Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This came up on my FB feed since I have "Ultimate Classic Rock" magazine as a like. This isn't surprising at all. If GNR loses Bumblefoot, it's a major blow to the band. Axl needs to get things going with a new album otherwise he'll be facing more issues with otter members of the band. 

Didn't he have to cancel solo shows when he joined GN'R? So, what's new?




/jarmo

Didn't he have to cancel solo shows when he joined GN'R? So, what's new?




/jarmo

I wonder who the next guitar will be? Ron, I think you just got fired from the band and I think it was your goal. Robin, come back! 

I wonder who the next guitar will be? Ron, I think you just got fired from the band and I think it was your goal. Robin, come back! 

What's GNR without a little tension?!

Ron seems to be more into his solo stuff,

The last thing GNR needs is to bring Robin or buckethead back

True enough, I think the lack of communication is part of the problem as well in listening to the interview.  I am sure they will, like always work it all out   : ok:

people always read too much into stuff.

Ok so what's your take on it?  Just some good old fashioned clowning around?  It's not hard to see Ron's frustrated.

i am not supposing or guessing about anything....

Ron had scheduled solo shows didn't he? which were then cancelled because it would conflict with his employer.... these are facts no?

and my point is... id be pretty pissed off too



but I do understand what you are saying youd prefer to not air dirty laundry in public... but hey GNR is a public thing or whatever you want to call it...rons a public figure...he was asked a question and answered it

Regardless, I'll never understand why Ron chooses to air his grievances publicly like he does. I have no doubts that there have been issues with the band and its management before, yet Ron seems to be the only one that we hear about because he deals with this publicly.

Well if he was told that he has to or should cancel his tour dates.... and then GNR doesnt tour... he loses out on that income...and then cant get an explanation or an answer about what the plan is....

doesnt he have the right to be angry? wouldnt you be angry?

do you think he cares if it makes them look bad in some peoples eyes? they did wrong by him if this is true...which... sounds like it is


they are all just at Axl's beckon call....and since his earning power isnt anything on his own... he has to ride it out...hes in a tough spot

Perhaps he really hates to do this on stage...but he's tried every other fucking way.

You know, to coin a phrase.

The one you mentioned about complaining about the private show was out of line.  I'm sure they were well compensated for that.

As for general frustration with this dysfunctional operation, I sure don't blame him.  He can't get an answer from his own band in weeks?  That's unacceptable.

We're nobody to judge what happens inside the GN'R camp - we are not there to know, you just hear from here and there and make your own little judgements. You're just supposing, guessing. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong - if he's inside the band and loves what he does inside (even if there are reasons for him to be angry at something) I don't think it's cool to go to the press to talk about it.

I have a band (a shitty garage band). I don't go talk to my family about issues in the band. I talk to the guys in the band.

I work at a place. If I have issues with my boss, I don't complain to my girl. I go talk to my boss and if I'm not happy, I'll leave.

Point is: doesn't matter if you see this as a band thing, as a employer / emloyee thing or whatever. It's useless to complain about it to the press. I really don't believe this kind of thing makes things better. But I do believe it makes things worse. Seems like he likes Axl. So if he does (and I do believe he does) maybe he should realize this kind of behavior ends up demaging even more Axl's image because he looks like a villain - again.

If I"m in a band, I don't want people to say shit about my band even though I might not be totally happy about it.

If I'm working at a place, I don't want people to say shit about the place that gives me ways to live my life, even though I might not be so happy about it.

No one put a gun on Ron's head to be there. I love the guy. I hope things are ok between the band and him.

My guess would be that he also had to pay a non-returnable deposit on these venues, so as well as dipping out on ticket sales he has lost money on setting these things up. Again a guess, but I'd imagine that the GnR fees would dwarf these gigs IF GnR shows go ahead, but then again maybe they don't.  :-\

Ron's a creative dude so he must get pretty frustrated with the lack of creative activity in GN'R. Even when he releases his own stuff, tries to tour it then has to cancel for yet another tour of GN'R hits it must get even doubly frustrating.

