Here Today... Gone To Hell!

(http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/images/GNR_SA_2014)

There's a lot of rumors flying around about GN'R's return to South America. Dates, places...

Just have a little patience and it'll all be revealed tomorrow (Monday, December 23rd).
That's right, the official announcement is coming.  Tomorrow. : ok:

Happy holidays!



/jarmo

Nice, hoping for some streams, and those 3 new songs!

Cool. It would be even cooler to present the new songs in a live stream concert.

So cool Jarmo!   I am glad this forum was the first to announce this news!!

 :beer: thanks so much!!!!  ;) can't wait for dates  :D

Awesome ! Looks like the GNR plans rumor that came out is coming to fruition !

Enjoy your Sunday, tomorrow you can start making plans.  :D




/jarmo

Jarmo, no Costa Rica show right? i think i?ll leave forever with that bitter taste of the cancelation of that show here :(

IT'S A FESTIVUS MIRACLE!!!!!

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nice Xmas present GN?R!!!  : ok:

And thanks Jarmo  :)

I also hope we could have a hint about the new songs... Well maybe that one will come for Mardi Grass  ;D

Great news!!

Hope they come to Europe later next year.

Awesome news! Thanks for the update Jarmo  :yes:

Isle of Wight on June 15th would be good  ;)

Well; watching the most recent Rock in Rio festival show....and reminiscing (god the weather was awful that night). Lets hope for better weather and a successful tour. Bring it on.

Any overseas peeps considering heading over?

GREG

Hope we get some hints about a 2014 release as well! Now THAT would be a great Christmas present. :yes:

Great news, Jarmo

It is all quite exciting this time around. I have enjoyed the build up and announcement.

cool=) hope they will come to europe afterwards :peace:

FUCK YEAH. IM SO FUCKING READY FOR ANOTHER ROUND. BRING THE DATES ON.

damn, this band knows how to make me happy

It is always good to see you happy, Estebanf.  :peace:

Remember to report back on what concerts you are attending

thank you! :)

Count with that! :)

nice!
Once again I'll be there!

It's wrong to ask if they will play something new?

maybe 3 new songs...but you know...we'll see

I've said it 1000 times but warm up shows NYC!

http://gunsnroses.com/

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Happy Holidays From Guns N' Roses?

From everyone in Guns N' Roses, to all our fans around the world ? Happy Holidays!

As for everything else? ?yes, Jarmo is right.

Information coming soon!

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/jarmo

Nice, can't wait until GNR gets rolling again !

Awesome news!! Can't wait for the dates! :D

deleted?  :confused:

So, is that the official announcement? Or, just a stopgap until they announce the tour dates themselves?

Ali

I'm sure the info is coming as soon as everything is in place.





/jarmo

:D Classic GNR...

Are we having an announcemnet about the South American Tour today or for Valentine?s Day?  ???

We received an announcement of an announcement of probably announcement. Beyond pathetic.

I really hope that's not the case, but yeah, right now it certainly looks that way.

And everything goes your way every day of your perfect life right?
If something doesn't go as planned, does it make your life pathetic? Of course, not?

For whatever reason(s), the dates couldn't be announced today. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll be announced as soon as possible.
Even though chances are, you're not even planning on attending. Or are you?




/jarmo

If you're so smart and know all these things already, why make such a fuss about the announcement in the first place?

Who made a fuss?

Rumors are flying around to the left and right. I just made a little clarification on the matter.
It's still true, information is coming.  :)

I feel for the fans in South America who wanted to have the dates today. I have less understanding for people in other parts of the world, with no plans to attend the shows, who are only using this as an opportunity to post yet more drivel.




/jarmo

In GNR everything and always doesn't go right.

I can't plan to attend when I don't know where and when they are gonna to play?

In that case, I hope you can make your plans, along with the other fans attending, soon.  : ok:





/jarmo

You must be F-5'ing this page like all the time...

Regarding these "exclusives" that have been popping up on the forums as of late...Maybe it's best to leave this kind of thing to Guns N' Roses from here on out...

: ok:

But then...what's making this site 'better' then the other ones, announcing the same stuff a week in advance?

Probably less than you... :)




/jarmo

Jarmo, please in your own words. What did they tell you about the announcement? Were they 100% sure or they just said "maybe Dec 23rd"?

You already deleted my other "nerd"-answer to this topic so I see no sense in posting something alike. Even though I could come up with some pretty hilarious stuff. Then again your embarrasment of an announcement would just shine a little more.

In GNR world it's mean - "go fuck yourself".

a new low in gnr history

You guys are being a little mean spirited.

Guns have seemingly been more open and fun with the build up to this tour announcement, and you are now lambasting them and whoever else because of a slight delay.

I am sure the band would be happy to just shut the door and not say anything until a press released comes out, but do we really want to go back to those dark days?

Common sense will tell you that booking a tour is not exactly the easiest thing in the world. It is something that involves alot of third parties, and anyone here who has organised a wedding or something on a smaller scale will know how random something even of that size can be.

Jarmo, really you shouldn?t allow yourself to be the scapegoat or the human shield of someone else?s incompetence. If that was the case. Hey we all love Axl here. But we won?t let him mess around with our credibility.

1. If you make an announcement of an annoucement: Do the announcing or shut the fuck up to begin with!
2. We are still  in those dark days (new music, new songs, dvds, videos, interviews, insights...)
3. Common sense??? See 1. !

Show me another band with that attitude and unprofessional moves.
Every other bands could announce tours when they're supposed to announce. But GNR making an announce of  an announce of an announce of an announce of some information about announcements.

To be fair: It was Jarmo who was making the 'official' announcement. He was properbly hoping it would get his forum some more hits compared to mygnr who have reported on this whole thing since some time. Well now this has backfired and he looks like an idiot. I can't say I feel sorry for him but that's just me. It sure is embarassing like hell and the whole community has its fair share of entertainment.

DOK, your a funny one, chill did you loose an arm or something over this?

Your 'announcement of an announcement of an announcement' that you speak of is, generally speaking, for the benefit of the forums. It is the band reaching out to you, and me, and all the other posters here. It is something more informal, and most people like it.

The real world out there just get the press releases and very often do not know any different.

Do I sound upset? If so I apologize...it's just me setting the facts straight.

Hmm....as far as your post, the band and the (internet GNR-) community are concerned you have missed a year...or five?

I have been reading on and off, and posting a little. I have not seen so many films this year, not as many as I would have liked

Anyway, I am just going to wish you a happy Xmas. Life's too short  :peace:

Yeah, happy Christmas to you, too.

