Here Today... Gone To Hell!

TMZ is reporting that DJ Ashba, the top hat-wearing dude from Guns N? Roses, was vaping at a Romeo Santos show in Vegas over the weekend when some random dude in the audience told him to keep that sweet sweet e-vapor out of his face. The Guns N? Roses dude reportedly asked, ?What are you going to do about it, buddy?? and the random dude answered by starting a physical fight.

http://jezebel.com/dude-from-guns-n-roses-vapes-dude-in-the-audience-figh-1707461881

Not sure what DJ was thinking or expecting, but I have to laugh at any one who comes out with "What are you going to do about it Buddy?" and doesn't expect that to immediately be followed by a punch in the face. Honestly I think I would even react differently if he said "What are you going to do about it", but the Buddy part at the end would have pushed me over the edge.

If I were Vegas Metro PD I would charge the other guy with misdemeanor assault and battery and DJ with misdemeanor duchebaggery for vapping in public and calling an adult male 'buddy'

I think it's a crime to attempt to insult someone and misspell the intended insult, buddy.  :hihi:

I don't think DJ would last very long inside a Las Vegas jail

Guilty as charged, luckily an expert in the word showed up in the thread to correct me  ;)

I'm much more an expert on "vapping"  :-*

There are signs all over Vegas forbidding smoking, and they do spell out that includes vaping.

DJ is in the wrong to begin with, and saying what he said and how he said it...how is that going to go?

Honestly not sure what he said, or what the particular rules were at that venue, I wasn't there and neither were you.

I hesitate to place much credence in what a source like TMZ reports.

Actually TMZ sports has a pretty good reputation for breaking stories. I don't know if that means everything they touch is accurate.

IF the story is true..it makes him look like a dick.. who knows.

I simply meant sources like TMZ and The Daily News tend to be a little sensationalistic and a bit too tabloid in their reporting. :)

Lol....... I  like the music playing in the background such a perfect song for a brawl......

He deserves a smack for that hair...jesus..

yes  ;D

He deserves violence because of his choice of hairstyle???

Scary standards there you are promoting.  :nervous:

I'm not sure why so many people are so critical of dj's fashion?? Whether you like it or not...who cares how he dresses. He's in his 40's and dresses the way HE wants. Who are you to say how a grown man should look or dress?? It's amazing how many people on here and especially mygnr put so much time and effort into critsizing what DJ wears...it's pretty ridiculous. I'm in my mid 30's, covered in tattoos, have similar hair and dress similar to DJ. I love that I'm comfortable enough to be myself and not dress the way people like you think I should dress. If you think people like myself or DJ deserve to get slapped because of our choice of clothes or hairstyle it's quite pathetic and I feel sorry for you.  : ok:

(http://i1.wp.com/www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dj-ashba-vape.jpg?fit=750%2C1000)

Natalie handled it very well  :hihi:

DJ smokes his e-cigarette with style!

Great post, I agree  :peace:

I don?t think anyone truly cares how DJ or yourself dresses.
I do think that a lot of Guns N? Roses fans, being accustomed to the likes of Slash, Buckethead etc, may be put off by the fact that DJ comes across as a walking rock n? roll cliche, but without the chops to back it up.

I?d be interested to hear what he could come up with in the studio, but his playing on stage at the show I attended, and on Appetite for Democracy left a lot to be desired.
Slash wears a top hat, which people would probably find ridiculous under most circumstances, but when you can make the sounds he does with a guitar, people will happily look past it. If DJ ends up contributing to some GN?R songs that people enjoy, he?ll probably be able to get away with wearing a barney costume.

He?s an easy target, because he?s the replacement of a replacement of a guitar legend, in a big name band that ceased to operate like a band long before he arrived.
Their lack of productivity puts a target on their back, and aside from Axl, DJ is probably the most visible member, as he doesn?t shy from the spotlight.

For me, DJ reminds me of how the classic lineup looked. There is a coolness factor. I had a much bigger issue with Buckethead and Robin being in the band.

I totally agree with you dragun. Buckethead is grest but on his own and as for Robin I wasn't really a fan of his.

Ya I also agree...I think DJ and Richard are a perfect fit for GNR...both sound and image.

Relax, we're just talking and having some fun.
It seems that ashba is a member of your family!!

It has nothing to do with his appearance. ( although I find it almost comical he wears a top hat and ONLY wears it on stage with GNR no less)

Like somebody else said he is just an easy target because he plays in a band called Guns N Roses and hasn't performed on one Guns N Roses song ... Ever.

