Here Today... Gone To Hell!

slash said he did not want to break up AB by bringing Myles to VR. However, Myles is now in Slashs other band writing music and touring. I think Myles would be the perfect fit for VR. I am not sure why he can't do the same thing he doing with slash but in VR. I think MAtt had originally wanted Myles in VR a few years ago even before slash worked with him.

I was wondering if he would consider joking VR after their performance at HOF they seemed to have great chemistry o. Stage.

Who is Miles anyway? Plus I was supposed to buy the latest album and you know what, I just didnt.

The only person who doenst sing in that album is Stevie's grandmother. Sorry, I am just being honest. & VR are off the line, arent they? 

you know what, whatever mate. Yes, one of those singers again. I read on the internet that Axl has same matching number of trousers VS pants but I am not sure if this is accurate.

 

It's unlikely that VR would do much better commercially than Slash does as a solo act, but from Slash's perspective, he has to split $$ in VR, but solo he get's the lion's share.  So I can't see why Slash would want to bring Myles into VR or have anything to do at all anymore with VR.   

I've read somewhere that Myles was asked to join some time ago and turned it down.

I don't remember exactly, but when the issue came up, I thought Myles said the possibility of him singing for VR was discussed but he was never actually offered the gig.  Not 100% certain, it was a while back when that was raised, at least in this forum.

http://www.antimusic.com/news/10/july/17Velvet_Revolver_To_Change_Direction_With_New_Singer.shtml

"When asked if Myles Kennedy from Alter Bridge who is heading up his solo touring band, was going to join Velvet Revolver, Slash said that he had been asked before but had other commitments."

Wouldn't mind seeing them altogether, but think the name Velvet Revolver should be dropped, unless Scott was brought back into the fold.
New band, new name.

I prefer Matt and Duff individually, but think Slash has something going chemistry wise with the Conspirators.
Like what I hear from the previews so far.

I don't think there should be a rush to run back to VR.

Thanks, was looking around for something too.  Found this, in which Myles says it was never "officially" offered, whatever that means.

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-myles-kennedy-talks-alter-bridge-slash-and-led-zeppelin-314959/2

Hmmm.....maybe Slash just floated the idea out there and Myles said he was too busy but never got an actual legal offer.

I think Slash's solo stuff is sounding better than most of VR's at this point. Perhaps less drama/internal politics and the right mix of guys?

Yeah, he's turned it down more than once.

Maybe the fact that Slash would get paid less in VR than I'd he has Myles with his solo project makes sense. Although, I think Ultimately Slash Duff and Matt do not want VR to be a failure, and having Myles as a singer especially with HoF exposure could put them back on the map and create a buzz in the industry.

they are getting rave reviews for their HOF performance, so if there was ever a time to make Myles the singer now would be the time.  I dont think they will do that though.

He's getting a bunch of great reviews to spite the guy who wasn't there.

Pretty normal procedure. The biased ones who were told there's no reunion, now need to show how the persons who weren't there, and especially one, wasn't needed after all.

Yeah right!





/jarmo

VR is finished unless Scott returns and they do VR as another side project then go off and do stp, conspirators, loaded etc

Or viewers/critics enjoyed his performance and determined that it was worthy of positive reviews.  I understand that doesn't necessarily comport with the narrative you'd like to believe and advance, but it might very well be the case.

lets just keep speculating about shit even though we weren't there.

Indeed.

I haven't to this point been a fan of Kennedy's voice in general but he absolutely crushed this performance, stepped up to the plate and hit a tape measure shot - and getting the well deserved praise for his effort.

I think alot of the positive reviews for Myles have been that most people had never heard of him quite frankly, and then he comes out and kills it singing GNR material that frankly very few if anyone ever does a good job with. So few people can hit those notes that I think it wowed alot of people that this guy they had never heard of is out there belting out classic GNR songs like that.

Myles has been touring with Slash now for what, two years? I was impressed with his voice since I first heard him sing with Slash. He's no Axl, but he has the range and the power and a unique sound of his own. These days that's a rare thing to come by.

That's your assumption.  Many others feel he got great reviews because he did a great job.   Why does a good review of Myles have anything whatsoever to do with Axl?  And what did you expect them to do, play instrumentals because Axl bowed out?  Why should they let Axl determine if they're going to perform?  I think Myles did a great job.   Of course fans would've preferred Axl but he wasn't there. 

Wow! Just wow! And you have the balls to accuse anyone who says the least bit negative thing about Axl of having an agenda? You lose credibility with each post I read of yours my friend.

I think some of the reviews are genuine and others are in fact just to spite the members who didn't show up.  A friend of mine who could care less about the current GNR situation who saw it  thought Myles sounded great.  Myles did hit all of the notes and sounds terrific singing live, however if we are talking about all the intangibles like heart, passion  and balls Myles doesnt have any of them when it comes to GNR material.  He is like Matt Sorum on drums, he nails it perfectly but there is no soul in it.

I thought Myles sounded about as good as could possibly be expected. He's no Axl, but no one can sing GN'R like he can.
Even if Myles voice was identical to Axl's though, not sure you could expect him to match the heart and passion of the guy who wrote the songs.
He has a totally different demeanor to Axl as well. He's certainly no throwback to the great frontman/showman of yesteryears, but aside from Scott and Axl, their extinct.
As for Matt, I think his reputation has eroded unfairly over the years. His drumming on tracks like YCBM and Locomotive hold up to anyone to ever play behind the GN'R kit.

Your last two lines are why many fans of the AFD lineup prefer that lineup to the current one, that is until the current one release their own stuff.  When Slash played his solos, they were filled with heart and soul.  But of course he wrote them.  When I hear Buckethead or DJ play them, they sound technically fine but they are missing that soul that Slash put into them.  But again, he wrote them and the new guitarists are covering someone else's work which is why I am looking fwd to hearing what DJ has written for whatever new stuff may finally await us.

Hypocrisy reigns on these boards.  I think there's some insecurity or something.  If you praise anyone that isn't in the current GnR lineup, it's taken as though you're somehow bashing the new lineup.  You can like Myles and love the original lineup while still also liking the current lineup and vice versa.  They are not mutually exclusive.  Too bad some ppl on here don't get that.

I don't understand why people cannot be objective. I prefer the original line up with Axl. That is my preference, others can have theirs for their own reasons and I respect their opinion. With that said  I think that the new line up is great, play the old and new material great, have great chemistry. As long as it makes Axl happy amd they perform and record music i am cool. Let's see what material they put out in the future.

Myles is not Axl and no one is saying he is,  but he is pretty amazing and sings the GnR material better than anyone else I have heard except Axl. The HOF performance  rocked plain and simple, so if you want to say Myles sucked you are talking shit and just hating. If you don't like when people hate on GnR don't do it to the ex members when it is uncalled for. One thing is saying Steven is an idiot because he talks a lot shit, but don't tell me did not perform well at th HOF and was actually respectful. Give credit where credit is due and don't talk shit because you will lose all credibility and sound like a Steven Adler.

lol oh stop it.

i know my post was deleted in the hall of fame thread so i'm sure it will be deleted here too but Miles brought it.  The songs sounded like they were actually written and Miles sounded just as much as Axl did back in the day as Axl does now (well on Brownstone and Child anyway).

Anyone who says they didn't do a great job is just an Axl cocksucker who can't see anything in a positive light when it comes to the past members, IMO.

deletion in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1...

Look at the above post.

This is the kind of stupidity I have to put up with.

"I expect my post to be deleted. Poor me!".

But nobody pays attention to the fact that he refers to other members of the board as cocksuckers.



Only a complete fucking moron would think the post was removed because he suddenly thinks the stand in for Scott Stapp is the savior of rock.


Regarding people whining about not being able to hate Axl and GN'R, well it's a GUNS N' ROSES site, not a Slash feat. Myles Kennedy and the whateverthefucktheyare called site.


If you only came here because of Myles Kennedy, I got news for you, go look for something to do with his band. GN'R isn't it. No matter how much the Slash fans want to fool you.







Yeah, I don't think he's anything that amazing. He might be talented, but singing GN'R isn't for him.

He lacks the grit, the balls, the attitude. Sorry if that offends you.



Yes, in my opinion some of you are giving him and the former members a lot of understanding.

Everything you're saying about this guy, was said about the previous guy (Weiland).


I'm not a fan of either one. :)







/jarmo

He kicked major fucking ass and did his very best for the guns alum and guns fans. He is just a good dude,  killer singer, and very humble.

If you're only interested in GNR 2012 I don't even know why you care about the kind of reviews they got. 

Of course there are a lot of people that wanted Axl there.

But there are also people that don't care that Axl didnt show up and just enjoyed the show.  (maybe its hard for you to accept that)

Jarmo, aside from Axl. Who do think can sing GnR songs and do them justice if you don't think Myles does a good job? Out of all the guys we have seen IMHO is probably the best after Axl that I have heard. Scott was surprisingly decent on a few GnR songs  but he can be inconsistent at times and does not have the range or pipes Myles does. I can understand you not being happy he performed, but i think he deserves some credit. The one critique I have about Myles is that I do wish he was a bit more animated on stage, but his voice is on the money.

You can have technical ability, be a nice guy, be talented and so on, but in this case in my personal opinion something is missing. That "it" thing.

Weiland might not be technically as good vocalist, but he makes up for it by doing every pose and move from the Jagger/Iggy/Bowie book. He tried hard to have "it".






/jarmo

Kennedys just average in my opinion. His voice is just too bland for rock especially hard rock
I know he has his own style but he just doesnt do it for me

I hear what you are saying. I personally don't think Myles belongs on the same internet as Axl and Scott, lyrically or showmanship wise.
That said, I do enjoy what I have heard from him so far working w/Slash, and thought he was as good as could be expected, maybe better, at the induction ceremony.

I think there could be a couple reasons you didn't see him snake dancing all over the stage that night, though.
One could be that it's just not his personality, but also, he knew the crowd was really there to see members/former members of GN'R.

Anyways, I agree he's no Axl or Scott, but if we held everyone up to those guys, we wouldn't have much other music to listen to.

I think Myles just does the job he is hired to do. He hits all the notes and doesn't get in the way or take attention away from  Slash playing the solos that everybody is paying to see.

It seems as though The Savage Animal did a couple of GNR classics last night in Paraguay with
the Rock N Roll All stars tour.

Any feelings on that anyone? 

Does he have enough balls, grit, swagger, attitude and fist pumping vigor to be allowed to sing these songs with the likes of Duff, Matt and Gilby?

1. I would not like to see Myles on VR.

2. The Hall of fame gig was OK, but as I said before, it was wrong because only Gunners were supposed to be on that stage.

3. The feeling Jarmo got by seeing Myles standing in for Axl is the same feeling that I have when I see other guys standing in for Duff, Slash, Izzy and Steven. I think now he knows how some of us feel...  :rofl:

I think maybe Myles is taking it one tour/album at a time with Slash-I think it's pretty much Slash writing the music, and Myles writing lyrics-with Velvet Revolver, you are dealing with having the other guys with more involvement with writing and stuff-he could stop working with Slash after this tour/album, and it would not be a big deal.

Interesting point

Sebastian Bach has one of the most powerful voices I've ever heard.  I certainly like his tone a helluva lot more than Myles.  Myles has a great range, but his tone is very bland to me.  That's what makes him unappealing to listen to for me.  Also, having seen him live, I don't think he has the greatest stage presence, either.  Baz has the edge in tone and stage presence as far as I'm concerned.  Whether or not he's allowed to sing with ex-GN'R members is another question entirely.  I think he has grit and attitude in bunches.  I don't how his voice would fit with the old band.

Ali

I dont really like Myles. Not my cup of ...vocals. Even remotely. & I am not just listening to GnR! He does obviously deserve credit on even trying to sing the songs of another so well-established artist, in every aspect of it while you have the whole world watching but... his performance was terrible. Just being honest, nothing to do by me being subjective and following blindly someone in specific. I dont think anyone stands in the position of someone else. I mean I understand that the fans  see it this way, but something tells me if you ask the individuals themselves, I hope that none of them would be ignorant or childish to think that they stand in the position of somebody else... Cmon, lets get real here! 

I have to agree with Jarmo about Weiland. He was trying WAY to much & looked completely out of place & time with the rest of the band who looked really cool. His vocals overall were too 'thin' to cover the music behind live, not in relation to depth or tone or whatever, I dont know, just didnt like it all. He was far way to underground for Slash etc so be comparing him Axl? Not even remotely pal! Ha ha! The guy couldn't even hold a candle to him as far as performance, stage presence, range at least for my ears, although I must admit he had a really sweet voice for an edgy pussycat, it was very nice, I don't complain overall.

Ps; Sorry to mention but I have to. I dont know who the hell composed some of the riffs in contraband but, it must be one of the lamest ever and you know what, I do love the music of Slash/Duff etc OK? This record left me scares which will never heal. Infact I was wondering if Slash was ok!  :no: 

Nobody's standing in for anybody. They quit or in Steven's case, was fired.  :-*


So no, I don't care if Myles or you sing GN'R songs.

