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On every upcoming tour there are hopes and wishes for some new songs,covers or past songs to be on the setlist.
What do you think for this tour ?
My guess is that we'll hear some (more that 1) new songs and probably the set will have the same structure.
Other than that I hope for Down on the farm,Locomotive,IRS and get rid of Heaven's Door.
Opinions ?

I knew we would get full confirmation soon and we did. 

I think Oh My God, Silkworms and Going Down are to be included, even as Illusions songs.

I will be optimistic , opener checkmate/ No love remains song,  mid set list Atlas shrugged followed by Going down , encore Soul monster.
Would be cool also if Oh My god and silkworms are added to the set list.

I would Definitely be very disapointed if Oh my god and silkworms are the new "songs" since they are +10 years songs even played live last time in past 2001.

One new song would be fantastic and refreshing. And SO needed.

Little to no change.  That's my guess.

And admonishment for anyone that dares rolls their eyes at it playing out that way.

I think they'll change it around a lot.

Also the stage setup and presentation and theme and whatnot.

There will be very little change and "Oh My God," "Silkworms," and "Going Down" will be played.

And what is that based on, exactly?

The first four songs, in the same order, have not changed in 4 years worth of tours.  And before they started sticking 'Chinese' in the opening slot, those three songs were played in that order for 13 years worth of touring.

This is exactly what I think too.  Maybe we'll get a new 'jam' and that will count as the song. 

I'd love to hear an honest to god new song, but I don't know that's terribly realistic.

But other than the singles, Axl totally ignores the UYI albums.  How about something off of there instead yet another tour with 'Rocket Queen'?

Why change something successful ?
Indeed i don't see any big changes in the set or the stage setup.

They'll open with Chinese and take it from there. There just won't be any major changes because why would that happen? As pointed out GNR haven't been there in over two years. Therefore, of course, they'll deliver the tried and tested show.

Definitely hope the "new songs" to the set dont include covers or Oh my God

Pretty Tied Up would be bad ass tho!

I really hope to hear Oh My God from Guns N' Roses this time around. I consider it as the first Nu GN'R era song, so feel it holds a great importance and significance to fans of this particular era.

And that Rio 2011 sound check sounded awesome!!!...  :drool:

well that's why they sell cars in many colors..... so that there is something for everybody lol

never cared for the song in any way... but I can appreciate that it signaled a new era.....

Wait...  Guns soundchecked Oh My God in Rio 2011?

They did indeed...

I was just trying to find the YouTube clip of it, can't find it. Maybe someone can find it, if it's still on there. It's definite "drool" material.  :drool:

They Played Oh My God in the Rock In Rio soundcheck and Asunci?n too, I was there listening haha but no Axl, only the band, just like the Rock In Rio rehearsal, without Axl....

They will play the hits and that is what most people look forward to hearing not including us devoted fans on the message boards. Best were gonna get is maybe 4-6 different songs in the set list, some illusion era songs not previously played and maybe just maybe something new or something they haven't played in years.

And you're no ok with this?  Of course they're going to play the hits (what band doesn't)?  I get that essentially it has been the same tour, same setlist, for several years...but there has been (officially confirmed) reports that this upcoming tour is to have 2-3 new songs.  I'll take that, especially since there's no new album to tour behind.  You can't expect them to completely swap out the setlist and play obscure songs that only us forum fans want.

What is up for debate is what does "new" mean?  (i) CD era songs, (ii) previously unplayed UYI songs, or (iii) brand new songs from the current lineup.  I think BBF has put the kibosh on option (iii), but I'd be fine with a combo of (i) and (ii).   

I think in our heart of hearts we all know that "new songs" will mean a new cover, and something like 'Yesterdays' dusted off.

I fear you're right, since the only changes that have been made in the past are more covers (The Seeker, Whole Lotta Rosie) and UYI songs (Estranged, Civil War).

A man can dream, right?

The seeker, riff raff and the neil young song were "new" covers. Whole lotta rosie is old.Let's not hope for Heartbreak hotel... :rofl:
I think that in our heart of hearts we wish for new songs.period.
A perfected Oh my God and a couple more leftovers from CD.

Which we can't tell if the songs from those sessions are actual leftovers or simply put aside for future work. the word leftover is lowering...

Correct.  Sorry, I meant Riff Raff.  Yeah, OMG, Silkworms, and some other CD era stuff would be great.  It's certainly doable...we all know the names of several songs that are in various stages of completion.  There's no reason why it can't be any one of those songs.  Correction:  there is a reason...it just can't be blamed on the evil record company.

My concern with a brand spanking new song done live would be if they totally fuck it up and it gives you a bad impression of it.

True, but to me the holy shit factor of hearing a completely new song outweighs any technical issues that could arise by playing it live.

Oh My God, I would totally be just 'omagad'  :P new songs would be teh pwn too

Oh, I agree there.

I just look at it like 'Prostitute'.  Tried twice right away, then never again.  And for obvious reasons, it sounded terrible.

Given the band's aversion to proper preparation, it seems to me that some honest to god new song will be a total wing it sort of deal.  And if it bombs, it gets retired quickly.  So the only bootleg version we'd have is that first shaky performance.

Too bad there is no one on this board from South America.  Nope, no one here from South America at all.  ;)

Oh well ...   

From what I heard at the sound check, the current band can handle Oh My God just fine. But obviously we don't know how it was played, what synths were added or even if there was recorded parts in there too, but it sounded amazing.

I'm guessing you would have Ron doing the Navarro/Bucket solo, and Richard/DJ handling the rhythm.

Can't wait to hear OMG live again...  :D

Did GNR ever play Since I Don't Have You?

Only as intro to Sweet Child in 93. I would not want that in the set.I love hearing it on record though.

I'm not sure if I know this... but I definitely fear it.

Don't Damn Me would be a nice addition

I don't see Guns N' Roses bringing the same setlist and the same presentation and the same show to Brazil for the third time in (pretty much) only a small set of years. 

Would they do that?  Would they find that exciting themselves?  Hardly.  But who knows.

I was a little surprised, when I saw that last Rock in Rio show.  The set list and presention.  It was like a re-run.  That said, given the weather (and Axl having a fever), and the late show time, the band stuck it on the wall pretty, pretty good!  Estranged was so cool.

Oh My God was just... sick live. I watched it from the front row in Rock in Rio III and I wanted to smash skulls !! The song was so fuckin' powerful, it kicked major ass. The chorus was savage live, it works so well!!! I hope Oh My God gets back on the set list the same way I do want Oh My God on a new album. This song is so good it deserves a second chance.
I wish they play a few new songs and maybe one or another thing from Illusions (Dead Horse or Yesterdays would be very cool). But I think it's funny how some fans say "Oh open with The General " or any other new song. We only know about working titles!! Some songs don't fit as openers (depending of their styles)  and as we don't know these songs, we can't even have an opinion of where they would fit in into the set list. wow!
 I kinda miss 2009 and 2010 because there were more Chinese Democracy songs. Songs like IRS, If the World, Shackler's and Scraped are so strong live. Anyway I also dig the oldies back in town like Estranged, Civil War or even 14 Years.
There was a video from someone who filmed a small part of Oh My God from a rehearsal somewhere in the world (maybe it was in Brazil) but I don't have it. Anyone?

Not sure if I can post links here if not sorry Jarmo! Here's it I found it at youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fy2zjfhxU0

I really wanted to know how did Oh My God sounded on those last two gigs with Paul in Vegas.

Even from several hundred yards away and through a fence...that sounded sick!  Tommy killed it on bass!  Would really like to see how this lineup would play it.  I agree that OMG is an underated song...perhaps it's because when it came out it was just there by itself on an island with no support or follow up.  I think it's a great song and with proper backing could be huge.

Now and then I pop in the end of days soundtrack....at the time it was so exciting

As far as movie soundtracks go...that's a good one.  Besides OMG, there's Korn, Rob Zombie, Powerman 5000, and Eminem.   

Yeah its a nice soundtrack. Oh My God deserves a second chance, this song is a killer!

It's a great, great song.

Lyrically also, it's one of Rose's best latterday moments.

I think that the set will be the same of the last concerts, some changes, missings and additions.

But I hope to hear Silkworms again or Think About You, like at Rock in Rio III; Civil War and Estranged that I didn't listen yet; at least one new song and about the old songs: Dead Horse or Breakdown! ;D

those are my 2 favorite UYI songs that they haven't played live yet (new era).

I don't expect a massive shakeup in the set. Maybe a different cover. Maybe Tommy does "Going Down" as his solo spot. Aside from that, I'd expect much the same. Would love for them to alternate CD songs more often though. More ITW, IRS, Scraped, CITR, etc.

Apart for the new songs,maybe change a bit the old songs but what i really wish is Axl sing like 2010.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snAa-cBvwtE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG63aj8cWu0

If they play Atlas or The General I'll be happy.

Love this band!

2010 Axl's Voice was brilliant!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_g7KLiMqQ

Thanks so much for this, not only is his voice brilliant but he looked fantastic. There are quite a few videos of this song where he looks so happy especially with the crowd joining in.  :peace:

I was there, at the first row. It was magic!

30 000 people behind me

2 new songs and Going down please AXL  :love: :-*

I'm happy with any setlist with Better in it.  : ok:

It would be cool to hear   :drool:

OMG
Riad N' The Bedouins
Prostitute
Yesterdays
Shotgun Blues
Back Off Bitch
Don't Damn Me
Anything Goes

I actually liked the "new" covers at the 2012 Residency--The Seeker, and a fuller version of The Wall. I would be more than happy to get TWAT because I never heard it live and it is one of my GNR favorites.

Other than that, I wish SCOM will be dropped but I know it won't--it is such a cliche by now. I love YCBM live, it really rocks. I also hope to get Down on the Farm live, Ain't it Fun, or I don't care about you. Now THAT would be an evening to remember. 

Drop Scom ? ???
IMO one song that seems outdated and boring is Heaven's Door.That should be dropped at least for a couple upcoming tours.Play it again in i don't know...2017.
Somebody else in here would slap me for that but it's just an opinion.

There are songs that are forever stapled...I mean, going to a gnr concert and don't get sweet child,  you could be mine or rocket queen? No way, jose!

Even though I honestly don't care about these songs too much nowadays, I have to look at the big picture and understand they are a HUGE part of the GNR concert experience everyone is there for. And I'm cool with that and I'll sing my lungs off to these tunes next month either way.

One song a lot of people seems to want to be dropped is LALD. I just think it is an AMAZING live song...forever a highlight on my book! :drool:

I really hope that our loved motherfucker sing like this again.He sounds perfect.Ah! and rather than covers more Gnr songs.

If you like omg you also might like bands like hanzel und gretyl, rammstein etc

many think industrial and classic rock is mutually exclusive, I think not


mhm, at that time I was like 'mom you gotta hear this!!' :hihi: I was just like totally into it, still is.


verse sounds good, punky but whoever is the guitarplayer (the wavwav or w/e) he is painting hello kitty in the chorus.

Tommy is fucking nailing it tho, and the guitar in the verse...:headbanger: really hope it comes back

Agreed.

The 4.06.92 show in Oklahoma, they didn't play 'Welcome To The Jungle'.

Now, imagine that was the only time you ever saw them.  Wouldn't it always stick in your craw?   

Set lists! Set lists! Set lists!

The overwhelming favorite song - when (die hard) fans are polled - is usually Estranged.

Remember how Bumble teased it live and then on the next leg they played it (Rio V)? Axl and the band ofcourse will go with what they want and feel like and I'd be disappointed if they did otherwise (Metallica just announced a "fan decides set list" tour and of all the things they've done - I loved them all, felt they were all genuine - this one is rather embarrassing), but just maybe an ear has been to the ground regarding...

1. Oh My God
2. Locomotive


Dunno. Wishful thinking maybe  :smoking:

I'd love to hear those two but also for Riad to come back (their most Led Zeppelinish song next to Maddy) and be a monster live (remember 2002? Go find it on Youtube NOW!). Axl annihilated everyone on that.

One of my personal favorites, Right Next Door To Hell, I'm pretty sure they're NOT going to play. The only two songs less likely to be played are Get in the Ring and One in a Million.

Then ofcourse there's another personal favorite of mine.. Don't Damn Me. Never really felt it "takes off" on record but I've had hopes of one day hearing this live. I vividly remember a NY gig review of Guns in Rolling Stone (Axl was sick but still giving it his all) and - think it was David Fricke - it said at the end (praise to the band but a few low points): They should come out firing with DDM to open!

The thing about setlists is that everybody has their own "perfect" one.
So you can imagine how many perfect setlists exist in fans' minds at a show... Thousands! ;)

There was a time (no pun intended) when a song like Don't Cry wasn't part of the set. Or Estranged.

If one of the more known tracks was removed, will people miss it? Of course.




/jarmo

This is something I've been wondering when it comes to bands that have released like 10 to 20 albums.. how do they build their setlists? With Guns N' Roses it's a little easier as they don't have that many albums, although every one of those albums is a great one. But as you hinted there, it is impossible to build the perfect setlist to please everyone. What I'd like to see GN'R do again, would be something they did during some of the UYI tours; change the setlist from night to night. Play whatever they feel like playing at that exact moment.

How do you know that nowadays they are not doing exactly that?

Well, of course it might be that playing almost the same setlist from night to night is what they feel like doing.

It's a different thing hoping certain songs to be played one time somewhere,than expecting self-appealing setlists. I'm pretty sure all fans like 90% of the last set and everybody expects to hear Jungle opening.
One can't be serious saying to open with Yesterdays or playing Ain't it fun....

"The people of the Internet" sometimes forget that they're not the only ones attending these shows.

There's a lot of fans who got Appetite in high school, and then graduated, got jobs, got families and lost interest in music. But they're happy to slow dance to November Rain every few years at a show!
Or have a few drinks and get hammered!  :hihi:



/jarmo

Spot on.

From Twitter: bumblefoot: If I was to pick another Bumblefoot song to play as my solo for the next #GNR tour, which song would you like to hear...?




/jarmo

I sure hope for Cactus, though I know it's a long shot...

Im from Rio and I'll be attending the show!  :beer:
There's been a lot of publicity in radio stations, internet and banners across the city...i'm hoping for a packed venue, despite the fact the last major rock concerts here were a let down in terms of attendance.
Concerts used to take place at Pra?a da Apoteose venue...with a 40k ppl capacity... now promoters are using HSBC Arena instead, capacity is around 15K ppl only. However, ticket prices increased and thats my concern!

As for the setlist, im really not looking forward for big changes...I think there will be some new solos or jams only. If they keep Estranged, Civil War and Dont Cry thats fine with me! But theres always hope for a UYI surprise... imagine opening up with Right Next Door To Hell!?

REAL

 :love:

Very true.  And obviously, some songs will be in every GNR setlist from not until the end of time.

But the lack of variety from leg to leg is what leads to some people saying that Axl has been doing the same tour for 13 years.  And if you want to say "so what?", that is your prerogative.  But what you can't say is that they are wrong and there is great variety on display here.  Not really.

This is what leads to people saying they aren't buying a ticket going forward until they see what the show looks like.  Because most people feel they have already seen this show, some, several times.

This is why the UYI tour was so awesome.  The 3 main legs (May 1991 - August 1991, December 1991 - January 1993, February 1993 - July 1993) each had a different look and feel to it.  No matter how you slice it, since the band's relaunch, there has not been that sort of variety.

Love to hear Coma again- I was lucky enough to hear it live at the legendary 91' Greensboro show- still gives me goosebumps when I remember hearing them play that! : ok:

Not to that extend but there has been a variety in the years 2006 to now.
There were jazz jams then gone.There were different guitar duet solos,song intros and then dropped.
For the Illusions tour there was a bowl of 25+ songs to choose from.You could say that for Chinese Dem. as well but the leftovers are just now considered to be played and (hopefully) get out.

If the first 4 songs are NOT : Chinese, Jungle, Easy, Brownstone...it will be news.

Yes, there is a chance they might come out next week and have a whole new set up.  But, let's be honest, there is likely a better chance any one of us could write down a setlist right now and nail 90% of it, in order.

Guns n roses have never played a show in a a year with the number 4. Combine that with the strength of this lineup, and I think we'll be very happy with all the action this year.

If I was GNR, which I'm not, I'm just some loser, I'd think about doing mainstream shows and then find a way to do a fan-oriented show where I only did new material, I'd maybe find a way to search for mobiles and maybe make it 500-tops limited event with tix only available on forums and social media, and I'd use it to do these songs, and then I'd release one - only one - as a video single, shot on that night and professionally edited.

I'm listening to "No Love Remains" on YT and thinking this, and whatever GNR do I support them in all former and future projects - it's music that makes my world a better place! :peace:

you know what i think would be cool? if they started with night train and let a fan yell out "FROM HOLYWOOD GUNS N FUCKING ROSES" or somthing along yhose lines

HOLLYWOOD lol

Hahaha.

I miss that guy.  Great voice for that sort of thing.  He was our Michael Buffer.

He's still around, right? He's Bumblefoot guitar tech.

Really? 

I thought it was Duff's bass tech back in the day.  Mike Mayhue?  Might have the spelling wrong.

Yes, Mike McBob Mayhue. He was Duff's tech until 2008 I think, then he came back to GNR.

Here's a video from 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9gzyIQHWE

I think he is highly visible I. The brooklyn bowl clips..that's what was so spectacular and unique about being at that show you were practically backstage..

metallica started a SA tour last night and they debuted a new song.

hopefully GnR does the same.

the time is right.

yeah... Definitely would be nice...i think they will

the venom on here and other places will be awful if they don't lol

People are once again making their own expectations....




/jarmo

Better to have none and just be happy with whatever scraps you are fed, right? 

The whole "I complained because I had no shoes..." mindset.

Not really....

it was reported that the band was gunna play new songs and the same people were proven right when they reported about Vegas, SA etc...isnt that why people think they are going to ?

and why not play a new song?

I don't expect a new song.  If we get one, that's a bonus.  (see, Jarmo...I can do it)

If you think in legalese terms, nowhere were we promised a new, as yet unheard song.  I, like several folks I have talked to, think "new songs" will be defined as a new cover or two, and perhaps and as yet played by this band track from the UYI albums.

trust me, Jarmo, the number of people actually "expecting" a new song is slim.

I dont disagree... but Jarmop made it like we pulled it out of thin air that they are gonna do something new...getting our hopes up

but it was reported by a reliable source that they will... thats why people are expecting/hoping

Ok. So let me ask you this. Was it reported by that reliable source that they will play all those new songs this week? Or this upcoming leg of the tour?

The thing I'm reacting against here isn't what was said. Because I don't know if it's true or not since I don't know the source.

I'm just reacting to peoples' way of taking something as a promise of a certain thing happening at a certain time. When in fact that was never reported in any shape... :)




/jarmo

I loved the inclusion of UYI gems CW n' Estranged.

Both tended to be one of the better songs each night of the last tour, I thought.

When I saw them, I think 'Estranged' probably got the biggest reaction.

ha it was reported that they would play three new songs on this tour.... i don't know how you can try to spin that in many different ways....the people who reported it (we all know who) were proven accurate about some other things this year ...hence the expectation this is going to happen

did Axl say they will directly? no..so ofcourse if they dont .. you will say the band never promised anything!

i get it it... you dont want people to go ranting and raving if they dont play them...

but you know people will do that if they dont ... people want something new

Jarmo is just reflexively circling the wagons, but if you actually look at what is being said, no one really expects new songs.

How some of you manage to interpret that as "at the next show(s)", well that's up to you to explain....
Sorry for sticking to what was said instead of what you want was said....




/jarmo

By this rationale, if the entire tour comes and goes and no new songs are heard, can a critical comment be made then?

Or will you have some other way to excuse it?

After following Pearl Jam for years, all other bands setlist are a joke, especially Guns N Roses.
Eddie spends a couple of hours before each show figuring out the setlist, axl rose havent spent 1 hour in the last 10 years.

I guess how someone answers that question may depend on whether or not they see a distinction between MyGNR Forum making those statements to the fanbase and GN'R themselves making those statements.

Ali

Yeah, those are my 2 favorite bands, GNR & Pearl Jam.

The fan experiences could not be more different.  Communication, live show, basic respect for the fanbase.  Its night and day.

Well, he's the one that's constantly puffing out his chest, as he did above.

If you are going to get all uppity about people supposedly "demanding" new songs the first night although the comment about new songs was to be over the duration of the tour, you are telling us to shut our traps if they aren't played the first night.

Fine. 

So say they aren't played over the course of the entire tour.  Can we seriously expect Jarmo to say we have a legit beef at that point?  Or is that the point we pivot to how you can't trust those bastards at MYGNR anyway?

Once again, for the record, I personally expect no new songs.  You will not hear this gripe from me, personally.

I have no problems with the folks at MyGNR and their trustworthiness.  I'm not trying to imply anyone should.

I'm just saying that some people may not view a comment from MyGNR as being the same as a comment from GN'R in terms of being "official" or "confirmed".  Therefore, how they answer the question you asked may depend on how they view that.

Some may say you shouldn't have trusted MyGNR to be a definitive word, yes.

Ali

And that's fair.

Hey, they are names on a screen.  What the hell do I know about them, really?

I don't expect new songs, but playing even one would be a great sign, I think.  Shows there might still be a future.

I dont know about you guys but every show ive been to has been different in its own ways.

2002 Vancouver- sold everything of any value i owned to fly to vancouver too see the show that started and ended in a riot, but to honest that whole day for me seemed off like i knew somthing was going to go wrong gut feeling i guess. I didnt riot myself but watched from a safe distance waiting for my ride to find me.

2006 Edmonton-Band was great opened with jungle down on the farm was played bubbles came out on stage as did Sebastian. and Dizzy's piano solo angie was fucking killer.

2010 Saskatoon- The best show ive ever been to! front row, catcher in the rye was played after i yelled it out half a dozen times and if you check it out on youtube you can here Axl refering to the request from the front row about getting your entertainment value. shackler's revenge and whole lotta rosie kicked ass. It was the only time that tour that Sebastian Bach came on stage with Nick Sterling & Danko jones to close the show with "night train"  ;D now that my friends is a rare show! Paradise City was played that night with confetti cannon twice

2012 Las Vegas- What can i say first time in vegas was great. Estranged,civil war and TWAT was played along with covers Motivation,Another Brick in the Wall,Glad to Be Here,The Seeker and Don't Let it Bring You Down

2014 las vegas may31-???  : ok:

I gotta admit I am very pumped up to hear how this first show goes....

will there be a new song...

how will axl sound...

will axl wear the same stuff he wore all last tour like those hats and the glasses....shit like that



and hopefully Izzy rocks it out at some point too!

yeah...I'm pretty pumped too!  I hope there's an Axl siting (pic or video at the airport, hotel, etc.) soon.

I'm far more concerned he sounds good than I am in setlist variety.

Yes, I'd like it mixed up some.  And yes, I would absolutely love a new song.  But first things first, he needs to be in good voice.

I would take the same setlist in the same order, but with Axl in better voice, and consider that a win.

Anyone else wishes for the cycling shorts ?
White,red or black ? :hihi:

A new 'jam' would be amazing!  :hihi:

Won't be long now ladies and gentlemen.  The next chapter starts now.   : ok:

Great stories!
im sure you will remember those the rest of your life! :)

The famous Vancouver riot , and that  Saskatoon show which was surely one of the best gnr shows in the 2010s even tho i havent heard it.  Plus how many time the band have played a request? not many...

Do you think that a medley would fit ?
We had an older discussion about it but it's a long shot.Which songs to squeeze in there etc...

Riad would still be epic to see live.
Also one of my all time favs Prostitute .live it would be amazing, that one as the last song of the night :drool: :drool: :drool:

I.R.S could work well in the set around where catcher is now

How do you know this ? You friends with Axl ? You work for Guns N Roses ?.......

I'm not sure you have to take it literally to try and belittle what is a very valid point.

No Pearl Jam setlist is the same.  If they hit your town for 4 nights, you get 4 different shows.  Now, to be honest, that is nowhere near the norm for an arena type act.  Most have somewhat set setlists to go with lighting cues and whatnot.

But while Pearl Jam may be at the far end of the setlist variety scale, GNR is at the complete other end.  You can't expect every big time band to play a completely different set every night.  But you can absolutely expect variation leg to leg, which Axl does not do.  We could have typed up this tour's setlist before opening night, and been right.

At an average age of 70, The Stones offer more variation, not to mention new songs, from leg to leg than Guns N' Roses.  For whatever reason, it seems like they're going to stay on Autopilot for the foreseeable future.

.  No shit. What's the difference anyway? Pearl jam has like a zillion songs & release albums constantly- they all sound the same- GnR plays an entirely different type of music & vibe to their shows - they have certain songs like Jungle & Paradise City that are perfect for the beginning & end of the show- & other tunes that just work well in certain spots- Cd Jungle ISE Brownstone- gotta b the best & most intense opening in a hard rock show- if it ain't broke don't fix it! : ok:

True?but you know that will be met on here with ?yeah, but the fans had fun so shut it.?

I?m curious, is that also the justification for the late shows and corresponding booing?that ultimately the fans had a good time so all is forgiven forgotten?

On the flip side, it?s cool to see Civil War back in the mix, and that the setlist has already been expanded after a couple shows.  

It would be an interesting experiment to have people on here pick their dream setlist, not for one show, but for five shows.  Then we could examine the variance in songs.  Factors to take into account are a set that lasts over 2.5 hours and the fact that of those five shows, about 95% of the people (or higher) are attending only one show and therefore wouldn't understand your attempt at varying the songs.

My thoughts....for what they are worth.

Would I trade KOHD for COMA....damn right, but if I had the almighty power to make that call, I am sure I would piss off more people attending than would be happy.

Us that attend multiple shows (sometimes consecutively) are the minority....

 :peace:

I really don't think anybody would or should miss KOHD if they replaced it with a CD song or a Coma or something like that...

same with live and let Die...i mean.. those are cover songs that were performed and made famous to larger audiences by the old band...not this one...id rather they play more of the songs these guys chipped in on

i dont need them... but obviously thats just my feel on it

i agree with jarmo on one thing... you simply cant please everybody with the setlist... especially a GNR setlist... where the catalogue and history is complicated to say the least....

Id prefer as many CD era songs as possible ... thats what represents the current group even a little bit

So if you were outside the GNR concert asking people as they go in if they would rather hear KOHD vs Coma....you honestly think more people would say Coma?

I would say Coma, but I think I am in the minority here....


Note:  This is just for theoretical discussion purposes, because Axl can play what the fuck Axl wants and I'm still going and loving it. lol

I get it I get it....

my point was/is i dont think anybody would really miss those covers as long as the main GNR songs are played... play something from the newer versions of GNR over those covers ( i wont even say play a completely new song, cuz i know that makes me a whiner and a complainer)

Too often people get their back up and start making ridiculous suggestions.

Like being told that anyone that dares question the setlist is actually suggesting they drop things like WTTJ or YCBM.  That's obviously ridiculous.  No one is saying that.

I don't even see people all that fired up about setlists mid-leg.  But, people will say, and I am one of them, that the exact same songs in the exact same order on different legs of the tour (some, quite literally, a year or more apart) is not a good thing.  It certainly does nothing to dispel the theory that this is little more than a nostalgia act these days and not terribly interested in doing anything new.

But, no, no one is suggesting they drop WTTJ.  Or do some too cool for the room setlist for the uberfan with a bunch of b-sides or deep album cuts.

And for what has to be about the 847th time, "the people in the crowd seemed to enjoy it" has nothing to do with what is being discussed here.

What I believe your discussing is....
"Venus, Mars and Jupiter have alligned in the sky and GNR is coming over to my house for the sole purpose of playing my birthday party and have requested I put together a setlist of the songs, in order, I want them to perform.  And my answer would be...."

Right am I close?  Because otherwise we are back arguing the majority vs minority or tickets sales generation or as you quoted it
 "the people in the crowd seemed to enjoy it".

So Yes I would replace KOHD with Coma and a few other changes, but....I can still hardly wait for Vegas!

I think they are 2 different conversations.

The first would be the "dream" setlist.  Which, I think even going in you acknowledge is a literal dream and fantasy and unlikely to ever happen.  Like the people that put together setlists including 'Locomotive' (played 3 times EVER), 'Coma' (played 4 times EVER), and 'Breakdown' (played 2 times EVER).  And most of the big singles left out.  Or a setlist that is 35 songs long.  These are not real world.

But the other conversation is about more realistic suggestions.  In this scenario, songs like WTTY, SCOM, PC, YCBM, NR...all are present.  But maybe you take a group like 'It's So Easy', 'Mr. Brownstone', 'Rocket Queen', and only play 2 each night.  Rotate both the songs themselves and where they are played.  Play something off the UYI albums that was not a single.  Play 'Catcher' one night, and 'Street Of Dreams' the next.  That sort of thing.

What some fans are actually suggesting in that second example is not all that hard to do.  But you spend so much time knocking down strawmen arguments, you eventually throw up your hands.  Which...seems to be the intention of the people building up those strawmen.

I think the point some seem to be missing is, for the majority of fans, GN?R has become and forever will be a nostalgia act.
Most fans attend shows in hopes to hear the radio hits they grew up with. This is true for most if not all bands after a point in time.
In this case it?s songs written by an entirely different band.
That band ended in the mid 90?s, and material introduced by post UYI incarnations has been met with lukewarm at best reception.
The world isn?t clamoring for new GN?R, and no one outside of this forum has any delusions they will be returning to the top of the charts.
Their time came and went, regardless of lineup.

Plenty of Axl?s decisions, actions or lacktherof leave me scratching my head, but setlist selection isn?t really one of them.
Adding deep cuts sounds cool to me. More CD era tracks sounds nice to posters at htgth.
The majority of the crowd couldn't care less about either.

I think they have delivered exactly what  D-GenerationX has described as

"But the other conversation is about more realistic suggestions.  In this scenario, songs like WTTY, SCOM, PC, YCBM, NR...all are present.  But maybe you take a group like 'It's So Easy', 'Mr. Brownstone', 'Rocket Queen', and only play 2 each night.  Rotate both the songs themselves and where they are played.  Play something off the UYI albums that was not a single.  Play 'Catcher' one night, and 'Street Of Dreams' the next.  That sort of thing."

Here is my GNR Experience as an example:

(http://i62.tinypic.com/1z4bvrq.jpg)

You can see things like I.R.S., Madagascar, Scraped, Catcher, Out to Get Me, My Michelle, 14 Years, Civil War all alternated.
Now granted that is 6 concerts, so obviously if you attend more = more repeats.

Yeah this is pretty spot on...

my hopes for the setlist are purely just my personal opinion... and I don't think it would upset the overall crowd if they added CD songs and took out a couple covers/illusion songs

if steven tyler got a new band and played 75 percent old aerosmith songs instead of the new songs his band made... wouldnt that be ...

Oh, no doubt.

But here is more what I was getting at.  Before this tour, they had not played a show since mid 2013.  And that those 2013 shows were after a break from the ones in 2012.  Which were after a break from the ones done in 2011.

Yet over 3 years, and several months long break in between...what changed?  Not a hell of a lot.  One cover swapped out for another, a few instrumental solo swapped out for another, and a new song done by one Ron from his solo work.  None of which have to do with Guns N' Roses tunes.

People at over at MYGNR were posting setlists before this tour even started.  Were they doing it to be a smartass?  No question about it.  But the fact of the matter is that they were right.  All comedy comes from a grain of truth.  Because all they did was cut and paste the setlists from 2013. 

I'd really like to see There Was A Time become a staple

I would too, because its far and away my favorite song on the album.  The only new song I think stands up with any of their classic stuff.

But if there is a good live version of it, I don't have it.  Axl has a bugger of a time with those vocals.

.  That is at least 1 thing I think we can all agree on! I am so fortunate to hear it played in Canada sounding incredible then catching 2 of Franks's Drumstick's- amazing!  :beer:

The guitar work on TWAT is incredible, all the way through.

And Bucket's solo at the end is genius.  Sucks he didn't work out, but at least we have this brilliant track.

I disagree.  There are plenty of classics that do not belong in the same league as "This I love" and "Catcher"  among others.  Just my opinion.  This I love in person blew me away!

To me the 3 best live songs from CD are the title track, TIL and Sorry....

This I Love is really good live....it was a surprise to me and got a very good reception from the crowd the 2 times I saw it performed.

Omg... I forgot about "Sorry"

Amazing live!

Yes it is.but I'd prefer not to hear it again.The venom is injected.It's time for that whole thing to drop.

What does your comment mean?
 :D

I'd guess he thinks its about Slash, me I'd say Doug Goldstien... The slash song for my mind is Prostitue  ;)

Gimme IRS tonight!
What happened to IRS, If the World, Prostitute....
Gimme Twat!
Gimme Madagascar!!

Anyone else want one or more of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1upAw0WLVxs

C'mon ...  ;)

Came here to say the southamerican setlist is COLLOSAL and that i am one of those who got its ass kicked by it. Civil War, Shacklers, Used To Love Her, Catcher, Nice Boys, The Seeker, Better, new (and fabulous) solo spots and now we can expect rare gems with Duff.

I also wanted to say a public THANK YOU to Jarmo for helping me out in Florian?polis when I was freaking out trying to know how to access to the after show. He was very nice, kind and had no problem to have a picture with me. Also saw him in Sao Paulo at the box office, and today in PA's and BA's airports (we were in the same airplane).

Lastly, Frank Ferrer is THE MAN! What a nice and lovely person! And I have to say the same about Fernando Lebeis (who made a lot of fun of me because of my Corinthians t-shirt  :hihi: )

4 shows from 6 done! Now waiting for GNR + Duff in Argentina and Bolivia!

Rock on my friend, very happy you are having this awesome time!!!  :D

Great posts!

I cant belive that  Madagascar was last played in 2012.

I think the set list is great at this tour but i could easily see madagascar somewhere with the seeker, nightrain ect.

not complaining but i just notced this and i think its a nice thing to share.

Both 'Madagascar' and 'Street Of Dreams' got a lot of play over the years.  I assume that's why both are on the shelf now.