I'm not a musician but by all accounts he's also the weak link in terms of pure guitar talent.

So again, for the most part it's not his look that people are upset about.

If he's so talentless why would Nikki Sixx & Axl Rose hold him in such high regard. Personally I think he's great on stage and all my friends who saw him agreed. He is a cool guy and to my ear sounds the most like the original recordings. His solo spots are also very good. Tuneful & catchy which is blessed relief after the god awful noise Robin used to play.

I don't think he's talentless... I'm just indifferent about him. If he is ever part of the GNR discography then I would really start to judge him.

I was just giving some examples as to why so many people seem to be down on him, but obviously there is a reason why they make so many different flavors of ice cream. To each their own.

And I gotta tell you... I'd be very annoyed if he blew that smoke in my face too : )

I like his solo spots a lot.  Some of his work on the solos in GNR songs?  Iffy, at times.

I just totally reject the "he's such a poser" arguments.  This is a band that came up with guys named Slash and Duff, for god's sake.  And they had all the same very choreographed poses in photos with liquor and whatnot. 

Yeah I don't care about anything he does really except please leave the Hulk Hogan ears to Terry Bollea.

Yeah, the Hulk ears are lame.

The big difference being the clear talent Slash/Duff possessed.
The jury is still out in regards to what DJ?s strengths are. We?ve only seen him in GN?R as a performer, and while he does bring energy to the show, his playing is less than stellar in my opinion.

One may question Slash?s attire, but no one ever questioned his work ethic or talent.

DJ is a busy man with multiple bands, his art and whatever else he?s into.
It?s obviously working out very well for him, but it?s not hard to understand where the criticism stems from.
He has the impossible task of living up to a living legend, and he?s brought a knife to a gun fight.
I liked the sound of a more blues based guitarist joining the ranks when he was hired, but based off what I?ve seen so far, he is broke man?s Slash, at best.

Buckethead had big shoes to fill as well, but no one could question his work ethic or technical ability.

When I first saw Buckethead and Finck onstage, I though Axl turned GN?R into a train wreck freakshow.
I was pretty horrified. Didn?t help that it was probably a great performance to miss(VMA?s?).
Then I heard The Blues, and thought is sounded great. In the end, no one really gives a shit what the guys on stage look like.
But if you don?t like the music they are playing, their ridiculous attire does provide ammo for some harmless light hearted ribbing.

Also, Slash & Duff's near death experiences with drugs and alcohol are pretty well documented.
Don't think they were posing.

Yeah, but then many people with similar problems don't show it so openly.
Whether it was posing or not, I have no idea. But it sure fit the image of the band at the time, to be so open with drinks and so on.




Would you say what you post on the Internet to his face?
"Having fun" indeed. If we were talking that way about you, would it still be "fun"?



/jarmo

Yeah, but you know what I mean.  Pics where DJ has the alcohol bottle strategically placed.  People get on him for that.

Slash didn't do the same thing though?

Well Slash and Duff were in their early twenties and out of their minds. Maybe they played it up, but it also nearly killed them.
They had to prop Slash up for at least one shoot.

DJ being in his 40?s is probably a bit old to be promoting that lifestyle, but yea, I agree it?s not a big deal at all.
Maybe DJ's a raging alcoholic and it?s not an act.

Regardless, I think that stuff only comes into focus for some because of the shoes and situation he stepped into, and much of it is out of his control.

so no one can joke here? shall we only say wonderful words to all of them? even if we don't like something so simple like a hat? I'm not saying bad things to any of the gnr members and above to any of the users here.. I only said "yes" and put a simle under someonelse's post.
Then "mr JeffK" came and said that we're pathetic and other nice things like this.
so who's the bad one?

I'm the firts to say that sometimes my hats are terrible. and non only hats...
but I'm Italian, maybe I have a different sense of humour.. and of course I have another sense of style. or better, I have style!!!! (Uh I'm making some fun here, don't take it too seriously)

I if should fight with everyone who says that my idol axl is fat, with the voice of a dead mouse, terribly dressed, with horrible hair, etc. I woulkd have no time to do anything else during the day (and the night).

ok ok,  I promise I won't say anything negative here.
I'll type only hearts, smiles, and stuff like that.
just like a teen-age fan of One Direction.

 :love: wow gnr!! I love them. greatest band in the world. fantastic,  they're the best  :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:


is that ok?
I'm not a troll, just a fan and I'm mature enough to discuss peacefully of what I like and of what I dislike of this band.

I didn't know this way a "one way" forum.
for the ancient latins, "forum" was a physical place where you could meet other people and discuss ;)

I'm just saying that some are quick to point out things they don't like because it's the Internet...

Regarding the rest of your post, whatever. For a person who's so into "having fun", joking and commenting on things, constructive criticism aimed at yourself is met with silliness. Expected.



/jarmo

ok the silly italian user is going some where else.
ciao ciao

For me the issue is one of authenticity.  When Slash had a bottle of Jack on stage, I got the impression it?s because he really likes Jack.  With DJ, I get the impression he?s hawking these products, (Monster Energy, AshbaSwag, etc.) and maybe he really likes them too, but the impression I get is he?s trying really hard to look the part of a rockstar (flip off camera, do Hogan ears, drink Jager, repeat).  It just comes more naturally to guys like Slash and Duff.

Then throw in the mix that, with Guns, he plays all songs created by others, and it just adds to the authenticity equation.  Note: I am not a DJ hater...I like his solos (especially BOD) and some of his work with Sixx AM. 

Suddenly this seems highly ironic:


Not so much fun when the tables are turned?



/jarmo

I have mixed emotions about DJ, one part of me find him cool as F, the other
side regrets he's so much the fruit of the capitalistic world we live in today.

I mean, everytime I see the guy, I know he wants to sell me something.
I know you have to these days, but it's kinda too cynical for me maybe.

but in terms of playing, he's doing the job.
and it's a huge Robin amateur who says it, so...

curious to see what he wrotes with Axl.

Will we ever find out though?

I have never heard or never read anything saying that DJ and Axl wrote anything together

What I did read was DJ saying he wrote some material for guns and sent some tracks to Axl

If I were to bet on anything.  I would say that those tracks are still in shape as when DJ passed them to Axl.  I highly doubt they have any vocal work on them

Agreed all around.

I doubt we ever see anything the two do together.

Some of his cut and pasted riffs over top of Bucket/Finck songs is about all we are going to get, I imagine.

?Coming into this, I wasn?t coming in just to play guitar; I?m coming in as a songwriter. Obviously, I?m a producer [as well].
I?m not saying I?m gonna produce a Guns record or whatever? But I?m really excited about the future, because the sky?s the limit."


you don't go public and say that sort of things if you're not hired as a songwriter  by Axl.
OR you're completely dumb.

Its a consequence free statement though.  Its just rah-rah bullshit.

Anyone that truly believed that was a real thing would be asking a full 6 years later what the fucking deal is.

It wouldn't be the first time his statements turned out to be unfounded.  Things change, right?

And what's he going to say after he joins the band?  Of course its going to be that sort of stuff.

Just like every team after the draft really loves their picks and think they found some real value in each round.  Its just a thing you say.

Why do you post here ? You don't sound like you're a fan.....  Smart remark comments.

So, anything on the actual topic, or....what?  What's the story?

Do you see a Rose/Ashba composition in our future, yea or nay?  Why or why not?

my answer is no....Axl is up to something bigger I think....just a guess.

Yes. Because he's in the band.




/jarmo

I would?ve said yes in 2009 but it?s been six years are we?ve heard nothing about this.  Plus, when Axl did speak about new music last year, he talked about CDII and CD remixes.  Since he didn?t mention it when discussing new music, I put the chances at original Axl/DJ music to be very low.  But hey, things can always change.

Just being in the band isn't enough, IMO.  BBF was in the band.  Would you have said the same thing about him a year ago?

I would say Axl has a strong history of making sure any current member of the band gets featured on any new studio release

That being said I don't see any studio release coming from the last touring line up

You think one song out of all the unreleased songs would be super hot.   You would think one track that DJ sent Axl would be so great that Axl couldn't help but lay down some vocals   One song!  Release one song from this past line up!  One song and put it on a soundtrack.   Like they did with oh my god. 

If they can't even find one song to release in all these years.  I can't see them ever releasing a studio album

All exactly right.

Let's be honest.  There is a reason GNR4L decided rather than offer some full throated endorsement of seeing a Rose/Ashba composition in our lifetime, he'd rather talk about what a terrible fan I am. 