He's not standing in for Axl in any shape or form. :)






Is this the same nostalgia tour that the cool guy from The Cult is part of?

You can make fun of Baz all day, but he's on that tour while Myles isn't.....



Just because you were in the movie, doesn't make you one. ;)




/jarmo

Do people still really think VR are a band? It's been four years since they've done anything and without Scott Weiland I'm not really interested.

While I thought Myles Kennedy was really good at Download with Slash and I love Back From Cali I don't think he has what it takes to front a real powerhouse rock and roll band. I was watching the Made In Stoke blu-ray at my parents and my mum saw a song and her comment on Myles was: "He seems like he is putting on being a rock guy." I don't know about that, but he just lacks the natural charisma that great frontmen have. Maybe thats the price you pay for having a guy who is drama free?

He grew up a guitar player first and foremost. He is a bad ass player, who just happens to sing. The front man stuff doesn't come natural to him, and he has admitted as much.

As he realized though, guitarists grow on trees. Voices like his don't.

So you're cool with The Savage Animal playing GNR classics?

Whatever you want to call it, past and current members followed the classic ones - would you at least sympathize with fans who feel the same about at least some of the players who replaced the classic GNR members as you do about Myles Kennedy?  That they lack that "it thing?"  Or do you expect every GNR fan (including new-GNR fans) to think that every one of the numerous players brought in since 1996 has that "it thing"?


I got lost on this one...it almost seemed as if you were implying that the "All Stars" tour was lame, only to then imply that it's a bad thing that Kennedy isn't involved with it.

There will never be apathy towards Slash in the Guns n Roses community-people who claim to hate him, or Myles , will more than likely still listen on you tube, listen to album samples, and make comments-I have no idea when someone can't stand a band, or Slash, they still are interested in what he does-if I hate a band or musician, I'm done with them.

I don't think we should play the nostalgia card here when referring to former GNR members when everybody who goes to a GNR gig nowadays can see the definition of that word clearly in the air. Like when 90% of people don't care for the new songs and whenever they are played people go to the bathroom or grab a beer...

I have asked that question several times on here after seeing certain people say essentially what you just said in response to those who criticize the new GNR only to then come to this section to make exclusively negative comments.  Criticism of anything pertaining to new GNR is often described as "whining" by those who exclusively criticize the former members.  I never quite made sense of it or figured out why it wasn't a glaring double-standard.

I posted this at gnrevolution

figured it was fitting to post here

Difference in Slash fans and Axl fans?


U will NEVER, EVER, in your life hear a Slash fan deny  Axl's genius,showmanship,frontman abilities or artistic abilities. they may say this n this about him, but all will give Axl his props and respect he is due.

On the other hand.

most Axl fans do everything they can to dismiss Slash and his contributions and try like Hell to twist things like he wasn't a major contributor/factor in GNR's success


No one would EVER in their right mind compare Myles Kennedy to Axl Rose but yet how many people on this board said someone like Robin Finck was better than Slash??? its essentially the same fucking argument. both arguments are beyond ridiculous.

What in gods name are you talking about?  Why must you twist everyone's words around to push your agenda?  no where did I ever say Miles is the savior of rock, fuck I'm not even a fan of Miles.  I'm not even sure I plan on picking up the new Slash solo album because he's the singer.  Dude can really sing but isn't my cup of tea.

My post in the R&R HOF thread was deleted when I said that "as much as I love the new band the it's nice to hear the songs played the way they were written."  "And Miles really brought it, he did a great job".  I can't see ANY reason why that post should have been deleted.  Tell me what I did wrong.

Christ, no matter what you say on this board if you aren't hanging from Axl's dick it gets deleted.  I actually haven't seen one person on this site or another site say that Miles and the original members of Gn'R did a bad job.  In fact I've seen nothing but rave reviews.  I'm not calling anyone a cock sucker because I haven't seen anyone say they did a poor job. 

The only negative thing I've seen about the performance is you saying that the only reason they're getting good reviews is to spite Axl. 

I love Axl, I love Gn'R, I've supported the band, I bought the album, I've gone to the shows I defend the guy to everyone I know because everyone I've ever met says it's not the real Gn'R, including everyone I talk to AT the shows.  But fuck, I'm not stupid enough to believe the guy can do no wrong.  I don't blame him for what happened, I don't blame slash for what happened.. but just because shit happened doesn't mean that Slash and Miles can't put on a fucking good show with the guys who WROTE the songs in the first place.

Myles was interview by Eddie Trunk tonight on his radio show, and when asked about the HOF from what I read he said it was initially Duff's idea for him to sing and he brought it up first at the Golden Gods awards last week. It was real last minute, and he was worried about stepping into a hornets nest, but decided to go through with it and was thrilled to do so because he was such a GNR fan and the guys really wanted to play.

Myles is a good dude that was there for his friends, it wasn't about him getting praise, or attention. He is one humble dude. No need to give shit to such a nice person with a he'll of a voice.

Jarmo, just tell me one thing. Why does it annoy you so much, if people still care about Slash and the other ex members and their efforts? Slash, Duff, Steven, Izzy, Matt and even Gilby are still part of GNR history, that hasn't changed just because they're not in the band anymore. Why is it such a crime to not hate Slash? I don't know who's fault the break up of the old lineup was and frankly I don't give a fuck anymore, cause it's just a lot of he-said-she-said bullshit anyway. But I support both the current AND former members of the band. What's wrong with that?

i am the only one here who thinks that myles voice just simply sucks?

Where did I say anything bad about former members of the band? Where did I discredit their contributions to the band?


I said I don't think Myles Kennedy is as great as some Slash fans here think.

Same shit every time. Say something remotely critical about Slash's current band and you hate Appetite For Destruction.  :rofl:

Nice try as usual trying to change the focus to GN'R.



I think Myles' singing is bland. Boring.

Everything GN'R doesn't represent to me.



Do I have an issue with former members taking part in some kind of all star rock n' roll greatest hits tour? No.

Do I find it amusing to have a fan of The Cult trying to discredit a singer on said tour while a member of The Cult is part of the same "circus"? Maybe...


So Falcon, stop discrediting what the old members did in GN'R because you don't like Baz!




/jarmo

D you hit the nail on the head with Axl v Slash fans. I have always felt that way too.

I would just like to add, why is there even annimosity toward slash at this point? When was the last time he said something negative about Axl? To my knowledge I dont think he has ever said anything bad about the current members, CD, etc. so why all the hate? I mean you guys never give slash credit why? It's like everything he does sucks, only because Axl still hates him. But when izzy does something it's great and let's support him because Axl is still friends with him.

I get people have favorites in this soap opera and sometime certain albums and/or material is better or worse, but as true GnR fans there is always an element of their work that is appealing and at the very least I think we as fans should support and not try to tear down these guys. I love slash but even as a fan I can objectively say that there is some material post GnR that has been great and some that has not. As fans we always want these guys to out do themselves but unfortunately it does not happen all the time but does from time to time.

Same goes with GnR and Axl As a fan I want them to out do themselves every time and put out great music for the fans to enjoy. I accept slash not being in GnR and although I wish he and Axl could at least be friends I am not going to sit here and say DJ sucks because he will never be slash because it does not really matter if he is or not. as a GnR fan I want to support him and hope he can contribute to the band.

Btw there are certain people in life that are one of kind and they will never be replaced. There will never be another Muhhamad Ali, Michael Jordan, Axl, and Slash, etc.

With that said I believe its fair to critique Myles or DJ, Matt, Frank, Axl, Slash, their music, performances, decisions without totally bashing them about stupid shit. As fans we can have an objective discussion about the former.

I get what some say about Myles that they believe he lacks stage presence Because he is not to lively on stage. I would agree with that, but I still think he has a great voice and sings great live. His voice is always on the money at live shows.

As most of us agree he is not Axl, but he is a pretty great singer, why can't the Axl fans just say he's not Axl but he and slash have good chemistry and putting out good music and be supportive.  This is what new GnR fans want from the slash fans... Axl is happy with his line up and has a good chemistry and putting out good music.  We are all not going to love everyone song these guys write but to say that they suck or that they are lame is a bit extreme because they usually write pretty decent music.

Even With regards to Gnr I believe this is best line up since the UYI tours. Although I still prefer Buckethead to BF and Brain to Frank musically and because of their stage presence. I think BF can shred but lacks stage presence and the GnR edge, although he  seems like a really nice guy so don't try to say I am bashing him. here I am just stating a personal preference about the make up of the band, but I am not saying BF or frank suck musically or as individuals because they dont.

Did I miss something?  Where did Falcon criticize that tour or call it a "circus?"

As far as I can tell, you actually characterized it as a "nostalgia tour," which I will assume is pejorative, and then insinuated that there's something wrong or lacking with Myles Kennedy because he's not a part of it.  Falcon only asked you a question about Bach singing GNR songs.

But like I said, I might have missed something here.

Where anywhere did I try to discredit a singer on the tour or try to imply the tour is a circus?

I merely asked if anyone thought Bach had the intangibles as a frontman to sing GNR classics in a fashion fans were comfortable with.

Ali answered the question quite well, straight and to the point without rambling on and on and evading the question in a counter productive accusatory manner.

Do I find it funny you're implying a tour is lame then suggesting someone I never mentioned (Kennedy) is less than qualified because he's not involved?...Absolutely...

I wish Myles would join VR. I think VR is probably dead though........

I didn't say you called it a circus.

You constantly refer to the guy as Savage Animal.

Come on.

It's obvious you don't like the guy. That's why it's a bit funny that he's on the same package tour doing the greatest hits of said bands with a member of your favorite band. :)

I pointed out that even though you make fun of him at every chance you get, he's part of this package tour filled with so called rock stars while Myles isn't. He just played one in a movie. ;)





Regarding Slash fans going on and on about animosity towards Slash and the discrediting of his input in GN'R, which is absent in this thread!

You think his singer is bland and suddenly you think the guitar work in Estranged sucks? Is that what you got out of it?  :rofl:




/jarmo

Just a timely question regarding fans level of comfort with a singer's intangibles/credentials as a frontman delivering GNR classics when another's has been brought into discussion.

I received a thoughtful answer from Ali and you decided to go in a different direction.

DISCLAIMER: No Savage Animal's were harmed in the writing of this reply  ;)

I don't see Savage Animal as derogatory at all. You guys do know that he has trademarked the name, right?

BTW, last time I checked Baz could sing ANYTHING. He owns Axl, Myles, Scott and Astbury by far!  Not only that, his voice is as strong as ever, unlike the guys I mentioned who are way past their primes...  ;D

yes, because he is a very talented singer.  Now if he is not your style, that is one thing, you are free to not like him, but to say he sucks is to discredit his ability, which would be wrong.  Its like me saying that Chris Cornell's voice sucks because I don't it  and to me he always sounds constipated.  That is wrong, he is clearly a phenomenal talent, I just don't like the sound of his voice, doesn't mean he sucks.

I know Myles has way more hits than Baz over the past 10 years

even though I like Sebastian better as a vocalist.

to refer to Myles as some Scott Stapp stand in and not a true singer isn't accurate

Myles doesn't have amazing natural frontman ability cause he isn't one.. he is a guitar player that decided to sing cause it was so hard to find one.

Yeah but in another thread u were implying Axl and Izzy were the main songwriting team and upheld Axl's ridiculous statement about Slash contributing a few riffs and solos as if they were just some run of the mill ho hum nothings.

Yeah, sorry for reading song writing credits.




I tend to believe a man who was there at the time, rather than you D. Sorry. No offense.



/jarmo

Based of your own theory about reactions due to "spite", Axl may be saying that because Slash is no longer there so its cool to downplay his contributions.  Kind of like how your said critics are praising Myles cause Axl wasn't there.  Goes both ways.

No, it's not just because of one thing. It's simple logic. Looking at song writing credits and what has been said.



So people think Slash's singer could be in VR? How would that work out? Considering he was the guy who didn't wanna use the singer the other guys seemed to like?

Wasn't their last album a group effort until it came out and then apparently it was just a Weiland concept album? Slash can do his Snakepit kind of thing under his own name, why would he be interested in VR with somebody famous and having to adjust to the singer's needs?




/jarmo

Loder: What prevented you from doing, like, a traditional rock record?

Rose: Slash.

Loder: [Laughs] But you could have found another guitar player or something, right?

Rose: Well, not really.... Not to make a true Guns record.

Interesting that Slash's contributions to the band were less significant than other members', yet he was the reason Axl couldn't "make a true Guns record."  The answer to Loder's question could have been Izzy if Slash's contributions were less important, right?

I think you just took that waaaaaaaay out of context.



That's the QUESTION AND ANSWER. Not just part of it to fit your needs.

Nothing in that backs up your assumptions or proves that what Axl has said later to be untrue....

