Here Today... Gone To Hell!

June 7th, 2014 Las Vegas, NV @ The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino


Jarmo | HTGTH.com ‏@htgth
Andrew Dice Clay on stage

Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Estranged
     A song about togetherness, or the lack thereof.
There Was A Time
Better
Rocket Queen
Fortus solo/Live and Let Die
This I Love
Tommy solo/Holidays in the Sun
Band intros, Dizzy solo/Catcher in the Rye
You Could Be Mine
Dj solo (Bella vita)/Sweet Child O' Mine
Jam (Babe I'm Gonna Leave You/While My Guitar Gently Weeps)/Layla/November Rain
Bumblefoot solo/Abnormal
     Dedicated to the GNR crew
Don't Cry
Yesterdays
     After the song Axl and Tommy discuss who fucked up
Used To Love Her
Civil War
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Jam/Nightrain

Encore:
Jam (You Can't Always Get What You Want - Tommy)/Patience
The Seeker
Jam/Paradise City
     Paradise City is restarted


Guns N' Roses
Last show - Party Room.... Connection?
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What time have they usually been taking the stage?

Hasn't been consistent.  Depends if there is an opening band.  Depends if it weekend show.  Depends on other events in the Joint.  Best bet is if Jarmo responds on here.

Doors: 9pm
Unlocking the Truth: 10pm
GN'R: around/after 11:30pm

Last night's show started after midnight.




/jarmo

And there you have it....lol.  Won't get any better than that.

Jealous of everyone attending tonight.  Enjoy it people!  I was very happy with the shows I attended, and getting to see Duff was a big bonus, but the last two nights have been building up for a grande finale tonight if you ask me!

Wish I was there....

Going to be such a great night! This will be my 5th show for this residency. Very much hoping to hear Yesterdays, Prostitute and TWAT. All of the shows I've been to this run have been excellent. Let's do this!

Opening band finished

Guns N' Roses ‏@gunsnroses
Just a 140 char or less note of thanks to @unlockthetruth3 for killing it @thejointlv #gnrnotrickery pic.twitter.com/U97ngh0sLh
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Guns N' Roses
Mr Nicolas Cage and Mr Andrew Dice Clay
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Andrew Dice Clay on stage

Del James
Andrew Dice Clay doing his thing before GN'R!
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Chinese

Jungle

It's so easy

Brownstone

A song about togetherness, or the lack thereof.

Estranged

Here Today... Gone To Hell!
Brownstone - last show in Vegas ‪#‎gnrnotrickery‬
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There was a time

Better

Rocket

Guns N' Roses ‏@gunsnroses
There Was A Time #gnrnotrickery pic.twitter.com/D2EkhKvQyj
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Fortus solo/live and let die

This I love

Holidays in the sun

Band intros, dizzy solo/catcher

You could be mine

Dj solo (Bella vita)/sweet child

Del James
Someone is sitting here on the stairs cause he'd rather be alone  :)
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Jam (babe im gonna leave you/while my guitar gently weeps)/layla/November rain

Del James
Layla
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15 sec video clip

Guns N' Roses
Sweet Child O' Mine ‪#‎gnrnotrickery‬
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Guns N' Roses
Layla to November Rain
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Abnormal

Dedicated to the GNR crew

Here Today... Gone To Hell!
November rain ‪#‎gnrnotrickery‬
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Don't cry

Yesterdays

After the song Axl and tommy discuss who fucked up

Used to love her

Civil war

Guns N' Roses
Don't you cry tonight @axlrose @djashba
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Heavens door

Last show of the tour.
Enjoy!

Jam/nightrain

Encore: jam (you can't always get what you want - tommy)/patience 

Only a snippet of You Can't Always Get tonight?

Guns N' Roses ‏@gunsnroses  2m
.@bumblefoot @richardfortus and @tommy_stinson with a glass of wine in his hand #getWhatYouWant #GNRNoTrickery pic.twitter.com/5GebHSBvmG
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Seeker

Jam/paradise city

Jarmo, hope you all had fun for all of us in Israel too.
Thanks for sharing the pics and the Set list live on every show.
God bless you all and see you soon again : ok:

Axl thanks everyone for coming out and says it's been a blast

Maybe we'll see you somewhere later this year...


Paradise city is restarted

Jarmo, a big thanks for all the updates ;-)

Thank you Jarmo for the updates and pics!! :beer:

big thanks, jarmo!

THANKS FOR UPDATES N' PICS JARMO!!!  :headbanger:   :beer:

Guns N' Roses
Last bow in Vegas!
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Del James
Another residency down! Thank you all!
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Has Ron left the band?  ??? At MyGnRForum they are saying Ron said it was his last show? Is it true??  :(

Rick Dunsford ‏@rickdunsford
Well bumblefoot just shook my hand and told me last show :( very sad about this. Best guitarist @gunsnroses had #gnrnotrickery

Just a killer weekend...thanks to Axl and the boys! It really sucks if it was Ron's last show!

Didn't ron dedicate abnormal to the gnr crew?

I don't remember him ever doing that before.....

Sounds like maybe a good bye

Sounds like the last 4 shows starting with duff were some of the best shows over the past 4 years

If he quits. We all hope he dosent. We can say he ended his time with Gnr in a high.

Why would he quit Guns N' Roses?
Who does that?

A bunch of people did that. Izzy, Slash, Duff, Bucket, Fink, Brain, Freese. So the list can go on

People who feel frustrated by how dysfunctional the band is and disillusioned by not having any power to change things despite making numerous efforts at improving band/fan interaction, spicing up setlists, writing new songs for the next record, etc?

Was it not everyone's "last show"?  Until someone says "I'm/he's leaving gnr"....I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

Axl gave people notice that after the residency there were no immediate plans....allowing people to plan their own shit and everyone jumped to the conclusion they were retiring.

It was the last show of the Vegas Residency. Not the very last show.

Despite Bumblefoot's clear frustrations with the band, his countdown tweet, his refusal to say he won't be leaving on direct requests (usually he would dismiss such a rumour immediately unless), admin at mygnrforum claiming he wants to leave, and many more implied actions, he could very well be staying. Perhaps he is just powerplaying with Axl/TB to get a pay raise or change something in regards to his conditions in the band or how the band is run, but we all know trying to force Axl's hand very rarely succeeds (the only exception I can think of was in Germany in 1991 when the venue forced Axl to finish a gig).

I hope he stays. But since the begining of this tour and before Ron has been complaning about differents things in interviews, chats and twitter. Once in his twitter he said "67 days and counting" When he said that there were 67 days left until this last show.

And there were weird things about Tommy as well. Why didn?t he play Golden Gods? There was a rumor he had a broken rib. However no details on the matter. Why he took a day off when Duff joined GN?R in Vegas?

Given Bumble's clear love of the fans i suspect it could well be it or not who knows but it would be a big loss to the band thats for sure.

Me too. He is the best guitarist in the current line-up.

Both Ron and Tommy looked to be enjoying themselves to me.  In fact I have never seen the whole band having such a good time together on stage.  I think this residency was the peak for this incarnation of GNR this far....here's hoping it continues on.

Axl did say "see you later this year" last night!

Yes, he did. I heard that.

Ali

Another epic 3 hour show! This time they did TWAT correctly with the musical intro.
Axl told funny story how he forgot to blow and throw whistle on during Paradise  Friday night because he was distracted by dancers' ass ("I am only human")

So they started Paradise, he throws the whistle but fucks up the song so they restart from beginning with new whistle.

At end Axl said they hope to do another residency some time and said "maybe later in the year we will see some of you " which implies a limited US tour later in '14.

I for one got absolutely no sense that Ron was saying goodbye.  He was just saying thanks to those who are not usually thanked publicly

Thats great to hear. I doubt that Ron is leaving the band.

Friday night ass distraction. Another tough day in the life of Axl   ;D

Nic Cage took the final bow and was seen with the band on more than one ocadion....I hear he's taking over for "insert band name here"....it's all but a done deal!

 :rofl:

Yep.  He's gone. 

It was inevitable given his work ethic vs. Axl's.  The fact he lasted 8 years, frankly, is a plus. 

He helped us out.  I wish him nothing but the best.

Bye RON,,, Welcome Nicolas

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thanks, funny updates

 :beer:

Bumblefoot via twitter:

"Last #NoTrickery @gunsnroses Vegas show tonight - THANK YOU @HardRockHotelLV for your hospitality, always a pleasure! :) See y'all soon!"

https://twitter.com/bumblefoot/status/475469899394215936

I have a question.

Did they meet all together to write music as it was heard before these shows?

Nothing about leaving GNR, so that's good. Everybody wants to quit their job at some point, it's natural .....

Ron dedicated "Abnormal" to his mother last month, who was in the audience.  I don't know of other dedications, but dedicating to the crew is just something nice to do, because they take good care of him and GN'R. 

A few crew members surprise Ron in 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y43NX3uJZms&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y43NX3uJZms&feature=youtu.be)

Thanks to you and everyone else for all the updates this time around!!  A few mornings the sun was starting to come up and I was still awake!  Just watched the video of Tommy singing part of this song...so damn coool!

It's been an absolutely incredible, unbelievable three weeks. Grateful for everything and everyone involved. The only negative aspect is its over. Hopefully not for very long. Until next time my friends...

My sentiments exactly. I was there for the shows 4,5 & 6 and it was a magical experience. Thanks GN'R & all that organised #No Trickery

The clips from the end of this residency were pretty great.  Good setlists and Axl sounded very good.

Part of me feels sort of bad for the people that saw the first few shows of this latest round of touring in March, but you can always say that with this band.  He's not ready to go at tour's beginning, never is, but once he gets his legs under him, he can still deliver. 

'There Was A Time' and 'Prostitute' are my 2 favorites on the album.  Both incredibly hard to sing live.  But he nailed them.

You don't see how him thanking the crew (which he has never done before, I don't think) can be viewed as a good bye/thank you?

especially when his departure is being heavily rumored

Id be upset if I missed those songs at the beginning! but we are in the minority , 95 percent of the people at the show don't care if Prostitute is played or not

As I said in those threads at the time, I had a bigger issue with Axl not being ready vocally, as usual.  Setlist variety is great, but that's secondary to being able to deliver on the songs you do play that night.

You can argue there should be setlist variety.  You cannot argue that its acceptable to show up at the beginning of the tour totally unprepared.  Paying customers have no guarantee of setlist variety.  They should have a guarantee that the artist will deliver a top quality performance.

Well by all accounts Axl does not rehearse before the tours begin...

I dont know if he would sound better or differently early on in the tour if he did.... only he could answer that I guess, you would assume

It sucksd that its over for now, and for god knows how long, being that he was really firing on all cylinders lately

And that's not right.  I know we have a handful of rationalizations why that's acceptable, but they are just that, fan rationalizations.

"He's always done that, where have you been?" is a poor reason in my view.

Especially, when you see how great he sounded over the past week.  Everyone should get that caliber of show.

Just to throw this out there, you might want to also take into consideration that early in the tour, they were playing different locations , different conditions any giving night, whereas , in Vegas it was a much more controlled, sound , temp, etc, which inherently will help all around the quality of all the performers. Huge difference playing 2 miles up and playing in the joint.

True, but its not like this phenomenon was unique to this 2014 tour though.

Not at all, but I was at both Residencies and you def can tell, that playing in optimum conditions works great. That being said, overall, I am pretty sure they can call this a very successful run.And here's to hoping Axl is serious about taking  a look at all this recorded material and taking steps to bring that to the light of day.

I think things look as positive in the GNRverse as they have been in some time.  Axl sounding good and actually talking about moving forward.

Sure, we got this whole...whatever the hell this is going on with Ron, but who knows what really up there?

it really seems to me like a contract negotiation or something like that, like to get some kind of commitment or idea of what the future plan is

I don't think he really wants to "quit" GNR , especially when there is probably no real plan for anything any time soon anyway.... so why burn bridges...

but i do think if management tried to have him reschedule or cancel something again thats coming up for him... he will tell them to have a nice day

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maybe shes saying 100 percent false, that GNR will be the same without him  :)

he has very clearly been ignoring the question, while others claim he has stated he is leaving

usually when theres smoke theres fire

maybe he thinks it would be foolish to announce it while promoting his solo tour

He has been burning bridges for a long time. Many public complaints and innuendo. Just look at his new interview. He is still talking about that show in Phily in 2012.

Yeah he clearly was pissed about that night and probably still is , but if he really couldn't or didn't want to play... he shouldn't have

He could quash these rumors in 2 seconds if he wanted to.  So obviously, something is up.

But, if you wanted to look for a positive, he could also confirm his departure in 2 seconds and has not.

It appears BBF lives a life where he is in pain all the time. So he will have his ups and downs, and he is probably far too open for his own good with how he feels at a given time during the day. He probably lives a life where he goes from feeling suicidal to being grateful for where he is with his career right now. And he is probably back for forth 30 times a day.

But hey, if people want to promote their forums with this, then yay; go sports!

The internet has reached a point above and beyond my sense of decency. I just go with the flow now. I read it, I am not sure if it is entertainment, but Hey Joe.

True GN'R fans love BBF, he has been open and fun since day one, and I hope he stays with GN'R because he is GN'R now.

True words. The internet is a weird place!

Little heavy handed here, no?  I mean...its a rock band.  Its not Watergate.

Regardless of how the story got out, assuming its legit, he can't be blind to the fact it's out there.  I'm not sure what to make of his indecision, as I said.  I think you could argue it both ways.

A fan reports a private conversation, beit medically based, on a public funded forum, and then they go and promote it as near news. Even Madison would not touch this.

Further to that, even eclectic MSL is not going near it on his forum.

It represents an all time low for some other forums.

There is so much to behold now, rasp is back for those that like it, Duff has returned again. CD II is almost there. What else does one need in life really.

Still working on a way to work himself into the story, I imagine.  Does he "report" on stuff he has no hand in?


I think this is the most promising it has looked in GNRland in I can't even remember how long.  2006?

But how do we not talk about this?  I guess you could get wrapped up in the indignity of it all, but it's out there.  And yet another personnel change is not what we need right now.  I think its natural that folks are curious.

The reality is that Ron started all this with his countdown tweet.  Right or wrong?

I could see how people could think that but that is not what I believe.  Some of the crew have "Abnormal" tattoos.  When Ron started his "countdown" I assumed it was because he was excited and it had something to do with finishing his first new record in six years.  I can also understand how not answering a question can sometimes be an answer.  Hope he sticks around..

So now we have speculation that Ron is "re-negotiating his contract", for lack of a better term.

Yet when it has been suggested this not a traditional band, people get all upset.  They also get worked up when analogies are made to this being run more like a sports team than a band, in terms of the contracts and free agent like process to fill slots.

Don't you think this is what people mean, stuff like this?

You?re forgeting something very important. Ron is answering questions. Maybe he shouldn?t. You?re blaming a fan for talking but Ron has to keep his mouth shut in the first place or make sure that the fan knows the information is private and secret. We don?t know if Ron told that fan to shut up about it.

Also I know if a fan makes a similar comment here it gets deleted. Fine that?s the policy here. But other forums have other policy. And they have the right to do so. They already have plenty of fans. They don?t need to get people from elsewhere.

People might get annoyed by people like yourself thinking this is something specific to the current line up, or anything post 1996. Which is just another case of rewriting history.

Do you honestly think that since the Appetite line up ceased to exist that contracts weren't signed? You think Matt Sorum or Gilby Clarke were full partners in the GN'R partnership?

The problem is that some of you fans label the current band as a bunch "hired" musicians and not a "real band" while conveniently forgetting to remember the possibility of the Use Your Illusion line up operating in exactly the same way.... Yet you had no issues with it back then, or even today.


So in the future, if you're gonna point things like this out as something "bad", don't forget to include a little note saying that you're aware of the fact that it also was something that happened in the past, in order to not "upset" your fellow fans. Thank you.  : ok:


On another note, I find it sad that all these negative "news" are what's being focused on. As usual, negativity is interesting. After a successful run through South America and now USA/Las Vegas. The band played their asses off and Axl sounded amazing. Remember the "Axl is retiring" bullshit? Conveniently came out around the time he was getting praise for his vocal range....

And now this.

It's a shame.



/jarmo

You're premise that this is not new to GNR is very accurate. Matt and Gilby certainly were hired musicians/fill ins as all of the players are today.

BUT every single poster here as praised Axl and the performances of late.... nobody is harping on negative things

if the lead guitar player is talking about leaving the band... we shouldn't discuss or analyze why he might be doing it? we should gloss over it and just praise the run that finished up? and if he is gone... should we be happy about it? is it just rumor at this point? yes, but isn't that the point of a place like this? to discuss the possible goings and comings of the band

again, nobody is being negative , you are too defensive sometimes

If you want to discuss it, you can do so in a new topic.

It's the same thing with many of the things some of you want to discuss to death. They don't need to be brought up in every topic about shows you're not attending.... :)



/jarmo

Not all of us get to fly around the world with their favorite rock band

I go when I can but if I'm not at every show. So
 I can't have an opinion ?

That's horse shit

The topic of the thread is "June 7th, 2014"....a "Is Ron leaving" topic might be more appropriate.....just leave it at that :beer:

Your reading comprehension seems a bit lacking. Which has nothing to do with the number of shows people attend.
See the post above this for clarification on the matter. Cheers!




/jarmo

oh for fuck sake dude ... READ WHAT HE SAID.
He didn't say you couldn't discuss it.  He said to stop ruining every thread and just start ONE new one about it.

I'll say this having been at the last three Vegas shows.  Seeing an entire show (in person) vs. watching 50% of the songs being performed in YouTube videos are two very, very different experiences.

So, yes, you can have an opinion. Of course.  But, the person at the show will always have a more informed opinion having seen the entire show from start to finish, IMO.

Ali

Jesus... I'm not the one who hijacked this thread with complaints about the show, the quality on youtube, on ANYTHING

there have been NO COMPLAINTS about any of those things

as usual one person posed a question about Ron...granted probably in the wrong thread and then the big bad boss came in kicking and screaming that all we do is be negative, when NOBODY was being negative

I have had it with this place

enjoy ur setlists and ur happy birthday messages

I can get my GNR news elsewhere ... try to discuss the comings and going with the band, and you get reamed for it

another one bites the dust!

This strained reach of analogy has already been discussed and discredited.  Since I know you aren't fond of rehashing, I won't do so here.



There is talk all over these threads about how good Axl is sounding lately, how welcome the setlist variety is, and how encouraging that interview was where Axl talks about moving forward.

This is all very easily provable and would not take you more than 30 seconds to confirm.

But its not going to change the fact that you could not say the same about the South American tour.  He didn't sound good, there was no similar setlist variety, and there wasn't anything about moving forward.  We have such things now, so we can talk about them now.  They are all great, and we are all way onboard. 

But we can't retroactively pretend they applied to what was going on in March, for the simple fact they were not.  Breaks of the game there.

Bye

from the GNR facebook

Guns N' Roses
Rock N' Roll Weekend = Understatement.
Thank you to all the staff and team at Hard Rock Hotel and Casino Las Vegas and The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel & Casino for making it feel like home. A special thanks to Monster Energy and a monstrous note of thanks to the band, crew and all of YOU the fans who both made it to sin city and got to experience it through the photos and press.
until we destruct again.... so long!

Axl Rose warming up with Layla on the Vegas decorated Baldwin
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God I hope that piano is going into storage for a next time!  I love GNR Vegas residencies!  Love, Love, LOVE them!

Another thing to point out is whether someone's judgement is sound or not and how that affects their opinions of shows.  I'd imagine if one was very drunk and/or flying high, they might think a show was amazing (or not if they're on a downer?), whereas if someone had a real shitty day or didn't get to hear their favorite song they might think it wasn't great.  Sometimes, depending on the venue and the sound system, where you are standing/sitting for the show can affect the sound.  And like ali said, being there is an entirely different experience.  I had VIP suite seats for the 4th, 6th and 7th.  I was sober for all 3, although I got accounts of the shows from others who were drinking and/or were in other spots (seats in the balcony, on the rail).  All 3 shows were epic, simply put.  What a great weekend.  It was awesome meeting you Jarmo, and Ali, and MR BROWNSTONE, and seeing old friends too.  To whomever it concerns (still in the band, not in the band, leaving 10 years from now, crew, management, etc.): THANK YOU!!!

Nice meeting you too.  : ok:



Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnrtour/sets/72157644724906947/





/jarmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsZGLlnc6xc

Yesterdays from beginning to end.  Great sound!  How sick is his voice, control of it, and the entire band.  Also, I still cannot believe this Vegas Run.