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Title: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on April 04, 2014, 10:49:43 AM Just watched SCOM from last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcJRSIFEMPE
I find Axl sings so well. Every song is sung well still. He can hit every note! I wonder if it is an effort issue, age issue, or throat issue as to why he doesn't do more rasp like he did 3 years ago. Regardless, I wanted to hear everyone's honest feedback. Everyone has a right to an opinion! Cannot wait for Duff to join them. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 04, 2014, 11:22:22 AM Not much power behind it and nothing like the voice that made him a world famous rock icon.
But, he sounds better each night, even if there is no hope he will ever sound like he used to. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 04, 2014, 11:27:09 AM Just watched SCOM from last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcJRSIFEMPE I find Axl sings so well. Every song is sung well still. He can hit every note! I wonder if it is an effort issue, age issue, or throat issue as to why he doesn't do more rasp like he did 3 years ago. Regardless, I wanted to hear everyone's honest feedback. Everyone has a right to an opinion! Cannot wait for Duff to join them. I think he's consciously adjusted how he sings in order to better preserve the long term health and functionality of his voice. If I go back and listen to Appetite, his voice isn't all that raspy to me on that record. So, I find the raspy tone overrated. As someone who grew up singing, I know how to induce a raspy tone and I know from experience how much discomfort it can cause you and how it can affect your vocal endurance. So, I've never been all that enamored with it, at least to the extent I've heard it in bootlegs from the Ritz in '88 to the early 90's. I still cringe when I hear those old bootlegs because I wonder how his throat must have felt singing like that. I'm actually amazed he was able to do it as long as he did. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 04, 2014, 12:02:10 PM We've all done our "best Axl" for years as we sang along in our cars. And let's face it, it hurts your throat.
I just don't know why some have to go so overboard. They get their backs right up when then smell a "hater" and go so over the top they lose any credibility. So whenever anyone wants to tell me that he's "better than ever!", I roll my eyes. When someone tells me they hear no difference between now and past tours, I laugh at them outright. If you want to defend your guy, fine. But let's keep it real world. There are legit defenses you can make without decending into ridiculousness. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: LongGoneDay on April 04, 2014, 12:07:16 PM I think his voice still sounds great at times when he sings in the lower registers.
Unfortunately the higher it goes, the weaker it sounds to my ears. Almost unrecognizable in comparison to GN?R?s heyday. Axl at 60% still sounds better than most singers out there, and he still puts on a hell of a performance, but it would be interesting to hear what happened. His voice still sounded very strong on ?Oh My God?, but sounds like he?s struggling live and on CD. Maybe a mute point since new music clearly isn?t the priority, but I?ve often wondered why he doesn?t write songs more geared to the lower registers where his voice is strongest. Sort of adapt to the limitations that weren?t there when he was younger. I thought it worked well for Cornell on King Animal for example. Granted Chris is more involved in the writing process.. Could probably save some bullets if he toured less as well, but that seems to be the only thing keeping them going of late. Maybe he feels more comfortable singing live where imperfections aren?t as glaring, and are softened by blaring guitars, crowd noise etc. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 04, 2014, 12:09:50 PM Could probably save some bullets if he toured less as well, but that seems to be the only thing keeping them going of late. Maybe he feels more comfortable singing live where imperfections aren?t as glaring, and are softened by blaring guitars, crowd noise etc. See, I would almost think the other way. He's better served in a controlled studio environment with retakes and assorted studio magic. Look at 'Better'. That sounds like Axl Rose. On the record, anyway. Live, it doesn't sound like that. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: LongGoneDay on April 04, 2014, 12:30:15 PM Could probably save some bullets if he toured less as well, but that seems to be the only thing keeping them going of late. Maybe he feels more comfortable singing live where imperfections aren?t as glaring, and are softened by blaring guitars, crowd noise etc. See, I would almost think the other way. He's better served in a controlled studio environment with retakes and assorted studio magic. Look at 'Better'. That sounds like Axl Rose. On the record, anyway. Live, it doesn't sound like that. I thought so too, before I heard CD. The highs sound thin. Doesn't necessarily sound bad. Just far different than I anticipated, and would have expected him to sound had it been the mid 90's. I certainly don't think it's a conscious choice, or an experimental style. I don't think he could have sang that thin/hollow sounding intro to "Better" if he wanted too back in the day. The remainder of the song his voice sounds strong, though. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 04, 2014, 01:15:09 PM We've all done our "best Axl" for years as we sang along in our cars. And let's face it, it hurts your throat. There are ways to create a raspy tone, like the one I learned that requires using and pushing out less air when you sing, so as to create friction between your vocal chords and in turn a raspy sound. It's not healthy for your voice long term.I just don't know why some have to go so overboard. They get their backs right up when then smell a "hater" and go so over the top they lose any credibility. So whenever anyone wants to tell me that he's "better than ever!", I roll my eyes. When someone tells me they hear no difference between now and past tours, I laugh at them outright. If you want to defend your guy, fine. But let's keep it real world. There are legit defenses you can make without decending into ridiculousness. There is a difference between now and past tours, but like I said before, I found the over the top raspiness from the early 90's unpleasant to my ears. So, while I understand that certain more aggressive songs could benefit stylistically from a more raspy tone, I will take how he sounds now, overall, compared to what I heard in the early 90's. I'll take what I heard in concert in 2012 compared to what I heard in 1992, overall, as I found it less abrasive to my ears. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 04, 2014, 01:20:20 PM But its a pretty drastic departure from the voice that made him famous and what people expect from Axl Rose.
You just about never hear a bad word about his voice in 1993. And I'd agree, all the boots I have from that year are solid. And they don't hold a candle to what we hear today. With the shows today, I think they have trouble passing the, what I refer to as, the "what the hell happened here?" test. Fan, non-fan, or even indifferent...people know what Axl Rose sounds like. And if you played them a recent show, the most likely thing you would hear is some variation of "what the hell happened here?" Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 04, 2014, 01:35:55 PM But its a pretty drastic departure from the voice that made him famous and what people expect from Axl Rose. I beg to differ. I know plenty of people that found his voice offputting back in the day. I know plenty of people who found his voice abrasive and unpleasant to listen to.You just about never hear a bad word about his voice in 1993. And I'd agree, all the boots I have from that year are solid. And they don't hold a candle to what we hear today. With the shows today, I think they have trouble passing the, what I refer to as, the "what the hell happened here?" test. Fan, non-fan, or even indifferent...people know what Axl Rose sounds like. And if you played them a recent show, the most likely thing you would hear is some variation of "what the hell happened here?" Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 04, 2014, 01:54:40 PM Its hard to disprove anecdotal stories, so my coming back and telling you I have found the exact opposite really gets us nowhere.
And I think most objective third parties would not be blind to the fact that both of us seem to run into people that amplify our established positions. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: LongGoneDay on April 04, 2014, 02:11:59 PM But its a pretty drastic departure from the voice that made him famous and what people expect from Axl Rose. I beg to differ. I know plenty of people that found his voice offputting back in the day. I know plenty of people who found his voice abrasive and unpleasant to listen to.You just about never hear a bad word about his voice in 1993. And I'd agree, all the boots I have from that year are solid. And they don't hold a candle to what we hear today. With the shows today, I think they have trouble passing the, what I refer to as, the "what the hell happened here?" test. Fan, non-fan, or even indifferent...people know what Axl Rose sounds like. And if you played them a recent show, the most likely thing you would hear is some variation of "what the hell happened here?" Ali I don?t doubt that you prefer Axl?s voice today over ?92, and respect that, but personally I have never met a fan of Guns N? Roses that was put off by Axl?s voice back then. I know plenty of people that never liked his voice, but they by default aren?t fans of GN'R. I know plenty of people(most, if not all) who loved his voice back then, and now find him unlistenable. I?ve never met anyone who prefers his voice today over yesteryears(excluding yourself of course!). Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 04, 2014, 02:16:43 PM But its a pretty drastic departure from the voice that made him famous and what people expect from Axl Rose. I beg to differ. I know plenty of people that found his voice offputting back in the day. I know plenty of people who found his voice abrasive and unpleasant to listen to.You just about never hear a bad word about his voice in 1993. And I'd agree, all the boots I have from that year are solid. And they don't hold a candle to what we hear today. With the shows today, I think they have trouble passing the, what I refer to as, the "what the hell happened here?" test. Fan, non-fan, or even indifferent...people know what Axl Rose sounds like. And if you played them a recent show, the most likely thing you would hear is some variation of "what the hell happened here?" Ali I don?t doubt that you prefer Axl?s voice today over ?92, and respect that, but personally I have never met a fan of Guns N? Roses that was put off by Axl?s voice back then. I know plenty of people that never liked his voice, but they by default aren?t fans of GN'R. I know plenty of people(most, if not all) who loved his voice back then, and now find him unlistenable. I?ve never met anyone who prefers his voice today over yesteryears(excluding yourself of course!). Therein lies the difference. I'm not talking about hardcore Guns N' Roses fans, strictly. I know casual fans that liked the songs and Axl's cleaner vocals on Appetite, but not the raspier vocals on some of UYI and during the 90's shows. With me, when I listed to Tokyo '92 and Paris '92, I appreciate the energy and intensity of the performance, but wince at what I hear because I automatically imagine what must be going on with his throat. Maybe that's the consequence of having the mantra of "singing with an open throat" drilled into my head for years. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 04, 2014, 02:18:29 PM Its hard to disprove anecdotal stories, so my coming back and telling you I have found the exact opposite really gets us nowhere. Agreed. But, keep in mind if by people, you are referring to big GN'R fans, then we are talking about two different things. I am talking about a more broad pool of people, including more casual fans. I agree that most fans that were big GN'R fans back in the day enjoyed his vocals in the old days, at least on record.And I think most objective third parties would not be blind to the fact that both of us seem to run into people that amplify our established positions. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on April 04, 2014, 04:29:53 PM Ali,
Did you see Guns N roses in 1992? Not meaning I think you did or did not. I have no idea. Just curious, because I cannot for the life of me imagine playing Axl singing 2014 for someone and playing 1992 Paris and hearing them say today is better. Had Axl sung like this then, he would not be famous. I saw them in 1992 and saw them in 2011 and 2012. Axl was brilliant all 3 times, but 1992, the experience was the greatest show on earth. Today, it is not the Greatest Show on Earth in the Public. No comparison.... Today, they are more of a retro showcase of what once was. I completely respect your opinion, but are you willing to say Axl would have still been the greatest rock show on earth with today's voice. i think people would potentially not even listen to appetite if he sang Paradise City the way he did last night. It is missing some power ...big time. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 04, 2014, 05:19:49 PM Ali, Did you see Guns N roses in 1992? Not meaning I think you did or did not. I have no idea. Just curious, because I cannot for the life of me imagine playing Axl singing 2014 for someone and playing 1992 Paris and hearing them say today is better. Had Axl sung like this then, he would not be famous. I saw them in 1992 and saw them in 2011 and 2012. Axl was brilliant all 3 times, but 1992, the experience was the greatest show on earth. Today, it is not the Greatest Show on Earth in the Public. No comparison.... Today, they are more of a retro showcase of what once was. I completely respect your opinion, but are you willing to say Axl would have still been the greatest rock show on earth with today's voice. i think people would potentially not even listen to appetite if he sang Paradise City the way he did last night. It is missing some power ...big time. I did see them in 1992. Whether or not you choose to believe that is entirely up to you and of no consequence to me. I have not seen Axl sing in 2014 yet, so I'm in no position to compare 2014 and 1992. I understand what people are saying when they more "power", and I think it is because Axl never really used his head voice in the early 90's. He used his chest voice primarily (from what I can remember, although I haven't listened to the old bootlegs all that much recently apart from Paris '92 and Tokyo '92). Now, he uses more of a head voice. I think he does this because this way he doesn't have to strain to hit high notes, and is therefore less taxing on his voice. The down side is that your head voice is generally not quite as thick as your chest voice. The upside, at least for me, is that now his voice his a cleaner tone, that by and large is easier on my ears than how he sounded in the early 90's. How he sounded in Indiana in '91 or Tokyo in '92 sounds at times like the sound of a man destroying his vocal chords. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 07, 2014, 06:29:38 PM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know.
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: estebanf on April 07, 2014, 07:38:15 PM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 07, 2014, 11:17:21 PM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: MNGS717 on April 08, 2014, 12:49:27 AM Cool updates! I really like watching the video when the band is playing "I Want You Back" (Jackson 5) before "My Michelle" and then Axl says "The drummer's new too" HA!