Anyone who truly thought there was something to the topic would talk about it, not me.  Talking about how I'm just a terrible person for asking an inconvenient question with a likely unhappy answer is easier than having to confront that reality.  Deflection, FTW.

GK hits all the relevant points as to why its the longest of longest longshots.

All solid points here.  Agreed, all around.

If, god willing, a new album came out, yes, I assume a DJ riff here or there would be present.

But, since we already know they haven't written or worked on anything new since at least 5/12/2006, you have to be a special kind of dreamer to really have hope there is a Rose/Ashba composition in our future, near or distant.

Scientology sounds more probable, frankly.

Different people....

Besides, Richard mentioned working on stuff with Dj... So, that alone differs from BBF.




Where did you pull out this "fact"? As far as I recall, the album was finished in early 2007. Axl was at a recording studio in Las Vegas in January 2007, or just before that.



/jarmo

But we are talking about a potential Rose/Ashba composition.  Obviously not present in 2007 as he wasn't even in the damn band for two more years.

And since then, nothing has been written or worked on.  8 people from this board have written and worked on as many songs as this "band" has.

We are 7 years since the last album, with no real idea when said next album will even come out.  Even when (if?) it does, its going to be 'Chinese' leftovers, likely with some cut and paste jobs from DJ, Frank, or even Ron.

So any Rose/Ashba song would not be until the NEXT album, if there even is a next one.  Even if you think there will be, what is that?  10 years away?

You putting money down on that series of events?

or Stay of Execution is a new project with Axl & DJ  :hihi:

Hahahaha

Sure, why not!

So wait, you can't admit that you were wrong? :D


I just told you how they worked on something in 2007, hence your fact is wrong. No matter how you twist it.

Maybe in your defense you're saying Dj and Axl didn't work on material together before he joined the band. That is true. I'll give you that much.
But do you even need to point it out? :D

Regarding the rest, you really have very little idea what the band have or might not have worked on. So once again, if you don't want to come across as a know-it-all who thinks he knows, tone down the act a bit. :)


/jarmo

Jarmo, if you want to look for the positive spin, I'm not going to stop you.

I obviously am referring to Ron saying time and time and time again that nothing new has been done since he joined up (5/12/2006).

If you choose to say that Axl laying down some vocals on already worked on tracks in early 2007 disproves that, hey...have at it.  It's your dime.

Nothing new with him. Go see what Richard said last year again.
Just because the whole band wasn't together in a studio doesn't mean nobody did anything....



/jarmo

DJ said that in March of 2012.  I think at the time, he believed it.

On GUNS N' ROSES' future:

Ashba: "I don't get involved with any project unless I honestly feel, as a songwriter and producer, I can bring something solid to the table. And with GUNS, I really feel like, outside of playing guitar for them, I'm really excited to get in there and collaborate with this band because Axl has put together one of the most amazing bands; I mean, the musicianship in this band is unbelievable. It's an honor ? it's a huge honor ? and I'm just trying to do the gig justice by trying to stay as true to the original vision as I possibly can.

"Coming into this, I wasn't coming in just to play guitar; I'm coming in as a songwriter. Obviously, I'm a producer [as well]. I'm not saying I'm gonna produce a GUNS record or whatever... But I'm really excited about the future, because the sky's the limit. And I know my goal is the same as Axl's [Rose, vocals], and everyone else's in the band, [which is] to put together what we all feel ultimately would be the next best GUNS N' ROSES record. So that, to me, is really exciting, and I'm always up for a huge challenge. So that's what gets me going."

"We've been touring so much since I've been in the band. Axl, we get together quite a bit, and he has played a lot of stuff he has recorded, which I can't wait to sit down with him and get my hands dirty. Obviously, as a songwriter, I've written and demoed up probably about 12 songs, I think. And some of them he has heard, some of them he hasn't yet. But I think when we get a little bit of time off, we're gonna hopefully all get together and piece together what we think is gonna be the next best thing. But ultimately, this is Axl's baby, and I wanna sit down and really get a good grasp on his vision of where he feels the next record should go and then sit down by his side and make that happen."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dj-ashba-on-guns-n-roses-future-the-sky-s-the-limit/

Right, but your earlier answer was "yes, because he's in the band."  That clearly didn't apply to BBF, so just being in the band isn't enough.  Sure, DJ and Richard may have worked on stuff...but we're not talking about Richard.  Since Axl's never mentioned working on new music with the existing lineup, I'm holding firm that this is a wishful thinking pipedream.  Let's focus on the music we know exists.  Let's get that out first.

So, is it your position that since DJ came aboard that things have been written, worked on, and/or recorded?  New things, I'm talking.  Not a song from 2001 that DJ was given to see if he could add a riff here or there.

It's your feeling that new things have been done since 2009, just all containing the caveat : Pssst...no one tell Ron.

There is always the cop out answer that you can't say for sure.  But that's just avoidance of going on the record.  You are pushing back pretty hard on the idea these things have NOT happened.  Logically, you must believe, at least on some level, that they have.

Yes?

If they were truly working on new material, and that?s probably a big ?if?, I?d fear that it?s probably stale, dated, long over cooked material by now.
If the ideas are there, how long can it take if you?re truly committed?

The situation that Guns N? Roses has become is so far beyond ridiculous, I think Axl?s best bet is to pull the plug.
Assuming Axl is still interested in being an artist, and has been trying to create, then the name has clearly become a hinderance.
It?s been an uphill battle, and 20+ years and one album later, there are no signs it?s getting easier.

The name is always there if he wants to come back to it, but I think people at this point would be more interested in a new project altogether, rather than Guns N? Roses with yet another lineup change.

I think Axl?s still got something to offer. There were flashes on Chinese Democracy. He just needs to pair up with another strong songwriter, and people that can inspire/push him.

If that?s even what he wants. Maybe he?s content playing the hits a couple months out of there year.
If that?s the case, all the power to him.

Honestly, who cares at this point who writes what and who plays on what?  :-\

Axl is Gnr. It is all his baby.

Yes, if you read the question you'd know it was about Dj and whether or not I believe his song writing will be on a future release. Nothing in the question related to other people and their situations.


Dj himself has mentioned that he has written new stuff.

And then there's this: We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things.

Now, if your belief is that Axl's talking about "new things" as in songs written before Ron joined in 2006, that's your own personal interpretation. Not necessarily a fact.



/jarmo


 

The same can't be said for you though?

We're all guessing, for the most part.  Why get so up in arms if someone else's speculation or interpretation is different from your own? 

A guess is a guess, no?  Is its nobility or fairness dependent on your intention?

come on dude, you know Jarmo knows more than you.....

I get what you?re saying, but think that?s a big part of the problem.
Axl was at his best when GN?R operated like a band of equals, and wasn?t just a name/brand that he owned.

Seems much more like a business now, where employees are hired and replaced as needed.
From a financial perspective, I suppose the show must go on, but as far as art goes, it isn't working.

It would be nice to know what Axl?s intentions are, but I guess not knowing, along with the morbid curiosity of how things went and continue to go so wrong is part of the allure.

I?d argue it was part of the allure in the late 90?s/early 00?s.  Now, people are just resigned to the fact (yes, it?s a fact) that he very infrequently releases music.  Choose your reason why (label is holding him back, artistic integrity, he just doesn?t want to) but it?s a sad reality.  More than a year has passed since he was ?seriously looking? at what to do with music that was ?already recorded? and ?been done for a while?.

Gnr hasn' been a band of equals since Izzy left.

"label is holding him back, artistic integrity, he just doesn?t want to"

probably a combo of the 3.....

But how would you shade that pie graph?  That tends to be the argument. 

I think we can all agree its not 33.3%, all around.  Just depends on your breakdown.

Some here have issues accepting that fact. ;)

For me, with my knowledge of English, I interpret this one way: We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things.

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

That's with my limited English knowledge. Keep in mind, it's my third language. Maybe to you as a native speaker it means "We worked on stuff before May 2006 and not a day since". But keep in mind, what other band members have said....



/jarmo

I would say.   He just doesnt want too

Why would the label be holding him back?   

I would agree with the artistic stuff as well, but that is pretty much the same as Axl just doesn't want to release anything   (It would be one of the reasons he has)

It all comes down to Axl not wanting to release anything.   I think

Are you telling me that not one of these songs is mind blowing enough that he just can't find a way to release it in some form?   The band released songs via video games and movie soundtracks and commercials years ago.  If truely there was one song that lit the fire under Axl I am sure he would of found a way to get it out to us.   

Hell if just the music the guys have wrote was earth shattering jaw dropping g.  Why not just release it as a instrumental for the back drop of some movie or something.....    Artists do this all the time

One song!!!!!!

Out of that quote this is what I get

There were tons of songs recorded durring the CD album process that haven't been released  (both lyrics and music).   

