing this on what, exactly???

But the attractions do eventually open, right?  Eventually a finished product is produced?

When people express interest in one of these projects, are they told Mickey doesn't owe them?  Not one god damn thing?

Not always. No. Disney announced a golf course at wdw...that is now the site of saratoga springs dvc resort. They announced new retail outlet that was abandoned. They promised refurb and reopening of river country...which never happened. So, in short...nope. And thats stuff they actually announced. Happens in California, too, at Disneyland.

The rumored stuff? About 50/50. Maybe less than that.

And when they do build...they do it at a glacially slow pace, usually. They just announced toy story land and star wars land expansions. Those will be complete in late 2020 or 2021. And even when complete...they won't be complete (and everyone wont be happy with them).

And...yeah, they often are told very similar things. Hollywood studios has been a mess for years. People have complained. People want a 5th park. People want better food quality given the prices. People want more rides, different shows, lots of stuff. And there is similar emotional investment and sentimentality. Similar division over various eras of the business (what would walt, roy, eisner, or iger do...nevermind the  micro different exec teams runnng each park/resort at different times). Debates over lineups", and  creative/imagineering, and money and....

And, often, people explain why they won't get those things they want. Why it makes zero sense for the company to provide them. And yes....iger/disney doesn't owe you anything is very often used in discussion. To vote with your wallet. Consume or don't. Go on vacation there, or go somewhere ekse you might be happier.

When i say the parrelells are strong, i'm not really kidding or stretching. Yes, there are big differences too. And you'll say that..well...Disney is providing SOMETHING, at least. An ongoing product to consume at the parks. Many, though, would make the same sort of stagnation arguments, with customers potentially leaving, that get made here. But thats not really all that relevant to the point i was making: its natural for a segment of folks to want to wait until there is official official news. Just as its natural for others to want to discuss the latest rumors.

I know, this is sorta off topic. But i am trying to tie it back to make a point, here.

No, I get what you're saying.

I knew I liked you... I've had my family down to WDW 3 times in the past 24 months, and we're planning our next trip. With a 7 year old and 4 year old twins, it's sort of the perfect family vacation. There are a few cast members that we have run into every time we are there. For example, we have had the same waiter, Cinderella, and Anastasia at the 1900 Park Fare (Grand Floridian) and they know my 7 year old by name when they see her (maybe Magic Bands in action too... Good old 'Big Data' analytics)

To your last point, I get it. BUT... they are also masters at marketing, which is where this group falls way short. You mentioned the Star Wars Land announcement from D23, that is Disney not letting the momentum of the upcoming movie get away from them, and in some cases when a wild rumor like Disney World Dallas/Fort Worth comes up, they address it. I just don't see that level of market awareness with this camp. If the reunion isn't happening I feel like you have to address this topic and control the conversation.

Yup, we are dvc members and go just about every year. Heading down in mid oct, in fact. We are also 5 (kds 13,11,9). Disboards.com is your friend. ;)


No, thats definitely true. There are def differences, and thats a big one. And there are similarities.

But it doesn't really deflect from my initial point about news vs rumors.  The rest was just showing the apt parallels to get the translation.

People say things like "i don't see this type of stuff on other bands forums". I dont know about that because i don't visit. But i can say....there are very similar discussions in other passionate fanbases, like those surrounding disney parks, video games, etc. 

It is a very valid point, and I totally get the parallels.

One could make the argument that especially since the 2000s that fans of bands, sports teams, movies etc- think they can complain enough to turn things their way, look at the slew of online complaints when a show is cancelled or when someone is cast in a movie that isn't a popular choice.

I've even seen fans rail at authors that don't release books on a schedule that doesn't mesh with what fans want, or expect.

Hate to use the "entitlement" word, since some here appear to have an allergy to it's very mention, but it is a very real occurance.

Sorry for the seeming off topic, but I thought it was relevant.

I think I explained my point of view already. To me it looks like Tommy's being careful about what he says.
Or he just doesn't know!



/jarmo

Can you agree that even if it is just someone being careful about what they say, the way he choose to 'carefully' not give anything up was interesting. There was little (no) detail on what is coming in 2016, but he almost went to far in the other direction in sharing just how out of the loop he has been since Vegas. Also he is in a band with Frank, so he has to have at least a  slight understanding of what Frank said just following DJ's departure, and the acknowledgement of Ron's departure... so taking such a strong position in the other way is curious.

Obviously it can mean anything, and is not confirmation of anything... I just find it interesting is all.