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 03:57:43 AM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. its and old discusion we are in 2014,magic its not longer real,the cameras dont steal your soul,and with youtube you can see and watch how good axl sound in 2006 and 2010 and how is sounding in 2011-2014. And as i said before, i saw the band in 2006,2010 and 2012 and in 2012 i enjoy the show but i realized he was not singing with rasp . Are you going to say my that the song my michelle was singing right? Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Princess Leia on April 08, 2014, 09:49:27 AM where exactly is that moment? There are 2. One right before Patience, during the BBF and Richard jammin?. And also near the end of Patience he played some wierd riff a la Angus Young or something. Watch the Patience video and you?ll see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cPN45Kzi8 Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Gaymo, the Hobbit on April 08, 2014, 09:53:30 AM you mean between the break right?
yea, DJ is a fucking poser. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 09:56:23 AM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. its and old discusion we are in 2014,magic its not longer real,the cameras dont steal your soul,and with youtube you can see and watch how good axl sound in 2006 and 2010 and how is sounding in 2011-2014. Hahahaha How some of these arguments are made with a straight face, I'll never know. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on April 08, 2014, 11:00:39 AM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. its and old discusion we are in 2014,magic its not longer real,the cameras dont steal your soul,and with youtube you can see and watch how good axl sound in 2006 and 2010 and how is sounding in 2011-2014. Hahahaha How some of these arguments are made with a straight face, I'll never know. Okay. As I watch some of these beyond amazing vids, (been waiting all tour for these) I am thinking this is one of the most incredible concerts...Thank you Thank you GNR and Axl and Duff.. This is a GNR dream for me. On Paradise City, Axl blew me away. He sang the shit out of it! I give a 10 out of 10 including that Duff played. Not comparing to past shows. Back in the 80's, all we had were 1 or two bootlegs, and a few tv performances. I am looking at each vid as if I were in the audience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODSe13cQC9o On YCBM, Axl gave me moments where when I close my eyes, I could see him 22 years ago...(yes, I do this sometimes so be easy on me) But again, seeing Duff was so unreal, that imagining being at this show is heavenly! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynNBVuhlMo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynNBVuhlMo (Shackler's with Duff) I am freaking dreaming. Axl sings the shit out of this. Such a hard song! WOW More comments coming! I love every aspect of GNR. They are the worlds greatest rock show ever. Axl really blew me away with this show! Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Gaymo, the Hobbit on April 08, 2014, 11:29:08 AM He sings good on these, not as good as 2006 or 2010 though.
But if you seriously compare these to 22 years ago, then you're just delusional Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 11:34:37 AM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. its and old discusion we are in 2014,magic its not longer real,the cameras dont steal your soul,and with youtube you can see and watch how good axl sound in 2006 and 2010 and how is sounding in 2011-2014. Hahahaha How some of these arguments are made with a straight face, I'll never know. Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Compare 2010 shacklers revenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpk2_Xzb-8 with 2014 shacklers revenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujr0zAEGTwI dont you miss something? Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 11:59:01 AM He sings good on these, not as good as 2006 or 2010 though. But if you seriously compare these to 22 years ago, then you're just delusional I can maybe if you think its your duty to put the best spin on matters. Or that "loyalty" is defined as a constant state of rose colored glasses. I agree with neither approach, but do know that thinking is out there. Just keep it real world. I would never take a shot at someone that said "he sounds good enough to me." I wouldn't agree, but its all good. But to go as far as "he's better than ever"?? Now that, I can't abide. Shots fired. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 12:03:24 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 12:48:40 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. Ah sorry i forgot to turn on the button for the rasp mode for the videos from 2011-2014.Sorry,my bad!.Now,everything is ok. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 12:50:38 PM Go to any other band's forum and post a clip of that band.
There is zero discussion how Youtube is unreliable, can't be trusted, and if you weren't in the building that night, you can just fuck right off. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 01:06:18 PM Go to any other band's forum and post a clip of that band. There is zero discussion how Youtube is unreliable, can't be trusted, and if you weren't in the building that night, you can just fuck right off. i was at mallorca 2012 show,i realized how he sounded in most of the songs,and then i went to youtube and was the same but less louder. : ok: Sorry,witchery is not truth. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 08, 2014, 01:07:04 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Nightrained on April 08, 2014, 01:15:04 PM I think we all know that rasp came so much more naturally in 2010. Question, is rasp everything? Do you pay to hear rasp? I don't think many songs have rasp on the album release. Appetite is a clean for a start. That's what it boils down too. I listen to that 2014 shakler's and to me Axl Rose is still worth me paying out for. The songs are still worth it. To the guy at the mallorca show... You realised you witnessed the longest show on that tour and you had izzy? You got your money worth there. Also, the setlists from 2011 are far longer and better than 2010. So for me the overall show is better since 2011. However, I agree the voice isn't. Also, I'm pretty die hard and like to get down the front, and if im honest I can hardly hear Axl half of the time anyway, but I feel i'm actually apart of the show than when i'm stood further back. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: jamesdm on April 08, 2014, 01:22:01 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. Ali There's a BIG diference of youtube and live. I was there the other night and is allways like that. Youtube is not a parameter to compare. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 01:26:24 PM I think we all know that rasp came so much more naturally in 2010. Question, is rasp everything? Do you pay to hear rasp? I don't think many songs have rasp on the album release. Appetite is a clean for a start. That's what it boils down too. I listen to that 2014 shakler's and to me Axl Rose is still worth me paying out for. The songs are still worth it. To the guy at the mallorca show... You realised you witnessed the longest show on that tour and you had izzy? You got your money worth there. Also, the setlists from 2011 are far longer and better than 2010. So for me the overall show is better since 2011. However, I agree the voice isn't. Also, I'm pretty die hard and like to get down the front, and if im honest I can hardly hear Axl half of the time anyway, but I feel i'm actually apart of the show than when i'm stood further back. As i said before i enjoyed the show,but i did notice during civil war,ycbm,estranged,roquet queen and many others that he was using that falsetto.His voice is not the same sinc 2010. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 01:37:20 PM Question, is rasp everything? Do you pay to hear rasp? I don't think many songs have rasp on the album release. Appetite is a clean for a start. That's what it boils down too. I listen to that 2014 shakler's and to me Axl Rose is still worth me paying out for. The songs are still worth it. To your first point, people pay to hear the artist they became a fan of. No artist sounds exactly like the record, but its fairly close. Axl these days, sadly, is not. It does not sound like the same guy. And I mean the same guy as 5 years ago. Don't even think about comparing him to the albums. As to your second point, that's exactly what I was talking about earlier. If it still works for you and you can roll with it, good for you. Despite all my "hating" and obvious blasphemy about the man, the next time he comes around the way, I will likely go. And, like you, I know what I am getting and make my peace with it before I put the money down. There will be no surprises. I know I will be attending a very watered down performance that does not stack up with his past. That's just life in the big city. I have always said that a lesser Axl is better than no Axl at all, which has also been my stance on the new line-up for 10 years. No, its not anything close to what it was. But if my choices are what we have now or nothing, literally nothing, then obviously...give me this. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: ITARocker on April 08, 2014, 02:01:42 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. Ali There's a BIG diference of youtube and live. I was there the other night and is allways like that. Youtube is not a parameter to compare. There's NO difference. The only difference is that you're in the middle of a screaming crowd, jumpin, drinkin, watching at the lights, at the pyros etc. You're not focused only on the voice. That's it. Rasp is not everything, I personally love clean voice. But to Axl is everything, it's his trademark. His clean voice doesn't sound good, it's frail, weak....It sounds like he's trying to put a lot of energy in but he just can't. Hope he will get better, I want to hear him screaming like a god again ;D Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 08, 2014, 02:18:27 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. Ali There's a BIG diference of youtube and live. I was there the other night and is allways like that. Youtube is not a parameter to compare. There's NO difference. The only difference is that you're in the middle of a screaming crowd, jumpin, drinkin, watching at the lights, at the pyros etc. You're not focused only on the voice. That's it. Rasp is not everything, I personally love clean voice. But to Axl is everything, it's his trademark. His clean voice doesn't sound good, it's frail, weak....It sounds like he's trying to put a lot of energy in but he just can't. Hope he will get better, I want to hear him screaming like a god again ;D This is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned people being dismissive of those in attendance. It's ridiculous to make blanket statements and dismissals like this as if somehow being there in attendance affects your ability to hear among the throngs of screaming people, yet listening to a cell phone recording from someone who was standing in the middle of the throngs of people is clear and unaffected. Also, not everyone drinks and jumps around and doesn't pay attention to what they're hearing and seeing. I'll also have to disagree on your assessment of his clean voice. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 02:20:27 PM There's a BIG diference of youtube and live. I was there the other night and is allways like that. Youtube is not a parameter to compare. There's NO difference. The only difference is that you're in the middle of a screaming crowd, jumpin, drinkin, watching at the lights, at the pyros etc. You're not focused only on the voice. That's it. Rasp is not everything, I personally love clean voice. But to Axl is everything, it's his trademark. His clean voice doesn't sound good, it's frail, weak....It sounds like he's trying to put a lot of energy in but he just can't. Hope he will get better, I want to hear him screaming like a god again ;D The problem is one of credibility. No one said shit about Youtube's supposed unreliability when he sounded great. Along the same lines, no one has ever posted a clip of him sounding great, and then throwing in that its that pesky unreliable Youtube, so who knows if its accurate? These things simply don't happen. Youtube gets called into question when you have to put lipstick on a pig. And yes, that last bit is most people's whole problem. It does sound weak. What we hear these days is barely Axl Rose. And it sounds like a guy trying to do an Axl Rose performance, but can't any longer. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kyrie on April 08, 2014, 02:31:49 PM There's a BIG diference of youtube and live. I was there the other night and is allways like that. Youtube is not a parameter to compare. There's NO difference. The only difference is that you're in the middle of a screaming crowd, jumpin, drinkin, watching at the lights, at the pyros etc. You're not focused only on the voice. That's it. Rasp is not everything, I personally love clean voice. But to Axl is everything, it's his trademark. His clean voice doesn't sound good, it's frail, weak....It sounds like he's trying to put a lot of energy in but he just can't. Hope he will get better, I want to hear him screaming like a god again ;D The problem is one of credibility. No one said shit about Youtube's supposed unreliability when he sounded great. Along the same lines, no one has ever posted a clip of him sounding great, and then throwing in that its that pesky unreliable Youtube, so who knows if its accurate? These things simply don't happen. Youtube gets called into question when you have to put lipstick on a pig. And yes, that last bit is most people's whole problem. It does sound weak. What we hear these days is barely Axl Rose. And it sounds like a guy trying to do an Axl Rose performance, but can't any longer. The reason no one complains about YouTube's unreliability when clips sound great is because YouTube isn't adding anything to make clips sound better. That's just common sense. However, mic quality on the camera used to record, plus quality loss during the conversion process (YouTube certainly isn't lossless), and crowd noise, and the fact that you're usually getting clips that are recorded by a device not best suited for live recordings, that are picking up sound from multiple amps/speakers all over the venue, well - all that WILL make things sound worse. Again, it's common sense, but I get that common sense isn't very common sometimes. Let me put it this way, Axl's got his up and down nights, and up and down moments song to song. The best I heard him and the band was 2011 (having seen 2 shows in 02, 06, 10, one in 11, and one in 13), and the 2013 show I saw was probably in the middle of the eight gigs I've been to. And despite that there was only a song or two that I felt he was off on live (YCBM really standing out) - yet people who weren't at the show insisted I didn't know what I was talking about based on a couple semi-complete, poorly captured Youtube clips. And in regards to the comment (not yours) that you're not focused on the voice when in the crowd because of other distractions - personally that's what I am focused on. Half the time in the crowd you have an obstructed view but your ears are always open, aside from people around you singing along - but your ears usually do a much better job than someone's phone in their pocket or whipped out in the crowd while they're bouncing up and down (also fucking up audio quality). Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 02:36:48 PM I'll also have to disagree on your assessment of his clean voice. Its a putting toothpaste back in the tube type of situation. Had he come up and established his entire career singing that way, it would be more acceptable. But its not the voice he used coming up and made him a star. So when people are raised on that for over 20 years, and then you hear him now, there is a real feeling that something has gone terribly wrong. Axl was not a good vocalist in the traditional sense. But his delivery was unique and what people expect from Axl Rose. I would put Eddie Vedder in the same category. Hardly a classically trained vocalist, but he has a sound you know and come to like. So if you went to a Pearl Jam concert, and he is suddenly singing in some half ass falsetto, people are going to point it out and likely going to think something is wrong. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: rebelhipi on April 08, 2014, 02:37:05 PM the traditional how does axl sound in my opinion did not fail to surface this time either.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=65766.msg1364848#new Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gcluskey on April 08, 2014, 03:03:09 PM A few rounds with Sebastian's vocal coach might get him back on track again. Personally I don't think it sounds too bad but it's not the same voice that it was. It's got to be difficult to sing that way anyway. At least he's still out there working and paying off his Ch.Democracy bill :)
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: LIGuns on April 08, 2014, 03:12:10 PM I'll also have to disagree on your assessment of his clean voice. [/ Axl was not a good vocalist in the traditional sense. But his delivery was unique and what people expect from Axl Rose. I would put Eddie Vedder in the same category. Hardly a classically trained vocalist, but he has a sound you know and come to like. So if you went to a Pearl Jam concert, and he is suddenly singing in some half ass falsetto, people are going to point it out and likely going to think something is wrong. AXl has been noted to be one of the best if not the best of the 80's singers by his highly regarded vocal coach.. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 03:17:24 PM AXl has been noted to be one of the best if not the best of the 80's singers by his highly regarded vocal coach.. Then let's get him on the horn and wire him a plane ticket, stat. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: JAEBALL on April 08, 2014, 03:26:01 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzsB0iLJ4M
here is the best footage of the other night so far... camera doesnt move axl really sounds good on some of these... so I get why the defense team is out in full effect... he really killed iTs So Easy but coming here and stating that he is better today than a few years ago... what are you trying to prove? Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 03:37:17 PM There's a BIG diference of youtube and live. I was there the other night and is allways like that. Youtube is not a parameter to compare. There's NO difference. The only difference is that you're in the middle of a screaming crowd, jumpin, drinkin, watching at the lights, at the pyros etc. You're not focused only on the voice. That's it. Rasp is not everything, I personally love clean voice. But to Axl is everything, it's his trademark. His clean voice doesn't sound good, it's frail, weak....It sounds like he's trying to put a lot of energy in but he just can't. Hope he will get better, I want to hear him screaming like a god again ;D The problem is one of credibility. No one said shit about Youtube's supposed unreliability when he sounded great. Along the same lines, no one has ever posted a clip of him sounding great, and then throwing in that its that pesky unreliable Youtube, so who knows if its accurate? These things simply don't happen. Youtube gets called into question when you have to put lipstick on a pig. And yes, that last bit is most people's whole problem. It does sound weak. What we hear these days is barely Axl Rose. And it sounds like a guy trying to do an Axl Rose performance, but can't any longer. Generation X.............are you possesed? And btw,of course when he was sounding great no one said its becuase of youtube.LOL.when i saw gnr in 2010 they sounded great in the concert,i remember stand quiet in roquet queen because was the song i was most looking for,and fuck yes,there was rasp an stronge voice,and so did in youtbe.So fuck to the mistery of youtube.If he is not sounding good its here,youtube and in the whole plante Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on April 08, 2014, 04:10:52 PM ive checked videos of the show,i think Axl is improving his voice he sing civil war with rasp in some parts,but he is far from what i saw in 2010.I would love to know wtf happens with his voice,maybe he blow it he has been in the road since 2008 and his way of sing is hard for the troath,i think we all have tried to sound like axl sometimes ;D but........i dont know. I've seen the band in 2010, 2011 and 2014, and trust me he never had a better voice than last night. Youtube is no parameter at all. its and old discusion we are in 2014,magic its not longer real,the cameras dont steal your soul,and with youtube you can see and watch how good axl sound in 2006 and 2010 and how is sounding in 2011-2014. Hahahaha How some of these arguments are made with a straight face, I'll never know. Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Compare 2010 shacklers revenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpk2_Xzb-8 with 2014 shacklers revenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujr0zAEGTwI dont you miss something? Quite a diff. He still sings well on many clips from the show with Duff. 2010 was almost a fluke I guess....LOL I would love to hear that voice again...But I am still amazed at the show from the other night! Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 04:13:11 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzsB0iLJ4M here is the best footage of the other night so far... camera doesnt move axl really sounds good on some of these... so I get why the defense team is out in full effect... he really killed iTs So Easy but coming here and stating that he is better today than a few years ago... what are you trying to prove? "loyalty" Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 04:18:03 PM Generation X.............are you possesed? And btw,of course when he was sounding great no one said its becuase of youtube.LOL.when i saw gnr in 2010 they sounded great in the concert,i remember stand quiet in roquet queen because was the song i was most looking for,and fuck yes,there was rasp an stronge voice,and so did in youtbe.So fuck to the mistery of youtube.If he is not sounding good its here,youtube and in the whole plante Not possessed, but I will admit to having a hell of a time following you here. Haha. Sometimes it seems like you agree with me, other times it seems you are in opposition to what I'm saying. Sometimes, within the same post. The simplest way to put what I think is that your ears don't lie. So when you play the clip from 2006 and it sounds good, its because it does. When you play one from 2011 onwards and it doesn't sounds as good, its because it doesn't. That's the bottom line. No need to jump through all these hoops. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 08, 2014, 04:52:27 PM I'll also have to disagree on your assessment of his clean voice. Its a putting toothpaste back in the tube type of situation. Had he come up and established his entire career singing that way, it would be more acceptable. But its not the voice he used coming up and made him a star. So when people are raised on that for over 20 years, and then you hear him now, there is a real feeling that something has gone terribly wrong. Axl was not a good vocalist in the traditional sense. But his delivery was unique and what people expect from Axl Rose. I would put Eddie Vedder in the same category. Hardly a classically trained vocalist, but he has a sound you know and come to like. So if you went to a Pearl Jam concert, and he is suddenly singing in some half ass falsetto, people are going to point it out and likely going to think something is wrong. That wasn't the point I was making. Not that I don't understand what you're saying. But, I disagree with the previous assessment of his clean vocal tone. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 04:58:30 PM Generation X.............are you possesed? And btw,of course when he was sounding great no one said its becuase of youtube.LOL.when i saw gnr in 2010 they sounded great in the concert,i remember stand quiet in roquet queen because was the song i was most looking for,and fuck yes,there was rasp an stronge voice,and so did in youtbe.So fuck to the mistery of youtube.If he is not sounding good its here,youtube and in the whole plante Not possessed, but I will admit to having a hell of a time following you here. Haha. Sometimes it seems like you agree with me, other times it seems you are in opposition to what I'm saying. Sometimes, within the same post. The simplest way to put what I think is that your ears don't lie. So when you play the clip from 2006 and it sounds good, its because it does. When you play one from 2011 onwards and it doesn't sounds as good, its because it doesn't. That's the bottom line. No need to jump through all these hoops. LOL,so now the youtube is good.Its time to go bed and take your pills. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 05:00:30 PM Generation X.............are you possesed? And btw,of course when he was sounding great no one said its becuase of youtube.LOL.when i saw gnr in 2010 they sounded great in the concert,i remember stand quiet in roquet queen because was the song i was most looking for,and fuck yes,there was rasp an stronge voice,and so did in youtbe.So fuck to the mistery of youtube.If he is not sounding good its here,youtube and in the whole plante Not possessed, but I will admit to having a hell of a time following you here. Haha. Sometimes it seems like you agree with me, other times it seems you are in opposition to what I'm saying. Sometimes, within the same post. The simplest way to put what I think is that your ears don't lie. So when you play the clip from 2006 and it sounds good, its because it does. When you play one from 2011 onwards and it doesn't sounds as good, its because it doesn't. That's the bottom line. No need to jump through all these hoops. LOL,so now the youtube is good.Its time to go bed and take your pills. You know...I held back on a smartass retort twice. But that's over. Learn to fucking read. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 05:01:39 PM That wasn't the point I was making. Not that I don't understand what you're saying. But, I disagree with the previous assessment of his clean vocal tone. I think any major vocal switch for any major established act is going to be an issue. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2014, 05:09:31 PM Generation X.............are you possesed? And btw,of course when he was sounding great no one said its becuase of youtube.LOL.when i saw gnr in 2010 they sounded great in the concert,i remember stand quiet in roquet queen because was the song i was most looking for,and fuck yes,there was rasp an stronge voice,and so did in youtbe.So fuck to the mistery of youtube.If he is not sounding good its here,youtube and in the whole plante Not possessed, but I will admit to having a hell of a time following you here. Haha. Sometimes it seems like you agree with me, other times it seems you are in opposition to what I'm saying. Sometimes, within the same post. The simplest way to put what I think is that your ears don't lie. So when you play the clip from 2006 and it sounds good, its because it does. When you play one from 2011 onwards and it doesn't sounds as good, its because it doesn't. That's the bottom line. No need to jump through all these hoops. LOL,so now the youtube is good.Its time to go bed and take your pills. You know...I held back on a smartass retort twice. But that's over. Learn to fucking read. You said that Axl was ok,then Axl made a career with the rasp,you said that the youtube its not ok,then yes. :rofl: That its the problem when you try to defend something that you cant.And loyality doesnt mean not think and not say hey axl,you did not sing good today.Because maybe he needs someone to say him,you better find yourself again. Until next time. :'( Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 05:13:11 PM That its the problem when you try to defend something that you cant.And loyality doesnt mean not think and not say hey axl,you did not sing good today.Because maybe he needs someone to say him,you better find yourself again. I could not agree with this more. But really, who is that person telling him that in the current fold? Sadly, nobody. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: slash&axl on April 08, 2014, 06:40:17 PM I've seen GNR 22 times since 06 and I can say first hand that he usually sounds much better live than on youtube videos
Even on the London 2012 pro shot he sounds worse than he did on the day Take Tokyo 1992, the only official live recording ever released and he doesn't sound great on that either Axl has always been a performer who's voice depends on the way it sounds when he wakes up that morning (something that definitely adds to the lates) In fact i'll go out on a limb and say the fact that the shows are starting on time may have something to do with his voice not sounding as expected some times and he giving in and going anyways instead of indulging in whatever rituals he once went through I'm ignoring the 2001 and 2002 era because he literally had to retrain his voice for 2006 But all in all I don't remember people going on about how good his voice was in 2010 except for the Duff show and Dublin. Both of the above were in exceptional circumstances too and a lot of people complained that he wasn't as good as 2006 back then Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Siamese Democracy on April 08, 2014, 06:43:25 PM Well I've heard the YouTube clips and I think they sound excellent.
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Bazfreak on April 08, 2014, 06:54:09 PM This thread has gone waaaaay off topic...Jarmo will soon lock it. Lets go back to Argentina videos plz. Ill soon post an article a brazilian singing teacher posted regarding Axls voice....its a very long and interesting article...talks about Axls surgeries, his vocal issues, his techniques...
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 08, 2014, 07:18:03 PM That wasn't the point I was making. Not that I don't understand what you're saying. But, I disagree with the previous assessment of his clean vocal tone. I think any major vocal switch for any major established act is going to be an issue. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: draguns on April 08, 2014, 07:19:53 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. D-Generation X, I usually agree with what you are saying. However, with this I disagree. The Youtube recording doesn't compare to a live show. I went to the Izod show in November of 2011. He sounded much better live than he does on YouTube for that show. With Youtube, there is just too much noise with the crowd. Granted, he does not sound as good as he did 20 years ago, which is completely understandable. However, he really sounded great that night. Even my date was impressed and she's a Madonna fan. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 07:23:17 PM Straight face? what happens to axl voice? is the only who cant be capture on youtube? ive seen tons of bootlegs of iron maiden,metallica,acdc,black sabbath and you can see when they fuck up.But here there are some guys that belive in witchery? LOL and you tell me with a straight face,i put some irony btw. Youtube seemed to become unreliable on 10.2.2011. That's when you can trace back to when you have to start believing in ghosts in the machine. D-Generation X, I usually agree with what you are saying. However, with this I disagree. The Youtube recording doesn't compare to a live show. I went to the Izod show in November of 2011. He sounded much better live than he does on YouTube for that show. With Youtube, there is just too much noise with the crowd. Granted, he does not sound as good as he did 20 years ago, which is completely understandable. However, he really sounded great that night. Even my date was impressed and she's a Madonna fan. I saw the Camden show right after that. He was fine, I thought. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on April 08, 2014, 07:28:01 PM I think that he sounds great on many tracks this past show. He sounds great on you tube on CD, WTTJ, ISO, and many others. Whether he is not as good as 2010 is irrelevant.
The guys who are saying he does not clearly love him enough to spend all of this time analyzing him.. JUST sayin. Bottom line, there are moments when he sounds like 92. I forget who called me delusional, but I am not. On Civil War, when he sings and holds the Warrrrrrrrrrr..oooo, he sounds old school! On Paradise City, when he says hommmmmmmmmmmm yeahhhhh, he sounds old school! Not delusional. LOL Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 08, 2014, 07:37:27 PM This thread has gone waaaaay off topic...Jarmo will soon lock it. Lets go back to Argentina videos plz. Ill soon post an article a brazilian singing teacher posted regarding Axls voice....its a very long and interesting article...talks about Axls surgeries, his vocal issues, his techniques... I'd be curious to read that...although unless it is in English, I don't think I actually CAN read it :)Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 08, 2014, 07:50:21 PM This thread has gone waaaaay off topic...Jarmo will soon lock it. Lets go back to Argentina videos plz. Ill soon post an article a brazilian singing teacher posted regarding Axls voice....its a very long and interesting article...talks about Axls surgeries, his vocal issues, his techniques... I'd be curious to read that...although unless it is in English, I don't think I actually CAN read it :)Ali Yeah, I'd love to read this if we can get it translated. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Bazfreak on April 08, 2014, 10:16:10 PM This thread has gone waaaaay off topic...Jarmo will soon lock it. Lets go back to Argentina videos plz. Ill soon post an article a brazilian singing teacher posted regarding Axls voice....its a very long and interesting article...talks about Axls surgeries, his vocal issues, his techniques... I'd be curious to read that...although unless it is in English, I don't think I actually CAN read it :)Ali Yeah, I'd love to read this if we can get it translated. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Siamese Democracy on April 08, 2014, 10:24:51 PM I can tie everything together. I saw an ISE video on YouTube and Axl was magical from the last show.
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Pinball Wizard on April 08, 2014, 11:47:49 PM This thread has gone waaaaay off topic...Jarmo will soon lock it. Lets go back to Argentina videos plz. Ill soon post an article a brazilian singing teacher posted regarding Axls voice....its a very long and interesting article...talks about Axls surgeries, his vocal issues, his techniques... I'd be curious to read that...although unless it is in English, I don't think I actually CAN read it :)Ali Yeah, I'd love to read this if we can get it translated. The article basically talks about how singing like axl did - with the rasp done on his throat instead of his soft palate - was very harmful for his vocal chords and he had to go through surgeries to recover from knots on his vocal chords, and that is why he canceled some tours and had to change his way of singing because of "doctor's recommendations". Other than that he only talks about vocal techniques and stuff like that... The thing is...I've been following this band for god knows how long and I've never heard anything about Axl's undergoing surgeries on his vocal chords. He also didn't provide any sources for these statements... I call it bullshit. But yeah, the part he talks about singing techniques is actually almost worth reading. http://whiplash.net/materias/biografias/200844-gunsnroses.html Quote from: By Google Translator because I'm out of time to translate this right now, but you can have an idea The fact is that , to use the drive without prior study of technique, Axl severely damaged his vocal cords . Even in 1993 shows , we could already see Axl with a much weaker than in previous years voice. The drive resulted in nodules ( calluses ) on the vocal cords of Axl . Possibly , this was the main reason for getting so many years without Axl sing live , between 1994 and 2001 . Between 1997 and 1999 , he recorded most of the vocals on the live album Live Era in the studio and it was a noticeable change in his voice, but was still recognizable and the drive was still there , over dosed , it is true , but it was there . In 2000 he played Dead Flowers with Gilby Clarke and his voice was still recognizable , he was still enjoying the drive . Anyway , after this presentation with Gilby , Axl decided to undergo a surgery for the removal of these nodules . This type of surgery have as a repair , and calluses of the vocal cords leave the cleaner voice , and the rasp ( strident , hoarseness ) voice is dissipated briefly . Exactly for this reason that in 2001 , just one year after singing with Gilby and after the infamous surgical procedure , Axl showed up at the House of Blues and Rock in Rio , as well as throughout 2002 tour , singing with a cleaner voice , having been forbidden by doctors to use drive , otherwise you could incur irreparable damage to your voice . As no longer had the power the drive gave him , Axl is forced to enhance other features such as their head voice , which has never been as consistent as your chest voice , moreover , also enhanced the use of belting . Technically , Axl had improved , but the drive was and is very much needed for several songs from Guns since Axl dwelt fans of Guns N ' Roses to hear him sing with him . About that time followed closely resembles that Axl was bombarded by criticism by the new way of singing , and perhaps this was the main reason for the cancellation of the 2002 tour . Tired from criticism of his voice on tour 2001/2002 , in 2004 , he did another surgery , this time to give greater depth to his voice , after this procedure , its got a little more treble and deep bass , giving the false impression that his voice would have recovered the stridency of previous years . Contrary medical advice , Axl went back to using drive in 2006 , but his voice did not externava more natural stridency as in the past . Many times , he sounded hoarse , stressed, superficial and without the scope of yore . Many people define as Axl sang well or not because he has used drive or not , but singing is not only used drive . Several factors have to be analyzed , extent , projection , depth , vibrato , head voice , chest voice , belting , etc. . Returning to use drive , was noticed clearly that he suffered at the shows , you could see his veins pop out of the canyon and it was feared for his health , but adore the sound that your voice was producing , returning to remember , vaguely true , the past. But it was not healthy , Axl never sang in a sustainable manner . In 2010 , many sets he sang well because he started to abuse the drive , using it on every song , but I repeat , singing is not only drive . Even with the drive , Axl found himself out of tune even more out of tune than in 2002 , when he did not use the drive , but it remained tuned in good part, as can be seen in songs such as The Blues and Madagascar . But truth be told , although not healthy for him, was spectacular for the fans, the voice that echoed Axl in 2010 , because maybe it was the year in which his voice was closer to the heydays . This does not mean that she was very good as define . Importantly , even in the heyday of Axl 's voice has never been characterized by technology, but by the power the drive gave him , was the feeling that Axl conquered fans . Yes , it is true that many songs from Guns are , say , different and strange without drive . But this is because Axl fans accustomed to it , he did not think long term. He worked hard in 2010 to keep the entire tour using the drive , but as stated earlier , did not sing in a sustainable way , and it was noticeable that used the drive through the canyon and not the soft palate , which proves that perhaps he has not found a teacher who had the courage to teach him the drive properly after their surgeries , for which he was subjected . There is also evidence that , in addition to vocal cord nodules , throughout his career, Axl has also had reflux laryngopharyngeal reflux , same problem which affected numerous vocalists such as Edu Falaschi , for example. It is possible that with every effort made between 2006 and 2010 , Axl has acquired new nodules on his vocal cords , and that because of this, it has drastically reduced the use of the drive since 2011 , having its apex in 2014 , where his voice is clean most of the time during shows . But unlike 2002 , today Axl no longer have the breath that had at that time , so we can not support and sustain the notes , as in 2002 could , therefore , today , your voice sounds worse than in 2002 , it sounds wound and without support. As a result, the tendency is that the set list for the coming years bring only songs that are his original fabric , ie , songs that give him sing only with chest voice , songs like You Is not The First, Mr Bronwstone , Bad Obsession , Knockin 'On Heavens Door , Do not Cry , Doule Talkin Jive , Down On The Farm , It's So Easy , so Fine , etc. . Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Gunner80 on April 09, 2014, 12:20:57 AM Axl is never going to sound like he did when he was 25 ever again. He should've never gave up on Gloria Bennett. She was quoted as saying Axl had the greatest breath control she'd ever taught. Throat nodules create scar tissue on the vocal cords which is permanent. I say we just enjoy Axl as is and have a blast at the shows.
If I was to offer my two cents, if he was to lose 40 pounds and get super fit it would help him with chest control. Problem is is he's constantly out of breath. Personally I think Axl sounded best live in 1993. Of course he was young and fit. I'm a trained singer so I like to think I know a little about this. And my training is never over, you have to be on top of your voice everyday. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Ali on April 09, 2014, 01:47:45 AM Axl is never going to sound like he did when he was 25 ever again. He should've never gave up on Gloria Bennett. She was quoted as saying Axl had the greatest breath control she'd ever taught. Throat nodules create scar tissue on the vocal cords which is permanent. I say we just enjoy Axl as is and have a blast at the shows. I'm a trained singer, too. And I know enough to know that you don't need great cardiovascular fitness to have good breath support. You need to practice good diaphragmatic breathing. The only points I see in which the fitness being an issue is when he's trying to sing while moving around a lot.If I was to offer my two cents, if he was to lose 40 pounds and get super fit it would help him with chest control. Problem is is he's constantly out of breath. Personally I think Axl sounded best live in 1993. Of course he was young and fit. I'm a trained singer so I like to think I know a little about this. And my training is never over, you have to be on top of your voice everyday. A lot of breath support is about knowing exactly how much breath support you need for a given phrase. My longest and best teacher always told me to memorize my breathing the way I would memorize the lyrics to a song. The article is interesting as an opinion, but it sounds completely speculative without any factual basis or verifiable sources for the claims being made. Ali Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Koskenkorvasieni on April 09, 2014, 02:56:27 AM Axl is what..52 years old already? It's only natural that your voice changes over the years, it's happened to the best of them. Rob Halford, David Coverdale, Bruce Dickinson, Ian Gillan, James LaBrie, Robert Plant...singing high and loud puts a lot of strain on the voice. I think he's singing pretty well for someone who screamed his lungs out for the last 30 years. He should just get in better shape. And FFS lose the moustache! ;D
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: overmatik on April 09, 2014, 03:38:03 AM Axl is what..52 years old already? It's only natural that your voice changes over the years, it's happened to the best of them. Rob Halford, David Coverdale, Bruce Dickinson, Ian Gillan, James LaBrie, Robert Plant...singing high and loud puts a lot of strain on the voice. I think he's singing pretty well for someone who screamed his lungs out for the last 30 years. He should just get in better shape. And FFS lose the moustache! ;D This. All this talk of changing voices only made me think about Dio and how his voice was still so powerful even at 67. The greatest metal singer ever by a mile above all the others! :peace: Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Poops Magee on April 09, 2014, 03:43:19 AM I feel like what I'm looking for in the vocals is strength, not the vocal fry that people seem to worship. And I like many, feel that the strength is hit and miss with the guy. But it is there on quite a few songs! For instance, 'Nice Boys' has been sounding awesome and 'The Seeker' is right in his wheel house. Both are different in singing style and both are sung very well.
On the other hand, when people say 'My Michelle' is tragic I don't even click on it because I know what they mean. And 'You Could Be Mine' has been tough to enjoy lately-the aforementioned know what I mean. Also, there are other annoyances from the various new lineups that ruin songs for me just as much, (e.g. drumming on November Rain-Brain, drumming on Brownstone/It's so easy-Frank, SCOM-Robin, Patience-DJ, etc.) But I gotta say, I just watched the last Buenos Aires show with a nice Argentinian Malbec (looking forward I guess), and I was captivated. I mean, the crowd was absolutely going ape-shit and the whole group had total swagger on stage. I mean real swagger like they were gonna start throwing back stage passes to chicks in the front row! Were you guys watching when Axl leaned over and motioned to have Duff sing harmony on Civil War?! Ah, those are the rock moments I live for! So when all is said and done, I rank this show right up there as one of the best this lineup has produced. As a person who was lucky enough to see Axl n' Izzy rock together (2006), I know what the audience must have been feeling. The challenge for this band will be to keep the momentum going once Duff has said adieu. And who knows, maybe Duff will "accidentally" leave a pilates book in Axl's dressing room. ;) Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: Koskenkorvasieni on April 09, 2014, 04:27:01 AM Axl is what..52 years old already? It's only natural that your voice changes over the years, it's happened to the best of them. Rob Halford, David Coverdale, Bruce Dickinson, Ian Gillan, James LaBrie, Robert Plant...singing high and loud puts a lot of strain on the voice. I think he's singing pretty well for someone who screamed his lungs out for the last 30 years. He should just get in better shape. And FFS lose the moustache! ;D This. All this talk of changing voices only made me think about Dio and how his voice was still so powerful even at 67. The greatest metal singer ever by a mile above all the others! :peace: Well, you have to admit that even Dio's voice aged during his later years, but you're right he did have amazing power in his voice to the very end. :peace: Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on April 17, 2014, 12:32:24 PM Well,
I am sure Jarmo will ban this but I wanted to know everyone's thoughts on where we go from here! Axl's voice seems truly finished in the sense of the RASP and Power he had in 2010. I thought that Paraguay was solid, but the last show went downhill. Overall I give Axl a 7 out of 10, but I cannot lie and say I do not want to see him again. I still love the shows. I do wish he had more power as he clearly cannot perform at the same level as a few years ago, but nevertheless, I am still a die hard fan. I also wish he would change up the setlist for Vegas. It seems he is reluctant to try any variety! Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 17, 2014, 12:36:53 PM I'll always be a diehard fan, but its long past time to revise expectations. Its never going to be what it was, or even close, but some nights are better than others.
And yes, this thread will be moved. If not lost altogether. Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: jarmo on April 17, 2014, 12:39:06 PM How many threads are you gonna start about the same thing?
/jarmo Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 17, 2014, 01:12:28 PM Less voice threads. More altitude threads.
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: jarmo on April 17, 2014, 01:38:55 PM Less voice threads. More altitude threads. Are you watching altitude sickness videos on Youtube so you can comment about what it's like to perform a rock concert in La Paz? Because it's weird how football teams travel to La Paz and don't perform as well as they do in other places. Everybody knows about the altitude when the game is scheduled... Yeah, it's weird how a La Paz show thread would mention the attitude and air. Wow! /jarmo Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on April 17, 2014, 02:25:09 PM Very weird.
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: gunsbetterthanever on May 18, 2014, 02:50:58 PM The clips from Bethlehem are amazing. His voice is really powerful, and it is really is amazing how he comes back strong. I am looking for Rock on The Range clips, but have found little. But he is amazing on DC and end of Rocket Queen and a bunch of others! Anyone agree there is a diff since South America?
Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on May 19, 2014, 07:05:07 PM He sounds better, yes.
DJ is all over the place in some of these clips though. Seen 'Paradise City' from Rock On The Range? Title: Re: What do you think of Axl's voice right now? Post by: D-GenerationX on June 09, 2014, 10:22:38 AM By the end of the residency, he sounded great. Some of his best work in years.
But, elephant in the room, why do we accept that? Him not being ready for any tour and using the first handful of shows to "get warmed up" is totally unprofessional and out of line. You are charging money for these shows, are you not? If you take the first show or two in SA in March, and compare it to the last few shows in Vegas in June, its like 2 different guys. Why should fans in Vegas get a top notch performance and fans in SA get pissed on? This is not right. |