The band in its current state has worked on some music. (Be it, tinkering with those above unreleased songs, or supplies Axl with some new riffs or melodies)

As per Axl saying they have have been working on things.   I take this to mean Axl has been working in a producers roll.  Playing around with all the above mentioned material.

However. 

I have a feeling he hasn't layed down any serious vocal tracks in a very long time

Great post, Baconman.  Very well said.

Ultimately, this isn't happening because Axl can't be bothered.    Doesn't mean the label hasn't been a problem in some areas.  Doesn't mean there aren't other issues.

But most things in life come down to "want to".  You can make a million excuses why you don't exercise, but, end of the day...the biggest reason is that you just don't want to.

Well, a new album is Axl's exercise bike.  And he doesn't want to ride the damn thing.

I think when there is talk of working on things, its working on existing songs that have been around for some time.  And dating back to previous sessions and band incarnations.

I do not believe anything new has been done from scratch in YEARS.  And certainly nothing with the current guys on stage.

Listen Bon Jovi, Simply

 : ok:

Question now for you and for the board

So if the agreed apon process of writing songs in the band, is for the most part they are not in a studio all together.  But writte/compose/produce seperatly    Sending material back and forth etc....

How does it work with all these musicians being in other full time bands?  For example

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I remember hearing that durring slashes "trial" period of being an employee to the band.   He had a certain window of time. And after that time any tracks that he recorded or produced while in the studio would be property of guns n roses

I have asked this same thing.

If I came up with something great, am I giving it to Axl to collect dust?  Literally any other avenue I choose gets it out quicker.

Somewhere, Robin Finck is sitting over drinks telling someone his tale of woe of having written some of the best stuff he ever came up with...12-15 years ago...and no one will ever hear it.

From an artist stand point I can feel for both Robin and bucket having there work shelved for years.   Hell some of buckets stuff even got replaced!  So not only did we not get to hear it we may never get to hear it

But

Those two guys got paid a good sallery every month to record those songs and got some pretty good writing royalties once the album came out.   So financially they did ok

As for the current guys that are not on a sallery and would only get paid via a tour of for an album....    Where is the incentive to turn over top notch stuff to Axl?

If Tommy writes a killer 3 min rock/punk track with a killer hook.  Is he going to send it to Axl?  Or keep it for himself, with the excuse its not really gnr..   

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

When Axl says "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard"

Who do you think the "we're" is??

Axl.

hahaha yes I am thinking the same thing..   Just seems pretty strange to use the word "we're".   I cant really see the band and management sitting down in a board room and Axl looking over at Frank and asking for his input to the future of guns music.

And in that year+, what has been done in that regard?  No one knows.  How long can you rely on "mixing and mastering" before it's apparent that there's no real interest in releasing it...or maybe a casual interest at best?

Hahahaha

I assume he just used "we're" as a catch all term for the GNR operation.

We all know only one guy's opinion really matters.

Somewhere, a random forum poster tries to convince himself and others of his faux knowledge and questionable wit by inventing and concocting fantasy scenarios.

So tell us what your time limit is for mixing and mastering, as well as why others should abide and operate by your time constraints.  ::)

Not really strange dude. "We" gets used a lot in the corporate world. Btw, you've been getting much better at writing. I've liked and agreed with your posts.

It's shorter than 6 years, longer than 1.  And, when an album+ worth of songs are "already recorded" and "been done for a while"...it's even shorter.  : ok:

 :hihi:


please Mister Axl Rose, release soon a single to avoid us reading these fantasies.

I don't think there will ever be a GNR release featuring whoever is in the band post Bucket and Robin.

I could be wrong, that's just my opinion, and I base that off of the evidence at hand or lack thereof.

it would just be a shame if the other half of Chinese doesn't ever see the light of the day either... for whatever reasons.

for the record, it only takes a few weeks to master an album.....mixing is a different story...especially mixing songs with six guitar parts, two bass parts, 5 keyboard parts and orchestration!  :D

HaHa yeah... there are a lot of moving parts...

Many people have stated this before... but it tends to get overlooked by some for whatever reason...

When Axl really WANTS to release an album... he will...

Just a guess, but I'd assume that anything recorded on Axl/Gn'R's dime belongs to Axl to use if he sees fit. However, if Tommy or Dj were to record material on their own dime and send it to Axl, I would think there would have to be a written or verbal agreement transferring ownership of that material so that it could potentially be used for a Guns' album by Axl.

