Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Supposedly a tribute to John Lennon - Catcher In The Rye.

I first heard the demo of the song, with the Brian May solo. Sound quality wasn't too good on the demo, but I remember thinking this demo 'stood out' somehow from the rest of the demos. I got the feeling of it being more of a 'traditional' song in a sense, still different than classic Guns though.

I think Bumble did a good job on the solo, it definitely retains a bit of the May vibe. The song is good, it's a mellow song that's a good listen when you want to chill out. I like the lyrics as well, especially the final verses.

It definitely has a Beatles vibe to it as well, listen to the backing vocals for instance.

I still listen a lot to this song. Unfortunately though, it's another song I haven't experienced live.

I thought the original demo was really, really good.

But, as you said, the sound quality was far more iffy than on the other leaks.  I assumed once they cleaned it up, it would be awesome and destined to be a live staple for years.

Then...I heard the version on the album.  Which is just a mess.

Ron's guitar solo is way overbearing, in every way possible.  Its too loud for the rest of the song.  We all know this album contains several cut and pastes, but this one might be the most egregious example.  Its like a bad toupee.

My iPod playlists all have the demo with Brian May.  I'm not sure I have heard the album version 10 times in 7 years.  I was horrified the night I bought it, and only go back to it every now and again to see it my feelings mellowed.

They never have.

I agree that this one was overproduced...too many things going on.   Would love to hear a remix stripped down version as its actually a great song. 

That was the most frustrating thing.  There's a very good song underneath that busy mix.

I thought this was the only real example of hearing a leak ahead of time hurting perception of the finished product.

I remember being pleasantly surprised that Catcher showed up on the track list when published a month before the release.

I think I had gotten it into my head that since the source of the demo was a different one than the rest of them, it didn't belong with that particular group of songs.

Could have been executed better in the studio, but a great jam overall.
Dig this version.

https://youtu.be/FeF0CzohB0Q

I first heard this song when the album came out.

At first i didnt care much about the song. Funnily enough it took me until 2014 to Catcher to become one my fav tracks. The trick was the excellent live versions the band did last year.
The song flows really nicely, the key moments for some reasons i dont know are the piano thing at 1:38, and someone that belongs insane, like I do. part. Also the solos Especially the ending of the first one.

Again the drum track is like the song marvelous, and fun to play. the structure of the song is unusual, and it makes the song kinda float in a way i think.

I like the mixing/production on the album version, i get why some dont, but i dig it. The solo is damn loud and damn good, and it works for me, it dosent take away from the rest.

Id like to poin out that its the only track on the album that does not feature Buckethead.

This I Love is the other one.

It sort of reminds me of "Yesterdays" a little bit.

Yeah, same here.

I thought this could be an encore staple for the new band.

Oops. I forgot that he didnt play on that.

Another track that's great to hear live.  : ok:




/jarmo

Here, I agree.  Pretty decent on most bootlegs.

Even better in person at the show.


/jarmo

Anybody else wonder why they changed the guitar parts so much?

I'm just comparing it to how painstakingly Axl tried to have Brain recreate all Josh's parts so specifically.

Maybe it's just about letting the guitar players make their own interpretation and leaving their mark on it?



/jarmo

So why not Brain?

Why Brain didn't write his own parts? Well he kinda did the parts Josh did with his feel.

And you're talking about one song versus multiple songs.


Or maybe it just sounded better or just more representative of that moment in time?




/jarmo

MB Axl just really liked the drum parts and not the guitar parts

Being such a huge Queen fan, I would think Axl would consider it quite a coup to get Brian May on a new track.

I wonder why he decided against the May solo.. Could it be because Brian wasn't happy with it at the time, as Axl explained?

I get that he wanted the band members (at the time) to be featured as much as possible, but Bumble is one of the members featured on most songs anyway.

I remember reading that May was very surprised his solo didn't make the final cut.

Like I have said before.  I can just picture Axl having a party and throwing on the version with May playing on his home studio.   

With all due respect to Ron, he was a guy most of never heard of before 5.12.2006.  Brian May is a legend.

Now, if you were going to have Bumble redo some of Bucket's parts, because Ron was part of the band and Bucket was gone...OK.

But I can't see making the same concession that costs you guitarwork from a true legend, and from a band you grew up loving.

It would be like one of us having a band that did a song Slash played on, but we erase for some dude no one has ever heard of.

I was referring to the time when Brian recorded the solo in the studio with Axl and Caram. The solo itself was a cut and paste job, and Brian wasn't happy with the result when hearing it for the first time.

Axl said that he thought Brian had warmed up to it over time, but I think there's a possibility that Axl came to a point where he wasn't sure about it and decided to replace the solo not to upset Brian. To be on the safe side so to speak.

I think if Brian came into the studio and played this amazing solo in one take, things would be different. It would have been an insult to Brian to have it replaced.

The fact that the solo was constructed by Axl and Caram on the computer from several takes of Brian maybe made it less difficult to replace. More so if Brian wasn't too sure about it himself.

I read somewhere probably a Brain interview. That he recorded first all the tracks note for note Josh Freese style. probably in 2001.
Then when that was done, he recorded the same tracks again, but now in his own way, where he could basically write his own parts.

Thats why on the liner notes there is  written ''Drum arrangement: Josh Freese'' on four tracks, Street, TWAT, Riad and Prostitute. So that would mean they used the Brains: Josh Freese version or parts of it on those songs. And the rest of the songs, like Catcher would have been the written by:Brain(or Frank on some occasions)  version of the drum track. 

Besides the drum track is really different throughout the song on the 2000 leak compared to the album version. The ending of the leak version where Josh goes a little nuts with his fills, is a good example.

The drum tracks of the Twat 2000 leak and album version are really similar. Brain is playing note by note what Josh played.

I think Rons solo is by far better on the album compared to Brians solo on the leak. Maybe Axl or someone else thinks the same.

The leak that i have is somehow slowed down. there could be a slight tempo difference on the the version that Brian play at. Or a minuscule change on the arrangement.

It could be a tone,or sound problem that prevented Brians version to be used. Tommy said that he recorded all his bass parts something like 3-5 times over the years. By this i mean that a guitar part recorded in 1999 does not necessarily sound good with a backing track recorded in 2005 in a different studio with different equipment.


This is some reasons why they did end up with a Bumblefoot solo.

Brain Is One Excelent Dj, Writing, Producer, Work Whit DRUMS, Turntables & MPC:

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Yeah, I know who Brain is....


I'm talking about Brian May, the guitar player of Queen.

Sorry

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No worries. :)

Today it's 35 years since John Lennon died.

Why not listen to this song.....




/jarmo

RIP JL /// Amazing Musics

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Amazing demo. It would've rock if that was the final version.

What a brilliant song and a beautiful tribute to Lennon.

I remember watching a football game and getting that horrible news all those years ago.  :no:

love it. the brian may stuff is irrelevant to me. i i just dont think or care about that kind of thing. to me it seems like anyone who would may just be trying to make a fuss. its hardly noticeable unless you really really care about those kinda of details. i dont care who played what. someone is playing, thats good enough for me.

the whole "industrialized mind" thing really hits home. people are shaped like cookies with a cookie cutter. like in japan, if you ask someone to try some food, the reaction is always the same. "umai!". its like a tv commercial. pretty scary shit. this country just reminds me of rod and todd from the simpsons, or like a giant daycare center run by flanders.

100% agree with this. Still remember listening to the demos with my headphones on while walking home from school and just feeling it. Oh how time flies. I really like that "raw sound" that particular version has, it's amazing. On the record it's too clean and stuffed with all kinds of things, even though the song itself is still great.

If they did the same thing they did with catcher but say, replaced bbf or djs part with a slash overdub, I wonder what kind of reaction it would get?

I really like this one.  I've never heard the demos of it, so I can't compare the album version to it; but I think this is one of the songs where the sheer amount of stuff going on works in its favour.  And in terms of the pacing of the album, it works very well coming after There Was A Time, I think.

agreed on both points! gotta love that complexity. and right after the wild energy of twat, the cocaine and broken glass, you get this nice classic sounding song that lyrically reveals a completely different side of axl than twat does. it even has a sort of memorial sound to it. i bet lenin would have loved it. wonder what yoko has to say about it, or anyone else connected to him?   

Extremely positive. 

Both because of who it was, but also because it would probably showcase better guitar playing.

Guns N' Roses live @ L'Arc - Catcher In The Rye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lcEK0GGsaA

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That's a nice version hbk! :)

Axl HAPPY The Beggining & Tommy ANGRY The End

GUNS N' ROSES Is INSANE

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