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SIXX: A.M. To Release Two New Full-Length Albums In 2016 - Plan 24 Month Tour

July 16, 2015

SIXX: A.M., the band featuring M?TLEY CR?E bassist Nikki Sixx alongside guitarist DJ Ashba and vocalist James Michael, completed its first headline tour this past spring, a limited run of North American dates that was a huge success and the catalyst for the group's most prolific period. Nikki explains: "SIXX: A.M. is in the most creative place of our career and we've already completed almost 24 songs to date. We're still on a writing and recording spree and plan on finishing up at least 30 songs total. Volume 1 and Volume 2 of the album have over 22 songs that tie together thematically and sonically. They will not be released at the same time to allow fans to absorb each album to its fullest but both will come out in 2016. This will be tied in with a 24-month world tour. For James, DJ and myself, we think it's the perfect time to release so much quality music to our fans who've been supporting us over the last three albums. We're ready."

Michael adds: "There have been a few moments in SIXX: A.M. 's history that I would consider 'turning points.' When 'Life Is Beautiful' reached the top of the charts, we realized that the three of us had a real chemistry and a knack for writing songs that connected with people. When we recorded 'This Is Gonna Hurt', it became clear that we had created a unique 'sound' that only the three of us together could achieve. But I believe that the most pivotal moment for us came when we set out on our first headlining tour for 'Modern Vintage'. Playing to sold-out audiences every night made it clear that we had finally become a real band. We have now taken that energy and inspiration into the studio as we embark on our most ambitious undertaking... A double album which leaves no stone unturned in our quest to create important music and push the boundaries of rock."

Ashba sums it all up: "Imagine the next two years filled with world tours, meet-and-greets and more new music by SIXX: A.M. than your ears can handle. Well, that's exactly what's going to happen! Nikki, James and myself have all decided to make SIXX: A.M. our main priority! We are on a mission to give our fans even more than they could have hoped for, both musically and visually. Also, we would like to thank you for your patience, your loyalty, and most of all, for turning us into a real band. We'll see you on the road in 2016!"

Speaking to RollingStone.com about SIXX: A.M.'s as-yet-untitled new records, Sixx said: "They'll be companion pieces, named 'Volume One' and 'Volume Two', and they'll come out with a little bit of space between them. Because when a band releases a double album, a lot of times, about halfway through the second record, you say, 'Sounds like they ran out of gas?' So by putting them out separately we'll give the fans time to absorb each one fully. They'll get the first one. They'll stream it. They'll feel it. They'll hear it live. And then it'll be, 'Here comes another one?' "

According to Sixx, the two albums will be linked thematically and sonically, although it is not clear to what extent. "There are tent poles that we're working with, but they could still change," he said. "The one thing I can say is that, in SIXX: A.M., we always connect darkness to light, whether it's something like 'Life Is Beautiful' or 'This is Gonna Hurt', or even 'Stars'. There's a lot about our own experiences in our songs, but there's also always a light at the end of the tunnel, because we've lived through those experiences. And on the new material, those themes are maybe even a little bit heavier."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sixx-a-m-to-release-two-new-full-length-albums-in-2016/

Great news for us folk around here...

welp.....

So now we are down to just Richard ?

How is Axl supposed to tour without DJ for the next two years ?

This is so not cool ... As far as an album goes .. I have zero expectations but to know that there seems to be a very minimal chance of Axl touring the next two years ... Well this is terrible ...

Maybe there is a reunion in the works ... We better hope so ... Otherwise we got nothing maybe

Yea, not the best news to hear when Richard and Frank recently stated there are big plans in 2016. Maybe Robin and Bucket would come back for the touring, if touring is in the plans. I would actually really look more forward to that than a reunion. Or perhaps Slash would join the current band for just a tour, that alone would still make a ton of money. Or nothing is set until there is an official announcement from GNR. All we have concrete so far is a special attraction coming in September.

DJ seems to be one of the more loyal disciples.  For him to say that his other band is his "main priority" doesn't bode well for the current lineup of GnR. 

Agreed.

Unless Axl plans on releasing an album with no tour (which i'd gladly sign for )... this is not good in any way shape or form.

Well, we are close to a reunion than we ever were!

Eddie Trunk said in his twitter that he thinks reunion will happens, but that?s only his opinion, no fact or inside info. But think about it:

- He?s close with Mark Tremonti and Myles Kennedy (a lot of info about Alter Bridge and of course SLASH came from schedules of these two)
- He had BFF in his shows a lot of times
- He has a great relationship with Nikk Sixx

So, he probably knows A LOT of what?s going on at backstage, plans, tours, albuns, schedules, etc... Not that he knows for a FACT that something will happen, but he knows more than us, that?s for sure.

"main priority" does seem a bit of a concern for Guns fans

"All we need is some clarity, and for someone to tell us what the....is going on!!!"

Eddie trunk expressed his opinion as a pure fan.If he does know some obscure backstage info ,I'm a million percent sure it's not from the Guns camp.

Looks like we'll have a pretty boring GN'R year.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a new album release and just that.No big promotion,no tours,no interviews.
The Axl Rose way we love  ;)

Where is the rest of this thread......

Nobody cares that their favorite bands lead guitar player just committed to being unavailable for two years ?

Nope! Not really...That's just fuckin great.  :rant:

Jarmo: Robin and Axl seem on good terms, he played with them a few years ago, do you think he would return as a touring member of GN'R?

That's a long time

What's the big deal ? So DJ can't tour with Sixx AM from say Feb -June then with Guns Oct- Dec ? If the record comes out in November like Chinese, I don't see why he couldn't tour, with them in the fall/winter.

How about this? Nov 2015 release with a blow-out residency in Vegas to promote the album.

Then DJ can focus on his other stuff!

A man can dream!

I'm pretty sure if Axl had a plan to drop an album this year & tour the shit out of it next year DJ would not be saying this. I doubt it's a case of him choosing SixxAM over GN'R.

What with Bumblefoot & now this I'm not holding much hope of this supposed "2016" regroup. Although when I spoke to Richard at Download Festival he said 2016 was gonna be a busy year.

Guess we will see.

Read this

What is the current status of GNR. You've said before that there might be plans to record and tour with GNR next year. Is that still happening?
 
The current state of GNR is pretty up in the air. The last I heard they wanted to finish up the recordings that we have and put them out next year and start touring. But it has been a while since I've heard from anybody in that camp as far as management or Axl. So I really don't know.

Doesnt look like Richard has any clue if 2016 will be busy either.. at least now he's being completely transparent about it.

Btw I agree DJ wouldn't be all on with this other thing if Axl had any plans...so it looks like Axl is packing it in for a while.


http://rock.about.com/od/Interviews/fl/Interview-Richard-Fortus-Talks-Guns-N-Roses-and-The-Dead-Daisies.htm

He also said there's a lot of stuff recorded that's in the can. So GNR likes November releases, November 2016 is a ways away. So technically they could start touring in the fall of 2016 in the U.S. like in 2006 and 2011.

DJ said they'd tour these two SIXXAM records solid for 24 months.. so lets say they start in a couple months.. then he wouldn't really be fully available until almost January 2018

However DJ is known to spew nonsense about GNR plans, so maybe this is all nonsense as well.  : ok:

We have known "there are songs in THE CAN" for going on two decades... so Richard stating that is truly meaningless.

Wow..this is not looking good!

It does seem weird that nobody has heard from management or Axl. Those retirement rumours during Vegas 14 keep coming to mind.

Agree.  DJ's comments and Richard's comments do not paint a good picture...and that's not me being negative, that's me having a basic level of reading comprehension.

To summarize: lead guitarist, about to embark on a multi-album, two-year world tour with another band that is his main priority.  Other guitarist, literally has no idea what's next, and hasn't heard anything from management or Axl.  Oh, and then there's Bumble's...his status is murky at best.   

This really should come as no surprise. Can?t sit on material for years upon years and expect your ?bandmates? to remain engaged.
That said, I can think of worse things than losing DJ?s full commitment. Guns N? Roses are no strangers to turnover in personnel, so maybe this opens the door for a better fit, or higher caliber talent.
Perhaps an infusion of new blood could provide the spark Axl needs to get things moving. Granted we thought/hoped that may be the case when DJ arrived on the scene, and the past 20+ years have shown us that Axl is very much set in his ways, but who knows. It?s quite obvious that inspiration doesn?t come easy to him these days. Not to put the blame on anyone else, as Axl is the leader and made his own bed(not his real bed, I?m sure someone else does that), but perhaps his lack of inspiration stems from the personnel surrounding him.

This is simply untrue. Axl has spoken about how inspiring he finds the current line up. Once again I'd say this change of heart from DJ can only be due to circumstance not as a slight against Axl & GN'R.

It's baffling why things are at a standstill. Looking at Axl's last interview with Revolver my only guess is the label is not playing ball.

Ahhhh the old it's the labels fault theory !

I don't ever remember Axl saying how inspiring he finds the last lineup.. maybe the easiest for him to get a long with, but certainly not inspiring in terms of creating new music... because they haven't done much of that.

And around we go. Obviously not "great" news for "current" GNR going forward. To be as optimistic as possible, it's possible DJ could tour with Sixx AM, and in his downtime tour with GNR. I doubt Sixx AM would tour for 2 full years without any breaks. Of course the scheduling would have to work out perfectly, and if they are serious about an intensive 2 year tour, GNR's dates with DJ would be few and far between.

I'm of the opinion that DJ probably talked to Axl before he made this decision. If the plan was to go full throttle forward with Guns, I doubt he would've made this choice. Maybe he feels he can juggle the 2, or that his commitments in GNR are minimal, so it allows him to focus his attention to his other band. Obviously with Motley Cr?e hanging it up, Nikki Sixx is freed up, so it makes sense for them to focus their attention. They've done pretty well with Sixx AM as a side project. I'm sure they're excited to see what hey can do making it their main priority.

Maybe Axl doesn't feel like doing anything with Guns at this time or for the foreseeable future. Or maybe he has alternative plans. Maybe past members will re-enter the fold. There's also the chance they could release another album without touring like they did last time, but that doesn't seem like the best method.

I hate to sound pessimistic about the future, but based on what we've seen I'd give the highest odds to more inactivity. We'll see what happens next. A few days ago there were thoughts of a Vegas residency in 2 months. Now the popular opinion is Guns will be shelved for the next 2 years minimum. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

You're absolutely right...it's a lot of maybes.  If only there was a way that things could be cleared up...someone should very seriously look at what to do in that regard.

What is there to clear up? Guns N Roses since 1998 has been Axl Rose and his various employees. Guns N Roses today is Axl Rose. Guaranteed no one is under contract right now and they are free to do what they want. On the Gnr front, there is no tour dates scheduled and there isn't a release date for a new album. Have a good weekend. : ok:

Only speaking for myself... I had higher hopes than this considering Axl's statements in his interview he gave.

As Faldor said... anything is possible going forward, just bummed to hear nothing is close to imminent.

^^Couldnt agree more.

Seems difficult to put a positive spin on this

Nikki Sixx said when the final Motley Crue show on Dec. 31st was over, he was taking a month off, then they would start the Sixx:A.M. tour.  So DJ won't be available until at least February 2018. :-\


Yeah, but Nikki has said the same thing.

Who here believes Sixx: A.M. can tour constantly for 24 consecutive months?

Some are quick to not believe what Dj says about GN'R, but when he's with Nikki talking about Sixx: A.M. people believe every single word?



/jarmo

Well I did point out that he has been proven to speak falsehoods about GNR and that's WHY people don'e believe what he says about GNR, because he has been proven to be wrong more than once.

It's a bold statement to make by him. Even if he's just hopeful his band can pull it off...doesn't bode well for what he thinks is going to happen with GNR any time soon... and that's all most of us care about.

Yup, Nikki saying it does bring more credibility.

Dj and Nikki Sixx seem to think so.

Ashba sums it all up: "Imagine the next two years filled with world tours, meet-and-greets and more new music by SIXX: A.M. than your ears can handle. Well, that's exactly what's going to happen!"

Nikki Sixx: "This will be tied in with a 24-month world tour."


The difference is...DJ has been saying the same things about GN'R for years and they never happen.  

Sixx:A.M. has been releasing new music and just did an abbreviated tour.  Now that Motley Crue will be done soon, when they say they will finish the Modern Vintage tour followed by a release of 2 new albums, then tour the new material, it's believable.

Ok......

How will they find time or their other projects if they'll be on tour for 24 months then?
Doesn't Nikki have his stuff and Dj has his?

I'm sure this is a minor issue and they'll really be on the road for 24 months without any breaks....



/jarmo

We're quick not to believe what he says about Guns because (a) what he says has proven to not happen and (b) we all know that every decision lives and dies with Axl, so it's irrelevant what he (or any other band member) says because the buck starts and stops with Axl.  

Regarding Sixx: AM, arguably he has a bit more control in the direction/decisions of that band.  Hence, his comments are given more credibility.  

I'm sure they could build in time to take care of their businesses, in between legs of the tour.

Well, this is certainly discouraging news.

What a "band" we follow around here, huh?  Jesus Christ.

Well, there is that ever so sight possibility he's a bit more clued into what's up with this band as opposed to Axl's dysfunctional operation masquerading as a band.

Indeed.... not only should it come as no surprise, but no one should really blame D.J. for wanting to go on with his life.  The guy is entitled to one after all, as opposed to allowing a perpetually dormant source to have control over his entire existence and future.

This sounds all strikingly familiar stuff, from the mid '90s debates with Slash to Buckethead and Bumblefoot.

It's all the same scenario.  People don't want to wait around forever based on what MIGHT happen, as opposed to pursuing something that WILL happen.  It's a waste of a life..... and you only get one.

100% agreed.

Axl seems perfectly content to stretch these guy's patience to the breaking point.  And from time to time, guys say "you know what, fuck this".

Its inevitable.

Not that DJ is leaving (but who the hell knows, really) but its impossible to argue Axl is giving him a super compelling reason to make GNR a priority.

This.  When everyone (sans Axl) has a side project, you run the risk of them really liking their side project, to the point where said side project becomes their main priority, and Guns is relegated to the back of the line.

I don?t think DJ would?ve made his comments without talking (or attempting to talk) with Axl first.  Two years is a long time (and really it?s longer than that because the 2 years hasn?t begun to run yet).  At this point, a reunion (however slim) seems more viable than the current lineup reforming.  Who would?ve thunk it?  And that?s looking at things glass half full.  Glass half empty:  we?re back in 2003.

2 things...No way Sixx AM is touring for that long. Its just not doable in todays market. There isn't that big of a demand for them. They would end up losing money. Unless their album explodes(which I highly doubt).

Point 2: With the exception of Axl, I doubt any of the members are millionaires. They all need to be out there making money whenever Axl decides that the band is inactive.

An interview with Axl right about now would have been great, just to clear up a few things. People are getting more and more impatient when no info is being delivered.

As far as speculation, I agree with Ow-So's points. I don't think we realistically could see a 24 month stretch of touring from Sixx AM. If Axl wants to tour with small doses of dates spread through the year, I think that could be done in-between the rest of the band's schedules.

I think Guns N Roses is DJ's side project.  Sixx:AM is his band, he has written all of the songs and played on all the records.  He has yet to write one GNR song that we know about.

Nikki Sixx is done with Motley Crue on New Years eve and is highly motivated and inspired by Sixx:AM.  I have no doubt they will do both of these records and embark on a 2 year world tour.  I would imagine there would be a few breaks in there of course.  Putting out 2 records and doing a world tour in a 2 year span is not exactly some kind of feat, a lot of bands I listen to do that stuff all the time.

Put yourself in DJ's shoes.  You have your own band that you started and have put out 3 records and an EP since 2008.  You wrote and play on all of those songs.  You just recently did your first headlining tour and the tour was very well received, Yahoo even did a live stream of one of the shows.  Why would you not continue down that path? 

Also as an added bonus, he gets ridiculed to all hell about everything for being in Guns N Roses.  Fans are pretty brutal with some stuff, don't think he doesn't see at least some of it.  Eventually you have to get a little tired of it.

Sixx AM has a few rock radio hits here in the states, and people genuinely go to the shows to see Sixx AM, not to see a guy who is in Motley Crue and another who is in GNR.  They are building a big fan base on their own merits.

I just hope this doesn't have any negative effect on the GNR plans.

I really hope we don't take one of our usual convenient misdirection detours and focus on the semantics of DJ saying they will tour for 24 straight months.

And then we spend all of our time talking about that 24 straight month concept and how its possible, not possible, etc.  Like that's the freakin' point here.

The bigger issue, at least as it pertains to GNR fans, is the fact he can so freely say that he's pretty much got his next 2 years open.  

So, instead of focusing on whether Sixx:AM will, quite literally, be touring for 730 days straight, we might have to start wondering what GNR will be doing over that same 730 day period in question.  To touch on what Ginger King just said, you have to think DJ talked to Axl before telling Nikki when he might be available.

Its going to take some pretty willful blindness to argue Axl has all these huge plans at the same time he has no qualms with his lead guitarist telling another outfit his schedule is wide open for years at a time.

Frankly, the most pro-GNR argument you can make is that Axl is moving on without him.  Sucks if you were a big DJ guy, but there is just no rational explanation where Axl can be doing GNR things with him in the fold.

Sometimes.... I don't agree with you... but on this... I could not agree more...

I don't care about Sixx AM in any way... all I know is... that there seems to be a plan in place for the guy who was playing lead in GNR to be unavailable for two years.

Not to mention the other lead guitar player who has no intention of playing with Axl anymore either.

Preach.

Pretty much.

I could take or leave DJ, for the most part.  I do find myself defending a him a bit, but only in reaction the (in my view) way over the top hate he gets.

But if Axl replaced him tomorrow with some other guy named Harry, I wouldn't care.  I'd damn sure take that before I took another several year hiatus waiting for DJ Ashba to become available.

ummmm...just said that earlier D-Gen,...Guns is Axl...no "band members" at this time....door is wide open....anything any former members say means nothing...whether it is Slash, Bucket, Ron, Tommy, Dj, Duff... the guy who hangs the drapes in the lounge, etc etc....it is dead obvious, the last residency was it for awhile. Analyzing what any of the "family" says is a losing, fruitless battle...."take it for what it is!"...Stay Of Execution...

I'm all in for the Stay of Execution world tour ... no more Guns N roses with Dizzy, Richard and another group of people i've never heard of !

it may just be Axl and a combination of pre-recorded spliced together parts from 30 different guitar players, bassists, keys, horns, Traci, Roberta...Zig Zag...ah, fuck it, it will be interesting to see what the next move is.  :-*

I'd give anything to see Axl bring back Traci and Roberta... i wonder what they're up to these days !

For the longest time DJ has always said gnr was his number 1 priority    The news now that six am will be his number 1 priority is shocking

So two years of his focus on that band plus the year plus of time ready from the bands last show.  Is a real real long time

Then you have supposed band memebers claiming guns isn't there number 1 priority anymore.   

With zero news or info from Axl or his managment.   

I can't see the guns band that played vegas last year every playing again in that forum ever again

For this to be 100% true, wouldn't the premise be that Sixx AM definitely tours 24 months straight, non-stop (or something close to that)?

I know his statement doesn't look too good for the people wanting him to continue with GNR, but I don't think this means it's dead in the water just yet. I can see a scenario where Sixx AM tours 3-4 months in total during a year and this tour starts in Jan 2016 and ends in Jan 2018.


Don't get me wrong, I think there's reason for concern... We are completely in the dark about the state of the band, and it seems many of the band members are as well.

Bacon, may be why they got the riaa platinum records in the mail......who knows? Book is wide open. As a fan of all eras, even though liking some former members more than others, I am excited to see what happens next. In the end, if Axl sings and writes the lyrics, I am interested.

Ha it looks more like the sending out of those records was sorta a thank you and good buy

Only thing is the guys playing in the band didn't/don't know it was a good bye.   They may be slowly getting the hint now

I either expect a brand new band (with some sort of mish-mash of members from last years). Or a full out reunion

At this point a brand new band would be suicide.That would demand lord knows how many years again to bond and create chemistry and learn the songs etc.
Looks like the reunion thing is on everybody's mind (and hopes). Imo there is no onstage chemistry left between Axl and Slash. Or Izzy. Or who the hell knows.
The fact that even DJ got to a point that made GN'R second interest is disturbing.He was loyal up to now apparently.
Even Fortus who is 14 years in the band said recently that he hasn't heard from "that" camp or Axl in quite some time.
I'm hoping Axl will be mixing and finalizing the next record in 2016 and we'll hear good news.
 ???

Well as I said above.  I am thinking a "new" band.   Would just be a mishmash of previous players.   Not just a bunch of brand new guys off the street.   So it wouldn't be suicide, as the members have previously played in the band before.   Just not a classic line up full out reunion.

Point is.  I doubt we will ever see that full line up from that last Las Vegas show ever play live again

So, in your estimation, is it fair to say this isn't really a band?

Do you think people have a legit gripe to get their backs all up when such a thing is said, in your view?

This is basically the post 2000 GNR mission statement, isn't it?

I think this is the right read.

I figure, if he still continues to tour, he just plugs whatvever gaps he has with whoever, and plays old GNR songs in safe venues.

Do think this recent bit of news is terrible as it pertains to any sort of new material.  Last few pieces of news, really.

At this point, it's best to either have the full reunion or drop the GNR name and go solo IF Axl is still interested in music. Disappointed in hearing this news. I liked DJ. I'll probably follow Sixx Am since I do like some of their songs.

D-Gen, I am just stating the obvious, no judgement one way or the other...not trying to analyze who is right or wrong....not trying to tell anyone what they should or should not do. As we sit here today, Gnr is Axl and whoever he decides to show up with in the future.

I am no insider and no expert but the lay of the land is pretty obvious. Why continue to speculate on what everyone says when it literally means nothing in regards to what us fans want. I am as frustrated as anyone...trust me. I just want some good heartfelt rock and roll from one of my favorite artists. :-\

So, J-Man, is DJ IN or OUT of GNR? Do you have any clue? And, how would you feel if your main man Slash took DJ's spot? We eagerly await your response...

It's July 2015 and we've already written off 2016 and 2017?

I thought we knew better....

And this isn't based on some secret info or guessing, just common sense relating to GN'R.


/jarmo

damn guys you read too much about everything

about DJ well, I suppose GNR is a residency band now, speaking about the live aspect (which is doesn't bother
me because I prefer studio albums. too bad the big money isn't here anymore because at the end of the day
that's what matters, albums. the industry transforms bands into live hit singles jukeboxes and it pisses me of
at a cosmic level). so he will find a way to play the GNR dates without any major problem, as Richard and the
others.

What worries me is if Axl tarnishes his/the GNR legacy bye touring with a less than stellar band with equal production..All lineups so far have had top notch musicianship with high quality production..Axl hasn't settled with subpar players to back him up..

I forget the exact quote, but Axl said back in the chats that he thought of Guns as all the players who helped with the creation of Chinese Democracy. In other words, Robin, Bucket, Paul, Brain could all conceivably come back if need be. And we've already seen Duff come back for some shows, and Izzy to a lesser extent. So if Axl gets the urge to take the show on the road again, he has options. Some more viable than others. I think it would be safe to say that nothing is planned for the near future, but I don't think you need to completely write off the next 2 years because of this latest news. Or question if this is really a band, or what constitutes a band. GNR has been a rotational group for some time now. Not sure why this would be the last straw for some.

Admittedly, it's not the happiest of news. But the future of this band has always been a bit murky, mysterious, and unknown. This just adds to that. Axl is free to perform and release music whenever he sees fit. And if that's never again, that's just then way it is. There's nothing we can do, or say, or bitch about on a message board that's going to change that. Obviously, we don't have to like or agree with everything we hear. But nothing should surprise anyone anymore. We've seen it all before. Just cross your fingers and hope for the best. Or not. Whatever floats your boat.

Hopefully Axl's concentrating on the music right now. They toured for the past 5 years, I don't think there's an immediate need to get back on the road now.

If there's an album release next year, I'll be happy with that.

Setting up the parameter that absent the actual phrase "you can give up hope now" being uttered means that everything is going to be just fine is a great way to shield yourself from disappointment.

Or reality.

This is not a real positive development.  That's all people are saying.

Oh, I don't think its a last straw.  None of us are going anywhere.

But...what are we holding on to here?  What's the plan? 

I think we've all made our peace with this whole dysfunctional operation, really.  Even viewing things through that prism, this looks bad.  I think each passing year that nothing happens diminishes the chances it ever will.  So if this is truly 2 more years of nothing, that's not promising.

We don't know the plan. Never have, and probably never will. That's not how this band operates. Again, it's been that way for some time now. We hang around to see what happens. We're hopeful, well at least some of us. I can't blame people if they've completely thrown in the towel. Plenty have, and that's well within their rights. I have a feeling we will hear from Axl and GNR again one day. I can't say when. It could be by the end of the year, 2 years, or 10. No one is saying that this is promising news, just that it isn't exactly the end of the world. We wait to see what happens next. Same as it ever was.

My guess is he's focusing on his new French bulldog puppy.
Maybe enjoying a few luxury range pizza's in the evenings while watching True Detective season 2 with Dexter the cat.

Based on the evidence it certainly appears so.  :hihi:

Well really they haven't toured for well over a year and even longer if you don't count the vegas residency as a tour.