That's the thing about being a hired gun, either you're part of the plans for a tour or you're not, but you're not involved in any of the real planning or agenda. So it's true none of them should know what's goin on unless it's directly related to them or needs their schedule.

Yeah. I see your point.

Do you think it would've been better to say something like "I heard there's plans for 2016, but I don't know what those plans are exactly"?


/jarmo

No, i think regardless of what anyone asks them about Guns N' Roses, they're not in the position to comment because none of them actually makes the plans for that band, they might be part of the plans but NDA's exist for a reason.

They've all said it and we should just accept they're in the band for their music skills and nothing more. The only one that can comment on the future of GN'R is Axl and he seems to think silence is the best marketing tool or he really is on vacation but either way he doesn't speak either.


Still, it's gotta be hard being seen as the member of a band where you're not really a member, you're a paid musician with a contract. So any question like that has to be a pain in the ass to answer and at the end of the day there never really is a good answer because we're still asking the wrong person about something they can't talk about.

I'm not saying he could have done it any better, but you can see why the amateur detective work kicks up here though... While a lot of the players are gone, this is still the same group of people that chased riddles around for weeks back in 2002ish.

I don't know if that would have been better... but at least it wouldn't have sounded as contradictory as Richard and Frank's statements on the subject.

Granted, Tommy might not have known that they other two had made public comments on the subject.

My take from this interview is that Dj and Ron never actually quit, since the band didn't exist at the time.  The Vegas lineup disbanded in June 2014 for an indefinite hiatus.  Rather than wait for word on when that hiatus would end, DJ and Ron just decided to move on to permanent gigs outside of Guns.  Tommy seems to be almost in the same boat, except he at least says that he might re-up in the future.

In terms of what that means for a reunion, I'm not sure it means too much, to be honest.  I think Tommy would have stepped aside at any time if a reunion was in the cards.  Of course, the bigger deal is that there are guitarist slots open... that, coupled with Slash saying all is 'cool' understandably is causing some madness, but I think we're still pretty far off from having legit cause to unleash the reunion balloons.  I think we'll have actual clarity on all of this in a month or so, one way or the other.

Well hiatus means break no? As in plans to return... those guitar players have made it clear they don't intend to return no? Semantics probably.

I dont think anyone has said they would never come back/

I dont think anyone has said that any of the modern lineup guys wouldnt be welcomed back  (Including Bucket and Robin)

Correct.

It would just be a question of caliber.  As in, what caliber of gun would you have to stick in their back to get them to do it?

A gun full of money and creative control

"Left it in Vegas" sounds like there were no plans to return at the time.  It doesn't rule out that plans might be made later, but after June 2014, it appears that there was no band for anyone to quit.  

I think the only reason that DJ is the only one that's made an official announcement is because he was under pressure from Nikki Sixx to commit 100% to Sixx AM, whereas the rest of them, maybe even Ron, can "think about" coming back if the band is restarted. 

Yeah... that sounds about right. Like you said... hopefully in a few weeks there will be some clarity ... or at least hopefully we can rule out some scenarios.

So when all those Album Plaques where sent out to band members...   There was actually a lot of symbolism behind them.   Sorta like a thank you to the guys, and closing out of that chapter of the guns n roses story

Maybe, just don't know why they would want to close that chapter before releasing the album with the remaining Chinese-era songs.  I loved CD, so I'm dying to hear those other songs.  Some day, one day, I guess. 

Well most of the material that hasnt been released was not written by DJ or Ron.   So thats not a problem there.   Tommys influence would be huge on any unreleased stuff I think though.....   

If the old bad does get back together, the demand for guns will be huge

Any album released would sell huge!!   it would be very easy for them just to release a album already recorded and have that sell huge.

It just wont happen if the old guys are back in the band and touring.  If anything we will get a couple of one off songs, from the newly formed band on a soundtrack or something...   

Then in many years, the vault will open and CD 2.0 will sqeek out

I actually wonder if Buckethead would be welcomed back, he really jerked the band and management around. I know Axl does have a soft spot for him (which I try and try to understand, but can't).

Maybe it's not Axl's decision anymore? If the Chinese Whispers breakdown of the events is to be believed, the record company seemed to have forced some reworking of CD over the years, maybe the same thing has happened this time and Axl doesn't have the energy nor what he feels is the support system in place to do it to his liking, or maybe the label just flat out refused to release it. The question would be (and this is where my understanding of the legal aspects is lacking) who controls the actual content of the recorded material? Axl and Black Frog? Geffen?

Edited to add: I am not trying to pass off anything above as fact... please don't jump to that conclusion...

Could be... Axl's quote about "seriously looking into that" (or whatever he said exactly) I suppose wouldn't rule out external obstacles like those, but seemed to me to more suggest that anything left to do on that album was mostly in his hands. 

Maybe AXL:

- FUCK YOU GEFFEN, FUCK YOU UNIVERSAL, FUCK YOU ALL -

Vacations, Think, Relax, Meditate For One Excelent NewDisc & World Tour 2016

 :beer:

Understood, but I meant by closing that chapter, was not so much goodbye to Ron/DJ, but to closing the book on releasing/touring all the CD-era music.  By all accounts, more music still exists.  I think you're right though, if there's a reunion, that stuff likely gets pushed to to the back of the vault and becomes pension material.  But... would a reunion mean that the mid-90s recordings get dragged out from the vault?

If you mean mid 90s recoding from the old members, Slash/Duff...  I doubt there is anything there.   Anything that may have been recordered, was then re-re-re-re-re-re-recorded.  Or brought to another bands table, (snake pit, VR)

If there is a reunion.  And they decide to work on something.  I feel it will be totally fresh

I just have this feeling there is little to no contact between Axl and the label. 

No who owns the vault material recordings, from CD?  Thats a good question

The label did cut off funding and Axl sunk a ton of his own money in the recordings.  Does that mean he owns all the vault and the label is off the hook after the album came out?  I wouldnt think so.  I would think that it would be a 70-30 split, with the label still owning 70 percent of the recordings.

No possibly the label does not want to burn a guns n roses album on this material.  For example there are two albums left of the record deal.  Perhaps the label is holding out for a reunion album to cover at least one of those spots.....   Before any other material will be released

I Know That:

- SEVENTH DISC OF GUNS N' ROSES IS CHNESE DEMOCRACY STYLE -

 :smoking:

I don?t think there is soft spot. You don?t have to believe me, just read the statement Axl issued about Buckethead?s departure. It was as bitter or worst than when Slash left. So if Axl has to make out with one of the 2 then Slash makes more sense. They made history together, and they have more things in common like the early days, the friends from those days and the wild things they did together

You are omitting Merck's shade on the Bucket situation, if someone is given wrong or misleading information then their reaction cannot honestly be judged honestly imo.

Matt Sorum did say that there were 7 songs recorded and 7 songs in the writing stage for the mid-90s.

I totally agree

If Axl had any resentment towards bucket. He wouldn't of been on CD at all.....   I think Axl was played a little bit, by certain people.  I think Axl really liked Bucket and was pissed.   But was pissed when he really shouldn't of been

Look for that reunion in 15 years. Hahah

Because nobody knows where Izzy is

Axl seemed to have softened towards Buckethead when he said he'd share his Dr. Pepper with him once Chinese Democracy was released. It's also widely rumored that Ron only joined 2 weeks before the first Hammerstein show because Axl was trying to do everything in his power to get Buckethead to rejoin.

I rly don't get what I am missing that the reunionists don't. It doesn't make any sense.

 

This isn't even a rumor, it is wishfull thinking and speculation.




It certainly appear he is positive to keep going when asked.




He said:

'of course I?d have to think about it'



Most likely he will it seems.

We are at 'Of course' he consider to make GNR (live/touring) a priority over his solocareer (live/touring). No?

TOMMY SAID HE HAS NOT QUIT THE BAND

How the fuck can you spin it to 'he is out and a reunion is imminent?' Liek wtf :P


Wont happen. Not in this lifetime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GySgwfYOOA)

GNR has ended a tour and last we heard the next step is to release new music. 


Speak for yourself. If he leaves the club before screaming out WTTJ I will riot. What would he sing with duff and slash?

And 'two more' what? Buckethead, Richard Fortus , Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba are randoms? A reunion ($$$) wont give us a new AFD, it would be a TSI'ish album I betcha.


You are entitled to your opinion, but Tommy has 'nothing but gratitude (http://www.startribune.com/tommy-stinson-replacements-run-was-special-but-it-s-time-to-move-on/323903361/)'. Him not knowing is unlikely a treatment, but a mere consequence.

 Exactly why would Axl eat his own words, leave Tommy behind and reunite?

Because things can change

Bucket is an amazingly talented guitarist, even if people dont like his quirky eccentricity his talent can't be denied. I think there are factors surrounding his exit that are not known.

I much preferred him over BBF, and own a fair amount of Bucket's music.

Exactly, look how things have changed in a little over a year. Most people are creatures of habit, and resist change- but, look at the way GNR has changed and evolved right from the start.

Axl wont change, I am pretty sure. Become friends and even guest on Slash-shows? yea... Reunion? I think not.


Buckethead is my god. :peace: I think BBF fits the 06-era more tho.

None of them are true bandmembers, but soloists. You can only hold on to them for so long.

Bucket was apparantly open with the others about using the band to promote himself. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but you get my drift.

BBF was a good stunt player, won't delve in to the self promotion and spin there.

Anyone in a legendary band like GNR is bound to boost their visibility and popularity- that is a given.

No. It means he would think about it. The english connotation is that he's not certain. The "of course" isn't an inducation of "sureness" in saying yes. its an inducation of sureness that he wouldn't immediately say no.  He would think about it.

So...no....he didn't say he would definitely go. He said he would definitrly think about going, maybe.

The way he phrased it..while he did not quit, or get fired...his part pretty much ended in vegas.

Thats what he actually said.

To put it another way: if you are doing a contract job, and that contract ends..you did not quit or walk away. The contract just ended.

They could be good to you, you could move on to something else afterwards, you could, if they called you back and asked you to come back, think about returning (maybe, depending on whats going on, what they offer, etc). But..lif you aren't hearing from them..done is done.

Thats the way the actual words he wrote sound. It might not be what he meant...we don't. But its the way its phrased.

He was legit sick, for awhile. For a long while.  He hasnt talked a lot about the specifics, but......the indications were it was sorta a serious illness.

Did I say those words?



Correction: 'We just all sort of left it in Vegas'



And what exactly is new here?


Sounds as a pretty vivid conclusion drawn from a preconceived notion to me. No offense. To me it seems like Tommy is still in the band and that he will most likely postpone/halt solostuff when/if GNR gonna tour or record. A reunion won't happen in this lifetime but him and Slash are 'friends' again. 

I have heard rumors, and I think it's very valid, but have heard no specifics.

That is the clearest, most concise explanation and interpretation on his interview I have read yet. Totally agree 100%

Ok so what did I miss here?  ???

I see nothing that supports the reunion-theory or that Tommy is no longer the baseplayer in GNR whenever it reactivates.


That was a while after leaving GnR.  I remember what was written on his site 'slip disc snuck in and Bucket has to replace some animatronic parts' or smt like that.

Buckethead left to pursue his solocareer and due to Axl's inabillity to release new music.


Edit:

thar: http://www.mtv.com/news/1485811/bucketheads-hand-puppet-says-goodbye-to-guns-n-roses/

Well, Bucket was wrong about "Inability to release new music", CD was released in 2008. I also believe there was more to it that hasn't been made public.

Buckethead left in 04.





mhm Buckethead going away is the best thing that could've happened to the band. - Tommy Stinson

I'm aware when he left, my statement still stands.

I have this bet with a buddy of mine

Over drinks one night I bet him 1000 bucks I could beat him in a 100m race.  We shook on it and it's official.

The bet was around 6 years ago and still stands, as we never agreed on a time.  He is in really good shape.   One of these days.  Mb in 10 years I may suck it up and get into race shape and challenge him.  Then be like ah ha! I told you I could bet you

Sorta like Axl

Ah ha!   I did release new music Buckethead!    Hahaha

Well yeah Tommy didn?t confirm he left. But reading the interview he doesn?t sound neither excited nor interested in GN?R. I think there are many ways to say things. BBF was a great example of that. And reading the last paragraph he sounds pretty much like DJ in his farewell letter

TOMMY SAID HE HAS NOT QUIT THE BAND

 :hihi:

Its a pretty obvious conclusion giving his phrasing. You can come to a different one..thats fine....but its tough to make an argument that the opposing one isn't equally valid. Because its what he said. It might not be true...we don't know. But, at this point, we don't know either one is true, so....

I'd offer your conclusion is equally shaky, based on your own preconceived notions and desires. No offense.

Where does it say, for example, he "most likely" would postpone or halt his solo stuff to rejoin? Those words aren't there. I'm not sure where that conclusion comes from.  If he were actually that conclusive in the words he used, we wouldn't...any of us...be having this discussion.

The reunion and tommy not being an active member, really, are two different discussions. I get why one might add fuel to the fire of the other, but they can be considered separately.

I'm still not convinced a reunion is imminent. I still think its a super long shot. I also think, at this point, Tommy does not consider himself an active member of GnR. My opinions, only. I'm not out to convince anyone else.

People seem to (illogilcly)) interpret him to fit into a reunion-theory.

It shouldn't come as a suprise but it looks parts in the article itself is written to suggest a gnr-reunion. It's hot news and a public demand.



What does it mean? 'active member' They all just left after Vegas. He hasn't quit as he stated, unlike others. So what is it? He is kicked from the band to be replaced by Duff? Thats what you are suggesting?

 To this I am gonna give you all a big fat LOL!

Give us a source.  When did you hear these rumors. :P

Tommy Stinson: "I reach out once in a while to that crew of people ? a lot of whom are also my good friends ? but I really have no idea what's going on," he said. "I didn't quit the gig or walk away from it. We just all sort of left it in [Las] Vegas."

Was simply responding to Pilferk's comment, maybe you need to reread the conversation to understand the context.

Let's talk about it in a few weeks, I'm sure nothing will be announced. About this article/ interview, I just understand the band is on hiatus, which is pretty obvious since July 2014. I don't see anything new.

Has anyone even seen a picture of Axl Rose since July 2014? It's been more than a year and I doubt he spent that time talking to Slash or whatever.

What makes u doubt it? You know axls daily schedule?

No, i'm saying he considers his time with the band at a logical end. His own words would lead you to that conclusion.

And if they came to him with a proposal, he would consider rejoining. But it would not be a sure thing, or even a most likely thing.

But..rejoining means...not currently joined with.

Laugh all you want. You said you don't "understand" , wondering what you mssed and why people think what they are thinking. It's been expkained, now. It has logical and semantic grounds. You can disagree..,but you should at least understand where the other folks are coming from.

Because if thats what it is...."hey, we're all on a little break but we'll regroup at some point"...thats what you say, and how you say it

He didn't. I agree..the phrasing is vague. But it can be read more than one way.  Yes..we all.

Except Frank and Richard, apparently.

And the rest of the "we" walked away, for good, it sounds.

So...yeah...when you say "we" and in the next breath say "i'd consider it if the modern lineup cones back together", rather than saying "i'll be ready when the break is over, whenever that is"...yes, i think theres a connotation there that people are going to take away.

If you don't, or want to wait for something more concrete, before you even entertain the notion..fait enough.

Glass half full people!!! 

Didn't the same thing happen for a significant time period before Chinese Democracy was released?  The other band members were doing their own thing while Axl and whomever were busy mixing n' mastering n' doing whatever on the business end of getting the album released.

I take this "recess" by the other band members as a positive indication that their parts of CD II are done and the only thing left to do is the technical/business stuff that doesn't involve them and therefore allows them this time to hone their craft in whatever way they see fit until GNR is again ready to tour or whatever to promote the release of CD II.

   

Nope.
Its quite an accomplishment for someone that famous to be so much out of the public eye.

I think between Japan 2007 and Taiwan 2009 not a single pic of him got out.

Yes Sr.

 :smoking:

So you're saying Dizzy and Pitman are gone as well?

The band consists right now of Richard, Frank and Axl?

I don?t think it is a matter of what we are saying. It is about what Tommy seems to be saying. Honestly I?m having a BBF deja vu with this Tommy interview

Maybe it?s a stupid question, but didn?t Tommy used to follow GNR and Axl on twitter? Well, he doesn?t follow them now

Oh, snap, a Twitter burn! I'm now more convinced than ever.

Seriously, as Princess said, this is BBF deja vu all over again (albeit with much less passive aggressive antics).  Tommy.  Is.  Out.   

Agree with Pilferk, Great synopsis and summary.  : ok:

Nothing was delivered
And I tell this truth to you
Not out of spite or anger
But simply because it?s true
Now, I hope you won?t object to this
Giving back all of what you owe
The fewer words you have to waste on this
The sooner you can go

Nothing is better, nothing is best
Take heed of this and get plenty of rest

Nothing was delivered
But I can?t say I sympathize
With what your fate is going to be
Yes, for telling all those lies
Now you must provide some answers
For what you sell has not been received
And the sooner you come up with them
The sooner you can leave

Nothing is better, nothing is best
Take heed of this and get plenty rest

(Now you know)
Nothing was delivered
And it?s up to you to say
Just what you had in mind
When you made ev?rybody pay
No, nothing was delivered
Yes, ?n? someone must explain
That as long as it takes to do this
Then that?s how long that you?ll remain

Nothing is better, nothing is best
Take heed of this and get plenty rest



Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/nothing-was-delivered#ixzz3l3mq1odA

The keyboards never count. :p

But......how about a "good sized chunk of we walked away, for good, it seems"

Honestly, if thats the biggest objection to my point....not counting dizzy and pittman in a monentary lapse....i'm good with it.

Edit: i'd also point out that Dizzy isn't necessarily part of "we", since he crosses between modern and uyi lineups. So it would depend what tommy meant by "we", i guess.

Dizzy isn't going anywhere.....

I don't think anyone was really suggesting he was.

He was pointing out i forgot them (i did..literally.for a sec).

Oversight and corrected. So, yeah...nobody was suggesting he did/would. Not really.

I don't think Tommy is gone.  He said himself he didn't quit or walk away.  He sounds frustrated that after a year, when he's "reached out", he still doesn't know what is going on.

It's almost the same thing Richard said this July...

GUNS N' ROSES Guitarist RICHARD FORTUS Says Band's Current Status Is 'Pretty Up In The Air'

July 21, 2015

"The last I heard they wanted to finish up the recordings that we have and put them out next year and start touring. But it has been a while since I've heard from anybody in that camp as far as management or Axl. So I really don't know."

After Richard said this he heard from management.  Maybe Tommy will get a call now as well.

Good Point FM

 :smoking:

Well, I suppose it puts in perspective when us fans feel we're not getting told much about the band, when people in the actual band don't know either.  :P

Duh...and this alternative reading (seeing hidden meaning) is the only thing that suggest he is out in a interview where he says 'I didn't quit the band'. Yes? Cause I, as Funky also points out, see nothing new here or anything that suggest Tommy has been kicked out from the band. I see a 'vague' (alleged) phrase being interpret in a reunion-theory pretty much out of nowhere. While it can be so I think it is very unlikely. We'll see soon enough.

Pilferk is right, Tommy clearly mentions leaving it in Vegas- nobody anywhere used the phrase 'kicked out' so I don't know how that is relevant.

Here's a fun thought, couldn't you say Tommy 'left' to play those replacement shows In SA and the GG?   :confused:

Semantics wars- only the strong survive!  :hihi:

Everybody left it in Las Vegas.  For now.

In what? That Tommy is out of the band? We'll see about that.

With no ill regards/bad feelings I can say I will remember this. It's a bit ...>>> :hihi: no offense


If 'I didn't quit band' what option is it?


*wonders if being trolled or not*

You said 'kicked out' nobody, anywhere said anything about kicked out.


*wonders if being trolled or not*
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How is that a troll? Simply an alternate semantics situational possibility. :)

j00 answer?

just gonna say 'not in this lifetime', tnx *moves slowly out of the discussion* I'll b back :yes:

No one said kicked out, and he said he didn't quit... BUT he speaks in the past tense about the band and has proven with his words that he is out of the loop... yet if we are to believe other members interviews, they are in the loop. Frank says he has texted and received responses from Axl, yet Tommy says he asks and gets no insight. I find it odd that the most tenured member not named Axl or Dizzy is less 'in the loop' than the least tenured member of the band (Frank).

You can read into that any way you want, I tend to find more circumstantial evidence that he is out than he is in... yet I really know nothing and am just reading internet tea leaves, so...

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 :smoking:Ot, but Im kind of sad for him and Pitman. Although they were in The band for nearly 20 years, and lived to see CD released, theyve completely missed on joy of releasing an album. The videos, interviews and oportunity to brag to all that its theirs as well :( It was their oportunity to "put them sealvea on the map as legit members... and give em deserved fame... Instead they are still deep under axls shadow :(

Thats cause nobody on earth cares about Pitman.
As for Stinson: Dont know. I can imagine if he really wanted to come forward and do interviews, nobody wouldve stopped him.

In business:

You can quit, you can be fired, and your contract/time can be up.

He basically said it's not 1 or 2...and implies that #3 has happened.

If his contract was up, he'd know it, right?

?I reach out once in a while to that crew of people ? a lot of whom are also my good friends ? but I really have no idea what?s going on,?

Look back at the Robin Fink stories, his original departure was due to his 2 year contract being up and no music being released. I wouldn't doubt that they were all on similar short to mid term length contracts and maybe most (or all of them) ended in 2014 and (some or all) haven't been re-addressed since.