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Title: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: BumbleBuzz on October 10, 2011, 06:56:00 AM
I got thinking the other day that the band did such an amazing job performing Estranged live for the first time in 18 years that it would be great to see them record a studio version and release it as a single to help promote the US tour? Certainly the soundboard alone from Rock in Rio would have been recorded, they could polish that a little (you know the usual Live record polishing) and release it?

Also, Axl sang "I'm only 28 and much too young to let love break my heart" - do you reckon he should update it to match his age this year :peace:


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: reayj2003 on October 10, 2011, 07:05:04 AM
Would not be cool! It's a song on Use Your Illusion 2... Why make a different version. If it ain't broke don't fix it!


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: AxlReznor on October 10, 2011, 08:50:01 AM
I'd really love to hear them play it, but that's as far as it goes. There's no need to re-record a classic. Especially not when there's so much of those guys' own material to get out.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: LIGuns on October 10, 2011, 09:06:31 AM
bad idea..cool that they R' playin' it...


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: LongGoneDay on October 10, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
Not very.
It's one of the greatest songs ever recorded in my opinion. Leave it be.

I'm sure they'd rather focus on their own material, anyway.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Bodhi on October 10, 2011, 10:22:51 AM
I think it would be awesome, I am a big fan of when bands re-record their hits with a modern touch.  Nobody is saying to replace the old version of "Estranged", but whats wrong with another version to listen to?  People act like if you re-record a song you will ruin the old one and never be able to listen to it ever ever again!!!  I've been dying to hear the re-recorded "Appetite" since 1999 when it was first mentioned.  I thought the end of "Sweet Child" in Big Daddy was great!

However releasing it as a single for promotion I am not a fan of.  I think it should be a free download for fans, just something fun to do. 


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: richwoman on October 10, 2011, 10:26:30 AM
Don`t think so, it`s great to hear it live but you should always move forward never go back new material is the way to go :peace:


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: NicoRourke on October 10, 2011, 10:44:30 AM

I got thinking the other day that the band did such an amazing job performing Estranged live for the first time in 18 years that it would be great to see them record a studio version and release it as a single to help promote the US tour? Certainly the soundboard alone from Rock in Rio would have been recorded, they could polish that a little (you know the usual Live record polishing) and release it?

Also, Axl sang "I'm only 28 and much too young to let love break my heart" - do you reckon he should update it to match his age this year :peace:

I was thinking about that right after Rio. I love the fact that GN'R is playing it again, they are doing a great job. Mr Dizzy Reed on the keys, Ron & DJ trading guitar melodies, etc.

I would love to hear a 2011 take on the song. Would be a perfect epic 2-piece single coupled with TWAT.

About the age thing, I wouldn't change it - It's all about the time and place that he was when he felt that IMO. People understand that  ;)

Like previous poster, not saying that the UYI II track needs it. Just that I love what I feel when hearing the 2011 live version. And it's my all time GN'R favorite.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: sworrm on October 10, 2011, 11:51:03 AM
waste of time i reckon


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: LunsJail on October 10, 2011, 12:23:02 PM
If this group of guys gets anywhere close to a studio we need to hope it's about making new music.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: jamesdm on October 10, 2011, 12:26:55 PM
If this group of guys gets anywhere close to a studio we need to hope it's about making new music.

Exactly why to re-record somthing that was already epic? I prefer that they make new sons and maybe a couple epic or great one's.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: big_machine on October 10, 2011, 01:05:28 PM
NEW VERSION OF ESTRANGED = NOT COOL AT ALL   (That`s for shitty bands) no GUNS N ROSES

NEW SONG OR ALBUM  = SUPER COOL


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: draguns on October 10, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
It's really a POOR IDEA to say the least!!!! Estranged is old school GNR with Slash creating great guitar riffs for it. Leave it be!!!! Let the guys create new classic and epic songs.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: kyrie on October 10, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
Not something I'd want to see. I'm thrilled they're playing it live, but there's no need to redo it.