You posted a picture, doesn't require a lot of thought to do so. You need to be more original than that. Sorry.
Nerd?  :-*

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Regarding the why, how and if. I posted what was true when I made the original post. Things changed between then and now. It happens. Nothing I can do about it. Nothing you can do about it.

If somebody wants to call me names, go ahead. I don't care. You saw the update on the official site. You saw the poster image that was posted in this thread....
You're free to not believe anything I say, couldn't care less to be honest.

By the way, if you still believe that I started the site in 1996 for popularity, you're waaaaaay out of line. :)


Oh, and a Merry Christmas!  :)



/jarmo

Asking again, Jarmo, any chance for a show in Costa Rica? or Zero chance? please answer, thanks!

I have no idea. Sorry.




/jarmo

Cool, thanks for replying.

So, how many people who are bitching about the non-announcement or whatever were going to go to these South American concert anyway?

Maybe one or two? Less probably.

I know you already know all the dates.

Tell us now you jerk!

 ::)

The announcement is:

Vanessa's baby's name - Axl Jarmo Ashba Lebeis Santos Bacha.

(http://www.kiditude.com/images/products/detail_970_guns-n-roses-hat-bib-gift-set.jpg)

I don't live in South America, and my soon to be ex wife won't allow me to travel there, so I think I can wait for the dates.....   :peace:

What a bunch of miserable fucks some of you are. Take the blade away from the wrist for a few more days and just continue living your lives. Some of you need a day job or a hobby that doesn't consist of sulking away on a message board looking for "answers" on something that you have no control over and is really none of your business in the first place. You must know by now how this band operates, it is what it is.

Thank you Jarmo. We?ve been in similar situations before for the last 15 years or so. Shit happens often unfortunately.

Btw there is a update at Mygnrforum. The band is still working on a few dates. That?s the reason they changed plans. I don?t know if you were told about this.

I guess the right thing to do would?ve been to give you the info with the confirmed dates. And the none confirmed with an asterix and a TBA next to the date. Or with the disclaimer "all dates subject to change". But you don?t make that call. So you?re not the one to be blamed.

Marry Xmas to you too  :peace:

 :smoking: Dude's they are working on it. Why so serious? :o  In true GNR fashion we will have to wait a little. Aren't you guys use too this yet.  ::) the good news is they are hitting the road soon, so start counting those coins in your piggy bank!!!! I know I am. And I don't even know if they will do a show this year that I will be able too attend. But I am planning ahead. And it looks like the band is planning ahead too.  :peace: 

Tour In April, 09 > Paraguay

 : ok:

He certainly takes a lot of bullets on behalf of the operation, that's for sure.. 

He's like their White House Press Secretary, really.  Everything is rah-rah and pom-pom waving 24/7/365, and has to dance around direct questions from frustrated people tired of being jerked around every day.

Definition of a thankless job.

Does that matter?  They are just commenting on the situation as it plays out.

Is the merit of their opinion reliant on their zip code?

Well you know if you think about it, it was a nice Christmas present.  Got us all gathered at the boards yelling for more, seems to be our favorite thing to do.  Guess while we're here might as well remember to wish each other well.

Merry Christmas GNR!  Merry Christmas fans!

Even though many of us (I'd argue the majority of us) would rather a new album than yet more tour dates, this is still positive news.

And if they actually follow through with a new song or two on these dates (HUGE if, with this crew) that will buy them a good bit of goodwill.  We really haven't heard a truly new song in years.  We had the live bootlegs and leaks for literally years before they finally got the album out there.  An honest to god new song would be a great sign.

Glad to hear they have a tour plan for South American in 2014. Can't wait to see what else  we get next year!  :beer:

I think it's great news GNR is touring in South America. However, the way they handled it wasn't cool. Don't make an announcement for an announcement. I do think that Jarmo shouldn't be blamed at all. I think people need to lay off of him. He was given information and he thought that it would work out. It didn't and he isn't to blame at all!

No one should blame Jarmo, I agree.  He is just the messenger.

But, when people do find themselves a bit frustrated, Jarmo's lecturing tone will always get him some heat.

GnR back the ring motherfuckerz!!!

I don't think anyone is blaming anyone here, it's just yet another example of hopes being built up... for it not to happen after all. In my view nothing should of been said from any parties until it's 100% confirmed. These kind of instances leaves a bad taste in your mouth, and gives people yet more ammo to bash the band and it's inner workings.

 :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: <-----------90% of you. Merry christmas

People need to lay off Jarmo, you're acting as if he doesn't want to tell us

I can't understand how can some people be mad at this situation... come on: there has been an announcement! Let's enjoy it, and the things that are in the future! What does it change to have the real/confirmed dates today or in 24 / 48 hours? Geez

Some people urgently need a life...

Agree,
like every person in here is going to every concert and needs to make reservations...Big deal.

I live in Rio and I would love if the tour were already confirmed so I could start planning flights and hotels (I'm sure  they will play in Rio, but I want to go to as many gigs as I can afford). But there is nothing set on stone as of now, so what can I do about it? Bitching over the internet is not going to make plans come out any faster, so just roll with it... : ok:

I compare GNR to politics ...

There are the liberals and the conservatives...

The liberals say who cares we will know when we know...

And the conservatives are just they can't  understand why everything is so difficult for these people..

I fall in the middle somewhere

You can't understand why people are mad at this?  The band/management can't handle a simple press release...they can't even adhere to their own deadlines.  This speaks to a larger issue of lack of communication and poor planning.  It's always one step forward, two steps back.  We here of a new tour plus new songs (which are good things) and then this failure of the announcement.  And then to hear people (mainly in this forum) act like it's no big deal/happens all the time/nothing to see here just adds to the frustration.  IMO, it's foreshadowing what to expect from Guns this year (which is not much).  I hope I'm wrong.

Stop assuming shit.

You don't know why it happened. Or didn't happen in this case.


I think the idea was to get everything in place to be announced before Christmas, and that was what was supposed to happen. Unfortunately it didn't.
To say shit like "they can't handle a simple press release" is... Silly.



/jarmo

Of course I don't know why it happened or didn't happen (and never will)...the fact is that "something" happened, and it seems that "something" always happens, and then that "something" is always dismissed as no big deal, get a life, be happy with what you got.  That you can't appreciate the frustration there is...well...silly.

The frustration of having to wait a few days more for all things to be in place before the announcement?




/jarmo

Few days, or few weeks, or few months, or few years, or few millenniums with GNR you never know. Maybe they should doing biz meeting longer than 3 hours...?

Ha-ha-ha. So original and funny.





/jarmo

With all of Team Brazil's proven managerial experience, this is surprising.

Complaints, complaints, complaints.

All is well.  Nothing to see here. 

No...seriously, nothing to see here.

The fact that most people here actually believe that, and shame others for expressing some (read: any) frustration is mind-boggling.

Nice to read these words from you :)

So any clarification on the "5 years" quote, or will that be cleared up in a few days too?

I know.  Its crazy time.  I feel like I'm being Punk'd reading some of these responses.

My guesses are: Typo or misunderstanding.

Pick one, whatever makes you happier.  : ok: ;)



If you're upset that the planned announcement was delayed over the holidays, sorry. Things don't always go your way... What's next to be upset about? The date when the actual announcement is made or the words in it?



/jarmo

Calm down Johnny Defensive Pants...clearly we've struck a nerve.

Neither option makes me happier than the other...both are actually saddening.

What's sad is that this was a self-imposed deadline...the fans, forums, etc. weren't imposing any announcement ultimatum.  This was something that Management came up with, so you'd think they'd be able to follow through with their own plans.  And, when that didn't happen, instead of "hey sorry for blowing our load early but we jumped the gun (pun intended) a bit.  Our bad."  we get messages from you attacking fans that ask legitimate questions.

What's next to be upset about, you ask?  I guess I'll go with the next time Management fucks up an annoucement.  You cast everyone that shows any disagreement with you or Management as always negative/pissed off fans that will never be happy.  You're so wrong.

You struck a nerve? You're obviously way too self confident.
You're not the first, or last, person on a GN'R fan site complaining about something you have no control over, or something that might not even affect you personally....


Aww, the old eat the cake and have it too.

Fans don't have "demands"? Fans don't "demand" information from the band and/or management at every chance they got? Really?
Are you saying you know better than any of us, that there's no questions, or anything like that, regarding this upcoming tour from fans on the continent in question?


Because from my limited experience, fans in South America have been asking for information about new shows ever since the band left South America in October 2011!  :hihi:
I don't think they stopped when the show in Mexico was announced... But that's just me.



By the way, did you see those tweets from Axl today where he thanked the fans for our support and wished us happy holidays?

In case you missed them, here they are:
axlrose: Big Thanx 2 all r fans, r crew, the band, r friends, families n' all r supporters this last yr n' over the yrs! Happy Holidays! Merry Xmas!
axlrose: Hope every1 had a good yr! Wish every1 a Happy New Year n' a better next yr! Peace!! Axl





/jarmo

Wait, there's another planned announcement coming after the holidays?  What's that about?

The delay in the announcement is not the end of the world.  Trying to imply that's what people are saying is pretty dishonest.

What is actually being said is that this is simply just another indication this operation is run by the gang that can't shoot straight.

If anyone is overly defensive, its the people that can't bring themselves to say those words out loud, lest risk the wrath of the overlords.

Good move.  Smart move.

Those things are good to have in the bank.  Goodwill never hurt anyone.

The way I see it I don?t think this is the right way to communicate. They have an official website, facebook and twitter. Well they should post the information there when available.

I don?t understand this policy the band has of passing information to Mygnrforum or to Jarmo here. But since they want to do it this way. They should do it right. So if they don?t have everything in place about the tour. Then they shouldn?t jump the gun. Once they have all confirmed. That?s the right time to send the information to Jarmo or elsewhere.

But this thing about announcing that we will have announcement it?s just silly to say the least. Issue a statement when everything is ready to be made public. Or ask the promoters of the shows to confirm the dates and details.

They might think we?re Guinea Pigs or something. They are learning P.R. and commmunication skills. So they experiment with us in unofficial GN?R fans forums

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this but the GNR camp DID NOT start this, or any other, announcement. 

Three weeks ago, a fan forum site (not HTGTH) posted what they professed to be inside info given only to them of not only a Mexico show but also USA shows including Vegas residency, a South America tour and a few new songs, etc.  No source was given and according to them, they weren't "at liberty to divulge any further".

Predictably, all the fan forums picked up on this and I'm sure anyone and everyone connected with the GNR camp was bombarded with inquiries.

There was and is a lot of FALSE info, dates, venues, etc., going around so (I'm guessing) when the actual details were close at hand, the GNR camp issued that South America tour poster with the hope that they could give the confirmed dates within a day or two through some "official" channel i.e., gunsnroses.com or the promoter or venue or whomever announces those kinds of things.

So it's highly possible and most likely that the GNR camp would have loved to communicate this info in the proper manner but once info was leaked, they took steps to accelerate the confirmation process while clearing up the false info being spread.

so, this means we are not sure if GNR gave MyGNR that info on purpose? I thought that was kinda confirmed (even though I've never seen anyone from the GNR camp or Jarmo confirming it)

I'm only guessing but I would think that if GNR was going to give someone info to post on purpose that they would let them say it was them giving the info, right?

Edited to add:
Didn't it happen once before that someone (a venue if I'm not mistaken), made an announcement before they were supposed to and things got all facocked similar to this?  So maybe someone just jumped the gun before things were set.

Mygnrforum got the info about The Mexico Festival, South American Tour and a show in Vegas. BEFORE posting anything. They asked management about it. They confirmed. Fans begun asking about Vegas. So the moderators again asked management and they said Vegas is another residency, not just one show.

Then the Mexico thing was made official by the GN?R camp. And so far that?s the only official thing. Now Jarmo was told he will have the info about the South American tour on Dec 23rd. But management couldn?t get all the dates confirmed yet. So there was no announcement by Jarmo. I hope at some point Jarmo will be given the info. I mean Jarmo was given a pic of a poster, only that.

my guess is GNR wants to give one spectacular announcement, with confirmed dates and venues for all the countries at once. Maybe ONE from the many dates had some problems/issues, and they're trying to fix that to accomplish the goal of releasing all the dates at once.

I think its pretty safe to say that the southamerican tour is happening. I may agree GNR has some particular ways to communicate with the fans (but hey, it always been this way... it's GNR, and I must admit this fucked up way of communicating with the fans is one of it's charms  :hihi: )

For example, Nico Garzia, the big rock shows producer from Paraguay, has already said the tickets will be on sale in 15 days. I insist: we should be celebrating rather than fighting  :beer:

So they made an announcement about an announcement??  :confused:

Now I'm really confused. What were you saying about us being announcement guinea pigs??  ???

NO!!!!!! They got the info and THEY ASKED MANAGENT if that info was true. Management said yes. So they made the announcement.

My comment about Guinea Pigs was because if the South American tour or the Vegas thing ends up in nothing for some reason. Then Management can cover their asses. They never made an official announcement in their official website. There never was an official press release. They could said it?s all Jarmo?s and Mygnrforum posting some "rumor". When in fact they confirmed in private.
They want to avoid the situation Doug Goldstein faced back in 2001 when an Euro tour was cancelled. And Axl didn?t even know he had a tour.
My guess is Axl found about this stupid way of communication. And he stopped it because it?s not the way he wants things to be done. So we will have the info when Axl believes it?s the right time to make it public. For me it is very hard to believe that Axl is behind and supports this silly game of giving away info in private to some fans who are administrators of unofficial forums.