In those 5 years of touring, that ended 5 years ago, they played roughly 1 show every 8 days roughly.   Not exactly break neck speed touring.   

What I am getting at.   Is the band hasn't really been busy for some time now

I remember reading here early in 2015 not to throw away this year yet

I get it though.  Anything can happen at anytime.

Touring anytime soon with the last line up that played vegas does not look possible however

My two cents, which no one probably cares about, are two things stick out to me.

1. DJ is a salesman. I love him to death, I think he's a great fit for GnR, and I respect the hell out of him for all of his stuff he has going on (GnR, Sixx: AM, Ashba Clothing, the make your own beanies thing, his wonderful marriage, and his great family). But I remember the hype around Modern Vintage, I listened to it twice and never really felt the urge to listen to it again. But I also didn't expect him to go out and say "This album is alright, give it a listen, you may like a song or two". Same with the band now. I don't expect him to go "I"m all in unless Axl calls me". And plus, who is to say they blame him (which I don't think anyone is angry at him, just upset but..) this band that he helped create vs a band that has already been established.

2. During the "quiet years", I remember fans were upset cause we were told nothing. And some even saying that if we were told, then it'd be better. So at least we are now told that we should not really expect anything for now. And if an announcement does happen, it'll be that much more exciting!

Bonus 3rd thing. The record industry sucks now from what I've heard. I forgot who said it, but way back when, bands made money off of album sales and toured to promote the album. Nowadays, bands make their money off of tours and not so much from album sales. Especially with Spotify and Apple Music, so there could be something to "the label is holding it up".

The End.

Do you think the record label would be holding up the album indefinitely? I doubt the industry will turn around in the forseable future. The streaming model has come to stay, and if the industry people somehow force a change where the consumer gets less for its money, it will be pandemonium and right back to piracy.

I know I am in the minority, but I would actually be willing to pay double (of todays pricing) for a good streaming service in support of the artists. With todays system I'm not sure how much this will benefit the artists though, as the label takes the biggest piece of the cake. But it would help a little bit I think.

Back to the record label argument.. If they indeed are holding it up for the reason you say, what are they waiting for? For recorded music to become more profitable again? Because, I'm not so sure we'll see new music in this lifetime then.

When it comes to the label, I have a theory of my own, not so probable as it was a few years ago though. If the label is somehow involved in slowing down a release process, I think it would have to do with contracts. If Axl hasn't signed off on the delivery of new music beyond the amount GNR originally was contracted to do, I think the label could be hesitant to release anything new now, fearing to lose GNR from their roster after a fulfillment of material delivery. If then a reunion happens in the future, Geffen will be kicking themselves for not being the ones "owning" them anymore.

I think they might want Axl to sign a new contract before moving on to release whatever's in the pipeline. But as I said, I think this theory was more likely to be true a few years back, when Axl badmouthed the label and clearly was unhappy with them in the immediate aftermath of the Chinese release.

How is this not busy for some time?


Start date   October 31, 2012
End date   June 7, 2014
Legs   7
Shows   18 in North America
5 in Asia
7 in Oceania
2 in the Middle East
10 in Latin America
42 in Total

I think the label has nothing to do with the lack of new music.

People say the music industy is in the can

Well big bands still sell with the proper marketing

The label owns a ton of the pre recorded music axl has...   if they don't....   prove me wrong

so It would be easy money for the label for them to release a album.   that is bought and paid for

Honestly do you think guns has been busy all this time?

If you look at the past touring schedual, as much as I loved to see them live and did, it was a lazy touring schedual  from the band....

They toured hard!!!    I know

But it now it has been 6 years....

So use 5 years

1 show every 9 days roughly.....     

Point is

Axl or the band was never short on time for planning the future or recording new music during the past few years.....   they have never been that busy

plus

have we ever heard.....    damn this band is just do busy touring every 10 days that we don't have a chance to record or write new music .........

That's not the argument I made though...

Easy money, sure. But what then? Is the label happy with losing GNR if the case is that Axl owes them only one more album now? What if there's a reunion later.

As I said, if the label is somehow involved with any hold up, I think it would relate to contracts, not the state of the music industry.

The plan is to release a double album - both albums will be released in 2016 three months apart.

Two year world tour.

They will release a third album in late 2017. 

Video update on Volume 1 and Volume 2 of our double album coming in 2016 with a 2 year world tour..

DJ, Nikki, James video update: https://www.facebook.com/nikkisixxofficial/posts/10153413672200336

DJ Ashba: "We're planning a 2 year tour right off the top. That's going to be exciting. We're going to play everything from The Heroin Diaries up to the 2 new albums."

Must be nice to follow a band with a plan.  Though I can only theorize.

That's a very ambitious plan. We'll see if they can follow through on it. Not many bands are releasing 3 albums in 2 years and touring all the while. Is there enough of a demand to support such a plan? I read an article yesterday about summer tours, and which ones are doing well vs. poorly. Van Halen and The Who were among bands who weren't faring too well. They'd have to get pretty creative with their scheduling to make it work, IMO. We'll see though. I agree it's better to have ambitious plans than no plan at all, but I'll be interested to see how this all plays out.

He says they have written 24 songs already.  They think they will have over 30 songs when they are done.

I will be  ourious to hear DJs aging on these albums.  And wonder how his solos would of sounded on new guns music.   I sounded how much guns fans are going to miss out in regards to what could of ended up on a guns record may of ended up on one of these six am albums

The last tour date was June 2014, it has not been 6 years since the last tour date.


If you're waiting...don't. Live your life. That's your responsibility not mine. If it were not to happen, you won't have missed a thing. If in fact it does, you might get something that works for you ? in the end you could win on this either way. But if you're really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus 'cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater."
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-axl-rose-speaks/#03U11DWgwxsQaFzL.99

Why is so hard to accept that DJ is touring for two years?? Halestorm has been doing it.

Does any one want to speculate on why Axl Rose might be choosing to sit on the sidelines right now?

According to some people here, current GNR were on tour for FIVE years!! Surely, two is nothing compared to that?  :hihi:

Yeah it's not THAT ambitious of a plan.  Green Day put out 3 albums in 3 months in 2012 and released a documentary and demo album the following year along with extensive touring.  That was in spite of Billie Joe Armstrong going to rehab for a few months during all of it.

Tom Delonge is putting  out 4 albums (2 solo and 2 Angels and Airwaves) and is also putting out a comic book series and co writing 15 novels with NY times best selling authors, all within the next year.  He is also in DC right now making a NASA documentary.  This is all after the  5 albums , 3 Ava and 2 blink he has put out since  2011 all with extensive touring.

Look at all the projects people like Dave Grohl are involved in at all times.

Point is I don't see how some are finding the Sixx Am plan unrealistic.  With all the modern technology we have artists are really branching out and creating all types of art in short periods of time and are able to make it readily available to us instantly.

Derrrr The band is currently on hiatus, he is entitled to his privacy without some forum idiots saying "he is on the sidelines" simply because they don't know what he is up to or currently working on. :idiotemoticon:

 ::)

Nobody is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to be here.

Poor you, you are almost as good as Ron in playing pity games  :crying:

My point seems to have been missed. I'm in no way saying it's impossible for them to release 3 albums in 2 years. I'm simply questioning whether the demand will be there from the public to make those 3 albums and 2 years of touring profitable. It could, but I'm not completely sold on it. I have no doubt they have the songs written and they'll release the 2 albums at the very least. They've proven to be a productive band while it's been more of a side project, so I fully expect them to pump out new music with no problem.

Dave Grohl and Green Day can pull off 2 year tours with no issues whatsoever. Sixx:A.M. is not at their level. Halestorm is a closer comparison. So if they're getting it done, I suppose Sixx:A.M. can. We'll see.

Yes, well why is Axl Rose choosing to be on hiatus now?
Dj was hired as a guitarist and songwriter... six years ago... and has yet to collaborate on a new song with Axl Rose.
Now, seems like a weird time to shut the operation down if you're serious about making music together.
With two SixxA.M. albums since Dj joined GNR, and three more on the way, it makes me wonder... why Axl Rose might be choosing to sit on the sidelines right now?
Sorry, if I want to discuss Guns N' Roses on a Guns N' Roses discussion forum. :crying:

Loss of fire / interest in the material, for the current personnel, for enduring the risk of putting it out there.  Some combination of such.

It's not all a masterplan or a guy biding his time, waiting for the opportune moment.  Its an overall lack of interest in the process.

Proof for the claims you are making or STFU, proof for "yet to collaborate".

Band is on hiatus, new album is being worked on- sorry nobody calls in to update you personally on progress and plans.

When there is something to be announced, it will be announced. Do you need an explanation of that or a translation?

You apparently know zip about the industry and all involved processes, maybe you and Dgenx can have a poseur convention.

Pure speculation and guesses on your part, please do not state your opinion as fact.

It stands up more than the alternative ever could.

He's super excited about this material...he's just been sitting on it for over a decade.

He's super excited about his current personnel...he just hasn't written or recorded anything with them in 9 years.

He's super excited about getting a product out there...he just takes no steps to bring that about.

What's the alternative?  All of that is totally happening, you just don't know "the facts", ingrateful fake fan?

If that's the spin you need to put on it, hey...salud.  I require no such coping mechanism.  And as the years pass, fewer seem to cling to such concepts.

It's far from "a coping mechanism" what is there to cope with?

I forgot, poor you, you take all this so personally and feel the need to whine incessantly  :crying:

When there is something to announce it will be announced, not a difficult concept to understand when you have a life and aren't attempting to try and impress strangers on a message board with all your "deep" and "insightful" bullshit in order to try and valudate your little life.

Looking for a good spin to put on a bad situation.  You think its the duty of a fan to never point out anything negative, even if true, because its better to lie to yourself.  And, whenever possible, try and chide other fans into joining you on that flight of fancy.

Ron leaving the band : not a great indicator things are in the offing.

DJ saying he can focus on another band for up to 2 years : not a great indicator things are in the offing.

Richard focusing on other projects, and lapsing back into "I haven't heard from that camp in a while" mode : not a great indicator things are in the offing.

These are observations about facts on the ground.  When you don't like the sound of it, you either ignore it totally, or put a misdirectional spin about how real fans are patient and you sure had a swell time at your last gig attended.

Its coping, straight up.  You think its your duty, and that you are in some way a better fan for deflecting in such a manner.  That's the spin you have put on the matter.

Oh look, more invented bullshit on your part, why am I not surprised?

Nobody feels as if it is a "duty" being delusional is your special power eh?

What is very amusing is you attempting to draw conclusions when you don't have all the facts- why is it so impossible for you to wait on official announcements? 

You should apply for the position of town crier  :crying:

We are, but people are going to talk while they wait.  Way of the world.

There is only harm in such if you choose to be outraged by it for whatever reason.

Take a fan of some TV show drama.  Should people just shut up and wait for the next episode to air?  Or are they likely to talk about what might be coming between seasons?

Fans passing the time.

That's exactly what I'm doing, I simply refuse to buy into the concocted garbage and supposition.

Opinions and facts are very different things. ;)

Ron leaving is not supposition.  It's not opinion.  It's a thing that happened.

DJ going all in with Sixx:AM is not supposition.  It's not opinion.  It's a thing that happened.

Richard doing a side project and saying "I have not heard from that camp in awhile".  It's not supposition.  It's not opinion.  It's a thing that happened.

So you know beyond a fact that Ron left permanently, interesting- official source please.

Not saying those quotes are opinion, I'm saying YOU taking them and grandstanding your little drama queen act is ridiculous and meritless because you don't have ALL the facts.

Capice'?

Yeah... Emily or whoever can copy n paste their "live ur life" Axl quote a million times...but there is nothing really good about the current "hiatus" (GNR message boards have made me despise that word haha) and the information we have about and from all three of the guitar players.

It's not trying to be negative about the situation...it's just the way it is.

"Ignore everything you see and hear that casts major questions on the future, short and long term.  Assume there is completely unverifiable stuff going on behind the scenes that is all going 180 degrees differently with what can be seen and heard and trust everything is on track".

Sorry, but that's not a credible position.  That's something a willfully blind and increasingly desperate person tells themselves.

Don't really have a use for it, personally.  If you do, that's your deal.

I don't think anyone is saying this is a total death knell.

But, yeah, as you say, look at all the recent info that's come down the pike since the tour ended 13 months ago.  It all goes one way, and that way is not promising.

There's really not even one of a list of things that looks like it might be encouraging.  All the news is bad.

Maybe this is it. Out with a whimper instead of a bang.


At least we'll have the memories.

Yeah, well I do remember reading comments about the pointless touring....

So rejoice! ;)


/jarmo

Could be.

Others have certainly suggested this for years.  That whenever Axl did decide to ride off into the sunset, it wouldn't be with any big fanfare.

