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Kid Rock mentions Axl in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine:

...his debaucherous three days with Axl Rose a few years ago ? "I was like, 'Why's everyone think this guy's a dick? He's the nicest guy on Earth!' "

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-killer-inside-kid-rock-20150226#ixzz3SsqroRYQ



Billy Corgan mentions Axl in an interview with a local morning show in Australia about the war on pop music:

He asserts that rock "will be fine" but needs to be "more aggressive" in taking on pop -- just like the good ol' days: "By definition a rock star is supposed to be an independent individual who pursues a vision to an end -- an Axl Rose, an Elton John. And a pop star is supposed to do whatever they can do to pray at some horrible idol of fame which is ubiquitous and fleeting."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6487298/billy-corgan-smashing-pumpkins-war-pop-music-pornography

It's a shame I have never found a good youtube of Kid Rock performing with Axl at Hammerstein ballroom in 06. I was there that night, anybody have a good clip somewhere?

Hmmm...maybe? I have all the DVD's of those shows.  What was the date? I'll try to hunt down that show and see if the source is any good.

May 17th 2006... they did Nightrain w Izzy and Kid Rock

Yeah, I have a decent audio copy of the 5/15/06 show, but always really, really wanted 5/17/06.

In the rolling stone interview he also mentions that artists Like Axl and Eminem who are "Very reclusive, literal, and sometimes you feel a little bad for them. Sometimes they think the world's against them. You gotta loosen up, man! People are gonna talk shit. You just gotta enjoy it!"

I'll take a peek over the next few days.....

I thought all those shows were widely available 'cause of the dvds.

Those Hammerstein shows were off the hook, never forget those days hanging out all day Mustang Harry's then going to the shows at night, that was just phenomenal. I have those shows also on DVD. The crowds were wild at the shows. Was the first time I met so many people I just used to read the words of  , from this forum and from all over the world, great times indeed.

I saw that Kid rock was on Fallon the other night, but I missed the performance. Truth is I didn't really care for him at the show with GNR, he seemed out of place wasn't the best showing , could have done with out him there.

I would love to see Axl and Kid Rock release a song together. I think they would sound pretty awesome!

Big time.  What's the point of being crazy famous if you can't enjoy it?

I remember Charles Barkley calling Michael Jordan "a prisoner of his fame" and said he would never do that.

Who ever said Axl doesnt enjoy any of this? 

Especially recently/last year the guy had the biggest smile on his face

He travels ttbe world.  In the past has been seen packs gave at some big concerts.   He as dated some very beautiful woman. Ha some great homes to live in.  Has some very fast cars to drive    Has a very loyal set of friends. 

All of the above are things he enjoys because he is famous   And most are a result of being one of the biggest rock stars of all time

From what I have read he is also a night owl.  That loves to sleep durrin the day and be awake at night.   This also is a benifit of being rich and famous.  Where if he wasnt. Chances are he would have to work Monday to friday 9 to 5 with the rest of the unwashed masses

Just because a guy chooses to live a private lifestyle an isnt a fan of crowds or dealing with rabid fans random public people or the media.  Doesn't mean he is not enjoying being famous.  And it's not a bad thing or a weird thing at all

I  have to agree with Baconman. With that being said, I still think and feel that Duff is the most successful person from GNR and is enjoying life the best.

I think that is hard to really say, who are we to know how happy Axl is living his life compared to Duff. I've read plenty of grips that Duff has expressed thru the yrs, with various things, via his column, and in interviews. Not the least of which having his pancreas explode, that sure as hell couldn't have been a highlight. Axl didn't have to endure that kind of life sucks moment. Sure he does things on his time. But no way does that mean he hasn't been very happy or near happy at most junctions. And sure he was un-happy with the record comp at various times, as we know. Still in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't strike me as someone who has many regrets or had any real life sucks moments.

I don't have the specific quotes, but Axl has said things and hinted other things that make it clear he was not particularly happy much of his life, but is happier now than ever.  Think about him.  His early life he was abused.  After he became famous he found it very difficult dealing with things from his childhood.  Then his band fell apart. He admitted that Beta basically saved him during the post breakup years.  He's talked about the frustrations trying to make Chinese Democracy.  But when asked more recently, he acknowledged that the last few years were the best of his life.   

And that right there is one reason that I can understand Axl not being in a rush to release new material on anyone's schedule other than his own.  Its his life and it really seems like he's putting his happiness above all else, and I imagine there are negative forces he's going to have to deal with when he finally decides he wants to move forward in a serious way.  And thats an admirable thing is many respects.  Some might say selfish I suppose, but he can be selfish to me.  I'm just a fan, not his family, so he doesn't owe me that sacrifice of putting my happiness before his own.

