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Title: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: Spirit on May 28, 2015, 01:10:09 PM
One of the most talked about songs in the wake of the release. I remember the majority of people putting this song up there among their favorites, including me.

I remember hearing this one for the first time right off the album, no leaks. The first thing that stood out for me was the chorus, it just hit me like a freight train... goosebumps. It's not the "in your face" type of chorus, but I think the phrasing of the vocals here is just genius, best chorus on the album.

The mood of the song is quite dark, and I like that as well. Lyrics are... ok. Guitar solo is good.



Heard this one live and it was great, but usually I think they play it a bit too early in the set, being a slow song and all. It kinda put the brakes on right after the usual opening quartet, it would've fitted nicely in near the end of a concert.

I've distanced myself from it for some time now because I overplayed it... It's been a while, I think I'll put it on now!  :D


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: LongGoneDay on May 28, 2015, 01:21:06 PM
I like the dark feel of the song. Think it had potential, but find the lyrics to be cheesy which really drags the song down.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: HBK on May 28, 2015, 02:10:35 PM
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Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: rebelhipi on May 28, 2015, 05:39:08 PM
Its a good song. Not my favourite. But good. It is a stronger live track i think.

My favourite part is the guitar solo. This album has the best solos period. And the verse after the solo with the whistling and such.

Ashba and Frank does a killer job live on this track. Theres also some great synth/effect work going on live versions. They make the song better live.

This song reminds me of 2008-2012 gnr era.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: GNR2014 on May 28, 2015, 07:39:52 PM
The first time I heard "Sorry," I laughed.
I thought it was dumb.

Then a funny thing happened after I listened to it a few more times.
It grew on me and I came to appreciate it.
It became one of my favorite songs on CD.

I love the vibe, the lyrics, and Buckethead's David Gilmour guitar solo.
Good stuff.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: draguns on May 28, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
I definitely like this song. I feel it's a strong track and like the dark vibe to it.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: TheBaconman on May 28, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
I really liked this song when I first heard it,  For me, it hasn't aged well though


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: D-GenerationX on May 28, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Hated it initially.

To be clear, never hated the music.  Even from the jump, thought the guitar work was excellent.

But the lyrics...ugh. I could never believe in all the leaks we got, none of the new songs really delved into how those other bastards in the band, if not the universe itself, was conspiring to keep Axl down.  I figured that would be a constant theme.  I was pleased there wasn't.

Then I heard this.  And thought, oh...there it is.

Here's the thing.  Its a strong, strong vocal.  I think 'Better' is the best vocal on the album, but I thought the "you got all the answers..." and "nobody owes you..." passages were the best example on the album of the Axl I grew up on. 

Over time, I kept giving the song more chances.  Over time, I was impressed enough with the music and the vocals to look past the pissy lyrics.

Solid tune.

(but not a fan of it live, because I think it kills the crowd)


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: mortismurphy on May 28, 2015, 11:15:03 PM
Quote
I'll kick your ass
Like I said that I would

Axl at his worst.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: JAEBALL on May 29, 2015, 08:50:53 AM
I like the guitar parts in this song, always have.

I just can't like a Guns N Roses song that is so very clearly about the break up of Guns N Roses. So it ruins the song for... that's just me. I usually skip it over when I have the record on in the car.



Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: D-GenerationX on May 29, 2015, 09:19:07 AM

Quote
I'll kick your ass
Like I said that I would

Axl at his worst.


And its not even accurate.  That's the real crime here.  Those words are the boasts of a man that came back and took over the world.

Not a dude that dropped an album under the cover of night and then went into Witness Protection for a year.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: TheBaconman on May 29, 2015, 12:24:51 PM
This song has also forced me to read useless posters quoting lyrics from this song for nearly 10 years now

Yea I get it, you don't owe me a damn thing.  And yes I understand, you will get kick my ass like you said you would

Ugh


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: LIGuns on May 29, 2015, 12:31:10 PM
One of my favorites and one I was anticipating after hearing Sebastian Bach talk about it..I was disappointed when they played it at a NJ concert I was at, about 4th in the set, and the crowd sat down...I don't get how people can go to a concert and not give the new/current album a chance...It can be viewed as the band breaking up, but also percerveing through negative vibes..