I'm too self-confident???  Perhaps if I said "I struck a nerve" but don't worry, I promise I don't hold myself up in too high regard.   ;D

What I meant when I said "we" struck a nerve, is that anyone who mutters even an ounze of questioning (not even criticism, but just questions like "an annoucement to make an announcement, what's up with that?") is met with the (predictable) harsh reply of quit complaining over things you have no control over, take what you get and like it, and you're just a typical complaining, never satisfied fan.

First, thanks for the reminder that I have no control over the day to day operations of Guns n Roses.  Second, no shit.  Third, don't take my words out of context.  I never said fans don't have demands or demand information.  Of course they do...and if this announcement was fan driven, and Management did not follow through, then there's no blame to put on the Management.  My whole point was this was their own deadline...their own demand...so you'd think a reasonably competent team would be able to comply with their own deadlines.  

Will it personally affect my life (again, deflecting from the real issue)...of course not.  But that's not the issue.  The issue is building positive momentum for the band...and they were moving in that direction with the initial news of new shows and new songs.  Can they/are they still headed in that direction?  Perhaps...but the announcement of an announcement, and then retraction of the announcement which may or may not have contained a typo or misunderstanding is a bit odd at best, and speaks to a larger issue of mis-management at worst.

And I did read Axl's tweets...I'm happy as shit for the band to get back in the saddle.  I'll just believe it when I see it (not read it).

Correctamundo. 

Wouldn't change a word.

I am so happy that I have a life outside of GNR and do not feel compelled to get caught up in the minutia. It really is a relief not to have all that drama in my life about what will happen when, or if, or where, or anything else. Luckily, real life keeps me plenty busy.

That said, if the when, if, or where happens, I will try to be there.

More of the usual from you. The response of the objective fan. Who doesn't need to know anything to point fingers since pointing fingers is what all the cool Internet kids do....  :hihi:


All of you must exactly know what happened since you're attacking the band's management. Which is interesting. Because in reality, the people who know, who are working on these things aren't pointing any fingers at all. It's only the fans... As usual.




It speaks of wanting to get the dates confirmed in time for Christmas but not being able to do so.

The irony in the situation is that the same people who are always crying for updates are now saying they shouldn't post any updates if they're not 100% sure. Which is something I say all the time. But in this case, they were sure it was gonna be done. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted the update.  :)





/jarmo

Then why doesn't Management say that officially, instead of relying on their good little soldiers like you?  Seriously, (putting aside the typo or misunderstanding) a simple "we wanted to get this info. out ASAP and in time for Christmas, but unfortunately we're not able to have a complete set of confirmed dates in time...but have no fear, GnR's ready to rock your ass off in 2014!" would do the trick.  At least for me, the kind, benevolent, objective fan with a real life and job...I can't speak for the malcontent, never satisfied internet trolls that you know so much about (and that we're all painted as).  F those clowns.

Because it doesn't for everyone else?  

Anyone expressing legit criticism, or even just making a joke about the goings on, life doesn't keep them busy?  They lie awake at night obsessing over Guns N' Roses before drifting off to sleep, then wake up with the same one track focus?

Is that real world?

It's easier to think of us all as worthless losers still living in our parent's basement with our AFD flag on the ceiling, doing nothing all day but constantly obsessing, nit-picking and complaining about the band and its Management on internet forums. 

Reality would be much too difficult to deal with.

No, actually we know what didn't happen.  We were told something was coming that didn't come.  So we sort of shake our heads and chuckle to ourselves because its just more of the same.  No real harm done.  No one is calling for anyone's badge here.

We can do such things because the gravy train won't stop rolling for us due to our insubordination.

Information coming soon kinda says the same in less words and less sugar coated way....  :)




You're funny.

It seems like in your world, seeing the big picture and having some understanding of a situation means you're afraid to speak your mind.... In my opinion, those two aren't the same thing.  :)



/jarmo

Being afraid to speak your mind is when you never have anything bad to say, ever, and you sick the dogs of war on anyone that does.  That's being afraid to speak your mind.  100% positive, crush all dissent.

What's funny here is that I actually subscribe to your general world view on the topic of their management.  In this case, it is Axl's band and he can use who he likes.  When threads about Team Brazil needing to go come up on other boards, I don't join in.  He's going to use who he's going to use.

That doesn't mean I have to laud everything they do and never call them out when warranted.  Simply put, you are never, ever, EVER going to do that, and for obvious reasons.  Oddly, I have made the argument at other boards that if any of us were given the opportunity you were given, we likely wouldn't go out of our way to rock the boat either.  I just think credibility is really sacrificed when you feel the need to slap the hands of anyone and everyone that dares speaks out.

Logically, sheer law of averages, some of the "cool kids on the internet" have to, eventually, have a legit point.  Even by accident.  To suggest otherwise is foolishness.

You often come off like a partisan politician that would have you believe the other side has never ever, in the history of the universe, had a good idea or a legit gripe.  That mindset doesn't resonate outside the echo chamber, however.

I speak my mind all the time. That's why some of you have the issues you do with me. If I was afraid, I'd be quiet.
I just happen to see things differently than you. So you assume it's because I'm afraid of something. Because it makes sense to you. Doesn't make it a fact or something I'd agree with.





Different points of view. Different experiences, different knowledge. Different people.  :)




/jarmo

I'm from Brazil and I will make sure to not spend a single dime next year to watch this cash grab tour. Sure, you can take the money from a lot of stupid South Americans who think Slash is still in the band, not me.

1 album of original material in what? 22 years? After that? Covers album with real GNR, Real GNR greatest hits, Real GNR live album and then, the anti-climatic CD with its 14 so-so songs and endless touring. Pathetic.

Axl doesn't owe me shit but I guess I have the right to speak my mind in the band's official forum right? I'm sure BBF agrees with all I wrote. Too bad that when he mentions it, he chickens out and says it's all a joke.

Speaking of BBF, does he know there's a tour coming? LOLS! Happy new year everybody!

Jarmo -

The fact that you never step out of line and be critical is just that, a fact.  Its not my opinion, my spin, my take, or anything along those lines.  Its a stone cold, cannot even be debated fact of life.

As I've said previously, if you ever did step up and say anything critical, that news would ring out on every GNR board on the internet.  Even conceding someone with a beef has a point would be news.  Its also never, ever, ever going to happen, and every single one of us knows it, up to and including you.

However, end of the day, I'm just some dude on the internet and you get to travel with the band.  I am under no delusions that you give a flying shit what I think.

I don't think the "stupid South Americans" will miss you at the shows. I'm sure they'll be enjoying hearing and watching their favorite band on stage while you sit and type about how much it sucks on a computer... :)




You're right, I'm not gonna be critical for the sake of being critical. Which seems to be the popular thing to do for some. Do you really think I need to tell the band's management I'd love to hear a new album ASAP on a weekly/monthly basis on the Internet? I'm sure they know this. I'm sure they understand what a regular GN'R fan wants.

I'm not gonna post "Well, I think they should do this and that and everyone would be happy". You know why? Because I don't assume people in or around the band are idiots....  :)





/jarmo

and does that make them better fans than me? cause they are ok with hearing SCOM for the millionth time while I wish they would stop touring for a while and focus on a new album? and why do you need to sign every one of your posts? jesus!

Does it make a fan who likes to spend money on tickets to see his/her favorite band live a better fan?
Also, your idea of boycott sure worked well in all those years when we had no shows, didn't it...


I sign my posts to annoy you.  :-*
No need to call me Jesus.


/jarmo

Then take something smaller time.  Example : Fernando's announcement that there would soon be an announcement...which, of course, never came.

To most of us, that was a rather eye rolling situation.  We weren't calling for his execution or anything, but there was a very widespread opinion that was poorly handled.

Would you EVER agree with anyone on that?  I'd say no.  You'd post a bunch of passive aggressive things that end in question marks.  Maybe they have a plan?  Maybe we should be patient?  Maybe we don't know the facts?  Maybe we should just shut the fuck up?

But if you even so much as said something innocuous as "yeah, that maybe wasn't the best idea", jaws would drop.  Believe that.

And its strains credulity to its absolute breaking point to suggest you have never had that sort of though about something they did.  Its human nature.  Sweet as your arrangement may be, you are still a rational, thinking person at the end of the day.

I'm trying to understand the idea of me having to attack Fernando for something he said about updates.

And yes, I'll ask you a question. Did it occur to you that if somebody's constantly bombarded with questions/demands for updates, he or she might say something that he/she then is attacked for? Simple because the update wasn't up to your "standards" or wishes. Or because plans changed.

This is part of what sets us apart.

What's the point anyway? You think the band needs to know the update wasn't to the liking of certain fans? Once again, I'm not assuming the band or management are stupid. They know fans want updates, fans want albums, fans want this or that. And they want it now.





/jarmo

I don't know, does it? Why do you answer questions with other questions?

My idea is not a boycott of any sorts. I know I won't make a difference cause there are lots of others south americans who just come in their pants when they hear dj ashba covering one of slash solos. I'm just sharing my opinion champ, feel free to delete it, the forum is yours.

The signing thing annoys everybody, not just me. But again, it's your forum. Have fun!

See you in Brazil! (not really)

Because I'm not gonna make generalizations based on what fits my "needs".

I think fans who spend their money on their favorite artists deserves some respect. It takes a bit more to do so than to post whiny posts on the Internet for example.



I don't know how prone South American male fans are to premature ejaculation. I'll let you comment on such things.



 ;D



/jarmo

So starting a show with 3 hours delays is a respect? And don't try to tell me I'm just posting a whinny posts on internet. I was waiting for GNR about 7 hours (Prague and Rybnik).

He's making fun of you and others for attending the shows and you're attacking me.
Ironic.




/jarmo

The sign thing does not annoys me, do not speak for others, speak only for you. If you hate this band, if you do not want to go to the tour if you do not want to spend any real for this band just don't do it, there is no need to go to a forum and tell everybody what you will or wont do.
If you read your posts you do not even have an opinion just whining about what you do not like.

If I were you, jarmo, I'd keep defending Guns every fucking day in every fucking way until Axl punches your ticket.  You get to live the ultimate Guns fan fantasy.  That's amazing and seemingly incredibly rare for any fan with or without a 20 year old fan site.

Everyone remembers the lambasting Madison got from Axl ten years ago, well presumably from Axl himself and that must have fucking crushed a part of her whole world into smithereens.  She wasn't even really associated with the band.

For you to even allude to even speaking a morsel of smack about Guns must terrify you.  It would me.  So keep it up and mind your manners and keep living every die hard Guns fans collective dream.  Good on you bro...(-?-)

That is just not true.  What you're saying isn't supported by the facts.  (not picking on you or anyone else. just using your post to show where I disagree ..... that and your "guinea pig" reference freaked me out)

There was never a source listed for where that info posted on mygnr originally came from or who in "management" confirmed it thus giving their blessing to post. ("confirmed in private"?? seriously??)

Again, I'm not questioning if the info posted is correct or not.  I'm questioning who the source is and why they can't tell us who confirmed it.  (I'm not a member of mygnr or nightrain forum or paradisecity.com so I'm going by what I read from people like you who repost the info onto htgth.)

The situation with the South America poster is case-in-point.  We know for a FACT where it came from so they can't deny it or say it was admin@htgth "posting some rumor" as you suggested. 
gunsnroses.com even went as far to post immediately after their self-imposed announcement details date past to post on the OFFICIAL site:  As for everything else? ?yes, Jarmo is right.  Information coming soon!
No plausible deniability or soup for you, Axl!!!  NEXT!!!  :P

Anyways ...
I'm just stating my opinion that I believe the info posted three weeks ago might have been the catalyst for the current situation, i.e., we know info is coming soon but right now the GNR Camp/Axl/Management/whomever aren't ready, willing and/or able to give us those details (besides Mexico).
   

The real world is whatever you make. You seem to be a bit sensitive. Maybe the words hit home and made you uncomfortable?

This is ridiculous people, no point in arguing amongst ourselves. Fact is, is that this is typical GN'R, and we should come to accept that this is the way the band operates. Info gets leaked out, announcements are made, cinema releases are planned, DVD's are filmed, tours are booked..... only for things to be delayed or even cancelled.

This is no different, in fact it's exactly GN'R behaviour, like it or not.  :P

Man, it's like a script.  I could do your part.

Look, it's just a goofy premise.  That's all.

To interrupt this complain to no end fest.lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouxbu-bfbVY

I agree with you that GnR is its own special brand of crazy...what's frustrating is that many people here try to pass that crazy off as normal, as in this type of stuff (e.g. no new music, same tours, inability to release a DVD/make an annoucement) happens to every band.  I just don't get that.

Blah blah blah. What the hell happened to the announcement?

Hold it right there! I won?t tolerate to be called and liar. The administrators from Mygnrforum said that someone gave them the information. So they asked management about it. And managemet confirmed.Once it was confirmed they posted it. THEY TOLD FANS IT WAS CONFIRMED BY MANAGEMENT. What they got was the following: In a March show in Mexico, South American Tour and Vegas. THEY WERE NOT GIVEN MORE DETAILS. As we know the show in Mexico was made official now. If you don?t check Mygnrforum then you don?t know jack shit about the information they are posting and their communication with management.

Jarmo posted he was going to announce the details about the South American Tour. Who do you think told Jarmo that there was an announcement coming? Well management. But maybe you think it was an allien from Mars. Fine, believe whatever you want.

Jarmo clearly was told in private. Well the guys from Mygnrforum were told in private as well. Do I like this kind of policy from management? Hell no!!! Management must make the official information available in the GN?R official website

Now, after I finished reading this entire thread, I need to get some rest... So much bullshit, so much nonesense...

I assume there's a lot of smart people here, but their time-wasting, judgmental, disrespectful attitude makes u all (u know who u are) really stupid!

Stop killing the messenger, stop speculating shit, stop demanding what ur not entitled to.

Sit down, relax, wait 4 the announcement (whenever it comes out) and plan everything for attending the show (if ur real interest IS attending to the shows).

Jarmo, we're waiting 4 the whole camp to come back to South America (specially Santiago, Chile) with open arms. Hope we have the time and the chance to share some beers!

- Baz.

Wasn't calling you a liar.  Just pointing out that your logic is flawed.


Not according to them.  What they said was that they aren't at liberty to divulge any further.
And again, I'm not questioning their info.


No.  Jarmo was given a flyer to post after false info was going around the forums about supposed SA dates & venues, etc.  To date, no official SA dates/venues have been confirmed by GNR or anyone else.


MY WHOLE POINT WAS/IS, IMO this announcing announcements situation is NOT the policy of the GNR management but is the result of trying to stop all the FALSE dates/venues that have been rumored since the plan of a SA tour was leaked three weeks ago.  Management wasn't given the opportunity to announce the tour through official channels.

Shit happens.  Seems they're trying to get all their ducks in a row.  Like they said:  Information is coming soon!

The guys from Mygnrforum DON?T HAVE THE DATES OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN TOUR. They were waiting for Jarmo to make that announcement on Dec 23rd just like the rest of us.

The rumor dates were started by promoters and journalists in South America NOT by Mygnrforum. Fans at Mygnrforum just posted that those rumors were around.

Jarmo got the flyer. How do you think he got it? Management sent it to him. According to Jarmo management was going to give him the dates on Dec 23rd. If that wasn?t the case then Jarmo should have never said he was going to make an announcement. There is no need to announce you got simple flyer. Don?t you think?  Yesterday I saw in GN?R official facebook that we still don?t have the dates confirmed. And that the rumors were just bullshit. But yesterday was not Dec 23rd. What was the announcement that Jarmo was going to make? A happy Holydays?

I only see 2 possibilities. Either Jarmo misunderstood or at the last minute managemnet was told to shut the fuck up. And stop giving information away to unnofficial forums.

I?m afraid announcing announcement is or was the policy. Just last month or so ago Fernando himself issue a short statement saying that they were trying to find the best way to give us what we need the most. And that was information. That?s an announcement about making a future announcement right there.

Why are you so bothered by it all. Have you made plans to go already?

So they did... they posted information on 23th that someday maybe they give us some information. Hilarious.

What bothers me is how management handles information/communication. We?re talking about GN?R not some garage band. They gotta be carefull with official information.But they decided to pass around or confirm information in unofficial forums first. GN?R has an official website. it?s not about my personal plans to attend shows. It?s about how things should be run.

I don?t wanna know the official news (of any kind) because management tells Jarmo or Mygnrforum.There is something called press release

And it also bothers me when people here claim that Mygnrforum administrators made things up. If they posted about the Mexico Festival, South American tour and Vegas it was because they asked management and they confirmed.

This is a part of 'the press' today tho. Many generic folks check here (or there) for gnr-news.

Then you're missing the third:

Management and the band THOUGHT they would have the dates confirmed by the 23rd, so that's the date they gave jarmo.

Then, something went wrong and they hit a snafu.  Who knows...maybe one of the promoters down in South America left on holiday before signing the contracts they were supposed to sign. Or they're still working to finalize contract details they thought were done.  Or a hundred other little tiny minute details (including some really annoying red tape that goes on with many of the governments, at both local and country levels) that go into this process hit some sort of snag.

And GnR isn't willing to release information that's only MOSTLY true, or PROBABLY true...because, if they do, and something falls through, they'd take a ton of shit for it.

So, to summarize, Option 3 is:

Something unforseen delayed the announcement.

Which, incidentally, is what the flyer basically said.  And we've heard no more because...that's still the situation.

Maybe they should just change the date on the flyer and "reissue" it every day?

They were essentially forced into saying SOMETHING because of the SA tour rumors, and rumored date/sites, floating around.  Think of the "announcement of an announcement" more as a response to repeated requests for information and confirmation of a rumor.

I think the band were just trying to help people on the forums that were reading provisional/rumoured tour dates by putting the official dates out there quickly, obviously it hasn't happened, so they have done the next best thing and said that the official tour dates will be released shortly.

All I can see is good intention from the band, and you are spitting fire over it, yet you are not even attending. How bizarre

And you'll probably get that, once the tour dates are officially announced.  Along with something more specific targeted to "us".

Here's the thing, though:

Fans bitch because the band doesn't communicate well with it's fan base.  That we are left in the dark over and over again.  For the record: I am squarely in the corner of those that believe that, in the past, their communication efforts have left something to be desired.  In other words: I was one of those bitching, too.

And then...the band tries to give the fans a heads up about something that's coming, something that had been rumored (and then was confirmed), and then had more specific rumors circulating (show dates and sites).  They actually targeted, specifically, the fan base to try to get some sort of update to us...

And the fans bitch some more about the form and function of that communication.

We can't have it both ways:

Either

1)The fan base wants ONLY official information via press release and NOTHING ELSE..which means no information until stuff is actually scheduled and happening.  

OR

2) We want them to reach out to us with updates and information as they go through the process.

Scenario 1 means we're going to be left waiting a LOT, and we're only going to hear, say, when a tour is set or an album is getting a release date.  In that case, you'll never get partial or incorrect information, but you're going to get a lot less of it, too.  And you'll never get confirmation/denial of "rumors, either.  "We don't comment on rumors and innuendo" is, perhaps, one of the most used PR lines in history....

Scenario 2 means, sometimes things are going to change, morph, or be incorrect as they work through the process.  But, in that case, we get more information and at least some clues as to where the band is headed, what it's plans are, and where it's collective "head" is at.  So long as they are likewise forthcoming when things change (as they did, and as they were, here), that is.

It seems to me like most of the fanbase has been clamoring for Scenario 2.  

But now wants GnR to be held to the "correctness" standard of Scenario 1.

I don't think there's a "happy medium" between the 2 above scenarios, because, largely, there are timing and logistical hurdles you simply can't overcome.

Someone refresh my memory:

During a somewhat recent (at least since 2002..so I'm not sure if "within the last 11 years is really recent) touring "segment", wasn't there a bogus show (or shows??) that was being promoted?  There were actual tickets sold, I remember.  Flyers/posters were dissemniated, I think.  It was  a show GnR had never booked, promoted as part of their tour, etc.  The "promoter" basically took advantage of the rumor that GnR were going to be playing "around" that area and then sold tickets to the show.

And I'm not referring to the bogus U.S. Show at that little dive roadhouse, either (in Georgia, maybe??).  It was either somewhere is Europe, Asia, or South America....maybe somewhere near Croatia?

TLDR;
We're getting some gnr-action early in 2014 ;D ccl @ details, really :coffee:

You are obsessed with plans. Ok, in 2002 I planned. I bought tickets. The tour got cancelled because of a riot in Philly. No explanation whatsoever, no rescheduel, nothing. I had to stick my tickets inside my ass. I hope dude that such thing never happen to you. I don?t wish any fan that one. So much for planning, uh?

And just because I?m not going (I don?t live in SA) I can?t travel around the world at this time that doesn?t mean I?m not interested in what they are doing.

I don?t get this thing oh if you?re not going shut the fuck up. I don?t care about who is going and who is not. If people wanna say something who are you to demand they must attend the show in order to speak?  Since when going to a show is a mandatory request to speak in a forum?

I'm not obsessed with anything. I read this thread a few days ago, you were moaning. I read it again today, and you are still moaning. And you are not even going. I just don't get it, that's all. You are like one of those strange ladies you get in London who stand on traffic islands and shout and swear at the traffic lights.

All that matters is the people that will eventually go to these concerts seem quite happy, from what I have read, because the 'announcement of the announcement' is official proof for them that a South American tour is being planned with the tour dates due soon.

What I mean is this. Let?s say you have info or rumors about a U.S. tour next summer. You have contact with managemnet and you ask them. The answer to you and everybody should be: 1) If it is true post it in the official website. So you and the whole world get the news.

2) If it is true but details are still being working out. They can confirm and add  "more details to be announced soon. Stay tune" So we have a confirmation and we know there will be more info as soon as possible. 3) If it is not true then they can also post in their official website that there are rumors and those rumors ar false. People shouldn?t believe anything they hear, and so on

All I?m saying is I think this is a better way to do things instead of telling Jarmo or someone at Mygnrforum. And it is even worst if they announce that they are going to announce a tour, album, DVD, or whatever the announcement is about

Ok so to be clear, one can only comment (sorry, complain) about the mis-handling of the (self-imposed) announcement if, and only if, they will be personally impacted, affected, or attending the SA shows? 

Also, loved your reasoning that the failure of the announcement was due to the good intentions of the band trying to clear up mis-information that was on some obscure SA promoter's website.  That's some Grade A spin right there.  Truth is: you (like us) have no fucking clue what went wrong or why it went wrong...just that something did and we're all left to wonder what.  So how come your reason is more valid than ours...and which SA show are you going to?

I?ve already knew it was true the day the people from MYgnrforum gave the info. I knew because they said they asked management and they confirmed. So I was sure. I was not concerned with the dates at all. And I?m not concerned now. I?m saying that I don?t like to get news this way. Things get messy, don?t they? Why shouldn?t I point out that things could be done in a better way? I?m not gonna say that everything is perfect and brilliant when I think it is not. I don?t mean only the tour. There is also the Vegas DVD and other things.

I get it.  The problem is, logistically and realistically, it doesn't work that way.  Because the questions you're getting aren't coming from (or through) your official web site, they are coming from external sources.  No company operates that way when approached with questions from "the press". And for the purposes of this discussion, that's sort of how the Mygnrforum (some of which, at least previously, WERE members of the press) "staff" and jarmo should be considered.  Companies either answer those questions, from those sources, or they tell them they won't comment on rumors.  You get one or the other...and it varies by company (and their current marketing bent).  No company, when asked a question like that, during direct contact says: "Oh, well, I'll transcribe that question on our official web site and answer it there..when our site admin has time to get it up".  They answer it, one way or another, during the initial contact.

When it is "true" (as in, everything is scheduled and set) you likely WILL get an announcement on the official web site, too.  What we got via jarmo and mygnrforum was "extra".  It was meant and targeted toward the fanbase, not "everyone".  That's the point, and it's something Fernando has specifically, and recently, said they're going to try to do.  Get information to "us" a bit better.   This seems like it was part of that process.

You don't issue a PR (or call a presser) every time you want to "talk" to your fanbase....because, if you do, the "real" press quickly starts ignoring your PR's (for various reasons).

And they essentially did #2, above, using jarmo to disseminate the information.  And they are hardly the first to "use" an alternate mouthpiece to get the word out about something interesting to their fanbase.

If your objection is that they're using the fan forums to get information to the fans....we're going to part company in terms of opinion on that one.  It seems the most obvious place to do so, to me, along with their official fan club forum.  But, given their membership...maybe they figure they reach more fans by doing it in a more public (and "free") outlet.

Allow me to use a somewhat related example:

J.K. Rowling (you know, the lady who wrote the Harry Potter books) recently wrote a piece of detective fiction under a pseudonym.

Someone in the press ferreted it out (via rumor and some detective work), and they went to her for a response.  She honestly answered the questions, admitting she had written the book, and she promised more information would be coming soon from her publishing house on the subject. The press published their findings and her interview.

Days (close to a week) later, her publishing house issued a press release acknowledging what had happened, in an official capacity.  There was more information included in that press release, some of it which corrected some things published in the original article, and some which clarified some of what Ms. Rowling said in her interview.

I don't see much of a difference, here, other than the size and scope of the interested parties (meaning, the GnR audience is a bit smaller, so it's not the London Times, nor the NY times, running with the info).  There are some differences in specific material, and likely points of contact...but it amounts to the same thing:  A rumor being confirmed, and commented on, by an artist to their "fanbase" (which, in Ms. Rowlings case, seems to be just about everyone)  BEFORE "official" word is sent out.

How many times have you seen an artist shoot down a rumor via social media or press interview?  Or confirm one?
Followed, SOMETIMES, by a Press Release or something on their web site....

Once upon a time, Guns sailed their ship your way. There was no contact with the fans, and we were left to fill in the gaps ourselves. It was like Lord of the Flies

It is a warts and all experience, but I think most people would prefer the band keep a close contact with the forums and fans, beit a flawed experience sometimes.

I think my only comment would be to say your piece then move on. I am wanting to hear excited SA fans speak as well. You are attaching a big cloud with rain to the thread, which shouldn't be happening. Guns are away to tour territories south of NA, it is exciting regardless of how it is announced

I couldn't (and I tried) have said it any better.

If we want contact and info, we have to realize there are two sides of that coin, and accept them. In terms of quality, timeliness, and the source(s) of that info/contact.

Or we can go back to hearing nothing until they issue a PR announcing a tour, or call a presser about an album release.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  I understand it was wrong from their part to keep silence for so many years. And that?s why I?d like to see the band functioning in a normal way once and for all. So yes, I want official information in official forums and a press release.

P.S. Mysteron honey, you don?t give me orders. You were a lot more funny before when you were telling people you were an insider.  I always had a good laugh in those golden years of your  :hihi:

I'll give Mysteron credit, he fooled a lot of people into thinking he was an insider.  I was reproved more than once by other posters when I dared to doubt his "credentials".   :P

Mysteron  was an insider and helped facilitate Hammerstein presales for the fans. 


People are complaining about shows that they are not attending.  They are also complaining about shows that may still occur on their originally scheduled dates.  Obviously these shows will occur in March or later so the fact we may wait a week or two before they are announced is meaningless. 

In short, I got info about an upcoming announcement and posted a heads up message.

There's no conspiracy at work here as far as I know. Something happened and the announcement was delayed.

You might think it's stupid that I posted, that's your opinion. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.



/jarmo

No one blames you, Jarmo.  They hung you out to dry, frankly.

What were you supposed to do?  Sit on the info?  Hardly.  Even with their shit track record, you are obviously going to go ahead and tell the gang once they tell you.

Hungary, 2003.





/jarmo

That's exactly my point, call it the "something happened".  It seems that something always happened.  There was going to be a theatrical release of the London show...but then "something happended."  There was going to be a dvd of the Vegas shows...but then "something happened."  This is just another "something happened" moment.  Who knows, this time (or all the times) the something happened could be something completely out of the band's/management's control.  We'll likely never know.

But for people to dismiss it by saying it's people complaining about shows they're not going to attend is entirely narrow-sighted at best, and willful ignorance at worst.

I personally couldn't care less about a tour in SA as I won't be attending. Still I can see why some would be frustrated by the "announcement" debacle, as it's just another example of GN'R not being able to get out of it's own way. Some may say it's no big deal, fans are just whining as usual, and that GN'R can do nothing right in some fans minds, can't please everyone etc etc.

Others might wonder if there's anything this band can't fuck up.

Shit happens, and seems intentions were well, but the announcement that wasn't could just serve as a reminder to the big fuck bag of disfunction GN'R has become.

Wow I didn't realize there were so many people from South America on this board  ;D

Thanks!  Did a quick search to make sure that was the one I was "remembering" and that was EXACTLY it.

What "big fuck bag of disfuction"??   ???   Maybe in the past but not if recent history.

Obviously nothing in business or in life is going to be 100% perfect but in the past four years, GNR have literally toured the entire world!!!  HOORAY FOR US ALL!!!

IMO, communication between the GNR camp/band members and fans continues to improve, i.e., meet n' greets, chats, etc.  As I've said numerous times, this whole announcement of the announcement thing could possibly have been averted if, three weeks ago when whomever in management confirmed the SA tour, etc., added to that confirmation something to the effect of "but please don't post it until we get solid info so as to avoid having to do damage control on false information."  The attempt at a fix hasn't turned out as they/we'd have hoped but at least they seem to be trying to get the right info out there.
 
As for the band sitting around together to write, I don't believe they're been doing this since like maybe 1991 if not longer.  Youze all have probably seen an interview Axl did sitting in his backyard talking about how he and Slash and the guys would call each other on the phone and say stuff like 'why don't we add this in here' or 'we should change that up there.'  My point being, this way of writing new material, to quote a cover song GNR has done in the recent past, "It's not unusual."

As far as the theater/dvd thing goes, IMO none of the previous shows should come to light in this fashion do to (again IMO) a big-time mistake in all the shows.  Hopefully it's been corrected and they can film away for release in any way, shape or form they'd like.

As for releasing a new album or a new CD era album or re-releasing CD remastered or whatever, I'm guessing the hold up is various contractual business type finagling.  Something Bumblefoot said during his tawkers.com chat kinda really points out how out-of-control these things can be.  Bumblefoot was asked by a fan named Alan if he has ever considered re-releasing his 1997 solo album Hermit. 

Ron's reply:
"Alan - Hermit is 100% owned by Shrapnel Recors and only they can re-release it.  I offered to remaster it, license it, manufacture it, everything, for years, but it's completely up to them..."

So with everything that Bumblefoot offered to do, he has still been unsuccessful after all these years to get his solo album re-released.  One can only imagine the obstacles something on the scale of a GNR release might be contractually up against.

Anyways.... I got my guns n' roses-colored glasses on and things are looking up from where I sit.  8)

Digging this up to say the columnist Ancelmo G?is wrote on his today's column on 'O Globo' (the biggest newspaper in Brazil) that the band is coming in MARCH for 7 concerts, starting in RIO on MARCH 20th, then going to Belo Horizonte, Bras?lia, S?o Paulo, Curitiba, Florian?polis and Porto Alegre.

http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/ancelmo/posts/2014/01/03/a-coluna-de-hoje-519751.asp

Nice!!!!

Hopefully these will be officially announced and confirmed soon. :)





/jarmo

Florian?polis  :drool:

Smirnoff Ice  :drool:

Guns N' Roses  :drool:

I might miss all the shows of the tour but trust me im NOT missing the Florianopolis one, if it gets confirmed!

Curitiba and Florian?polis. :drool:

Curitiba, Porto Alegre and Florian?polis...I don't know about the greenness of their grass, but the girls there are DAYUMMMM pretty! :drool:

a belated happy new year everybody Florian?polis....wow...maybe this time. I would love to go back to Brazil and follow this tour. Wonder if there will some warm up shows in The US b4 they head out to Mexico.....San Fran, LA or even San Diego where they have not been...Here`s hoping to epic things in 2014. All the best everyone

Haha, I lived in Hungary at the time, I remember I almost bought tickets...there were posters with Chinese Democracy, by the time I realized what's happening was revealed that all is a scam  :).

I am just looking at where the posting was 1 year ago...

I got a kick out of this one