I'd rather hear new songs/unreleased songs, or covers of non-GN'R songs (like Riff Raff).


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: jacdaniel on October 11, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
awful idea for so many reasons. 


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Bodhi on October 11, 2011, 10:39:26 AM
wow you guys really got your panties in a bunch over this...where is the harm in it?  It would be fun.  I dont understand this "leave it alone" nonsense, nobody is doing anything to "it"!  Its not like we are going to hunt down all the copies of UYI 2 and replace it with a newer version!  Geez, lighten up people.  I would be curious to hear it, especiallly since I prefer the studio version of "Sweet Child" in '99 more than the one from 87' in SOME ways.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: LunsJail on October 11, 2011, 10:43:28 AM
wow you guys really got your panties in a bunch over this...where is the harm in it?  It would be fun.  I dont understand this "leave it alone" nonsense, nobody is doing anything to "it"!  Its not like we are going to hunt down all the copies of UYI 2 and replace it with a newer version!  Geez, lighten up people.  I would be curious to hear it, especiallly since I prefer the studio version of "Sweet Child" in '99 more than the one from 87' in SOME ways.

I don't think there's any harm, some of the people here just think it would be pretty pointless.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Bodhi on October 11, 2011, 10:45:04 AM
wow you guys really got your panties in a bunch over this...where is the harm in it?  It would be fun.  I dont understand this "leave it alone" nonsense, nobody is doing anything to "it"!  Its not like we are going to hunt down all the copies of UYI 2 and replace it with a newer version!  Geez, lighten up people.  I would be curious to hear it, especiallly since I prefer the studio version of "Sweet Child" in '99 more than the one from 87' in SOME ways.

I don't think there's any harm, some of the people here just think it would be pretty pointless.

yeah I think that depends on the person though, nobody said there has to be a point to it, just a fun thing for the fans..


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: LongGoneDay on October 11, 2011, 12:13:30 PM
wow you guys really got your panties in a bunch over this...where is the harm in it?  It would be fun.  I dont understand this "leave it alone" nonsense, nobody is doing anything to "it"!  Its not like we are going to hunt down all the copies of UYI 2 and replace it with a newer version!  Geez, lighten up people.  I would be curious to hear it, especiallly since I prefer the studio version of "Sweet Child" in '99 more than the one from 87' in SOME ways.



Haha, I hear you. I guess I wouldn't consider it a crime.
I can understand why someone would want to hear it. I'm personally just not interested.
I don't think it can be improved upon. I listened to the UYI II and Live Era versions all day to erase the recent Rio version from my memory.

It won't help them escape Slash's shadow any.

Honestly, we've heard exactly one studio album of original material from Guns N' Roses in the past 20 years.
They aren't exactly the model of productivity. If they happen to find themselves in a recording studio anytime soon, you would think original material would be the primary focus. Let the new guys make their mark.

I'm curious to hear what Ashba can bring to the table creatively.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: One.In.A.Million on October 21, 2011, 02:57:50 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Bridge on October 21, 2011, 08:42:37 PM
NEW VERSION OF ESTRANGED = NOT COOL AT ALL   (That`s for shitty bands) no GUNS N ROSES

I'll definitely back you up on that.  Only aging bands in the twilight of their careers, who are desperate to boost record sales, will do this sort of thing.

And as others have suggested, it's a waste of time to re-record "Estranged" because you can't improve on perfection, and it's not going to erase Slash's shadow any.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: GypsySoul on October 21, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
NEW VERSION OF ESTRANGED = NOT COOL AT ALL   (That`s for shitty bands) no GUNS N ROSES

I'll definitely back you up on that.  Only aging bands in the twilight of their careers, who are desperate to boost record sales, will do this sort of thing.

And as others have suggested, it's a waste of time to re-record "Estranged" because you can't improve on perfection, and it's not going to erase Slash's shadow any.

