Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I know he can't answer any important GNR questions...but he does sometimes hint at things. So somebody should ask if there's another vegas residency in the works. Also, when is the new Sixx am album coming out. I heard it's finished and is going to be released soon.

Why?

I see he gets along with Axl quite well...has even written a fistful of song ideas and stuff.
I hope you're wrong (I doubt it).
Correct me if I'm wrong, I even heard he's a member of GNR since...2009?
It's pathetic to pay for a GNR-related chat and expect/ask for some Sixx AM news.
Or some of his own merchandise-stuff.

Ya he's been in the band since 2009. I'm sure he'll talk about GNR...I just meant not to expect him to say anything about a new album, new songs, the Vegas DVD etc. Bumblefoot didn't talk about any of that stuff during his chat last month, so I don't expect Dj to talk about it this month. But who knows...Dj hasn't been shy to talk about that stuff in the past.

There seems to be like an elephant in the room issue going on in these live chats. Because let's face it the majority of users will be watching the GN'R website chat to hear about a lot of Guns related info, whether it be tour stories, gear, shows, recording etc. But the seasoned forum members know that it will not contain anything near the Guns content that we would expect from a GN'R website chat. DJ will maybe discuss his clothing line, and the Sixx AM album and tour... and I'm not being a smartass, that probably mostly will happen.

I pretty much agree with you. It's a shame. If this whole things turns out the way most people expect it to, it is pointless to begin with. Because instead of building up anticipation or hopes for the future among fans who still care, it most likely will increase the negative reception of the whole thing. Which then it derserves. By now people wanna hear about when new music will be released. Compared with this, everything else (DVD, new tour, Sixx AM, Bumblefoots Hot Sauce) is of no importance at all. It's as simple as that.

Whatever Dj says in the chat about GN'R, some of you will say it's not enough, he doesn't know what he's talking about or call him a liar....

 :hihi:



/jarmo

As I mentioned before...unless he comes up with some real information on topics which are of interest as far as the fans are concerned it basically doesn't matter what he says or if he says something at all. The only thing fans wanna know about at this point is if and when new music will see the light of day. There is no point in doing all this if the only interesting question (when will a music band release their music) is not allowed/answered.

While the intention of doing such a chat...offering the fans some interaction and all this is good, it will most likly turn into something negative because as things are standing right now (in the real world) most fans have had enough of the information-debacle and never-get-things-done concerning all things GNR. And rightfully so.

There's a lot of questions about GN'R that can be asked and answered that aren't a variant of "when is the new album coming out?".

If that's the only "interesting" question you can come up with, I feel sorry for you....


/jarmo

Can even you come up with, let's say five questions that are 'interesting' to a fan at this point? Questions that don't point to when or if new music is coming out?

Maybe I should have put it like this: It's the only relevant question by now.
Everything else basically is not worth being asked about since we already know the answer:

DVD? Not this year, maybe never.
New Tour? We've had the same show many times over. Without new music it's gonna be: CD, Jungle, Easy, Brownstone...

No need to feel sorry for me...really. I'm only interested in how much more ridiculous this becomes. As I've said: I don't expect anything to begin with"

Dear Kettle,

You're black.

Kind regards,

Pot

Let me get this straight. A band member agrees to chat to us fans and the only "interesting" thing you can come up with is "when is the new album coming out?".
I'm sure you're aware that your interesting question is the same one most fans want the answer to, so your idea of a fan club chat is gonna be pretty short.... Because everybody will ask the same thing!

 :hihi:

There's a lot of things I could ask any musicians whose music I listen to, that's not "when is your next album coming out?".
I've seen a lot of interviews which didn't include that question. I don't know how they do it!


snead hearn: No need to be a smart ass. You know damn well how these things work. Some expect nothing but are quick to whine about being unhappy with the answers. Others expect too much and whine about the answers... Deja vu.



/jarmo

That's right.


Ever thought about why most fans want the answer to a certain question? If you run a fanclub or anything other businesswise...you have to deliver a certain good. Otherwise it's worth-/senseless. Most Guns fans don't care about anything else but if there is new music on the horizon.


Any other musician puts out stuff in less than every 20 years...


It's no rocket science. Throw your fans, the people that pay for your life, a bone from time to time. If it's so hard to get basically anything ever done right or in time or according to a certain schedule or plan - call it a day and leave it be.


...what about your questions to DJ...let's cut it down to three. Maybe I'm short of imagination...

What one person may find interesting may not be interesting to another person.

Personally, I'm curious to know from DJ's perspective how he, Ron and Richard divide up the lead guitar parts.  What is the decision making process there?

How would he describe the dynamic between him, Ron and Richard?

In recent years, "Civil War" and "Estranged" have been added to the setlists.  What is the process like for adding a new song?  Does that come from Axl or do you and/or the rest of the band work up songs and then bring the idea of playing them to Axl?

Those are just a few I'd be curious to know about that don't involve asking about a new album.

Ali

May I answer these for you real quick?

1: We see how it feels best because our chemistry is so great.
2: It's really great, both are great players and we learn a lot from each other.
3: We do them in rehearsal which Axl knows and then at the show...all if a sudden he goes: Let's do this now. It's really unbelievable how he pulls it of. But he has so many great stuff up his sleeves so I guess it's just him being him.

 :hihi:

How about those fans let other fans chat with the band members until they get their new album?
Instead of whining about it at every opportunity they get...

Nowhere does the fan club promise members info about a new album.... It's not exactly part of the fan club package.

Maybe you've misunderstood the meaning of the fan club and their band member video chats.
They're not meant as press/media events announcing important GN'R news. They're special events for fan club members who actually care about the band, and not just their personal "needs" for specific news.



Doesn't matter.



I'll give you six:

When is the new album coming out? Follow up to his answer: Why? Follow up to that answer: Why? Follow up to that answer: Why? Follow up to that answer: Why? Follow up to that answer: Why?

 :P




/jarmo

Thanks, but unless you're DJ, I'm not interested in answers that are just fan fiction or supposition.

Ali

As Jarmo said, asking 'when' type questions will only waste time during the chat.

You could lean towards 'what' and 'how' type questions. Are there songs Ashba has written that Axl has shown as interest in. What is Ashba's opinion about the next GN'R album, should it follow up CD and have a similar feel, or should it feel different. With regards to unreleased material, does Ashba think that the material should be released as it is currently with the 00 (noughties) feel of CD, or should it be reworked with  different sound. How would Ashba feel about re-recording over other people's work, if he was asked to do it. What does Ashba offer to GN'R in terms of writing music, and how does his input differ from the other band members. Should a follow up to CD just include old unreleased material, be a mix of old and newly written material, or just be totally fresh (written in the past couple of years)

Just some ideas

Great questions, and I agree that's the approach that should be taken.  However, I predict that he will answer exactly zero of those questions, save for maybe sending Axl demos, which he's already divulged umpteen times.

Bumblefoot has appeared forthcoming on recent interviews. The interview is taking place for paid members of the GN'R fan club so there will be an essence of making it worthwhile for those fans. Obviously GN'R questions will be expected. There is a wide gap between no information at all , and too much detail. It is just about asking the right questions, and making the experience worthwhile and informative.

I was reading through a bunch of DJ interviews and found one where he said that he has been asked every question you can think of!  Maybe so but I sent in a couple questions about when he went to The Rolling Stones concert with Axl.  That kind of thing is interesting to me.  Hope he talks a little bit about it....will be fun either way

For Fuck's sake. The dude hasn't even given an interview and people are already shitting on the idea of what may or may not take place during an interview in which he hasn't even answered a question just yet.

Why don't you just wait to hear what the fuck he has to say first instead of speculating?

This is a video chat format. Which, in many ways can be a free-for-all. This is not a constructive interview, set up by someone who is asking well thought out questions, as Mysteron posed, where we could all benefit from. A bunch of people from everywhere asking simple or scattered questions or just throwing out comments and compliments, or something like "come back to _____ and tour again! We love you!" And why must we be on semantic eggshells? Is this a video chat, or a deposition?

Will there be other video chats with other members? And what do you think will happen with those?

As appreciative as I/we are for the time and efforts made by those for the chats, it's the greater force with being GNR that just dominates EVERY event or situation. Little supply of information completely being outweighed by huge demand for any real / future information. That's how it's always been, yes. But when it's gone on for SO long, why would it change, going by the lowest/average common denominator?

I'll own up to the smart ass comment. But that to me was an overt case of just adding to the usual drama that goes on, being on the same level as the knuckleheads.

I have to agree with NaturalLight and the last thing anyone needs is politics (or politically correct answers). Let it just happen. They are all big boys and I can not imagine them just sitting around. They will deliver. A question I would ask: How is live as a married man?  :)

Please put the whole thing on yt if anyone captured it.

I didn?t participate. But for what I read he answered preapproved questions. But he said he wanted to answer everything. He said next year there is a new tour most likely. Nothing about new music. He and Dizzy designed Axl?s piano. For him Rhiad was very difficult to play. He would like to visit SouthAfrica. This new line up is the most talented (or something like that)

I participated, it was a lot of fun.  The Heart Breaker shirt comes out on the 25th.

Approved questions = questions from actual Nightrain members.
Meaning, the questions were validated to be from paying fan club members because it was a Nightran exclusive chat.




/jarmo

Heard DJ was annoyed about the "approved questions" thing. Jesus Fernando...

So nothing new?  I understand that touring is new and I will go see them, but come on.  Put something out, anything.  The movement of this band needs to increase before they are irrelevant.  Annoyed.....

I can understand the approved questions if it means filtering out dumb questions about Slash.  That's pointless.

But, would any critical question get through?  Doubtful.  I can understand weeding out a Slash taunt.  But what about "DJ, can you really justify entire calendar years where you guys don't do any recording?  As a lifelong musician, is that logical to you?"

That's a legit question.  Is it getting through?  Not on your life.

Annoyed? I think the "issue" was more about him not understanding the reason why the question sheet said approved questions. :)




/jarmo

I'm curious if you would be as receptive to any of us doing both parts of a conversation and putting words in your mouth.  You rolling with that?

I would've loved it it if someone asked him if he's recorded on any of the mythical tracks like The General, Atlas, Soul Monster, etc.  Since those songs are more or less done, to me, that would be the real indication as to whether Axl actually plans on putting them out sometime in this lifetime...

Yep.  I would consider those legit questions.

How about this one : "DJ, are there vocals on all of these songs?"

For a band whose management team promised "information" soon, I really hope these chats aren't an idication of what's to come. 

For TB to send now two members into these chats with nothing to discuss but past tours, while the fans are starved for news about new music and future plans, well, shit...

I think we all appreciate their time, but when so many fans just seem deflated afterwards with no real news revealed, it's hard to see the point.

And then we are told that we just complain no matter what.

Hey, here's an idea.  Instead of telling what we'd do or how we'd react (without ever having to find out for sure), how about trying giving us something actually interesting and see how that goes?  I'm so tired of this whole "well, there's no pleasing you people whatever we do" routine. 

Why not try to do it for real and see?

What did you guys expect?, groundbreaking info on future plans of GN'R by DJ?.  :hihi:

With all due respect to DJ, I don't think anybody in this band really knows what's in store for the future. The only people who know, are Axl and his inner circle who include family. There's no point in arguing with some fans as they legitimately don't think anything is wrong with the silence and all of the drama with this band.

Don't believe that any future chats will include this either, as they are meant to be light, fun and laid back... Without mentioning the elephant in the room obviously.  :P

I would rather suggest that, since we cannot expect any information on any relevant topics, they should leave the chats be. There is no point in throwing bandmember to the wolves when in fact they have nothing to tell at all. Or are only allowed to answer to pre-selected questions. People are expecting real news and no "laid back avoiding of the elephant in the room". It's just not possible to twist that or deny it if you have some sense of reality. By doing that, TB or whoever is responsible, will just add to the negativity that has been building up among the fanbase since some time. I agree that to some extent one has to pay attention in order for the trolling not to get out of hand. But then again, as far as I'm concerned, not a single question about new music/future plans of the band passed the censorship.

They can't win certain people over with something like this.....including myself...

It's a cool thing to do in theory....

but there are such large obstacles that get it in the way of it really being anything of a substance

A) the majority of people have no itnerest in some of these guys other than that they play in a band with Axl Rose, so if you cant ask anything about GNR .. this leads in to B
B) they are not allowed to and/or not privied to any information about music/releases

He didn't look annoyed, just having fun with it.  It was just a fun chat, up beat and really great to see.  He has a very supportive group around him and they were fun to have jump in once in a while too.

Post of the day, right here.  Would not change a word.

There is a simple way to sort this in the future.

Nightrain should set up a thread 2-3 weeks prior to the next event, and ask Nightrain members to ask questions during this period.

Management can then filter out the questions from non members in their own time, then in the days before the event, members can agree a final set of questions to ask. That way, everything is open and transparent, everyone is clear and happy about the process and it would also represent less work for management during the process.

Yep.  Spot on, really.

The way you'd put it, it would turn out to be a fucking press conference/interview where they can laborate over how to answer chosen questions. It's only open and transparent from one end as you can also answer a question without giving away anything as we've seen countless times with Axl. I'd say Axl visiting various boards and answering fans questions was the perfect way to do such a thing. And a real cool one it was because was there any trolling or other disrespectful stuff thrown at him? Taken all things into consideration, I don't think so.
Maybe if there'd be an indepent collection of questions (with rules that only questions concerning this configuration of the band, new music, future are allowed) that would be handed and ultimatly answered by Axl, this whole idea would make sense. But with this management I don't see it happen. And basically most people don't care about anyone in the band but Axl and if there will be new music out at some point. I don't wanna know about DJ, his wife or clothes, Dizzy or Pitman - they might be gone/fired/replaced tomorrow anyway. But that, I already stated so I stick with my argument: Unless they have something relevant to say, shut up. It's only oil to the fire. Seems like management thinks it's doing fans a favor when in reality it only adds to the mocking that's already going on for a while. They live in their own world I assume. If they have something to say, Axl should step up and do it because we have seen in the past that all players in his band have as much of a clue of what's going on than we do. I also bet that if there are people who are really curious about anything non-Guns-related all of the players have various social-media outlets to let them know. If, however, these people show up as members of Guns N' Roses I wanna know about what's going on and not be fucking told what to think of them, ask them, not ask them and not be told to be happy with what I got because Guns is so different from any other band on the planet or some other detracting nonsense.

Your argument is perfectly fine, but there are people that want to know about the other band members, and the chats are aimed at them, and my response is aimed at this area too.

You are obviously of a certain opinion about members other that Axl, and that is fine. But let the fans that do have interest in the other band members have their fun without judgement, let them chat and do their thing.

Well, as I have already stated: In the context of them representing Guns N' Roses it is alright to talk about side projects and their own stuff, too. But not all of the time when everything concering GNR is a no-go. GNR could advertise a DJ chat on his own website - no big deal. If GNR is going to announce a chat with one of his members I think it's highly logical to ask: "What's going on in the band?" and not "How is your wife?" I bet most of us are in it for the music, not the personal lifesyles.

I have too disagree with you as far as the chat participants (also fans) interest in the other band members is concerned: They have their own sites and media outlets. As I've stated before: A Guns N' Roses chat with a member of that band has to be open to questions about what the band is doing and what it is doing right now. Especially considering that most fans, at this point, are rather less pleased with how things are going. I don't need to go into detail.

Hey Dok, Where was I when you were elected leader and speaker for all of us fans?  You say things with such authority as if you know all to be true.  Your self importance is really getting old, so here's a suggestion - just leave.  No one will miss you, no one will shed a tear if you are never heard from again.   

Seriously chump, your act is old and tired and no one cares about you or your opinion.  DJ's chat was just fine, and it's a good time to be a fan.

Stop with the 'most fans' things you do. You speak for yourself, that is all. Most fans do not post.

Anyway, I was saying, with more preparation, this chat would have thrown more GN'R in there.

The video chat was seemingly done off the cuff, that is a tough thing to do. As a fan, it would be more constructive to say what you would expect of a future video chat. If you cannot offer anything positive, then don't post.

I said "some of you". Didn't mention anybody by name.
If you felt targeted, maybe there's a reason for it.....


This event was a fan club chat. Not a press conference, not a TV interview, not Howard Stern... The band is doing things for the fan club members. You know, the fan club which certain people thought never delivered anything worth the subscription fee.

So now, we can see some comments from people saying it's not good enough blah blah blah. I'm curious if these people with all the feedback are actually paying members of the fan club. I mean, constructive criticism is good, criticism from people who wouldn't be allowed to participate because they're not fan club members is just.... Kinda like asking people who would never drink Coke what they think of Coke...


What happened to fun? When did these things turn into such big serious publicity events that they need to contain new exclusive news...



/jarmo

1. So you're really thinking that the majority of people who knew about the chats are happy with how the chats went (theoretical question, I give you that)? You must be delusional. Don't you also read some other, lets put it this way, more frequented places?

2. Excuses + it is what it is. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's most likely the management who's caring about this stuff and what are they doing all day beside "managing"? Do they have a second or third band to manage as well? A chat is no rocket science. Get you shit straight before announcing such things, don't blame everyone else after.

3. Again...if you set up such a thing, don't complain about it being hard or anything. Deliver. Take the overall situation into account. Money is being charged. I have already stated that they should cut the chats because they cause frustration among the fanbase. Hell...go over at other GNR forums and just read the reviews/reactions.

When the artist actively courts an antagonistic atmosphere.

Do you got to a lot of other concerts where the band purposes stalls, to the point their crowd and boos and leaves?

You can't act like an ass and then feign surprise at its fallout.  Life is what you make it.  And all the cheerleading in the world about how good we supposedly have it and we have some god damn nerve...well, how's that going?

Being a member of Nighttrain I am able to read the threads where the members commented on the chats, the majority of the members are happy.  What we weren't happy with during Ron's chat was posted and listen to by ground central which made this chat go so much better.  If you're not a member, it wasn't for you.  Being a member, I'm happy with the chats and waiting for the next guy or gal.

1. Cineater responded. She is a paid member and happy, so you are obviously not speaking for everyone.

As for your other points generally, the reason I posted was to suggest a better experience for future video chats, that is all. When something happens, you can either complain about it, or be positive and suggest ways to make it better for the future.

Like I said, these chats are for the people that want to do it. People being anal about it are disrespecting fellow fans, not the band, which is low to be honest

It's a no win proposition.  You can't please everyone no matter what.  GN'R could put out an album tomorrow that was along the lines of CD, and some would complain that it's not getting back to the hard rock roots of GN'R.  If the current lineup put out a hard rock album, I'm sure some portion of the fanbase would complain that it wasn't the same without the old band.  The list goes on and on.

So, attempting to please the fanbase, as a whole, is a no win proposition.  That's not to say that there aren't things that could be improved or worked on.  But doing so with the intent of "pleasing us people" is pointless.

As the saying goes, "you can't be all things to all people". 

Ali

You have right, but doing nothing satisfy anyone?

That's why I said, "That's not to say that there aren't things that could be improved or worked on."

Ali

Well, you can't help the people still butthurt over the break-up.  Sadly, you just have to write them off.  I think on some level, every single one of us wished things worked out.  But I'm talking about the people that won't even give it a chance.  You write them off.  They are literally telling you they will never be happy with anything going forward.

But suppose for a second Axl actually got off his ass and did a real interview about the actual band he's in.  He comes out and says they have been working in the studio, new album coming in the new year.  How does that go badly for him?  That's great news.  The only downside I could see would be people saying "believe it when I see it" type stuff, but frankly, Axl made that bed, no?  And on that front, he could actually take that bullet out of the fans guns by actually following through for a change.

Its his call.

This.  So very much, this.

I don't dispute that telling us a new album is coming would be a good thing.  But, that's with the caveat that it should be indeed coming, as in all the i's are dotted and all the t's are crossed.  Otherwise, it's pointless.

Ali

I just think back to that open letter that Axl wrote to us in 2007.

In truth, did he really drop any bombs or make any guarantees?  Not really.  It was peppered with caveats and wording that honestly stated that they are trying to get it done.  But what it also did was clear up some of the things that went on with Merck, and how Axl was not happy with how some things were handled.  He admitted things got messed up and we deserved better.

But look how that was received.  It was a general sense of relief and reassurance.  OK, good...he actually does still give a shit.  That was the feeling.  There was, for the first time in some time up to that point, some actual proof the album would come out.

He should do something similar now.  For all the venom and annoyance people tend to put out there, most of that dries right up when he actually talks to us.  Look how much people kissed his ass during those chats.  And I mean people that had been trashing him.  But, end of the day, we are his fans.  We want to see him succeed and wish like hell things ran smoother.

But, how long do you think that good will would actually last?

He took a chance in the December 2006 open letter and announced a tentative release date of March 2007.  Obviously, that didn't come to pass for whatever reason. 

I think the end, the fact that March 2007 came and went with no album only added to the frustration and cynicism, and whatever good will was obtained with the December 2006 open letter was lost.

That situation is actually why I think if he were to do something similar in the future (with regards to that open letter), it should be done if and ONLY if there is a solid release date that the record company has agreed to and will support.

Ali

It seems like some fans, no names mentioned, seems to need a pat on the back from the band to make them feel appreciated.

When they get that, they're happy, for a while. And then they start the complaints about being lied to etc. etc.
Yet they wonder why there's no simple win-win answer to their prayers.




/jarmo

Well, I will mention names.  This is the only GNR board in the universe that preaches this routine, and you are a big part of that effort.

Are you totally blind to the fact that your tone and general demeanor is likely not doing the band any favors on the P.R. front?  Can you turn off the lecturing tone for even a day?

I get that you have a hard job towing the company line and putting the best possible spin on one shit sandwich after another.  And some of what you say is actually very valid, please don't think I'm saying otherwise.  But people can only be talked down to so many times before they stop giving a shit entirely, and I can't imagine anyone wants that.  Look at the traffic around here lately, or more to the point, the lack of it.  People want realism, Jarmo.  Not propaganda and "hey, I'm just saying" passive aggressive insults all the live long day.

Am I what?
I'm talking the way I talk. I'm sorry it offends you.
By the way, read my signature for clues. I don't speak on behalf of anybody else unless I say so.  : ok:




People want realism? What realism? Only what you consider real and anybody who disagrees isn't?  :)

I speak what I think. I don't act, I don't create usernames and characters to get fans. I say what I think. Simple as that.
Maybe I don't sugarcoat things enough for some people, I'm sorry if it offends you.


Nothing you say is new or original. We've been there, done that.

It's always something that's not "right" for certain fans. Doesn't it get tiring to constantly whine about things you can't change? Doesn't it get to you that you need to spend all this time on spewing the same complaints year after year?

You can't change the band or the people in it to what you want them to be. Relax. It's not your fault! Don't take it personally. We're all human here, accept people for what they are instead of trying to change them.  ;)

What kind of pot of gold at the end of the rainbow are you waiting for that'll make you happy? I'm curious. Because I don't see it happening with some fans. I'm sorry for the lack of "realism" in saying that. But if the past has showed us anything, it's that certain fans will never be happy. Just small bursts of temporary happiness... 


Sorry for being too blunt and offending you. And I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else in this post. Just to be 100% clear.


/jarmo

I'm a big boy, Jarmo.  I don't care if you call me mean names.  After all, we're talking about a rock band.  We're not exactly solving the world's problems over here.  My only point was that I think its sort of lame that feel you must cut down and talk down to anyone that offers any sort of criticism.  To hear you tell it, no beef is ever legit.  That gets old.  Most of us could type your responses before you do, because they are that predictable.

As for that second bit...be serious.  Not a one of us here believes you aren't speaking for the band.  And if that is so off base, you can disprove it at any time by starting to allow some dissenting opinions around here go unchallenged, if not simply not deleted outright.  It might also lend some more credibility to that claim if you ever expressed an opinion on something that was not in lockstep with Axl or the management's wishes.  Guarantee you, if you ever actually did, that news would ring out on every GNR forum on the internet.  Believe that.


Some will never be happy, I agree.

What am I looking for?  A more competent and professionally run operation.  By any objective standard, present day Guns N' Roses is anything but.  I'm not talking about hurt feelings or who is owed what.  I'm saying music is a business, and at the level of a Guns N' Roses type of band, its big business.  And the way they run their business needs a near complete overhaul.

You answered the question, 'what are you looking for' with the most flimsy response ever. Say specifically what you want to see.

If Guns do not have anything specific planned, then what should happen. Don't say Guns should make something happen because that does not happen in real life if you manage a band.

Back in time, or going forward?  Tell you what, I'll do both.

Back In Time :

- Release a long awaited album and promote it.  And I mean a real interview.  Not a preapproved circle jerk with Del and some scattershot chats on message boards that do very little discussion of your new album or current line-up.  Ever notice how little of those chats are about the new material or his current band?  Isn't that a disservice to them?  They stuck with you for 10 years, and you don't give them their due?  Instead, he's talking about how he still hates Slash.  Seriously, guy?  Is he not better served saying "That's in the past.  Let's talk about the current band, who I think are really great.  And here is why."  Talk up you new product and current personnel.  We don't really care about that time Slash didn't call you back in 1995.  Or whatever message board moderator is under your skin.  Is that relevant?

- Don't release a long awaited album in November 2008, then not surface until December 2009 on the far side of the world.  Just what the hell was that?  That makes business sense?  In what universe?

Going Forward :

- Stop throwing your band members to the wolves.  You send them out to do chats that presumably you can't be bothered to do and they can't talk about the damn band.  This makes sense?  That does them a disservice.  I think they are real sports, to be honest.  I'm also going to start feeling better about the current state of affairs when they are asked questions at events about what is up with the band they are supposedly in, and they stop responding with laughter.  Or general "beats the shit out of me" type answers.  It doesn't give the impression this is a functional band.

- A press release takes...what, 5 minutes of your time?  You can't get that together?  Even if its just to say you are putting the finishing touches on whatever is in this alleged vault and you are excited to be doing it.  Why does Axl make everything seems like a chore?  You'd think he's working on a fucking chain gang here, not conducting his chosen profession.

***MOST IMPORTANTLY***

- You make a decision once and for all.  You either say nothing and live with whatever speculation comes down the pike...or you take an active hand in setting the record straight when it needs to be.  But, Jesus Christ, pick one.  You don't spend entire years holed up in the 'Estranged' mansion, then get salty that people are "spreading lies".  if you truly give a shit about that, set it right.  And if you don't, let people say whatever.  But don't come out of hiding after 12-15 months and lament how unhappy you were with something that got reported the way it did.  Well...where the fuck were you as it was happening?  Were you in captivity in a North Korean prison?  If you saw it and it bothered you, speak up.  Or, you say nothing, let people say whatever, and don't pitch a fit then you finally do re-emerge.

- For the love of god...ENOUGH with how every other band in the world can do even the simplest things without a bother, but for Guns N' Roses, you need a downright Act Of Congress.  Releasing an album is basic.  Bands do it all the time.  Releasing a DVD should not be this hard.  But to hear them tell it, oh, you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn.  Yeah?  BULLSHIT.  At some point, its look in the mirror time.  How come every single thing you try to do is so god damn hard?  Why can't you ever seem to get a break, to even do something as humdrum as releasing a damn video.  How is that 'Better' video coming along, by the way?  Give me a break with that stuff.

No offense, but when has anybody from the band or its management said "you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn" with regards to the release of the live concert?

When they've had information that is significant and worthy of a press release, like the announcement of a tour or the Vegas residency, they've put out press releases.  I don't see at this point what they would put a press release out about.

Ali

Semantics for the win, Ali.  Big ups.  It was obviously not a direct quote, which I suspect you know.

But, just to be clear, in 6 paragraphs up there...you see nothing valid?  I did not say one thing with any credence?

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

If I read your post on the Chas n' Dave forum, the social workers would be out en masse deciding whether you should be sectioned or not.

I didn't call you any names. Maybe I called a group of people fans and you felt targeted?
If you're such a big boy, how come you bring up my posts on a frequent basis? If it's not you feeling personally attacked, then it's me "talking down to people"....




You want "realism" but I'm not allowed to say what I think...?



Well then I got a bridge to sell to you and those like you.
I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble and that things aren't like you imagined....


 

That's a load of bullshit. Sorry.
I'll let people post shit just to prove something that's already a lie to be a lie? Not gonna happen.





Maybe you can tell me their wishes since I don't know.... I don't exactly ask for permission to post what I think. Maybe you could fill me in on that one. Thanks.





What a general vague statement that is.

What exactly is so bad? Haven't we heard these complaints for years now? And what's happened? We got the album you were "waiting for", we got tours that weren't canceled, we got an official site, Twitter accounts, TV interviews, press interviews, official fan club, fan club chats, pre-sales, web streams and so on and so on.

You want a "professional run operation" but as soon as the band announced shows, didn't we see the cries of "cash grab" being posted by the so called objective fans? A touring active band isn't professional anymore?


Oh, I see you're still bringing up events from November-December 2008..... Would you say David Bowie, who didn't promote his latest album and isn't touring, is not professional enough?



/jarmo

This is such a lazy cop out answer.  And I can't even sum up an "all due respect" for you, because I have no respect for this.

Let's even table the fact you asked me a direct question to go into specifics, then rip me for answering it.  Let me guess.  If I didn't say anything, am I "ducking it"? ::)

But even in the more general sense, this is a GNR forum.  We talk about...wait for it...GNR.  I know, who knew, right?  What should I be talking about?  Sports?  Politics?  TV shows?

I'm killing time at work, just like all of you.  Its lame and pathetic to ignore all context here.  Are you actually arguing with a straight face that I am going to log off here, go home, and continue to talk about Axl Rose?  Am I going to put on a sandwich board and stand on a street corner and ring a bell?  I won't get to sleep because Axl Rose won't do an interview?  Of course not.  That's fucking retarded.  I talk about GNR at a GNR site, just like I would a sports team at a sports site, or politics on a  politics forum.  

But, hey...same question.  6 paragraphs up there.  Nothing valid?  Not one good point?

Honestly?  Because like 7 people post here on a regular basis these days.  I don't exactly have a lot of options.  And you tend to respond to things I say, and conversations are what message boards are, no?  Its just a dialogue about a common interest.

As for the rest of your post, well, I don't know what to tell you.  You aren't a stupid man.  You know what the impression of both you and this site are with the GNR community at large.  I'm certainly not breaking any news here, I can't imagine.  And, cards on the table?  I don't see how they are wrong.  This site is little more than state run media.  And we all know it going in, so none of us can claim unfair surprise.  We know its going to be the rose colored glasses view of everything, and certain views and criticisms won't be tolerated here.

Having said all that, you have really let me speak my mind today.  Won't lie, I'm shocked.  This was not how I was led to believe you rolled.  So while I absolutely will not even remotely disagree you preach the company line at all times, after today, I'd have to take issue with anyone that says you bounce anyone that speaks out.  That didn't happen to me today.  And I respect that.

Not really. There are no valid points

You just sound like a frustrated fan, if I am being kind. Or a nutcase, if I am being unkind

Did want to address this one point though without mixing it in with the other.

I'm with you.  Dumbest criticism going today.  It makes zero sense.  I have ripped it at every GNR board I have been at.  Logically, all tours by any band ever are "cash grabs".  Its a business.  This is how they make money.

Tough break for me, then.  6 paragraphs, not one valid point.  Perhaps I will do better tomorrow.

But yeah, I'd say I'm a frustrated fan.  When I watch a sports team struggle though an inept losing season, I tend to not take the view I should be happy they simply bothered to suit up.  That, to me, seems like a rather minimum requirement.  I tend to take the view everyone would be better off, principals and the fanbase, if things were run better.  Perhaps we have a difference of opinion there.  It happens.

The Internet is a fantastic tool isn't it? I've had people who I've never met or spoken to tell me what I think and why I think the way I do.
It's quite amazing really.

This site offers a different perspective to the so called "objective fan sites". That's all.



/jarmo

On that, my friend, we agree.  Its why I come here.  Both sides need a voice.

That's not very nice.  Aren't you the fella that Fernando tore into a couple years back for coming onto GNR sites passing along information as an "insider"?  Doesn't exactly sounds like a passive fan enjoying a message board to me.

Just saying...I think D-X is entitled to his opinion without being attacked, and isn't exactly incorrect in his thinking at that.

First bit, yeah, it happened, was apologised to afterwards. Not great shakes, and no plus points for you

Second bit, D-X is attacking initially. Follow the conversation, it is led to a point where he can output his grievances. At that point, the big post, he becomes more fair. I am still harsh latterly, but that is life

You told me my post was "flimsy" and you wanted specifics.  I give you specifics, then I become "a nutcase".

Come on, brother.

I know par for the course around here when faced with a direct question is to lean on "well, it doesn't matter what I think", but I think that's some weak shit.  That's a way to avoid taking a stance.  In terms of the band surfing the net for suggestions how run their business, yeah, we aren't going to be brought on as consultants.  But as 2 fans talking, yeah, you can give your opinion.  Its not going to hurt anything.

I sometimes get the feeling people don't want to go on record against Axl, as if he's keeping some Santa Claus "naughty or nice" list.  I can assure he doesn't give a flying fuck about any of us individually.  You can speak your mind without fear of reprisal.  Conversely, militant devotion is not going to get you an invite to the Halloween party. 

Sorry, I was a little nasty, to be fair

It was for a purpose though, you needed to post that big post which is what you did. It is out of frustration that happens

If you have a loved one, go and hug them, then go and do something wonderful. Maybe go and create a handmade advent calendar for someone

Life is too short, really

Hahahaha

It's all good.  Just goofing off, following this crazy fucking guy.

So not only do you come here knowing full well what this site is all about, it's for that very reason that you do come here..... And yet you want Admin to change that ???

You point out your prospective on knowing Axl's modus operandi in respect to how/what he discusses publicly ..... And yet you want him to change that ???

And when Axl or Ron or Dj or any of the band members agree to do an interview or chat ..... you only want them to talk to who you want them to talk to and chat about what you want to hear them talk about ???


Exactly what insight do you believe you have into Axl's psyche that you can give that assurance ???
Let me tell you..... Axl cares about the GNR fans and I'm his favorite!!!  ;D

No, it's not semantics.  But, for the sake of argument, let me be clear:

Can you point to a single quote from the band or its management that has indicated any hardships or complained about them with regards to the release of the live concert film?

I realize there has been a lot of speculation on the various boards as to the reasoning behind the delay in releasing the live concert, but I cannot recall a single instance that the band or its management has alluded to what you mentioned, even if just an allusion and certainly not in so many words.  To me, what you're claiming is the band and/or its management's perspective seems more like projection to me.

I agree with the notion of releasing an album and promoting it.  That's what should be done.  No disagreement there.

Also, I never said there wasn't anything valid or deserving of credence in what you said.  Not sure where you got that.  Just one point blatantly stands out as questionable.

Ali

I think a chat with a current GNR member on a GNR fan site should be dominated by some discussion of GNR, yes.

And when questions are asked about the current state of affairs, I would think a current member of the operation should have more for us than "your guess is as good as mine, dude."

If you are a guitar guy and want to get into a discussion about his strings, hey, more power to you.  But that is a niche portion of the people that are going to be attending the chat.  And "When are you coming back to <insert your town here>??" isn't exactly super compelling.

Look, these guys are given nothing in terms of info.  We know that going in.  I'm simply asking what those chats are accomplishing.  And as pointed out by someone else here, sending these guys into battle with no weapons might actually hurt matters.  Do you want people coming away from what is supposed to be an outreach to the fans thinking it was a colossal waste of time?

To be honest, no. 

I'm not terribly interested in that particular product because I've already heard the concerts.  Now, you and I have already gone 12 rounds on that and I'm not looking to re-litigate that one.  But I know damn well they are going to have to doctor the shit out of that to make it sound good.  And considering how much I thought that detracted from 'Live Era', I'm not too wild about it. 

My comment was more of a macro perspective.  Everyone is against Axl.  Its always the cooked promoter, the bastards at the label, or whoever.  We are constantly told the band is lied to and fucked with.  Does that make sense to you?  Would these people be successful in this business if they really treated everyone the way the GNR camp leads us to believe they are treated?

You want an example?  How about that thing on VH-1?  Again, GNR was the only artist they have done one of those for that claimed they were lied to, fucked with, and generally deceived.  I didn't find that credible.

Hey now, I agree some rockfans expect nothing less than a revolution, but this band is much more than 'a few blokes'. It is the biggest rockname in the world. Axl is a living legend. Would <3 more mediastuff too.

I get that you want news. I understand it.

But it's not Dj's "job" to announce major GN'R news. Correct me if I'm out of line in thinking that this chat, or other fan club exclusive chats, aren't supposed to be media events used to announce major GN'R news.

All the band guys know this. Even if they knew the band's plans for the next year in detail, they wouldn't necessarily say anything other than "we'll be busy". Do you know why? Because until it's announced officially, they often won't mention it.

Even Dj mentioned something similar. He doesn't wanna give away info before everything is set in stone. And I believe he was talking about his personal projects. I imagine the same applies to GN'R related projects....




/jarmo

sorry off topic, say people seem stressed instead of nutcases. *carebear-voice off*  :P


not quite, I wished mr. rose himself did more of this stuff just 4 the sake of it.
I had an idea where Axl was interviewed with guns in the background and roses on the table. :coffee:

No, you are correct about that.

But since we get so little in the form of communication, that can often lead to feeling you have to pounce when you get an opportunity.  Sadly, he doesn't have it to give to us.

And as to your other point, I have a bit of a different spin on the plans for next year concept.  Perhaps he knows exactly what they will be doing, but doesn't want to be the messenger that gets shot. 

We already have word Bumblefoot was asked to postpone some of his tour for early next year due to GNR.  Most of us, myself included, believe this to be more tour dates, likely in South America. 

But what if that's it?  What if they do a handful of shows in South America in February, and then nothing for the rest of the year?  I have to think they'd already know if they seriously are trying to release an album next year.  And suppose that answer is no?

Would you blame DJ for not wanting to be the one to drop that bomb?  It would not go over well.

It seems like you understand the reason(s) for not doing what you wish they would, regarding giving out information on future plans, yet you feel upset that they didn't.




/jarmo

I wouldn't say upset.  I'd classify it more as shaking my head dismissively at the whole situation as I chuckle, a common reaction to following this band.

Thank god for gallows humor, because its often all we have.

What about the other bit though?  Do you think if they actually intended to release an album in calendar 2014, they would already know that?  Not a specific date, just doing it versus not doing it, I mean.

Earlier this week, both Richard and Dizzy confirmed in interviews that they are using the current time off to work on the next album, & Dizzy even went so far to say that "they" (he didn't specify who) are currently "going through tracks" right now. 

In Richards interview, he said things are looking good for the next album to come out soon, and when the interviewer asked "For 2014?" Richard nodded and said "It's looking good."

I'd say it's well time Axl commented...

I have to say, you are very refreshing.

You are a fan with challenging questions, but you have listened and reasoned.

Amazing

From the interviews I've seen, I think they're trying.



/jarmo

So what if Richard and Dizzy said those things, dozens of GN'R members have said the same thing in the past, which followed with years of silence. Richard and Dizzy are both currently touring the UK with The Dead Daises, so they are much removed from the situation at the moment.

Even if those words came from Axl and GN'Rs inner circle, they still would have to be treated with extreme caution and not taken as gospel. So anything coming from people outside the GN'R camp, which unfortunately includes GN'Rs own members, should not be treated as some sort of light, as many times in the past we have learned otherwise... that's the truth judging by the last 14 years of Guns talking about "new albums"...  :D

Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch...Jesus! That's all anyone does around here except for a tiny few. I'm extremely happy that Ron and Dj have done these chats. We knew there wasn't going to be any earth shattering news revealed so why not just enjoy it?! I appreciate the effort to interact with the fans...especially from Dj who is really really interactive with fans all over Facebook and Twitter...even does his own personal live chats. If they're touring people complain about similar setlists...they play for 3 fuckin hours! They play pretty much everything! What more do you want?? Then people complain about touring because they aren't spending their time on a new album...but then if they don't tour for a while everyone complains that it's too quiet and they need to be more active and get back out there. Then if Dj or Richard or Dizzy talk about new music and working on the new album people jump all over them saying it's probably not true, they don't know what they're talking about blah blah blah. When guys from the band keep talking about new music and a new album and it's almost done, hopefully gets released next year etc...I take that as a positive! They're working on it, they want to get it out! But most on here decide to bitch and complain instead of being hopeful and a bit excited. People will say will say they've heard all of this talk before and keep getting let down, but the truth is all of these people are a bunch of whiny babies who have nothing better to do than complain. If what GNR are doing isn't good enough, go start your own band and you can put out as much new music as you'd like!

At least you're honest.

As far as the Vegas show, you really don't "know" that they'll have to doctor the show to make it sound good. You think so. There is a difference.

Be that as it may, I don't see how we are "constantly told" the band is lied to and fucked with. I know of the notable example with Azoff. There are also clearly issues with the label. Otherwise, I don't think this some unending stream of issues being reported. I think that's a perception that's perpetuated by some.

I don't know what thing on VH1 you're referring to.

Ali

I know that is not DJ job to tell us news. But I believe it should be his job to tell us about future plans. Of course he must make sure that he tell us that those plans are not set in stone as you put it. But he sould be able to talk about what he knows, if he knows, as along as he makes a disclaimer because those plans could change. I don?t think that only Axl or Fernando should have the monopoly over the news or information regarding the band.

Right now I believe what Chris Pitman said in an interview a few month ago. That?s the official news for me at the moment. Why? Because nobody from the band has strongly denied.