Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-cant-remember-current-guns-n-roses-guitarist-dj-ashbas-name/

The last time he couldn't remember Tommy's name. This is just painfully stupid.

He is so evil  :D

Its pretty petty and childish, but...I don't know.

Can we really throw stones on either of those fronts?

I will give the current band and recent past members credit

They seem to have nothing but respect and nothing but possitive things to say about the original guys.    I like that.

Same can't be said about Slash.  Where he comes off as very rude in a lot of his interviews

Well, to play devil's advocate, Slash's memories of a lot of things are hazy at best.  Have you read Slash's book?  He gets his own birthplace wrong!  And, among other stories, his stories regarding Paul Stanley were heavily refuted by Paul in his own book.

Stanley said things like... "decades later, Slash's memory of that night was faulty at best.  This is why attorneys don't want drug addicts or substance abusers taking the witness stand."

Well, shitting on the old guys isn't going to go over.

Look at the crap Axl takes for acting like such a child about Slash.  And he at least has credibility with the fans.

Of course not ! Which is why it's so comical.

The guy in the top hat ... Lol

I havnt heard anything negative from Axl regarding the old line up or slash specificly in years. 

In fact interviews from current band members have said axl like to joke around and tell stories about the old line up and the old days....    That seems pretty possitive

If this was my first ex band.  The band that I still make the majority of my yearly salary off.  Royalties....   I sure would know every detail of the band.  Especially if they are guitar players....    Playing my stuff...    Not to say yes u don't know the guys name is childish

He can't deal with the fact that GN'R can exist without him.

 :hihi:

Or maybe he can, so well in fact that he doesn't need to even know their names.   : ok:

But takes legal action against the band months before they plan to release a live dvd.

Yeah right.

Im pretty positive that Slash knows very well who is playing his old songs to bigger audiences than slach,chlash,(damn, what was his name again) is.

I dont know where to begin with this one lol maybe just maybe he just forgot his name... or maybe he meant he couldn't remember his real name compared to his stage name... (Dj Ashba)..

a)how do you know the people responsible for the DVD didn't make a mistake in paying Slash the proper royalties or obtain the proper authorization... how do you know it was Slash's fault? Maybe there is something that I missed

b) he is a professional musician... thats how he makes a living... maybe you're independently wealthy and can make all of ur choices without caring how you feed ur family... i don't know... i'm quite sure ur beloved present GNR members all make decisions based on money as well... Slash is a solo artist... he has to promote his brand at all times... he doesn't have a big band name to promote his work

c) Slash has a very successful album and tour going at present time... its been very well received even if its not "ur thing" .. and he does it without the benefit of a famous band name nor a famous singer... so I think he is doing alright.. and not too worried about how many people Ron, DJ and Richard get to play in front of

I understand that a lot of fans here don't like Slash because he is enemy number 1 with Axl... but I really don't get why... I don't root for either side or really care how they feel about each other... I'm glad both are out and performing for whoever appreciates either of one them.

With all that said... I DO understand how the comment looks...it does look like a shot... but as fans of Guns N Roses music... I don't understand the taking sides...

I also suggest you read some other GNR sites where they talk more about this stuff... there is a VERY popular belief that Perla is behind all of the dumb evil shit  Slash has done in regards to GNR and lawsuits and stuff like that being she was in charge of his financials and affairs...

now that she is not in the picture... hopefully that kind of stuff will go away

I'd say there are probably two household names associated with Guns N? Roses, and DJ Ashba ain?t one of 'em.

Rockfuel said that one of original gnr members is behind the delay of the dvd.

I dont see how taking a shot on ashba (thats how i see it) helps promote Slashes solo career. For the record, i have nothing against his solo career.

Well there ya go.... how do you know it was Slash? and if it was .. maybe they didn't get the proper ok from his side from the get go ?

I don't think he was trying to promote his solo career by saying anything about DJ. I was just referencing Slash has to push his brand more than say an Axl has to... Axl can just show up whenever he wants and people are going to come out because he is the singer... the frontman.. and the big star with the big band name. In order for Slash to make a good living playing music.. he has to promote himself in a different fashion... nothing to do with this comment about DJ.

Plus I just read that this french interview is possibly a few years old actually... so that would change thins in regards to how you can view what he said. 

Actually, relying on user comments on websites to provide me factual information is the last thing I would do.


A VERY popular belief is still a belief, not a fact, and it makes a larger statement about the people willing to believe it just because they read it on a website.


"Dumb evil shit" is certainly a statement of opinion, not fact.

Well it's a good thing I never said any of that is fact... just that there are many different opinions on the subject.

i cant remember one note that the dude, the name i forgot, did write for Axl.

His name is two letters. It's not that difficult to remember.

Here it is in this pic:

(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10806427_856030114438335_9184450879306499292_n.jpg?oh=bb43f6d269bb8c7402143d76fe977fcd&oe=5551A054)



/jarmo

As much as I am doing my best to warm up to DJ.  I still can't get over the make up and always done up look

Mb Slash, who is a old school rocker, feels the same.   

Or he just honestly forgot his name

Or it was just a d-bag comment

Uhm, that was scary, Jarmo. puuuh, what a pic......

You can also see him on the latest GN'R release, which I'm sure you own since it's the first GN'R live video since 1992.

:D



/jarmo

The guy with the top hat? that one who is playing the almighty SCOM-solo? it aint Slash?!?!?  ;)

Exactly. I'm sure you're aware of it since you're at a GN'R fan site in 2015....  : ok:



/jarmo

Good for Slash!!! I wish I could forget  Ashba

That's a weird thing to say about a member of your favorite band....


No, I'm not serious. I've seen the bias. No need to act.  : ok:




/jarmo

Is it? 

Look, I'm long on record saying DJ gets an unreasonably hard time from some fans.

But, let's not all take stupid pills here.  That "favorite band" designation was formed 25 years ago.  And DJ Ashba had nothing to do with the affection or that label.

If he left tomorrow, who bats an eye?  We can't just ignore that.

He is not a member of my favorite band. He is just a guy who gets paid to pretend he is a lead a guitar. He is not Eddie Van Halen, he is not Angus Young, he is not Keith Richards, he is not Jimmy Page. He will never be any of those guys, not even close.

He is not making music history neither with Axl nor with Sixx AM. I don?t care if he is nominated in some magazine. For the most part the guy is a total nobody and the general public don?t know his name either.

- So it could even have been Axl himself - he's an original gnr member - and it wouldn't be the first time he delayed a release.
- Slash isn't an original gnr member (Axl Rose, Tracii Guns, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan and Robbie Gardner) so he couldn't be the reason for the delay.  :rofl:

What's your favorite band then?




/jarmo

While obviously a couple of people here have used this thread to take an obvious shot at an easy target...

DJ has nothing to do with any of the GNR discography... That's nothing against him... just the way it is..

I could be hired to be Ron's replacement in Guns N Roses... why should fans of the band automatically love me?

Guns N?Roses, not this sort of tribute band.

The band is Guns N' Roses. Look at your copy of Appetite For Democracy.  : ok:




If you were, I'd at least expect people to show some respect on a fan site. But once again, I'm hoping for too much. It's too much to ask for people who are fans of something that ceased to exist over 20 years ago to move on instead of going to fan sites and disrespecting the band that kept going.




/jarmo

Wrong again, I didn?t buy that Appetite For Bullshit thing. If the DVD would?ve been the show with Izzy as a guest then maybe I would?ve bought that one. I regret buying CD. Nor I bought that other Greatest Hits album, songs that I already have in oficial albums, videos and bootlegs. I don?t buy whatever thing that has the GN?R name attached to it only for the sake of the name.

Is that what people are saying?

Or are people saying this band, as presently constituted, is not their "favorite band of all time"?

Your inability to separate the two is a big problem for you.  You are so committed to the straight line narrative that this has all been on continuous journey.  I don't expect you to change your viewpoint, but it sure seems to lead to us slogging through the same conversations.

Most of us don't see a band "that kept going."  We see a band that broke up, a new one with different people was cobbled together to perform under this name, and we all just make the best of it.

Why are we terrible people?  Why is the only acceptable version of events that its all been organic, when it clearly has not?

Well, this is rather different.

I can get onboard with your not accepting Jarmo's fantasy version of events.  But based on what you are saying, there is literally nothing they can do you be interested in, right?

So in other words, you're a fan of something that hasn't existed in over 20 years. Why are you here then?





I wasn't even talking to poor you.
No need for your pity party.

If somebody comes here and wishes they could forget Dj and calling the band a tribute act, they're on the wrong site for the wrong fucking reasons. Simple really.




/jarmo

Well I did say people were going too far.

Why am I hare? Hope I guess. I?m interested in Axl. The same way I care about Slash or Adler. I went to see them. It?s  Like  a kid with divorced parents, the kid spends time with both of them depite the fact that the may never be together again. If the mother marries some other guy, is that guy the kid?s father? Does the kid have the obligation to call that other man dad? Does the kid have the obligation to love the other guy?

You mean instead of holding a grudge against the guy for making the biological parents get divorced?

Nobody mentioned love. That's your idea.
I said respect. Show some.

You act like it's the current band's fault that the old band imploded about 25 years ago.




/jarmo

Interesting take.

Its just that for all my "fake fandom" and general awfulness, I do still want a new album, by these guys.

But this band has lost, quite literally, hundreds of thousands of fans with that break-up.

Why aren't they the villains in your story? 

Or are you just a guy that always needs a villain?  Even if this now niche fanbase was whittled down even further, would you not be satisfied with the fat that got cut?  Would you then designate another group of what's left as the problem children? 

Does your gots to keep it real attitude mean the struggle never ends?

Wait! I never blame the new guys for the break up. And I decide who I like and respect. I never like nor respect Scott Weiland despite the fact that he was in a band with Slash and Duff. STP never was my cup of tea. And he has shown in the past and recently that he is an asshole

I can respect Buckethead. But I don?t like Ashba I find the guy annoying, not good enough to be a lead guitar worthy of Axl Rose. And I?m not going to like him just because he is performing with Axl.

What villains? For a guy who has such a high opinion about yourself and your own intelligence, you sure don't act like it.
I'm not gonna explain to you who this site is for again! I've explained that enough times to you already. I'm not gonna do it again.




You respect Buckethead yet you regret buying the GN'R album he plays on.
I still don't get why you're here. You regret buying the latest album. You have shown zero interest in anything the band will do in the future (unless it's that magical reunion).
You're interested in Axl? You've managed to disrespect basically everything he's done in the past few years. Is that the interest?  ::)





/jarmo

Yeah CD is boring. It lacks attitude,anger and fun. It has too many balads and songs about Axl?s issues with ex girlfriends.  And an industrial sound that has nothing to do with GN?R. Butckethead was capable to play the right way the solos and intros of the old songs. On the other hand we have DJ saying in a interview that Riad was too hard for him to play   ::)

Yes, I?m interested to see what Axl does next, even if next means retirement or something else that it might have nothing to do with music. Unlike other fans I?m not desperate for a new album. IF it at some point there is one I?m gonna give it a chance. I?m interested in hering Axl?s voice in an abum and hopefully a YCBM Or WTTJ type of song. I believe it?s better to have a reunion instead of this revolving door band. I think not a single GN?R fan was happy with the break up.

Haha. Sounds like somebody really looked hard for reasons not to like the album.
You'd rather have songs about Axl's neighbor, the media and drugs? Can't write those songs all the time you know... Besides, you don't seem to like lyrics that are based on personal experiences.

The "sound that has nothing to do with GN'R" is interesting excuse, considering some thought a piano didn't belong in GN'R. And look what happened. One of their biggest songs is a piano (ballad) song!

Many of us love that part of GN'R. That it's not like Poison.



I don't remember seeing that interview. Do you have a link?




Happy? Maybe not, but many either found another band to obsesses over or accepted the reality. Instead of pretending to be interested twenty years later and carrying a chip on their shoulder.





/jarmo

This is a legit question.

Was there any love for this guy beforehand?  Was anyone here going to buy a Ron Thal solo album if he never joined?

I don't know if its boring.

But, if Axl did not have a built in fanbase, does it get noticed on its own?  I was never sure.

If this was truly a debut album from a new band, how does it do?

Was anybody here into Road Crew? No?
GN'R exposed a lot of people to musicians who were in the band. It's nothing new, please stop acting like it. :D





/jarmo

I find it boring. That doesn?t mean that the whole world has to find it boring as well. We have 14 songs and a lot of balads but not epic ballads. I don?t find good intros. Take a look at YCBM or NR. I really miss that. Those are the things I look forward in a GN?R album. I always love Axl?s anger. I belive he has plenty of reasons to be angry. I wish he could make songs with all the press release he has issued. All I hear is self pitty, defeat, and sadness in a lot of songs. Still he could a lot better with those fillings like he did in Breakdown or Coma. And other songs are really por like Chinese Democracy itself or If The World. There are a few things worthy like in Sorry "I kick your ass the way I say I would do" I want to hear more of that!!! But not in a  ballad.

A lot of people didn?t pay any attention to CD for many reasons. Back in the 90 there were a lot of fair whether fans, a lot of people who only like the hits and they bought the albums just for that. Add the break up, the changes in the industry, radio and MTV and technology. I don?t think it was an album debut. Axl never made the impression that was the case.

Axl is not getting the good advice. He has to be more like get in the ring type of guy to get the 18 year old guys and he needs to be sexy like he was in the 90s so he can get the 15 year old girls. If he can?t have the teens among the fan base somehow he can?t sell 10 million albums. And he needs more visibility. He should be using twitter and Facebook more often.He needs to do things to get media attention. I find it a miracle that Jim Rome  talked about him in his t.v. show the day of his birthday

So in other words, you want Axl to be the idea of the perfect Axl that exists in your mind instead of being himself.
November Rain has a good intro and Street Of Dreams doesn't? Those aren't that far apart.


I'm glad the man's got integrity. Instead of catering to teenagers like One Direction.... : ok:




/jarmo

I think she made her point very clear.

Doesn't like the new band

And is interested with Axl

Nothing wrong with that.   Not to many places to go to hear and talk about Axl

Yes Street Of Dreams and NR are very far apart. But SOD is still a decent power ballad. Anyway I?m not asking Axl to be One Direction. D-X was concerned at the lack of sales and hundreds of thousends of fans that are longer there. I pointed out several reasons for that. And the fact that Axl is not appealing to teens is just one of them. For me the amount of sales is not important but for the record company is. Unfortunately they care about profit.

You were talking about intros of songs. I pointed out that they aren't that different. Pianos driven songs.

First you talk about how you like the intro to November Rain, and then you point out that you don't really like Street Of Dreams that much.
I'm sorry but it just seems to me that you're looking for reasons not to like anything about the album.




/jarmo

To him, he is.  He's getting what he wants to hear.

Dude doesn't exactly have a "team of rivals" mindset.

Since you want Axl to be more angry, I want you to be less angry and more open minded.

And move on.

Thanks.  :peace:


/jarmo

I like to call SOD "Yesterday's Rain"..... ;D