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: Spirit on May 29, 2015, 01:20:43 PM

I was disappointed when they played it at a NJ concert I was at, about 4th in the set, and the crowd sat down...I don't get how people can go to a concert and not give the new/current album a chance...



This is what I was talking about, it's usually played too early in the set.. Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with people not giving the new music any chance, but rather the fact that it's a slow ballad played very early in the set.

As the first song in the encore, it would have been perfect I think.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: EmilyGNR on May 29, 2015, 01:51:15 PM
This song has also forced me to read useless posters quoting lyrics from this song for nearly 10 years now

Yea I get it, you don't owe me a damn thing.  And yes I understand, you will get kick my ass like you said you would

Ugh

I may be wrong, but I always thought those lyrics about kicking ass were referring to a line in "get in the ring".

I absolutely love Sorry, it is dark, menacing and reminds me of Pink Floyd  :love:


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: D-GenerationX on May 29, 2015, 02:02:41 PM

This song has also forced me to read useless posters quoting lyrics from this song for nearly 10 years now

Yea I get it, you don't owe me a damn thing.  And yes I understand, you will get kick my ass like you said you would

Ugh


Hahahaha.

True.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: nick6sic6 on May 29, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
One of my fav off the record.Not quite as doom-metal like Sebastian Bach described the song in 2006 but i love the darkness in the song.Guitars are perfect,chorus is bigger-than-life and the lyrics are...well,eye opening in some sense.
A GN'R classic song already imo with Better,Madagascar,TWAT and This I Love.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: jarmo on May 29, 2015, 04:21:12 PM

Quote
I'll kick your ass
Like I said that I would

Axl at his worst.


And its not even accurate.  That's the real crime here.  Those words are the boasts of a man that came back and took over the world.

Not a dude that dropped an album under the cover of night and then went into Witness Protection for a year.

Unless you know who and/or what exactly he's referring to and in what kind of time frame, how can you make that statement as a fact? :D

You're interpreting the lyrics and jumping to conclusions.
Which is exactly what great lyrics are supposed to do. No harm in that. But, it's just your personal theory. Something to keep in mind. :)


Love the song. Another little different facet of the GN'R diamond.



/jarmo


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: GNR2014 on May 29, 2015, 06:02:58 PM
I remember the first time I heard "Sorry" on my car stereo.
It's like Axl is sitting there in the car next to you.
Definitely recommended,


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: mortismurphy on May 29, 2015, 07:10:37 PM

Quote
I'll kick your ass
Like I said that I would

Axl at his worst.


And its not even accurate.  That's the real crime here.  Those words are the boasts of a man that came back and took over the world.

Not a dude that dropped an album under the cover of night and then went into Witness Protection for a year.

Unless you know who and/or what exactly he's referring to and in what kind of time frame, how can you make that statement as a fact? :D

You're interpreting the lyrics and jumping to conclusions.
Which is exactly what great lyrics are supposed to do. No harm in that. But, it's just your personal theory. Something to keep in mind. :)


Love the song. Another little different facet of the GN'R diamond.



/jarmo


They are terrible lyrics though. Whether they are about Slash, Stephanie Seymour. They are the heir to the truly cringeworthy Get in the Ring and Shotgun Blues (''you can suck my ass'').


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: TheBaconman on May 29, 2015, 07:54:32 PM
Hated it initially.

To be clear, never hated the music.  Even from the jump, thought the guitar work was excellent.

But the lyrics...ugh. I could never believe in all the leaks we got, none of the new songs really delved into how those other bastards in the band, if not the universe itself, was conspiring to keep Axl down.  I figured that would be a constant theme.  I was pleased there wasn't.

Then I heard this.  And thought, oh...there it is.

Here's the thing.  Its a strong, strong vocal.  I think 'Better' is the best vocal on the album, but I thought the "you got all the answers..." and "nobody owes you..." passages were the best example on the album of the Axl I grew up on. 

Over time, I kept giving the song more chances.  Over time, I was impressed enough with the music and the vocals to look past the pissy lyrics.

Solid tune.

(but not a fan of it live, because I think it kills the crowd)

I agree with a lot of this

The guitar work still holds up and musically wise I loved the songs and still like it. 

I really like the tone of Axls voice.  I would love to hear him sing more songs in this way.  As he gets older it may be easier for him to do as well, unlike a welcome to the jungle style

The lyrics are the only a thing to me, that hasn't aged very well....    After listening a few times, I am pretty much, alright already....