I agree with 14 years.


About the Duffs life vs Axls life (this is reallyy silly)


Its about what you want in life, Duff has got a family with kids, plays in different bands all over the world, writes books, and is a investor and does other  business things on the side to make a good living.


We dont know a lot about Axl, but from i suspect, he has enough money for rest of his life, likes to party with supermodels, is the leader of a huge rock n roll band. And controls the band with his own means, what looks to the outside, recently much without stress.
And what seems to me he has his own team brazil as his family.


Id take the Axl life anyday.

From my own perspective, I would rather have a similar life to Duff than Axl. With that being said, yeah I agree that it's fruitless to compare both lives. Both seem to be in a better and happier place in life and that's what's important. They say that people are much happier the older they get. This seems to be true for GNR members.

Fuck yeah!  I remember my night at Mustang Harry's before the show!  That whole night was amazing....

Axl seems happier than ever onstage.

Compare his demeanor now to his prime.  He seemed miserable on a lot of that UYI tour.

that was an epic night may 17th 06

I was at the first of the Hammerstein shows ( 15th?). The excitement in the air before hand was amazing. No one had a clue who the new guitarist would be. Saw Dizzy hanging out on the floor before the show. Just wandering around before the place got packed. Great show. Couldnt believe i was seeing them at such a tiny club.

OK, I found it.  Video isn't great, but the audio source is pretty good.  Now I have to find out how to convert it out of VOB, into mpeg, and snip down to JUST the Nightrain segment (complete with false start).

You have a decent audio source for that 5/17/06 show?

The only one I ever found sucked.

It's not great, but it's not terrible. It's the NYC Bitch Committee DVD. I'm going to TRY to post a clip (we'll see, video editing isn't my thing).

All I have for "tools" is movie maker. Saving on the HD setting, but...we'll see how much degradation we get, too.

Definitely agree with you on that. I mentioned back in December that if Axl was going to do a duet with someone on the side, Kid Rock would be a good choice. I wonder if Kid Rock has ever asked him "Hey man, would you do a song with me?". And I wonder if Axl would do it. Better yet, throw Willie Nelson in the mix too. That might get it some airplay on country music stations, it could spread like wildfire.

As for Billy Corgan, I've always been a fan of his. Cool opportunity to see what he thinks about Axl. And wouldn't you know it, he had good things to say. Kid Rock as well. Very cool thread here, thanks for sharing!

Uploading to mediafire, now.

The conversion (via Movie Maker) def saw some degradation.  Audio is still pretty good (better from the source DVD, but...still good). The video took more of a hit...so cruddy video looks even worse.

Still, I'll share as soon as it's uploaded.

About 500 MB, so it'll take a bit.

Hopefully, this works. Sorry if there are ads or anything via mediafire. It's the best site I've got access to, where I am:

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/ym4fdnhr19p51ux/GnRHammerstein51706Nighttrain.mp4

Comes up just fine here. NO adds!:D

Kid Rock rose to Axl Rose?s defense in a rangy talk with Rolling Stone that also covered his opinions on Jimmy Buffett, post-concert sex and Beyonce, among many other topics.
Of the oft-criticized Guns N? Roses frontman, Kid Rock said, ?I was like, ?Why does everyone think this guy?s a d?? He?s the nicest guy on Earth!??

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kid-rock-axl-rose-comment/

" By definition a rock star is supposed to be an independent individual who pursues a vision to an end ? an Axl Rose, an Elton John. And a pop star is supposed to do whatever they can do to pray at some horrible idol of fame which is ubiquitous and fleeting. And that contradiction to me is why everyone should stay on their own side of the street."

Read complete Article here:

http://www.nme.com/news/smashing-pumpkins/83143

That's interesting. A lot of musicians who might be labeled rock stars really dislike the label.

But then a lot of music fans love that aspect of the God like rock stars. Except when it doesn't fit their schedules.  :hihi:




/jarmo

A duet with Kid Rock ???? Noooo way !!! That would be the end of Axl ever having credibility as a serious artist , Kid Rock is a joke FFs , Billy Corgan is a bit of a moaning hard done by pain but he's a very talented musician , Axl doing something with him would be interesting and I imagine very arty !

Something with Kid Rock might be fun.

That's how I would describe Kid Rock's music.  No, its not brilliant.  But its fun.

The more I think of it.  Any work with kid rock would not be good

The dude was a tour pig in the mid 2000s

Made money

Then his biggest pay day was a song with sheral crow   

Then what??

What has happend since?

Nothing.    So we cando better

 :love:"He had a massive hit with "All Summer Long" not too long ago. "Rock and Roll Jesus" was quite a successful album. His last few tours have been $20 tickets for fans, cheaper parking, concessions, and merch. Very fan friendly. I don't understand the hate the guy gets. Maybe that's why he sympathizes with Axl.

I was pleasantly surprised with Kid Rock's contributions to "I Hold On? on Slash?s self titled record.
Beyond that though, the next good song he writes will be his second.

Yes, I Hold On was great. I do not really dislike him but it is difficult to disassociate him from that rap-rock boom of the '90s.

I don't care too much for his music... but you know whats funny...like he said... he is the opposite of Axl and Eminem in terms of personality...

IF he was more like them in terms of..."personality"...he would be seen as having more "cred"

Somewhat.

But if you asked people in 1999, they'd have forecasted this guy for a 20 minute career.  Its amazing he's been able to endure through re-invention.

He seems like a nice enough guy, but I think I?d probably prefer Axl remain on his semipermanent vacation from the studio than hear him collaborate with the man responsible for the lyrics, Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogy said up jump the boogy (6x).

I still can?t wrap my head around the fact that someone wrote those lyrics, in real life, then had the balls/audacity to sing them out loud, fucking record them, and then charge people money for a copy!
Not only that, but people did, they actually said, hey that song sounds good to me, I gotta have it, think I?ll get in my car or ride my bike down to the local strawberries and willingly hand the man behind the counter $15.99 for that on CD. That?s around the same time I realized there was absolutely no hope for the human race. None.

Kid Rock said he hung out with Axl when he lived in Malibu (I'm sure cigars were smoked) but said he never heard from him when he moved to Michigan, he thinks it's because he worked with Slash on a song that he stopped hearing from him.

He's right in comparing himself to Jimmy Buffett or Skynyrd, and I'd add The Beach Boys, KISS & Garth Brooks. He found something that works for his voice and style. The down side is that it becomes cookie cutter and predictable.

Axl doesnt need to collaborate with any other singer. Cool on his own. Let alone Kid Rock who is definitely and will never be om his level.

True, but was Bach?

And I ask that as a lifelong Skid Row fan.  From 1989, up to, and including today.

I'm talking about recording wise...oh yeah Bach's on Sorry ( dont know where?).

Kid Rock really is an US only phenomenon at this point.

He was never on tour with GN'R, unlike Sebastian. Maybe there's your answer to why Axl sang on Sebastian's album and he sang on Sorry.




/jarmo

You really have to struggle to hear him. 

When we first heard word of that one, I was imagining a style trade off a la 'The Garden'.

Which, while I personally thought that was awesome, did have to wonder who other than me was still listening to Skid Row 20 years after they were last relevant.

As Jarmo pointed out before I could.   Kid Rock is the pure definition of America and his success is very limited to just that.   America.  People like to lump him in the rock/rap late 90s era.  But there was some great would wide top bands that came out of that time.  Two I love. Lincon park and korn.  Both bands are huge  draws would wide.   Kid Rock.   Not so much

While Bachs solo career really hasn't set the world on fire.  He still puts on a great live show.  The other thing you mentioned being a skid row fan, like myself, some people were either not around when they were active.  Or forget.  But skid row in there prime was a massive band.  World wide appeal    Huge selling albums and concerts. 

Kid Rock is very fan friendly. His tickets are very cost efficient and he has tailgated with fans. When he was the opening act for Bon Jovi at Giants Stadium (Metlife), he had security drive him in a golf cart and drink with fans before the concert began. My cousins were at the show and took pictures with him drinking beer and BBQing. He puts on a very good show as well. I saw him twice in concert. I think he and Axl would be awesome together!   

He actually didn't write those lyrics to the chorus of "Bawitdaba" himself. I didn't know this myself until his interview last week on Stern. But he actually took those lyrics from rapper Busy Bee in a song titled "Making Cash Money". He was called on it and agreed to settle because he admitted it was pretty much a straight up rip off.

The guy is pretty talented and diverse. He goes from rap to rock to country and everything in between. I hear he puts on one hell of a show and I plan on catching him on tour this summer. Can't beat going to a concert for $20.

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/10155/Kid-Rock-Bawitdaba-Busy-Bee-Making-Cash-Money/

Wow, that?s even more bizarre, ha. Interesting, thanks for posting.
Popular music to me went to shit when bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park blew up.
Probably unfair of me to lump him in with that mess cause as you said he seems to be far more diverse.
I do think he?s got a pretty good voice, and can say I like at least one of his songs. I just revisited "I Hold On" to confirm, holds up.

That is pretty kickass about the ticket prices too. I?ve recently sort of abandoned the arena acts of late, and have been catching the club shows that roll through town, but even those are gonna run about $20.