Here Today... Gone To Hell!

From Ron:

Bumblefoot: Gisselle, Mrs Bumblefoot never gets angry, we've been together longer than you've been alive and our connection is deeper than you can truly know. *I* think the story is presented dishonestly and it's disrespectful to the families of bandmembers, and I'm bringing it up 1) because they deserve to be respected and defended, 2) a lot of fans feel that access is being granted to people that haven't earned it - by that I mean standing loyally by the band for years, buying a ticket, waiting on sore feet for hours and hours, cheering until they have no voice left, staying til the end and trying to find a way home after public transportation has been shut down... and doing it again the next time we're in town. I have nothing against 'the models', they were offered a fun night out and they deserve equal treatment from the band that any person at the show should get. But 'the band' did not request it, this kinda stuff comes from other people that are offering a good time by whatever means they have, and that's fine. I just feel the need to speak up on behalf our families & the fans, because they're respected & I don't want them feeling like they're not.

2 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/bumblefoot/posts/177672372359905

Touche

 :smoking:

Bumblefoot owned estranged last night and is an amazing guitarist, from the look of this statement he also seems to be a great down to earth bloke. God bless you bumblefoot, and your beard rocks!

If 'the band' did not request it, does this mean it was organised by the promoter? Or just one member of the band/entourage?

I think it's a request from Axl-Bumblefoot also said he does not decide when a show goes on-when we are waiting, he says he is also.

Thats what I thought....

 :nervous:

I don't know if the wives fo on tour with them, but Dizzy, Bumble (not sure who else) are married-I'm sure they did not want family at home reading about Guns n Roses loading the front row with models-I wish I was Axl for one day-what a life.

What part of the "band did not request it" is unclear enough for you to draw that conclusion?

Ali

Does anyone really care?  Axl is a rock star who likes living the high life and whether he set it up personally or some one did it for him doesn't matter.  I personally have no problem with this.  I think its hilarious in fact.  It would be priceless to all of the fans' faces after they waited outside for hours to get in the front row only to see it roped off for a bunch of models in high heels hahaha.    

Bumblefoot putting the word "band" in quotes-and Bumblefoot talking about show start times-who exactly do you think he is talking about?

You are conflating two different, separate statements to try and make a point.  In statement #1, he mentioned the start times.  In statement #2, he said the following:  "But 'the band' did not request it, this kinda stuff comes from other people that are offering a good time by whatever means they have".  By other people, he means people not in the band.  Lead singers are in the band.  I don't see where the confusion is.

Ali

In what way is bringing in a load of kids who have to be paid to attend a concert, have no idea who the band are, and see them as older than their parents a good idea, in any shape or form?! They're not 'super models' they're fairly unattractive teenagers who don't want to be there.

This single thing has annoyed me more than any amount of late shows/walk offs ever will. It's utterly pathetic and bizaare.

Let me get this straight-you think the promoter was sitting at his desk one day and thought "Let me hold back 20 front row tickets that would sell for a lot of money-and I'll call a modeling agency and spend thousands more on that, just as a gift for the band!"

Some wise down to earth words from Ron, and as a fan, it sounds so good coming from a bandmember. I've seen the models at the front at recent shows, but I don't once doubt that the band don't appreciate the true fans just as much, if not obviously more.  8)

Thanks Ron for those words, really appreciate it.  ;)

And Bumble made the statements pertaining to the same topic-he brought up show times as an example

If Axl requested it, I see nothing wrong with it-Bumble I think is pissed about the term "band" and "Guns n Roses requested them", meaning everyone in the band

What I know is that a member of the band said the following:  "But 'the band' did not request it, this kinda stuff comes from other people that are offering a good time by whatever means they have."  Emphasis on the term "the band".

Again, I fail to see to what is unclear about this.  Could it be a promoter?  Possibly.  I'm not saying that definitively.  All I'm saying is you have a member of the band saying very clearly the band did not request this.

Ali

Even if they haven't requested it though- why don't they stop it? It wouldn't be hard to say "can you not do that again please"......

One In a Million said they have been at recent shows-I would not stop it :love:   

Bumbles is standing up....good on him : ok: : ok:

tell ya what tho...sounds like he doesnt like waiting just as much as the fans... :-X

You're drawing an erroneous conclusion.  He is saying he is not behind the "model thing", and later goes on to say the band did not request it.  He also says he is not responsible for the late starts.  You're drawing your own conclusion, an erroneous one IMO, that he's saying the same person is responsible for both those things.  Clearly, if a member of the band is not responsible for A, as BBF later clarified, he cannot be responsible for A and B.

Ali

I'm very clear at who is in charge of the band, and who makes the calls for start times-Bumble brought that up to make a point

Rockers Guns 'n' Roses request 20 models to fill front row of their gig at Glasgow SECC


The legendary band, fronted by Axl Rose, contacted a model agency to demand 20 of their prettiest girls for their gig at Glasgow?s SECC on Friday.

Sources claim the Sweet Child of Mine and Paradise City rockers are keen to have eye-candy in the front row during their gig.

The band?s promoter invited 20 models, from All Talent ? The Sonia Scott Agency, to join them backstage after the concert.

The band will then party into the night with the girls.

A source said: ?The band?s promoter contacted Sonia and asked if she could provide the band with models for the gig.

?He asked Sonia for 20 of her prettiest models to stand in the front row and wow the band while they?re performing.

?The girls have then been invited to join Axl and the boys backstage for drinks and they?ve even asked Sonia if she can arrange a party for the band.?

Our source revealed the band have a soft spot for Scottish girls.

They added: ?Axl and the rest of the band love girls from Scotland and they want to party in Glasgow. No other band has ever requested models from the agency to party with a rock band before, so this a first.

?But then again, it is Axl Rose.?

Layla Ferguson, 19, of Bellshill, Kyleen McKerlich, 23, from Kyle of Locklash, and Annie Voigt, 22, of Arbroath, are among the girls chosen to party with the band. :rofl:
 
Layla said: ?I?m really excited about meeting the band.

?I don?t know much about them really ? my mum and dad are more into them ? but I?ll listen to their songs before Friday.?

Annie added: ?I?m a secret rock chick so I?m going to rock out.

?I?m the envy of all my friends.

?I can?t believe I?m going to meet the band.?

 :hihi:

He did not say that the same person "who is in charge of the band" is responsible for both decisions.  That conclusion goes on to hold absolutely no water when you read the second statement.

I'm at a loss to see how his second statement can be read, in particular the part I pointed out, and you can still draw the same conclusion.  I believe this what is known as "confirmation bias".

Ali

Both statements are in the same tweet on twitter :hihi:

Layla Ferguson, 19, of Bellshill, Kyleen McKerlich, 23, from Kyle of Locklash, and Annie Voigt, 22, of Arbroath, are among the girls chosen to party with the band.

GNR The Movie:

'' TEENS Glasgow Travel ''

Dir: W. Axl Rose

 :hihi: :hihi:

It's not just glasgow though- it seems to have been every night!

Good lord, GNR just played a private show in NYC for some uppity A-listers and they have done so in the past.  So what?  Did you cry then about how they don't care about the fans?  I thought the fact that GNR did whatever they wanted and answered to no one was what so many people loved about this band  ::) (I certainly heard it enough during the RRHOF debate).

For all we know Jarmo could be bringing the girls to the shows every night!  : ok:

I wonder if this would have even batted an eye lid 20 years ago... In a way im against it cause there not gnr fans, in another way if someone says to axl " we got 20 models at each show for u" why would he say no?

(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/dailyrecord3/may2012/2/9/image-3-758966752.jpg)

Look at those chins!  :o
Models  :rofl:

Further clarification from Mr. Foot.:  "Just to stay on track, this discussion is not to crucify people for being invited to the show, it's to point out that the article made it seem like the band hired women to be there and were taking the best seats away from fans, and that was never the case.........."

Ali

I'll listen to their songs before Fri.-the cringe factor just went off the scale.

Cool... with the money that the promoter are using to pay these girls, they can can pay me a flight from Brazil to Glasgow + ticket  :hihi:

BBF is starting to worry me.


Speaking hypothetically, if I kept complaining about my boss making me work late for no reason, who I thought was direspecting the customers and I had to work through the pain barrier each night on top of all this, I'm not sure how long I would stay in the job for.

if the last Guns concert @ the SECC is anything to go by, they will die  :-X

10,000 Scottish GnR fans, going apeshit, full of (expensive) beer and after waiting hours, the place will erupt on the first note.

Little girls have no place at a rock show, especially those who don't even know who the band is. Put them in the seats if you must, on the floor, it will go mental

Mrs. Bumblefoot is one the road most of the time with Ron.
And Dizzy is not married. Hasn't been for sometime now.

hugs Ron.

I believe you have the wrong perspective dude. They're band-mates y'know. They probably talk outside the public press. This isn't overtime at the evening-shift at some factory.......

Hold the phone.

When did Dizzy and Lisa get divorced?

This isn't really the place to talk about peoples personal lives..

As odd as this sounds I'm glad I was up against the barrier instead o' crammed behind a fashion model.

They don't have them in the crowd. It's kind of

Stage

'Models'

Barrier

Crowd

If you had seen the behaviour of some of the lunatics at the last GNR Glasgow show you would know what he means.

They get free front row tickets to a Guns n Roses show, get to party with the band backstage, and are getting paid on top of it-I would imagine they are on an hourly wage for a concert that could end at 2 a.m.? My guess is that they are getting a limo ride in also-the life of a fashion model-what a gig!

The models are NOT getting paid to be at the show. One of the ones at the last gig confirmed as such on BBF's FB page in a discussion on his post.

Ali

thats what I thought - anyone down the front most likely wont be looking quite as they did on the way in! esp at a glasgow show! (ps I am scottish and grew up going to gigs in Glasgow - the audiences there ROCK HARD)  there will be  :beer: everywhere...

Out of all the shows, Glasgow I know is going to be insane crowd wise. I just hope there not dicks fighting throwing stuff on stage ect. Has the potential to one of the best crowds of the whole tour.

Had a good think about this, and sadly, I'm out for this one. I've supported this band for a very long time, seen them loads of times, but when the band starts shoving paying fans behind a load of girls that aren't fussed about being there, or even like the band, it makes me feel second-class as a fan, and also I consider it quite insulting, especially to those who have paid even more out to purchase the 'VIP' tickets.

As well as this, it makes me feel differently about a band I love on a personal level. Aside from Ron, not one member of the band has spoken out about this, or even mentioned it. It's coming across either as a band who don't care about paying fans or a bunch of men who want to perve on girls who are less than half their age, night after night.  Either way, I find it distasteful.

Whilst it may well not be the bands idea- they're certainly not saying no to it, and if this is something they'd like to do (hand out free VIP tickets to kids who don't care for the band, for reasons nobody seems to know) then that's fine, but they can do it with one less genuine fan in the crowd when they play the Manchester Arena.

I know I'll probably get slagged off for this, but there we go.  It's how I feel.

Still a pretty good deal!

I can't fault anyone for at least feeling slightly annoyed by it-I think that's why Bumblefoot felt the need to reply-I was going to go to Detroit for the Filmore show, but $100 was just too much for me at the time-to read about some model getting front row access who has not even listened to any of the songs the band has put out is silly-I can go back and forth about who is making the call here, who invited them-it's Axl's band, and he can have whomever he wants in the front row I suppose

So a GNR member releases a statement saying he wasn't trying to party with models? My how times have changed  :-\

I bet you are the same type of guy today as 20 years ago when you were 12. You haven't changed a bit have you?  :)

Come on, I wasn't being that serious. I can see where Bumble is coming from. And yes, I still act pretty similar to how I did at 12  :hihi:

Hahaha are you serious?  Doesn't GNR have songs called Anything Goes, You Ain't the First and have a song where Axl has sex with a bandmember's girlfriend?!?  And THIS is what made you find them distasteful?!?!

I am at a loss for words....

Your not going to the show because of 20 models are in a place you were never going to be in the first place? Wow. it sucks to the guys (including me) that bought the VIP package, but it don't me that much not to attend haha.

Whilst I can understand some perhaps finding it distasteful, I've never been bothered by someone else getting something if it has no effect on what I'm getting.  As far as I can see, this happening has no effect on anyone buying a ticket, their experience of the show etc.  it's not like they are turfing you out of your seat/spot to give it to someone else  :-\

I mean, if you start getting offended by anyone getting a freebie or a perk in life - you'll go crazy.  I'm a big F1 fan, and I wouldn't ever get pissed because someone "less knowledgable" than me got to go on the grid before a race - I was never going to get there anyway - so who cares?

BBF has had his say on the matter, and fair enough, it certainly seems to me this was not a request by the band directly anyway - so even some of the distaste can be shelved, and mock outrage can stop being directed in the wrong areas.

If I'm perfectly honest, if I was on that stage I'd rather look down at some models than the average sweaty throng of 30 something's making "rock" faces anyway - but then I'd put many expensive/ridiculous things on the rider too, just because I could  :P

 "Doesn't GNR have songs called Anything Goes, You Ain't the First and have a song where Axl has sex with a bandmember's girlfriend?!?  And THIS is what made you find them distasteful?!?!"

The song i assume you're referring to is Rocket Queen- it was HIS girlfriend. Anyway, besides the point.

I've summed up my views- they are what they are, and I've since noticed a few people on the mygnr forum saying similar things and doing the same, so I'm not the only one.

I've had friends of mind saying stuff along the line of "have you seen what those old perverts are up to" and I find it very hard to come up with a valid response really.

I'm not really comfortable with the whole thing. It would spoil my enjoyment, I find it creepy, I'm choosing to stay at home. I'm sure plenty of people will go and have a great time, but it's not for me.

Lemme guess;

- bitter and coy religious folks causing drama because of some young women attending and having fun? ::)

I really don't get the outrage here.  There were what 8-10 thousand people there and 20 people got a slightly better view then the rest.  Who the freak cares?  I personally go to listen to the music and have never been front row.  Every show was awesome.  Chill out already - Axl doesn't 'care' about any of us - he doesn't even know us.  And he doesn't owe you anything for being a fan except to put on a good show.   I'm still going to see them every chance I get.

I'm not outraged, I didn't know about it until Bumblefoot brought it up-trust me, at this point in my life, I know I'm not one of the "beautiful" people who will get let into clubs ahead of anyone else, or get front row seats at concerts-they seem like good kids, and I hope the one girl is able to listen to her first Guns n Roses CD this week. Welcome to the Jungle.

I'm not 'outraged'- just find it a bit of a kick in the teeth. If they value a bunch of kids bribed into being there who've never heard them more than people who will spend a lot of money they don't really have on attending, and treat them better than they treat any of their fans  then that's totally fine, but personally, I'm not spending my money encouraging it.

Each to their own and all that.

Yes, I was referring to Rocket Queen and it was actually Adler's girlfriend, not Axl's. 

You can feel however you want, but to find this 'distasteful' is honestly kinda funny.  Looking at this band's history, and THIS is what you find distasteful about them.  How did you even become a fan of them?

So you dealt with the years long delay in CD coming out, the tour cancellations, the late start times, lineup changes etc. But you're checking out because a few girls got to stand in front where you weren't going to be anyway. Not to mention the promoter set all this up, not the band.  ???

Surely the true response to this situation is to try and pull one of said "models" at the next gig.. Will try this out on the 31st after a few warm up beers...

#keeping it real

For some people, enough is enough-I still support the band and look forward to new releases, but I've been a fan 20+ years-have seen the New lineup 6 times, have driven 8+ hours by myself to see them, and some things just take the piss out of you-I know it's "no big deal", and "axl does not work for you", so it is what it is.

Cheers Fingers. Appreciate you sticking up for me.

In regards to the other stuff- waiting around for CD, late shows etc never seems like taking the piss to me- we got CD in the end and it was worth it, I expect the late shows and plan for them (and kind of enjoy the anticipation if I'm honest!), but when it comes to daft stuff like this- nah, i'll leave it thanks.

I understand it might seem a bit weird to some folks- but to me, it takes the piss. "Oh you lot can pay to meet some of us, you lot, because you're allegedly 'attractive' can be bribed into going, we'll give you the best tickets, free drinks etc, even though you're not bothered about going." it's very different to press/hospitality tickets etc- those tickets always serve a purpose of some description. This serves nothing.

Pointless debating it any more though. I remain a big fan of Guns N Roses, but I can't justify to myself going to see them this time round.

Just a FYI: There were no models in the front yesterday in Newcastle.




/jarmo

Too bad!
I was already hoping it was for all shows. Damn it!
Everybody likes pretty girls  ;D

Just one, Kat  :hihi:

I'm not sure, some of the female venue staff were not too bad either.... ;D

No offense, but the only thing I still fail to understand is in your next to last paragraph.  It seems in you saying "you lot can pay to meet some of us" that you've come to the conclusion that this was certainly something GN'R did as opposed to perhaps the promoters.  That's hardly clear.  In fact, BBF denied the band had anything to do with it.

It seems it's a moot point anyway from Jarmo's comments.

Ali

I'm sure that will be spun as "Axl realized the error of his ways and corrected them" as opposed to "perhaps the promoters realized the error of their ways and corrected them".

Ali

From reading the "model's" reply on Bumbles' board, it appears that the agency was offered a bunch of tickets and they asked their employees who wanted to attend. It's not like the girls were being forced to do or like a Kardashian or Hilton who get paid to go to parties. It's almost no different then the promoer giving tickets to a radio station for contents and stuff. I'm sure every band, at one point or another, or sports team, wrestling event, or any live show has given away free tickets to companies. This one just happened to have beautiful girls working for them.

For those in Chicago, it's almost like being pissed because the Loop Girl went to the show for free.
(And when I say every band, I'm not saying it was Axl or a member of Guns. I do believe it was the promoter or someone else. Hey, where was Fernando during all this?!?!  LOL!)

No offence taken at all Ali- I see your point totally. I still struggle to see why the promoters would seek out something like this- there seems to be no benefit really- other than (I think, slightly seedy) idea of 'lets get some (very) young girls in for the band to look at, which is very odd. And also, surely slightly insulting to the band? I know I'd be bloody insulted if I thought I needed a promoter to provide me with women to look at rather than actually attracting them myself. Hell- it's like going to a thai marriage agency or something! 

I guess we'll never know the real reasons for the whole debacle anyway, so it's probably, as you say, a moot point discussing it all. All I would say that if it is the promoters- they need to perhaps concentrate on 'promoting' in other ways, to people who are actually going to buy tickets!

I do like this forum a lot though- seems full of people that do actually care about music in a genuine way.