Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Del James, a close friend of GUNS N' ROSES lead singer Axl Rose who also works as the band's road manager, says that Rose is not nearly as hard to deal with as he is portrayed in the media.

During an appearance earlier tonight on "At The Fights", a boxing talk show on SiriusXM, James spoke about his relationship with Axl.

He said: "I've been down with [Rose] since 1985. If the guy was as difficult as people say he is, no one could have stuck it out that long. There's no amount of money worth that big of a headache. And the reality is, the truth of the matter is, whenever my kids needed something and I couldn't afford it ? whatever it was; a medical bill or whatever ? he was the first one [to say] 'Yeah, I got it. And don't worry about it.'

 He is the guy who you call if you make a mistake and need to be bailed out at 4 o'clock in the morning. He makes sure you're taken care of, and he looks after his better than anyone else I can think of."

"At The Fights" with Randy "Commish" Gordon and "Gentleman" Gerry Cooney airs Mondays and Fridays 6-8 p.m. EST on SiriusXM Sports Zone channel 92 at the SiriusXM app.

Del's short story about a woman who kills herself was reportedly the inspiration for the GUNS N' ROSES video for the song "November Rain".

The last GUNS N' ROSES album, "Chinese Democracy", came out in 2008 and ended a 17-year gap between collections of all-new material.

Rose, guitarist D.J. Ashba and other members of the current lineup have hinted at material recorded during the "Chinese Democracy" sessions that has yet to surface.
Rose is the only original member of GUNS N' ROSES still in the current lineup, which has toured intermittently since 2006 and played its second Las Vegas residency last year.

Listen to interview here
https://m.soundcloud.com/siriusxmsportszone/del-james-shares-enlightening-information-on-axl-rose-on-sports-zone-92

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/axl-rose-is-the-guy-you-call-if-you-make-a-mistake-and-need-to-be-bailed-out-at-4-oclock-in-the-morning/#jJ4qw4ccgiulB17l.99

Thanks for posting!

Thanks for posting.


Yeah, negativity, bullshit and sensationalism sells.




/jarmo

That's all there is, 2 minutes of an interview?

Well geez... I would sure hope the guy who paid his debts off and helped him with his kids has good things to say about him..

I think we all understand Axl is a good loyal dude to his people.

The sensationalism and negativity has more to do with the late concert starts, riots and songs like with controversial lyrics... all stuff that happened a while back.

But anyway, wasn't Del interviewed about boxing? Does anybody know what makes him an authority on boxing? lol...

Or is he just a big fan who is somewhat famous?

Edit: and btw if Axl Rose wasn't the bad ass motherfucker with all the "negativity" then he'd be Bon jovi... and raise ur hand if you are all big Bon Jovi fans

I'm guessing the rest was about boxing.



/jarmo

The public can only go by what they are given.  If Axl chose to show more of the side of him that his friends seem to describe, his public perception would be very different.

But he doesn't choose to show that side, for whatever reason.  His public perception is based on the side he does choose to show.

Life is what you make it.  It not on the public to do their own background check on the man, or any person in public life.

Cuts both ways too.  Perhaps there is a famous person with a pretty solid rep who is actually a huge dick if you really got to know him.  We only go by what we can see.

Yeah, I was also wondering what was Del doing on a boxing show?didn?t know he was a fan.

Did anyone find it funny that he said no amount of money would cause him to stick around and then followed that up with Axl bails him out when he?s short on cash?  :D Regardless, it?s a good interview.  Del is obviously close and loyal to Axl and vice versa.

Does anyone else feel like the GnR hits are mounting up?  DJ and Richard interviews, revamped Nightrain, now Del?I hope this is all moving towards an album release or new song.

I'm not unhappy about the interviews that's for sure... but GNR is only a sliver of what they are discussing at the moment.

I know...I'm trying to be glass half full here.  I've given up being negative for lent.

Hahahaha

I do think the tone of this latest batch are pretty good.  At least its not more "who knows?" type stuff.

Somebody says something nice about the guy and automagically you appear to "defend" all the negativity? Why not comment on the fact that it's nice to hear something positive about Axl once in a while? Like the recent comment by Kid Rock. Because as you pointed out, the media doesn't spend a lot of time writing about that.