Right, but how many people would have heard Finck's stuff if he released it on his own?  Would the riff on Better have been developed into such a great song without Axl involved?

For example, what has gotten Buckethead more royalties and exposure?  His stuff on CD or his 172 solo albums?

Agree with all of this.

If its this much of a struggle to release songs already done, how can you seriously think anything brand new starting from scratch will ever get done?  No shot.

Oh, all very legit.

But if you are Robin, the stuff you did with Axl is his "girlfriend that lives in Niagara Falls".  He can talk about it all the time, but he can never seem to produce it.

I agree with your point that GNR is a better avenue to get something heard.  But sitting in a vault ain't helping anybody.

Why does the quote specify new things?
If it's only about the songs previously written and worked on during the Chinese era, why would you mention "new things"?

Somebody with knowledge of the English language explain to me how that excludes GN'R writing anything new. Thanks. :)


/jarmo

So we're really going to start taking quotes from Axl and the others absolutely literally?  That's a road you want to go down?

Would you like about 100 examples of things that were said that didn't pan out?

on the surface, you have to take it literally...there is nothing in that comment that has to "pan out".

Didn't pan out isn't the fucking issue.

The issue is you taking a quote and spinning it.
You can't deny what he said, only because it doesn't fit your own agenda that "nothing has been worked on". It's really that simple.

Now, that doesn't mean these new things will come out at a time table that suits you. That's a totally different matter and a different source for whining.  :)



/jarmo

OK, well, maybe you'll step up where Jarmo seems to get stricken with laryngitis.

I, personally, assume if we get anything at all, its going to be 'Chinese' leftovers with a few additions here and there from DJ and Frank.  I do not forsee any sort of new songs written in the past 5 years on the next album.

Do you think we will see any sort of Rose/Ashba type efforts on any possible next album?

Dancing around the issue.
Once again, you're never wrong because you choose not to admit it.  :hihi:



/jarmo

I've moved on to other folks that might actually be interested in a conversation on the matter, Jarmo.

Maybe if you head off to see The Wizard, you can one day join us in that endeavor.

Even if new songs written from scratch with the current lineup don't make the next album, Dj exchanging solos with Robin or Buckethead on an already recorded song the way Robin and Buckethead exchange solos on the Chinese' title track could be cool.

No doubt.

And let's be honest, most of us just want some new songs.  Bucket/Robin stuff untouched, Bucket/Robin stuff with additions from Ron or DJ, or even brand new stuff from Rose/Ashba.  I don't think any of us would quibble over any particular form new material takes.

I just think, of that list, the Rose/Ashba option is an incredible longshot.  And really, Bucket/Robin stuff untouched is also probably unlikely.  Bucket/Robin stuff with flourishes from DJ/Ron is the best bet, in my view. 

Your constant need for lame insults is nothing new.
You're obviously unable to take in facts that go against whatever resides inside your mind. New information is not welcome there.

You started repeating a twisted version of an actual fact as something you knew as a fact, then when questioned about it, you chose to point your finger elsewhere to draw attention to it.

You want to discuss things? Right. I got a bridge to sell.  : ok:




Yeah. I agree with that.




/jarmo

OK, let's try again.  You ducked it the first time, perhaps you can catch it on the rebound.

Do you think there is much chance any sort of Rose/Ashba type song has been done in the past 5 years and would find its way onto the next album?

This is not hard.  Its a yes/no question.  This is not a court of law, and no one is going to carve it in stone.

But if you are going to get this charged up when someone tells you they think its a pipe dream, I think it only fair you go on record with what your read is.

Yes...or no?

He mentions "a few new things" when referring to the second half of Chinese ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese."

The "new things" pertain to the second half of Chinese.

You could maybe make the argument that "some new things" could wind up being part of "the second half of Chinese"

That maybe something new done within the past 5 years could accompany old leftover Bucket/Robin stuff.

But my question is...what does your gut tell you?  I know what Axl said.  Axl says a lot of things. 

Yet in your heart of hearts, do you think there will be something new done within the past 5 years in that tracklist?

Thank you.

Do you realize that you just wrote that 'Axl says a lot of thing'?

about to say, he rarely if ever talks about his music or his business...very rarely.

Not in terms of volume, but reliability.

I'm saying instead of just parroting back what Axl said, what do you, the poster reading this, think of the chances anything on the album will be something new done since DJ came aboard?

And I mean anybody reading this.

For the most part musicians do not write music in the studio   inwould say most stuff is written at home or on a touring bus.   It's not like DJ says turn the recorder on I am just going to randomly make some thing up.   Or Axl says try that tape ready, I am going to start spitting out some random lyrics.   Most if not anything is already written.  Then comes the recording process

So I ask again

Why would anyone in the band write anything for guns n roses?   I personally think guns would be a great forum for a musician to get his work out to the masses and make some major money

But....

If your music is just going to sit on a shelf....

The way smaller percentage you would make getting your music out via one of your other bands, sure out weighs the zero percentage you would make with your stuff just sitting there.   Unless your in the dust collecting business

Personally, I would only ever turn over my draw dropping, top tier written work to Axl.  If there was a written guarantee that it would either be used right away on a studio album and I would be given royalties    Or if guns just bought my work for a shit ton of cash.  To use as they see fit

If neither of those above scenarios happend.   I would never turn over any material.  Save all the stuff for my other bands.  And just use guns as my high paying touring band.......     

I think there's a 50% chance of it being "brand new" material on the next release.

I don't think there's a question on whether or not that material exists, but what sort of songs they wanna use on the next release. By that I mean strictly Chinese-era songs, Dj-era songs or a combo.

Why do I think there exist songs by the current line-up?

- Tommy said three years ago there's a lot of new stuff written
- Axl's comment from last year
- Dizzy mentioned finishing up songs and sending material to eachother
- Richard said 6 months ago Axl was working in the studio
- Richard also said that the band had been working on material, excluding Ron. That, to me means post Chinese songs.

You make a case.

I may not totally agree with it, but this is the sort of thing I was going for.  Finding who thought what and why.

Good post, Spirit.  Hope like hell you are right.

Yes, but it says AND. Doesn't that imply that the songs from the Chinese era have been worked on AND they wrote new things?
Otherwise all those songs altogether are new things.

If you want to say every song is new you'd say something like: We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We?ve worked more on some of those new things?
Why would you mention songs recorded during the Chinese sessions and specify new things if you're not talking about the same bunch of songs? Seems like he's talking about two batches of material that could end up on the same album.


Didn't duck anything. Kinda hard to have a serious discussion with somebody who states his wrong opinion as facts and runs away when proven wrong.

Define a Rose/Ashba song.
If Dj writes a solo to a pre-existing Axl Rose song, is that a Rose/Ashba song? If Axl uses a riff Dj wrote for a part in a song, is that a Rose/Ashba song?
See, your "simple yes/no question" isn't as simple as you imply.




/jarmo

Except...it is.

Do you think, on whatever the next album will be...there a song written/worked on/recorded 2009 or beyond?

What it's gonna be, boy...yes...or...no?

In case you still are going to claim all this alleged confusion, let me spell it out.  I think any new album doesn't have anything that wasn't done in the CD sessions, YEARS ago, pre-DJ. 

Do you agree, or disagree?

If there ever is a next album and DJ is still in the band when it comes out.   He will have a presence on the album......   I highly doubt it will be anything musically wise DJ brought in.   But rather him adding parts here and there to already written songs.... 

Why would they want to write new music anywYs, when they have all this content already recorded?

Also....

As much as DJ has grown on me and I think he does bring lots to the band.  TheBaconmans head would probably explode if I read some place that Axl wanted more Ashba and less Buckethead!!!! 

You seem to be implying he means new "songs", he doesn't say that, he says "a few new things."

All while talking about "the second half of Chinese."

Sigh, it is not that black and white, let me explain-

If you come along when the song has been finished and you tweak a couple things then NO, you don't need any kind of writing credit and should just get over yourself. That's not writing, that's fine tuning - it's editing. And an editor of a paper doesn't get writer credit for the article they are working on - the author gets that credit.

If you make significant changes or additions to a song that majorly impacts the meaning of a verse or causes a drastic shift in the story, then yes, you deserve some writing credit.

I think it is almost a certainty that DJ has contributed toward some of the material, to what degree remains to be seen.

Well big girl, I disagree.

And once again, you're talking in circles and talking about different things.
Which one is it? Dj/Axl compositions or songs worked on after 2009?

They might not be the same thing.
Everyone can see that.
 
To clarify, unlike you, I don't claim to know to what degree Dj's contribution will be on GN'R's next release. I wouldn't be surprised if he's featured.



/jarmo