As far as the " Ron airing dirty laundry in public" goes, wasn't that the main thing Axl was doing on the UYI tour when he ranted at the audience about things in his life that were on his mind? I know it's technically *his* band, but let's not call Ron out for it, especially when it's something like this and not an attack on Warren Beatty or whoever was annoying Axl that day...

That said, I hope BBF can carry on playing with them as he's probably one of the only guitarists in the world at his technical level and it's awesome to see him play with them at such a high level.

I have always gotten the impression he's really the only one that questions the way things are done. 

I don't know if the others are just beaten down, or cowed, or whatever.  But Ron seems to be the only one that does not fall in line.  And perhaps the lone voice asking "Does this sound nuts to anyone else?"  You need that guy sometimes.

Is that really the case?  Or is it that Ron is the only one who raises questions publicly?

No offense, but how would you or I know if Tommy or Richard or Dizzy raised questions internally?

What's the difference?

We work with what we have.  I have these sorts of comments from him and nothing like that from the others.  That's the issue.

We always seem to run into this trap in the GNRverse, don't we?  Can't ever just talk about what's in front of us.  Because...hey, we don't know what happened "behind the scenes".  Oh, but we can probably assume its the complete opposite thing, almost always. 

All that does is shut down the conversation.  A band possibly the least entitled to the benefit of the doubt gets it in spades from certain segments of the fanbase.  And its always exonerating, isn't it?  What good fortune.

I think you have to acknowledge that we cannot know what goes on behind the scenes with this band, because, for no other reason, it's the truth.

That doesn't mean that there is complete incongruity between what the public sees and what the situation is in its totality (public and private).  It's just acknowledging that there is a possibility.

"...the man's a genius!" (Dennis Hopper/Apocalypse Now)

Tell me this, Ali.  Tell me if you either are this person, or if you at least accept the argument.

We have 25 years of public behavior from Axl Rose to draw from, right?  And while he is my favorite singer ever, always will be, the fact remains that he can act like an unprofessional jackass a lot of the time.  Late start times, flying off the handle with rants, burning many bridges all around.  We all see that.

But I have seen people say "oh, so you KNOW him, personally?"  And then we go into that since I didn't go to summer camp with him nor live in the same apartment complex, I can't possibly make an informed judgment on the man's behavior.

Yeah?  Bullshit.  Is it *possible* he's a prince of a guy out of the public eye, at complete odds with the person he's presented in public for 25 years?  I suppose.  Is it likely?  I'd argue no.  And I'd take it even further and say I'm not even arguing that, because you can't disprove a negative.  But I know what I see, and what I have seen since I stared following this guy at 12 years old.  He can be a little off.

Would you be a person that supports that concept?  Or do I not have the basis to make such an assessment?

But, to be fair, the reality is we don't have 25 years of public behavior from him.  We have bursts of a few years here and there of public behavior ('87-'93, 2000-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2010, 2011-2012).  Truthfully, there have been many years of complete and utter public silence from him.  In other words, he really hasn't been in the public eye for a period of 25 years continuously.

Always with the semantics.

The point is that we have a big enough body of work to form an opinion.  We don't have to be blood brothers.

But how it relates to Bumble's interview is that we go with what we know. 

Could have sworn I read this interview before but it was an interview with Slash and it was 1995 / 6.

Sick of the late starts.
No communication.
Not knowing when or if they would be starting work for a new album.
What knowing what the future plans are.
Not sure whether to commit to Guns or solo music. 
Pure frustration in general. 

I don't know what it is with Guns to be honest.  Is it management, is it Axl, is it legal issues? 
What actually makes it so difficult to get together and record music and get it out there.

Its really sad at this point and I get the feeling we will never actually know what the answer is. 

Hahahaha.

Oh, I think we know.  The common denominator for the same complaints over 2 decades is always one man.

You know what, when Ron joined GN'R in 2006. He WAS that guy who would sugar coat interviews to make it seem like "all is well and dandy", with the inner workings of GN'R. He would say that the band hang together all the time, he would say Axl's lateness was not an issue, and he would always make it seem like Chinese Democracy's release was right around the corner when asked.

BUT, now Ron has a totally different attitude, and he doesn't give a shit anymore about twisting the truth to give the "team Axl" answer. He has publicity criticised Axl's tardiness at arriving on time for shows, and has also let his frustrations be known about tour plans, recording, and a number of other things.

Fact is, no matter if Richard, Dizzy or Tommy raise issues behind the scenes. They know it's a no go area, to publibily speak negatively of Axl or management. Because they know how the press will jump on it, like a fish on a hook. But Ron has got to the point where he is almost daring Axl to make a move, and he just doesn't care because he can see that nothing has/or ever will change in relation to Guns lack of structure and common sense.

And lastly, no point in debating with Ali. He's one of those who wants to be seen as being the "Axl police", and he won't see the negative in anything and the things... The rest of us clearly are frustrated about. He would still be sitting behind his keyboard telling us to stop being negative, if we was still waiting for Chinese Democracy.  :hihi: (and I'm not joking either)

You didn't mention VR. They weren't exactly one happy united "gang" there at the end and it had nothing to do with that one man.  : ok:

He says something nice in the interview, but obviously it's not as interesting as something that can further the Axl the asshole myth.
The same guy who's let every guitarist play their own song at the shows. In front of huge crowds....

The simple point is: Bands can have "issues" like any relationship. Professional or otherwise.
Even a "professional" band like Metallica!

The difference is that with GN'R, Axl gets the blame. Even when we only hear one side of the story.

Ron knows what he's doing. I'm sure he's aware of what his comments will cause among fans. A band that's given him all kinds of opportunities, and the the focus is often on single issues like in the past when every other interview was about Axl going on late. Now that the shows start earlier, it's another issue.

He says something nice in the interview, but obviously it's not as interesting as something that can further the Axl the asshole myth.
The same guy who's let every guitarist play their own song at the shows. In front of huge crowds....



/jarmo

Yeah, because he likes leaving the stage a lot.  Do you dispute that?

Jarmo, do you think Ron's nearing the end of the road with GNR?  I mean, I know people can read into things, but it's very hard not to take what he's saying here as a very public calling out of Team Brazil...

No. But are you aware that they could've easily done something else instead of guitar solos? Do you dispute that?

Is that applicable though? 

If the conversation is about how every incarnation of GNR over 20 years has been plagued by the same problems, and Axl is the lone common denominator, does it really matter what some other band did?  Axl hasn't been taking the stage late for over 20 years and being standoffish and reclusive because Scott Weiland can be a dick.

To GN'R?  No, obviously not.  It was just an extension of your argument, though.  At least as I see it.  The 2nd incarnation of Snakepit and Velvet Revolver had issues with the lead guitarist and the lead singer clashing.  Using your argument, the common denominator would be the root cause of the issue.  That's all.

I have joked for years I would never get in a band with Slash at this point given his buzzard's luck with unpredictable frontmen.  Haha.

But no, its not an extension of my argument.  Slash eventually left because he tired of Axl's bullshit with late times and inactivity.  Years later Bucket left and Robin left for the same reasons.  The common denominator is Axl Rose.  And whether VR was a trainwreck or the greatest rock success story of alltime is irrelevant.

For the record, I don't think that Slash was at fault for the demise of his bands, but I suspect that it is not as black and white as those situations have been portrayed from his perspective either.  There are usually shades of gray in interpersonal conflicts.

Bullshit!!!! Slash recorded a song with The Dead Daisies. So if Richard didn?t betray Axl, then why BBF would if he team up with Slash?

Anyway, BBF has said management made contact with him. So everthing seems ok... at least for now

its verrrrry clear that he thinks its ridiculous to put out another record of material from buckethead and robin finck...and its very clear Axl has zero interest of writing new songs as a "band" or "group" ... and quite frankly... that fucking sucks

and to me this is the part that has the most juice and the most conflict

Bumblefoot: "The future is completely unpredictable; you all should know that. It's just trying to say, 'Alright, what direction is the tornado gonna turn?' Anything can be. I'm sure that 2014? Actually, I shouldn't say 'sure,' because it's unpredictable. But I can assume, but when we assume, we make an ass out of? Probably there will be some shows in the future, and I'm hoping that there will be some completed recordings in the future. I would like to see the band write as a band from the ground up and put some music out there. I've been saying for years that we shouldn't even tackle an entire album because it's too big a bite to take. It's too much ? it takes too much time, too much of an investment of life that just doesn't exist. Not in this day and age, and not where things are with the band. We'd be better off just doing a song at a time and putting that out. What I've always wanted to do was, before each time we go out and do a leg of touring, that we get together for a week in the studio, we write a song, we finish that song no matter what it takes, we finish it and we put it out and we play it on that leg, we give it to radio. Every single time we go out and play, we have a new song that we're doing. And if we did that, it would be an album worth of material done that would be done by this band right now. Yeah, if I was master of the universe, that's what would have happened. I mean, you're dealing with seven other people and everybody's gotta be on board and everyone has to agree on a strategy. And it has to coincide with any existing, or preexisting business agreements that are there as well. I mean, it's complicated."
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its verrrrry clear that he thinks its ridiculous to put out another record of material from buckethead and robin finck...and its very clear Axl has zero interest of writing new songs as a "band" or "group" ... and quite frankly... that fucking sucks

Where do you get that he thinks it's ridiculous? And where do you get the number on how interested Axl is in writing/recording with the band?

How about a years long track record?  How's that grab you?

Ron has said they have yet to be in a room all together to write a note.  Nada.  Zip.  Zilch.  He's been in the band 7 years now.

And this means he can't be interested in recording with the band in the future?
Nice try.

Read the whole quote.  :)

Seven years? This current line up didn't exist seven years ago. Just saying...

I don't think I need to break down the years since Dj joined because we all know what the band has done during that time.

Seven years? This current line up didn't exist seven years ago. Just saying...

I don't think I need to break down the years since Dj joined because we all know what the band has done during that time.



/jarmo

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Frankly, I rounded down.

This is the most confusing situation ever... a band that spent years making an album.  Did nothing to promote it. 

Didn't Axl sue Azoff (or the company) for lack of promotion?

  It just baffles me... whose to blame?  Why didn't they promote the album? 

Is it just a coincidence that every management team has failed? 

As fans of a band, the least you deserve to know is whether the band plans on releasing new music and if so, a rough idea of a timeframe.  2 years, 5 years, longer than that? 

This band just doesn't seem capable of any sustained productivity. 

Maybe Axl isn't satisfied with external terms/conditions (promo), dunno.

You can't go on walkabout for a year after your album comes out and then express surprise they don't want to really invest in promoting you going forward.

What are your thoughts on how Universal has handled the album?

Unfortunately I have no information for me to believe [that] there was any real involvement or effort from Interscope. I'm not saying there wasn't. But in my opinion, without [Interscope Geffen A&M chairman] Jimmy Iovine's involvement, it doesn't matter who anyone talks to or what they say -- virtually nothing will happen from their end.

I do know [that] I've been asking for a marketing plan for over five years and still haven't got anything. We've asked for a complete breakdown of promotion expenses and efforts from all parties but unfortunately I've received very little information, if anything, so far. On another note, the draft booklet leaking and, I believe, the early shipping of preorders and the inclusion of the early draft booklet for the release was through involvement with Interscope, which was a mess. That's not to say they don't work for other artists and make things happen. I feel they work very hard for whatever it is they truly want to sell, whether it's good or ...

I can say how the band feels, and that is that to a man they hate the record company other than Universal International with a passion. And that's with me talking with them about the record company negatively hardly ever, if at all. They're not blind: They hear the talk and see the results. Our involvement with Interscope has been more than frustrating for them. It's not like anyone here wants to have any negative views, impressions or opinions. They don't go around bitching about things all the time and they don't let it get in the way of whatever they're supposed to do here, but it is what it is.

Here's how things worked until they were no longer involved-that is, until recently. Jimmy [Iovine] and whoever would come down to the studio. Things would be good for a month. Then, according to whoever was involved at the time from their side, someone above Jimmy would start putting pressure regarding us on him, Jimmy would start pressuring others at his label [and they] would begin doing the same with us. We get that it's just how business -- and perhaps especially this business -- tends to work, but after a month of this the whole thing would get ugly and extensively interfere with getting anything productive done, and near the middle of the third month we'd arrange for Jimmy to come down again. They'd go away happy and the entire process would repeat itself over and over and over.

[Former Interscope Geffen A&M president] Tom Whalley brought in Roy Thomas Baker to produce and [A&R executive] Mark Williams suggested Marco Beltrami, among others, to play strings on the album. And Jimmy had an idea for low guitar in a track and the EQ on a drum part. That's it as far as I'm aware. They were all good things, but in all sincerity, that's it. Now, what efforts were made to help keep Universal or Vivendi off us for as long as possible could very well have been extensive, and in that regard either would have been or would be most appreciated. I like Jimmy, but I've never understood him in regard to us or this album. Everything's always been, "That's easy," or "We can fix that, no problem," but unfortunately rarely added up to any kind of reality for us until [he found] Bob Ludwig for mastering.

We'd love to have their and Jimmy's support after this. But to continue at this juncture feeling as we do, keeping things so behind the scenes, unfortunately feels like the same 'ol same 'ol for all of us and, at least momentarily, a bit much to digest. Jimmy did point us in the right direction for mastering, and I believe he's sincere in his appreciation of our record but still for whatever reasons gave up pretty early in those areas.

We feel that, unfortunately, we've never been really anything all that much more other than a throw it at the wall, see if it sticks, no real ground work, something to take advantage of, last quarter, cook the books, write-off, fuck this headache, hoping to get lucky scam. And, unfortunately, for all their nice words and assurances, nothing that's happened since the week or so before the release has shown us much of anything to the contrary. So at least in regard to the U.S., for the most part I don't look at it like we have a record company -- I look at it for the most part like we have friendly but otherwise cutthroat loan sharks, and we were lucky to get what we got but feel we could have done more if they were at least, especially with some of their backgrounds, a bit more involved creatively. So in light of pirating and the mess the major labels are in, I have no sympathy for the record companies, based on our experiences in the U.S.

Aren't you rewriting history by stating something like that?

What is he supposed to do? It's his and the band's record. He can do what he wants!  :hihi:
Yeah yeah yeah, I know you love that answer.

But at the end of the day, it's his choice. Even though you can scold him for it for years because he didn't do what you wanted him to.

Maybe it's only here CD is considered a success. Maybe because the members here cares more for art than business? Or quality over quantity?

Haha.  Well, I suppose that's one spin.

I think the more general assessment of the gang here would be...well, I hesitate to use the word "apologist", due to its overly negative implications.  So let's just leave it that around here, rarely is heard a discouraging word.

As far as the music goes... I would expect most to be very supportive of it around here...we are all fans of Axl

it's when people see no fault in the way things are handled aside from the music...that is what I will never understand

Bumbles's book about all this could be a great seller  ;D

Agree with you 100%. 

I liked the album.  I think at least half of the songs stand up with anything the old band ever did.  Some really strong stuff on there.  On that, I have no real qualms.

But the other bit, yeah, that's where I feel like pulling my hair out sometimes.  At this level of band, music is a business.  Viewed through that prism, the operation needs some work.  But, to be fair, with the fan club seeming to have their shit together, to the band taking the stage closer to on time, there is some hope.

Where do you get that he thinks it's ridiculous? And where do you get the number on how interested Axl is in writing/recording with the band?




/jarmo

Maybe it's only here CD is considered a success. Maybe because the members here cares more for art than business? Or quality over quantity?

If Bumble looses faith in GNR I will loose it too. A band is not a band until it releases music together. I have loved this band for decades. But if he?s out, I?m out too. Because it that should happen, there?s nothing left to hope for. Take your "we don?t owe you anything" and shove it up your ass. :P

Well, just to play devil's advocate here, how are they a band now?

I guess I'm asking what's your distinction?  Ron has already told us they have yet to write a note together in the 7 years he's been in the fold.  By your definition, they aren't much of a band right now, right?

Even if Ron sticks around, are they really going to do anything in 2014 on the recording or releasing new music front?  There is no evidence to support that premise.

They are constantly touring - which makes Axl more money than releasing music. But to be honest, they are NOT a REAL band by my definition...true ;)

Oh yeah, I was hardly disagreeing with your assessment.  I think its spot on.

Its funny to the point of being downright sad this band has done nothing on the creation front for at least 7 years.  And that's just what we know of from Ron.  Its probably longer.  Unless we are to believe they were frantically writing and creating up until 5 minutes before Ron joined.

I'm not in a band nor do I write songs. But, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, there's two ways you can write "as a band".

You either get the whole band in a room together and try to create something that everybody's excited about and record it.
Or you get together in smaller groups, let's say two or three band members, you write songs/come up with ideas that you then present to the rest...


What's stopping the band members from employing tactic number two, if getting all eight band members in the same place at the same time to write, is too complicated?

Does anybody believe the original songs on the Use Your Illusions were all written in a room by the whole band?




/jarmo

You either get the whole band in a room together and try to create something that everybody's excited about and record it.

Or you get together in smaller groups, let's say two or three band members, you write songs/come up with ideas that you then present to the rest...

What's stopping the band members from employing tactic number two, if getting all eight band members in the same place at the same time to write, is too complicated?

I'm not in a band nor do I write songs. But, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, there's two ways you can write "as a band".

You either get the whole band in a room together and try to create something that everybody's excited about and record it.
Or you get together in smaller groups, let's say two or three band members, you write songs/come up with ideas that you then present to the rest...


What's stopping the band members from employing tactic number two, if getting all eight band members in the same place at the same time to write, is too complicated?

Does anybody believe the original songs on the Use Your Illusions were all written in a room by the whole band?

It?s not about "being in one room" or "being in 5 different studios" Jarmo. It?s about NOTHING happening at all. It?s about "respect the current line up" while we prefer constant touring with "old songs" to taking the risk of releasing new music. They are your family - I know that and respect that. Respect my HONEST opinion. Somebody needs to kicks Axl?s ass or get him going again or it will end. Ron will leave. Dj - nobody knows...maybe touring will pay his bills. But this is NOT A BAND. I love the band, I want it to LIVE. If you want to support a dead horse - no matter what - go on Jarmo . Ban me. Give me bad carma. But I love that fucking band, and NO ONE will ever ban me from speaking my mind. I?m a GNR fan after all. Shove it up your ass! ;=


/jarmo

And besides, the scant bits of info we do hear about are working on old ass tracks from 10 years ago now.

There are no Rose/Ashba/Thal compositions

Expected more voice-acrobatics and varied musicstyles based on new technology.

I'm not in a band nor do I write songs. But, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, there's two ways you can write "as a band".

You either get the whole band in a room together and try to create something that everybody's excited about and record it.
Or you get together in smaller groups, let's say two or three band members, you write songs/come up with ideas that you then present to the rest...


What's stopping the band members from employing tactic number two, if getting all eight band members in the same place at the same time to write, is too complicated?

Does anybody believe the original songs on the Use Your Illusions were all written in a room by the whole band?




/jarmo

I'm not in a band nor do I write songs. But, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, there's two ways you can write "as a band".

You either get the whole band in a room together and try to create something that everybody's excited about and record it.
Or you get together in smaller groups, let's say two or three band members, you write songs/come up with ideas that you then present to the rest...


What's stopping the band members from employing tactic number two, if getting all eight band members in the same place at the same time to write, is too complicated?

Does anybody believe the original songs on the Use Your Illusions were all written in a room by the whole band?




/jarmo

To answer that last question, one of the greatest albums of ALL-TIME was written as a group working together in the same place. That album is also why most people are GNR fans. Just saying. ;)

Describe the writing process for Chinese Democracy

Tommy Sinson:"I came in around ?98, when the band was still writing the record. It was Paul Tobias and Robin Finck on guitar, Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman on keys, Josh on drums, and me. Everybody was just slowly starting to bring in ideas. We were set up at Rumbo Records, a big studio out in the middle of nowhere. A funny thing ? Captain & Tennille own it. The whole thing looks like a boat.

Anyway, we all just started hammering ideas out. Essentially, it was eight guys collaborating. To be thrown into that kind of environment ? eight guys from very different walks of life ? was very crazy. I?d never worked in that way, but it was cool. There were guys who?d never ever made a record putting out their ideas. At first, those of us who?d actually made records thought their ideas sucked, but there were also some good ones."

You can't put togheter songs just like a fuckin' puzzle, it just doesn't work...

Even Chinese Democracy was written with the group working together in the same place.

one of the greatest albums of ALL-TIME was written as a group working together in the same place.

Did you ever listen to anything besides rock music? Anything featuring samples?  :hihi:



Sure, people working together in a room. But some of those guys had left the band when the album came out. Which is the thing some people object to now!
Using songs written by previous line ups, or songs written years ago, has been ok in the past, but not now.



/jarmo

Relevant rockmusic has always evolved around creative usage of new technology and many got a renewed intrest in gnr after Oh My God and Buckethead joined. So, many of us have diferent music-intrests here and I wonder how the next record gonna be.

 To me, adding Axl's voice on VR-songs would just be mediocre rockmusic with an exceptional voice. Axl voices on Buckethead's gems on the other hand...that sounds godlike to me.

But, anyway. It's impossible for GN'R to write as a band since it's been "decided" that they're not a band to begin with.  :hihi:
Amusing.

/jarmo

What's the problem? November Rain was "too old" when it was released?
Do you enjoy those Hollywood Rose tracks that appear on GN'R albums? Tracks written by a band that existed before GN'R... Oh no! The horror!

Are you kidding me with this?

'November Rain' was a song the band had worked on for a few years.  That band.  The actual guys involved in the song.  How the hell is that analogous to what's going on now?

You might have a case if Axl showed up with a 'Shadow Of Your Love' with Tracii Guns and Rob Gardner and told the current band at the time it would be going on the album.  But hey, if you have a riff you wanted to shoehorn over top of it, feel free.

Jarmo, you have already told me, point blank, you don't see any problems or anything amiss about the fact the current band have yet to write anything together in almost a decade.

We likely aren't going to agree on much on this topic, given that "nothing to see here" mindset you constantly adapt to avoid having to say anything critical.

I would try not to debate anything with jarmo....I have bitten my tounge several time and not posted because ...

well you gotta realize he may have started as a fan of GNR...but hes no longer a fan like the rest of us... he spends time with Axl Rose...he travels the world with him...

what do you expect? for him to knock him or some of the practices by management ? I wouldnt either

Jarmo, you have already told me, point blank, you don't see any problems or anything amiss about the fact the current band have yet to write anything together in almost a decade.

You're right. It's not a "problem". They don't need to write or record anything for me. If they do it for themselves, awesome!
But I don't sit and complain about it on the Internet. Doesn't do anything for me. Sorry.

Do you seriously claim that there aren't certain fans who will complain no matter what?

As you and Team Brazil define the term?  I don't see that as complaining.

Quick example.  Fernando's last announcement that there might someday be an announcement.  Many people had some fun with that, due to both its vauge tone and their track record.  But I would not call it complaining, more like breaking balls.

Is that what it is? Just a way to have fun and pass time?

Mostly, yeah.  Not everything is an evil plot by "the haters".

Sure. But what's the purpose? To amuse the original poster? What good comes out of it?
To me, most of it is just disruptive and not constructive in any way....