YEAH!!!  AND FUCK JIMI HENDRIX!!!  "ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER" IS NOW AND FOREVER ONLY A BOB DYLAN SONG!!!!  :rant:


 ::)  Seriously, some of you really have to learn how to deal with change.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: D on October 21, 2011, 10:17:51 PM
U really didn't just say that did u Gypsy?

Jimi's version is COMPLETELY different whereas this would simply be a retread of what already is recorded.



Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: D on October 21, 2011, 10:19:14 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o

U can't be serious


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Bridge on October 22, 2011, 08:09:49 PM
Jimi's version is COMPLETELY different whereas this would simply be a retread of what already is recorded.

And add that to the fact that Bob Dylan is arguably the worst "big" recording artist in history.  Any garage band can do a better version of a Dylan recording than Dylan's original.  The same cannot be said about a masterpiece like "Estranged".

Also, GypsySoul, you completely misinterpreted my (accurate) point that re-recording "Estranged" would be a desperate attempt for one band to cash in on their past songs (like many past-their-prime bands do) by re-recording them with different lineups.  This is not quite the same as a band covering another artist with a completely different version of the song.  GNR covering Dylan's "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" is a perfect example, and vastly different than redoing "Estranged".


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: One.In.A.Million on October 23, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o

U can't be serious

Yes.....totally serious.  :)


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: NicoRourke on October 23, 2011, 12:59:18 PM
re-recording "Estranged" would be a desperate attempt for one band to cash in on their past songs (like many past-their-prime bands do) by re-recording them with different lineups.

Why not share it for free through Facebook or the official website? They don't have to sell it.
Anyway, I'm not against it, as Estranged if my fav song, along with Sorry and TIL. But the drums are somehow getting in the way of the song for me, hence why I wouldn't mind some reworking - but not asking for it. I'm so completely happy with everything the band has done, what I felt hearing the songs, going to shows.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Smoking Guns on October 23, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o

U can't be serious

Yes.....totally serious.  :)

Wow, just wow....  Sloppy shredding over the chord progression created by Izzy while trying to cop Slash's solo is just a cheap cover..  And required no thought.  All robin had to know what key the song was in, and just shred...  Where as Slash put together one of the most iconic solo's ever recorded.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: D on October 23, 2011, 05:21:34 PM
I don't waste my time even arguing anymore. Im convinced most people are absolutely tone deaf.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Bridge on October 23, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
Why not share it for free through Facebook or the official website? They don't have to sell it.

Even if they don't sell it, it doesn't change the fact that it's a pointless retread of a classic masterpiece that will NOT sound better than the original.  Not to mention the waste of money paying musicians and studio fees to re-record a 20 year old song that won't serve any purpose other than to "wow" the 4 or 5 people on this website who actually care to hear it.

Also, it amazes me how some of you harshly criticize Slash for allegedly dwelling on his GNR past, yet the same lot of you turn around and encourage Axl to do exactly the same thing, which would be the case if Axl re-recorded "Estranged" (or any other old GNR song).


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: cotis on October 23, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
A nice iTunes single release would be sweet, maybe a little EP of re-written/recorded songs.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: Gunner80 on November 18, 2011, 01:29:08 PM
Ahhh... no! it's perfect already. Doesn't need to be messed with.


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 18, 2011, 03:21:13 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o

U can't be serious

Yes.....totally serious.  :)

Wow, just wow....  Sloppy shredding over the chord progression created by Izzy while trying to cop Slash's solo is just a cheap cover..  And required no thought.  All robin had to know what key the song was in, and just shred...  Where as Slash put together one of the most iconic solo's ever recorded.

That's kind of funny seeing as Robin doesn't ever shred, that's a term used for Rons or Buckets playing, not Robins. Anyway, why are you bringing Robin into it, is he apart of the current GN'R who are playing Estranged live?. No, we are talking about a re-recorded Estranged from the current GN'R, who are Ron, Richard and DJ.

And I would still love to hear it, and why are you presuming it will consist of shredding over Izzys chords, have you listened to Estranged from the current tour live by GN'R?. It is played to perfection and there is no shredding over chords, and there is no one badly trying to cover Slash. In my view the current GN'R play Estranged live, much better than the band of 91-93 ever did.  :D


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: new gnr fan on November 20, 2011, 02:34:10 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o

U can't be serious

Yes.....totally serious.  :)

Wow, just wow....  Sloppy shredding over the chord progression created by Izzy while trying to cop Slash's solo is just a cheap cover..  And required no thought.  All robin had to know what key the song was in, and just shred...  Where as Slash put together one of the most iconic solo's ever recorded.

That's kind of funny seeing as Robin doesn't ever shred, that's a term used for Rons or Buckets playing, not Robins. Anyway, why are you bringing Robin into it, is he apart of the current GN'R who are playing Estranged live?. No, we are talking about a re-recorded Estranged from the current GN'R, who are Ron, Richard and DJ.

And I would still love to hear it, and why are you presuming it will consist of shredding over Izzys chords, have you listened to Estranged from the current tour live by GN'R?. It is played to perfection and there is no shredding over chords, and there is no one badly trying to cover Slash. In my view the current GN'R play Estranged live, much better than the band of 91-93 ever did.  :D

Maybe they could an live recording as a B-Side for a new Single. Maybe they could release a song from Chi Dem (or a new song  :yes:), you know what i mean, and than track 2 is estranged (live 2011)


Title: Re: Estranged Studio Version by 2011 Line Up - How Cool Would This Be?
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 20, 2011, 08:23:48 PM
I think it would definitely a cool thing to hear, and why not. As long as it don't take anything away from GN'R concentrating on new material, if it's something that everybody was up for, and it could be done in a few weeks using various takes, then whats the harm.

I'm also one of those who would kill to hear the re-recorded appetite from the Nu GN'R. And I agree that what we've heard of Sweet Child from Big Daddy, is definitely better than the original in terms of guitar work (Robin rocks).  8)

I think this band is on fire at the moment, so why not use them to their best abilities. I think this band would more than do justice to the UYI 2 version of this song. But I also agree that at this point newer material should be higher on the agenda, but again in saying that, all of the songs that will feature on CD 2 might have already been written 3-5 years ago.  :o

U can't be serious

Yes.....totally serious.  :)

Wow, just wow....  Sloppy shredding over the chord progression created by Izzy while trying to cop Slash's solo is just a cheap cover..  And required no thought.  All robin had to know what key the song was in, and just shred...  Where as Slash put together one of the most iconic solo's ever recorded.

That's kind of funny seeing as Robin doesn't ever shred, that's a term used for Rons or Buckets playing, not Robins. Anyway, why are you bringing Robin into it, is he apart of the current GN'R who are playing Estranged live?. No, we are talking about a re-recorded Estranged from the current GN'R, who are Ron, Richard and DJ.

And I would still love to hear it, and why are you presuming it will consist of shredding over Izzys chords, have you listened to Estranged from the current tour live by GN'R?. It is played to perfection and there is no shredding over chords, and there is no one badly trying to cover Slash. In my view the current GN'R play Estranged live, much better than the band of 91-93 ever did.  :D

Maybe they could an live recording as a B-Side for a new Single. Maybe they could release a song from Chi Dem (or a new song  :yes:), you know what i mean, and than track 2 is estranged (live 2011)

That is actually a reasonable way for this to be released, if it was ever to happen. Something that the hardcore fans could listen to and appreciate, after they listen to GN'R's new single or release. I think it would be a good way to reward the loyal fans, and at the same time intrugue new fans into thinking "oh, the Nu GN'R have re-recorded Estranged, I'll check it out and see how they did".  :)

And we all know that the current band rock the hell outta Estranged, so then the casual fan will be blown away by the talent and skill level of Guns N' Roses today... then this will hopefully lead to them checking out more material.  : ok: