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GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Richard Fortus told the Associated Press at yesterday's (Wednesday, April 23) Revolver Golden Gods awards show in Los Angeles that fans could see new music from the band in the next year.

"We are working on stuff and hopefully very soon we're going to have new stuff out," Fortus said on the event's "black carpet (see video below). "Well, in the next year."

He added: "We're going to be in [Las] Vegas all together [for next month's second residency at the Joint inside Hard Rock Hotel and Casino], so hopefully during that time we're going to be able to get in a room and start laying down some more stuff."


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I really hope there is something to what he said about new music, but we have heard this all before.....

Obviously great news if its true.  But this situation the ultimate Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario.

Richard's a great rhythm guitarist and I love him in the band, but this is his stock answer and it appears in every interview he does.

This is the same exact thing that was said before the last Las Vegas residency, in 2012. :-\

He's in an impossible spot.

A more honest answer would be "I have no idea."  But that opens up the can of worms about this not being much a legit band, so I can see not saying it.

But the other side of the coin is that no one believes him anymore since he's been saying this so long.  He truly has no good options here.

Oh yeah, I don't think he's at all malicious, but, whatever his reasons, I can't look at this and go: "Awe! Awesome! New music!"

I love all the articles online headlined New GNR Album coming this year!

ha like you have all said... we have heard this all before... word for word pretty much

In truth, while they are on tour is a not a realistic time to expect them to work on an album.

That time would be once the tour is over.  They take a little time to unwind, then get in the studio and work.

The problem with our band here is that they do the tour, take the time to unwind...then never go back in the studio.  The next action is the next leg of the same neverending tour.

I don't really subscribe to that theory.... if they wanted to work on stuff while on tour they could...and them being on tour is better than doing nothing...

I subscribe to the theory that if Axl wanted to release a new album (no matter how old the songs are)... then he would find a way to do so


hence.... we wait for every star in the universe to align.....

Actually I would think a residency is a perfect time to work on new material. Figure they are all in a musical mode and in the same proximity why not..Kid if like the early 80's with band members playing mostly on the strip and living together or near each other..

i agree...we have heard in the past while not on tour they all live in different place... so a month long stay in one spot solves that...

and we heard they would do exactly that during the last residency....obviously nothing came of it

Richards been saying stuff like this for 3 years.  Most famously, when he mentioned a couple years ago that they were "finishing up" the next GNR album.  Please.  Less talk, more album fellas.  And I say that knowing full well that these poor guys have zero control over whether that actually materializes.  That rests on one man and his relationship with the label.

At any rate, as far fetched as it may be, it would absolutely be wonderful if he was being genuinely honest this time about new music coming soon. Ya never know.

The good thing is that they'll all be in the same city at the same city for a specific length of time.

But as soon as the shows end, people have made plans ahead. For example, Bumblefoot starts his Guitar Gods tour with those other guitar players on June 12th.
So staying in Las Vegas to work on new material might not be an option for him. Then again, maybe his work can be done during the actual residency.




/jarmo

Jarmo, I have a feeling it wasn't discussed, but to your knowledge is whatever was originally intended to be the followup to Chinese (The General, Atlas, Soul Monster, etc.) getting scrapped entirely? 

I have no idea what songs they plan on releasing next. Sorry.

I know as much as the next guy who read the chats Axl did back in 2008.



/jarmo

Yeah, in retrospect, even the band members don't really seem to know what the next album will be.  I hear a lot of "We'd like to get in the studio, we're all writing..."  But I also here them fall back on "We recorded so much stuff for Chinese..." 

Makes you wonder if Robin leaving had more an affect on the next album's release than we initially realized, as I'm sure he's all over it, as is probably Bucket on at least several songs.  We know these guys have been recording and passing around tracks behind the scenes, but to what extent?  Enough to get these tracks mixed and mastered for a release within a reasonable amount of time?  I sure hope so...

As I've said multiple times in the past. There's no simple solution that will please everybody, so you might as well forget about even trying.

If the band releases the tracks that were recorded previously, with former members' contributions intact, you'll have certain elements of the so called fanbase saying shit like "it's not the current band". Just like with Chinese.

If you scrap that material, and record something new, we'll get the "so the unreleased material wasn't strong enough" or "why didn't they release the Buckethead/Robin/Paul/Brain material that they talked about?".


So obviously the simple answer is to release a box set with everything. ;)  :hihi: Edited to add: The boxset comment is a joke.



/jarmo

That'd be amazing, wouldn't it? :hihi:

Personally, I think a double disc from Chinese era featuring the unreleased tracks as well as the Red Hand & Grenade covers and booklets would be the coolest thing ever.  I'd buy ten.  Seriously.

We all would....

you know ... us... "the so called fanbase" lol

These are all valid points.

But far too often, you seem to use these as an excuse not to even try and do anything.  That's a shit solution that isn't helping anyone. 

At some point, you have to decide on what you feel is the best course of action, and implement it.  You can't spend the rest of your life pouting in the corner because 100% of the fanbase might not be thrilled with your choice on how to proceed. 

The concept of "perfect is the enemy of the good" has never been truer than with this band.

Yeah, in my opinion, the rest of the Chi Dem era tracks need to be embraced for what they are and released & packaged as such.  Meaning, I can't think of a better way to release them than with the Grenade/Red Hand covers, keep Robin & Bucket on where Axl feels they need to be, with DJ & Ron integrated only where Axl feels the songs are "unfinished" or need to be spruced up.  Hell, they might have done this already, especially Ron "Atlas Shrugged" Thal.

Keeping these songs under wraps with hopes that DJ & Ron can reinvent them as their own will likely keep them in limbo forever.  Why prolong that?

Axl??

I lose track of this shit, has Ron mentioned "Atlas Shrugged" or no?  I can't specifically remember him throwing out current, unreleased song titles.

Yes, Ron has mentioned a couple times that he recorded on Atlas Shrugged, as well as a "good handful" of tracks that did not appear on Chinese.  He even still has the solo he did for it on his laptop.

All true.  That last point may be the best one.

If one of Axl's concerns is truly that he doesn't want to release another album with people long gone...how does that situation improve over time?  The longer it goes, the problem does not change.  In fact, it gets worse.  He keeps adding year after year to the wait for these songs to come out and the time these guys have been gone just grows longer as we wait.

I don't claim to be inside his head, nor be an expert on how the music business works.  But I really need it explained to me how you don't take the collection of songs you have, pick your best 12-14, and go from there.  How is this hard?

are you implying Axl has tried to please everyone when it comes to releasing music? i would disagree with that. i don't think "pleasing everybody" is high on his list when it comes to anything he does musically.

but whenever any band releases an album, some people will not be happy with it. that's just a fact of life.

it's a waste of time to focus on what a small minority of people will be displeased with. the large majority of fans would just be happy if there was a plan in place. or even a goal that was communicated to us. cause these bullshit comments from various band members are frustrating.

100% correct.

Let's be real here.  Anyone still interested in hearing music from this band does not care about any of these things.  I personally feel it makes more sense to have the actual guys in the band do the record, yes.  But no so much so I would turn down stuff with Bucket and Robin on there.

I find it the cop out of alltime to claim you are moved by what some yoyo writes on your FB page or some snarky Youtube comment.  The very nature of their comment shows you they aren't going to be interested in whatever you do.  But who gives a shit?  Why does what they think even matter?

It makes zero logical sense to be concerned what some internet poster that refers to them as "fake GNR" thinks.  They should not even be anyone you notice.

That's the thing.  I remember a couple of years back, a frustrated Ron responded to fans on Facebook saying "If any new music comes out soon it'll be with guys that haven't been in the band for 6 years..." or something to that affect.  But my question is "Well, what's the alternative?"  Does anyone really see Axl hunkering down in the studio for a year or so with the current lineup to write and crank out an entirely new album? Let's get serious.  It's a nice thought, but it ain't gonna happen, at least not in the foreseeable future.

So, it goes back to what I said.  They have, what, 18-20 songs left over from the Chinese sessions, many with finished vocals, that were intended to be the follow up to Chinese ANYWAY.  Have Ron & DJ spruce them up, Frank can add drum fills and whatever percussion Axl feels is missing and BAM...New album.  Why (at least to our knowledge) isn't the ball rolling on this?

Nobody's saying it's an excuse to not releasing anything. Don't be silly.

Just pointing out the different scenarios and the obvious comments that will followThey need it so bad... from the obvious clique of fans.


It just seems like the "need" for the album is somewhat related to certain fans' idea that their lives will be better (?) if only Axl delivers an album to them. I just don't buy it.
They "need" it so bad it's almost all they can talk about. And we all know what will happen once they get it. "Ok, got it. Now what?"  :hihi:




/jarmo

I can only speak for myself, jarmo, but my reaction to getting the next album would hardly be "Now what?".  I am of the belief, and of course I'm human and could be mistaken, that the remaining tracks recorded during the Chinese era are the last we're likely to get from Axl, in terms of what could be put out as a full-on album release.  Personally, I just don't see him going back into the studio to record an entirely new album from scratch with the current lineup, save maybe for a couple of DJ Ashba penned tracks, should the spirit move him to do so, and should DJ remain in the band.  Again, that's my opinion.

Axl referred to Chinese as "double" meaning Chinese, and whatever tracks were/are meant for the follow up.  That hasn't happened yet.  Meaning, we only have half of Axl's vision.  When and if it does come out, I think to a lot of fans who followed Guns through the entire Chinese Democracy saga and beyond will meet it with a great sense of relief and see it as a total blessing to see songs like The General & Atlas Shrugged see an "official" release. Sure, there will likely be dissenting idiots, but literally every big name band has those.  You can't not do something because certain "fans" can never be pleased.  Nothing would ever get released.

jarmo... dont worry... i promise speaking for myself... a new GNR album ... is no where near a priority in my life.... if Axl never lets us hear it.... i promise I wont jump off the cliff....


but this is a GNR website geared towards the current GNR right? thats what you always tell people... so other than reading the set lists each night....

what the hell are we supposed to talk about if not  the next album..................


i'd love to know

THIS is the kind of crap I'm talking about.  This is lame.

As to you first point, stop it.  Phony argument by you.  Its a rock album.  On an internet forum about said rock band, a conversation about the next album is the very definition of on topic.  No one is staying up nights or putting themselves in the hospital because its not out.  But, when the topic of the band comes up, so does a new album.


As to the second point, why not just let us worry about that, hmmm?  Not a huge fan of arguments where you, the band, or anyone else plays fortune teller and tells us what we'd do and how we'd act.  Just put the thing out.  Let us worry about how we handle it. No band in the history of time has seriously argued they can't put an album out because then people will ask for the next one 10 minutes later.

Agreed completely

and you know what in this instance... none of us were complaining or pining for anything...just reacting to Richards quote. Jarmo just jumped in and started with us that no matter what they do we will complain... we weren't complaining, in fact So Fine was just respectfully asking him if he knows anything about plans...

but like I said and many have said... if not a new record... what is the point and what are we supposed to discuss?

Really, we're here discussing the next album in a thread about how a band member discussed the next album...and shocker...personal attacks about how the next album is all we can talk about, and how its the only thing that can make our lives better.  Unreal.

Why do you need to get so extreme almost every time somebody brings up a point? There's no middle?

Is that your "best" answer to everything? Take things to the extreme in order to try to ridicule? It's not working.


There's certain issues that certain fans "love" to obsess over. Maybe obsess isn't the best word for it. Anyway. Some like to go on and on about how/when the album will be out and how much it means to them and/or how important it is for the band to release it. It's great that there's interest, no doubt about it. But at some point, without any new info, the same "we need a new album" posts are as fresh as the "it's the same setlist" comments made by others with a different "obsession".

I don't need to "worry" about how you or anyone else will react. We all know.  :P




/jarmo

Of a phony and ridiculous argument?  No.

No one ever, ever, ever has said they need a new GNR album to "make their lives better".  Yet that's a direct quote by you upthread and not the first time you've put that forth either.

And its preposterous.

When I am at happy hour after work and my friends ask me what's new, is there even a 1% chance I will respond "Well, I still have no new Guns n' Roses album, so...obviously that's weighing on my mind." 

Is that real world?  Not in the slightest.

Jarmo, can I ask you an honest question?  Why do you make it your staunch business to care so much about what's important to other fans?  Why does it matter so much to you? Keep in mind, no one was even "complaining" in this thread, just voicing their opinions about the next album and what it could be.

At the end of the day, I just don't understand how if a new album or changing up the setlist (something I personally could give a shit about) is a priority for other fans, how it is ruining your experience as a fan and owner of this website.

It's an impression I get from some people.
It's my opinion! Your opinion is that mostly everything sucks and that La Paz is at high altitude but it's like a hot day in Miami.  :P


I believe that people who feel they are "owed" things from an artist seem to believe that whatever they are owed will fill some kind of void in their lives. That's my opinion. People who "need" new music, "need" to meet their idol and so on. Why does somebody need something? If you need water, you're thirsty. Drinking water will make your thirst go away. In the same way, wouldn't these other kinds of so called needs make something else go away? To fill a void?

Maybe some people are bad at using words and they use the wrong ones. I don't know. Maybe what they mean is "want" and not "need".




I really don't give a fuck what's important to you or certain others. Sorry.

I comment on things I see/read. It's a message board. Why is it a problem that I post my point of view? This always comes up as soon as I try to get some answers. "Why do you....?". It's like you guys should be allowed to say anything that comes to your minds, but if I dare to question what you're saying or ask for some kind of clarifications, you starts questioning me!



/jarmo

Maybe they would be better served by saying -- We plan to continue to tour, write on our own, and hopefully get in the studio some day soon.

This seems to raise false expectations.

Some truth here, to be fair.  But what's the root cause there?

But, and be honest, compare the way you talk to some of us with the way we talk to you.  I'm talking about unprompted shots and lecturing.  Do you feel people come at you with that stuff?  I do not.

It kind of gets back to what I was saying how you, directly or indirectly, derail a lot of these conversation with your scolding and projecting ridiculous scenarios onto us that have never once been supported by anything real world.

You post something I don't agree with -> I comment.
You post something I agree with that I like to add to -> I comment.

Simple. Doesn't need to be aimed at me.

If you post something that's untrue, I'll point it out.
If you post something that I can't relate to, I'll say so.
If you're full of shit, I'll point it out.
If you're an idiot, bye!

Easy to understand.




/jarmo

Maybe it's because your "opinions" often come at the expense of other posters, mostly because it comes off like you're attacking them or disagreeing in an overtly unfriendly & condescending way?  As far as why people ask you all their "Why do you..." questions, well, I really don't see anyone else attacking people the way you do. Maybe that is confusing to posters and demands explanation from time to time.  I mean, I get that you're close to the camp, and in return have made it your business to stomp on anything you perceive as a critique of the band, but really, you aren't in the band.  You don't have to internalize everything as an attack that must be responded to and quashed. People have differing opinions & priorities, who cares?

I'm Finnish. I go straight to the point without sugarcoating everything.
Maybe that comes off as attacking. Not sure.




/jarmo

Haha, I hear you. I'm Italian-American.  I certainly don't avoid confrontation.  Recipe for disaster?  :hihi:

Yep.

And let's talk elephant in the room.  Look at the sheer percentage of his posts that are directed at the same handful of people.  Not to be egotistical here, but I know when I see Jarmo has a new post in the thread, there's a damn good chance he's quoting my stuff and letting me have it.  Or jumping into a conversation I was a part of to tell us to shut the fuck up.

Take an honest look at how much time is spent on pushback against the same crowd of folks.  And ask yourself why a conversation can be going for 2 pages between several people where no one feels anything has been said that is out of line...and then in comes Jarmo to point out the horrible offenses.  Well, that's news to the other 5 of us that had been talking for an hour without any beef.

Hell, me and you even disagree with each other, but it just ends up being part of the conversation.  For example, I've known D-X a long time from way back before MyGNR went down the crapper.  From his posts I can tell he'd much rather see the current lineup record and release an album, whereas I would much rather have the rest of the Chinese era stuff released first.  This ends up being relayed in our posts whenever the new album comes up.  Different opinions, but one thing in common, we're supporting Guns N' Roses and want to see a new release of some kind.  ::Cue a song about co-existing here::

Maybe if I didn't have to ASK you to say something nice, things might be different... I guess it's my fault that you have to be ASKED.

Maybe if I thought you were honest and real about what you post... Instead of acting.



/jarmo

Again man, I think if you just acted friendlier to people with differing opinions instead of being so combative, they wouldn't have to "act" or say one thing here, and something different at another forums.  I'm assuming that's what you mean by acting. I think we want to be real with you here, but it's not always made easy.

I'm just saying, if you want a new album, you support this band.  If you want them to add Illusion songs or throw in a new song or two, you support this band.  Hell, just look at the youtube comments of clowns who scoff at any articles or videos of Guns. We're a loyal breed.  The fact that we're having a coherent conversation on this forum is testament to that.  It's clear that staunch followers of this lineup are in it for the long haul and have a lot of love for Axl.  Why tear at each other?

Agreed.

Is that what he means by "acting"?  Truthfully, I didn't know what he was going for there. 

But, if that was the case, I guess one man's "acting" is another man's "trying to be respectful of a forum's rules."

By acting I mean posting things to get a reaction.

If you're honestly interested in a discussion, you don't avoid questions and try to make jokes to ridicule what others post.... If you're truly interested in it, you respond. If you're only wasting time at work, you can just post things and ignore what you want because it means nothing.

And if you're so interested in honest discussion, you don't make claims like "I'll be the first to admit I was wrong" but never live up to that statement...

It just gives the impression that you're one of those attention seekers that we do not welcome around here.



/jarmo

Oh, well in that case, I could care less about reactions.  Speaking for myself, I say what I say because that's what's on my mind at that given moment, and sure, after I saw Guns live for the 3rd time post Chi-Dem at the UCAP tour, and for the 5th time total since 2002, my thoughts have shifted to the next album.  Sorry if I seem one-track in that regard, but that's just where I'm at as a GNR fan.

So if they came to your area, you'd skip the show?





/jarmo

I'd go if they came around again.  How many more chances might I have?

Honestly though, the biggest problem would be finding someone to go with.

Hell no, I'd be all over it.  Haven't missed a Chicago stop since 2002.  Even made a trip up to Toronto to see them in 2010 when a states tour was still unclear.  But at this point if I had to pick between the two, I'd obviously pick a new album.

You have a band member say that fans could see new music from the band in the next year.

People want to talk about it.  No surprise.

No shit.

Just like people saying "It's nothing new".




/jarmo

It is nothing new.  But here's to hoping this time it's different.

No shit.

You're never going to top Prostitute, so why try?

I would love new music, but I just can't shake the last song from the last album out of my head. It's jus too damn good.

The  instrumental end of prostitute is off the charts beautiful.

I def wish for a new album.

Or at least what he has done on this tour which his awesome is open with YCBM and open with Its so easy.
That makes it fresh.  I made a joke and almost got thrown off for saying they are predictable, which was a "troll" post, but I said it cause I kind of feel that they need to keep changing it up.
But for axl, he did a bit.
I feel in spite of me wanting new music and to hear "yesterday's" and "coma" or something diff, axl at least changed a little.

Now I want more.
Jarmo, at every show, u basically know the songs that will be played.

Here is a question for u.
Axl comes and asks you, what songs that we have not played live in this era would u want to hear?
Would u say, "keep the same setlist axl?"

Or do u secretly want to hear something diff?

Of course each one of us wants to hear certain songs. To think otherwise would be foolish.
Just like most of us fans would love to buy new material from the band.

That being said, being constructive is one thing, complaining about the setlist when you're not at the shows is another.

We all could create fantasy setlsts, but then if those were used, the majority of the crowd would be like this:  ???  :hihi:




/jarmo

In regard to filling a void in their lives, Jarmo, why else would someone drop the hundreds of dollars required to fly to Vegas and catch a gig, if not to fill some void?

True

Good point. But I think we are talking about a bit different things.

The thing I was talking about is the fact that sometimes it seems like the need for a new GN'R album is almost as important as oxygen for some. ;)
And for all the sensitive people out there in Internet land, I'm being extreme and not 100% serious here. Ok?



/jarmo

I will spend $1200 for my flight and $400 for a room to go to Vegas next month.  I'm not "filling a void".  I am seeing my favourite band in an awesome venue.  I went and saw two shows in Vegas in 2012.  The venue is kick ass.  You might bump into the band outside the shows (frank was in line for coffee with me one morning) and they were doing almost 3 hour shows, with dancers and flying pianos etc.  That's why I choose Vegas.

Can't you think of a better way to spend $1600?
Of course you're filling a void, why not just go fishing instead? It's a lot less expensive.

And he could lay there on the bed (with his Bass in the air)  :hihi:

"They're Trout to GET ME!"
 :D

Bass in the air....Trout to get me.....LOL

I think it's a good use of funds....you think I should buy a couch instead?

I know some people think these Vegas shows are a negative and start talking about washed up bands or whatever, but I see them as a blessing.  The band themselves have stated they like the stability of being somewhere for more than a day, the production value is normally higher.....I think as a fan they are an Awsome opportunity.

The "void" a concert or concert trip usually fills is that it entertains you. It gives you something to think back at all those other days of the year when you're bored.

This is the same "void" that your favorite band fills. It make you feel good, or feel something, one way or another. Maybe a certain song makes you happy. Maybe one song makes you think. Or whatever.


That's all good.
But when that so called void needs to be filled, it turns into something else. Just like when people go from wanting to hear a new album, to needing to hear a new album. Slight difference.

I often encounter fans who need things. And it's not always a positive experience.




/jarmo

If my dog dies and I was lonely....and I bought another dog.....to me thats filling a void.

You girlfreind/boyfreind breaks up with you and you spend a couple hours a day at the gym, trying to avoid thinking about it....that's filling a void.

Enjoying a band and going to a couple concerts a year....that's entertainment, enjoying life and creating memories.

Wish I could do it more.  I go see other bands when they get close.  Megadeth, KISS, Motley Crue, Tea Party, Rob Zombie....I have all seen multiple times (not to mention all the other bands I have seen single shows of.

Liking live rock isn't necessarily a void filling mechanism.

$1600?? Wow! No offense, but I would not spend that type of money on GNR when I was a kid nor now in my late 30s. Just have other priorities at this time in my life like car payments, mortgage, etc. If GNR comes to North NJ, PNC Arts Center, MSG,or Barclays Center, I would go see them. Other than that, not worth it for me.   

$1600 is plane and hotel. Tickets, food, T-shirt, drinks, etc and it will easily be a $3000 for 4 nights, and a 3 concert trip.

People will definitely spend more.  I met a girl from Paris the last time.  I'm sure tickets from Europe must be more expensive than mine.  And so people will see more shows.

If I travel to Toronto (nearest place they regularly play) for one concert I can probably drive for $220, hotel for $180 plus tickets and extra.... So $750 for one night, one concert.

Multiply that by 3 and it's close to Vegas....

IMO you're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

Look at it from the point-of-view that Ja5oN is spending $3000 on an all-inclusive 4 night vacation/holiday trip to Vegas.

Getting to experience three GNR concerts while there is an awesome bonus!  : ok:

Exactly seeing GNR in vegas is definitely an experience that is worth it.

Great post, totally agree. I certainly don't think most fans will be demanding info on yet another release if/when cd part 2 is released. IMO cd2 will be about finishing a chapter in Guns history that we got a good glimpse of with Chinese.

$3,000 is a lot of cash. For me, I wouldn't spend that much on seeing GNR nor Vegas. For that amount of money, you can do a week trip to Europe and see three cities IF you choose to do that. At  this point in my life, I just have other things to take care of. 

To each their own!

How someone spends there money is only that persons issue to justify.  If I had the money, I would definitely be flying at see all shows in Vegas, and then I would review each show. 

And when it comes to people having nothing better to do, I say this.
We were put on this earth to do things we love.
Period.
I love seeing and listening and reading about GNR.
Def one of my favorite things to do.
It's not because I have nothing better to do.
Lol

Mabey it true to a point.  In my private life my wife is very nasty to me and has major mood swings.  Everyday I am walking on egg shells so I do book these concerts and do have a certain "need" for them.   They bring me a lot of joy and happiness.   However I don't mix that in with having to hear a certain setlist or want shows choreographed a certain way.  I think we all have a need to enjoy things we love.   Some feel that need more than others. 

Play "sorry" to your wife.
 ;D

I think we're all basically saying the same thing.  One person's trip to see three GNR shows in Vegas is another person's trip to Europe and see three cities is another person's new furniture or whatever.   : ok:

Very true! :)

I agree many are unable or unwilling to differentiate or separate wants from needs.
When you cross the line and confuse your wants with your needs, you guarantee yourself a good dose of anxiety or depression that will hijack your happiness and make you miserable-and a real joy to be around.
Nobody has ever died from not getting what they merely want over what they truly need.

People want a new album,some have convinced themselves that they need it.By confusing these two things in their head,they have mixed up needs with wants,desires,wishes,substitutes and deficits.
It isn't a healthy mindset.

?There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it.?
― Oscar Wilde :hihi:

oh i'll take the later...."I want GnR to perform at my 40th b-day party".....can someone hook that up?

About "voids": Album or concert. Check out the word "aisthesis". That fills out an undefined void we understand needs to be filled the moment it is filled. When we understand that we want it, we priority it as much as material things. That's why some of us think it's worth to spend 100, 1000 or more $ to get it.

Maybe some of us just like Axl rose and want him to release an album once a fucking decade?

Geez......

I like going to gnr shows buying his records and buying a couch when I need one so what does that make me?

This subject is really ridiculous....

there are posters across various GNR sites who do COMPLAIN every day about trivial things....his weight, his voice no Slash etc....its really pathetic

but some of us just want GNR to grow and release new music

NOBODY here at this site complains about it every day or NEEDS it to fill some VOID in their life... in fact NOBODY was complaining about it at all we were just discussing Richard's quote until Jarmo scolded us for doubting what Richard said... and why would we everrrr doubt it......

that is just pure horseshit that some spew to deflect the fact that GNR never does release anything... and thats ok with them... great

and then the BS about then we will just ask another new record if they ever release something ... come on...


Jarmo... i asked what we are supposed to discuss here if not for the prospects of a new record...or HELL ONE new song.. and you didnt answer me...

its the definition of an ON TOPIC discussion...especially after one of the guitar players gave the same song and dance about everybodys recording

I never said it's not ok to talk about the prospects of a new album. Come on.

I just remind people that there's a fine line between those who want to hear a new album and those who get frustrated/upset/angry about it.
As long as you keep yourself on the right side of that fence, it's all good.




/jarmo

and that is more than fair... and for the most part I think all of us are on the right side of the fence

Anyway, back to the original topic about new music: I frequently hear that bands of GNR's generation who have matured and grown tired of the excessive drugs and drinking now fill their time writing music while on tour. I wonder why GNR does not do the same. I realize their schedule is tight but musicians are always talking about sitting around in their rooms strumming a few lines that eventually turn into riffs and from there the basis for a new song. I don't have the answer, I am just curious why that creative process doesn't seem to bearing any fruit, so to speak, for GNR. Or maybe it is, and we will find out, but we don't have any evidence to date that it is.

Well, first of all Gn'R is not like the other bands of their generation. That was some of the reason they exploded back then.

Second, it looks like they (at least some of band members) still like to go out and have fun.

Third, Gn'R probably use much more energy on their 3hours plus shows, than same generation bands use on their shows. They need rest, right?

It also seems like Axl spend most of the time off seperated from the rest of the band.

But yes, it's more likely than not, that a man like Bumblefoot like to sit with his guitar and work out new stuff whenever it's possible. It's a creative gang, so they probably have tons of stuff going.

Well, sure...provided you stick to the script.

- It gets here when it gets here.  You just got one 6 years ago.  My god are you greedy.
- Any frustration with the lack of progress is full blown whining.  Are you ever happy?
- Comparisons to other band's situations are irrelevant.  Unless it supports inactivity.
- The stronger your opinion on any of the above is relative to how unhappy you are with your life.

I don't understand this....
what does bands of GNR 's generation mean... this is a completely different band than the one who took part in excessive drugs and drinking....they didnt mature in to the band today... they are gone!

if this version chooses not to record...thats on them.. has nothing to do with what GNR did in the past

all of us here think recording or re recording half way finished stuff while in vegas makes a lot of sense... lets just see what happens and see if Axl says ok to anything

we all know by now the band has no say whatsoever in anything getting done, so if Axl says ok lets do this...then it will...if he doesnt...it wont... that simple

comparing how gnr goes about it today to 25 years ago makes no sense in any way

yeah I think all the guys are certainly capable, but they seem to use their free time being creative for the other gigs... which makes sense... because they know they have no way to push anything GNR related

and lets face it... Axl is a rock star... he lives it... the guys in the band at least to me come off way more down to earth... they are not driving around in ferrarris and sipping expensive champagne!

they dont all hang out in the same circles, that was an advantage to the creative process of the old band, they grew up together

I don't know, but maybe it's not optimal to record anything while doing shows? 3 shows a week must be hard on Axl's voice. The rest of the band can lay down som tracks though. And Axl can still be involved, even if he must save his throat for the live shows.

People are different. What works for somebody might not work for somebody else.

Same with musicians. Some are happy to write songs on tour while others are not in "song writing mode".




/jarmo

You might be right about that.... it could be too much for this voice

Yeah, I've always said its unreasonable to expect them to record while on tour. 

But...let's keep some perspective here.

They wrapped up touring last year in June.  They started this year in March.  That's several months of downtime.  What stops them then?  All the more so when you consider we are not talking about starting from scratch.  The overwhelming lion's share of the work is already done on these songs.

Both Ron and DJ made comments before the last Vegas residency about how it will afford an extended period of time where they'll all be in the same place to hopefully get things done.  Nothing happened....nor, at least to our knowledge, has anything happened on the new album front since.   

It gets to a point where it feels like we're living in Groundhog Day when they make comments like these.  Sure, it's nice to hear, but good intentions a new album does not make.  I'll believe it when there's tangible proof that a new album is, in fact, in the works. Any GNR fan who has been around for 5 minutes should know that's probably wise.

At the basest level, I'd rather hear this sort of talk than outright laughter at the question.

Lyrics come later, as I understand. I am not a musician so I don't know. But from what I picked up you start with riffs and from there build a song, and later write the lyrics. So there could be a creative process that does not require Axl or add any additional strain to his voice.

But the songs are supposedly largely done.

And whatever tweaks or add-ons that might come be, it won't be new vocals.

I would be willing to bet the farm that this ends up being the case.  And I am in no way against that.  I don't care if Axl recorded vocals in 1999 or 2007, a new song is a new song.   Not to mention his voice was probably a bit stronger when these tracks were recorded anyway.

Agreed.  If he sounds like he did on CD, that's fine.

I think Chinese featured some of his best vocal performances to date.  TWAT, IRS & Better are absolute standouts IMO.  How could anyone not be excited to see what else he was cooking during that time?   You know, other than Bumblefoot.  :P

Agreed.  TWAT, IRS and Better are three of my favs from CD too.  I wish IRS could find its way back into the setlist (not a complaint, btw).  A very underrated song...was glad I got the chance to hear it live in 2010.

bring on the box set  !  : ok:


if Axl sang on a record with jarmo and Del on guitars , fernando on drums and beta on bass.... i would buy it !!!

What I've heard from a musician friend of mine that's pretty much so. However, not necessarily. You also scribble notes and stuff and you come up with a few lyrics. Then you pick up your favourite guitar (the only one in this case) and start playing around trying to piece together if this could work with the words I just wrote down.

My guess is there is plenty of unsorted material, which just needs, well, sorting out. Most of it even could be unusable but there will be something spectacular as well.

Just getting caught up on comments here and your happy hour one's a good one!  Just because we express a desire for new music on a website, doesn't mean we obsess about it 24/7 or let it consume our lives.  Sure, the only thing you know about me is that I want (not need) to hear new Guns music...but that's because the only thing you know about me are from my posts on a Guns n Roses website.  I'll give the benefit of the doubt that people here have other things in their lives to think about once they log off.

That's the first time I've heard Richard Fortus speak and what a nice guy he is. I didn't expect him to be like this so was pleasantly surprised to watch this interview.  : ok:

Yeah, Richard seems like a real cool, down to earth dude.  Cool to see Axl give him some props at the GG ("if you're not Fortus, you're against us!").