Here Today... Gone To Hell!

DjASHBA: Check out FOX 5 News (las Vegas) tonight at 6pm. Performed Ballad Of Death and interview. Hangin with Dorothy n' mom :) http://t.co/A3NIp8ov (http://t.co/A3NIp8ov)





/jarmo

Crap, now I have to watch the news tonight? :)

So I watched it. Started at 6. Of course, they didn't show him until 6:50. So I sat through an 50 minutes of American Idol news. It was cool though. Not much of an interview, talked a bit about going to Europe and how the fans there are crazy (in a good way) Talked about Bullyville, and then played the Ballad of Death.

http://youtu.be/f73gaLYk2D4

^^thanks for the video :) I love Dj, I think he's a perfect fit for GN'R

Nice and people say GNR don't do any publicity  :P

DJ is PERFECT for GNR. He's the total package.

Thanks for the video. DJ is great  : ok:

Thanks!



/jarmo

Video on Fox 5:

http://www.fox5vegas.com/video?clipId=7031840&autostart=true

Man, I hope that ends up on the album.  :yes:

That was bad.

For those that say it was bad I say...

Can you play better? If not then shut up :)

Bet if robin did it I'd love it.

Thought it was a great performance by Ashba, shows the Fox audience why he is in gnr :)

Honestly? Yeah I can.

And even if I couldn't, it wouldn't matter. Anyone can express their opinion on what they think is bad or not. And I will continue to express mine.

If Robin did it, well - he wouldn't do it. Robin plays actual real music. Not bland attempts at cliche "emotion" guitar peices, which is exactly what BOD is IMHO. But, what does Robin have to do with anything?

Your dislike for Dj is known. Why even bother commenting?

You're wasting everybody's time.




/jarmo

It has nothing to do with my dislike for DJ. I'm commenting on the specific performance. Which I thought was sloppy and had terrible tone. If he had played a good song, and it sounded good, I would have given my honest opinion on that as well. I have no bias against DJ. I'm just giving my opinion based on this particular performance. Not my overall view of him.

The same could be said for someone who like's DJ. Why did they bother commenting? Um, because it's a discussion forum - people give there opinions and discuss.

I don't see how me writing three words is wasting anyone's time. "That was bad". I'm sure you wasted more time typing your response. If people don't respect my opinion or care about what I have to say, they don't have to read my posts.

Really?

Well, do it, upload it to youtube and let's see  :D

Yeah really. Sorry, but I don't plan on uploading video's to youtube of me playing just to prove something to some anonymous guy on the internet that I don't know (no offense). My recording software is not installed on this computer I'm using here, and I'm not going to set it up now for this. So you'll just have to take my word for it. Regardless, the point still stands. Even if I didn't play guitar at all, anyone should be able to give their opinion on something regardless of if they can play, or how well they can play. However, when I do get my gear setup eventually, I'll gladly post some stuff on youtube, and you can check it out then.

Seriously?

Why do you need to comment on something you don't like?

Do you go to McDonalds and tell the guy taking your order which menu items you don't like?



There's no discussion to be had. You don't like it. So fucking what? What kind of discussion are you expecting? For somebody to prove you wrong?

Unless you just have to put down a guy because you dislike him.....


Just a little hint to you Robin fans: Stay away from any threads with the two letters D and j next to each other in the subject. It can't be that difficult.





/jarmo

I am just asking you to add some credibility to your post. I am over 40, and I could record a crude video and upload it in 5 minutes.

Show you are better than DJ. Copy something he has done.

Yeah, I comment on things I'm passionate about. Like GNR. I'm not passionate about McDonalds so no, I do not do that. That's how it works on pretty much every discussion forum Jarmo - except this one.



You're right. I excepted way too much out of this place. See, in the real world, outside of the HTGTH bubble, people would respond by respectfully agreeing/disagreeing. Not going on a rant because they disagree with someone's opinion and can't handle that people don't think the same thing as them. There are many things to discuss.
It's not about proving people wrong or right. It's about legit discussion which you, for some reason don't want to allow.



What are you, his mom? I'm not putting him down. I'm saying I thought his performance was bad IMHO. He's a professional guitarist. He can handle some critisism. I'm not putting him down. He puts himself out there as an entertainer - people who do that will get judged on their performances. That's how it works.


Why? And what does being a Robin fan have to do with DJ. Are you implying that all Robin fans dislike DJ? People can't like both? And why do you say "Robin fan" like it's some kind of horrible thing to be? Yeah, I'm a Robin fan. So? This is a thread about DJ, is it not?
 

Why? This thread isn't about me. Why do I need to prove I'm better than DJ Ashba? If people don't want to beleive me, I don't care. It doesn't matter anyways because, like I already stated - anyone can have an opinion on anything, regardless if they can do it or not. It just so happens that I can. But, it's irrelevant, and I don't need to prove myself to make my point.

It's like going to the circus and seeing a sloppy performance where the acrobats keep falling and the clowns aren't amusing...etc. The response anyone would have would be "that was bad". Or seeing a terrible movie. The response someone would make to their friends as they walked out of the theatre would be "that was bad". Now, I'm sure 99% of those people aren't acrobats, clowns, or directors. But, they can still have an opinion on them, can they not?

Same thing applies here. So whether or not I can play as good as DJ does not matter. Like I said, I should have some stuff on my youtube channel at some point in the future. If you really want to hear my playing, you can see it then. I'm not going to record something now, just to prove something to some people I've never met on the internet - especially when it doesn't have anything to do with my point in the first place. If people want to think DJ is a better player then me, they can. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone.

All I did was write three words and this place goes into a hissy fit. It's my opinion! If you disagree, good for you! Calm down folks, it's just a band.

Good guitarists respect other good guitarists. You do not speak like a guitarist.

I can guarantee that Robin would not ever qualify your opinion on DJ, and would be disappointed that one of his fans has such a closed mind about a fellow guitarist.

I am a guitarist. And you can not guarentee anything. Your assumptions have nothing to do with the topic. This thread isn't about me. It isn't about Robin. Not sure why you keep bringing that up.

I thought Dj's performance was bad. That is my opinion. If you want to discuss that, I'm all for it. If you want to make assumptions about my playing - that is ridiculous and off topic. lol, are you trying to bait me into uploading a vid? Like I've said about 10 times now, I do not care if people wish to believe that DJ Ashba is a better player than me, or the lastest theory, that I do not play guitar at all. Go ahead and think that. I could really care less about your assumptions of my playing which are based on absolutely nothing, or your assumptions on what you think Robin Finck would think of me. lol. Both are irrelevant to the topic and silly in the first place.

Edit: I also wonder what brings you to believe I am close minded when it come's to DJ Ashba? I always try to look at his playing from a fair viewpoint. I never have a bias on him. If he played something amazing, I'd be the first to admit it. He just...hasn't in my opinion.

Sir,

I have worked with many bands from Patti Smith all the way through to Tenacious D and the Foo Fighters. I have also worked with Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Slipknot, The Strokes as well as many other bands

So, I am asking you to quialify your statement by recording a guitar piece that matches DJ

So, just do it

Awesome. Congrats. Though I'm not sure what that has to do with DJ Ashba on Fox News.


Quialify what satement? The statement that I think DJ's performance was bad? I don't need to record something that matches DJ, to prove that.

It's not like I came into the thread like a pompous asshole saying "lol Dj sucks, I'm so much better". Someone asked me if I could play better so...I answered. I don't think I need to back that up, so I can prove something to some guy I've never met on the internet. If you don't want to believe me, fair enough. You don't have to. But, it's irrelevant to my original point in the first place. And like I've already said, I'll put stuff online later and you can gladly pick it apart and critique it then if you wish. But, I'm not going to upload a video to prove something to you.


We're just going in circles here.

You do come across as a pompous a-hole,. I have enormous respect for musicians and the time they have dedicated to learning their instruments,. I was spoilt as a child, I could have learned any instrument, but instead I found entertainment elsewhere. I did not have the patience to stick to anything long term.

If you have learned the guitar to a degree better than DJ, I would expect you to have respect for DJ and the time he has spent perfecting his craft, even though you prefer Robin

Great interview and guitar solo from DJ, Ballad of death is a brilliant bit of music. Looking forward to what he brings on the next Guns album!  :beer:

Really? I'm not the one bragging about irrelevant ties with musicians, or badgering someone over and over about something they're clearly not going to do. What have I said that's pompous? I don't like Dj's performance. Get over it.


Ok...


Who said I didn't have respect for DJ? And what does my preference for Robin have to do with DJ? I don't dislike DJ because I like Robin. They are two seperate guitar players and my opinion on one does not have any effect on my opinion for the other.

I don't see how saying you think a performance is bad, is disrespectful to a guitarist.

Maybe you and I just have different views on "respect". To which I say, agree to disagree.

Obviously you didn't. If you had any idea, you would've posted something well thought out, something constructive, something worth discussing.

Instead, your post was:



A monkey could write a more intelligent post than that!  :P


See? That's the difference between the HTGTH bubble and the rest of the world.

Here you might actually have to stand up for your words. Not just post "He sucks!" and then have a bunch of people posting "+1" and patting your virtual back.

Now you know.



/jarmo

I'm not sure how the quote "that was bad" conveys intelligence or lack of. It's just an opinion. The discussion comes after the opinion.

If you want me to be more specific - I thought his tone was horrible and his playing was sloppy. I am also not a fan of BOD in general but I think this was a particularily sub-par performance. That is my opinion. If you don't agree, fine. But why do people get upset over the fact that I don't like the performance?

How is saying that was bad any different than saying "dj is great" which someone said. Why didn't you go after them? Both are three word, and apparently equally unintelligent posts. They didn't back their opinion up.

We're going nowhere with this. I didn't like it. That's all there is to it. It's just my opinion. I just think I should be able to say it without having to justify myself. It seems like it's a crime to NOT LIKE something here. Sorry, I'm a human.

At least now you're explaining why you don't like it instead of coming across like a desperate troll.

Progress! :)





/jarmo

I don't see how saying I thought something was bad can be interpreted as desperate trolling. I never asked anyone to explain why they thought it was good. I didn't think it would be neccessary to do so myself.

Quit bitching about people voicing their opinions Jarmo.  Are we ONLY supposed to comment when we like something?  Everyday, all over the world, you see comments such as   "I like" or "I don't like", all over the world on different topics.  You act like it's somethign youv'e never seen before.

Well if you're only going to say " that was bad" without at least explaining your reasons why, is being a troll, imho.

Saying it was bad is fine, but state the reasons why and somebody will discuss their reasons they agree/disagree if they so choose.

I dont need to read only positive things about the band, but if you're going to critique negative, bring more than " that was bad"

CIAT

no offense, but if I had a dollar for ever wrong chord robin played, solo he butchered or more, I could retire.

I'm not exactly sure why Robin is being discussed so much in a thread that is clearly about DJ. If you want to discuss Robin, I'll gladly do it with you in the Robin thread.  http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=57972.0

The fact that people need to defend DJ by attacking Robin, just validates everything I'm saying.

We have arrived at a strange point in the Guns N' Roses timeline when Robin Finck fans are ostracized for criticizing the current lead guitarist's playing...

Segment seemed fine to me.  The tone sounded a bit off maybe, but no big deal.  "Ballad of Death" is a great solo piece.

I think he's the hottest and coolest lead guitarist in GnR since well never mind.  And I like how he's come out in support of anti-bullying. 

You're right.

I don't understand why this guy has to explain why this is a bad performance.

I mean...It's just a bad one, the guitar is out of tune (so every bend he does sounds awful) and to me has a bad tone too. You really have to explain what is so obvious? Maybe people should explain why they like bad performances.  :confused:

I've seen better performances from Ashba  :P.

It's like when you see a beautiful girl and you tell her and then she says: "why I'm beatiful?" instead of saying "thank you, you too" or "go away you suck" C'mon...

Tellin' people they have to explain every single word they say is real troll to me

Im a guitarist, and have been so for almost 20 years, and I agree with some people here. That was not very good, sounded off pitch, or out of tune, and kind of sloppy, in a not cool way.

This site have become like the title of GnRs latest release: or more like a Syrian demoCRAZY! No room for different opinions..

Quit bitching about me trying to tell people there's more to a discussion than complaining about something you don't like.





Opinions are welcome, if they are well thought out, educated and respectful.

Pointless bashing and such, we can manage without. especially when the person doing it is either doing it for attention or never liked anything to begin with.


For example, I have a hard time understanding why people who don't like Dj need to comment on his playing.

If you don't like GN'R in 2012, why do we need to pay attention to your opinion? The world is full of people who don't like GN'R. Most of them don't feel the need to come here to tell us though.


That's the beauty of having your own house. You don't need to pay attention to all the morons who don't like "our" band. Unless they show up uninvited and think we owe it to them, to welcome them while they spew their hate.




/jarmo

I agree with Jarmo here....the hating, trolling, attention seeking, shit disturbing etc. whatever you want to call it is getting old. If you don't like GNR go join a a forum of a band that you do enjoy. Seems like common sense and something very simple to understand.

Who's complaining?


Are you implying that saying "that was bad" is "bashing"? lol. Even more so, are you implying that I said that for attention or because I never "liked anything to begin with"? I don't even know what that second statement means, but I've seen Ashba live with Guns 6 times. I think if I didn't like "anything" that probably wouldn't be the case, eh?

I'll say it again. That performance was bad. My opinon. Get over it.


Because they watched the video and have just as much right to give their opinion as anyone.



Jarmo, you realise that you don't have to be a full blown nutswinger to be a fan, or like the band? You seem to have this twisted mindset where it's either one way or the other. You either love a band unconditionally and don't consider ever thinking of possibly, subconsiously, maybe, thinking something ISN'T PERFECT. Or...you're a hating troll that's sole purpose in life is to bash Guns N' Roses. You realise there is an inbetween, right? Right??? Seriously, the way you respond to people and just the way you post in general makes me wonder if you actually realise that there is some middle ground in there. It's not all black and white.



See above. There is a difference between being someone who doesn't like the band or "moron" as you call it, and being a fan that is realistic and human and can be a supportive of the band, while being honest.

I mean, let's get real - that wasn't DJ's best performance. Whether you like him or not, I think we can all admit that. Well, I think most of us can. I seriously wonder if in your head, you really think that was a great performance.

My post wasn't even a reply to yours, but you took it personally.

Amusing.




So wait, correct me if I'm wrong. A person (you) who don't like Dj to begin with, needs to point out you didn't like the TV performance. Because it's your opinion?

But we all know you won't like it!


Could you point out a post where you complimented his playing?

To show everybody how fair you are. :)



Once again. You're free to have your opinion. Everybody knows musicians make mistakes and so on. But when we know your opinion before you even post or before the performance even took place, it's kinda unnecessary for you to post it.

I've told the same to you Robin fans in the past. We all know you prefer Robin to Dj. We all know you would rather have him in the band. We know!

So, stay away from anything that has to do with Dj. Simple as that. We know your opinion. We don't need to hear it. You've said it already, more than once. We get it.

Unless you have something new to say, to pleasantly surprise us all!


So until then, bye bye.


Here's where you can post about making mistakes, tone and so on: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=57972.0



I'm sorry if it offends you that I don't have a lot of patience to deal with people who like to spend their own free time to whine and bitch about things that they don't have or aren't to their linking instead of focusing on what they have.

We all know Robin is amazing. We heard the same album you did, we saw the same GN'R shows with him in the band that you did. No need to hold a grudge against Dj because Robin chose to not be there. :)



/jarmo

People casually saying, "that was bad, I could do better", irritate the hell out of me especially people that cannot qualify their statements  :hihi:

If he'd said," I'm a guitarist, and that for me was not one of DJ's finest moments because......" that would have been fine. Then you are giving a fair opinion, and explaining it.

I know but, this entire conversation stemmed from my comment. And you appeared to be talking about me or "people like me", otherwise why say it at all? So yeah, I took it that you were reffering to me and people with similar thoughts.





I don't need to. I wanted to. The same could be say for someone who like's DJ. We know they will like it! This is a ridiculous argument. If we followed that logic, then you should never make another post again, because you're just about the most predictable poster of all time. You'll always love every single thing GNR or people affiliated with GNR does...so why bother ever posting again? We all know what you'll say. See how that doesn't make sense?

And besides, I didn't say I didn't like it because it was DJ playing it. I said it because the actual performance itself was bad...it doesn't matter if it's DJ playing it or Angus Young, or Randy Rhoads....I was judging the actual performance and would have said it was bad regardless of who was playing. I didn't go into the thread saying "Dj Ashba is bad". I was talking about a specific performance.


I don't believe I have ever made such a post on this forum. I'm IP banned at MyGNR and I don't believe the search bar is functioning there anyways (and I wouldn't look just to prove something to you). Other than that, pretty much the only other forum I've posted at a lot is GNFNR, to which I am no longer a member of and requested all of my posts have been deleted. So no, I can not show you a post where I have complimented his playing.





Yeah, but here's the thing. I didn't have that opinion because of the fact that it was DJ Ashba. I had it because it was a bad performance in my opinon. See, I'm not like you. I don't just have an automatic set opinion of something before I see it. I mean, if GNR released indisputably worst song of all time - you would post about how great it was. I actually wait before I judge something.


What does Robin or Robin fans have to do with DJ Ashba or this topic? I don't understand why you keep bringing that up or what relevance it has to anything. And why do you imply and generalize that Robin fans can't like DJ as well? Again, back to the black and white arguement. It's not all one way or the other.


No. I will not stay away from any thread and I will continue to post my opinion. You don't know my opinion. If DJ does something I like, I will be the first to say it.

I don't think you understand that my comment was based on a particular performance and not DJ in general.

I have not broken any rules and I have just as much right to post my opinion as you have to post yours. If people don't like it they don't have to read it.



Who's whining? Who's bitching? If anyone is it's you. You're having a hissy fit because someone doesn't agree with you. I thought the performance was bad. That is my opinion. Get over and realise that not everyone has to agree with you all the time. Learn to accept that people don't always think the same. I will never understand your twisted mindset.

If my post was really an issue than by all means, please ban me. If that's really the standard you want to set here, where a simple statement that you think a performance is bad, is some kind of terrible offense - by all means impliment that. The fact that we have been talking about this for 3 pages is bad enough. No one should ever have to defend the right to express their opinon, and your way of condescending people into thinking that having a normal human response to things is EVIL, is just sad.

I've done nothing wrong. I think the performance was bad. I will not say another word on the "issue" in this thread.

@Mysteron, I didn't say "that was bad, I could do better". I said that it was bad and then someone asked if I could do better. So I responded. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. If you don't beleive me, that is perfectly fine but the fact that is irritate's the hell out of you is a little whacky. So for the sake of you're sanity, I take it back. I can't play anything better. Infact, you're right! I don't even play guitar. I made the whole thing up. Happy now?

Jarmo. Im all with you. I read the forum everyday as soon as i get out of work but hardly ever say anything cause all people do is complain like little kids bout this and that and though im only 29 years old i feel to old to get into conversation with people who whine about every single thing. God bless you

So because you have an opinion that Dj's playing was bad, it's fine.

When I have an opinion, that your post saying Dj's playing was bad, is bad, my mindset is twisted?

What does that make you?



You guys are funny.

It's ok for you to criticize and comment. When I do it, I should shut up.

When I question certain people regarding their so called honest opinions, I shouldn't be allowed to do it.


It just seems to me like you would prefer to be able to say anything, without being questioned. Sorry, it's not happening here.

If I don't like something, I'll say so. Just like you want to be able to!



Oh, and next time, try not to refer to other people on the board as nutswingers or twisted.  :-*





/jarmo

Guys CIAT did not bash DJ at all. The irony of this topic is that it deals with DJ doing a segment on fox news about bullying.a bunch of you guys have jumped on CIAT in a typical bullying fashion just for saying his performance was bad. Nice going.

Although he did not get into a whole explanation, I did not take it as bashing. As a music fan and guitar player I too thought it was a little sloppy and did not sound as good as I have heard DJ before. Btw DJ happens to be my favorite guitar player currently in gnr, in case you think I am bashing him. Nevertheless, Ciats comment and DJs performance Does not translate into he sucks. Don't be so fuckin sensitive all the time. Everyone in GnR are top of the line musicians but they can have an off day or their equipment is not set up properly, that does not mean that they suck so dont get your pantys in bunch and gang up on someone in typical bullying fashion because their opinion is different than yours.

You need to put it in perspective. Simple as that.

He doesn't like Dj and was just waiting for an opinion to post his opinion.. Again.




/jarmo

Personally, I'll reserve judgement on DJ until I hear him play on a GNR album.   I mean, look how much better Bucket made I.R.S. & TWAT, which were already recorded as complete songs when he joined the band.  And look how Ron positively added his touch to Chinese & Shackler's, making them both his own. 

I honestly believe that if DJ puts his touch on some of the unreleased tracks, which are supposed to come out this Fall, they will be better for it.  He's great at covering songs, but I think those who he hasn't won over already will get on the DJ train once we see what he's capable of adding to the pot.

You have half read the thread and tried to be clever by feeding in the bullying aspect to the thread to make certain people feel guilty  :hihi:

It was never about the opinion. I just wanted to read a guitarist's review on the piece. If it is was bad, then why was it bad from a guitaring perspective. That for me would be a great thing to read. But it turns out the guy is not even a guitarist.  :hihi:

An opinion can look harsh and out of place if it is not qualified, and others will always pick up on that. It is human nature.

p.s. I personally do not wear pantys, so any bunching is highly unlikely.

I know I said I wasn't going to comment on this again, which is why I ignored Jarmo and Mysteron's former posts but, I feel I again, need to make this point incase you missed it the last 10 times


 - that is not the case. I didn't wait to post something bad about DJ. I thought the particular performance was bad. My opinion.

The fact that I need to justify what I said is beyond ridiculous. I did not bash DJ. I have nothing against DJ personally. Let's all move on and get back to the actual topic. Clearly some of us have different opinions on my post...some more reasonable than other's.

For the record, I didn't watch the video just so I could point out DJ's flaws. Infact I didn't care to watch BOD at all, and if the video had only contained BOD I wouldn't have given it the time of day. I watched because I was interested in DJ's bullying interview and happened to catch, what I consider an extremely subpar performance of BOD after the interview...then I gave my opinion on such subpar performance. Didn't realise it would be so controversial here. The fact that people here need to bombard me, and harass me to prove I can play better than Dj (as if I really have to prove anything to people I've never met on the internet) and bring Robin Finck into the discussion when he clearly has no relevance to anything being discussed is kind of absurd and childish, don't you think?

Let's move on to what's really important here. Good luck to Dj and Bullyville. Hope they can help a lot of people out.

I think you are being a little dramatic

You gave a blunt opinion without qualifying it on a -discussion- forum, then claimed to be better than DJ at playing guitar. When challenged, you post loads of bumph looking for tea and sympathy.  :hihi: The key to discussion forums is discussing, the to-ing and fro-ing of opinions, whether they are strong, or light hearted.

I do agree with your last sentiment though.  : ok:

Why?

I don't find it ridiculous to be able to stand for your opinion. To stand behind the things you say/do.
Not ridiculous at all.

The opposite is ridiculous. When nobody holds you responsible for your words and/or actions.

When you can say whatever you want and nobody says "Why are you saying that?" or "Why do you think that?"...



It seems like some of you have an idea of a discussion that revolves around the fact that you should be allowed to say anything you wish. And nobody should question it.




/jarmo

I've already given my reasons multiple times.

It's my opinon, what are you trying to do, make me change my mind? I said "that was bad". Someone else said "dj is great". Now I wonder - why didn't you make them give an explanation to their equally short statement that they failed to "stand behind"? Why not give them the Spanish Inquisition? And if people really thought it was neccessary, they could have asked for one in a much less hostile way. How about "I disagree" or "why do you think that?"....Instead we get World War III over a three word statement. I've been on many forums and I'm not just talking about GNR forums, and I've never seen people react in such a ridiculous way. The enviornment you create here baffles me Jarmo. But, it's your forum. You call the shots. I don't understand you at all but, fair enough. We're just going in circles here. I don't think there's much more to say. Agree to disagree

Ever heard of constructive criticism?

That's why!




/jarmo

You are adding words like 'hostile' and references to 'World War III' over someone asking you to just make an opinion and explain it, qualify it, justify it. Whatever word works for you.

Instead of just saying, yes, I get what you are saying, you are carrying on this 'poor me' nonsense. You are actually the person keeping the argument going.  :hihi:

I don't understand. Is DJ reading the forum? I need to be constructive when voicing my opinion? And what does that have to do with the "dj is great" statement?

Why do I need to be constructive? Is DJ going to see my post and take my advice? This isn't "help a professional guitarist play better" board. It's a fan discussion forum...

I'm giving my opinion like everyone else. But for some reason there seem's to be a double standard where 3 word statements are only an offense worthy of 3 pages of interrogation if you are providing an opinion that set's off the red alarms of unreasonable highstrung super fans that can't handle people who disagree with them.

And besides, if I actually gave constructive critisism and said what I really feel DJ can do to better himself, it would only make people like you more angry...because I would be honest. If you really want that, by all means I can provide it. But that will just cause another 20 pages of pointless debate...and why is it pointless? Because at the end of the day - different strokes for different folks. I love and support this band. Seen them live multiple times, joined the fanclub, bought every live stream...it's not like I am a basher of the current lineup. Yet, me - someone who probably saw more shows and supported the band more than atleast 75% of the people here in the last year alone (and that's being generous) is called a "troll" because I thought DJ gave a bad performance...lol give me a break.

You don't get it?

When you can be constructive, then it's suddenly a whole lot more interesting than just having a bunch of people complaining.

When you can leave constructive criticism, it means you have thought about it a bit more than just saying "that was bad".


There's no double standard.

Usually people are happy to hear something is good, great or that you like it when asked for an opinion.

It's when you tell the opposite that most are interested in why...

Hence, asking you to explain yourself.



I don't expect you to understand this either since you've been to many forums and so on.



/jarmo

Yeah....I am. Because that's the reality. A couple of examples -




Just a few of many...I'm just saying, people here seem so highstrung. Like they can't handle if people don't agree with them.


I don't get what you're saying....at all.


Read my last several posts. I have tried to end the argument many times and get back on topic.

Because this is a forum and the concept of forums has been around since Roman Times.

You are very, 'We want Barabbas', no explanation. Historically, then kind of mentality has never gone down very well, ever.

Most forums don't flip out when they don't agree with someone or badger them to post youtube video's proving their guitar skill. If you wanted me to explain why I felt it was bad (which I ended up doing anyways) there could have been way better ways of going about it. Instead Robin Finck get's brought up for some reason that is still unknown to me, and people start arguing about things that don't seem to have anything to do with the discussion. I don't get why people need to talk about my guitar skills to defend DJ, or even more random - Robin Finck's...If people need to put Robin down to defend Dj...I don't know, it just seems silly to me. I guess people saw Robin in my avatar and thought it would be clever...yet no one here has actually been able to say anything about Dj himeslf....Kind of just backs up everything I've been saying. So in the end, I think my point has been made and then some. But, as with anything else...different strokes/different folks. If you like Dj's performance, great! All the more to you! I just think people go about making points in a weird way around here...A way I don't see on other forums that are more tolerant and laid back to differing opinions.

You pretended to be a guitarist that was better than DJ who decided his performance was bad without any explanation. So in effect, yes you are right with your above post.

You are now in a dilemma.  :hihi: How do you respond to yourself on the matter

I don't know if this is serious or not but incase it's not, you realise I was being sarcastic....I just knew it wouldn't be dropped untill I gave you the answer you wanted. I am actually a guitar player.

....oh shit here we go again.  :-X

Naah, it's cool  8)

Complete the sentence, then nothing else will be said.

As a guitarist, you thought DJ's performance was bad because.....

Dude this is not about "thinkin". A performance in which the guitarist plays wrong notes, sloppy, on a guitar clearly out of tune how can be defined?  "great"? holy jeez.  :crying:

When axl sings great you have to explain why is great? really? omfg ...  :confused:

PS: CIAT don't wast your time, is like fightin' windmills  : ok:

This isn't "most forums".

Doesn't matter one bit what most forums do or don't do. :-*



/jarmo

I think that you'll find that he was playing all the right notes. But, not necessarily in the right order.*  ;D


Seriously though, I love Dj's playing because it feels like it comes from the heart and I can get totally absorbed in the emotional drama of it. Some musicians seem to lose themselves in their music but are unable to connect with their audience; Dj is from that rare breed of guitarists who draw me into their world as they are playing.  This duality is a vital part of what makes him such a superb addition to the GN'R family and I'm very excited to hear what he brings to the next album.


*(with thanks to the late, great Eric Morcambe)

I can't agree more! Ballad of death and mi amor are amazing! And the tiny little changes that he's made to the solos in this I love and sorry are perfect. He's taken 2 great solos and has turned them into 2 solos where you just get lost emotionally in those solos. He has that extremely rare ability to connect with the audience with every note he plays.

This thread really has just become the CIAT show, lol hip hip horray, any wonder why you are banned from other forums, or rather not post, i dunno, but this thread is so lame now.

Yes it has, much to my dissapointment.

As for why I'm banned from other forums, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but the reason's why I am banned from other forums have absolutely ZERO to do with anything being discussed in this thread, or even GNR in general...so I'm not certain what you mean or what it has to do with anything. I was banned from MyGNR because of an argument with highvoltage, and have been subsequently banned for other reasons none of which are GNR related and all stem from issues with the horrible staff team. I am banned from GNFNR because I asked to be. Long story. What does any of that have to do with anything in this thread that makes you believe it's "any wonder" I'm banned from other forums?

People like you are making this the "CIAT show". Yes, this thread is lame now. So I will again insist that we get back on topic.

Mi Amor is simply beautiful - I love it. As for TIL, I agree, the way Dj plays it seems to compliment the ebb and flow of the song more naturally than on the album. (To clarify, I'm not saying one version is better than the other, simply that to my ears, Dj's playing is more in harmony with Axl's vocal style.)

And just to reiterate my thoughts from a different thread, I applaud Dj for his honesty and courage in exposing his own demons to public scrutiny in support of this anti-bullying campaign. You can see from the video that it's something that has affected him deeply theoughout his life but which he's willing to risk sharing publicly in order to provide hope to anyone going through a similar situation. I remember so clearly the interview Axl gave to RS when he opened up about the abuse he suffered in childhood and how this inspired me to tackle certain issues in my own life. I've no doubt that Dj's involvement in this campaign will prove a similar lifeline to someone as well and hopefully too, in the process, it will assist him in finding a little more peace in his own life.

 It seems to me you are like the antisocial neighbour who keeps being evicted, guess what, in doing the same thing time and time again, don't be surprised if you yield the same results.

Repeat after me 20 times "for things to change, I need to change....."  ;)

You literally have zero clue what you're talking about. If you want the full versions of the story (if you honestly care, which I can't imagine how anyone would) you're more than welcome to PM me and I'll give you the details. Untill then, don't judge situations you know nothing about. And even based on the small amount of basic information you know, I explained that I left one of those forums on my own. I asked for a ban. That doesn't exactly coincide with your "evict" theory, now does it? Your assumptions are misguided and I'm not going into more irrelevant discussion here. This has nothing to do with the thread at all, or even GNR...this is the GNR section isn't it? Not the CIAT section....maybe we should rename it.

You see, you all go on adding things that really don't matter... Who care if they are good songs, if he fits well axl's vocals...and the bully thing, wtf??????... You're  turning a half line quote in a monster thread.  :no:

We are talking about the performance, not about the song itself. Nobody is saying ashba sucks or plays horrible songs or wathever. I mean, mr Pavarotti was the greatest, but sometimes he was booed by the audience. And you know why? Because of a single wrong note. And It's really hard to consider that failing a single note could be called "bad performance". But some people does. And ashba plays really bad in this one, and i don't understand why shouldn't be consider a bad performance.It's called music, not "sounds here and there". Making mistakes is an understandable thing, but you can't prevent somebody from saying "bad performance"  :confused:


nice one  :hihi:

Does it matter if they're good songs?! Of course it does! What a ridiculous thing to say. Why would I want to listen to something that was crap. Perhaps you do but then your indiscriminate listening choices are your problem, not mine.

As for my comment in support of Dj's involvement in this anti-bullying campaign, well yes, this is actually what this thread is about. Try watching the video and you might learn something.


If some ill-mannered ignoramus considers a performance that is not technically flawless to be "bad", then I would respectfully suggest that Guns N' Roses is not the band for them. In fact, I would go a step further and suggest that they attend one of the many pop concerts where lip-synching to a pre-recorded, auto tuned backing track would be more their cup of tea.


nice one  :hihi:
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Why do I get the sinking feeling that the irony of my quote went right over your head?   ::)

still arguing over this ? forgot about this ages ago lol
guys please. this guy sounds like he has an answer for everything so you may as well give up :)

^^ I was just thinking, "CIAT - give it up."

Why do I get the sinking feeling that the irony of my quote went right over your head?   ::)

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Oh really was it irony? OMG!!!!!  ::)

Dude, rock n roll it's not about perfection, you're right, but what does that mean? Again, why do you talk about lyp synching, pop music just to justify a bad performance?

Take it for what it is. Next time he will play better, what's the big drama? I don't know if ciat was trolling or whatever, but his sentence was right.

This is like when you watch old gnr video and you say "Slash fucked up the solo" (and you know, is non that rare). And people start sayin' "Fuck you, try to play when you're drunk" or " notice he dropped the cigarette on his hand"; "slash rules, go and listen to steve vai".

Wtf! A mistake is a mistake, a bad performance is just a bad performance, love it or hate it that's it. If you like eatin sh*t, it doesn't mean that everybody is goin' to say it's chocolate...

Another example: When I said gnr sucked hard at mtv in 2002 people start bashing me and when 4 years after even axl said it was a "catastrophe" the same people start talking about axl's candour & sincerity.

I'll keep this short and sweet because you appear to be finding it difficult to grasp the point I was making and I've lost any inclination to explain it again. You think the troll's opinion was correct, I disagree. Have you got that? Good!


I don't need to watch old videos because I was there. Slash and Duff screwed up on many occasions but so what it didn't mean I enjoyed the show any less.  Did I go away thinking it was a bad performance? No, I accepted them for what they were and didn't feel the need to judge them. You want to pass judgment, fine, but respect the fact that we're not all like you.

Did somebody really tell cyllan to watch old GN'R videos?

That'd be hilarious.  :D




/jarmo

Yeah but the really sad part, jarmo, is that I still have all the old bootleg videos and cassettes - and the means to play them.   :o

Other than a desperate need for attention, why would somebody ask to be banned rather than simply leave or delete their account?

No it tells me that you collect bans as a badge of honour  :confused: I've read on other forums about how Jarmo has banned somebody and its treated in some kinds hero-worship kinda way.  I call it being a cock. You are a cock.

You'd be surprised how often these people post "I don't care if you ban me!" followed by insults and then go on other forums pointing out how evil I am for banning them.  :hihi:

Nine times out of ten, they forget to mention insulting this boards' members and me when they describe the reason(s) for their banning.

It's always "I was banned for disagreeing".





/jarmo

Sadly, no wouldn't be surprised, and yes it's always "I was banned for disagreeing"

Give what up? I think Dj's solo was bad. That's my opinion. If you're bitter over it, that's your problem.

Noone is bitter. You are just not into this whole discussion thing that goes down at message forums.

People that post messages like, 'that sucks', and nothing else are dull to read.

I've given my explanation for why I think it was a bad performance several times through-out the thread. What more do you want? At this point it seems people are just arguing about things that don't have anything to do with the actual subject at hand.


Umm, you have no idea why I left that forum. You are making assumptions based on nothing.



Congrats. What does that have to do with me? Or anything for that matter?


I'd ask for an explanation if I cared what some tool on the internet thinks. Please continue to make baseless assumptions on things you know nothing about. I can't wait to hear what you come up with next.


I don't know if you're reffering to me but, I can assure you that I do not care if you ban me. I just hope that if you do, it's because I actually brake rules. I'm always going to post my honest opinion here and I don't plan on insulting people (unlike other people here) so I don't see any reason why you would ban me. However, I will not care if you do. I'm giving you the benifit of the doubt.

5 pages  :hihi:


Asking for a ban   :rofl:

Dj is a bad ass. 

I guess you can judge this particular performance, but I dont really see the need to do it. He wasnt playing for 60,000 people in a arena, he was just playing BoD to a backing track for fox 5 news :hihi:. He was probably playing on one of his practice amps.  As a guitarist and packing amps and guitars around,  amp settings fuck up or it takes awhile to get it set just right, especially if the acoustics of the room suck. Gibson Les Pauls are notorius for not staying in tune, yes it depends on the Les Paul ( I have 2, one stays in tune and the other is just a cunt now :) ) but it happens when your guitars are on the move, fresh set of strings, etc etc.. So, as a guitarist I dont judge this performance. Theres really nothing to judge, he did fine. IT WAS FOR FOX 5 NEWS!!!! :rofl:  He wasnt playing the fucking grammys or something. He wasnt even promoting the song!!! It was just something he did to be nice ffs.

 The bigger message was the cause to what he was promoting.

5 pages you apparently didn't read.



Umm, when did anyone ask for a ban?



Disagree.


There was no "need". There's no need to judge any performance, good or bad. I wanted to. Not to mention, I didn't even want to see it in the first place - which again, you would understand if you had read the thread.


I actually agree with all of this. The truth of the matter is, it wasn't a very good performance. But, I'm sure there were reasons and various excuses as to why.


Yes you do. You just chose not to express your judgement or validate it. If you didn't judge it, then you wouldn't feel the need to point all of the above out. If it was a good performance, you wouldn't have talked about all the reasons why it wasn't.



Agreed 100% which I have also stated earlier in the thread.

At this point I'd just lock this thing or merge it with the other DJ bullying thread. It's clearly been derailed by my 3 word statement that's gotten everyone in a tizzy. Next time I'll make sure I provide a 5 page essay to stand behind my amazingly controversial opinion /sarcasm. What amazes me most about this whole thing is that people even need an explanation. I mean, we all watched the same video, didn't we?

in 5 pages you've posted a 3 word statement saying " That was bad"

You've claimed to be a guitarist, but refuse to validate that statement because you feel you have nothing to prove to strangers on the internet..even though you have 25 posts in this thread alone reassuring us that" that was bad" was just your honest opinion. Because that...you have to prove to us??  It's your opinion and you have every right to judge DJ... on Fox 5 News...promoting Bullyville

You've been banned from other GnR forums

You've asked to be banned from another forum.



Attention Whore much? Maybe? Just a little?  ;)




I got $100.00 that says you'll reply back and let me know  :hihi:

Wrong again. I've posted my reasons several times now. I don't see why it's still an issue even going by your nonsense logic that people need to give long drawn out explanations especially on something that should be so obvious to most people.


I don't need to validate the statement because it has nothing to do with my opinon. Someone asked if I can play better so I answered. Yes, I can! If you don't believe it, fair enough. I can see why you wouldn't. But it doesn't matter because I didn't make my comment because of the fact I am a guitarist. I made it because anyone can have such an opinion. It's not my fault someone asked me a question and I gave an honest answer. If you don't want to believe it, again I'll say, fair enough. I understand. But having a crying fit because I'm not going to upload a youtube video to prove an irrelevant point to irrelevant strangers on the internet is ridiculous. I have every right to judge DJ's performance. It's not about proving anything. It's about giving your opinion which I am entitled to do. If you can't handle it, go cry somewhere else. I'm not going to argue with an immature kid on the internet about it anymore.


I've been banned on mygnr because of personal issues with mods. What does this have to do with the thread? What is your point? Please....enlighten me.



I chose to leave a forum in private PM with a mod, yeah. What's the problem? I had my reasons. Who are you to judge them based on literally nothing?


Hmm, great question. Let's see. Who's the attention whore here?...the guy who posted an honest opinon (that was only 3 words mind you) and has constantly tried to get back on topic and get the attention off himself or....the guy who is making baseless assumptions on things he literally has zero knowledge of, is continuing discussion on the very pesron he claims to crave attention and is the reason the "attention" is occuring at all, and throwing around insults like a 2 year old....Gee I wonder.

I'll say it again. Move on everybody. I thought the performance was bad. Get over it. Not everyone has to agree with you. If you can't handle it I'd recommend you sign off the internet and don't come back untill you can.

On another note cause the poster above me has an ANSWER to everything, and well whatever, DJ, did a cool thing, and puts himself out there for something he believes in and  that is really what , its about, and CIAT, so what if it wasn't the grandest thing, so what, if you think it sucked, so what if you think it was bad. People only commented on cause you said it was bad, WTF, dude. This wasn't about a performance thing, the whole point of him going on was to bring light to Bullyville , and played a bit. But you instead derailed it by well to be frank acting or no typing like a dick, so, yeah.I really don't want to hear your guitar playing, can care less why you were banned or would ask to banned , I Appreciate the fact, that DJ did a super cool thing. You take it upon yourself to be the know it all and critic, of whatever, . Trust me I can give a shit what you have to say after, I am a fan of the band, met all the guys, appreciate what they do, you have a complex, and its not mine.Thanks DJ, for doing what you did, was it the best performance, maybe not , does it really matter not at all, why some feel to make it an issue as far as I can tell they are the ones with issues, nothing constructive about that.

Same could be said for someone who thought it was good? So what?



I know that was the point of the video. Again, if you bothered to read the thread, you would know that I have been trying to get the conversation back on DJ and Bullyville but people like you don't seem to want to do that. You want to argue petty BS that has nothing to do with the thread. Keep throwing around insults like an immature child. People like you are the only one's keeping this thread derailed so I will again insist that we get back on topic. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving your opinon. I gave mine. Doesn't make me a "dick". You're like a 4 year old that can't handle when people disagree with you.



Then why do you keep talking about it?



Me too, as I have previously stated.



What are you talking about? I said I didn't like the performance. Get over it. I'm not claiming to be a know it all. I'm giving my opinon like anyone else. It was a three word comment. What is wrong with you? You can't handle people not thinking the same as you?


And what complex is that? I've seen the band with Dj Ashba 6 times. I've had him throw me a guitar pick. I'm just realistic. And the truth is I didn't think it was a great performance. It's my opinon. Doesn't make me any less of a fan then you. Get over yourself pal.



Yeah, I'm the guy who made it the issue...by posting three words....three words I had every right to post...sure...I think the only people making it an issue are people like you who are throwing hissy fits over it and still crying about it 5 pages later.

Move on.

hopefully

You need to elaborate on hopefully.....










Just kidding  :hihi:

DJ is cool as fuck deal with it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I just didnt get why people had to bring Robin into this discussion. He has nothing to do with this.

I am sick. to fuckin death. of idiots. holding guitars. and being rock !  Not that this could have ever been the case for GnR but there are SO MANY bands out there and SO MANY lead guitarists that you kinda have to take it into account!


As for DJ Ashba , I like his style more & more and its great seeing him talk. I think he is really cool and I wouldnt really say this easily. So, thank you for the appearance. (and link!)

Has we performing for Motley Crue?