He just wouldn't do anything for awhile, and people would just figure it out.

Well those kind of complaints as foolish as they may be, really have nothing to do with the issues at hand here.

Correct.

Its a cherry picked fragment of a conversation with no real application to what is being discussed presently.

The real issue here is that you can't please everybody.....

:)


/jarmo

I would say the real issue is that all three guitarists from when the band last toured are doing other stuff and aren't in communication with Axl, nor plan to be.

D-Gen, if he has everything he needs for the next album, why does he have to be in communication with them? They won't be making any release date decisions.Obviously, that is his responsibility.

Ooh. Yeah, it's a real issue for a band on a break....



/jarmo

And one he's all over, from what I can see.  Hardest working man in show business, now that James Brown has passed on.

Do you think people are leaving the band and telling other bands they are ready to roll for 2 more years if need be...yet have been told there are big GNR plans coming up?

I do not.  I do not believe that.

I am quite certain nobody is under contract anymore....whenever Axl decides to tour again, I imagine he will put a band together at that time. I think that is a good thing as he can sign up whoever the hell is interested.

True.

I think the DJ development here is big, because the guy seemed genuinely excited to be in this band and work with Axl.

I see this latest move from him as rather giving up that ghost.

Well, he is not the first and won't be the last. I really don't care if he shows up again or not.

My only concern is having real questions if Axl has the fire to put together yet another line-up.

We are already at the replacements of the replacements stage.  Does he have a GNR Version 4.0 in him?

who knows? I really am only interested in new music at this point.

I'm more interested in new music than I another 'Appetite For Memories' residency, sure.

But he's not exactly cranking it out with a line-up with at least a few guys still in the band that are on the tapes.

What do you figure the chances of new music are with another totally new line-up?  Is there a number less than zero?

yep....-4 look at your Karma points!  ;D

Speaking truth to power comes with inherent risks.  That's life in the big city.

If the band is on "hiatus", it does appear it will be for a while.


I think people aren't sure it's just a break.  Even Richard says...

The current state of GNR is pretty up in the air.

July 15, 2015

Well.... AXL is on a break... it's a hiatus for all of the other guys and nobody knows if its permanent for each individual or not.

It's not really a break for Axl because he ultimately runs Guns N Roses the business. I am quite certain he is constantly doing something on that front.

OK.

Calendar 2015...what do you figure he's done?  Best guess.

He/you/we had to know this was coming, so it really shouldn't come as a huge surprise. Nikki has been quite vocal about shifting his attention to Sixx:A.M. once Motley wraps things up. DJ has always been passionate about all his projects. Sixx:A.M. is probably more personal to DJ than GNR. Guns may have a higher ceiling, but it's not like he doesn't have other options. Maybe he spoke to Axl and came to the conclusion that he should shift his attention away from Guns. Maybe for good, maybe he plans to come back when Axl is ready to ramp it up again. So while DJ has been loyal to Axl, he's also been quite loyal to Nikki. I wouldn't necessarily view this as him turning his back on Axl. He's just going where he feels is best for him at this time. And there's still the possibility he could juggle the two positions.

Remember when Robin left, and not long after CD was released. Then they got DJ to replace Robin and not long after NIN was on a break. So just because DJ is shifting his focus doesn't mean that it's the end of Guns as we know it. I don't know the plan. I'm not sure Axl even knows the plan. But when he's ready to go again, I'm sure he'll look at all his options and find the right fit.

But don't you think it's possible that the two issues are related?  Meaning, everyone is leaving (or making extended multi-year commitments with other bands) because there is no new music coming?  I tend to think that these issues are aligned.  I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but it makes sense that there is some relation between these issues.

You have a band that's on an indeterminate leave, band members have no idea what's going on, and everyone is off touring/releasing music with other bands.  How could that not affect the release of new music?  Releasing music when there is no active band seems weird, right?  Or do we just assume Axl will put together a group when he's ready to release new music? 

Anyway, I tend to think that everyone's off on their own because there is no reasonable likelihood of new music. 

I agree with all of that.

Unfortunately.

Ginger, I don't think so.....I think we get another album. Educated Guess...Hypothesis.

Ginger, no, I don't think Axl really cares what those guys do at this point. He has a mountain of music to play with, big money options with a reunion. The industry is so wide open at this point that he can sit back and hold his cards. The current band are all professional musicians. They will survive.

and for the record, I think Axl cares about all his new guns family members...cares a lot.....but sometimes it is nut cuttin time and you have to sit back and figure out what is best for you and the collective. I think he is doing that right now. My 2 cents.

I hope you?re right, but I just can?t fathom that.  Generally speaking, you need a band to release music.  What label is going to release music under the name of a band that no longer exists or (at best) is on an indefinite leave?  That?s not really a great selling point to promote new material.

Nine Inch Nails...everyone has to grasp, at this point, that Guns is Axl just like Nails is Trent. Reality is tough but that is the current situation. I think I am correct in that assumption. No?

But he's had a mountain of music for how long?  I don't see how current events gets him closer to wanting to release said mountain.  

I agree with you he holds the reunion cards, and maybe that's what got DJ and others out focusing on other things more.  They read the cards and didn't really see themselves in it.    

This.

I don't either, and honestly don't care what SixxAM do, not a fan at all.

No a troll agenda comes with negative Karma points here, anyone can look at your post history and see your aim and gameplan.

At this point,i say this only as a fan i'd call it that Axl is on a break and that break will last another good year or two then we'll get the reunion,which i'd stake good money on,will happen in fact i'd say the reunion is more likely than any new music

Oh, ho, ho. Ha ha. Wowza!
This one made me laugh.
What's good money and what do you want to put down?
For one thing he hates Slash - fucking hates the dude.
And Adler? He's a freakin' Idiot. Hell, he was an Idiot before drugs destroyed the three or four brain cells he had coming into the world. Axl isn't going to work with him again.

Ginger, you have to look at it from Axl's perspetive. He has already won the lottery. He sits on the mountain of vault material because he CAN. That material includes classic lineup stuff, Chinese stuff, live concert recordings, demos, alt takes, etc. Hell, Dylan waited almost 50 years to release all the Basement Tapes. The Stones are just now releasing all the stuff from their legendary years. It is money in the bank for these guys...social security. They wait....it is sad but true for us fans.

Lots of larfs in this thread  ;)

Damn sure are.

Sky Dog.. I think you could be on to something. He is probably re thinking all of his options. It would just be such a shame if songs never see the light of day because of more lineup changes or him just deciding not to share.

He is going to share....just not as quickly as we want.

Exactly. Axl isn't an up and comer looking to make a name for himself. He's earned the right to work at his own pace, excrutiating as it may be. We don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.

I'm right with you.

I continually shake my head when people try and spin that Axl's laziness and procrastination is somehow a clue that a reunion is on his mind.  He hasn't been clear on that?

I don't see that at all.  Sometimes, a guy is just a lazy procrastinator.  Its not necessarily because he has all these other plans in mind.

You have zero proof for the derogatory claims and labels of "laziness" or "procrastinator" because you are not privvy to any real knowledge or interaction.

You are still attempting to push Troll gospel here.

That?s all possible?he could be re-tooling the brand, getting ready for the next big thing (Round 2?), and still have the passion and desire to release music that?s already recorded.  It?s also possible he has very seriously thought about it and decided it?s not worth the headache and heartache.  He didn?t really seem to like the release process of CD, and maybe to him it?s not going through another painful process.  We don?t know because we have nothing to go on?so it?s just a function of what you believe based on the limited information we have.

Also, I?m not sure I?m buying the he?s sitting on this mountain of music because it?s a gold mine.  By all indications, CDII sounds similar to CD, which didn?t exactly reap huge economic profits.  The big bucks are in a reunion?not in CDII, IMO.

Yeah, I guess all that creative output over the past 15 years is always at the ready to be thrown back in my face when I say stuff like that.

That's my cross to bear.  I set myself up for that pitfall.

Agreed.

And those Stones and Dylan comparisons, do they apply here?  The Stones were sitting on outtakes and unrelased songs from some of their most famous sessions of alltime.  That's not what Axl is sitting on.  He's not sitting on unheard material from his 'Sticky Fingers' or 'Exile On Mains Street'.  He's sitting on unrelased material from his 'Black And Blue' and 'Dirty Work'.

Ginger, I am quite certain Axl made a nice chunk of change off CD. Don't kid yourself....re-read my post on what I consider vault material.

"That material includes classic lineup stuff, Chinese stuff, live concert recordings, demos, alt takes, etc. "

What classic line-up stuff?

Its been going on 30 years with some of that.  We all have the bootlegs.  We know what is out there and what is not.

Do you seriously believe there are all these outtakes from the real band that have somehow been kept under lock and key all this time?

no reason to argue with someone that just wants to argue....

That's the thing. He's probably trying to figure out what the best move is for HIM. Not necessarily for us fans. The year CD was released he described as "the worst f'ing year of his life". Could be a reason he's hesitant to go through the process again. Or maybe he's been going through it off and on. He's obviously not desparate to release music. If and when he decides he's ready, we'll know. I do hope we get there someday.

Who is arguing?  I'm asking a question. 

You think there is old band material we have yet to hear, all these years later?  That never made it out on a bootleg?

And now back to sarcasm as an attempt to save face.

Why am I not surprised?

Some of the stuff Slash did that was the beginning of the seed of the song that's been around for a while."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richard-fortus-on-new-guns-n-roses-album-axl-rose-wants-to-create-stuff-and-release-it-when-its-ready/#oQEAAo8ejrhaOU7Q.99

You absolutely shouldn't be.

Ridiculous suggestions often receive ridiculous responses.

Want a serious response?  Put forth a serious argument.

Pretty basic concept.

The article also notes that Guns "has both recording and touring plans in 2015" so I guess you have to pick and choose what to believe.

...as always.

Getting back to the topic at hand, I do not believe there is as yet unearthed gems from the old band.  We've heard everything that was to be heard.

I guess, theoretically, there could be some unfocused jam sitting on tape somewhere.  But we were talking about Axl being able to monetize the stuff he's sitting on, like a Stones or Dylan have done.  I don't see anything in that vein.

I think the only thing from the old band would be that Documentry.   The one filmed during the UYI world tour....  That has never been released

Other than that...   The old band has nothing in the shelf

Unless Axl is sitting on some Slash demos breaking out Songs like, fall too pieces and slither....   Now that would be cool

I would simply like to hear cleaner versions of the "bootlegs, demos, alternative takes, jams, etc etc" on a proper studio release...I would like to see proper studio versions of Shadow of Your Love, Reckless Life, and Move to the City without the fake crowd noise in the background. I would like to see AFD remastered with said tracks as bonuses...with the original cover art. There are literally tons of things he can do just like the Stones just did with Sticky. I want the UYI documentary. I want the remainder of the Chinese sessions released....the list goes on and on. Hard core fans would eat it up and pay for it out of principal. It is money in the bank.

Axl has a vault....end of discussion.

Chidem was done in the early 20's but got redone (entire fucking thing re-recorded) upon request from a producer. You can for example hear changes to the madagascar-solo (becoming less heavy) and 'The Blues/street of dreams' being slower if you compare rio3 with 02-gigs.

Axl also re-recorded AFD (and some illusion-stuff) and gave permission for songs fto be used in movie-soundtracks. Here is Scom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtovs6HhFO8) (cuts from live into a new recording). WTTJ was offered to 'Black Hawk Down' but they declined since it wasn't from original AFD.

Yeah, Axl tried to sell them on using the new band's version of WTTJ, as I recall.

Thanks, but no thanks.

always got to get a dig in.... ::)

Do you think it was a smart business plan, pushing the re-recorded song instead of the one everyone knows?  The version used during the actual battle in real life?

Since there has been some (apparent) confusion here today, these are questions and not arguments.  Just to be clear.

Phone's ringing.

It's rO bI n.

 :D

I so hope they bring back certain mr Finck :wink :wink ;))
ooooh how I miss that dude.

I miss when this site actually had moderators


Whats g0ing on here

? We want guns to be a popband now (lol)


I think it would be appropiate to put integrity above popularity/comercial intrest. Having said that, more than corefans would be intrested in this re-recorded AFD and the emorage alone would give much publicity. :yes:

I agree the vault exists?and I agree that hardcore fans would enjoy whatever comes out of it.  But how much money are we talking?  How many hardcore fans are left?  With each passing week/month/year, it seems reasonable that there is a corresponding decrease in interest.  I just don?t think the vault is this money printing cash cow, at least not anymore.  Also, I thought artistic integrity (a term I put on par with ?hiatus? on list of annoying words) ? and not money ? was the reason things are staying in the vault? 

Ginge, you are fucking crazy...like Led Zep, for every hard core that leaves 2-3 come in it's place from a younger generation...they don't come here to argue....they just buy t-shirts and AFD and yada yada yada....it is a cash cow. One re-release of AFD...a small tour with a semi reunion, these guys are bank rolled for life (if they aren't already). Honestly, it is hard for normal people like us to comprehend because we aren't in their shoes.

I'm pretty sure Axl is not one for just spouting bullshit and the only thing we actually have on the future of GN'R is this....

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z453/reayj2003/645fa413-c29b-4d96-8d4c-4d8ec6224362.png)

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses was performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that ran until June 7 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

Once again I think there are outside factors...be it labels or whatever making it difficult for him to put the products out. Either that or there is an underlying fear that the material is just not good enough. Sadly one big problem is that anything Axl does without the original band is likely to get a very hard time critically and we fans really don't know how this effects him and whether he feels up to subjecting himself to that scrutiny. I don't think there are many artists that attract as much hate if i'm honest.

On a side note a few more magazine covers like that wouldn't hurt!

ummm...CD did well critically...always a love/hate thing with Gnr...happened back in the day too.

There's a difference, IMO, between (a) reunion and vault, and (b) just vault.  I agree that any scenario with a reunion would result in a huge financial windfall...a tour with Axl and Slash on the same stage would shatter records, sellout anywhere they wanted to play, and be the cash cow of all cash cows.  But just a vault, or a vault with a band that's on indefinite hiatus???  I think that commands much lower interest and much lower price.

well, yes...but the vault still has value...good value.

The point I was getting at is that if he had some older stuff he could package with new band stuff as a whole "Complete History Of GNR" boxset.  I don't think he has that older stuff, though in fairness, I don't think it exists to be had. 

The vault, such as it is now, is basically the next album he won't release.  We're talking about outtakes and demos from sessions where we don't even have the original material yet though.

Business wise, I'm not sure its going to be much of a boon for him, as is. 

How do you sell the director's cut of a movie you never even put out in the first place?

From all reports there is definitely pro shot footage of most of the UYI shows and behind the scenes footage that was intended to be a full length doco on that tour. No idea if that was finished or not.. but either way.. id be more than interested to get my hands on some of those pro-shot shows from the UYI days.

Big time.

Where would they sell that stuff? Recordstores are gone. Streaming seems to be the most relevant form of selling songs 2day.

Guess DJ and Axl will focus on selling their attendance. GNR is working on putting out a new album tho.



mhm :yes:

Serious translates for you as to contribute to your negative little campaign in a pathetic attempt to paint all things GNR as somehow dark and bleak.

The only one ridiculous here is you, and your neverending petty  hate campaign against GNR to try and validate your sad little life and desperate attempts to impress others on the internet with your nonexistant Intellect,wit and humor.

You aren't entertaing, you aren't particularly smart and you aren't informed nor any sort of expert, you merely have internet access and inadequacy issues.

For a box set, you would presumably still put some sort of emphasis on packaging.  And if relying on the hardcore, assume they will spend the money and order it.

But I think a box set is on the outer fringe of the outer fringe of viable ideas for GNR from here on in. 

These guys can't ever get out an album.  Walk before you can run.

Emily, wake up.

You took the position that a man that has released 15 total songs in 16 long years has no issues on the laziness or procrastination fronts.

That's a ridiculous assertion.  Its a joke position that, if it deserves an answer at all, its a joke answer.

You and I have had discussions about any number of things.  I don't dismiss you out of hand by any stretch.

But this was a lob.  Come on.

Simply because albums are not released on your little perceived schedule does in no way entail that this is somehow wrong.

There exists no hard and fast rule nor enforced schedule for releasing albums.

You are no sort of expert, you are not informed, you simply enjoy the attention others give your idiot opinions and stupid assumptions.

You are no sort of insider, industry expert or particularly informed.

Please present proof that an album release has been attempted in recent years and failed.

The revolver interview of 2014 states that a new album was being looked into.

Walk before you can run.

"Wrong"? No.  That's a totally subjective concept one could spin in any number of directions.  I wouldn't even go down that road, for that very reason.

Not productive?  That's hard and fast, that concept.  It doesn't even need the air quotes around it.  Output over time is an easily proven, concrete measure.

You want to get your spin on about the artistry of it all to explain away the meager output over time, that's your prerogative.  But that passage of time versus the output contained within is unassailable.

I obviously cannot.

But, in all candor, I come down much firmer in the camp nothing has been tried whatsoever than I do something has been attempted and failed.



I agree.  Let's hope that pans out.

And that recent events that seem to fly in the face of that are not what they seem to appear.

I think the interview used a bit more stronger words than a new album was being into...like "already recorded" and "been done for awhile".  It is a tad ridiculous that we're over a year from that and we're no closer (arguably farther away).  Use the artistic integrity crutch all you want...but the man's Axl Rose.  If he really wants to do something, he'll find a way to do it.  It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't want to [cue: misinformed, entitled, internet warrior, whiner response].

I saw no reason to not take Axl at his word in that interview.

But how do you reconcile that talk with what we've seen since?  His inaction, coupled with the seemingly contrary actions of the others in the band.

It's a tough sell.

You attempt to condemn what you do not understand, that is very apparent.

Simply because songs havent been released does in no way mean they havent been written, you are not in a position to judge "creative output" and by attempting to judge, it says more about you than anyone else.

Howso is it ridiculous? Are you privvy to details and the processes to get a commercial release ready?

It is very sad and very telling you refer to Artistic Integrity as a crutch.

I think you and Dgenx should get a room together, you seem to have a lot in common.

Guess that remains to be seen. I tend not to place much stock in everything I read on the internet.

By all means keep on trying to appear to be some sort of informed, witty, intellectual with clever and canny insights - keep up that all-important internet persona.

Emily...

Im trying to figure out why you refuse to see what they are saying?

Your whole point seems to be "Oh you dont know they havent recorded X amount of songs" or "that Axl doesnt owe anyone anything" or "it will be released when its released"..

these comments seem to be the general theme from you. The fans are all entitled to an opinion, Dgen and a few others make quite relevant points when they say that the output has been poor (in terms of records).. or that there is a lack of information given to the fans about whats going on... or any number of other gripes that people may have... you cant just reset to a default response with ambiguous comments like the examples above.

There are genuine gripes and IMO (yes its just my opinion) they are relevant.

I love Axl... for me... its not about bagging you out.. or bagging Axl out.. I'm certainly not a hater.. i just named my Kid after Axl for gods sake  ;)

For me.. Axl will always be my favorite Artist/Musician/Performer.. certainly the best Front man.. and i truly am privileged to have seen him Live in 2013 for the first time when they played in my town.. so im certainly not here to throw shit at you.. or at Axl on an online forum..

I guess what i am saying is... You are happy to sit and wait and see what plays out.. in terms of any future music or touring or whatever.. and thats cool... but some people feel like theyve waited enough time and that things have been said by Axl or his band members and that hasnt eventuated and they feel its not good enough... i think both sides have a point... its where u stand on either side of the fence i guess...

For me... i think there is some serious doubt as to whether this is over for good this time considering speculation around other members.. that may be the case.. it may not.. i just think the lines of communication to the fans could be a lot better.. i just want to know about my favorite band.. thats all.

Mr 2 post wonder,

 Seems very suspicious and convienient that you would choose to immediately jump into the fray and immediately align yourself with that side.

If you truly expect me to politely step aside while  "fans" like dgenx, gingerking and moaning mortis do their best to demean, berate and whine about all things GNR you are going to be very disappointed.

Nobody asked you, or them to wait, here's a nice quote you all can meditate on.

If you're waiting...don't. Live your life. That's your responsibility not mine. If it were not to happen, you won't have missed a thing. If in fact it does, you might get something that works for you ? in the end you could win on this either way. But if you're really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus 'cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater."
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-axl-rose-speaks/#dQmZ65OAT4W1FxU5.99

When there is something to announce it will be announced, why is that so difficult a concept for people like you to grasp?

Yes, we get it. Fans want as much music as possible. And when you get something, you want something else. We all know that.

But, does reminding us about this week after week really do any good?

We know that wrestling fan thinks Axl is lazy, we know that music fan isn't really a GN'R fan. We all know that, do they need to keep repeating it like a broken record?  :P

Has anybody seen these people do anything productive relating to GN'R lately? As soon as there's a "pointless" poll where they can show their support for the band they all want to succeed so badly, they are MIA...

Just saying...


/jarmo

If this is a reference to me, can you supply any possible motive or benefit in voting on a poll which allows you to come back one hour later and vote again? Waste of time. Does not even deserve the physical exertion of clicking the mouse.

Hahahahaha

 "Productive"?  This is "productive", now :

Hey guys!

Some website you have never heard of is having a tournament that ties in with a current sporting event.  (Hard Rock March Madness, Heavy Metal World Cup, etc.)  Guns N' Roses is matched up with AC/DC in the first round.  Now, you can vote up to 6 times an hour.  Let's see if we can stuff the ballot box at a greater rate than AC/DC fans can stuff the ballot box.  Hopefully, we can help lead our boys to victory! 

Rock on, Gunners!  And don't forget to vote!!

You are 100% right that I am MIA in those threads, because I think they are meaningless.  I'm also MIA out of respect.  Out of respect to the people that are having whatever fun they are having with it.  What's the upside to me coming into the thread and shitting on it?

I would think a better argument for being "productive" would be the series of threads we had right here on the boards discussing each CD track.  I responded to every one of those, several times as the first person to jump in.  That is more productive than some random internet poll with no significance.

Yeah, don't take everything so seriously.

But it's funny for somebody who's so adamant about commenting on others' productivity that you don't seem to exhibit a whole lot of productivity yourself.

No, I'm not 100% serious. :D


/jarmo

Me?  I don't comment on that.  That was a response to your post and using the word you used.

You made the argument that voting in those goofy internet polls is not only a productive use of your time, its something that is your duty as a fan.

I dispute both, highly, for the reasons I've stated.

Ha, I will give you that!

I sure as hell would not consider anything I post on the internet, wether it be positive or negative, to be a productive use of my or anyone else?s time.

I think the only one that could claim it?s time well spent is the one collecting the money the site generates, or the band the site?s dedicated to.

Nothing posted on any message board about any topic is important in the grand scheme.  Its just something we do to pass slow workdays.

Speak for yourself.
Thanks.

I know for a fact that not all posts are useless just because yours are.


/jarmo

Can we just agree on a few thiings?  I don't think any of these observations are subjective, so just want to see who's playing with a full deck:


1 Axl is stubborn and always going to do things his way
2 Axl doesn't care about time
3 Axl is a procrastinator
4. Axl does not feel obligated to keep the fans informed when there is nothing new to inform them about
5. Axl does not feel obligated to keep his band mates informed when there is nothing new to inform them about
6. Axl is content with the pace at which GN'R releases new music, even at the sacafice of other band members or fan's happiness
7. Axl makes a mean hamburger

Ooooooh...burn.

We are spending our days talking about a rock band that hasn't been relevant in over 20 years.

If you want to convince yourself that's us just doing god's work, knock yourself out.

Hell no! Gonna sit here and I refuse to log off before the album is released! >:( <<< Ramboface

Waiting on ch, err, the new album starts now!

 :hihi:

hahaha, funneh

I spend my days on other things and peak now and then here to see whats going on.


a rock band that hasn't been relevant in over 20 years

Axl was on the front of classic rock last year. Yes yes, they were most popular late 80's early 90's, but 'not relevant'? ::)

Relevant to us, his lifelong fans.  Not to the populace at large, no.

Other than us, do you think people spend a lot of time in 2015 talking or even thinking about Guns N' Roses in present day?  I do not.

But the point was about message boards in general, on any topic : rock bands, sports, TV shows.  Are we really doing anything of significance, talking to each other about the minutiae of the topic that brings up to that board?  Not really.  Just fans of a common interest shooting the shit.

Can you elaborate?  Are you saying when Chinese Democracy came out the fans wanted something else?  Or are you saying the fans are never satisfied?

8. Slash owes us cus he stole scom-intro from circusmusic
9. DJ is a actually a hologram from the 80's .
10. Jarmo is kim jong-il.

The latter.

Fans are terrible, terrible people.

I would say the members of this and the 'other boards' wanted and still want more and are never satisfied, the general music consuming public probably wanted something else.

No one owes us anything... not another song, not a show, not a timeline, and certainly not an explanation. BUT as someone who has loved this band for decades it is frustrating to think that since the last show of the Illusions tour in 1993 (22 years) we have gotten 15 original songs and a few hundred shows with a virtual merry go round of 'employees' on stage (for those counting that is .7 songs a year). This is one of the more brilliant singer song writers of our generation, so some people (Emily this is for you) will come to these forums to vent frustrations, and share opinions. If they didn't this place would have been very very quiet since the mid 90's give or take a few year stretch in the late 00's - early 10's. However I will return back to my original point we aren't 'owed' any more or less than we've gotten, but we don't owe anyone our unquestioning quiet allegiance either (that wouldn't be very fun).

Does anyone (sorry for the random reference) picture Baghdad Bob behind the keyboard anytime Emily responds... 'Nothing to see here Iraq is invincible, the Americans aren't bombing anything... We have plenty of Guitarists, everything is band business as usual'

But let's be real here.

When we got CD, was anyone saying right away that was great and where's the next one?  No.

But such revisionist bullshit is peddled as some sort of "woe is Axl" mindset the second something happens, even if we are talking about something else YEARS later.

Asking 7 years later how we seem to be no closer to a new album does not mean people weren't happy when CD came out.  That's nonsense.

 
I'm not too keen on classic rock anymore and more intrested in Rammstein, Buckethead, Hanzel und Gretyl, The Prodigy. What DJ and Nikki do is pretty sweet tho. The livestuff works.


ya, some oldcore rockfans expect nothing less than a revolution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7J2Nnl7Ano :P

 (J/K, lubs j00 emily) :peace:



Edit


*cough* :-X

I actually said 'that was mediocre'. Still waiting... 

"Mr 2 Post wonder"??? whats 2 posts got to do with it? Oh.. i forgot.. in your internet world it means everything..  :)

As for your comments regarding it "being convenient and suspicious that i align myself with that side" .. umm no.. its really not. Would it be suspicious or convenient if i aligned myself with your thoughts and comments after 2 posts?  :-\

I tried to engage you by saying i dont understand why you cant see their point of view.. which i tend to agree with. And your first response was a sarcastic "2 post wonder" comment..

Again.. I'm not attacking you. I'm just stating that all your arguments revolve around ambigious statements like "you dont know this isnt happening" "or its ready when its ready"... im merely trying to figure out if you really believe this stuff.

As for the last part.. quoting Axl saying go and do other things and you wont be disapointed... thats fine.. i dont sit around longing for the next record like my life depends on it. Ive already stated in my second post that I'm not an Axl hater, i went to a new guns show in 2013, had a great time.. cant fault anything about the show.. etc etc.. (you didnt make reference to any of that). .you just seem to think im now on the opposite of the fence and thats that.

It is possible to have a different point of view and actually still get on you know.    :)

I'm not saying people expected anything right away... I'm just saying fans (that regularly visit these boards) are always going to want more (especially since some of it had been heard in some form since 2001/2002). I was just pointing out that there is a difference between 'us' and the rest of the world who were not happy with the product they got and not the volume of material.

For me personally I was very happy with everything that 2008 brought, but having the 'three albums full of material' dangled in front of us wears on you when it never comes... which is why most of my post was not to contradict what you are saying but directed at Emily who thinks that no one should share their opinion if it questions Axl or his team.

Oh no, I'm with almost all of what you are saying.

I think any objective analysis has to at least question how "three albums of material" and "36 songs" (both things that we were told) has lead to one album, 7 years ago.  And who the hell knows what now.

And to say "hey, what's going on here?" is not to insult the band, claim to be a label exec or tour manager or any of that noise.

Its just asking doesn't this seem...off, to anyone else?

It seems totally off to me, which is why I laugh at people like Emily who feel like they need to 'Defend the Wall' every time everyone says something that even remotely questions the direction of the band or any of it's members... at the same time I feel like there is a point where it all goes a little to far, so I understand Jarmo stopping the 'trolling' in it's tracks.

Until there is official word on certain topics (after years in some cases) I don't see how you can't expect there to be a certain level of speculation about things like 'When is a followup album coming' or 'does the band have a guitar player'... what else is here to talk about? As you mentioned earlier I don't really care if Guns N' Roses makes it to the second round of Cat Fancy Magazines tournament of bands with songs that include the word Sweet, or involving myself in the 7th annual how did Madagascar make you feel when you first heard it. I'm as interested in Axl's cats as I am Koutney Kardashian's husband... I want to talk about an active relevant band. I know for some people if it isn't GnR or a metal band it's crap, but it frustrates me seeing a band like Maroon 5 (who are very talented and if you can't see that you are very short sighted) manage to release 5 successful albums in the time Axl has released 1... They don't seem to have the never ending legal and management hassle that Axl does. Don't like Pop? How about Country? Brad Paisley a great performer and guitar player has managed to release 10 successful albums (19 #1 songs) since GnR first reemerged in Las Vegas in 00-01 (same as before, Axl just 1).

This is why not everyone wants to talk like it's all unicorns and rainbows.

The lack of productivity is indefensible at this point?and it?s crazy the absurd lengths people will go here.  The evil record company, shady promoters?all these forces conspiring to prohibit Axl from releasing music.  Christ, how many crooked record company execs exist?  I don?t know, but apparently they all work for Axl?s label, and they?re still out to get him.

The new excuse reason seems to be artistic integrity.  He?s not ready to release it.  Why force him to do something when he?s not ready to do it?  Sorry, but I don?t think asking to hear music that?s already recorded is asking too much?especially 7 years after the last album was released.

I just don?t understand the mentality to defend every action ? or inaction ? of the band.  Seriously, every action.  All of them.  Never a bad one.  That?s where the cult comparisons come from.  Whenever the band decides to do something is the right time?and fuck you, you ungrateful 601 post wonder for thinking otherwise.  Get a life (that?s a good one, as if my ? or anyone else?s ? day to day living depends on what Guns n Roses does).

What do you want your favorite football team to do?  Play football.  Your favorite basketball team?  You guessed it.  Play basketball.  Why would it be any different for your favorite band? 

que emily's next rant using big words to try and sound overly intelligent  :rofl:

It's deadset painful.

anyhoo...

The Parrots are out in full force.  ::)

Have a day guys because in the end your opinion is meaningless.

How do you know anything about me, or my supposed "internet world"?  Are you yet another magical wannabe psychic?

It was odd that you just supposedly registered, but yet chose to immediately  jump into the  discussion and focus on me, but feel free to continue being a minion, I honestly don't care.

You specifically mentioned that "some people were tired of waiting" etc, so I posted a quote, nobody is asking you to wait- that is entirely your choice and your decision.

I'm stating the truth, you do not know what has been done, and when there is something to announce it will be announced, no idea why that is an issue with some "fans" here.

It's great and wonderful you went to a show in 2013, do you want a gold star?  Have been to quite a few shows myself throughout the years and have enjoyed them all.

People seem to get their wants and needs confused, they convince themselves they need new music, when the truth is they merely want it, and when it is released they will want something else.

Some here are addicted to whining and complaining, it gets very tiring and monotonous to read the same redundant crying and complaining from the same circle of idiots.

Great call! The litany of whiners  :hihi:

So your reasoning is by whining and complaining you think it will make some perceptible difference in what is released or when it is released? #entitlementissue

How do you know the label is cooperating? How do you know what has been done up to this point and what hasnt?

Damn sorry the truth interferes with your delusional whining.  :crying:

 :hihi:
Complaining is a complete waste of one's energy. Those who complain the most accomplish the least.  :beer:

I mentioned the show in 2013 to validate im not a hater of nuguns and was perfectly capable of being able to ask questions of the current band and yet still be a fan and enjoy the shows.. , an intelect like you would/should have picked up on that..in fact i think i even spelt that out for you to avoid confusing you yet you still got confused... funny that... when you spit venom so often you forget what you read.. or took no notice... and just continued on with your usual diatribe of misleading confused codswallop that i think you actually believe in the hope of being noticed by someone on here. who knows... ill let you figure that out.

So the crux of it is this..... basically you have a problem with anyone who dares to question what's going on in this "band"??? And we should all shut up and just pretend its all perfect?

Just because people ask questions (which they have a right too) doesnt make them idiots.

Cheers

Sorry my vocabulary makes you feel inadequate, and possibly inferior.

I don't speak stupidese.

Unlike many here, I don't pretend to be a magical psychic that can derive untold depths from what someone posts.

Your idiotic interpretation of my motivation is just that, idiotic blabbering and more attempts to attack me personally, wouldn't suggest you continue down that road.

I'm simply a real fan and supporter, I have no insiduous hidden agenda other than doing what I know is right, and posting what I know to be true, it says a great deal about your character there, or lack thereof.

GNR is definitely a band, no quotation marks needed, but what is really in question is your supposed "fandom".

There is no such thing as "nuguns" it is Guns N' Roses.

Not inadequate at all. I think it's hilarious you try so hard to sound intelligent by using big words at any point you can...its very try-hardish. 

I am educated as well.  ::)

Who's claiming to be psychic?

Its fact that one album has been released in 20 years.
Its fact that a lot of fans find it irritating.

If GNR is "definitely" a band... whos in it right now?

Can you tell me with any certainty?

Im dying to know. 

Emily is a charmer. It is best to ignore her really. (Poor guy - new user and you would have expected a better reception than that.)

I was referencing you saying  that I missed points in your post, if it had been phrased succinctly and it required some adknowledgement or response I would have responded.

I definitely know Axl is in the band ;)  does that ease your troubled little mind?

You are not "dying" to know anything, drama queen exaggeration.

The DVD was released last year, I got a CD package of that as well, were you unaware that was available?

There is no hard and fast rule about how often albums are released, if you are dissatisfied with GNR why not go infect some other band with your presence? Nobody is asking you to wait.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects.

Its cool... i knew which side of the fence she was on... i thought that perhaps being a new user shed be a bit more reasonable about conversing ... but im not shocked.  ;)

Anyway mortis.. nice to be here...  :D

Poor him, poor you all these pity cases.  :crying:

I am being very reasonable, I'm simply not on board nor in agreement with your delusional complaining and entitlement issues.

The way to get status among complainers is to be the most negative. To be the one who sees everything in the most negative light.

Any attempt to be positive or cheerful will be shot down and optimists will be accused of being Pollyanna, naive and unrealistic.

I'm hardly trying to impress anyone, I think it's hilarious you are attempting to ridicule my vocabulary.

I could care less how "educated" you claim to be.  :hihi:

Let's see, so far you have:

1.complained about my vocabulary
2.insinuated that I have some spurious end result in mind.

Care to continue this tendency? I'm beginning to think you signed up just to troll me. Here's a little tip, I know how to use the report button.  : ok:

In all the years I've posted here I've never used that.  What does that get you? :hihi:

It's sort of like preparation-H, it can make a chronic pain in your ass disappear  :hihi:

Who has argued their opinion has meaning, or is going to effectuate change?  You're missing the point completely, but it's a nice misdirection step.

Are you kidding me with that, a live DVD? That is basically the same crap we got with Live Era, Tokyo '92 DVD's, and the Music Video DVD.

Also are you serious with the 'how to you know the record label is cooperating' comment? Every other band in existence seems to be able to release successful albums on a fairly regular basis, they manage to keep most of their members, they don't get a concert aired on TV then somehow have it pulled and claim that they were lied to. This only seems to happen to one band (one man if were being honest). Do you picture in this little magical world you live in where everything Axl does is perfect that sometime in the early 90's an influential group of record executives stood in front of a giant roulette wheel with names on it and said 'Who are we going to fuck with for the next 30 year or so' then spun and got Axl?

Maybe the record label plays hard ball with him... do you fucking blame them? They sat patiently and waited since 1991 for an album of original material, instead they got decades worth of studio bills and saw the marketable band they signed a contract with implode. The after all of the wait they got Chinese Democracy which probably could have been released and sounded just as good (if not better) 10 years earlier. Had it been released 10 years earlier they may have gotten a little more return on their investment.

With all of that said... I'll wait, and I'll buy what ever he releases when ever he releases it, but I can discuss it till I turn blue in the face until he does. AGAIN... what else is there to talk about? I don't care what jeans or designer t-shirt he wore that one time, I don't care that his cat turned 10, I don't care if a random online magazine has more GnR or Motley Crue fans that vote. I do care to talk about if the guitar driven rock band has guitar players since they appear to (unofficially) have none. I do care to talk about the remaining 30 or so songs that are on the shelf years later. AND sue me, when other people start talking about reunions I perk up because at the end of the day that is the band I fell in love with in 1987 when I first heard them on WBCN and WAAF.

Constant complaining makes you see everything in a negative light, because your subconscious mind tries to make new observation fit with what you already know.

It isnt something a healthy mind practices ;)

Can you provide proof that the Label isn't making the situation both complicated and difficult?

Can you provide proof that "they appear to have NO guitar players"?

Can you provide proof for "Had it been released 10 years earlier they would have seen more return on their investment"?

Would you like some cheese with that Whine? The people who are best at toxic venting are narcissists. Not only are they good at it, but they use conversation very deftly to satisfy themselves, not to engage another mind, or to learn, or to understand or even to actually converse, only to whine and complain endlessly.

Asking to prove a negative...good one.

Ok, how about you try.  Can you prove that the label is making things complicated and difficult?

All you bring to the alter table is that Guns can do/has never done/will never do anything wrong.  Axl is beyond reproach, and whenever he deems something ready, that means it's the right time.  Hey, I'm all about worshiping gingers, but come on. 

Provide proof that I'm wrong... You can't and I can't, which is why we talk about it on a forum. Embrace what this medium gives us, a platform to speak about a band with people who also follow it... but they don't have to do so blindly.

As far as the record company making it difficult though, I just ask for a common sense look at it... Why in the world would they prevent him from releasing an album or two that could allow them to recoup the millions of dollars they blew on this guy? Why are there dozens of examples of bands that have released albums at a 5:1 or 10:1 rate compared to GnR. Why do you think that the record industry has a hard on for fucking with one guy?

No I am a supportive fan, is that a difficult concept to grasp?

I choose not to be a toxic complainer, toxic people easily become angry with positive people. They don?t understand your reasons for being happy and will attack you until you?re on the same level as them.

Hold up a second... who does the attacking? No one would pay attention to you and your weird Axl Hale Bop Comet like cult if you didn't make it your job to attack every point that isn't basically "Axl is wonderful and nothing is wrong, move on, nothing to see here"

I refuse to entertain delusions, but I'm far from a blind follower.

I don't think that labels, or the music industry as a whole is fair and balanced, nor do I think it is a particularly honorable industry, it is rife and ripe with corruption and greed so I have no problem seeing that they might be a problem. I'm not naive  or gullible.

I see absolutely no reason to paint the band in the worst possible light, and try to appear objective when in reality all you are doing is whining and complaining like a two year old because the band doesn't do things the way you think they should be done. All the constant complaining is nothing more than a glorified temper tantrum.

Is that a failed attempt to reference the Hale-Bopp Comet?  :hihi:

I'm giving my sincere opinions here, there is nothing weird about it.

Maybe he just doesn't give a shit anymore. 

Why is that suggestion out of bounds? Do you see a lot of action that refutes it?

Yes, yes, we all read the Axl interview last year.  Where are the actions that back any of that up?

Does anyone's?  As it pertains to this band, such as it is, there is quite literally only one person on the planet who's opinion matters.

But that is not the disconnect here.  The disconnect is between people that feel they need to curry favor with the band almost and shout down anything they don't like. 

Keep that hope alive, guys.  That hope that Axl is going to one day single you out for all your "loyalty".  I'm sure its in the offing.

Even though you have only been here a short time, you've already seen Emily's whole act.

The stuff you have read, so far?  That's pretty much it.  It never really changes past the same few bullet points.

Fortunately for the rest of us, she's really the only one like that.  Most of the folks here are nice and actually interested in a dialogue.

Hahahahaha

Seems like that sometimes, huh?



Yep, yep.

A temper tantrum?  You going down that road?  That's a bold choice by you, I must say.

What, exactly, is this same tired lecture from you if not that very thing?  Its the very definition of temper tantrum.  You read things you don't like and piss and moan about them.  That's a temper tantrum. 

Oh how cute, you are Assuming again.

You do know which orifice assuming is often compared to right?  :-*

I'm just trying to make some sense out of it.  And I'm just being honest.

It appears, to me, that there is a segment of this fanbase that treats Axl like Santa Claus.  He sees you when your sleeping and knows when your awake.  And he's knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.

I get this vision that I feel some of you have where Axl is going to show up one day with a naughty and nice list.  And some of the people I am talking about will be all funny in the pants and be telling him "I told them!  I told them, Axl!!  I told them they were being mean.  I always defended you.  I'm one of the good ones."

Holy shit I forgot a P... all arguments prior are obviously invalid, should have done what you did and googled it first.

Here's a newsflash for you genius, this is a FAN forum.

There actually might be some real fans here that object to your dreary whining and constant complaining.

Get a life, grow a brain.

I don't have to google words to know how to spell them, nice try though.

He's seen your entire act too-

Repetitive, redundant complaining, whining, bitching, moaning and crying about all things GNR.  :crying:

Priceless! I nearly spit my breakfast on my keyboard laughing at that.

More verbal diarrhea.

Whine, moan, complain. :crying:

Not surprised, the simple minded are often easily amused.  :hihi:

Alright enough bickering let's get this back on topic... What e-Juice do you think DJ runs through his vape rig and who made the jeans he vaped in at that place that one night.

Who cares? Not honestly an Ashba fan nor do I care about SixxAM.

I'll gladly bow out and let you guys discuss that fascinating mystery.

Yet just a month ago you attacked me for daring to question DJ when he was involved in a fight in Vegas because I thought he was ridiculous for saying 'what are you going to do about it buddy' and not expecting to be punched in the face... DJ was off limits then... what changed???

Yep.

And fans talk here every day without a hint of a problem until you show up to correct us, and grind all conversation to a halt because you aren't happy.

There's your newsflash, sweetheart.

Opinion.

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I'm right.

So sorry the truth interrupts your little campaign and your grasping attempts to appear intelligent, informed and entertaining.

I'm not your sweetheart, if we are going to start using pet names or descriptives I have a few in mind for you.

Did your opinion change along with his 'perceived' role in the band that does no wrong?

You are delusional...

I thought we had a real Sam and Diane thing going on here.  No?

Call me anything you like.  If what I've seen so far is you holding back, honestly, I'm kind of curious what "off the leash" Emily sounds like.

speaking of off the leash.....we need a new Axl press conference where he comes out swinging like the Head Ball Coach Steve Spurrier....absolute classic video.

http://www.wistv.com/story/29608926/steve-spurrier-quotes-attila-the-hun-combats-enemies-in-impromptu-news-conference

 :hihi:

No, people are allowed to change their opinion, you need to go look up the definition of the word delusional.

I've never liked Sixx AM, I don't care for Nikki Sixx.

Your ears would never be the same, I'll refrain for your sake.

How true is this quote?  :beer:

"It's a simple truth that the greater your accomplishments -- your victories -- the greater opposition, torment, and discouragement your enemies will throw in your path. Expect it and don't become a victim of it," Spurrier said.

Nikki Sixx isn't and has never been in GnR so I'm not sure what that has to do with your opinion of DJ as GnR's guitar player. AND yes I know what delusional means, and your 'I'm always right' stance is the classic definition of the word.

He's the man, isn't he?

Lifetime Florida Gators fan, because of him.

I'm not too worried about it.  Don't hold back on my account, please.

Duh, really?

I simply don't care for Sixx AM, and the "I'm always right" quote was a joke genius. Are you honestly that dense and clueless?

Here's a link to the quote
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/15038.Ashleigh_Brilliant

 :hihi:

Maybe someday, wouldn't be prudent nor appropriate in mixed company nor on a public forum.

While it might have been a joke, it is deeply rooted in truth (just re-read this whole thread).

What is funny though is your perfect comedic timing on your DJ opinion change... just a month ago you had no issue with him, his priority 1 side project, or his bass player in said project... BUT 'something' changed recently and suddenly you are not a fan (which is perfectly within your right)... now that is funny.

You aren't bright, the mere fact that you perceive something as "being rooted in truth" doesn't mean it's true. Please, do yourself a favor and look up "delusional".

I don't care for Sixx AM because I don't like Nikki Sixx, read it slowly and maybe you will understand it this time.

Reading comprehension is a handy skill.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence...opinions change.   :rofl:

On topic...so what do you think about DJ's standing in the band now?  Is it as murky as BBF's (to the extent you think there's anything murky about BBF's status).  To me, DJ's gone, and if and when Guns starts up again in the next 2 years, it will be without him.

This could go on for days...

The rooted in truth comment was tied to your 'I'm always right' attitude not the SixxAM part (you may want to read that slowly).

I don't care about your feelings for Nikki Sixx or SixxAM. You have said your opinion of DJ changed, which seems to have happened very recently so I don't see what Nikki or SixxAM have to do with that unless you are confirming you believe that the status of the band has 'unofficially' changed. How hard is it to admit to that and talk about the fact that everything isn't rosy in GnRland? Instead you (virtually) walk around with a rainbow coming out of your ass talking about how bright and sunny everything is.

I almost want to see a reunion happen just to see how quickly the message from posters like Emily change, because it's very obvious that anyone who holds an instrument on stage with Axl is infallible and everyone else is blah (like DJ suddenly)... The backpedaling on the negative Slash comments is going to be glorious!

Ok, listen carefully-

GNR is on hiatus.

I don't care for Sixx AM, I don't like Nikki Sixx and this is why-

M?TLEY CR?E bassist Nikki Sixx, although he told The Pulse of Radio he has some reservations. "I don't know if I believe it's a GUNS N' ROSES record, because it's just Axl," he said. "I think it's a phenomenal solo record, I'm sure, but as far as being a GUNS N' ROSES record, you know, I'd love to hear GUNS N' ROSES together because we believed in that band. You know, Axl's the type of artist who will make sure it's a great record, but it's not a GUNS N' ROSES record, it's an Axl Rose record. We need to be careful with the brand name."
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/nikki-sixx-says-chinese-democracy-is-not-a-guns-n-roses-record/#o4LTko3V3H5T4APL.99

Nikki Sixx does not get to determine what GNR is, he can like the Album or not like the Album but he does not get to determine what GNR is.

I like DJ in GNR, I don't care about him in Sixx AM.

Crystal?

Yeah, but its hardly like that was a take on the whole thing exclusive to Nikki Sixx.

If that is your barometer, you must not like a lot of people.

You have serious issues, grow up.

If there were a reunion and the members wanted to do it, I would be behind it 100% My first show was seeing the classic lineup.

I dislike him for several reasons, and numerous things he has said. I was simply quoting that as one example.

You are right, I don't care for a lot of people and I'm unapologetic and remorseless about that.

I used to think this too.

In all honesty though, people would fall in line.  People accept whatever Axl is doing as the right thing and the just thing.  Old band, new band, being active, sitting on his ass...its always noble.  Its always the right move.

Despite everything he has said over the years about it, if hell froze over and there was a reunion, people would be right on board.  Never would be heard a discouraging word.

Crystal clear to me... DJ is the same guy where ever he is. In fact one of the arguments that you GnR truthers like to spout off is that Axl is writing new music and he hired DJ to write with him (I can't prove they aren't after all, right?). He writes everything in SixxAM, do you think his GnR output is going to be drastically different? Look at Slash, whether you want to admit it or not a lot of what he writes (like Fall to Pieces, or even Anastasia) sounds like old school GnR, how will that change with DJ? His solo that everyone gets wet over prior to SCOM sounds just like SixxAM.

You either like his guitar playing and general vibe or you don't (unless you feel Axl makes everything better).

Exactly... what I'm saying is all of the people who say Slash is a self promoting hack today will be right back on his band wagon and forget who DJ, Robin and whomever else are... because he will stand 20 feet from Axl.

Chapter 1 from the Book of Axl.

Does he write "everything" in Sixx AM? You may want to check your facts there.

I'm a GNR fan, not a Sixx AM fan.

I like him in GNR, not in Sixx AM- I do not accept your petty "either" ultimatum.

And you are wrong again, both James Michael and Nikki Sixx are credited
James Michael
Composer, Engineer, Group Member, Guitar, Keyboards, Mixing, Producer, Vocals
Nikki Sixx
Bass, Composer, Group Member

Sure, because only butthurt little whiners and complainers are able to think independently and originally.

Nice delusionary thought pattern.

I never said everything, but he writes a significant amount of that material, and that can be heard in his guitar solo that he plays live with GnR. I'm not saying you have to like the lyrical content of the songs (which James Michael writes a lot of) Sixx AM release and never offered you an 'ultimatum'.

I just don't see how GnR DJ and Sixx AM DJ are vastly different people or players that change your opinion day by day... and please stop it with the hiatus crap. Axl might be for whatever reason, but the rest of the professional musicians are moving on to better opportunities. There aren't very many other bands that keep their members and fans in the dark for such long periods of time with no real output other than glorified tribute tours.

So in the past they went on 'Hiatus' Slash and Duff left... Then they went on 'Hiatus' again and Buckethead left... Then they did 'it' again and Robin left... what would make you think that the comments from Ron and DJ don't point in the same direction? When do people start doing the math and realize that Slash, Duff, Josh Freese, Buckethead, Brain, Robin, Ron, and DJ aren't the assholes in this story.

So, in other words, it is your position here today that if Axl reunited the old band, he'd had something of a revolt on his hands.

There would be a discernible chunk of his fans that tell him "sorry dude, you went back on your word and decided to go back with that asshole Slash, and I'm out."?

Is that the thing?

Liar
here's your quote, you said "everything"

Crystal clear to me... DJ is the same guy where ever he is. In fact one of the arguments that you GnR truthers like to spout off is that Axl is writing new music and he hired DJ to write with him (I can't prove they aren't after all, right?). He writes everything in SixxAM, do you think his GnR output is going to be drastically different? Look at Slash, whether you want to admit it or not a lot of what he writes (like Fall to Pieces, or even Anastasia) sounds like old school GnR, how will that change with DJ? His solo that everyone gets wet over prior to SCOM sounds just like SixxAM.
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It is a fact that GNR is on hiatus, I really don't know and don't particularly care what "other groups" do, nor do I see how it is remotely related to how GNR operates.

If you think GNR does "glorified tribute tours" simply because they play some of their hits at a show, well that is what the casual fan buying tickets wants to hear, and that is who is catered to- not some internet nerdy kid that likes to complain about shows they dont attend.

Name a well known band that doesn't play their hits, lame observation and argument.

He cannot do anything wrong, don't you know? CD did not sell that well? Azoff and Best Buy's fault? Album delayed? Record company's fault. Old band folded? Slash's fault - did I mention Slash is a 'drug addict'? Tour cancelled? Promoter's fault.  Everything has to have complex webs of explanation in order to deflect blame from the one common denominator here: W. Axl Rose.

No, you are inventing scenarios again.

I don't speak for anyone except me, unlike you I don't pretend to pose as spokesman for the masses.

If they all wanted to do that, I would be onboard. My opinion, no one else's.

Azoff sabotaged the album moaning mortis, why don't you go infect a AC/DC forum and stop spreading your toxic bile here.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/may/20/axl-rose-chinese-democracy

Got me on a poor choice of words... he writes parts of 'everything'. He is not the sole songwriter, but he has a style which would carry over to GnR. I love how you attach yourself to the most granular detail in a statement when the theme of the statement can't be countered strongly.

Stop making excuses, I clearly caught you in a lie.

I think his style changes between GNR and Sixx AM, my like is for the GNR style.

It is very conditional, admittedly.

I liked Ron's contributions to some of the Chinese Democracy songs, can't stand his solo work.

Then I get the feeling that button is getting some use today. :P

What's being said here is that you would hardly be alone.

Odds are, Axl's fans are going to fall in line with whatever he says.  Old band, new band, setting up a colony on the moon.  It will all be good in the hood.

The only segment that is going to look bit silly, and more than a bit hypocritical, are the ones who have spent the past however many years very vocally ripping Slash.  The second they accept him again just because Axl says its now OK to do so, they will be exposed for what pretty much all of know they have been this whole time anyway.  Willing charges that will accept whatever orders come down from the big chief.

However, even though I feel that is accurate, in truth, people would be so giddy over a reunion, I don't think all that much time would be spent naming and shaming all the people that allegedly developed a problem with Slash the second Axl did, but are now willing to forgive as soon as Axl gave his approval to do so.

People would just be happy the real band is back.

No, actually I've only used it once. Not recently at all :)

Who are these people you speak of, that "are going to look silly"? Names?

Why do you feel the need to use the term "fall in line" ?

And why do you refer to the classic lineup as "the real band"?
I've seen multiple lineups and own all the albums. Every ticket said Guns N' Roses and so did every Album and DVD.

Your biased propaganda doesn't get by me.

Anyone extremely over the top about their alleged Slash hate. 

Which, coincidentally I'm sure, seemed to spring up about the same time Axl's did.  And if Axl were to actually mend that fence, not one person that spent the past however many years spewing invective would keep it up.  Axl says its OK to like him again, so they like him again.

It would not be their finest hour.



Because it is an accurate description of the behavior I am describing. 

I think the chances are precisely zero that anyone I'm talking about is going to find fault with any new direction Axl takes.  He likes it, they like it.  He hates it, they hate it.  He says, oops...my bad and now I have to go 180 degrees on something...I'll be damned, so do they.

That's falling in line.



I'm sure they did.  But to anyone except us, its GNR in name only.  That's why I say that.

I have no problems or complaints with Axl using the name, replacing personnel every few years, or whatever else he still wants to do and call it all Guns N' Roses.  Its all fine by me.  I can make my own distinctions about what is real and what is not.

But the general population of the planet Earth do not share that view.  And even though I can roll with all this nonsense, I'm not going to get my back up and start stamping my feet shaking my fist at the sky when someone else tells me this isn't Guns N' Roses.  To them, the classic band is the real band.  I'll never change that.

Its unrealistic to expect the rest of the world to adapt our own pattern of excuses, rationalizations, suspect logic and selective conclusions.  I would feel silly making some of the arguments we make to each other around here out in the real world because I'm not blind to how ridiculous they sound to most folks.

I didn't mean by you. ;)

Of course all bands play their hits... the problem here is they have been touring the world off and on since 2002 to promote an album with 14 songs that was released in 2008. They don't have much choice but to play hits from the 90's along with covers. 22 years, 14 original songs (16 if you want to count Oh my God and Silk Worms which have been played a handful of times in 2001)...

this is some funny shit right here.....

Contacted by journalists, Azoff's lawyer joked about the breadth of Rose's accusations. "He didn't accuse Irving of being on the grassy knoll in Dallas on November 22, 1963?" he told the Hollywood Reporter. However, there are wider implications to Rose's lawsuit. Guns N' Roses' lawyers have dragged the Ticketmaster/Live Nation merger into the proceedings, pointing to Azoff as evidence of the companies' anti-competitive practices. The deal, which is still under consideration in the UK, was approved by the US justice department under certain regulatory provisions.

You gotta admit....it is all an interesting story.

Coma....17 songs we have heard in some form....14 on the album, Oh My God, Silkworms, and Going Down.

EXACTLY! How many people here who wouldn't have cared about the show at all watched seasons worth of Dexter because of what Axl named his cat...

Only thing I find strange is that there has never been an as yet unheard song played on tour since the album came out.

They did it all the time leading up to the album.  Presumably, because the guys on stage had more interest in something they wrote and worked on if the alternative was to play another version of 'Out Ta Get Me'.

I didn't really think it all that probable during the initial touring once the album came out.  But after the break, and in the residencies, I did sort of think we might here something new from the Magical Mystery Vault.

I will play along.....I think that CD was clearly the leak album and the leaks may have been done by "management" on purpose. Multiple people have heard multiple other songs so we know they are out there. However, somebody has put the lock down on everything post Chinese. Yep, the Magical Mystery Vault is there...just a bit beyond the average folks grasp.

what I mean is that everything that leaked sans Silkworms and Atlas were on the album....imagine how many tracklists went through Ax's head over a span of 10 years...talking 1998 to 2008.  :o

And this..."somebody" that put the lock down on, does that extend to telling the band what they can and cannot play onstage?

In your opinion, is there anything stopping the band in 2012, 2013 or 2014 from playing an as yet unheard song that they wrote and worked on?

Going Down was on setlists but *if I were to guess* Team Brazil, Axl and the label made a collective decision to avoid any new songs. Think about it, sales will be limited anyway due to the industry changes so you got to hold your cards tight to make sure you can squeeze out a few more curiousity sales....just my two.

Could well be, I agree.

I think that is a pretty snappy tune, personally.  I hope it comes out officially one day, because I think its a solid song.

Seeing as someone else mentioned 'Team Brazil'... That has to be considered a bit in any 'challenges' the band faces with the label or with internal communication.

I will use the Boston Red Sox as an example. They have a very young and inexperienced General Manager (responsible for talent evaluation and acquisition) they have a very hands on ownership with less 'day to day' baseball experience than their very young GM. They have one of if not the highest payroll in the league this year and are consistently at the top of spend in league year after year. In the last 3 years they have finished dead last twice with a nearly 200 million dollar per year payroll. Their management structure and approach are hurting their team on the field.

Now I actually am huge fans of team Brazil. I have met Fernando in person and regularly spoke with him back in the ancient times of AOL instant messenger, I met his sister once outside of the Hammerstein Ballroom in 2006 (and if we are being totally honest I would give my left leg for 5 minutes alone with her  ;) )... however they have no background in this field. Fernando was selling t-shirts 6 years ago at paintball conventions and actively playing in a MMORPG, his mother started as Axl's girlfriends house keeper... But this isn't their fault... go back to 'the new bands' management early on... Merck was a disaster. The manager of what was one of the biggest bands on the planet heading into their first shows since a failed 2002 tour was getting in online arguments here and via email with darknemus (an old school poster here) over what cell phone he could carry into the show and how he could use it... Who argues with a 30 year old fan of the band from Florida on an unofficial message board when you should be dealing with the day to day operations of the band? This has been and continues to be the biggest challenge for this band. Maybe the label won't be so hard to deal with if you have someone who knows how to deal with them.

But... ForEver AXL Is The Boss,,, 80's, 90's, 2000's Eras !!!

Coma...it is a concern of how Team Brazil can navigate extremely shark infested waters. But, honestly, without their support, I don't think we would have ever got Chinese. Axl is human like all of us. In the end, if you actually do care, you would want him to be a happy person...wake up smiling whether you win or lose...internal  peace....the key to life no matter what profession you are in.

Guess you probably need to be more specific there. I reserve the report button for incidents that truly violate the rules, not because I don't like someone or because their ideas dont align with mine.

How is that a problem to GNR? There is no shortage of people buying tickets, there is no problem touring and putting on shows.

The casual fan that goes to a show wants to hear the hits. That is who the show is for, the actual ticket buyers and attendees, not some nerd on an internet forum that likes to complain and erroneously thinks he knows anything about the music business.

All bands play their hits on tour, it isn't some new concept.

No, the term "fall in line" is not accurate to anyone but you and your biased perceptions.

Unlike you, I don't attempt to speak for the general population, I think you confuse the general population with the trolls that inhabit internet forums, which are in reality a very small part of the entire fanbase.

I'm certainly no fan of the way Slash manipulated the press for years, in his efforts to demonize one member as being somehow responsible for the breakup, fact is he quit. GNR existed before Slash and exists after him. But, if in some imaginary world apologies were given, and accepted then who am I to resent him playing in some percieved reunion?

Oh no, I mean people out there.  In gen pop.

People other than us.  Not just here, on any GNR forum.  I'm not talking about any of them.

All the people, casual fans that I have encountered at shows and leaving shows seemed very happy with the show presented, as I said- that is who the shows are geared to, the majority of fans that attend actual shows are not present on forums, and forums represent a very small fraction of the entire fanbase in actuality.

Not altogether sure of what the general perception is, I'm sure there are a range of views. The industry has changed, but so have the fans and the Album buying, Concert attending public.

I continue to read how there is an increasing tendency to not even listen to complete albums anymore.

So you are saying the success of the Dexter series is directly attributable to the fact that Axl named his cat Dexter?

How about the books, those too?

I think it more likely he's suggesting it was Axl's interest in the show that pushed some of his fans in that direction.

That seems more probable to me that's what he was getting at.

Think its baseless?

It could have had a slight effect, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to me. It's not like "Dexter" was some underground show that nobody knew about. Lots of people were singing its praises. Sometimes it takes a suggestion by someone you respect to check certain things out. But did all these people who supposedly watched "Dexter" because of Axl, go out and buy the entire W.A.S.P. catalog after Axl gave his stamp of approval? I don't remember a groundswell of support in their camp after he mentioned liking them.

Hahahaha.  Fair point.

'Wild Child' was always my favorite of their songs.  The video is preposterous.  Them in the middle of some desert.

Maybe not WASP but I'm sure at least 100 of the 1000 people (joke obviously)that bought a Hanoi Rocks album did so because of Axl...

Sure, because nobody ever heard of Hanoi Rocks on their own, or Elton, or Queen.

Glad you cleared that up for everyone  ::)

I hate the 'R' word due to family member, but I'll make and exception here, you are fucking retarded... Yes I very obviously meant that Axl singlehandedly led every viewer to Dexter on Showtime, just like I meant Ashba wrote every word and note of Sixx AM music.

I'll try to make this easier to follow for you and won't use any 'poetic license'... People like you are sheep, you don't think for yourself. If Axl sells a song to Harley you buy a motorcycle (no I don't mean he's why they sold bikes in 2008), If he names his cat after a show you watch it, because his housekeeper (and some how now manager) is from Brazil you own a flag and or Word Cup soccer jersey from that country (which you won't be seen in without your cold can of Budweiser because he was in a commercial). If he says Slash sucks, you say Slash sucks... if he says Slash is cool tomorrow I'm sure your tune will change.

There are very good things that have happened with this band, and good things that could be coming in the next few years... BUT there is nothing wrong with speculating about what is happening now, or questioning decisions after they become 'official'... what else is there to talk about? Should Jarmo lock all threads and posting capability until Axl decides to make an official announcement and become 'active' again?