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: TheBaconman on May 29, 2015, 08:00:30 PM
This song has also forced me to read useless posters quoting lyrics from this song for nearly 10 years now

Yea I get it, you don't owe me a damn thing.  And yes I understand, you will get kick my ass like you said you would

Ugh

I may be wrong, but I always thought those lyrics about kicking ass were referring to a line in "get in the ring".

I absolutely love Sorry, it is dark, menacing and reminds me of Pink Floyd  :love:

Oh I love me some pink Floyd as well

But I am pretty sure all the quotes we get from the unwashed masses are from this song. 

Not much I have see from the old school songs


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: EmilyGNR on May 29, 2015, 08:32:07 PM

Quote
I'll kick your ass
Like I said that I would

Axl at his worst.


And its not even accurate.  That's the real crime here.  Those words are the boasts of a man that came back and took over the world.

Not a dude that dropped an album under the cover of night and then went into Witness Protection for a year.

Unless you know who and/or what exactly he's referring to and in what kind of time frame, how can you make that statement as a fact? :D

You're interpreting the lyrics and jumping to conclusions.
Which is exactly what great lyrics are supposed to do. No harm in that. But, it's just your personal theory. Something to keep in mind. :)


Love the song. Another little different facet of the GN'R diamond.



/jarmo


They are terrible lyrics though. Whether they are about Slash, Stephanie Seymour. They are the heir to the truly cringeworthy Get in the Ring and Shotgun Blues (''you can suck my ass'').

I happen to like the afore mentioned lyrics, and can definitely see how they could apply to some people, who are cringeworthy on a daily basis.  :-*


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: EmilyGNR on May 29, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
This song has also forced me to read useless posters quoting lyrics from this song for nearly 10 years now

Yea I get it, you don't owe me a damn thing.  And yes I understand, you will get kick my ass like you said you would

Ugh

I may be wrong, but I always thought those lyrics about kicking ass were referring to a line in "get in the ring".

I absolutely love Sorry, it is dark, menacing and reminds me of Pink Floyd  :love:

Oh I love me some pink Floyd as well

But I am pretty sure all the quotes we get from the unwashed masses are from this song. 

Not much I have see from the old school songs

Love your reference to "the unwashed masses"  :hihi:


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: LIGuns on May 29, 2015, 08:55:15 PM
I felt a Pink Floyd vibe as well..


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: The Wight Gunner on May 31, 2015, 04:31:13 AM

Quote
I'll kick your ass
Like I said that I would

Axl at his worst.


And its not even accurate.  That's the real crime here.  Those words are the boasts of a man that came back and took over the world.

Not a dude that dropped an album under the cover of night and then went into Witness Protection for a year.

Unless you know who and/or what exactly he's referring to and in what kind of time frame, how can you make that statement as a fact? :D

You're interpreting the lyrics and jumping to conclusions.
Which is exactly what great lyrics are supposed to do. No harm in that. But, it's just your personal theory. Something to keep in mind. :)


Love the song. Another little different facet of the GN'R diamond.



/jarmo


They are terrible lyrics though. Whether they are about Slash, Stephanie Seymour. They are the heir to the truly cringeworthy Get in the Ring and Shotgun Blues (''you can suck my ass'').

I always thought this song was about Doug Goldstein, the Slash song (for me anyway) on CD is Prostitute...


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: LIGuns on May 31, 2015, 07:15:23 AM
I think Axl said this and TWAT were not necessarily about one specific person or moment but about many experiences..bad ass lyric "the difference is that nobody cares about you"..


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: jarmo on June 01, 2015, 01:19:14 PM
I always thought this song was about Doug Goldstein, the Slash song (for me anyway) on CD is Prostitute...

There you go. The lyrics could be about one person, or multiple persons over the years.....
Free to your own interpretation.  :)


/jarmo



Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: russkwtx on June 01, 2015, 01:35:47 PM
It is one of my favorites on the album and I liked it immediately. I think it is great live and am not convinced that it breaks the show's momentum anymore than Estranged at song number 5 or 6 does. It just changes the flow a bit but it's such a strong and powerful song that I don't mind at all.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: jarmo on June 01, 2015, 01:38:51 PM
Anything new and/or unknown will have the same effect on a show.
It's not a song specific thing. Happens at all concerts....



/jarmo


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: HBK on June 04, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
I  :love: Sorry


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: 19AT5 on November 12, 2015, 12:59:17 PM
I actually quite like Sorry. The guitar solo is really cool and the chorus is killer. The lyrics are pretty poor in my opinion, but each to their own. Can somebody answer me this though - what the hell is going on with Axl's voice when he sings: "But I don't want to do it?". It's totally out of context with the rest of the song and stands out like a sore thumb!


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: Wooody on November 12, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
I actually quite like Sorry. The guitar solo is really cool and the chorus is killer. The lyrics are pretty poor in my opinion, but each to their own. Can somebody answer me this though - what the hell is going on with Axl's voice when he sings: "But I don't want to do it?". It's totally out of context with the rest of the song and stands out like a sore thumb!

 :hihi: I like it. It is weird I'll give you that.
Its kind of a like a kid saying, BUt I just don't want to?. clean the room, because he'd rather be playing.  ;D


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: D-GenerationX on November 12, 2015, 01:29:28 PM

I actually quite like Sorry. The guitar solo is really cool and the chorus is killer. The lyrics are pretty poor in my opinion, but each to their own. Can somebody answer me this though - what the hell is going on with Axl's voice when he sings: "But I don't want to do it?". It's totally out of context with the rest of the song and stands out like a sore thumb!


It's totally conspicuous.

I always assumed it was some inside joke.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: Virolec on November 12, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
Chinese Democracy is a very good record, but I really cannot stand this song.  Some of the others are a bit lightweight, but this is the only song I consistently skip when listening to that album. 


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: AHUGEAxlFan on November 12, 2015, 09:09:55 PM
Awesome live https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=loNHrmWZCEk


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: 19AT5 on November 13, 2015, 06:57:45 PM

I actually quite like Sorry. The guitar solo is really cool and the chorus is killer. The lyrics are pretty poor in my opinion, but each to their own. Can somebody answer me this though - what the hell is going on with Axl's voice when he sings: "But I don't want to do it?". It's totally out of context with the rest of the song and stands out like a sore thumb!


It's totally conspicuous.

I always assumed it was some inside joke.


In my opinion, that line just sounds bloody stupid! It doesn't fit with the rest of the song.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: CheapJon on November 16, 2015, 01:38:40 PM
Sorry is fucking great. I love the powerful ending, probably the best part of the song. Chorus is awesome. Love the dragged out almost monotonous "MEEEEEEEEEEE". One of the best songs on the album. A great blend with soothing verses and heaviness in the chorus.  :smoking:


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: CheapJon on November 16, 2015, 01:41:42 PM
Awesome live https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=loNHrmWZCEk
Ugh, Ashba. Glad he's out.

I actually quite like Sorry. The guitar solo is really cool and the chorus is killer. The lyrics are pretty poor in my opinion, but each to their own. Can somebody answer me this though - what the hell is going on with Axl's voice when he sings: "But I don't want to do it?". It's totally out of context with the rest of the song and stands out like a sore thumb!
I'm not 100% sure but I think Axl answered that question in the legendary forum chats. Can't remember the answer though so you'll have to look it up yourself.  : ok:

Actually couldn't find the answer in the chats now when I was speed reading the answers, maybe it's in there maybe it's not but if you haven't read the whole thing I'd recommend you to do it. It's awesome. Wish he could've done it more times.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: D-GenerationX on November 16, 2015, 03:47:32 PM

Sorry is fucking great. I love the powerful ending, probably the best part of the song. Chorus is awesome. Love the dragged out almost monotonous "MEEEEEEEEEEE". One of the best songs on the album. A great blend with soothing verses and heaviness in the chorus.  :smoking:


Agreed.  The end is the strongest part.

Solid musicianship on that tune.


Title: Re: The Flashback: #10 - Sorry
Post by: jarmo on November 16, 2015, 03:52:06 PM
Quote
With Sorry.. like a lot of the material is drawn from a lot of different situations. The main focus on the boards w/the track seems to be either Slash or "the fans" (and the collective of "the fans" is another thing that doesn't work for me) and is much too restrictive or narrow and limits what I feel I intended.

For me it's for anyone talking nonsense at mine and the public's expense and that many of those as well as the public don't know who to believe.




/jarmo