He wanted to make a GN'R album with Slash, since Izzy was already gone. Slash wasn't interested. So he did Snakepit and quit.





Anything you wanna add to the actual topic?

I'll wait for Falcon to tell you to stick to the topic.  :P



/jarmo

Spin it how you like, Axl's words in 1999 were pretty straighforward - Slash's absence prevented him from making, in his words, "a true Guns record."  A statement like that certainly leads me to believe that Slash's contributions to the band were more significant than some would like to believe. 

On topic, Myles is a humble, baggage free singer that would probably get along with just about anyone.  Add the fact that he can fucking sing, and sure, I wouldn't mind him in VR.  I want to see how the Apocalyptic Love album turns out first.

Booker, we all know Slash has yet to be truly replaced, Brian May says the same thing.  Note the lack of actual riffs on CD.  We all know his importance.  Axl can still make great music without Slash, but it will surely miss Slash's feel for sure.

Just to be clear, I wasn't making any implications about Axl's music, the current band, etc.  I am only pointing out that Slash apparently contributed more to the band during his time as a member than some are willing to acknowledge.

Its the chicken and the egg argument to a degree..

SCOM made GNR household phenoms

Slash writing that riff sparked song being written.. if he doesn't write that riff.. Izzy doesn't play the chords, Duff doesn't write the bass line.. Axl doesn't write the lyrics etc GNR may have been just another band since no one really played them/gave them a shot due to their different sounding music.

U take slash's guitar off NR and Estranged.. they aren't all time masterpieces IMO... don't even get me started on Coma etc.

but anyhow, we've argued about this for years.

really don't mind the set up Slash has now with Myles and Todd and Brent.

VR is dead till Weiland comes back.

Agreed...

It's a silly argument downplaying any of the alumni's contributions.
You don't have to read writing credits, or a bitter ex-bandmates recollection. Just listen to the music.
If you don't hear Slash all over it, you're not listening.

As for VR? I'm more interested in the lineup Slash has now.
VR should stay dead unless Scott rejoins.

D, D, D.... Just because you put down a guitar, bass, drum etc. track on a song, doesn't make you the song writer of that song. The composer.

Just because Slash did a great version of Hey Joe on British TV, doesn't mean he wrote that song!

Out of those four songs, Slash has song writing credits for two. :)

Did Steven Adler write Paradise City because he plays the recognizable drum intro? No. Is it easy to recognize? Yes. Does it mean it's not important? No.



Get back to your favorite band, VR.  :P



/jarmo

You're really outdoing yourself lately.  From blaming Slash and the others for GnR breaking up to now attempting to diminish Slash's contributions to GnR.  There is no question that there are multiple reasons for the classic lineup's demise and they include Slash's drugs, Axl's tantrums and ego, Izzy leaving, Duff's drugs, Adler's drugs, money, and countless other issues we'll probably never know.  It's a once in a generation type of thing for 5 guys to meet up and create what they did on AFD.  It's why those songs still get the biggest pop at any GnR show, Slash tour, Adler tour, etc.  Those 5 guys created that album together.  All contributed.  UY1 and 2 were still classics but the sound changed without Adler and Izzy.  CD has a totally different sound aside from Axl's vocals.  It is blatantly apparent that Slash, Duff, etc were just as responsible for the success of GnR as Axl. To say otherwise is foolish.  If it were all Axl as you like to say/imply, why didn't his previous bands take off, like H Rose or Rapidfire?  And it's not just Axl.  The new GnR and/or anything Slash has done, save for VR (which had 3 former GnR members and a well known singer), haven't come close to experiencing the success of what those guys accomplished together. 

Silly. The issue was song writing, not how big part each member had in the band's success.

In some bands, the most popular member isn't even the main song writer!

 :)


Get back to VR before Falcon has to warn you.  :-*





/jarmo

Song writing credits are overrated. DCG, wow, how many songs have those chords strummed, a million. How many have the intro and solo of sweet child? None.

If the song writing doesn't correlate with 'how big a part each member had in the band's success', then why did you bring up song writing?   

That right there, probably says it all. :D

I didn't: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=64182.msg1330627#msg1330627

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/jarmo

Alright Axl you've had your fun now give Jarmo his account back  :hihi:

No, I don't think there is any chance Myles will consider joining VR. :confused:

 :hihi:

Is it just me or about every single person who posts on the VR section has a negative karma?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: