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Courtesy of Dj's Facebook page:


Dj ASHBA
This badass MF just showed up on my doorstep today! An insane gift from @axlrose I am off to proudly hang this in my house! ‪#‎SoSic‬ ‪#‎blessedlife‬ ‪#‎1mCopies‬ ‪#‎ChineseDemocracy‬ @gunsnroses

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Very cool!

And before all the haters start pointing out that Dj didn't play on the record, he toured the world promoting it. After its release.
Axl gave Dj a platinum award because he deserves one.




/jarmo

Agreed

An amazing gift

Agreed
Sweet!!!   :beer:

What a great present and picture  :love:

Ashba is valued in GNR, and he is loyal.So upbeat.

Its a very nice gift from Axl and DJ has done a good job promoting the album world wide

I do wonder if any of the ex memebers that were on the album recieved a nice gift like this

It wouldnt be very nice if DJ recieved this at the expense of the other members

Also, not to hate on DJ or anything BUT....   He said that it just showed up on his door step and he took a picture
....   

Is that how he really dresses while relaxing around his house?   He is wearing eyeliner and looks to be in costume.  HAha. Hey I like looking good as much as the next guy, but i like to dress a little more comffy at home. 

My guess is that all other members of GN'R have received their very own platinum record years ago. The reason Axl gave this to Dj (who wouldn't have one since he's not on the album) is probably because of the reason Jarmo gave.

It's a gift from Axl, nice of him.




Just to speculate.. Do you think there's any symbolism to this gift? Closing the Chinese Democracy chapter after the last tour maybe. Axl maybe gave this to Dj as a final thank you for the touring effort on Chinese.

Next chapter to follow... New songs, new album, new tour.

That might be true, the part about the EX memebers. 

I was just thnking Axl had a bunch of these shipped to his home by the label and it was at his discrestion who got them.  And that he just recieved them.   

Whos signatures are on it?   It looks loke three.   Axl and tommy and what looks to be DJ.    Did he actually sign this himself?   

THAT WOULD BE EPIC! I wonder if Axl gave him his own award thingy and now he himself does not have one? Or if he just had an extra one lying around? That would be pretty amazing if Axl gave up his own so DJ could have one.

To me it looks like it's just Axl's, with a dedication to Dj on it.



/jarmo

Good eye.   That looks right too me

Symbolic of the bridge from CD to CDII.  It would make a lot of sense now, symbolically speaking, if DJ is featured on CDII.  We need a DJ interview to find out if he's been in the studio  : ok:

Has the album just reached the 1 million mark.?

It's for units shipped I believe, so it would be from 2009 then (if that one is for the US).

I would like to find out just how many copies this album have sold

And if it is now 1 million in the united states  is that 1 million plus the 1.5 million best buy bought?

Certification in the US are for units shipped.

If you wanna know the number of units sold, that's Nielsen Soundscan.

Yes I would like to know both.

And both seem like pretty hard numbers to find, for recent numbera

The number of units sold are usually provided when an album is charting. I don't know if one can request numbers directly from the source, you probably have to be from the press.

So from what I have read just with the best buy deal the album has shipped 1.5 million copies in 2008 and that alone would cert the album plat in the US

So my question is, the album woould only have to ship 500 000 more copies to be cert 2 * plat.    I know the best buy deal has expired and other american retailers are allowed to carry the album now.   Doesnt seem like they would have to ship that many more copies to be deemed 2 * plat

Also i read the actual albums sold in the united states was around 700 thousand.  But that was old data and not since the best buy deal ended.  I would be courious to see what the number is now.  Close to 1 million??   Or hasnt moved many copies in a while. 

As the bottom placers of the Billboard 200 only sells a few thousand (maybe below 1,000?) in a week, and CD hasn't charted in a good while, I think it's safe to say that the total isn't increasing rapidly.

To be honest, it would have been good if they could have at least released the remix album and deluxe original CD + remix + bonus sometime between CD and now.  They toured it forever and it would have been a chance for them to re-release this thing with better promotion on tour.  it also would have held us over til now.

Fuck deluxe versions, they exist just to make more money, making people buy the same music multiple times.

 Theres nothing wrong to release just a remix album.

Posted by Frank:

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Proud Mama!!!

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/jarmo

So did Axl just get all these and is now handing them out? 

Who is next?

Also what does the plaque part read?   Looks like Franks name.  1000000 copies congrata.  zoomed in but cant make it out

Also these look like these are from the riaa. 

How can DJ get one?  He never did anything on the album

I get how he proudly promoted it and toured it.  But I thoight the one he got was like Axls.  But yoi can see Djs name engraved on it.   

i also promted the album!   Wheres mine!!!

He's not on it, but he toured for nearly 5 years in support of it.  I'd say that's worth a plaque.  And I am not the biggest DJ fan.

Ya I am not to argue this to hard, as I think he has done a lot to get the name GNR out there   

Just didnt know you could get an award like this and not be a part of the album.  The R in RiAA does stand for recording

I think it should help to manifest his status as a GN'R band member.

The RIAA certifies the album so the artist can get the gold, or in this case, platinum award. Then it's up to the artist, management and/or record company to get the awards done. It's up to them to decide who they want to give them to.

Got little to do with performing on the record itself.



/jarmo

2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, BluRay, Dvd, 3D, New Album, etc, etc

Congratulations Dj Ashba

 :beer:

Thanks for that

So what you are saying is that frank and dj may get this award.  While brain and bucket may not receive one?  That doesnt seem right

A couple years ago Steven did a charity auction where he offered the winner a brand new GN'R RIAA award personalized with the winners name.  Being a band member at some point may be enough to order one?  http://www.antimusic.com/news/12/December/07Steven_Adler_Auctioning_Guns_N_Roses_Platinum_Plaques.shtml (http://www.antimusic.com/news/12/December/07Steven_Adler_Auctioning_Guns_N_Roses_Platinum_Plaques.shtml)

Anyway, it's great to see the photos DJ and Frank shared.  Axl gave them each a really cool gift.

Ok let me see if I get this. So if the artist or management want to give this platinum to Duff, they have the right? Is that how it works?

Steven was a legal member of gnr on that album   With writting credits.  So I hope he has a copy.   

In a way DI is out promoting afd as well.  Should he get a plaque for that as well?  How many songs does he play live from CD compared to afd?   

I believe so. The RIAA certified it platinum, they don't decide who gets the actual award plaque.

By the way, Axl giving these to Dj and Frank. What a great way to promote the current band!




/jarmo

I have always liked Axl's signature.

Jarmo... where is the picture of you and ur platinum record ?  :D

Agree.  Are you aware of anyone else receiving these?

Yeah, I see it more as a rah-rah sign of camaraderie than anything else.  Which is fine.

Promoting the current band! Hooray!




/jarmo

I wonder if BBF got one?

Neither side can comment.

So which side are you pretending to speak for and do you honestly have any knowledge on this whatsoever or is that a pretense as well?

(Rhetorical, no need to actually answer) :peace:

I speak for both sides.

And I would appreciate any further request for information be submitted in a written request on your company letterhead.

Hey, no fair!  You added this after.

True, it was an after, afterthought. ;)

Why does he deserve it though? If Axl gave him one as a gift then thats fine. Platinum albums are saved for people who play on said album. Not for members of the touring lineup. An analogy would be Gilby getting one for the Illusions albums.

So what dude... come on lets save the nitpicking for the things that deserve it ! haha

It was a gift... no big deal

Read Dj's tweet: "an insane gift from @axlrose".

Like I said I'm fine if its a gift from Axl but does he deserve it for contributing to CD? No.

Agreed.

That's what I say to people over at MYGNR that harp on how DJ stands on stage.

We got bigger fish, people.

I guess I need to explain this to you again.

It has very little to do with contributing to the album itself. It's a gift. Axl could've given him an iPad! Would that be a problem too since Dj or Frank didn't contribute anything to the iPad?


Sometimes artists give these to journalists, radio DJs, management, their crew, their sponsors and so on. It's up to the artists!


Just because you don't like the guy, you need to go on and on about how he doesn't deserve a gift. What are you, Santa Claus?

These guys are in the band.





/jarmo

I said I was Ok with him giving it to him as a gift. So no need to spell it out :beer:

You said he doesn't deserve it!



/jarmo

For his contributions to CD. But I'm ok with it if its a gift.

Hey Jarmo, maybe this is the answer to the HOF conundrum.

The other guys could have been mentioned as a gift.

I don't think anybody made the claim that he got this gift for his contributions to an album that was released before he joined the band....  :rofl:



/jarmo

Really?


Was the rest of that post going to be "...as a gift", but wasn't, for whatever reason? 

Your the one who used the word deserve to begin with in your first post. Why does he deserve one? For touring the album with the band? Then Gilby deserves one for touring the Illusion albums. I'm ok with it as a gift from Axl, but the only people who truly deserve these are the people who contributed. Frank deserves his.

Mind you, I'm not a hater either. I'm always posting about wanting to hear what the "current" lineup can come up with. Not previous versions. So I'm not hating on DJ. I would love to see him get one that he truly "deserves".

Hahahaha.

He deserves one. He's in the band. He toured with the band for years after the album came out.
Axl gave him a platinum award as a gift.

I can't believe I need to explain Axl's right to give gifts to people!



Really?





/jarmo

Didnt he play on CD?

You don't.

But you might explain how you were so pre-emptively defiant in the first post that he deserved it...and now seems to have latched on to this "..as a gift" thing some 50 posts into the thread.

Axl?
I think he did.

Not everyone who get platinum awards actually perform on the albums.



The only explanation is because I saw these comments coming and you didn't disappoint in that sense.



/jarmo

<buzzer sound>

Here's every post of mine about the subject in this thread.



For a guy that's such a supposed stickler for accuracy, perhaps you might tell me where I "didn't disappoint" here?

Frank

You didn't disappoint by posting pointless drivel.



Yes, he did. Dj didn't. Not everyone who gets an award played on the album.
Is that a problem, still?




/jarmo

I'm not an expert on who gets these awards, but I believe it's common that the manager receives one. The manager doesn't play on the record, but is part of the team around the album in question. The promotion of the record is part of the record's history, and with Dj contributing to making the songs come alive on stage, I think he deserves the award.

With Frank also receiving one now, it seems like Axl's had a list of people involved with the record's history who deserved to get one of these.

I've seen people write that Ron, Robin and Bucket "deserves" this more than Dj (don't remember if it was in this thread). My hunch is that they've all received their very own award. Just because they didn't post a picture of it online doesn't mean they didn't get one, I'm sure they did.

Yeah...good save.

Look, sport.  I know your knee jerk is to assume I am at the head of every pitchfork and torch crowd that comes along.

But you sacrifice what's left of your waning credibility when you throw out stuff that is disproven with a check of the same thread that takes 30 seconds.

Now, I'm sure I'll be along with some other great wrong you will feel I need to be set straight on soon enough.  

But don't be so fucking eager.  Let the game come to you.

If you read my original post you would see that I never had a problem with it as a gift from Axl. But when you say he deserves it thats different. Maybe you can clarify...Does he deserve it as a gift for touring the album? If so we agree.

Oh you showed me. You jump into a thread weeks after to show how wrong I was. Great job! You should be proud!


When I posted that picture of Dj, I knew I'd see comments like I saw today posted. I knew it.

Comments form people who don't even understand how these things work. Who don't either know or care about the fact that you don't need to play on an album to get the award.
Instead of commenting on my posts two weeks ago, you saw it today and had to show me! Great, good job!

My credibility? Well, unfortunately the people that matter know my credibility and your opinion on that doesn't matter to them. Sorry.





Of course he deserves it for being in the band and promoting the album by touring behind it.
Robin and Buckethead might be on the album, but I suspect Dj played more shows promoting those songs than they did.




/jarmo

(since you seem to have trouble saying the words)

I'm so sorry for responding to you when I was having a conversation with somebody else. Sorry if I offended you.

SORRY! Can you please forgive me for this major fuck up?




/jarmo

2 points....

1.Robin and Bucket "deserve" a platinum album they helped create a whole lot more than the guy who toured it. Thats like saying Gilby deserves one as much as Izzy because he played more Illusions shows.

2.I do know how this works ( I'm in a band). Platinum records are given by the labels to the artists who perform on an album. Artists ( Band members) can purchase more which they can give as gifts.

Also....didnt see this thread till today so Im late to the show I guess.

Instead of focusing on who deserves what more, why not just be happy for him?




/jarmo

I am. Never said I wasn't. You brought up the whole "deserve" thing. I challenged it. If that's your opinion then I respect it.

What I was told - "even when you are deemed eligible for the award, you still have to pay for the construction of your own plaque.  All together, each plaque costs $205".

He could have bought a bottle of something or a new iPhone, but how many times do you see fans try to put something on the wall that looks like a gold or platinum award? Having the real thing is a lot better, and it's an acknowledgement they can show off to their family and friends.

It's unusual for someone to sign the actual discs, he would have had to go to the custom framer to do it.

Buddy, I don't hold grudges.  We're as good as we were before all this.

Jarmo, Next time your in the east coast of the US we should meet up and hit a steak house. Im in NYC.

Get in line. 

He and I are hitting up Dave & Buster's.  Playing some air hockey.

I meant to include you too D-X!!

Well. I had a few questions regarding this whole thing

They have been answered and my curiosity has been met

They are cool plaques and it's nice to se Axl recognizing a couple of guys that have supported him

OK, you get winner.

Yes I did. Axl wouldn't have give him one if he didn't think Dj (or Frank for that matter) didn't deserve one.




/jarmo

Well when do I get one? I've played that album more times than the band has so I guess mine's in the snail mail?  :rofl:

I don't know it's just weird. Richard hasn't got an award for AfD right?

DJ hasn't even listened to the album before he joined the band.

Me To...

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

How does these things work.

Album goes gold or platinum (didnt chinese go platinum already  in 2009?)

Does the band decide on how many platinum records they will be given, lets say axl ordered ten of them.

Or do they get one per member of the band who recorded on the album.

Or do they get one platinum record per one millon sales?

Jarmo explained this earlier in the thread:

"The RIAA certifies the album so the artist can get the gold, or in this case, platinum award. Then it's up to the artist, management and/or record company to get the awards done. It's up to them to decide who they want to give them to."

Also, from the RIAA site--

RIAA certification entitles the authorized record company/music label to purchase official RIAA award plaques bearing the trademarked RIAA hologram seal from licensed plaque manufacturers.

Also:

The plaques themselves contain various items under the glass. Modern awards often use CDs instead of records. Most gold and platinum records are actually vinyl records which have been vacuum metallized and tinted, while trimmed and plated metal "masters", "mothers", or "stampers" (metal parts used for pressing records out of vinyl) were initially used. Rarely does the groove on the record match the actual recording being awarded. Individual plaque-makers produced their awards according to available materials and techniques employed by their graphic arts departments. The plaques, depending on size and elaborateness of design, cost anywhere between US$135 and $275, most often ordered and purchased by the record label that issued the original recording.

Here:
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/jarmo

THAT - is awesome!

Ok... but do you really deserve that....  :hihi:

Holy shit! Gratz jarmo!!

That's SOOO cool!

This just put a huge smile on my face ;D


Gongratz Jarmo

Cheeers J. (Y)

 :beer:

Thanks everybody. :)

Thanks to Axl and the GN'R family as well. What a surprise!



/jarmo

Good for you dude. 

I will keep checking the mail......

Congratulations Jarmo, what a great surprise and honor for you   : ok:

I bet some people are howling about this for sure, fuck em'  :hihi:

That's pretty cool.

Most of Jarmo's whole set-up is pretty cool.  I never really though that was in dispute.

Jarmo, did you receive this just now?

What does the plaque say?

Congrats Jarmo!!

A few days ago.
It says: Presented to (name) to commemorate RIAA certified platinum sales of more than 1,000,000 copies of the Geffen Records album "Chinese Democracy"



Thanks again!


/jarmo

That's pretty cool!

I might be reading a bit into this, but it seems like Axl are sending these out to everyone who's been involved in making and/or promoting the record. Closing the chapter on it sort of.

Hey Jarmo did you try to play this bad boy? Maybe Axl sent you the next album by mistake?  :rofl:

Thats totally Sweet Jarmo awesome, congrats!!

Congratulations !! Haha, amazing  :beer:

A little bit of respect goes a long way

It's been snowing where I live today so the postie hasn't been.

I'm sure my record will be here any day now  :smoking:

 :hihi:

Jarmo, dude... 1 Million Copies Worldwide From 2008 To 2015 ?

RIAA only certifies these for the USA. RIAA stands for Recording Industry Association of America.



/jarmo

Congrats Jarmo!  :beer:

Pretty damn cool in my opinion.

Dude, congrats!  So dope.  : ok:

Wow!  That's beyond cool - congrats Jarmo - how awesome is that!!
 :beer:

Thanks

 : ok:

OMG!!!  :o  SOOOOOO FUCKIN' AWESOME!!!!  :headbanger:
Congratulations Jarmo!!!  Well deserved.   :beer:

So your photo of you with the plaque will be posted soon.......... are you camera shy?

Congrats, you keep up those singing/guitar/drum lessons & you might be ON the next record!!   :hihi:

Can you tell by your awared which one of the licensed companies manufactured this? I read there are only a handful.

Current RIAA Licensed Framers (Alphabetical):

Dejay Gold/Products Seattle, WA
Ill-Eagle Enterprises, LTD. Little Falls, NJ
Jewel Box Platinum Marina Del Ray, CA
Milestone Awards Burbank, CA

I'm a curious cat Jarmo, Congrats again!! : ok:

Not shy. But then there'd be too much to look at it in the photo....  ;)  :hihi:



/jarmo

Wow, very nice.  Good for you man, congrats.

Congrats Jarmo!

And nice one for D.J and Frank too!

It is interesting Axl is sending these ones a few years after the actual certification though... :)

At least they could have personalized it to Jarmo instead of presenting it too (name)   ;D

Congrats, thats cool.  You're like Almost Famous  : ok:

So is this an example of how some on here believe Chinese was a huge failure?...😏. Where are those people at in this thread?

That award was awarded February 2009. It therefore depends on whether you regard Platinum, within two-three months of release, as a comparative success/failure. I personally believe Chinese Democracy sold mediocre and see no reason to alter my belief. Black Ice for instance was certified 2x Platinum during a similar span of time.

Great for Black Ice!  How many albums had gone 2x platinum during that time?  Not many at all.  Just because Black Ice sold better doesn't make Chinese a "failure"...which is a term you and others have used.  "Huge flop" was another saying. 

As I have said before, it is subjective. If you think 2.6 million is a resounding success, good for you. 2008 2x Platinum albums: Death Magnetic, Viva la Vida, 19, I Am... Sasha Fierce

Chinese Democracy was the 14th best-selling album of 2008 worldwide. The only hard rock/metal bands placed above GN'R were AC/DC and Metallica. I think it performed well. The expectations were probably unreasonably high.

Well it was.  :hihi:

Thanks!




/jarmo

That's Awesome! Congrats!

You can tell it really is CD too! The name  Jarmo has been written is distorted  :P  Congratulations fella

Thanks!




/jarmo

You say you're not camera shy but there is video evidence of DJ saying to you "you don't like being filmed do you" and you saying "no".
Next time we meet up at a concert be prepared for lots of photos - just sayin'   :hihi: :rofl:

I didn't want to be the focus of his clip. ;)



/jarmo

@MSmithBubbles
Just got an awesome, unexpected gift in the mail from @axlrose Fuckin' awesome! Thanks brother! @gunsnroses

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Credit to MSL for posting this first.

Great Times Whit Bubbles

 :peace:

Hahahha who's next?

Bumblefoot?  :hihi:


I'm glad for you Jarmo, well deserved, you're very loyal and you handle things with intelligence and wisdom.

Great gesture from Axl it really is.

Maybe Buckethead?

As a poster mentioned a few back, the writters of the album + mangers + producers, would of all recieved there copies back when this accoplishment happend

These awards have all been ordered by Axl and or managment.   Which to me, actually makes them pretty special

Ok. Maybe Beta or Fernando?

haha, I am pretty sure they are the ones ording them.  So MB, but I am sure they already have one

I would guess..   Sabaschen Bach

Tommy will probably hand deliver one to Josh Freese.

Jarmo what instrument did you play?

Mostly Macbook Pro keyboards.

And, thank you!  : ok:



/jarmo