Axl's done plenty of nice things over the years. But those things get overlooked or quickly forgotten because it doesn't interest people.
You of all people should know that the negativity isn't an accurate picture. You, as a fan, should be aware of this. But instead of acknowledging it, you write a defense for the negativity.


Edited to add: Don't tell me you're not aware of anything good Axl's done....



/jarmo

Well after 25 years we all know that.

What about new music?

After 25 years, you know it'll be out when it'll be out. :D




/jarmo

Its not a "defense of negativity". 

I have never once, not now, not ever, felt it was my place or duty to "correct the record" when someone dares to say something bad about Axl.  I'm a fan of the man's music.  He's not my kid.

Del's gripe is not with "the media".  Its with his own buddy, the best guy ever, for not showing the public that side of himself so they might see him the same way. 

So go bother him about it, not me.

You wrote a post about how you can only judge a person by what you see openly available to you.
As a GN'R fan, you should know more than the average Joe who reads about Axl. Yet, you offer zero understanding to where Del is coming from.

And now, you fail to acknowledge it again. You just complain about me asking you these questions.

It seems like you don't wanna agree with him because you're afraid it will ruin your "reputation" or something. Instead of saying "Yes, the media writes a lot of bullshit." you just go on and on about how it's ok because Axl doesn't show his good side.  Yet, as a fan, you've seen examples of this plenty of times.

I'm not gonna go bother Del. He didn't post here saying the bs you said. That was your post. :)




/jarmo

Idem

 : ok:

Its not that I don't understand his point and how he sees things.  Its just that he's pissing into the wind.

Axl has been a public figure for almost 30 years now.  The public perception of him is pretty much set based on his actions, as they would be for any public figure in the limelight that long.  That horse is long out of the barn.

Short of a DeLorean, and a willingness to do things differently when he goes back to Hill Valley, this will not change.  Lamenting the injustice of it all is totally pointless.

Even if you want to go all in on how "true fans" know what's up and that's what really matters, I say embrace that.  If you feel you have the accurate picture, who cares what anyone else says or thinks?  Do you need their validation that badly?

As for this, I suspect we have VERY different definitions of what qualifies as "bullshit".

Friends By 30 Years

 :beer:

Do I have to remind you that you are doing the same thing the media does? For example with your classic "the band has a reputation to cancel shows" schtick from last year?
That's exactly the point. The media often chooses to focus on negative things. Things that happened a long time ago. Even you do the same thing.

Which one will give a "better" story? The show started at 11:30PM or the show started at 9:20PM?

A lot of the negativity has been corrected. Do people care? Not really.


Ironic that you're on a fan site posting about how it's almost right for the media and anyone else to assume Axl is the way he's portrayed. No level of support for his side though. And this from a fan... Like I said, are you afraid of your "reputation" or something?
Let's see, can we get you to say something even remotely nice about Axl today? Still waiting....

Man, your act is boring. If you don't like somebody saying something nice about Axl, just stay out of the topic altogether. Simple as that. : ok:




Probably.
For people with a supposed open minds and able to think freely, it's quite astounding how much some will believe. As long as it's negative.  ::)




/jarmo

That's a lot of wasted fire over something that neither you, I, nor anyone will ever change.

But if it pumps you up to fire off a post like that, hey, good on ya.

What you did you expect? a 3 hour wait, half a dozen solo's, 20 minutes of KOHD, a rant about all the Slash tee-shirts, the late finish, the same set-list, security being heavy-handed, a fucking mosspit, DJ Ashba playing a bum note, an explanation into what Mother Goose does, on his 3 birthdays a year, BBF's beard morphing into Duff, "popcorn" getting to do 60 flawless takes of Civil War in a row, all whilst Axl eats a roast lamb dinner  :rant:

Get a grip man, get a grip..... ;)

So none of that happened?  Fuck... :o

That would have been the interview of the year.

It'd be nice if you actually managed to prove me wrong once in a whinle...... :D



This story has been posted on more than one news site now.
Making the rounds.  : ok:



/jarmo

Jarmo, are you saying that the media's portrayal of Axl (as a malcontent, reclusive diva, prone to irrational outbursts, etc.) is unfounded, or that the media is only focusing on the negative and not giving any weight to his good qualities?

Unfounded? I guess they have their reasons. If you don't see somebody attending the red carpets and whatnot, then he must be a recluse!
It's just ridiculous. Some people prefer to stay at home, or stay away from photographers. Doesn't make them reclusive. 

Does the press write about all those shows where nothing negative happened? Not really.
In fact, if nothing like that happened, it's just best to remind everybody of how something happened somewhere else and how the band isn't the old band (20 something years later, this still goes on).

Does anybody know when the journalists stopped mentioning Altamont when reviewing the Rolling Stones shows? For reference sake. ;)



Are you saying that kind of opinions are accurate and truthful? Do you believe in all that yourself?

Why does it seem like it's the same fans who have the most problems with anything GN'R related (Axl, band itself, shows, management etc.) are also the ones who question the fact that the media thrives on negativity? For some reason, these people are quick to use their free thinking capabilities to question anything GN'R says or does, yet fail to use the same capabilities when something negative is said. Is it because these same people share the public view of Axl as the dictator who hates his fans?
 
Let's see if any of you can admit that what Dell said is warranted. I don't think any of you did that yet. Amazingly enough. Instead it's more of the same "It's Axl's own fault".


---> Insert reply about Pity Party(TM) here.




/jarmo

Do people question it?  Or just not make with the phony surprise that's how the world works?

I can only speak for myself, but I have not said one word in this thread about Del being a liar or Axl being a terrible person.  Has that happened somewhere?

What I *have* said, in this thread and for time immemorial, is that if you are going to stomp your feet and threaten to hold your breath until "the media" starts to say flowery things about Axl Rose...then you are going to die from lack of oxygen.

Your whole beef seems to be that we won't join you in Fantasyland.  Which as "true fans" is a journey we are supposed to be all about.

Nah, sorry.

What is this little challenge supposed to mean?

We are supposed to weigh in on whether Axl did or did not pay some of Del's bills?  Has someone called bullshit on that?

Kindly quote the post where that happened, because I must be missing it.  And since you have gone back to it multiple times, you obviously see it somewhere.

No, you haven't managed to say anything positive about it at all!
You always seem to fail at this unless, specifically ASKED.



I have no interest regarding your place of residency.

All I have asked you to do, in this very thread, is to acknowledge the fact that the media writes a lot of negative stuff about your favorite band and its singer.

You have not done that. Instead of saying "Del is right" you go on about how you didn't call him a liar.
Instead of saying "Yes, it's true that negativity sells", you go on about how Axl doesn't do enough nice things.

The usual spin! Avoid compliments at all costs!

Not too long ago, which ones of you were questioning the comments Richard made about Axl? The usual suspects.



/jarmo

Dude...seriously?  Needy much?



How is "Del is right" not the same "I agree" type of post you just told me last week wasn't interesting?  Now it is?

Not one person here is even attempting to refute the big mystery you and Del have solved that "the media" are mean boys just being mean.

Wanna see needy? Look in the mirror. "I deserve attention, people like me. My posts need to be seen".....  :hihi:



Hahaha. So you didn't say it because you followed the rules and "I agree" isn't allowed?
That's a spin. You can't agree because you don't wanna break the rules, so you make a longer post about how it's all Axl's fault and the media isn't to blame instead.
Hahaha. Wow.Yet another classic lame ass excuse from you. Like the one about not being able to focus on more than two threads at the same time so you couldn't say anything nice in a third.  :hihi:



Just answer this simple question. It's very ismple:

Do you agree with the following statement: Media Portrays Axl Incorrectly?
Yes [  ]
No [  ]

Thanks for your participation.

PS Don't use a Sharpie and put the check mark on your screen!



/jarmo

I'd lean towards no, but that doesn't mean its 100%. 

I think their portrayal (otherwise known as "noticing things") is more right than wrong.

That explains everything.





/jarmo

One of my truisms in life is that next to nothing is 100% absolute, but nor is anything really actually, literally, 50/50.  Most times, things lean a certain way, one or the other.

That is how I would describe your question as well.  On balance, I think they have it more right than wrong.  Its just a question of how you assign the percentage.

And if all you have to attempt to refute any claim (pro or con) is that there are all sorts of super secret stuff I don't know about, that means fuck all to me.  Any anecdotal tales (again, pro or con) that can't be proven or disproven carry no weight in any legitimate conversation.

Are you trying to claim ownership of Pareto's Principle here....LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Take this post here, just for example.

Look at those three examples in bold.  On balance, are all three not true?  I sure think they are.  That's how I'd put it.  On balance, they are true.

Now, if you want to tell me there is more to the man than that, I'll agree.  But if you are going to try and tell me they are all mistaken?  Nah, can't join you there.

Correct.  If the question is, "does the media focus too much on the negatives of Axl Rose" I would answer yes.  And that gets us into the realm of negativity (and controversy) sells in the press.  No shit.  To that end, Axl is no different than any other celebrity.  I'm sure Bill Cosby has done plenty of wonderful things, but the media ain't focusing on that lately.

What's unfair to Axl, IMO, is that a lot of the behavior the media refers to is stuff that happened 15, 20+ years ago.  But, he was intentionally out of the spotlight for so long that when he came back, that was their frame of reference.  It sounds like you're saying Axl hasn't done anything wrong (ever), and that the way he is portrayed by the media is unfounded.  I disagree with that.  For sure, the media focuses too much on the negatives, but I don't they're entirely making it all up.  Remember, Axl has admitted to making mistakes before.

Also, how would it be possible for the media (or the public) to focus on private, good things he's done?  How could we ever commend him for being nice to Del until Del told the story? 

Dude, my exact post was "it's a good interview.  Del is obviously close and loyal to Axl and vice versa."  How is that, in any way, shape or form, negative, critical, refuting Del's claims or otherwise blaming Axl?

Yep.  This is the business they've chosen.



Yeah, agreed on this, for the most part.

When he first came back after 7 years in solitary confinement, people's last frame of reference was the guy from the early 90s.  So those things being talked about made sense.

Since he has come back, he's not nearly the same fired up guy.  But, there have also been several instances where "the old Axl" seems to rear his head.  So while he may be in the background now, he is still in there.  I happen to think he's mellowed out a great deal, but will still call a guy "a cancer best removed" at the drop of a hat too.



Agreed.

And I was trying to get into this earlier.  How is it the fault of "the media", or any of us, to not laud him for things we know nothing about?

This is why I said by failing to show the public this side of himself, he doesn't reap any of those benefits.  If stuff like this was public knowledge, or course it would have an effect.

But, when you come out of hiding after years long stretches, and the bulk of your extremely limited press is spent griping about past members, labels, promotoers, and everyone else under the sun that you feel has done you wrong, its pretty naive to think a lot of folks won't just dismiss it as "yep, same old angry Axl."

So I'm not really saying lose your edge.  But if that edge is just about all you give people, that's how they see you.

Speaks volumes that you don't think the portrayal is incorrect.

This is from a fan of the band that released songs such as Get In The Ring more than two decades ago or songs with lyrics like Bullshit and contemplation, Gossip's their trade, If they knew half the real truth, What would they say....
Wonder what the inspiration was? All the fair reporting by the press? It's been going on for decades. This sensationalistic garbage. Look at your GN'R Lies cover. It's all about that.



I think this all explains why you have such a hard time understanding anything about Axl's point of view to be honest.




Nobody's perfect. The thing that sets people who are famous apart from the rest of us is that if you get angry or I get angry, nobody gives a damn.
If Axl gets angry, it creates headlines. All the times he's not angry, nobody cares.



The part about how you know nothing about the nice things Axl has done. Really? You know absolutely nothing? Can't think of anything nice Axl has done?
I already mentioned this, but I was assuming GN'R fans would know better but here we have to of you saying you know nothing.




That was wasn't aimed at you.






/jarmo

I didn't say I knew "absolutely nothing".  I did say that I was not aware of him helping out Del until Del told his story.

Sure, we know about the Halloween Tree and the anecdotal stories of joking with band members on stage.  And I'm sure he's been very generous to Beta and her family throughout the years (I have no information on this but I would assume it to be true).  But that doesn't mean we forget (or discount) the angry outburst or other behavior issues in the past. 

It's what makes him unique.  A lot of his volatility was many moons ago, yet that mystique still carries with him.  Even the Revolver interview called him "Rock's Man of Mystery".  Are you saying that's not true?  Why would they say that?  He has a reputation that precedes him, and, even if he goes on to cure cancer or CDII becomes the greatest selling album of all time, he'll still be known (rightly or wrongly) as the guy who goes on stage late and caused multiple riots in North America.

Ok. Sorry.



That's the only things you know? You don't remember the money from the Knockin' On Heaven's Door single being donated to the Mercury Phoenix Trust? I know that's a long time ago, but this was back when Axl was the "bad guy" as well.

Something more recent? Bridge School benefit? Remember when Axl wrote about that giraffe? File that under animal rights if you want.

Not to mention the fact that when people throw shit at him, he tells them to stop so they don't hit the fans in front.  :P


Oh, and he signed a platinum award for me. Which he obviously didn't have to. But he did.

All these and more are public knowledge.





/jarmo

Don't forget the tweet about Jasper the Tasmanian Devil bashed to death, plus there's a photo when he had the cornrows where he visited teens with cancer in a hospital. Don't know how much he had to do with the fan who had the microphone taken from him by security at a concert and kicked up a fuss and ended up with a signed microphone sent to him in replacement.

Jarmo, while I see your point, let's also toss in just a wee bit of context.

The KOHD single was released in the summer of 1992, if I am not mistaken.  What else happened in the summer of 1992?  Arrested for St. Louis the year before, the Montreal riot, the thing with Cobain at the MTV VMAs.

So given that list :

- proceeds from KOHD single go to charity
- arrested for inciting a riot where people were injured and the place destroyed
- inciting another riot not 3 weeks later where shit was once again torn up and people hurt
- the current rock star of the moment having some verbal sparring with the hot new star of the moment

...what comes in 4th on the interest scale?

Furthermore, as you see it, should any story on the last 3 things on that list also contain a line "Lest it be forgotten, the band did donate a portion of the proceeds of their latest single to an AIDS charity."  What does that add to the story?

Does the press, as you see it, have an obligation to always have some sort "but keep in mind, gang, he's not all bad" qualifier in any story?

I won't get sucked into all this other bullshit in the thread, what I can say is that Del has a good friend in Axl and that goes far beyond anything we could know.  I also know that Axl is misunderstood, THAT is a fact even if you don't like it or agree with it

A fact I think we'd all agree with.  Seems inevitable to someone living such a private life.

The funny thing is that they sure like to remind us all of all those bad things. Just like you.  :no:

I think it's somewhat ironic that here we are on a GN'R fan site trying to show other GN'R fans that there's more to Axl Rose than the negative headlines. And yet we have to post examples because they don't seem to know anything. You'd assume the GN'R fans here would know these things about Axl. But no...

Their idea of Axl Rose is pretty similar to Joe Average who likes to crank Welcome To The Jungle in his truck on his way to Walmart.





/jarmo

Because you have to measure the impact of each thing on the man's career.  The most important, relevant things are what is remembered over time.

You really can't argue that proceeds from a single to charity is going to carry the same weight or hold the same interest as something like St. Louis.  That's just how it is.

But that does not invalidate the gesture towards charity.  It was a nice move for a guy thought of as a raging homophobe at the time.

The most important?

Canceling a show affects how many people? And how about educating people about a charity and donating money?
In the big picture, which one is more important?


The thing that you and others do is that you take one incident, and that fits the idea that you have of Axl. You have a puzzle of what you think he is. And every time you read one article that says something negative, that piece amazingly fits your puzzle. And if there's something positive, it needs to be questioned. Because you're objective, or whoever you label it.





/jarmo

Who cares?  In terms of talking about his career, its not even a contest.  Riots and his terrible temper will be mentioned before charity work.

If you want charity work to have a starring role in your obit or any retrospective, you better have gone all out.  Like an Elton John or a Bono.  All celebs do some sort of charity work or cut someone a check.  But only the ones that really dedicate serious time, effort, and money get it mentioned along with their other career achievements.

Now, if this is just you wanting to get on some "this is what's wrong with society" soapbox, fine.  Have at it.  But its not really what we're talking about.

You said "The most important, relevant things are what is remembered over time.".

How is that important? And why is that important? Could it be as simple as it sells more to focus on those things than to focus on something else?
Do you think it's fair to focus on the things that didn't go as planned instead of the things that did go as planned?




/jarmo

You mean to tell me that the media are not telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?? They've got it wrong on Axl...I wonder what else they might be wrong aboot?  :nervous:

Yes.  Big events.  Milestones.  Happenings.  And yes, controversies.

Will always be the focus of career retrospectives and shaping public perception about a public figure.



Way of the world, I'm afraid.

You are talking about a seismic societal shift having to happen.  Which isn't going to come about by two dudes talking about Axl Rose on the internet, even if they feel they have a point.

There's the keyword right there. Doesn't mean it's important.




So you agree that the way of the world is to focus on controversies, gossip, sensationalism and plain bullshit in order to have something "interesting" to write about.
Yet, knowing that, you still think Axl is treated fairly in the media.





/jarmo

Nobody including Axl is treated fairly in the media.  You can watch the news and shake your head or maybe you could write a song about it and see if it has any influence on the way things are.

Its a newsworthy item.

Just because you seem to think we should forget prior bad acts doesn't mean that's the way the world works.  People will talk about riots, his temper, and the band breaking up from now until god calls you both.

You don't like it, and I get that, but its how it is.



Kind of a two pronged answer here.  Yes, things like gossip and controversies will always sell.  Always have, always will.

But the other part of that is that you as a public figure ultimately have a lot of say in how you are perceived.  If you primarily only give them bad stuff to write about, that is what gets written.  If you don't care, great.  But Axl does seem to care.  And his fans CERTAINLY seem to care.  So maybe some soul searching is needed on this one, on both accounts.

I don't care if this pisses you off, because its a relevant example of this in action : Slash's "lies".  Part of the reason these "lies" have become ingrained to so many people is that Axl didn't lift a finger to refute any of them.  That was his call.  The fallout is that most people believe he forced them all out of the band, and may or may not have forced them to sign some document under duress before a show.  He let that go unchallenged for YEARS.  That is on him that people still think that's how it went down.

At some point, some personal responsibility becomes part of all this.  We all have tongues and phones that dial out.

You seem to think you know what I think.




I know how it is. I've been pointing it out all the time. The thread title itself gives it away! We know how it is. You on the other hand think it's not true.






Yes, we all know this.
It's still kinda amazing that certain GN'R fans like yourself, who has the ability to dig a little deeper than the average Joe, still has the exact same mindset as the average Joe....




In Axl's case, he gives them nothing and even that's turned into something negative. He doesn't wanna play their game, and what's their comeback? More shit.
You think this is fair. I think it speaks volumes about these people.




In your world, the same people who write shit should be rewarded by Axl calling them and doing interviews.
Do you read what he's said? If you paid attention, you would've noticed that there was an answer to your "he should call magazine X and they would put him on the cover" ideas in Billboard in 2009.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much he talks. You still think the media is treating him fairly.
Just a little hint, he's not like everybody else. So don't get all upset if he doesn't kiss the media's ass like many other artists. I know you don't like that.




/jarmo

I base that comment on repeated instances of you thinking once some indeterminate amount of time passes, such things should not be mentioned any longer.

You've gone down that road with any number of topics.  But, the common denominator is that they are all negative.  Really can't say I've seen you take something positive from however far back and say it should stopped being mentioned.

Hell, just yesterday.  You still want to talk about the KOHD single's proceeds, but not about Montreal.  We are talking about things that happened, quite literally, weeks apart.  One you will gladly discuss, one needs to be dismissed.  The motivation seems obvious.

No?

I like the man's music a great deal.

That hardly means I'm going to endorse letting "lies" about him go unchallenged for years as some great plan.  Nor have a hell of a lot of sympathy for him finally getting around to addressing them, long after the irreparable damage is done, and have him say he got a raw deal.

Did he?  Or did he enable misinformation to become accepted fact through his own inaction?

I guess he's just showing the world too, hmm?

His own documented dissatisfaction at his portrayal, and your clear unhappiness with how he's treated, these are proof he's playing it the right way?

If you say so.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Hahahahahaha!

Poor you and your Pity Party (TM).

It's called DEAD HORSE. It's been there before you even showed up. It's there for a reason because people like you seem to find it interesting to dwell on the negative for decades. Others deal with it once and move on.

Some of us don't want you ruining every thread to be about the "lack of promotion" or "the reputation of canceling shows".
We have a special little tree house for people like yourself, we call it Dead Horse.


I find little interest in talking about Montreal 1992. Sorry. The only reason I brought up the single was because it was an example of something good. Because some of you don't know that Axl ever did anything good. It was just one example. It wasn't meant to create this debate where you can bring all the shit to the table and start your old "but this was wrong" routine all over again.

Your act all along has been to always spin everything and add something negative. I posted some good things, there you were pointing out the bad things. And then you think there's some kind of hidden motive.

The only motive is to keep people like you away from ruining every single thread with your "honest opinions" that we've heard for decades. You like the band music. Yes we know. Too bad you don't like the band enough to fit in here. And that's why you'll never feel welcome here no mater how much you cry about it.





/jarmo

Good talk.

guys...everytime I come here, I have the impression to read D-GenerationX & jarmo private conversations

am I in your pm box without noticing?  :P

I think that guy is confusing this board for some other site.... Or a blog!



/jarmo

We have them.  They aren't much different.

ahah...but I like your exchanges, makes me thinks with different perspectives sometimes

Thanks.

That's the whole point, I think.  Get some different perspectives.  I absolutely have changed my views on some things and my outlook about certain aspects of the operation after posting here and reading some different takes.

Agreed.  I would say I've become a more knowledgeable fan since coming here.  But I enjoy the back and forth and people's different perspectives on things.  That's why I thought Jarmo's  "you'll never feel welcome here" comment odd.  It kind of reinforces the cult-like perception of this forum that we all must think and act alike to fit in and be true fans. 

He's the Lou Gossett Jr. to my Richard Gere in our production of 'A Poster And A Fan'.

"I got no where else to go!!!!!!"  :hihi:

Hahahahaha

It's true, in a way.  The other GNR boards I go to look at me like I have 3 heads when I try and talk about the band's future.

Whatever you say.

The reality of the situation is that I never intended to have a site aimed at people who like the band music who harbor some kind of negative views about the band. There's plenty of web sites on the Internet for that kind of opinions and I got no interest in providing such outlet for those people. This is a fan site. My definition of the kind of fan site I would visit. Not your definition, or his definition.

Some have a very hard time understanding this part. And I'll keep repeating it.
I don't care if you think it's a cult, or we are all brainwashed. I just don't care. You're a name on a screen. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also, since this is a fan site, I admit that I have some "standards". Occasionally I'm surprised by the lack of.... I don't know what it's a lack of to be honest, but it's presents itself occasionally when I encounter posters who really have very little idea about what Axl or GN'R is about.




/jarmo

Conformity

Nobody thinks it is some "cult-like" atmosphere except for a few people that repetitively find something to gripe and complain about.

I find  much I appreciate about this band, and I'm not so immature, self-centered, and attention-deprived to employ deconstructive criticism in an attempt to degrade the band, it's management- et al, in an attempt to portray myself as knowledgeable, edgy, pseudo-witty, and faux popular.

I'm a fan, I enjoy this band, I have been to countless shows over many years and am looking forward to many more- If that paints me as some card-carrying cult member in some people's limited vision, so be it.

Nope, intelligence loyalty and maturity.  :-*

Definitely not that.

Some can whine about there not being enough Axl interviews, but when asked, they didn't even read all the available ones!

Lack of common sense is more accurate.




/jarmo

Hard to like the music without liking the band... no?

Some fans care seem to care more whether or not Axl is sleeping easier at night than he used to? Or if he has inner peace.. I'm sorry I don't care about that any more or less then he cares about my inner peace. Does that make me a bad guy or a bad fan? I don't know.

To get back a little to the orginial topic... I wouldn't change the perception's or views the world has of Axl... because it's part of why were all drawn to him originally anyway!

Axl Rose = Bad Ass Motherfucker...

The only thing I remember about Montreal was in 2010 the band played to a capacity crowd and it went off without a hitch with Axl having a blast!  The crowd was insane.  Glad I was there to see this.

Hasn't Axl even acknowledged he wanted to make amends with certain cities?

That Canadian tour was aces.

I didn't think he'd ever come back to Philly.  And for his own safety, I would have agreed with that call.

But they came back in 2012 and played a super small place.  If someone wanted to really peg him with something, it would have been an easy shot.

Yet there were no issues.  And he did give that nice little speech before YCBM.  Didn't really explain what happened exactly, but did cop to some of it being on him.  It was a good gesture.

Maybe because the tour was called Up Close And Personal? Kinda was the whole concept of the tour. More intimate venues....



/jarmo

here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cZdwk-Vgg4

Diiiiiid you read the rest of the quote, chief?


I only reference the size of the venue to establish how much easier it would be peg Axl in the head with something.

This town is LOADED with meathead idiots.  People in this town tailgate 4PM NFL games at 8AM, and some don't even make it into the stadium they are so tanked up.  Fights are prevalent.

I would have thought there was 100% chance of someone getting tuned up and doing something stupid if he ever came back here.  I never expected him back.

Took balls.  Good for him.

Exactly! I totally agree.

Read it, just giving you some background on why they played that "super small venue".



Ahem.



/jarmo

Hey, I see what you did there.   :hihi:
Thanks for the chuckle Jarmo.

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Don't want people to think you're an asshole? Maybe try not flipping the middle finger in every other photo.  ::)

 :rofl:

ROTFFLMFAOCOPTER.


I'm assuming you're just trolling and you're not serious, considering both people on the photo are smiling.




/jarmo

I hope that pic is a joke!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  Does not support his case at all.

When DJ met that little look a like kid at the airport.  I was shocked not to see DJ give the camera the finger.   It's one of the only pictures I have seen of him not giving the camera the bird

Although I rarley hunt down pictures of DJ hahaha.  Just what I have seen at concerts. 

I am rock star.  See!!!  I gave the camera the finger.   And there I did it again!

Hahaha!  Hilarious attempt to support your ridiculous and mistaken premise  :hihi:

Is today Troll day here?

 :nervous:

You make it seem like they do this at ANY photog...  Not so, this was a running joke in the band for some time with Jarmo/Kat or anyone in the staff taking pics...  at least *I* picked up on it.  Them having fun, how so un rock n roll right?

Lol

Shhhhhh. 

The only trolls here are the ones I meet on Friday nights

:)

Au contraire, I see some trolls here on a more or less everyday basis, but it is endlessly amusing watching them get owned :hihi:

I have a personal anecdote related to this. I am an amateur musician and I was recording an album with an engineer in LA a few years back. He has alot of relationships in the industry and between takes he would tell me interesting stories about guys like Trent Reznor etc. A few times we cracked some jokes how long it took Axl to record Chinese Democracy. When we first talked about it he mentioned that he knew somebody (another engineer) that would fly out to New York to work on the album and how his friend was shaking his head in disbelief about how much money was being spent and how Axl should just record himself playing the songs on the piano, release it, and make millions.

Anyway, one story he told me was that this guy was invited to some party at a trendy New York club by Axl. He went and brought his wife along. Both of them are middle aged so the New York party scene isn't exactly their thing but they went along anyway. So they get to this club, Axl greets them, and he wants to speak to the engineer and the wife says, "Oh you guys go ahead, I'll just sit here by myself and relax". So they take off and the woman sits by herself on the couch. After some time passes, these 2 model-looking girls want to sit on the couch and they essentially go up to the woman and say "Yeah we'd like to sit here. You don't belong here" and bully her to get up so they can sit down. So this engineer's wife walks around the club by herself looking for her husband.

She finally finds Axl and her husband looking distraught over what happened. Her husband asks, "Hey what happened? Why are you walking around by yourself, I thought you were sitting over there?". The wife is visibly shaken and says, "These two girls made me leave". At this point, Axl pokes his head in and says "Wait, what happened?". After she tells him the whole story, Axl walks back to the couch where the two girls were still sitting, yells at them ("You can't treat my friends this way!") and gets security to throw the girls out of the club.

I can't verify the authenticity of this story but it really goes along with what Del James (and others who truly know him) have said about Axl.

Cool story, thanks!

Seems like Axl is always looking out for his friends.

Yeah, that is a cool story.

I hope they threw them out Uncle Phil style, like when he used to toss DJ Jazzy Jeff.