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DJ Ashba
Sixx: A.M. / Guns N' Roses
 
DJ Ashba pulled double duty in 2014, delivering the edge to some of rock's most well-known songs on tour with Guns N' Roses and spending time in the studio with Sixx: A.M. For the latter project, Ashba got a chance to explore his influences, delivering '70s-inspired glam stomp one moment and full throttle licks the next, making 'Modern Vintage' one of the year's most eclectic discs.

http://loudwire.com/best-guitarist-2014-4th-annual-loudwire-music-awards/?trackback=tsmclip

 :smoking:

Voted!  :beer: I wonder how everyone over at djashbasucksateverything.com aka mygnr.com are gonna spin this into yet another DJ bashing thread ::). Hope he wins, but awesome to just be nominated.

No comment.

Hahaha, wouldnt he at least have to be the best guitar player in his current band?

There are actually clips of various band members, including Axl, actually laughing at Ashba's playing on stage!

I voted for the other guy in the top hat. Interesting to see how both of them are now leading the race.

Yeah ... I didn't vote for DJ....

but in fairness to him I have never listened to Sixx AM

I dont visit other Gnr forums often, but out of curiosity i just visited mygnr.com and it was horrendous.  :nervous:

its like a linkin park forum that had a gnr hate thread that somehow transformed to its own website

You can't take it seriously... It's "schtick" to make fun of him there...

I admit.. I'm not a fan of him either... but don't quite get the outright hatred

WAY over the top.

i voted for Slash  :peace:

If I tell you that mygnr is actually rather mild (and moderated) these days, and that there are far more anti-Axl/nu band forums in existence, would you be surprised? Most of the stuff on mygnr is just, comedy.

Well if it entertains... To each their own.

I agree.  I see it a goof around site.  Not a hell of a lot of constructive discussion.

Now, if you operate under the premise that discussing a rock band is SERIOUS BUSINESS, no, you aren't going to have a ball over there.

It also makes fun of Slash. I wouldn't call in, anti-Axl per se, so much as nobody is safe. But when you think about it, you have five or six major GN'R forums and most of them unanimously agree on certain salient details. When yet another South American tour is booked, you see the same grimaces and jokes on, a more temperate forum such as gnrunlimited, as you do on mygnr. Most fans are fairly unanimous that, CD2 is well over due, that playing the same show for five years is rather lame, and that Ashba has indifferent musicianmansip. They just go about expressing it differently.

The only exceptions are, here, and MSL's place.

Having watched the slash live at Glasgow on mtv this week I have to admit he is a whole different league to DJ.

Mygnr Is Dead

 : ok:

It is actually very active.

Trolls Not Are In GNR

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Grammar isn't also seemingly.

One of our rules here clearly state that you shouldn't make fun of somebody's grammar. Especially since the person in question might not be a native English speaker.




/jarmo

You are quite specific with, ze rules there, Herr Jarmo?

What about making fun of other forums? I know a lot of other forums do not like to indulge in, 'forum wars', for obvious reasons, yet you have permitted this poster to head in this very direction?

Ya it sure takes a lot of skill to make a joke at someone else's expense when they are trying to post on fan forum that is obviously not in there native tongue.   

Aww, a nazi reference. How original.
You come back with making fun of somebody else's grammar and now this?

It's deja vu all over again.


Don't get offended that he thinks that site is full of trolls. No, we don't play their silly forum war games.
But that was nothing. He was stating his opinion. Not more than that. Just like you were.



/jarmo

The fact Slash & DJ are top goes go to show how good an online community GN'R have. When you consider how popular AC\DC are for example.

I'd like to see DJ win just to spite the mygnr dicks. Every show I've been to since 2009 I've left and overheard audience members praising DJ. I personally think he's the best thing to happen to GN'R since 2001. He may not be technicaly the best player in the band but in my opinion he is a much better fit than Robin. I hope he has a hand in any new release. I really enjoy his solo slots and his work with Sixx AM is good.

Yes i like DJ, his playing is solid, you know what he will play and he plays it great. the thing about Robin who i like very much also but some times he went a little over the top with his solos and licks, especially on the 06-07 tour with the 01-02 stuff i dont mind it at all.

I thought Robin's live solos were painful on the ears.  Almost to the point I wondered if they were a practical joke.

But, his input in the creation of CD can't be overlooked or marginalized.

Unfortunately for DJ, I think the GNR facebook post will garner more votes for Slash than DJ. Not that it matters, it's just a silly online poll.

I liked the fact that Robin and Bucket didn't "look the part" of Guns N roses... because if you were going to have a totally different band... they might as well look completely different too.

I've heard this put out before, and I have to say I agree.

And if you don't believe it, look at the hate DJ gets.  A lot of it is because the perception is that he tries to look, pose, and generally be Slash.

I like DJ's non GNR look better than his GNR look. I don't judge how he plays because he's never been on a GNR record. So that wouldn't be fair.

Agreed.

I have him on a few concert bootlegs.  I actually like his solo spots, but as for what he brings to the table creatively?  I still have no clue.

I don't see him trying to be Slash. He's got his own style- albeit born out of a love of Motley Crue. I think he respects the past of the band and hints at it in his stage pesona.

To be hired and respected by Motley Crue, Nikki Sixx, Neil Diamond & Axl Rose means he's obviously doing something right.

As I said  I've never seen/heard any hate towards him at actual shows.

Robins solo spots were indeed tedious & painful. His dress sense also left little to be desired...in my opinion. Love his work on Chinese however.

It's a subjective thing, and like its quite often pointed out... we have no say about who is in Guns N Roses haha

Nice, you get to vote once an hour. So I guess the winner will be the one with the most dedicated online fan base. I will vote the shit out of DJ, at least it is some minor way that I can support the band.

Voted for Slash, not because I don't like DJ cos I do like him. I just thought Slash had a better year.

Voted By DJ Ashba (GNR) or SLASH (Ex-Gnr)

Simply

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''Guitarist of 2014'': it should actually be based upon their output as it was, 2014, and not their overall legacy as obviously Slash would beat DJ if it was just about legacy. In some ways it comes down to, what do you prefer, Modern Vintage or World On Fire? I voted for Angus Young based on the premise that I really like the new DC album. World on Fire however is a decent album also.

Liar liar pants on fire.

It is less a conviction of mine, more a saying.

Just givin' ya a hard time old boy!

Edit: DJ is in third, he is not doing all that bad. I have been voting for him pretty consistently every hour when I am near my computer.

My innocent comment was deleted
It's easy to see why this forum has become as dead as the dodo.

The obscured censorship on here has turned this place into a shit hole.

What did you say?  :)

Innocent? More like attention seeking trolling.



/jarmo

I said how could someone vote for Dj when he's up against Slash.
Dj makes a living playing the songs that Slash wrote and he is the worst guitarist in GNR at the moment.

Not to be rude, but since you started being uncivilized a few posts back, you are full of troll shit.

DJ has been successful with Sixx AM, with his design-clothing firm, AND with GNR.

I don't understand the Ashba-haters, Slash isn't in the band- why not appreciate all incarnations and lineups of GNR? There is no reason to choose, it isn't a competition.

Some people have strange mindsets  :rant:

It's not nice to lie.



/jarmo

Agree 100 per cent. Can't figure why so many people have such a hate on for DJ. Great guy, mad skills, living the dream in my books.

Praise publicly, criticise privately....

I don't get the DJ hate either.

But, let's be real.  If you had to rank all 3 current guitarists, is he not 3rd?  Is that out of line to say?

Hi Richbc welcome  :beer:

I would rank him number one as Live he's great to watch!

Richard is definitely the rockstar of the three and probably the most versatile.. I feel like he could step in to any band and fit in.

I dont have a problem or hate towards DJ and cant comment on his writting skills as I have nevee heard anything from him

But what I dont like is he seems phoney at times.  Like he playing the role of a rockstar.   Too much fake posing to the camera.   Like how many times does he really have to give the camera the middle finger?   If you watch the new boue ray the guy is givng the finger to the camera every second shot.    Thats all I really dont loke about the guy.  Seems phoney and seems to be playing the role of a rockstar and not actually one

Now when it comes to his playing live.   I dont have a problem with it at all.  Guns has been very lucky to have some of the gratest guitar players ever in there line ups.   With the current batch of guys.  For live playing I would rate DJ number 3.   And thats nothing agaisnt him     The other two are just better live players

What has a clothing line to do with a guitarist ability? Nothing.
I have nothing against Ashba but he is the worst guitarist in the band, his version of the This I love solo is horrible and his Sorry solo is also poor. He can't even play the second part of the sweet child solo, his patience solo is awful.
These are observations I've made from watching my favourite band live. I've seen the band 22 times live with Dj over the last few years and this is what I think personally.

The fact that he's emo doesn't come into it for me because he is at least a decent show man.

Hahaha I like how you say you have nothing agaisnt the guy, but then proceed to trash his work on a couple of solos and calling him the worst current guitarist in the band.   Remindes me of myself, when i want to make fun of someone.  I always start with, with all do respect...   

I think Emily just threw in the part about DJs clothing line, just to make a point that he is sucessful in other forms as well.  i am sure she knows that it has nothing to do with his guitar playing.  Some of his clothes arnt that bad actually....

Hey I am not the biggezt DJ fan.  And like i said above i rank him as number 3 as well.  However, the guy does bring in fans.   People like him.  He is the most popular of the three guitar players.  And in a time when the band could use more mainstream attention and fans, any rub dj being in the band and bringing in his own fans is good

In this poll, DJ is listed for his work in the two bands he's associated with:

DJ Ashba, Sixx: A.M. / Guns N' Roses

I personally am not familiar with Sixx: A.M. but would guess that he has both writing & performing credits them?

I think he is one of the primary song writters of that band yes


I have never heard any of there music

Consider this... in the upcoming Superbowl, would anyone say their least favourite quarterback is the worst of the two? Likely not. Both are great and have their strengths, otherwise they wouldn't be there.

Same with DJ. Axl obviously sees his merits (as do I).

People used to say the same shit about Robin. And Paul.... Some things never change.
Then the album came out and both names were in the song writing credits. Oops!


Keep voting for Dj. He's nominated because he's in GN'R and Sixx: A.M.... :)



/jarmo

If the other two were available as options to vote on then it would be a harder decision to make, but considering he is the only person from my favorite band on that poll, there is no way I wouldn't vote for him.

He may not be as good as a technical player as the other two guys but Ballad of Death (his solo on the DVD, not sure if that's what it's called) is something that people always seem to really get into when I show them the DVD. If that is considered as part of his writing credits for the year 2014 (considering that is when the DVD was released), then he does have at least that GNR writing credit to judge him based off of. It's not much to go on, but so far so good!

I merely voted for which guitarist was best in 2014. That is surely the only valid way to vote on a poll such as this?

Best means different things to different people. What does it mean to you mister mortis?

DJ is the only guitarist that is relevant to my interests out of every guitarist in the poll, so naturally I would vote for him. Given all the options, I like him best. The AFD dvd is my favorite music related release of 2014. I really enjoyed his contribution to that show.

Then you should vote for him, particularly based on his contributions to a 2014 release. As I said, I voted for Angus because I like Rock or Bust.

What I do not understand is the mindless and automated, bloc 'fan' based voting.

I think most people are voting on their favourite regardless of their efforts in the time-frame set. It's merely about loyalty with these polls, about wanting to create some positive press for your favourite artist/band.

Some people are voting like you, but not the majority I think. If you were to make a 100% unbiased vote, the criteria would have to be that you've listened properly through all of the candidates, and that's rarely the case with fan votes.

Mortis, it almost seems like your goal is to convince people not to vote for DJ. Have you seen the full DVD yet or only a few online clips? He actually does a very good job. I don't understand this nagging desire it seems you have to take him down a peg.

Strange as I do not believe I have said a single thing about DJ Ashba on this forum, pejorative or otherwise - oh yes, I did make one slight joke about the cigarette burning thing but that is it. Are you not confusing me with somebody else?

I merely think if you are voting in a poll for the best 'Guitarist of 2014', it should be for that guitarist's work in 2014 on a case-by-case basis, and not merely some bloc voting fan thing. If you think Ashba's work warrants the accolade, then go ahead and vote for Ashba; you are then voting for the right reason. If you are voting for Ashba however, merely because he is the guitarist of Guns N' Roses, then I cannot see the logic.

Yes, we get it. You don't see the point in supporting your favorite band by voting for the one guitar player from that band who was nominated.


/jarmo

The poll is not, 'what is your favourite band?', or, 'guitarist as based upon your favourite band?'. The poll is ''best guitarist of 2014''. This is explicit in the preamble:


Additionally, the summaries of the guitarists specifically mention releases in 2014, e.g. Modern Vintage, World on Fire, Rock or Bust.

The idea of a poll such as this is, you judge who has had the best year.

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 :)


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

I do that by spending my hard earned cash on the band all around the globe, not by tagging along on their tours because I once had a big forum and could manipulate what was being said on it.

Jealous much? :hihi:

You have to give Jarmo credit. He works really hard for that role and deserves the reward, for the effort he puts in. Most of us mere mortals would not last, two weeks, if given the opportunity to sit on the GN'R tour bus.

This is a fan poll. Do you really think people are giving their vote a lot of thought and are voting objectively?

Ideally everybody did like you, but that's not the case, you're in the minority. It is what it is, a poll that shows who's got the most rabid fans.

True, but why follow the pack animals?

I don't give these polls any thought really. It just something fun for the fans, not really to be taken all that seriously. Why not use these opportunities to try getting some positive press for your favorite band?

I actually rarely vote on them if truth be told - I made your exact same point awhile back, about them merely reflecting the zealousness of the fanbase. I did vote this time because Rock or Bust has never left my record player.

I have a lot of 'favourite bands' really. In fact I listen to a lot of musical genres, not just rock music.

I suppose AC/DC is one of your favorites then?

How do you compare Angus' performance in 2014 to Tom Maxwell, Paul Masvidal, Richard Kruspe and Fredrik ?kesson? I assume you've listened through their contributions to make a firm objective decision in this poll.


Look, if you did listen to all the music of the above mentioned artists, good on you.  :)

If you didn't, you are doing the exact thing people are encouraging us to do in this thread - to vote on (one of) your favorite band(s). Since this is a GNR board, that band is naturally --- GNR.

Good points, Spirit.  : ok:



Nice!  : ok:





/jarmo

I'm not too good at quoting multiple things in one post, but let's do a little recap here:

First you said no comment (whatever that was supposed to imply, perhaps you can inform me?). Your second comment was about how there are videos of the band laughing at DJ's playing. Then "Most fans are fairly unanimous that, CD2 is well over due, that playing the same show for five years is rather lame, and that Ashba has indifferent musicianmansip.". Then make fun of HBK's grammar (not related, but a dick move). Then this: "You are quite specific with, ze rules there, Herr Jarmo?", some obvious shit stirring Hitler reference for Jarmo.

You can say you didn't say anything yourself about DJ (except for specifically mentioning why you will not vote for him), but it just reminds me of the situation with your reserved opinion about CD. You compared it to other albums that you considered stinkers and it was obvious that you did not like it, but you maintained that you had not yet spoken your opinion about it. Then of course it comes out that you do not like it. I feel this is a similar situation. It's like a guy that keeps saying "Jesus says this, Jesus says that.". So you ask this guy if he's a Christian and he says "No, that's what Jesus says. That's not necessarily what I say.". I would eventually think this guy was trying to convert me to Christianity without admitting that he's actually a Christian.

I just don't see you bringing a lot of goodwill to the table in this thread. If I am not mistaken, the primary purpose of this thread is to create awareness about a poll that has the potential to garner some positive press for GNR. Would not this positive press be useful by creating some awareness for a band that may be releasing a new album soon? No no, that must be the cult side of me talking.

And you didn't answer one question, not that you are obligated to, but in case you forgot. Have you actually seen the DVD? It's really good. I saw a youtube clip and thought it sucked, but on my TV it sounded a million times better. Of all the people I have watched the DVD with, not one of them had a single negative thing to say about DJ with the exception of one friend that really hates the way he dresses. As for me, I do not care about how another man dresses. That shit is for the girls, not for me.

If I had the same opportunity as Jarmo I'd have done the exact same thing.
But it needs to be pointed out that he's alienating fans with the dictatorship style moderating. If I was him I'd probably what to know that.
I have nothing against the guy at all and most people would have abused the position he's in by now, which he deserves credit for not doing.

You're still upset because I chose to remove a post by you that didn't offer anything to the discussion and was only taking silly shots at Dj?
You call it censorship, I call it keeping discussions civil.

And yes, i have no trouble admitting that this site isn't aimed at every entitled disgruntled attention seeking fan.




/jarmo

I had forgetting that I said that. In fairness, saying he has ''indifferent musicianmanship'' is not exactly a controversial usage of words; I didn't say he 'sucks ass' or is 'terrible', or, ''a cash obsessed emo girl'' (terms you would find on any other GN'R board). I have never really involved myself in the various discussions about DJ Ashba here. See for yourself. I am not that keen on Ashba, if you do want my opinion; I think, if you line up the various guitarists who have played lead for Guns over the years (Slash, Buckethead, Finck, Bumblefoot), he is the worst. But, I am not exactly passionate enough about this point to criticise the guy on a constant basis as many people do. As I said, I have barely discussed the guy.

The rest is unrelated to Ashba - some of it is just arguments between me and Jarmo. Irrelevant.

I watched two clips of the Vegas DVD and burst out laughing when Axl's piano lifted off and started floating through the air. It does not look like something I would entertain watching, let alone buying.

What I meant was, it takes an extra ordinary genius to be willing enough to sacrifice one's action of independent thought, internal objectivity and sense of humour, to make one, amiable enough for a sycophantic junket. Most of us treasure these aspects of our personality.

Your absolutely right - as I said, my default position is to never even click on the weblink to these absurd polls, let alone, voting on them. But I am a fan of Zakk Wylde, Slash and DC from that list and made a judgement upon those three acts. My vote, I feel, is 'slightly' more objective than merely, instinct, fan based voting. Slash could have won for instance but I theorised that Rock or Bust is a slightly better record than World on Fire. I actually came to a decision, here.

If I was to vote for DJ, it would have to be based on SIXX AM's latest release (who I am not a fan of), not Guns. The fact that many of these acts (including Ashba) have released records is an obvious decision maker.

PS

Just to clarify, true objectivity is impossible in a poll such as that - spirit, you are correct - but a 'partial' (internal) objectivity can be attainable, by judging who has had the best year, from the acts, you like enough to have listened to that given year (live or studio). What if Guns had an excellent year and you voted Guns 'Best Band'. It means nothing, nihil, because you would have automatically voted 'Guns' if they had a terrible year also!! It is Sheep thinking like that, the reduction of fandom to Stepford Wive levels of absolute mindlessness and stupidity, that I cannot fathom here.

Ultimately, these polls mean nothing but at least broaden your musical instincts a bit and think outside the box. Give yourself a chance here.

Thanks.  :-*
Amazing how much time the people who don't agree with me spend on trying to insult me....



/jarmo

My posts have often been deleted here that's why I rarely use this forum as a medium for discussion. I still look at the forum the odd time because if there's a rumour going around and it's not deleted by you then it's probably true. On this particular instince I decided to say something.
This is no personal attack, we've met in person many times and we've never had a problem.

It isn't? Uh...   :confused:

Duh, one is in GNR and the other was formerly in GNR.
Why isn't  it alright to admire both, for different reasons?

I understand the poll/vote is to choose a favorite- BUT the idiocy going on here on a more or less daily basis is that people seem convinced it is a sin to appreciate more than one lineup. Why not appreciate them all? I have liked aspects of every single one since 1988.

Oh fuck you, and your endless whining and utter horseshit, seriously.

Nobody has given up "aspects of their personality".

You are such a grandstanding drama queen. :hihi:

Some of us would even like to see him contribute something to a GNR album one day.

To dream the impossible dream.

Do you ever get the feeling that the only reason some people post here is because if they said the same thing on mygnr their comment would not stand out? If they made the same comment there it would hardly be noticeable because it would go with the grain but here it gets a lot of attention. Ultimately company is company and I wouldn't wish banishment on anyone but some of the antics that go on around here are really puzzling.

I often see people complain about or insult Jarmo and his way of doing things yet they feel obligated to post on Jarmo's website. How does this make any sense? It's like sticking around in some guys house and constantly saying things you know are going to piss him off, then getting upset when he talks back to you or tells you that he will not stand for such a thing being said in his home. He is a pretty nice host, all things considered.

If you still have interest in what the band does, you come here.

If you want to talk about Axl's hair, or weigh in on "Axlites" vs. "$la$h", you go to MYGNR.

Here, we still talk about a new album like it might actually happen.  That's a laugh line at MYGNR.

"Here, we still talk about a new album like it might actually happen.  That's a laugh line at MYGNR."-DX

The whole reason we can do that here is because Jarmo does not allow GNR defaming to go unchecked. Yet when he tries to keep it in check it is always a problem for someone. I feel it should be obvious to such people how Jarmo likes to run his site by now.

If you've been to MYGNR, you know what real defaming is.  Nothing remotely like that goes on here.

Well DX, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. If you don't know where I'm coming from at all than I guess you never will, but I'm OK with that.  :)

It seems you are coming from a position that we should all check our objectivity at the door, and the only things that should be said is how super terrific awesome everything is.

Are you under the impression that everyone that posts here thinks that way?

I think quite the opposite.  That mindset is pretty much why you can empty a gun around here and not hit anybody.  The vast, vast majority of people find that to be a joke, which is why there are so few of us here on the regular.

Those of us that come here, we are doing so because of our love of the band.  Not because we find Jarmo's worldview particularly appealing or righteous.  We come here quite despite of that, not because of it.

His way of doing things is what makes this place what it is. He is the sole reason this place is different from mygnr, is he not? What is it that Jarmo does that keeps this place different in a good way, and how is that separate from what he does that people are always complaining about? To me they seem to be one and the same thing, or at least two sides of the same coin.

Sifting out stuff like Axl's hair, Axl's weight, Axl versus Slash, tired reunion questions...that's the appeal of this place.

Being told you are a fake fan, that you only say something positive as clever cover to say something else negative, that you are an entitled asshole that's got some god damn balls for asking a simple question...that is why so few come here.  I don't find that talk productive, but I can at least roll with it.  Most people cannot.

I still contend we'd have a lot fewer detours and general thread hijackings if we knocked that talk off.  And its sure not any of us that start down that road. 

Well people can blame it on him but they know what gets him going at this point. It's like knowing the stove is going to burn you if you touch it, doing it anyway, and then bitching about it. "I love this place, but I hate that damn stove!". Stay away from the stove then. If it was that much of a problem, if most people here really disliked Jarmo's way of doing things, then they could easily open another GNR forum that sifted through all the tired subjects and "the vast, vast majority" would flock to that forum instead.

What gets *him* going?

You've been here at night, as I have.  Are there ever any problems at night?  Nope.  Why is that?

But come the next morning, you can bet that the prior night's conversation (which again, hummed along without a hint of a problem) will be quoted and chopped up as people are taken to task for some fan loyalty infraction or another.  And we spend much of the morning, not continuing the conversation about the band we were having just 12 hours prior...but debating who is a good fan or not.

Right or wrong?

 :hihi:

And every time you've been away things have been productive and everything's been swell!
Why's that?




/jarmo

Presumably because you don't have to police all my posts and derail every single conversation with your haughty objections. 

I don't know.  I'm just spitballin' here.

Nothing would "derail" if you were just a little more positive! :D



/jarmo

I think it's like Jarmo said before, he doesn't want to have a website he would feel embarrassed about. Asking Jarmo not to stick up for his friends and just let people put them down consistently and publicly in his own house is really asking for a lot.

Now you may be thinking "Well I get that, but I don't get the other fans that act like their best friend is getting picked on in the playground". But if you got that, it should come as no surprise to you when Jarmo responds the way he does. There are so many places out there to go because one loves the band and wishes to talk about them. This is the only one where you have to put up with Jarmo. There's no escaping him here on htgth. It's his site. I would imagine he is not going to change. Also, he seems to keep you guys around for a reason as he could remove you from the picture with the greatest of ease if that is what he wanted to do, so maybe he likes you a little more than he lets on or something, idk. Maybe he's waiting for the new album to come out so he can ban you the day before its release as a way to get back at you.  ;)

Actually, there aren't.  Most forums you have to wade through reunion stuff and the other crap I mentioned earlier.  Here, you don't.

I don't have a problem with Jarmo.  I've said more times than I can count that he's both fair to me and carrying around a rep at the other sites I think is overdone, based on what I've seen in my time here.

Oh sure, now you say that after I point that possibility out  ;). Just kidding, you and Jarmo will probably be arguing with one another for at least another ten years.

BTW DJ fans, your guy is slowly losing numbers! Get on there and vote, you get one vote an hour  :beer:

If I hated Jarmo, would I really be here everyday?

Although that banning us all right before the album drops...that's good.  That's some 'Godfather' type shit there.

DX is dead.  So's sofine11, mortismurphy, and JAEBALL.  Today we settled all forum business.

Yeah, keep voting!  : ok:



/jarmo

The thing is, you (in the plural sense, i.e. Jarmo and supporters) obviously construe debates in a far more negative light than I do; I usually find a situation in which, two views are being thrashed out, a rather interesting agenda. I never see it negative even if I disagree with every word in it. I find it very interesting when applied, to high politics, just as much as a low brow rock group. I can only speak for myself but I am always aware that it is just about a 'rock band' and always employ humour, and see the scenario in a sort of, comedic light (rather than any sort of 'malice') - yes, even when I am ridiculing Jarmo. Yet the people here seem to have, some great fear of them, as if they are unhinging the forum, an aberration against the natural order of things that Jarmo has established.

Just how much lacking in confidence about Guns N' Roses must you be, to think that two argumentative by good humoured chaps such as myself and DGX can pose such a threat to the forum?

I have had all sorts of rubbish in my inbox telling me to effectively 'go away', I have been 'warned', I have had people saying I am 'mental', I have been told to 'fuck off' (surely contravening http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=14144.0 but I now realise that there are two codes of conduct here, one for supporters and one for everyone else), for what is, simply, a bunch of disagreements on a forum about a rather ridiculous rock band.

It is sort of ironic that the most blatant negativity (in my view) actually comes from the advocates of 'positivity'. I have never seen any of the so called 'whiners' tell people to 'fuck off'. I am guessing (but I of course cannot be certain) they do not send mindless drivel via inboxes either. Posing this point: Just who is being negative and who is being positive here?

I do not see how these debates offer such a threat to this forum considering GN'R are completely inactive these days. Presumably if me or Generation stopped posting, the forum would simply revert to its default position of, ''Happy Birthday Richard Fortus'' threads, and ''keep on mindlessly voting'' in silly poll encouragements. Do the people here honestly find these type of posts, interesting? I suppose they do fit your criteria of, 'positivity' so they must please you.

This from the person who made nazi references aimed at me. Among other things.
Just saying....



/jarmo

I did the, 'ze' cliche, a quip usually reserved for heavy handed dictatorial behaviour. It was not my most original pun, granted, but it was fairly innocuous stuff really. Have you ever seen that Fawlty Towers episode, or, 'Allo 'Allo!, Jarmo?

I am not as negative as the aformentioned lol

Of course I have. But those excuses won't save you. Your insult was lame.
Nobody needs to be told to fuck off, but you of all people shouldn't be shocked when you turn up on a fan site for band you don't like all that much.




/jarmo

There are no grey areas. 'You are either, for, or, against'. One slight criticism about an Axl vocal slip, one query about 'why the new album is over due?', and you are immediately considered a 'whiner with entitlement issues, dreaming about reunion' haha. It is insane - this place.


You keep repeating that and I keep having to reiterate the same point. For the last time, I am a Guns N' Roses fan. I merely feel they have taken the wrong direction, since, around 2011. I look forward to the Buckethead-Finck tracks no less than I did, in 2001, for example!

I do think this is important.. when you say Im a GNR fan especially as it relates to this poll with DJ... I don't hate him or love him based on his contributions to GNR.... ANY GUITAR PLAYER could have come in and play the songs proficiently and certain people would adore him for the fact that Axl seems to think so highly of him.... I have nothing to go on with him... he has never been on one GNR track... When he does... then maybe then i'd consider voting for him in a poll that includes monsters like Slash (who helped create the guitar parts for 90 percent of all the songs you guys all love), Angus Young and Zack Wylde.

Yes I agree.

It's very apparent that you don't agree with anything past that magical date.


/jarmo

If the next moves are forward thinking (new album, a different stage show for the first time in 10 years) the running in place redundancy of the past few years will be forgotten.

I'm just glad I made it out alive in this scenario!  :hihi:

If you're a Six AM fan, and like their new album, then there's nothing wrong with voting for DJ.  It's tough to vote for him based on his contributions to Guns, which is really just playing riffs that other people created.  Now, if they turn BOD (which I really like) into a song, that's a different story. 

Yeah, you should have been killed in that montage too.

Shit...that's what I thought.

Please explain this part. I want more details about the stage show that's been the same for ten years.

