Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Club Nokia
Los Angeles, CA

April 23, 2014


GUNS N? ROSES
To perform live and Axl Rose to receive the "Ronnie James Dio Lifetime Achievement" award.

JOAN JETT
To perform live and make history as the first female to receive the "Golden God Award"

ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCES INCLUDE:
- KORN
- A DAY TO REMEMBER
- ZAKK WYLDE
- THE PRETTY RECKLESS
-OTHERS TO BE ANNOUNCED?

This year?s Ronnie James Dio Lifetime Achievement Award will go to hard-rock legend and Guns N? Roses frontman Axl Rose, with Rose taking his place in the REVOLVER GOLDEN GODS hall of fame alongside such previous honorees as Metallica, Rush, M?tley Cr?e, Lemmy Kilmister of Mot?rhead and Ozzy Osbourne.  Guns N? Roses are one of the most celebrated acts in music history with sales of more than 100 million albums worldwide and continue to tour annually, headlining sold-out stadium shows and festivals across the globe.

(http://www.revolvermag.com/goldengods2014/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/GOLDEN-GODS-AD-W-BAND-LOGOS_web.jpg)

http://www.revolvermag.com/goldengods2014/
http://www.revolvermag.com/news/2014-revolver-golden-gods-announced.html

Event Info
Doors Open: 6:30PM
Price: $85.00 - $666.00 / Tickets: http://www.axs.com/events/248802/revolver-golden-gods-tickets
Onsale: to General Public:  Fri, Feb 28, 2014 - 10:00AM PST / Goldenvoice/AMEX Presale: Thursday, February 27th at 10am EST

nice!

Great !

Very cool.

Congrats to Axl for the award!



/jarmo

Excellent! Is this usually recorded?

Might have last year's award show on the site.
http://www.axs.tv/

this is really fucking cool.... and good exposure for this version of GNR

the lifetime achievement award for Axl ... that really is awesome



it would REALLLY BE A GREAT SPOT to introduce a brand new song too....

Was thinking the exact same thing.  : ok:

Congrats to Axl, this is exciting!

fkn fantastic!!  really cool for Axl to get a lifetime achievement award - totally deserved  :beer: and GnR performing as well - gonna be a great event!

It'll be great promotion/exposure for the band.
Something for all you who have been demanding more promotion.

We have a tour starting in about 2.5 weeks, we have a 3D movie on its way, we have an awards show appearance and US shows followed by a residency. Lots of things going on. Exciting times for all GN'R fans.


/jarmo

Agreed.  2014 is shaping up to be a fantastic year for the band.  Between this, the tour, and the Movie/DVD this is absolutely shaping up to be a year to remember.  Can't wait!

You cant help yourself and take a shot for those of us who "demand" things....lol

but yes if you follow Axl , the immediate future is bright

You gotta be able to laugh at yourself.  :P

 :hihi:



/jarmo

Indeed.  This is what we were talking about all these years, stuff like this.

This is great news.  Even better that he is not only going, but they are performing.

All good stuff, no doubt.

It's too bad this wasn't last year when Slash won guitar player of the year or something like that hahaha

like you said Jarmo... you gotta laugh  ;D


this isnt on tv right? but there is an internet feed or something?

Great! =) Never heard about the Ronnie James Dio Lifetime Achievement Award before, but it sound good =) Is this an award that has been made after he's death?

Your attempt at humor is very close to trolling.
Please don't try it again.   




/jarmo

Great news for Axl!!!! :beer:

GNR's been represented well at this event lately...DJ won guitar hero of the year 2 years ago, I think Bumblefoot presented an award last year and now this...awesome!

Would be awesome if they covered Holy Diver

This is gonna be a great year for GNR and their fans  ;D

To be fair Axl should have had more of these awards. Why have MTV turn there back on him?


Anyway... Roll on the next few weeks  :beer:

MTV turned their back on music. Period.  :hihi:




/jarmo

So true.  YouTube is the only place people go to see music videos nowdays.  Success is now tracked with "hits", not goofy top 10 lists.

And wouldn't it be cheaper to have a few hour long video blocks?

Already got my ticket  ;D

Ha, True.

This was pretty epic when Axl introduced The Killers. Think this was the last award show Axl was at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amxaFT3lsSs

Yeah, had to sit through that whole damn show to see him. 

Worth it though.  Always liked how he strutted out there so defiantly.  A real "yeah, I'm still here, motherfuckers" sort of vibe. 

Nailed that scream too.

Congrats to Axl!!!I think this really says a lot about Axl's determination to succeed at all costs. The guy overcame abuse as a child and really was tough minded. That says a lot about his character. I may not always agree with him, BUT W. Axl Rose  will always be a huge influence on helping me overcome my disability and stereotypes!

A great honor for Axl I am looking forward to this and it will be some nice exposure. 

would be cool if they performed a new song, be cool to debut a new one at a show like this!! either way im very happy for Axl, really looking forward to watching this.

You are 100% correct MTV has turned itself into a "reality" network..Perhaps if Axl and company rented a house on the Jersey Shore they would get some airtime on this once prominent music orientated network..

Anyway, Axl deserves all the recognition for his body of work, and at least they are giving the award to him instead of to the band.

Axl has a unique walk, more noticable in his younger years.  :hihi:
Congratulations to Axl for this award, he deserves it after being in the music industry since the 80s - something he wanted to do as a child & probably made it bigger than he ever imagined he would.
I hope it is viewable for those of us overseas, even if someone films it from their tv & sticks it on youtube. Would love to see him receive this.  :love:

It's on TV. Fuse I think, or one of those music stations. Not sure when they air it. Don't think it's live. But I taped last years. All 3 hours worth. I believe each performer gets to play a few songs as well.

     Totally awesome!  My 2 favorite lead singers of all time- Dio's death hit me hard- thank god i saw Dio's last 2 shows of his life with Heaven & Hell- he could still belt it out at 67 & like Axl, gave every performance %1000 no matter how he felt. I feel like Axl is improving with age also.

Congrats Axl!  :beer:

This is wonderful news and I will be attending!

This is awesome! It's so cool that the band is performing--this is a GREAT opportunity to show off the "new" lineup. I'm pretty excited about this! It would be cool to see Axl singing "Holy Diver", but i'm just happy that they'll be playing anything. Definitely exciting times coming up for GnR fans!!!
:beer:

thanks... good info !

After some googling, it seems like last year's event might have been live on AXS, and possibly online.
I didn't see it so I cant say for sure.




/jarmo

That may have been where I saw it. Didn't know if it was live or not but it was pretty raw so I could buy that. I had it on my DVR forever and actually just watched it a few months ago. That would be awesome if it was live again. Maybe this could open up the opportunity for them to do this kind of thing more often. Fallon, Kimmel, Letterman, SNL. All would be great, but first things first.

I remember watching it, as I recall it was live online and on AXS.

Is the same event that Sixx am & Slash (with Alice Cooper as guest) performed at on 2012? I remember seeing that online.

Well, here's a concern: Slash has an album coming out later this Spring.  I really, really hope he won't try to show up to create some media hype, etc.  I wonder if Guns/Axl being there stipulated upon Slash not being there, contract wise...

Spring?

I thought I heard on the radio just this past week they hope to have it out by year's end.  Not by month's end.

Supposedly,he has been a guest at this event every year they have had it , if I had to guess his participation was probably discussed/banned when GNR negotiated this

really looking forward to Axl giving some kind of speech ! im sure it will be very entertaining, maybe even a giraffe reference !

You could be right.  Last I heard it was late Spring.

Tickets are now on sale: http://www.axs.com/events/248802/revolver-golden-gods-tickets



/jarmo

Wonder who will present the award to Axl?? Is it the kind of awards show where the winners of this award from previous year do the honours - in which case would that be Metallica?  or would the show's host present it? 

Congratulations Axl !!!

 :beer:

I kinda doubt that it will be Metallica.....




/jarmo

I could see Lars making the trip over there to do it.  I would rather see a young band who was influenced by GNR do it.  I don't know who will be there.  I would say Avenged Sevenfold but they are oddly not going to be there despite being nominated for practically every award.  Woulnd't mind seeing A Day to Remember do it.

We do have actual confirmation that he will be attending, right?  We are agreed on that?

Oh shit, I didn't even think of that.

I think likely though.  Rumor has it he was very close to attending the Hall of Fame, but nothing could be worked out.

...and, that's why I bring it up.  I want to be clear ahead of time so there are no misunderstandings.

Considering Guns N' Roses are performing at the event.....





/jarmo

So we are on record.  I thought we were, but was looking to clarify.

I guess some didn't read the press release...

GUNS N' ROSES TO PERFORM LIVE AND AXL ROSE TO RECEIVE THE 
?RONNIE JAMES DIO LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT? AWARD



/jarmo

All sounds good.

Anybody making some kind of comparisons to past events isn't paying attention.

This event is listed on the official web site along with all the other upcoming shows. It's not just some award show where they decide who should be on stage and who shouldn't.
GN'R is playing and Axl is getting an award.




/jarmo

Cool-cool-cool.  I look forward to it.

Any thoughts on what will be played ?
Last year Metallica played 3 songs i think,one with Halford.
I go for one new and unheard song,one out of CD and possibly Paradise City to end the whole show.And everyone is happy  ;D

I wouldn't really fault them not doing a new song at this thing.

Unless its one they play each night on the tour first.  If its a regular part of the setlist.

Makes very little sense to play a new track unless you have scheduled its release by that time.

I understand that it makes sense for fans because it means hearing a new track, but in the big picture.... Maybe not?
It would certainly create some buzz though....




/jarmo

Yeah, I agree.  Its more of a casual show.

That said, so was the VMAs in 2002.  But we still got some 'Madagascar'.

Exactly. That was 2002. This is now.

But using Jarmo's rationale, why did we get 'Madagascar'?  Was a release imminent?  No.  It was still 6 years away.

I cant believe that was 12 years ago already, man time flies.  The cool thing about that is that they sandwiched "Madagascar" in between 2 of their biggest hits.  If they were to play a new song or part of a new song that would be the way to do it.  .  That way the casual fan is happy they saw the hits and we can all go nuts over whatever new song they just played, which was exactly what we did in 2002.  Although in 2002 I think it is safe to say they could have come out and played "My World" and we would have been just as excited.  :hihi:

Yes, but they were actively playing that song live at the time.  It would make no sense to play a new song at this thing without releasing it on itunes or at the very least have it in the set list for the upcoming shows.

I thought a new song meant something we haven't heard. My mistake.

Part of Madagascar was played at the VMAs, true. But many of us had heard it already. I personally remember hearing it the first time on a Brazilian RealAudio stream of the gig at Rock In Rio in January 2001... Not exactly a high quality stream.  :hihi:


/jarmo

Maybe it's just fond memories but I remember loving that stream.

If the whole "three new songs being played live" rumour is true, maybe we'll get something - even if it's not a brand new track but just a song they've dusted off. It's a pretty good way to get buzz going since the media would pick up on it.

Same thing as Madagascar is Going Down. Will it count as new ?  Most hardcore fans have heard it months now.

It wasn't played live previously, unlike Madagascar which was a staple in the set in Europe in 2002 (before VMAs).




/jarmo

Yeah, but as a leak of suspect quality.

I think it would still qualify as a big deal if it became part of their set this month.

I always wondered why Axl played TWAT, IRS and Better at Hammerstein.   These songs were only known via the leaks. 

Annie and Bitty Ted will be attending this show!

Jungle, Child, City.

And that is what fueled the speculation that the band perhaps released them on the sly.  Because if they were supposedly so incensed, why did they happen to play the songs that leaked, and even make jokes about it?

Personally, I never really bought that the band was really behind them and played dumb.  But circumstantially, you can see how it looked that way.

I'm really looking forward to this show. If I had to guess the set I'll say CD, jungle, whole lotta Rosie with zakk wylde, mama kin with Sebastian & Steven Tyler, PC with a lot of guest jamming it with them. I'm gonna guess Sebastian & Lars present the award to him. Either way its gonna be a fun festive night. I will be there with the usual posse. So Annie & who ever else is going. come up & say hello.  Also what tax did u get? We got pit tixs. (Dont push me too hard, I'm still injured.) Lol.

Bitty Ted and I will be in the VIP balcony. Hey Jesse can you take pictures inside the venue? Bitty Ted wants to make videos with cool people that we meet.

Of course we will take pics. We'll have tony with us too, & I'm pretty sure he takes a OK pic. Lol, balcony???? U guys should rough it in the pit with us!!! Dont you wanna be close enough to see Jonathan Davis lip sync?? Sorry korn fans!!! Its sad but true.

We never do the floor except for the Brooklyn Bowl.  :hihi: And that night Tommy Stinson wanted me to give Bitty Ted to Axl. Which was not happening. :hihi: Besides I'm wearing my beautiful blue Elsa/FROZEN inspired dress and I dont want beer spilled on it. :beer:

I am so lost on this Bitty Ted biz.

he is a miniature version of TED from the awesome movie of the same name. I like to make silly videos with him. Hot chicks love him and we have all sorts of adventures together. He even has his own facebook page and he wrote some totally awesome DEXTER fan fiction. You may laugh but TOMMY called out to us several times from the stage!

I wouldn't worry about it.
I guess it's kinda like the Log Lady in Twin Peaks, except in real life and with a teddy bear (because of the movie Ted)...



/jarmo

What is log lady?  Its just a fun creative project for an aspiring artist. the photographer at SOUTHFORK ranch told me I had real talent. And he was friends with the late great Larry Hagman.

I got a life size ted that sits on my couch in the living room. I will buy a life size regan Mac Neil one day too. ( she's purdy).  But I hear ya on getting beer spilled on you, it sucks. But not as bad as getting pissed on in the pit. (Don't ask, Dont tell). How long are you gonna be here for Annie? Any who we shall take many pics. I'll take a pic of tony taking a pic of jarmo, taking a pic of kat,  taking a pic of gnr. (See I can multitask).

Ah Twin Peaks. That I can understand. Love me some David Lynch.

Unlike the Log Lady who carries a log and it talks to her, in this case it's a teddy bear... Almost the same! ;)  :hihi:



Regarding who presents the award... Maybe somebody who was influenced by Axl?





/jarmo

Jarmo and KAt are both great photographers.  Just coming to LA for 2 nights. It's a little crazy but I think it will be a magical night like the Brooklyn Bowl

Thanks!



/jarmo

Hey Annie, Dont forget tony in there!! It'll be a fun night. I hope the band has fun with this show.  As far as the presenter of the award. I would say if it was a young guy, I'd pick m. Shadows. But a7x are on tour, so they won't be there. My guess is its gonna be someone established.  I went with Sebastian & Lars. But for me it doesn't matter who gives him the award. Its gonna be one grand night.

Reporting in.  Got a ticket for VIP pit section!!  I know this is a weird question but, anybody know if there's a dress code for the event?  Was planning on wearing my November 23rd/Best Buy CD shirt from the record release shows (went to Detroit location).  GOD I'M SO PSYCHED!!!!!!!!!

I'll put my chips on M. Shadows then.....

Avenged sevenfold are on tour & playing a show the same night I believe. So they will not be there. 

Then I've lost my chips....

suit and tie affair.

can't wait to see Jarmo in one : ok:

Joan Jett, Axl Rose to receive top Golden Gods awards

As for Rose receiving his top honor, Revolver editor Brandon Geist says that decision wasn?t too tough. A few years back, the magazine compiled a list of the 100 greatest living rock stars, and though they weren?t ranked, it was unanimous around the office that Rose would have been No. 1.

?He?s just cool and he sang on arguably the best hard rock record ever recorded,? Geist says, referring to the 1987 release ?Appetite for Destruction.? Geist notes that in a time when most artists are oversharing via social networking, Rose has maintained a ?Howard Hughes-ian mystique.?

?I think he?s more fascinating because of it,? Geist says. ?He still has that element of danger and the unknown about him, which is what you want in your rock stars, particularly in an age where rock ?n? roll has become so not dangerous.?

http://www.ocregister.com/soundcheck/golden-610253-best-year.html

Golden Gods to Air in May on VH1 Classic; Axl Rose and Joan Jett Lead Honorees

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6055401/golden-gods-to-air-in-may-on-vh1-classic-axl-rose-and-joan-jett-lead-honorees

Looking forward to Axl coming back and listening to pro shot recording!

Axl and me almost 3 hours after the show:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/24bjmac.jpg)

I want a picture like that....although i would probably be to scared to ask.

Awesome picture!  Getting a smile with a fan is rare.

Ron via twitter:

"Back in LA last night, back to songwriting madness... :) See you all at #GoldenGods soon :)"

https://twitter.com/bumblefoot/status/457590187271262208

I would be so nervous to be photographed with Axl.  It will never happen so I just enjoy seeing others. 

Sorry guys, I put my picture with Axl on this wrong topic instead of about the Fortaleza show. :hihi:

Axl is smiling because when I touched his back he said: This guy wanna touch my ass! and laughed! ;D ;D ;D

3 more days!!! Bitty Ted and I are so excited!!!
 :beer: :smoking: :love:

wait, what happened. u talked to axl, omg.

Is Duff playing the Golden Gods?  Facebook just posted a picture of Axl and Duff saying, Who Else Is Excited to See This Wednesday?

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/duff-mckagan-guns-n-roses-golden-gods-awards/

Maybe a guest appearance?

Its going to be on tv??
Im new to the golden gods, do they show the whole show or just the ceremony?

I read it?s gonna be live stream on vh1.com. Then broacast May 24th on vh1 classics. The live stream will be 4 hours so I guess it?s the full show. The T.V. broadcast later probably not.

Very interesting that Duff will be performing with Axl at this award show.

Duff will be there! It's confirmed.

Tommy won't be on tour... Is he out and Duff in??  I know he had conflicts in SA, I see no conflict now..

It may be to boost ticket sales.  Last year, the event sold out within hours.  There are still quite a few tickets available...

Apr 18, 2014

http://www.revolvermag.com/featured/2014-golden-gods-tickets-on-sale-now.html

I hope Tommy is playing too. I would be surprised if Duff wants to join the band again permanently and really don't want Tommy to leave.

Anyone know where this came from/source?

Translated from Spanish:

Duff with GN'R in Revolver Golden Gods Awards

After his involvement in the South American Tour, Duff McKagan touch with Guns N 'Roses in the Revolver Golden Gods Awards.
The event took place on Wednesday in Los Angeles (at 23:3) where Axl Rose will receive the "Ronnie James Dio Lifetime Achievement" award.
The reason for the absence of Tommy Stinson on the presentation of the Revolver Golden Gods is the bassist has a medical problem in his rib, but will return to Guns N 'Roses concert in Pennsylvania on May 13.

http://inthejungle.fr.yuku.com/topic/28356/23042014-Club-Nokia-Revolver-Golden-Gods-Los-Angeles?page=-1#.U1XRTvldWa8

I don't buy that.  If this was a GN'R solo show, I think that would be more likely, but for a event like this, I don't see what the incentive would be for GN'R to agree to this.

Furthermore, this may have been the plan all along if you consider this quote:

"Stinson, who will be back in the GNR bass saddle on May 13 in Bethlehem, Pa."

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=2340

Ali

I was talking about a guest spot to boost sales.  Not replace Tommy??

I agree with the quote, this was all planned out.

If Tommy doesn't have any conflicts, why would they have Duff play at this event and have Tommy return on May 13th?

Tommy has a rib injury.

That's what I posted a few posts back.  Do you have a source?  That would make sense then, Duff filling in again.  Hopefully nothing serious.

Who knows, and what does it matter anyway?

If Tommy was going to return for the next full show, then this was always the plan.

Ali

What does it matter anyway?  I doesn't make any sense.

If Tommy is injured and Duff is filling in - that article was posted on April 2nd.  So it wasn't always the plan.

Reread the article. It states that Tommy would rejoin for the PA show. If the article is correct, this was always the plan.

Given that no official confirmation of any injury has been made, I don't see how that ca be assumed to be part of anything.

Ali

I posted the interview.  I've read it.


This would be the next full show on the GN'R schedule so it makes sense that Billboard would say that.

Why does this "always" have to be the plan?

If you've read the article (because you posted it), then you're familiar with the quote I cited, correct?

Then, consider the fact that perhaps the Billboard article wasn't only considering full GN'R shows.  The quote I cited would then include and consider the Golden Gods performance.

 Tommy didn't have any direct conflicts with the show in Buenos Aires on 04/06, did he?  The first Coachella show was on 04/11.  Yet, he still missed that show.

It doesn't have to "always" be the case.  Perhaps this was a last minute decision due to Tommy's injury.

But, perhaps it wasn't.

Ali

It looks like there are three scenarios.  Duff will be appearing as a guest player with Tommy, Tommy is injured and Duff is filling in, or they have decided for some reason to use Duff for this show instead of Tommy.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Watch the Revolver Golden Gods Live in Its Entirety Tomorrow!

Apr 22, 2014

The 2014 Revolver Golden Gods goes down tomorrow, April 23., with performances by Guns N? Roses joined by Duff McKagan, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Zakk Wylde, The Pretty Reckless, and more!

Tickets are still available at axs.com, but if you aren?t able to make it in person, you can still watch the show live in its entirety. Find out who is taking home this year?s Golden Gods Awards and check out all of the show-stopping moments and once-in-a-lifetime collaborations live on April 23 with the ?Black Carpet? pre-show action kicking off at 10 PM ET/7 PM PT on Amazon, VH1.com, VH1Classic.com and the VH1 app.

http://www.revolvermag.com/featured/watch-the-revolver-golden-gods-live-in-its-entirety-tomorrow.html

GOLDEN GODS 2014: GUNS N' ROSES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjzTR_9gpHM

Exactly.

All I'm saying is that perhaps that Billboard article was accurate, as in completely accurate including the Golden Gods show, and for whatever reason, Duff was slated to play this show.

Ali

So who is the bass player in this band?

Why is there not a Million posts about this?

Doesn't this seem super strange to anybody, how did Tommy get hurt and where did that come from?

Maybe Axl really just adored playing with his old friend and kicked Tommy to the curb is that really possible?

There are a lot of questions about this

You seem focused on the part of the Billboard article that says Tommy will be back on May 13th, which is the next full show on tour.  But you're ignoring the part where they say more than once that Duff is reuniting for 5 shows in South America.  Were is the mention of Duff joining the band for the Golden Gods Awards?  That's pretty big news.  Did Billboard miss that?

This seems to be a recent development, for whatever reason.  If it was planned all along why would they announce it a few days before the show when there are still tickets to be sold?  Revolver has been making a big push to sell tickets.

Are we arguing this point because if it was planned all along, thing are going according to plans?  If it was sudden, then something is "up" like some of the other sites are suggesting?

Does anyone know what time the GNR performance starts? I would like to allow my son Jim watch the performance but it could be a late night. 

Where is the mention of the Golden Gods in that article at all?

I'm not sure this is a recent development.  As I said before, All I'm saying is that perhaps that Billboard article was accurate, as in completely accurate including the Golden Gods show, and for whatever reason, Duff was slated to play this show.

I don't buy the ticket sales angle.  If this was a GN'R show, I'd understand your point.

I think this point is being argued because some people want to believe this is suggestive of some larger issue, when it may not be.  It may be a guest appearance, it may be an injury replacement issue, or for whatever reason, it may have been the plan all along (as incomprehensible as that seems).

Ali

Maybe someone should call Scully & Mulder to get to the bottom of this.

Why does it have to be such a big deal?  I saw pics of Tommy and Duff playing/practicing together before Duff took over.  Everything looked cool on both sides.  I don't think its really that big of a deal.  Maybe they will both play.  GnR isn't afraid of filling a stage....

If Duff playing at the GG was part of the deal from the get go (I still don?t understand why we care if it was or wasn?t) then don?t you think it would have been mentioned when it was announced that Duff would be temporarily rejoining Guns?  Instead, every single article on the subject noted that Duff would be playing 5 shows as part of the SA Tour.  If he was also slated to play at the GG at that time, it would?ve been mentioned.

I think it?s clear that this developed after the fact.  I don?t know/care/have any conspiracy theories why, I just know it will be cool to see them together on U.S. soil.

The problem is that the article in question which actually included quotes from Tommy and also stated he would be back for the PA show.  The issue is whether or not that was including or not including the Golden Gods show.  That detail would determine how clear it is when this was decided.

Ali

Exactly.  If it was the plan at the time the article was written, Billboard would have mentioned it. :D


I'm talking as a guest player.  Why not, they have brought Duff in before.


I thought so.  Unfortunately, as usual, we are all guessing in the absence of any information.  We may know more tomorrow, we may not. :-\

My point was that they didn't mention the Golden Gods in that Billboard article at all.  So, I'm not sure you can say if this was the plan all along, that point would've been included.  It may not have been a point of discussion at all in the course of the interview with Tommy.

I don't buy that GN'R would bring Duff in to benefit the ticket sales of an awards show.  I don't know the economics, but the financial incentive to do so is certainly not as clear as it would be for a full GN"R show.

We don't have any information.  It certainly doesn't help that others on other sites are fanning the flames questioning whether or not this is of larger significance.

Ali

Can you even consider the Golden Gods a "show" ??
Is it a "reception of an award with a performance" and not a "GNR Show" ??

The analysis is really gone to far on something as simple as symantics.

I welcome Duff, I welcome Tommy, I welcome anyone that wants to play and support the continuation of GNR music.

Maybe not for economic reasons, but this show is being broadcast.  Club Nokia only has 7,000 seats and the upper 5 sections are still open.


I agree. :hihi:

Well, then the perhaps the economically interested parties are more Revolver and VH1 if the concern is the appearance of the event during the broadcast.

Ali

I had that wrong. This award ceremony is at Club Nokia, not the Nokia Theater, so the seating capacity is only 2,300 not 7,000. 

So one of the mods at MYGNR is confirming Tommy's injury.  Is that what's being said?

You don?t think the band has a vested interest in making sure it?s sold out?  Axl is the main attraction at the GG.  It wouldn?t look good for him or the band if there?s empty seats, especially if this sort of thing has been sold out in the past (I have no clue if it has or not). 

Having a sold out and energetic audience (in the U.S.) would say a lot about the viability of Axl and Guns in 2014.  Likewise, having a half-filled, apathetic audience would too.  Point is, I think the band cares about having a packed house.

Who knows if Duff was brought in to sell more tickets?  It certainly can?t hurt, but we have no clue if that was the motivating factor.  And when people have no clue (and an internet connection) the conspiracy theories begin.  My take:  who cares why Duff was brought in?  He?ll be there, so let?s enjoy it.  Period.

Your point about the attendance or enthusiasm towards this show being indicative of the attendance and enthusiasm for GN'R would make more sense if this was a GN'R only show.  This is an awards show and as such there are multiple performers, including The Pretty Reckless, Joan Jett and Suicide Silence.  So, how can you attribute the attendance or lack thereof to any one performer or presenter?

Ali

"Guns N? Roses are slated to headline the 2014 Revolver Golden Gods Awards."

Eddie Trunk:

4/22: GREETINGS FROM LA AND THE GOLDEN GODS AWARDS.

Greetings from Los Angeles. Here for a couple more days to host the Golden Gods Awards with Don & Jim tomorrow. Just came from rehearsal at Club Nokia. Should be a great night tomorrow with many stars from rock music as well as TV and movies in attendance. Looks like Nick Cage is giving Axl Rose his award tomorrow and Duff McKagan is going to play once again witb GnR. Duff is not fully in Guns, just filling in while Tommy Stinson performs with The Replacements. Should be cool to see Duff on stage with Guns once again though. They are going to play up to as many as eight songs tomorrow night I?m told.  Zakk Wylde and Joan Jett are among the other performers scheduled. Tons of artists attending and giving or getting awards. Me, Don and Jim will host and also do some backstage interviews that will be seen during the TV telecast. Many have asked me how this can all be seen? It will be streamed live tomorrow as it happens on www.vh1classic.com starting at 8PM Pacific/11 ET (pre show 1 hour before). Then an edited version of the event will air on VH1C May 24th at 8PM ET. I?m sure many repeat airings after that on both VH1C and Palladia. I?ll keep you guys posted best I can via my Twitter as the night unfolds @EddieTrunk I?ve attended this show several times since it happened but this is my first time as a host for it and it should be a blast and hopefully a great celebration of hard rock and metal! More soon.

http://eddietrunk.com/422-greetings-from-la-and-the-golden-gods-awards/

Why not. I would like to see him go, but of course not as much I would like to see DJ go. But the biggest thing would be to get Duff back, so more than anything I would like to see Tommy go. Also I would prefer it if Brain would return from his leave of absence, so I would like to see Frank out too.

So:
Axl = Axl
Tommy < Duff
DJ&Bfoot < Buckethead
Frank < Brain
Richard = Richard
Pittm?n < a keg of beer and Paul Tobias
Dizzy = Dizzy

And voila! A new new gnr lineup would be born.

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Excited...  : ok:

Nick Cage giving the award, that's pretty funny. is he a known Gun's fan?

8 songs....WOW  :o

I would have thought 3.  I think the trick is to watch the stream, because I bet they edit it down on the rebrodcasts.
I'm in airports the next two days, so here's hoping the internet is sufficient.

I'm surprised its Cage given what Jarmo posted earlier....

Cool though.

sorry the dumbass question, but nick cage > nickolas cage? the actor?
If so, AWSOME! haha

Thank you Funky Monkey.  This is, for intents and purposes, a mini-GnR show.  Yes, there are other bands, but is anyone else billed as the headliner, and will anyone else play 8 songs? 

Note:  I think it?s great that Axl and Guns are being recognized as the headliners for this.  He has an opportunity tonight (through playing and what I hope is an entertaining acceptance speech) to remind folks that Guns is still around.  This could be a catalyst for building some positive momentum. 

That?s why I think it?s important for them to have a packed house and an energetic crowd. 

This is not a mini-GN'R show.  It is the Revolver Magazine Golden Gods Awards, and is billed as such.  Like I said, your point about the attendance or enthusiasm towards this show being indicative of the attendance and enthusiasm for GN'R would make more sense if this was a GN'R only show.  It simply isn't, so I don't buy that argument.

There is no confirmation that GN'R will play 8 songs.  That was just Eddie Trunk passing along a rumor.

Ali

Regardless if its a GNR show or not...

i cant believe they are having trouble selling out 2500 tickets or so....you would think with all the different bands there that each fanbase would want to be in the building

If a Google search doesn't fail, I think so  ;D

Watch a live stream of Revolver Golden Gods on April 23rd at 7pm PST. http://amazon.com/goldengods




/jarmo

Is it free & works in Finland?  :)  Looks like I'll be up at 5am  :hihi:

Jarmo do you know what time GNR will take the stage?   Thanks!

Golden Gods Awards Livestream Tonight: See Guns N? Roses, Joan Jett And More Rock L.A.!

You can livestream the entire 4-hour event on VH1.com,  VH1Classic.com, VH1 Mobile and the VH1 App starting at 10 pm ET / 7pm PT to see live performances from Guns N? Roses, Joan Jett, Zakk Wylde and more plus an exclusive Black Carpet pre-show hosted by Twisted Sister?s Dee Snider.

http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2014-04-23/livestream-golden-gods-awards-tonight/

I don't disagree with that.  It is surprising.

I just don't think it reflects as what the reaction to what a GN'R show would be any more than say Rock on the Range.  Even though GN'R are headlining these events, it isn't a GN'R show only.



Ali

Well, I don't think it bodes well.

It might explain why the "US Tour" this time around is a residence in one city (where there are ticket problems), one festival (with many other supporting acts) and one random show at a small venue casino.

It might be time for us to come to grips that GNR, in its current incarnation absent anything new, is just not a draw domestically.

The current band could very well be a draw in the States.  It's just that nowadays you can only tour on the same album for 1 or 2 tour legs tops.  They've been more or less touring Chinese Democracy on and off for 13 years now.  Anyone in the States who was curious about NuGNR has already seen em, probably more than once.

Sure, things looks crazy in SA, but hell, Brett Michaels solo could probably still fill a stadium out there.  That's telling.

If he could, he would. So is he?


I know it's difficult to give credit to the band and management. I get it.
But, I know this is going to be difficult, isn't the whole idea of touring to play shows where people want to see the band? So, in that sense, isn't it a great move by management and band to have the band tour in South America and have several shows over sold (that means they sold more tickets than they should have)?

Oh no, it's just them doing "what they're supposed to". And yet here you are posting about them not selling enough tickets... When they do, you stay silent because it's just what they should do, when they don't, you're vocal about it. Win-win!  ;)


/jarmo

Speaking for myself... as a US fan... i think we just find it upsetting that the current state of affairs is this way for a GNR show

its not about giving credit to management for "doing what theya re supposed to do"

i dont blame them for playing South America... hell with the way they sell... they should play there forever 4 nights a week....

I never doubted for a second that the SA tour would likely be a roaring success for GNR.  I doubt they would've done a full SA tour for the 3rd time post Chinese Democracy unless they knew success in that market was a sure thing.  I'm just explaining why they're not all that successful domestically, which is really undeniable, thus the reason they are struggling to sell tickets for this event.  Without new music, and commercial presence, curiousity in this lineup is dwindling domestically.  That's not a knock at the band, it's just the way things are.

but really tho... they cant find 2 thousand plus fans in LA for tonight WITH DUFF PLAYING in the city this band came from ?

they must have marketed this poorly.....

im excited to tune in tonight, hopefully there are no issues with the stream

It is not a straight forward gig, its an awards show. People may not want to spend the amount of $ for something that is not a concert with full production etc. I deal with gigs 6 out of 7 nights a week and sometimes the interest is just not there.
 There are plenty of other acts on the bill that could pull punters also, so anyone blaming GN'R for this are idiots if you think its down to them that an award show is not sold out,

It's not GN'R specific.... Sorry to burst your bubble. Reference this: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallicas-james-hetfield-orion-fest-was-a-disaster-financially-20140130




If it was a GN'R show. It's an awards show. Not a full length gig.
GN'R sold out the LA Forum in 2011, then played several smaller venues there in 2012.





/jarmo

Yes, most people tend to draw bigger crowds down there then they would up here. 

An arena act here can fill a stadium there.  We see that all the time.

All correct, but you know he interprets everything as a personal affront.

Is your position that they would have no problems doing a nationwide tour here domestically in 2014, but just choose not to for whatever reason?

It is surprising, not sure why, last year when Metallica headlined, the show sold out in within hours. (http://www.epiphone.com/News/Features/News/2013/Revolver-Golden-Gods-Awards-Sell-Out.aspx)

But good new for those who are still looking for tickets or to upgrade.  They have open up the VIP balcony for tickets sales now.

The Golden Gods show has no bearing whatsoever on GN'R's ability to draw on their own any more than Rock On the Range does:  which is none at all.

The shows here are a handful and not all that dissimilar from late 2012 to the Summer 2013 shows.

Ali

Someone who gets where I'm coming from. Thanks.

Ali

I'm not Jarmo, but it seems pretty clear to me that what you just wrote is not at all the point being made.  You mention a nationwide tour when the point was very clearly specific to the LA market, as brought up by Jaeball.

Ali

Which were trending in the wrong direction, no?

I am not blaming the slow moving ticket on GNR... like I said earlier it is strange with our fanbase and other acts performing... that they cant sell this...especially that GNR is from LA and Duff will be in the house

Well, consider it a new line of questioning then.  I'll take your read on the situation too.

According to who?  If the first residency was unsuccessful, why would there be a second one?  I don't know the numbers, but that is my common-sense look at the situation.  I think the same thing would apply to the Crue's second residency.

Ali

That wasn't directed specifically at you.  Some clearly don't understand that this is not a GN'R show and therefore the attendance or lack thereof cannot be solely credited to GN'R any more than a festival show like Rock on the Range.

Ali

oh I understand that its not just a GNR problem... still upsetting tho

Well, here is another "common sense" look at the matter.

They are playing smaller and smaller spots here in the States.  This is not by choice.  Its not "intimate" and its not "up close and personal".  Its "we would take a bath trying to fill arenas we will filling up just a few short years ago".

As for the residency in Las Vegas, its a pretty low risk venture.  If you can't fill that small a spot in that town of all places, you might as well pack it in.  And weren't their reports these gigs were not sold out?  Is that encouraging?

To recap, the same people who are always complaining about management and the lack of promotion for the current band are now focusing on ticket sales on the eve of GN'R performing at possibly the biggest heavy metal awards show in the country?

Is that right?

Aren't these the same people who spent the last month complaining about the setlist for a successful tour that the band just did?
Funny. It's always something.....


Duff just played a bunch of shows on a very successful tour with GN'R, for the first time since 1993, and all you can focus on is the setlist?

I know some can't find anything good about the current band, but that was Duff playing with the band. Surely it's not "business as usual"? Maybe it is. Anyway, he's performing with the band tonight. Maybe it doesn't matter to you. Since you seem to be more interested in ticket sales for an awards show...

If you feel targeted about this post, maybe it's about you, maybe it's not.





/jarmo

No.  That's just your take because you have a persecution complex as big as the great outdoors.

I hope Axl kills it tonight.  I will not be home to watch it live, but it will be the first thing I call up when I return home.

Complex? Just check what you guys are talking about. It's not the show!

 : ok:


It'll be a shorter than usual set so I'm interested in seeing what songs they'll pick....





/jarmo

Getting back to tonight's show, Jarmo any eta on when they take the stage?

Jarmo, will you be singing Every Rose Has It's Thorn tonight with the band?

Heard that rumor.

Shouldn't they close the show?



/jarmo

Sure why not!   Are you wearing a nice suit?   It should be a great night!!!!

I'm at home, so I'm not wearing anything out of the ordinary....



/jarmo

Haha well me neither.  Here's to a great night!   Got the stream tonight, Bethlehem a few weeks away, and then Las Vegas.  I am very excited!

Here's a sneak of the @gunsnroses #GoldenGods soundcheck!

http://instagram.com/p/nJSJ8nI0Mr/

Regarding the setlist.  The piano is there so November Rain.


Revolver's editor Brandon Geist said they chose Axl to receive the award.

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Kat Benzova

(http://i.imgur.com/uxrBxAo.jpg)

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Cool poster.

gunsnroses: 2 options to catch @Revolvermag's #GoldenGods 2nite
1) @amazonmp3: http://t.co/IsL7MwwI09
2) @VH1Classic: http://t.co/PwYzDHcdtK #GNR




/jarmo

For comparison sake, Metallica played 4 songs at this event last year with Rob Halford guesting on a song. Not sure their total playing time, as some of their songs are a bit lengthy.

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2013/club-nokia-los-angeles-ca-13d80d6d.html

Thank you Jarmo.  This is awesome.

Will these links work in the UK Jarmo? Cheers

I don't know, but I hope so.




/jarmo

If not, find a proxy site that'll trick their servers into thinking you're in the US. I'm in the US, but that's what I did when I wanted to watch the BBC coverage of the Olympics, since NBC's sucked.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10289810_299696006862792_7229478444438662218_n.jpg)

How do I watch it when I click on the links? I don't see anything right now. Thought there is a press too?

.@gunsnroses MEGA fans already lining up for tonight's #goldengods show!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl7gAImCAAAoooS.jpg)

Doesn't go live i think until 7pm PST.

There's a difference between common sense and conjecture. GN'R was playing arenas in 2011, which is not all that long ago. If and when the new album comes out, they very well may do an arena tour again in support. I have no idea why they aren't now. It may be for the reasons you said, it may not be.

I don't know anything about how the shows in Vegas are doing. I haven't seen any reports. Again, you are spouting off rumor and conjecture and using that as a basis for your view.

Ali

 :D

@DuffMcKagan holding court... With a jester behind him. #GoldenGods #BlackCarpet

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl82dFRCIAANU-j.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl83GBzCQAAT-Qw.jpg)

The stream is up on Amazon...




/jarmo

Yes I just saw the Duff interview!   Now Dee Snider is interviewing Alice Cooper!

That's my friend Rich Bienstock behind Duff!
Lucky bastard!

Bumblefoot now being interviewed!!!    Showing his support for Axl!

I could not watch from both VH1 pages, but streaming from Amazon is working perfectly fine here in Australia.  :beer:

Hello, this beginning is pretty cool.
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1517459_1425985347660529_2284281726451710912_n.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl9AMUUCEAE61Rn.jpg)

WATCH NOW: Live #GoldenGods sets by @gunsnroses @joanjett @suicidesilence @ZakkWyldeBLS @TPROfficial @WhereisADTR

MCs @EddieTrunk @Mrjimflorentine @realdonjamieson get the night rolling #GoldenGods @Vh1Classic

Major kudos to Amazon for letting people outside the US to watch the live stream!  :beer: :beer:

Amazon streaming it's working perfectly here in MX  : ok:  :beer:

Yeah, stream is perfect.

Backstage at the #GoldenGods with @djashba @natyashba @gunsnroses

https://vine.co/v/MnIDe9vWTHF

How big is this place?  Looks like it is in someone's garage.

Seating capacity of 2,300.

(http://i.imgur.com/TrSJKPn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/UUOLYQy.jpg)

I didn't realize this was a 4 hour show. :o

Yeah, this is going to be a struggle.

I started drinking WAY too early.

I taped it on AXS last year and it was quite lengthy.  That's why I was surprised when I read it was 3 hours.  So we're back to 4?  Not sure I can stay up until 3.  I was willing to stick it out until 2, but maybe I'll just catch the replay tomorrow.

You have Zakk Wylde on...to play piano?  Would you invite Shaquille O'Neal on your show to shoot midrange jumpers?

That's what I understood from this Billboard article, unless they are including the "black carpet" interviews etc.?


The four-hour live show will tape Wednesday, April 23, at Los Angeles' Club Nokia, and stream at VH1.com and on VH1's mobile app, with a black carpet hosted by Dee Snider. The May 24 telecast will be an edited, 90-minute version of the show.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6055401/golden-gods-to-air-in-may-on-vh1-classic-axl-rose-and-joan-jett-lead-honorees

Well, we still have Joan Jett and Korn to perform.  Who else?  Many more awards?  I think it probably will be closer to 4 hours.

May be worth waiting for. :)

Did I just see Nicolas Cage backstage? #GoldenGods

Who are all those people with Duff? Wife, I assume, but are the other two kids? Thought he only had two daughters.

Will Axl give a cool speech or just say thanks?

Dice Clay said on the Black Carpet that he'd be presenting the award to Axl.

Nicolas Cage said this in an interview.  I wonder if they will play the song for him. ;)

Nicolas Cage : I think Axl is one of the great writers of the last century; his piano playing is amazing and that song "Prostitute" is incredible! Guns N' Roses is outstanding.

Here we go. Dice to present to Axl

Nice intro by Nicolas Cage.

Axl's speech was short but sweet, thanking everyone.



Now time for GN'R!




/jarmo

Do you think GN'R will go on late and make the crowd wait for an hour?  :hihi: Just being funny, but seems like it's taking a bit to get started.  Let's roll, boys!!!

What if Axl waited for about an hour & half now lol jk :P

It was great, the first time the crowd really got excited as well!!! :beer:

The sad part is some idiot in the media will try to blame axl for this delay...

I'm guessing 5 songs. CD, WTTJ, Mr. B, SCOM, PC

they are getting ready for a logner set than anyone else, so I doubt that.  The tv rebroadcast will be cut

I'm guessing You're Crazy as the opener.

Edit: It's So Easy!

I was wrong.


/jarmo

IT'S SO EASY!!!! :beer:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl9qsEzCcAAlGVB.jpg:large)

Easy, Jungle...



/jarmo

Easy's vocals just sounded so right!! 

Loving it so far  : ok:

Axl nails the vocals really good!  :peace:

Easy, Jungle, Better...




/jarmo

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl9uzO4CQAEbWBo.jpg)

Easy, Jungle, Better, This I Love....




/jarmo

Loving the CD songs! :D

awesome this I love : ok:

Did Axl miss some lyrics a few times or is it just me?

Easy, Jungle, Better, This I Love, You Could Be Mine....




/jarmo

awesome mix of songs so far! 

Love Duff's backing vocs!  : ok:

Easy, Jungle, Better, This I Love, You Could Be Mine, Band Introductions, Sweet Child....




/jarmo

Oh fuck, Ashbas guitar is horribly out of tune on SCOM.  ;D

Is the stream sound goofed?  Sweet Child sounds off.

Guitar changed.

Guitar was out of tune for sure.. he changed it.

Ashbas guitar was out of tune, he seems to have switched to another one now.

Easy, Jungle, Better, This I Love, You Could Be Mine, Band Introductions, Sweet Child, November Rain....




/jarmo

What's this song they're jamming now? EDIT: or were jamming before November Rain started?

Perfect Show

 :beer:

very very damn cool

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, made famous by Led Zeppelin.



/jarmo

This is pretty awesome!  Wish they could stream more often.

Oh that's right. Should have recognized that one.  ;D

Streaming if off!

The Amazon stream just died!

The stream went down...  :nervous:

Edit: Back up.

Easy, Jungle, Better, This I Love, You Could Be Mine, Band Introductions, Sweet Child, November Rain, Knockin' On Heaven's Door....


/jarmo

Glad i wasn't the only one to notice how badly out of tune DJ's guitar was during SCOM intro. Someone will get yelled at for that!  ;D

Sounds great so far!  I think there were a few lines from TIL missing? "No matter how I try" verse maybe then he went right back into song?

Stream went off during November Rain.  It came back on during Heaven's Door and thought I heard part of DJ's new solo.  It's great to be able to watch at home!  Almost 3am here.  When Axl came out on stage he made the funny comment "Lifetime Bereavement Award"

I think its time for Paradise City.

Easy, Jungle, Better, This I Love, You Could Be Mine, Band Introductions, Sweet Child, November Rain, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Jam/Paradise City....



/jarmo

Damn man.......  :-\

I thought he might've missed some during November Rain but i'm not positive.

Axl is on fire!!!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Vocals started pretty good.

"Easy" was amazing.

Then it all deteriorated vocal wise after Better.

Im sure everyone had fun though.

He is a Golden God \m/

It seemed as if Axl could rasp pretty well in mid-range, but had to use falsetto in high-range. Still a very cool performance, especially with Duff on bass and backing vocals. Only letdown was the stream going off for a while. If a dvd pops up, I'll have to snatch it.  8)

Ya no matter what il always be in" Axls corner" but man its tough to watch your idols age!! glad im getting to see him one more time in Vegas though : ok:

Vocals gets warmer and warmer by song that's why i think the second half was better.

I loved all of it, and if they were given another one hour, that would have gone great  ;D

What happened in the middle of NR was that a guy invaded the stage, then a couple of seconds afterwards the stream went off and it got back in the middle of KOHD.  :rant:

People were probably drunk by the end of the show, as there was also a fight in the audience during PC.

It's called mosh pit. It's common in the hard rock/metal area.

I enjoyed it  : ok: Put the other acts to shame in my eyes, it was kind of a mess of an awards show, but Axl put life back into that place. Wonder what happened during TIL? Looking forward to seeing the full outro of NR later, when it comes on tv.

Sure some parts were not vocally perfect, but what do you expect? I think he did well  :love:

Awesome!! Live streaming a GNR show is a nice way to start the day before work.

here is the award being given

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPrkhF-iQDc&feature=youtu.be

I missed it :crying:

Just got home!!  SOOOO awesome, this was!!  Josee, if you're reading this: WAY sorry if at any point I knocked into you guys from behind lol.  Crowd behind me was a little rowdy at times, and especially that chick to my left (i think you know the one i'm referring to haha).

This was probably the most fun I've ever had watching Guns play.   Entire event was awesome!!!

And yes, during NR, some dude ran out onstage.  Maybe that was the reason the stream was cut. 

Very cool - thanks for all the updates everyone. Great to see Axl honoured at this and sounds like the set was great, love that they kicked off with ISE  :beer:

Paradise City

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4NrE3mq5Q

I wondered if Better took a lot of his breath away so going into a quieter song he struggled to maintain his voice. Like when you run & you stop & try to talk you find it hard to get the words out inbetween puffing and panting.

I thought I saw some male on stage, hefty guy but when the camera panned out it was just the band. Maybe that was the NR incident, I also thought I saw a fight in the audience but later thought they were just dancing & mucking around seeing as nothing was said.

Anyway congrats to Axl, and what a great view of their performance we had.  :peace:

Great to see Axl getting some credit. I manged to catch KOHD and PC, I thought he sounded great and the band was proper tight as usual.

I missed it because i had to go to work (i do it free, cause im a intern, so its super fun to leave home at 6 am, for ''work'')

Anyways, i hope to find the ceremony somewhere in the internets soon.

Amazing amazing amazing!
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/T8_6vF2FJiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_6vF2FJiM

40 minutes of it

im actually surprised they didnt restart sweet child, it sounded bloody awful.

- Dice's and Cage's intros were so full of truth and so real and cool!
- Easy and Jungle were faster, killers!
- Axl was in very good shape and at least for me one spectacular moment was Axl and 4tus at Knockin' On Heaven's Door!
- It's a shame there were a few mistakes here and there (TIL and SCOM) but then again.. if mistakes weren't allowed GN'R wouldn't have any fan left after Ritz '88 and, then again (again! lol), live acts are live acts and shit happens!
- So good to see Axl receiving something he deserves after so many years of negative crap. I hope he gets more awards like this in the future because he deserves.
- Cool to see Duff but I miss Tommy, it's a shame he wasn't there!

It's been a long time since ive been a happy GNR fan but watching this show and hearing Axl voice back and Duff back well i cant complain.

Axl's voice, especially on This i Love, is horrible.
Anyone who says otherwise is either deaf or lying to himself

+1 agreed, I felt uncomfortable watching it! I know this forum likes it "keep it positive" but come on guys! He didn't sound good ???

indeed,his voice was a bit off.compared to what we are used to.But the overall appearance is great.

I wonder why Nicolas Cage presented the award.He made many great films but now he is a has-been.
He'll play in the next Expendables films,i'm pretty sure  ;)  :hihi:

Anyway,the whole Golden Gods experience was positive.

I had fun watching it.... Axl sounded... about the same as usual lately...his short speech was also about what i expected... he seems uncomfortable in that kind of situation...not his thing, but he did seem to be honored by the acknowledgment.  Duff definitely got the biggest crowd reaction i thought...rightfully so for the King of beers


big Nic Cage fan so that was really cool

as far as what happened with DJ and the SCOM intro..............sigh........

DJ's guitar tech hung him out to dry on SCOM.  Pretty inexcusable.

I thought Axl was hit or miss, which, is pretty much what we get from him these days.

Or they just have a different opinion than you.

Ali

Yeah, what's up with DJ lately? I thought he was great when I saw them a couple of years ago and was kinda eating my words about him a bit, but with the Patience solo and SCOM intro he's really looking a bit useless at the moment IMO. Nevermind the Monster Energy tops and the Slash-esque top hat!

Right. If someone says Beverly Hills 902010 is a better show than Breaking Bad, thats also a different opinion, but it's still false.

I find those hating on him to typically way the hell over the top.  But that's because I don't care what he wears, or how stands, or any of that other dopey shit.

But whatever the hell he did on 'Patience' at that one show was just bad.  It was bad guitar playing.  And while I think his guitar tech clearly fucked him over for SCOM last night, ultimately, its on him.  He's gotta have that shit in order.

Hahahahaha

Nice analogy.

hey i used to watch 90210 back in the day!... i wanted to get with all the girls on the show haha

did you see them itnerview Richard and DJ on the black carpet?

"we are gunna be in vegas soon for a while so we will have time to sit down together and record" did anybody hear that exact same quote from those two a couple of years ago ?

he looks so much cooler without the hat and the make up.....like in those soundcheck pics... but ur right i dont care about that....

i just want him to play the songs properly.... lately its been bad

I don't think some of you have listened to too many shows lately.  That was a pretty good performance overall from Axl.  Thought he held a lot of notes well.  A fair portion of his range has been nearly gone for years.  I think he's actually picked up some rasp in the lows and highs that he hasn't used for years in the last SA tour, carried over to this show.  He is 52 years old.  For a guy who has tortured his voice for years on 3+ hour shows and years+ touring straight, he is what he is.  A golden god who I still go see.  Can't wait for Rock on the Range.

Regarding SCOM, that is NOT on DJ.  You trust your guitar tech to tune the guitar bc you are out there playing.  It's too bad bc it did sound terrible.  I just listened to the show on youtube and thought they sounded great overall.  Richard was a star.  

In the day and age of everything being recorded, it's very easy to judge every note and every move, but they are still an extremely tight performing band and Axl sounds great for his age.  Go listen to any great frontman that doesn't sing within one octave, this is the norm.  Listen to Steven Tyler.  Very few guys can keep that voice.

Yeah, I found Axl's vocals to be pretty much what he gives us these days.

I think trying to label them especially horrible is pretty forced.  And if you are saying that today, let's face it, you were going to say it regardless of how it went last night.

Besides This i Love, Axl put in a solid and at times great vocal performance

Dj again fucked up the intro to sweet child, didn't he do that on the vegas stream from a while back (the video one)

'This I Love' was pretty shaky, yes.

Though, to be honest, I even find it a little grating on the album.

Very true

i think its becoming clearer and clearer that Richard is the most consistent, reliable and least high maintenance of a performer of the three of them.

So all those slagging negative comments about recent vocals because 'you can't judge by a youtube clip' are going to apologize now??.

Anyway I saw this band in 93, 07 and 2010. For me the 2010
Performace was vocally the most oustanding. A night where I turned to my friends with a 'wow' look on my face. I really REALLY hope Axl finds the inspiration and motivation to work very hard on his vocals and fitness. Was a little sad to watch. Perhaps its time to go solo and make less 'stadium' style of music, more low keys songs that suit his range now? Songs that rely more on melody and lyrics than bombast and screaming.

Oh yeah.  I'm sure they are getting right on that.

Interesting point!
I recently saw Billy Joel in MSG and he sings almost every song in a lower key so his voice is spot on.  Not sure if any of axl's songs would sound right lowering the key.

I hated the album version and rarely listened to it.  Then when I heard it live in 2010 I was blown away.

I thought it was a awesome show.  Was it perfect no but hey it is rock n roll.  Axl is well deserving of the award. It is long overdue. It is about time some of his peers give him the respect he deserves.  Everyone seems to also miss the nice gesture Axl gave to all the line ups when he received the award.   Lets face it he is the last real front man of Rock.   Axl still is who he has always been.  He does things his own way, in a world that is so politically correct and predictable, it is refreshing to see Axl / GNR do there own thing.  I have been following the band since the 80's. 

Everyone likes to bust his balls for not sounding perfect. Fucking guy is 52 and is kicking ass putting on 3 hour plus shows.  I cant wait a few more weeks to Bethlehem  :peace: It is going to be awesome  :yes: 

I will take GNR doing 3 plus hour shows minus perfection any day over silence!!! Name another band and singer of like age of that caliber putting on a show that is better.  When their shows are over there is nothing else to give, they gave everything they got that night at every show to the fans.  :peace:

Do I want more sure, who doesn't. we would not be fans if we did not want more.  I'm thankful for what we do have.  He is human like the rest of us. A man of free will, I'm just thankful he shares his music with us!!

Good post.   Correct on DJ.  Tuning is done by the roadie.  Axl def has his lower register in old school form for many songs.  I always wonder how on the last "Knock Knock Knockin" how he goes old school on the rasp on those notes.  I wonder what allows him to rasp and not rasp.  On Better, he had some powerful rasp on high notes.  Paradise, almost none.  

I thought it wasnt bad.  I thought NR and PC was worse.

I thought he sounded fine on PC, I didn't see anything else.

Did anybody catch our favorite singer get an lifetime achievement award and thanking all the line ups of the band?
Did anybody realize this was promoting the current band? Did anybody realize that they played some songs from Chinese Democracy?
Did anybody miss that the set didn't start with the songs you expected?

Sometimes it seems like it's easy to forget what you got because you're solely focused on the same discussion in every thread about every show.
I feel kinda bad for those of you who have to go through these times with that mindset.


Highly successful tour in South America, a tour where some said nobody would show up.
Having Duff fill in for Tommy. Historic event in itself.
Having Axl get acknowledged for what he's done.
Having GN'R play for an hour at the biggest heavy metal award show.
GN'R wlll be on VH1 on the near future.

 : ok:


/jarmo

Holy shit, no.  When did this happen?  Is there a link?

I did  :hihi: 

Axl sounded horrible last night. It was like he could barely squeak the words out.

Show is up in HD

Nicolas Cage and Dice Present Lifetime Award

Revolver Golden Gods 2014 - Nicolas Cage Presents Lifetime Achievement Award (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUY51pXGrrE#)

Jungle

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0STBPuoK3Ws&list=UU_tKHpo6xYpwdIRC4uotmuQ#)

Sweet Child

Revolver Golden Gods 2014 - Guns N Roses - Sweet Child o' Mine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVUvxJly6w0&list=UU_tKHpo6xYpwdIRC4uotmuQ#)

PC

Revolver Golden Gods 2014 - Guns N Roses - Paradise City (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlkGlm6_QA&list=UU_tKHpo6xYpwdIRC4uotmuQ#)

"Thank you, thank you very much. It cost me an awful lot to pay him to say all that stuff. So... Anyway, I wanna thank our band, crew, all of our line ups, our line up right now.. I wanna thank our sound man and producer Caram, and all of you! Thank you very much." - Axl




/jarmo

.    Yes & thank god for all those things! GnR was & still is the greatest rock band of all time with the greatest songs of time & AxL is simply the most unique incredible Frontman of all time & watching him live is always exciting as hell- you just can't take your eyes off him & his voice at times has been so powerful it is mind blowing! I think the fans making a lot of the comments about his voice agree with everthing but are simply making an observation that his voice in 2010 seemed to be at it's absolute finest & most powerful. He sounded terrific in the shows I saw live from 2006- 2011 but in London 2010 it all came together- his voice was simply stunning & was so powerful it felt like he could knock over a building! I have never had so many goosebumps! That does not take away from any other of his or the band's achievements however I could be wrong but I think this is what a lot of fans here are trying to say but Jarmo is viewing the comments as just a criticism & some fans not appreciating the positives over the years

I usually keep my mouth shut, but the Monday Morning Quaterbacking that goes on after the shows is getting old.  Everyone is entilted to their opinion, but the same point over and over is tired.  If fans don't like what they hear make your point and move on.  Stop repeating yourself.  Axl is trying his best and it's far better than most.    

Hopefully Axl thanking Caram means they're still working on the next album together and it hasn't been completely scrapped, like some evidence would suggest...

I slightly altered the original post by giving the points and questions numbers so my answers would be easier to follow.
1. I'm sure some did, I was at work. I'm glad for my former favorite singer and most of the line ups. Watched it now before posting this.
2. Current band, old songs. Yes Chinese Democracy is their latest album, but 5.5 year old songs are old, not current. We all know which songs are from which album.
3. That really doesn't matter.

Me personally got nothing out of this. I'm happy for the people who still think Axl's got a good voice while performing live. I don't, but it really doesn't matter to you or the singer. You'll both get paid. These times are easy to get through with loads of great music, both old and new!

4. Yes, great for the SA fans. That is the place where GN'R always will play for sold out crowds, anybody who thinks otherwise are ignorant.
5. That is indeed pretty f'k'n awesome.
6. Good for him!
7. Good for them! I'm not much for award shows, especially when it comes to music.
8. Ok.



I'm by the way not repeating myself, I barely post or visit this site as much as I used to.

How can an opinion fundamentally be false?  The factual or informational basis for the opinion can be false or inaccurate, but a person's preference can't be "false", you can merely disagree with it.

Ali

I think there is a fundamental difference in the sound quality between a cell phone-based audience recording and a soundboard recording.  The vast majority of YouTube clips I see from shows are cell phone-based audience recordings, which, IMO, are fundamentally poorer in quality.

Ali

The beginning of PC wasn't so hot, but once the song kicked in Axl sounded excellent!

Last night was impeccable sound quality, and it did not sound a hell of a lot different than any number of the allegedly unreliable recordings we had been seeing for weeks.

That argument is over and done with.  He sounds how he sounds.  The end.

yeah.... you have to come to terms with it... i don't harp op on how he sounds...i've accepted he sounds differently now

the guitar work... thats ... i dont know... Axl likes him ... but i dont get it

but since Jarmo wants us to acknowledge only the great stuff from last night...

let me do that... i had a blast watching, its awesome to see Duff play another show...Its So Easy with him is easily the highlight, they did play my two favorite tracks from CD, and hopefully it turned some people on to some of the newer guys like Frank and Richard who were on top of their game it seems

Since i wasn't expecting anything more than a short little thank you... i liked what he said..came across well

Very humble and endearing man when he speaks into a microphone
but when he grabs the mic,
look out!

I just thought that since some spent quite some time whining about the lack of things in the GN'R world, that this event would actually get acknowledged. Of course I was wrong and it's more of the same.

Thanks for trying though, even though it was kinda forced.




/jarmo

Man, Slayer debuted a new song last night and it's a headline a Rolling Stone.  Imagine if GNR did the same?  Another missed opportunity, and shows we're likely no closer to the next record.  :'(

I only have 1 word to describe last night . Magical !

remember last time GNR was on VH1?

hack job London O2 show...

A review of the show/performance:


The biggest question before the start of this year's Golden Gods was this: Would Guns N' Roses actually show up for their performance slot to accompany vocalist Axl Rose?s Lifetime Achievement Award? Turns out the answer was yes, but fans were left hanging for a bit to wonder.

After being presented with his award, Rose left the stage and then an awkward 10 minutes passed, during which guitarist Bumblefoot played the theme from "Jeopardy," snippets from Sammy Hagar?s "Three Lock Box," and a bunch of guitar noodling before Rose finally reappeared and led his band ? which included original bassist Duff McKagan ? through an hour-long, eight-song set, far more than anyone was expecting from the legendary rockers.

Guns N? Roses opened with "It's So Easy," featuring Axl dressed in a studded jean jacket, shades, and a brown hat that looked as if he'd swiped it from Pharrell Williams. To the delight of the crowd, the band?s set mostly consisted of hits from the classic "Appetite For Destruction": "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child Of Mine," "It?s So Easy," and the closer "Paradise City," which ended in an explosion of red confetti.

However, G N'R also inserted their "Use Your Illusion" hit "November Rain," plus two songs from their most recent album, 2008?s "Chinese Democracy," as well as a cover of Bob Dylan?s "Knockin? on Heaven?s Door.?

Though he surely looked like the rock god he was heralded as, Rose had trouble hitting many of the high notes and often resorted to a less than perfect falsetto. Still, it was satisfying to see McKagan back onstage with his old frontman, bashing out hits from the late ?80s.

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-music/revolver-golden-gods-celebrate-best-metal-inlcuding-full-133439103.html

Yeah, I got Slayer fans on my FB feed all excited about it.

But, as was pointed out to me here today, my band played some songs from a 6 year old album, so....yeah.  Jealous much, Slayer fans?

Yeah, I found that a quizzical claim from Jarmo, considering how it went last time.

They can hardly be blamed, the production on the show was so bad. They asked Joan and The Jetts to replay an entire song for TV and production kept starting/stopping with the sound during presenters speech's leading to lots of awkwardness. They had Alice Cooper re-introduce Joan and The Jetts half way through their set, cause apparently the first time wasn't recorded properly. You could hear Alice whispering in the background, "incase they don't know who you are".

It's a good thing the show will be heavily edited on VH1, but it was awesome seeing Axl and Duff on stage playing out classics. Seeing Axl play "This I Love" in front of crowd of hardcore heavy metal fans was ballsy.

Really was sloppy.

They send someone out to introduce The Pretty Reckless, and they don't even know Taylor's name?  Who the hell is producing this thing?

Did Korn play??

No.

I think Richard is the most underated guitar player in the history of GNR.

This guy is increddible, does great quality work live and giving very powerfull performances.

He could be an amazing blues player.

So they give us HD video then take it away....

ughhhhhhh

Wow, that was seriously awesome. I wasn't expecting any new songs at all so to get two of my favorites was a surprise. The band were on fire and Axl had tonnes of energy, like he was in a trance. Definitely one of the best performances in years.

Really. One of which has been played live for nearly a decade.  Big win for GNR fans I guess?  Look, it was fantastic to see Duff on bass, albeit that's going to be short lived.  But apparently wanting to see this band move forward out of the shadow of Chinese Democracy is seemingly asking the world of them or rather Axl, and an invitation for inevitable keyboard beatings from jarmo, who is seemingly content to see this lineup tour on Chinese Democracy from now until forever.  Shucks.  

You don't think its something of a stretch labeling 'Better' and 'This I Love' as "new"?

As was just said, Slayer did a brand new song.  The Pretty Reckless did 3 songs from their actually new album.

Are these situations analogous?

They're from the newest album, therefore they are new to casual fans and non-fans. Besides, it's only been about 5 years since Chinese came out which is a fair amount of time for a band like Guns to work an album. The Stones haven't had a new record since 2005 and they haven't played any songs from that album since that tour!!!

Well, could you at least be somewhat fair here? Too much to ask?
Because you have this built in resistance to say anything even remotely nice about the band.

Some of whom are quick to say things like "Axl won't show up" or "nobody will buy tickets" and so on. Then when the poster is proven wrong, the response is "big deal" or "they did what they were supposed to".
Insert some remarks about how low the bar is. That's the typical response.


Some spent time worrying about the lack of promotion the last album got, but when the band plays songs from it, at this show, that the casual listener might not have heard, it's just them playing "old songs". Go figure.
You got people saying Axl doesn't promote the current band, well he did. Nobody said a word about it.
Axl gets labeled as a person who holds grudges. Take a listen to his speech. No comments. Why? And what if he had said something even remotely negative about any former members? You'd be here commenting on it! We all know it!

And now it's about them not playing any new songs? Aren't these the same people who complained that some of the Chinese Democracy songs were old because the band had performed them live on tour before the album was out? You want them to play new unreleased songs so you can complain that you didn't get enough new songs when the next album is out? Makes sense.... :P



I do find it telling that the day Axl Rose gets an award acknowledging his work some of you stay completely silent about it.
It's like it never happened.

It must be very tough to give the guy any kind of acknowledgement or credit for what he's doing. And this from people who frequent a GN'R fan site.

Why is that?



/jarmo

Guns N' Roses Full Set Golden Gods Awards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_6vF2FJiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQCtlGn2TBg

Fuck, was the word troll invented to define you?

You are the lowest form of discussion, literally a broken echo chamber.  If it bothers you so much fuck off and listen to The Pretty Reckless you lowest common denominator, absolute waste of oxygen and life.

So we'll put you down as a yes?

Which sounded the same as last nights show,  he even sounded worse than the SA tour

Here's a radical idea for the whiners: How about you find something nice to say about the GN'R at the Golden Gods. Leave your sarcasm and smart ass remarks at the door.
Consider it your homework.

It's amazing that I actually have to ask "GN'R fans" for that...

Thanks!



/jarmo

This "Jordan Rose" person is deliberately trolling this site and boasting about it on mygnrfilth site.


I was very pleased with the performance and enjoyed the live stream. Some people make every gig into drama and simply hate just to hate. It must be depressing to be addicted to emotions.

This is a great year for GNR!  :beer:

Did anyone, in any of the interviews, comment on why Tommy wasn't at this show?

Well said!

Eh, jarmo, it's been nearly 6 years since Chi Dem was released, and they've been promoting/hyping/touring on it on and off for the better part of 13 years now.  I think it's safe to say that at this point they're grinding their gears if they're still trying to bring attention to it and win people over by showcasing CD songs live and at events like this.  Meaning, if people are digging it, they've bought the album and gone to subsequent shows....many years ago.

And jarmo, please, you're a lot of things but I'm fairly certain that 'psychic' is not among them.  Please don't tell me why I want them to play new songs and what I'll do next, ok?  : ok:

I love Guns N' Roses, and want to see them move forward and release more music.  Not all of us have something to lose by saying so.

The world is just so unfair, isn't it?

Look, you make some valid points.  But its tough to take you super seriously when you are out for blood when a "hater" won't step up like you are asking, when all know god damn well you would not even remotely consider doing the reverse.  Is that an unfair statement?  As you bellow from the high horse as you're doing, is there really any chance you would ever come on here and say something went wrong, unlike you predicted?  Be fair here, Jarmo.  Give a little, get a little type of deal there.



The time to promote 'Chinese Democracy' as an album has come and gone.  Be serious.



The bit about "all line-ups" was definitely a shock.  A rare trip to the high road for our man.  And props to him for taking it, no doubt.



This is just foolishness.  More of you setting up something to be aggrieved about later.



I think its pretty obviously done out of spite.  We'll have to address this at our next hater meeting because it doesn't seem to be coming across.

So gnr is now, in 2014, promoting a 2008 album? thats what i read?  :rofl:

SAY SOMETHING NICE!!!

he sounded better than bridge school

The ultimate irony is that this assessment is not incorrect.  :-\

Ok, so can we please stop with the "Axl didn't promote the album enough" and "Axl doesn't promote his current band enough" bs then?



I've been running this fan site since 1996. Do you know what that means?
It means those of us who have been around for a while have seen a lot. We know the drill.





And do you believe in the fact that they will when they are ready to do so?



Yes:







Was that so difficult?






It's called experience.
Been there, seen it.





Awww, you gotta try to joke about it instead of giving a straight answer. Surprising.




Your skills at understanding might not be what you wish they were.

I'll explain this to you. Axl gets attacked for not promoting the current band enough. When he does, people like yourself ignore it.
Performing songs that had nothing to do with the old band promotes the current. There. Simple.





/jarmo

What is it with GNR when they have a live performance airing either on TV or the internet? Why is it them and ONLY them where its like a crap shoot if the performance (in general) is either great or they get uncomfortably embarrassing. I have been wondering this since that MTV 2001 stunt. I just don't get it. This was really hard for me to watch. I don't want to make excuses or even feel the need to give a disclaimer explaining how much I love GNR and what they have meant to me. This just isn't working. I fucking wish there was more money to made from dropping an album so Axl wouldn't have to keep having to kill himself doing these live shows.

Put the pen to the paper and use whatever is left of that voice and record your art. Guns N' Roses had bad shows back in the day. But they were very VERY few and far between. They were also usually because Slash was too drunk or Axl was too hopped up. But this is something different. Back then a bad performance here or there was fun to see. The scene was just so crazy. Rock N' Roll in the best sense. But this kind of bad showing isn't fun. It's just kind of ?sad.

There you go!

From what ive seen on youtube i thought it wasnt a bad performance
Yeah a couple of things could have been better but im not complaining
Considering Axls age and the fact hes been screaming songs out since the early 80's i thought he did fine
Djs intro to SCOM was damaging to my ears but i noticed he changed guitars half way through the song so im guessing there were some tech issues

Dont you dare to put me in the section of people that ignore it, I havent ignored anything, how can you say people like me when you dont know me, internet tough guy

Other than occasionally lamenting the yearlong disappearing act following Chinese, I don't do that.




Noted.  But again, I say what I say not to bitch for the sake of bitching, but because I love Guns N' Roses and want to see them move forward.



Without knowing what "ready" means for Axl Rose, there's no way I can answer that question with any degree of certainty.

How do you figure that?

As you often do, you take one argument that you don't like being put forth, and take something unrelated and try and pass it off as the answer to that question.  And shouldn't we feel bad about ourselves for asking it in the first place.

When people say that Axl didn't promote the album or the new band, we meant when the album came out.  When he went into hiding for over a year.  That was the time that needed to be done.

In no rational universe is the answer to the question "How can you say Axl didn't promote the band or the album?" ever, ever, EVER going to be "...when he just did 2 songs off of it, on a internet stream broadcast, 6 years later."

It doesn't make any sense.

You either ignored it or didn't understand it when you posted your comment. Which one is it?
I clarified what I said so you don't have to be confused.

Don't get upset if you get a response to what you post. It's called a discussion....


Internet tough guys often hide behind anonymous usernames.  : ok:

And while we're on the topic of Internet behaviors:
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion


/jarmo

But do you ever notice how much of that is in response to stuff you try and sell us?

I'm serious.  In my time here I have seen many a thread that is generally void of any malice or nastiness until you saunter in and start your daily lecture.  Much of the "trolling" is challenging some of the, frankly, hard to believe stuff you try and run past us.  Not things any of we dissidents have introduced.

This is not me expecting you to change, by the way.  Just an observation.  I trust you will give it the usual credence you do anything I've ever posted here.

Not wrong. 

If GNR fans posting about their desire for new music, set variety, etc. constitutes trolling, then every single other Guns forum out there is absolutely nothing but trolls, mods & admins included.  It's an damn epidemic.

......Or they're just normal humans venting their occasional frustrations at a night so tightly run ship, and jarmo is perhaps a liiiiitle too sensitive.

Always the victim.

Like in this thread poor you had to be coaxed into saying something nice.
I don't try to sell anything, I'm posting my opinion.

Many times I see posts that are just full of shit (sorry) and I comment on it. Like you seriously comparing playing in the heat in Miami to playing at a high altitude in La Paz. That's just fucking stupid. I'm sorry if you got your feelings hurt but you can't know everything about everything just because you sit and watch Youtube videos. Some things you need to experience. Like La Paz.

Did you apologize and say you were wrong? No.
But you're quick to ask me to. And when I do. Nothing. Nada.

Recently I was "challenged" on whether or not I had seen the old band. I responded. The response? Nothing. Not even "I was wrong then". Didn't you make claims a while ago saying you'd be the first one to admit you were wrong? Yet it seems like you don't. You ignore every post where you're clearly been proven wrong.
Funny.


If the definition of troll hurts your feelings, I didn't write it. The fact is that you and your buddies seem to ruin every thread with your endless whining about the same things. Why don't you just move on and go listen to that new Slayer track?

Didn't you have enough "fun" already by pretty much ruining 12 13 show threads with the same comments? When does it get old?




I'm sensitive? You're the ones crying as soon as I say something and make yourselves out to be victims. Poor you. No new album. Poor you, the Youtube videos don't sound as good as others. Poor poor you.


Axl just got a nice acknowledgement, GN'R played for an hour. And yet, you're whining about the same things you were whining about last year and the year before.... What's new?



/jarmo

Yes.

That's funny. You guys amuse me. :-*

How's your homework coming along?
Don't try to ignore it. Scroll back and look for the post.

You silly knights of the Off topic table.... ;)



/jarmo

You often come across that way, yes.

This thread was simply a discussion about the thing last night.  Not really negative.  Then in you come looking for scalps.  The tone shifts.

And although I cut off the rest of your post here, it was just a bunch of old arguments that have nothing to do with any of this here.  Seeing the old band?  La Paz?  Weren't those conversation that came and went over a week ago?  

Seems like you are toting around a lot of baggage there.  Its not productive.

See?  We have fun here, don't we? 


I'm halfway through it, I swear.

The same people saying the same things about every show? It's boring!

I had to ASK YOU to say something nice about the award show. Don't you see how fucking silly that is? I had to ask alleged GN'R fans to say something nice about an award show where your alleged favorite band played and Axl got a lifetime achievement award. Instead of even talking about the honor, or anything related, you took the path of least resistance and went where you've gone for the past 12 show threads on the last tour.

It's not very interesting. And it's telling about your mindset to begin with. Is the only joy in your day to go on a GN'R fan site and complain? I sure hope not, but it kinda seems like it considering how difficult it is to say something, anything, nice about the band or Axl.


You've been told that there's a place for your posts, it's called Dead Horse. Go and post. But no, you need attention.


Why is it that every time you're asked to do something, you fail? You fail to admit you were wrong and so on?
Your idea of a discussion is for you to make claims that are countered by someone and then you just ignore what was said and make a joke about it. Win-win. Smart asses have used similar tactics since man learned how to scribble on cave walls.

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Eddie Trunk: *Said hi briefly to Axl Rose. Axl accepted his award from Nic Cage and then did an 8 song set with Gnr. Duff McKagan played the whole show and it was AWESOME to see him rocking those songs side by side with Axl again! Tommy Stinson will be returning soon but I?m glad I got to see Duff with them. Sounded great as did Axl?s voice which was very strong. Axl thanked all the GnR lineups in his brief speech.



/jarmo

Speaking of Tommy, Jarmo since i assume you would know... can you clarify what happened to Tommy for us?

did he hurt himself in South America? if so... did he aggravate it playing in California?  is he definitely going to be back for the show at the Sands?

I don't know what happened. So I'm not gonna comment on that.

But I expect him to be back next month.

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Duff:

DuffMcKagan: Great to share a stage with my bro @axlrose over these past few weeks. The guys in the band were super cool to this 'outsider'.MissTheSongs.

DuffMcKagan: Hi guys- the 'outsider' comment on my GNR tweet from last nite, was supposed to be funny/ironic/yuck yuck.




/jarmo

Alright I guess i gotta take ur word on that...

as for Duff... i love that fucking guy ...

him saying he misses the songs makes me smile and frown at the same time!

Haha...oh, believe me, I do.

Tell you what.  Despite the fact this won't buy my one cent of reprieve from you, I'll even give you what you are looking for. 

Good things :

- Axl seemed happy.  He hates these sorts of events, but I think its encouraging he not only went, but seemed happy to be there.
- It was nice of him to throw in the bit about all line-ups.  Absolutely a pleasant surprise.
- There was a lot of energy in the performance.  No nonsense and seemed to have good energy.

Thanks!

Imagine if you had done that to begin with.  : ok:



/jarmo

Great to see the band in this kind of shows,as someone said before axl is not used to do this thing.

But CAME ON AXL! the fucking world is watching this,you cant sing like this anymore.Need to fix what is fucking your voice.

Jarmo,

You run a great site and are so modest that you are friends with the band.
I know you know so much and respect the privacy of others because you are decent.
I'm sure you know that this troll is posting the same claptrap on all the sites
looking for attention. He is a loser with no life. I think he should be banned because
no one cares about his type. If he had anything good going on his life he would be grateful
and not looking for Gun N' Roses to complete his life or thinking that he has a right to
upset when they don't rock his world.

Keep up the good work here!

I'm not disputing the sound quality of a soundboard recording.  I'm saying that a soundboard recording will always be better quality and therefore a better platform from which to form an informed opinion than audience recordings, which can be of variable quality.

Ali

I disagree.  A soundboard recording will always have a better, clearer mix of vocals and instruments and won't have the over the top presence of crowd noise.  Your second comment is a matter of opinion.

Ali

What happened to Tommy? He had a scheduling conflict with some Replacements shows that were scheduled. Is there something beyond that?

Agreed.

But you didn't watch the thing last night and then come to the conclusion that impression formed from the videos we got from SA were totally off base.  That was more my point.

It seemed like some were operating under the premise that, once we got a performance with a good feed, it would clear up any misgivings we got from Youtube.  It really didn't.

Now stop trying to get me in trouble with the Big Chief.

No one is sure.  No.  No one is sure.

I didn't think it would necessarily clear up any misgivings for others.  I wasn't expecting that.

I think, for me, the most reliable barometer is being at a show.  So, honestly, I will go to the last few shows of this residency having gone to the last few shows of the last residency at the same venue and then make my own, most complete determination as to whether or not anything has really changed.  So, for me, any information from these videos of some songs from the shows on tour are just for the purposes of making a preliminary impression.

I understand that there are others the clearly feel differently and place much more value on the videos.

And, I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble with any chief, big or otherwise.  : ok:

Ali

Oh, I know.  I was just joking.

Video of Axl backstage, waiting to go on, listening to his introductions. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_bvuL6xH98

I don't understand how anybody can say anything bad about last night.  After a fun filled day of shopping on Melrose, which was fabulous cuz a lady asked me if I had been in the movie TED,we arrived at the venue. I was totally overdressed but a security guy asked me if I was the chick from FROZEN. Bitty Ted and I went to our seat which had to be the best in the house, front row center. We even caught the camera's eye and people said they saw us on the livestream!  Performances by everybody were amazing.  I even became a SLAYER fan, hee hee . So cool to see Duff!

Very well then  :peace:

Ali

Watched it live this morning at 6am here, the band played well and Axl wasn't bad either. Nice to see Duff on with Guns again. If I were to be critical I'd say Ashba's guitar sounded out of tune on Sweet Child at the beginning and the awards production overall seemed very average, there was a drop in the broadcast for a bit too. This award was set up by a rock magazine 5 years ago, Axl must like the magazine or something. I wouldn't say he was 'thrilled' to receive such an award but probably figured he'd be nice and accept this one. I guess it's good to be acknowledged though. I don't read Revolver magazine and never heard of the Golden Gods until recently, I understand it's on the go since 2009. Cool to see all the same, overall they put on a great performance and Axl seemed in good spirits and sure why wouldn't he be. Some good vocals from Axl, I hope he puts some new music out soon.

Yeah, Dj's guitar was out of tune in the beginning of Sweet Child.
These things happen. Not much he can do about it....




/jarmo

I felt bad for DJ during the SCOM intro. There's absolutely no excuse for his tech botching the tuning of the guitar so badly. Not when its so easy to do by someone who knows what they're doing. I have to assume they use electric tuners that plug right into the guitar. So there should be no excuse for that to happen. Its on the tech not DJ like some are saying it should be. These techs are pros and when the musician is given the guitar seconds before the song starts they expect their guitar to be in the right tuning.

I guess it's a decision he must make quickly, keep playing or stop, change guitar or tune up and start again. It's not like the guy can't play the tune, he's awesome.

You're assuming the instrument was never in tune....



/jarmo

All I know is I keep staying up for these live streams no matter how obscene the time may be and I love it. Regardless of the uneven performances. Sure I'd rather them be perfect, but I thought they were fine last night. Someone responded to Eddie Trunk saying Axl sounded great, by saying he sounded bad on the stream. Eddie responded by saying he sounded like he nailed it from the side of the stage. So take that for what it's worth.

I didn't believe it when Eddie said they might play 8 songs. I was blown away they played for an hour. Probably a record for that event, or anything of its kind.

Too bad about DJ's guitar during SCOM. That was painful to listen to. I don't see how they can air that song on the broadcast unless they somehow go in and fix it.

Congrats to Axl for a well deserved honor.

No way.  That's on the tech.

I thought the intros for the award by Andrew Dice Clay and Nicolas Cage were awesome!!!   :beer:

CONGRATULATIONS AXL!!! :headbanger:  

If it was tuned correctly prior to them going on stage it would still be in tune when he was given it. Over time a guitar cheaper guitar will go out of tune but a really good guitar in less than an hour? Not a chance. If he used that particular guitar on more then one song last night then his tech goofed up the tuning while tuning it for SCOM after whatever song he used it on last during the set. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I play guitar so i understand these things. I know a really good guitar would not lose its tuning that quickly even a cheaper one wouldn't

I'm watching it now. First off congrats to Axl for the Lifetime Achievement. He deserves it!  I think the intro to "Sweet Child" wasn't good as previously stated. It seems to me Axl started off hot, but his voice dropped off a bit. I loved listening to "It's So Easy". With Duff backing vocals, Axl sounded awesome. Jungle was good too! "Better" was when I felt like the vocals dropped off a bit. He did have some rasp for "Paradise City", but it wasn't the best performance.  "This I Love" didn't sound good. I'm listening to "November Rain" and it sounds good. "You Could Be Mine" was good.  It seems like there was definitely a hit or miss on the songs last night. Some of the arguments that are being made, I can agree and disagree on. 

PS: Just noticed the mistake for "November Rain". Guitar work could have been better last night.

And what if something happens to the guitar between it being tuned and it being handed to Dj?




/jarmo

Watching that video gives you a really different perspective.  I think he was genuinely pleased to be receiving the award. :)

I suppose anything is possible. I just say i its unlikely something happened where the tuning pegs got messed with to get it out of tune.

I wasn't there. But I know for a fact that the techs wouldn't just hand out a out of tune guitar.

Why would they?



/jarmo

Everything seemed so chaotic there last night though.  It was like it was being run by a high school stage crew.

If Axl is owed any sort of compliment, its taking all that in stride.  I really think the whole event was pretty poorly run.  But Axl never gave anyone a problem.

Truth is that axl's over the hill and some of us wish he wasn't.  And when jarmo looks at it , he only sees positive.  I go back and forth with it.  Trolling occasionally out of nostalgic frustration!

Oh come one everyone, guitar out of tune, AXL voice blah, blah, it's a FUCKING LIVE PERFORMANCE you morons!!! These things happen!!! And they happen to ALL bands! I've been to a Rolling Stones concert where Keith literally messed up the intro of a song! Their last year Hyde Park live release had to be edited cause Start Me Up had messed up intro too! So what's the big deal? Does this make the Stones less of a legend? The fact that a guitar is out of tune, means the end of the world? This is live music, we love their attitude, we love that their up there and play!

Oh my God, AXL is not hitting every note right, what are we gonna do now??? If you want perfection go to a fucking opera or symphony! And to tell you a little secret (cause I have friends playing there), things get fucked up at symphony concerts too!

Peace out, that's all I had to say.

Yeah! That was pretty cool

*insert clapping here* Chill out everyone, it was far from the formal event I expected it to be with everyone wearing suit & ties. It looked like it was a far from professional award ceremony but that's because it's rock 'n' roll, it's not meant to be perfect.   :peace:

I'm just glad Axl received this award & didn't refuse to go, I'm thrilled to see them all play and if Axl lost power during a song or DJ's guitar didn't sound good at the beginning of a song we know that the world didn't end.  ;)

Axl looked so happy to receive this award & it brings tears to my eyes to see him walk up & accept it with a smile,   :'(     I've read that since he was at school he wanted to be a performer and for those that bullied him & locked him in a locker I hope you've all got egg on your faces as you see your schoolmate up there performing to hundreds of thousands around the world and being admired for his talent and charisma.  :love:

WELL DONE AXL  :love:

what is the jam called before pc please
 Jam/Paradise City....

Sabotage?  Maybe Slash snuck in and did it?

I was probably the first one in this thread to point out DJ's guitar being out of tune on the SCOM intro, but ya know what, shit happens. It's not like Slash was always in tune either. Things happen at live shows. Strings break, instruments go out of tune, sometimes mics fail...that's why it's called a LIVE show. I found the performance overall to be a very good one even with Axls high note difficulties and I have to agree with many of you about Richard, amazing guitarist. Axl thanking all the lineups was a surprise, kudos to him for that.

I don't see what the big deal is.... guitar wasn't tuned... DJ stuck with it through the intro ( the show must go on) the band laughed and shrugged it off.  Chris is one of the best tech's there is, shit happens during live performances.

Axl is NOT over the hill, geez he's only 52 but I'm guessing you're in your 20s & like me when I was that age, being in your 50s was your parent's age.
The only reason he looks "over the hill" is the way he dresses, why can't he see he looks closer to a 60yr old than a 50yr old with all that gear on? Has he a complex about his looks? He shouldn't have & if he does it's the way he dresses with the jackets making him look larger & the shades making him look... well... I dunno how to explain, and those hats need to go  :yes:   

I know Jarmo will say Axl doesn't tell us how to dress but we aren't the performers, we are the fans & so many seem to agree he needs a change of wardrobe. He is nowhere near as large as he looks with that gear on, nowhere as old looking with that gear on. It was slightly embarrassing watching him with the short jacket & long t-shirt over his jeans which kind of gave the look of a woman without knickers if you get my drift.  :nervous:

Why do the uglier guys of rock n roll go on stage not covered up while someone as sexy & good looking (for the females of course) as Axl cover his looks up? I don't get it but there are some gorgeous photos of him minus the head gear floating around that make us females drool over our keyboards.  :drool:

Then again maybe he doesn't want to be attractive so that's why he covers up, pity though. He has a lovely speaking voice & lovely looks, I'd love to see more of that gorgeous face with the lovely smile.  :love: :love: :love:

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Congrats To Axl for the Award , Im glad he seemed to enjoy the night :) 

Very classy speech by Axl.  That's class boy!   I love a Axl  :love:    I hope to someday bump into him and say Hi.  Maybe in Bethlehem or Las Vegas. 

Despite some hating posts in this thread (what are u doing here and what are u trying to achieve anyway?) i enjoyed the performance of my favorite band in the world, and im glad that we have a Golden God in the band now  : ok:


And its first time i enjoyed Nicolas Cage's performance  :P

Loved 'Its So Easy' from the show. Great to see these guys playing award shows (and reciving awards) - Long may it continue. So many positives. Yes, there are slight negatives as people comment - I think we live with those now and move on - I'd still take seeing these guys smashing it over the next few years playing, rather than Axl 'retire' just because the voice isnt as it was. What a waste. However.... and its a biggie, I still believe there are songs which still sound great live..('Easy', Mr B, Estranged etc etc) but also those that are difficult for me to watch.  Its clear to see 'Better' sounds horrible live. It even looks like an obvious struggle whilst being performed. Has done for a while. Love that song - up there with his best. But needs to be left out of Live shows forever unfortunately. But huge congrats to Axl - over the years he has missed out on many deserving awards - probably often over looked because he stays away from such limelight.

They say unthanks is the salary from the world. Thats a saying that probably sounds best in norwegian. :P

Nobody in europe seems to write about this event. Busy with that eurosong-scheize I guess.



Bridge school actually has one of the best versions of you're crazy. It just that certain sounds shouldn't be played unplugged. If they gonna do that stuff they should simply do as Nirvana and make a set fitting for acoustic and skip songs that won't work in that format.

A short interview with Duff on the Black Carpet.  He tells what his advise was to his daughter about being in a band.

@8:30:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oYiPW1NZ80

Duff is awesome, but Dee Snider was the star of that clip.  :peace:

with all due to respect to all that take GNR pictures.... Tony Trujillo's are far and away the best of the best! great quality

I literally came in my pants with this show. Axl was better than ever. Love the no lyrics in TIL to make Dizzy shine a little, so great Axl gives the other guys an opportunity to shine.

Always good to see Jam in the set, it's my favorite song of theirs.

We are all entitled to our opinions (ie he sounds great, he doesn't sound as good, buckethead is better than DJ etc)

but let's keep it coherent....he didn't sing during TIL to let Dizzy shine ?

I get the distinct impression that post might not be on the level.

And I get the impression some so called fans think they're smarter than the rest of us.
Congrats, you discovered sarcasm. Do you want a cookie?



/jarmo

you got chocolate chip?   :)

Jarmo....can you set up a Celine Dion "fan" site and maybe we can ship a few people off over there to criticize her every note and be her "fans"?

Just a thought.....

 : ok:

Did you pick Celine Dion because she is a fellow Vegas act?

that one was a slam dunk  : ok:

Jason... we have the same name! and i like ur enthusiasm for GNR but some of us are hoping for bigger and better things from GNR soon... that's all.... no need to ship any of us off

btw i love the vegas residency despite the negative connotations attached to it... cuz i love vegas so its a great bonus to go out there and see Axl

Yes fellow vegas act, also know very much for her voice, but more than anything to highlight the difference between a "rock act" and what she does.  I want my GnR to have fun, rock out, deliver energy....mistakes or slight imperfections I'm gonna live with....hell I expect it....it's a rock show.

Do people not see that difference?

I was foolin around....in comparing them....

we all love GNR here in some capacity... and we all love seeing them play... but here, or any fan site... people are gonna critique the performances and compare them... dont take it so personally

Critique is fine and differing opinions are what makes the world go around.  I've seen some awesome shows.  I've seen some rough shows.  But I feel as though the granularity of critique sometimes debated at nausea here,isn't appropriate for a rock show....GnR or not.

A symphony better be bang on.  Rock show is a rock show.

Am I all by myself in this train of thought?

I dont think anybody is looking for perfection....

but Axl sounds very different these days... thats a fact... i cant blame somebody if thats upsetting to them

Does it need to be brought up every thread of every show of the same tour?

Celine Dione sounds the exact same as when she was 16.
Exact!

That's fair.... I agree the criticism or the talk of lack of "rasp" can get tiresome.... i had no clue what Rasp even meant before i started following this guy on the internet....

and even tho I know i can be critical of the operation or lack of music, his voice is not something I go after, the guy who comes here and just states Axl sounded horrible, or Dj AShba is a poser! is just a waste of time



but ur dream of having everything peachy and positive all the time... is unrealistic... no matter what band you follow


and in an unrelated note... anybody know what happened to One In a Million... hes been MIA for a while... ive always enjoyed his posts

Axl is overweight and out of shape. It's frustrating that he allows himself to stay this way, especially when he has every resource imaginable to change it. It's not about how he looks, who cares, he's 52! But, at the same time just do a little damn cardio and be able to perform at a high level. Or retire. Crazy, but I felt like 'my team' lost the super bowl the other night. He was weak, out of breath, and an embarrassment.

here you go ja5on....lol

this is the kind of stuff that is uncalled for haha

Everything isn't rainbows.  But this isn't a newspaper giving unbiased reviews.  It's a fan site I believe.

DJ and Sweet Child....obviously there was something out of tune with his guitar.  And being the professional showman he is....he made due till he could swap out guitars.... And the rest of the band went along with it.  Done.

A multi page analysis of this issue is not needed.

Award was awesome. Acceptance speech was great.  I saw the band smiling while playing. Saw audience having a good time. I would normally expect 3-4 songs and we got way, WAY more.  Got to see the show streamed free while I'm in Northern Labrador....(pretty awesome).  It was a good night.  Camera men had difficulties following who was soloing on almost very song and there was some sort of stage and audience ruckus but....that's a rock show.  I normally wouldn't think of going to an award show but that one would have been worth it I think.

Vegas can't come soon enough.

Agreed.  This is the kind of rhetoric that gets tiresome quickly.

I agree with Jason.  Expressing your opinion is fine.  But, bringing up the same thing, show after shows, thread after thread, video posted after video posted, that's tiresome as well.  

Ali

Would you say the same thing in reverse?

Meaning, if there were 7 posts in a row about how someone had the "best time ever" and "Axl was on fire" and "it was the best concert in the history of concerts", would they also be told to pipe down?  That the point was made?

In case I'm being just too subtle, I obviously doubt that would ever, ever happen.  10 posts in row that every thing rocks?  All good in the hood.  3 in a row that's not all sunshine and puppy dog tails?  Tiresome and repetitive.  Off to Dead Horse with you "fake fan".

Maybe you're the kind of person who loves whines and complaints? I just don't. People who can't find anything nice to say are just utterly boring to be around.

To me going to a fan site and having fans enjoy what their favorite band is doing isn't an alien concept at all.
But then again, we all know some GN'R fans will never be happy, so you don't need to worry about that.


"I don't like this, that, that or that about this band. I'll go to a fan site and let everybody know". What a waste of time.. time to find another band that fills your requirements?



/jarmo

I'm the kind of person interested in an honest dialogue.  I find little value in the extreme positions that everything is awesome just as I do that everything sucks. 

At every GNR board I post at, I am never in either camp and always tell people that are that they are not being realistic.  Here, that means telling some of the pom-pom wavers to relax a bit.  Over at MYGNR, that means telling people that post "Axl is fat LOLZ" is not productive conversation.  In fact, over there, I've even engaged in some of the same talk you are so fond of.  Asking why if someone is clearly that unhappy with GNR, why keep following them?



Awww...woe is Jarmo.  Why do you always go down this road?

Interested in honest dialogue? Interesting. Considering you often choose to ignore answering questions.
What kind of honest one way are you actually interested in? Honestly..

Why do you need to tell people here to relax? Why is it a problem to you that some of us are able to enjoy what the band is doing? Instead of looking for things to complain about and only being able to say something nice if we are asked to?

If you're only here to try to put people down, you're on the wrong fucking site.



/jarmo

I think when a video is posted, all constructive comments should be welcome.

To put it more plainly, I am NOT looking for anything positive to get the thumbs up emoticon and anything remotely critical to be shut down and told to take it to another folder.

And to be clear, I mean constructive.  You want to bounce any and all "Axl is fat", "this is not GNR" types...fine.  I agree.  But "I don't know guys, this sounds a little shaky to me" is not a declaration of war.



Everything they do can't be awesome, Jarmo.  Its not real world. 

Not every crowd is the best crowd ever.  Not every rendition of WTTJ is a pantheon performance.  But that's all you ever want to hear.  You don't welcome frank discussion, you insist on blind worship.  Its not realistic.  And I don't just mean as it pertains to Guns N' Roses, I mean in life.

Seems like you're not familiar how this place works. So I'll explain it. No problem.

This main section is for people who like to talk about things related to the band. Since the band is active, it's mostly current activities and things relating to the present band.

The Dead Horse section is for people who like to discuss things that are not related to the present activities. Things that could be said and/or discussed at any point. For example, complaining about the setlist. It's not really relevant or fresh in 2014. The same posts could have been made any tour the band has made.

Because at the end of the day, what's interesting and fresh to you, might be something some of us discussed back in 2003! And 2006. And 2011 and 2014! Hence the name of the section, Dead Horse.




Wrong.

Seems like you still don't get that whole idea of this fan site. It's not about listing the things you think are wrong day after day. This site is for those fans who are excited about the band and support the band in 2014. If that means seeing them perform live, then so be it.

Not interested in having every show thread be about how the band sucked and played live. Where posts and comments are from people who weren't there. What's the fucking point?
I was at the show. I saw the fans there. Then I read the comments by people who weren't there and it's like day and night. You could look at a thread and think nobody liked the show when in fact there were thousands or tens of thousands of people who had the best time of their lives. Honest discussion?

Or having people tell others they should "relax" and not get too excited about going to a show because the setlist will suck, Axl will not show up or whatever bullshit they post. I am not interested in that.

You assume I expect everybody to like everything. It just shows how naive you think I am. On the contrary, I don't get people who think everything sucks.They have no place here. They can find another band that does what they want and when they want. I'm not interested in that crowd.  : ok:

 


/jarmo

No, I wouldn't say the same thing in reverse.  But, then again I haven't actually encountered an example of what you're talking about.  I don't find positive energy tiresome, generally speaking.  I find comments about someone's weight childish, unnecessary, not constructive and tiresome to read, along with the name-calling, etc.  

I don't see how you can even compare the reverse to this, unless you find positivity de-energizing.  I don't.  Again, though, I haven't encountered such a situation.

Ali

...Should we pretend everythings ok??? pfft.
  it was just bad.  :-\    

I cut off the rest of this post simply for brevity.  I did read it, and I do understand all points made.

I just have one follow up question.  Do you find no value in a person is interested in the current band, that wants to see the band well, wants to see new things...and sometimes can express that in terms of frustration that there seems to be such little movement on that front?  Is that person a wrong fan, as you see it?

I am of the opinion that no one that chooses to post at this site is some sort of bad fan.  We all know the drill before we log on.  I don't think anyone that posts at this particular site is here to shit on the band.  But sometimes, it seems like you are quick to accuse us of that if we dare say anything out of turn, as you define it.

I don't find that fair or accurate.

I stayed up until 3 in the god damn morning to watch that Golden Gods show, with work the next day at 8.  Would anyone that was not interested in the current state of Guns N' Roses do that?  Do you think I'm some sleeper agent sent here to spread discord?

twas a nice speech


probably a consentration-error. Happens with age and multitasking repetive stuff.

Vince Neil also done that during Shout at The Devil. He just stood there during the verse and then came in during the chorus.

Sometimes? Is sometimes 364 days of the year?

Yes, we all can feel frustrated with things in our lives. It's normal. Feeling frustrated every day and posting the same things over and over again? Seems like a waste of time. Get a hobby or something. ;)


As I've said, if you can't see anything good about the band today, maybe you need a break away from it or something. Maybe it's not healthy to be so frustrated, as you put it, in the long run?

Who wants to be surrounded by a bunch of negative Debbie Downers? Not many people Id' think. Yet on a message board, some think everybody wants these people around because they post their "honest opinion" or vent their frustrations.  :nervous:



/jarmo

Well, with all due respect, you can go fuck yourself.

I have bent over backwards this afternoon trying to have a conversation, and all I get is grief.  For a guy that allegedly has such a problem with sarcasm and smartassery, you sure can dish it out.  Maybe its just the taking it that you don't care for.

We're all on the same team here, Jarmo.  No matter how invested you seem to be painting some of us as the enemy.