Once again, if you think you can blurt out any kind of nonsense without me noticing, you're wrong. So, please, some evidence that the stage show was the same in 2006 was it was in 2010. For example.




/jarmo

Sure thing, buddy.

You can pretty much do the setlist off the top of your head.

I'm sure you will get DEEP into the semantics and point out a different song here or there.  I'd expect nothing less. 

But, on balance, here has been your show for the past 10 years :

Chinese Democracy
Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Sorry / Estranged
Better
Rocket Queen
Live And Let Die
This I Love
Street Of Dreams / Catcher In The Rye
You Could Be Mine
Sweet Child O' Mine
November Rain
Don't Cry
The Seeker / Don't Let It Bring You Down
Civil War
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Nightrain

Madagascar
Whole Lotta Rosie / The Seeker
Patience
Paradise City

Like I said earlier, I'm sure you'll get hard to work "proving" how different it all was because they played 'Prostitute' that time.  Or when YCBM was the opener that one night.  Or one of the few times 'There Was A Time' made the cut.  You get to work on all that.

But, on balance, that has been the show for several legs of this neverending tour.  And you can do it off the top of your head, just about perfectly in order.

Those song by song updates you do?  You do realize that we could pretty much do them all with you at the same time, right?

Please don't use the term "stage show" to whine about the actual setlist. It's confusing.
Thanks.

Regarding the rest of your post:  ::)


/jarmo

Good save.



That make you feel better?

setlist.fm is a thing, Jarmo.  Its all right there in black and white.

You should be happy they managed to play all those shows, considering you're there to remind people of their reputation of canceling shows! 
I'm sure you can see the irony in you telling people that and then wishing there would be more bootlegs of the Las Vegas shows. :D

Funny how things go sometimes....




Wonder where they get those setlists from?



/jarmo

Hey, I'm just glad we were able to get over that whole "stage show" vs. "set list" situation.  That was really, really confusing.



Oh, someone just makes them up to make Axl look bad.  We discuss it in the meetings.

Like i said:  ::)
Once again, for a person who didn't attend any shows since 2011. You saved some money! Be happy!

And you always have Youtube for your concert reviews.  : ok:




You can't even answer a simple question.

---

Still time to vote for Dj.

Just remember, the ones telling you not to vote for Dj have some sort of reasons. They don't wanna vote for a GN'R member because they prefer another band's guitarist, they haven't liked GN'R in years or whatever. But this is a GN'R fan site, voting for GN'R, or a GN'R member in this case, isn't weird at all!

So for all the supportive fans out there, go vote for Dj! A vote for Dj is a vote for GN'R!

I'm sure all the supportive fans who tell otherwise would agree with that. Even though once they have a chance to show their support, it's nowhere to be seen because it's "pointless"... One click is too much to ask.




/jarmo

This, from the guy that puffed out his chest and now runs from the conversation like a scalded dog once he saw no hope.

Look, I get it.  You have no counterargument.  The same as it ever was setlist is what it is.  You can't dispute it.  So in the past 3 posts you have tried something, ANYTHING else :

- feigned confusion over stage show vs. setlist
- what I said about canceled shows...A YEAR AGO
- whether I wanted Las Vegas bootlegs
- money I saved

Basically, ANYTHING that avoids having to talk about the setlist conversation, which is a loser for you.

But you know what?  I'll bite on the setlist.fm thing.  Please, oh please tell me what I missing.  Don't keep me in suspense.  What's the point I'm missing on that part of all this?  You've brought it up and then referenced it again.  You obviously have something you want to tell me very badly.

Let's have it.

You said "STAGE SHOW". How am I supposed to know you were gonna whine about the setlists for shows you didn't attend for the umpteenth time? I have very little interest in that discussion because honestly, I don't give a fuck about what you like or dislike about those setlists.

I'm just reminding you of all the complaining you do and how you like to be negative, then that turns out not working in your favor. I find it ironic. That's all. :D

Seriously, not every fucking thread has to be about how you don't agree with Axl's way of promoting Chinese Democracy, the setlists of shows you didn't attend or whether or not he should've made your day by attending the RNRHOF. Simple.



I asked you where do you think they get their setlists?

I don't know if you're aware that many of those setlists were posted here. Are you aware that some of the shows you claim you could have posted updates along with me only had myself keeping track of what was played?

So why are you bringing up that site in the first place? Is it just your way of trying to seem smart? Like you found some secret site nobody else knows about and want to lecture us uninformed?

By the way, you're welcome! :)




/jarmo

...or, you saw that conversation was doomed, so you pivot to all this supposed confusion over the two terms.  Because that is what is important here.

Its DEFINITELY one of those two things at work here.  No question.



Yeah, thanks for all that. 

Illuminating stuff.  Game changer.

No, I saw the phrase stage show and I assumed whoever used that knows that it can be interpreted in the production sense.
Unfortunately, the person doesn't realize the fact that he could've been more specific in his whining. :D





It takes a special kind of person to go on a site that's provided hundreds of updates during shows/tours and point out that another site with setlists exist, and try to discredit the actual updates as nothing.




/jarmo

It's all so confusing.



Remember that persecution complex conversation were we having in the other folder?  Let's just move this post right on over there.  Jesus Christ.

I was not trying to discredit all the updates you do.  Calm down.  I simply said that the show is so predictable, we could pretty much do them along with you, because there is that little variety.  Both in terms of songs played and their order. 

To be honest, I can't say I'm not disappointed in this part of this.  A big part of me thought you were going to come with some sort of talk that the setlist.fm site was not legit, or was being manipulated, or other such tin foil hat talk.  You got my hopes up.

Its a bit of a disappointment to see that you were simply smarting from what you saw as a perceived slight that didn't really happen.

Complex? No Just see a smart ass who goes around in the topics.
Even one about voting for Dj Ashba for Guitarist of the year has to be about the setlist.

I would suggest you make Dead Horse your new home. But then again, you don't get the attention you crave there because most of us are bored of your interesting topics.....




/jarmo

Hey, you started us down this road this morning, champ.  Check the logs.

You can't ask for a discussion on a topic, then once it goes horribly, chide the other guy for answering your question in the first place.  Doesn't work like that.

You want to move all this, then move it.  I probably would, in your spot, based on how it went.

Here you go Mr "I didn't bring up the setlist":


That's your post by the way.

Apology accepted!





/jarmo

It is.

And then you got all muscled up and dared me to clarify.  Shit, DEMANDED, I clarify.  Because you were not going to stand for it and were going to set me straight.

I did as you asked, and it blew up on you.  If you don't go getting a case of the chest puffs, the last 2 pages never happen.

Any lawyer will tell you to never ask a question you don't already have the answer to.

Blew up on me? :D
Yeah, congratulations on that. Good job!

The fact that most of us have zero interest to discuss setlists with you should tell you how interesting your discussions really are at this point.

I'm sure those lawyers would also tell you that you can't sell Coke as Pepsi and excuse yourself with "that's what I meant". Stage show <-> setlist.  :)





/jarmo

Edited for adding new content: For those that care, keep those votes comin'! DJ is now at 13.81 which puts him in third. He is far from the lowest in the poll. The guy from Linkin Park is catching up to him. Zakk Wylde and Slash are just about tied for first at around 26% a piece. If I'm not mistaken, it takes (or at least did when I was trying to figure it out) about a hundred votes to change one full percent. Not sure, but I'm guessing that changes as the total number of votes increases.

Keep those votes coming.  :beer:



/jarmo

Good Poll, Slash, Zakk & Ashba Work In GNR.. Top 3 Now

 : ok:

Can we really claim Zakk as having worked in GnR?  I thought he came in to jam in the mid-90's but nothing came of it.

I don't know what HBK's first language is. But you can't take his/her posts so literally, because some things get lost in the translation. He/she tries tho, that's for sure.

But yes obviously Zakk Wylde has nothing more than a mild connection with GNR.

Yeah, only hardcore fans would know he jammed with GN'R in the 1990s.

But he did open for GN'R in 2011 and appeared onstage with the band.




/jarmo

I think you just called me a hardcore fan!   : ok:

It's a nicer way of saying Internet geeks. ;)



/jarmo

I'll even take that as a compliment...

Don't worry. I'm including myself in that category.



/jarmo

We all are.

We have thousands of posts on a message board.  Some of us, several.

Lol include me here as well

I am on vacation checking in.

Best looking internet geek I am though

Hahahaha.  I've done that too.

I've posted at other boards where everyone knows everybody, only to have people say "dude, aren't you at the beach right now?"

I have been made fun of multiple times for checking the board from my phone while out at dinner, a movie or wherever haha. It's ok.

The worst is getting drawn into some debate.

Then you look at your watch, and realize you've been at it for close to an hour.

I HAVE NO WILLPOWER

Im posting this from Thailand ;)

I am flying there in 2 months.    I will be bad there as well lol

Cool!, im here one month more staying in Pattaya. Lots of killer rock coverbands here.

I wonder where most of the DJ votes are coming from? Or more precisely, I wonder what percentage of them are coming from HTGTH? Anyway, the results seem to be not moving around all that much, I  wonder if there are not that many people voting anymore?

I dont want to sound bad. 

But i am not a fan of dj. 

But thats only personl.    Totally persoanl

I think he brings a lot of talent.   He brings a huge fan base in.  From what people say he can write    All that is good

Personally i dont like the guy.  Yes i have met him 

Anyways.   I want dj in gnr.   Its not about me.   Gnr is only better with dj in the band

I am a boind faith supporter at times of the band and when it comes to votes.   I will vote for anyone that is in gnr regardless

I just wish he has a bucket on his head

Keep voting!




/jarmo

Zack Wylde beat out Slash by less than a point...DJ finished a respectable third place.

Myles Kennedy and Todd Kearns won for singer and bass respectively.

Clearly there are a lot of Alter Bridge and Conspirator fans out there...ha

Now I believe even...less?

Top Five... Excelent.

 : ok: