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Title: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: FunkyMonkey on October 07, 2011, 03:06:12 PM Duff was recently interviewed on The Opie & Anthony Show. They try pretty hard to get him to say something negative, but he doesn't. He's a few things he talks about....
Opie & Anthony: Duff McKagan in Studio 10-05-2011 Duff: I came away from writing this book of how much I loved that band [Guns N' Roses] and loved the brothership and fellowship of that band. It's a unique experience what the five of us went through. They ask him about signing the "papers" and he says it was not Axl, but rather they were presented to them. He says at the time there was a big disconnect between management and the band. He thinks they really believed that Duff and Slash were going to die. Duff: Writing this book made me really appreciate the bands and the friends and Slash and Axl and Izzy and Steven and Matt and Dave Kushner and Weiland and all these guys that I've gone through this journey and my band Loaded -- all these great players and guys I've traveled the world with and learned a lot from -- and God dammit created some great music too, amazing chemistries. Audio here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJmpQoq5oPc Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Jbat81 on October 07, 2011, 03:37:40 PM nice interview. Thanx!
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 07, 2011, 04:46:09 PM Duff was recently interviewed on The Opie & Anthony Show. They try pretty hard to get him to say something negative, but he doesn't. He's a few things he talks about.... Opie & Anthony: Duff McKagan in Studio 10-05-2011 Duff: I came away from writing this book of how much I loved that band [Guns N' Roses] and loved the brothership and fellowship of that band. It's a unique experience what the five of us went through. They ask him about signing the "papers" and he says it was not Axl, but rather they were presented to them. He says at the time there was a big disconnect between management and the band. He thinks they really believed that Duff and Slash were going to die. Duff: Writing this book made me really appreciate the bands and the friends and Slash and Axl and Izzy and Steven and Matt and Dave Kushner and Weiland and all these guys that I've gone through this journey and my band Loaded -- all these great players and guys I've traveled the world with and learned a lot from -- and God dammit created some great music too, amazing chemistries. Audio here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJmpQoq5oPc FunkyMonkey, would you mind clarifying? By papers, does that mean the contract that gave Axl the rights to the band name if the partnership dissolved? If so, I think that may be the first time he commented on that publicly. Did he mention anything about the alleged backstage-before-a-show-blackmail issue? Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: LunsJail on October 07, 2011, 05:48:03 PM Duff was recently interviewed on The Opie & Anthony Show. They try pretty hard to get him to say something negative, but he doesn't. He's a few things he talks about.... Opie & Anthony: Duff McKagan in Studio 10-05-2011 Duff: I came away from writing this book of how much I loved that band [Guns N' Roses] and loved the brothership and fellowship of that band. It's a unique experience what the five of us went through. They ask him about signing the "papers" and he says it was not Axl, but rather they were presented to them. He says at the time there was a big disconnect between management and the band. He thinks they really believed that Duff and Slash were going to die. Duff: Writing this book made me really appreciate the bands and the friends and Slash and Axl and Izzy and Steven and Matt and Dave Kushner and Weiland and all these guys that I've gone through this journey and my band Loaded -- all these great players and guys I've traveled the world with and learned a lot from -- and God dammit created some great music too, amazing chemistries. Audio here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJmpQoq5oPc FunkyMonkey, would you mind clarifying? By papers, does that mean the contract that gave Axl the rights to the band name if the partnership dissolved? If so, I think that may be the first time he commented on that publicly. Did he mention anything about the alleged backstage-before-a-show-blackmail issue? Ali He said the papers didn't dissolve the partnership or end his equity stake in the band. They just gave Axl the right to use the name Guns N' Roses in the future. He was also very careful to clarify that the papers were presented to him by management and not Axl. He says it was management who "implied" that Axl might not take the stage if they didn't sign. He puts it all on management. But who are we kidding? Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: LunsJail on October 07, 2011, 05:56:22 PM Also, everyone should check out the book. It's a good read (and actually written by Duff and not a ghost writer). There's a good bit about the ineptitude of GNR's management at the time without ever mentioning Doug Goldstein by name of course.
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 07, 2011, 06:34:33 PM Duff was recently interviewed on The Opie & Anthony Show. They try pretty hard to get him to say something negative, but he doesn't. He's a few things he talks about.... Opie & Anthony: Duff McKagan in Studio 10-05-2011 Duff: I came away from writing this book of how much I loved that band [Guns N' Roses] and loved the brothership and fellowship of that band. It's a unique experience what the five of us went through. They ask him about signing the "papers" and he says it was not Axl, but rather they were presented to them. He says at the time there was a big disconnect between management and the band. He thinks they really believed that Duff and Slash were going to die. Duff: Writing this book made me really appreciate the bands and the friends and Slash and Axl and Izzy and Steven and Matt and Dave Kushner and Weiland and all these guys that I've gone through this journey and my band Loaded -- all these great players and guys I've traveled the world with and learned a lot from -- and God dammit created some great music too, amazing chemistries. Audio here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJmpQoq5oPc FunkyMonkey, would you mind clarifying? By papers, does that mean the contract that gave Axl the rights to the band name if the partnership dissolved? If so, I think that may be the first time he commented on that publicly. Did he mention anything about the alleged backstage-before-a-show-blackmail issue? Ali He said the papers didn't dissolve the partnership or end his equity stake in the band. They just gave Axl the right to use the name Guns N' Roses in the future. He was also very careful to clarify that the papers were presented to him by management and not Axl. He says it was management who "implied" that Axl might not take the stage if they didn't sign. He puts it all on management. But who are we kidding? Big distinction. Slash went on record saying Axl handed them the papers personally. Slash and Duff's stories are different. Slash: ''Before a gig one night in '92, [Axl] hands us a contract saying that if the band breaks up, he's taking the name,'' says Slash. ''Unfortunately, we signed it. I didn't think he'd go on stage otherwise.'' Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Fingers on October 07, 2011, 07:44:10 PM Wow-they should have had a lawyer look at it in any case, but the state of mind those 2 were in, God knows what else they signed.
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: JDA on October 07, 2011, 10:09:20 PM He really is a class act.
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: LunsJail on October 08, 2011, 10:47:55 AM Big distinction. Slash went on record saying Axl handed them the papers personally. Slash and Duff's stories are different. Slash: ''Before a gig one night in '92, [Axl] hands us a contract saying that if the band breaks up, he's taking the name,'' says Slash. ''Unfortunately, we signed it. I didn't think he'd go on stage otherwise.'' Ali I'm not sure how literal Slash was being with that. Anything being "handed" to them from Axl was going through management at this point. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: sleeper on October 08, 2011, 11:32:32 AM Big distinction. Slash went on record saying Axl handed them the papers personally. Slash and Duff's stories are different. Slash: ''Before a gig one night in '92, [Axl] hands us a contract saying that if the band breaks up, he's taking the name,'' says Slash. ''Unfortunately, we signed it. I didn't think he'd go on stage otherwise.'' Ali I'm not sure how literal Slash was being with that. Anything being "handed" to them from Axl was going through management at this point. Agreed why split hairs at this point. The fact is it went down Duff is just the latest to confirm it. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: FunkyMonkey on October 08, 2011, 11:58:40 AM FunkyMonkey, would you mind clarifying? By papers, does that mean the contract that gave Axl the rights to the band name if the partnership dissolved? I haven't read his book yet, but this is what he says in the interview (@10:55). Opie & Anthony: Did he [Axl] really come to you and Slash and wanted you to sign paper before you went on stage. Duff McKagan: No no no. I hope that part of the book is clear. In that part of our group, I don't think there was any connection between management and the band and all of that stuff. I do think people thought Slash and I were going to die. I think there were some safe guards...the point I was trying to make was our band had gotten so out of our control. The papers were presented to us [by management]. Opie & Anthony: Do you think it was more of a management thing than from him [Axl] personally? Duff McKagan: To this day I don't really know. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: sleeper on October 08, 2011, 12:15:40 PM I have the book it starts on page 221, I have no way of posting the pages. In short and this is not exact quotes form the book. But I will do my best.
The band was on the last leg of the tour in 93. They arrived in Barcelona Doug Goldstein sent Duff and Slash a request to meet with them. Duff said that this was an unusual thing to have happen. When he and Slash arrived there was one of the tour managers waiting for them. He presented the papers to them. They did not want to sign them the tour manger said they were not in good shape and could die. Then said if that happened that there would be legal problems with their families. Duff said that is not what was in the papers. He said the crowd was getting rowdy in the arena and then the guy implied Axl would not go on stage unless they signed. Duff said he pictured another riot so he signed. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: sleeper on October 08, 2011, 02:03:31 PM I have the book it starts on page 221, I have no way of posting the pages. In short and this is not exact quotes form the book. But I will do my best. The band was on the last leg of the tour in 93. They arrived in Barcelona Doug Goldstein sent Duff and Slash a request to meet with them. Duff said that this was an unusual thing to have happen. When he and Slash arrived there was one of the tour managers waiting for them. He presented the papers to them. They did not want to sign them the tour manger said they were not in good shape and could die. Then said if that happened that there would be legal problems with their families. Duff said that is not what was in the papers. He said the crowd was getting rowdy in the arena and then the guy implied Axl would not go on stage unless they signed. Duff said he pictured another riot so he signed. Thanks to Classicrawker from another site http://i53.tinypic.com/ih5b1g.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/15etljl.jpg Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 08, 2011, 06:38:55 PM Big distinction. Slash went on record saying Axl handed them the papers personally. Slash and Duff's stories are different. Slash: ''Before a gig one night in '92, [Axl] hands us a contract saying that if the band breaks up, he's taking the name,'' says Slash. ''Unfortunately, we signed it. I didn't think he'd go on stage otherwise.'' Ali I'm not sure how literal Slash was being with that. Anything being "handed" to them from Axl was going through management at this point. Agreed why split hairs at this point. The fact is it went down Duff is just the latest to confirm it. Give me a break. There is a huge difference between someone making a direct threat to not go on stage and a third party implying that person may not go on stage, or implying they think he wouldn't go on stage. No one is disputing the ultimate outcome. The issue of blackmail is the one in dispute amongst the members. It looks like everyone has a different story. Duff's timeline is even different than Slash's. Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: D on October 09, 2011, 01:16:56 AM Damn, thats fucked up
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Street of the Blues on October 09, 2011, 07:44:18 AM who was the manager at the time these contracts were drawn-up? Alan Niven or Doug Goldstein?
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: FunkyMonkey on October 09, 2011, 01:12:21 PM who was the manager at the time these contracts were drawn-up? Alan Niven or Doug Goldstein? I think someone posted it was Doug Goldstein. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Trist805 on October 09, 2011, 03:56:37 PM Thanks. That was a really cool interview. They really liked the book and got along with Duff well. They can sometimes be really mean,so I'm glad it worked out.
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: m_rated96 on October 09, 2011, 11:52:41 PM Big distinction. Slash went on record saying Axl handed them the papers personally. Slash and Duff's stories are different. Slash: ''Before a gig one night in '92, [Axl] hands us a contract saying that if the band breaks up, he's taking the name,'' says Slash. ''Unfortunately, we signed it. I didn't think he'd go on stage otherwise.'' Ali I'm not sure how literal Slash was being with that. Anything being "handed" to them from Axl was going through management at this point. Agreed why split hairs at this point. The fact is it went down Duff is just the latest to confirm it. Give me a break. There is a huge difference between someone making a direct threat to not go on stage and a third party implying that person may not go on stage, or implying they think he wouldn't go on stage. No one is disputing the ultimate outcome. The issue of blackmail is the one in dispute amongst the members. It looks like everyone has a different story. Duff's timeline is even different than Slash's. Ali i don't think its that HUGE a difference in this case. the implication wouldn't have had any real force if Axl hadn't not gone on stage 1000 times in the past. They were papers clearly for Axl's benefit so he obv. knew (and has admitted to knowing) what was in them. Yeah it would have been a worse if he literally presented it to them, but still he's pretty much culpable for, if not truly blackmailing, then pretty much blackmailing. I don't think any stories are different, i think Slash just sees it as one and the same - Axl just sending his minions - and duff is the one making the differentiation saying "well look axl didn't physically present it, just shows you that management were fucking with him so give the guy a break" - but they agree on what actually happened - management presented it. Slash just hasn't said as much, probably cos' he's not going to make excuses for a guy who in the end was fucking him over either way. If anyone ever interviews him on this board, ask him "did axl physically hand it to you, or was it sent by management". I guarantee he will agree with duff. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 01:54:39 AM The stories are different because the timelines are different. If thing nothing else.
It's not blackmail if there is no threat. The truth is this: Duff doesn't have any direct proof that Axl ever made a direct threat. Hence, no claim of blackmail can be made. I think the most likely scenario is that the management agent thought for some reason that Axl wouldn't go on stage if the papers weren't signed, or thought that implying that would help get the papers signed. There is nothing in Duff's version of events that contradicts Axl's claims that he never made any threat. Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: D on October 10, 2011, 02:15:15 AM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died.
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: jacdaniel on October 10, 2011, 04:08:06 AM The whole blackmail thing is irrelevant.
The point is, they received these papers that they didnt want to sign right before a show. Seems messed up to me. Slash and Duff have both made it clear that they didnt like Doug and he is one of the biggest reasons that version of the band broke up. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: AxlReznor on October 10, 2011, 05:08:26 AM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: LunsJail on October 10, 2011, 10:06:19 AM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Limulus on October 10, 2011, 10:23:09 AM from Axl's online postings:
"When Guns renegotiated our contract with Geffen I had the bit about the name added in as protection for myself as I had come up with the name and then originally started the band with it. It had more to do with management than the band as our then manager was always tryin? to convince someone they should fire me. As I had stopped speaking with him he sensed his days were numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our renegotiation out for a personal payday from Geffen. It was added to the contract and everyone signed off on it. It wasn?t hidden in fine print etc as you had to initial the section verifying you had acknowledged it. Now at that time I didn?t know or think about brand names or corporate value etc. All I knew is that I came in with the name and from day one everyone had agreed to it being mine should we break up and now it was in writing." "The details are that my attorney shit when I made the move. He was very against it fearing long litigation but even then no one talked about brand names or individual interests in a brand name. I look back and have no idea why. Not my people, not his people, no one. No one pressured me, everyone was afraid and no one including myself wanted to break up Guns or the relationship." Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: LunsJail on October 10, 2011, 12:21:22 PM ^^That's totally different from what Duff says in the book. He says they signed these papers around June 1993. Guns renegotiated their contract just prior to the UYI releases.
Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 12:59:02 PM ^^That's totally different from what Duff says in the book. He says they signed these papers around June 1993. Guns renegotiated their contract just prior to the UYI releases. See, I don't think so. Axl never specifies a time period when the contracts were actually signed. He says it was brought up during the contract renegotiation with Geffen. He never actually says when the contract was signed. He says it was a component of the Geffen contract renegotiation. Alan Niven supports that actually. http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5840 ?What I find interesting is that after I was fired, by his own admission, Axl took the band name as part of the Geffen renegotiation. " Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: LunsJail on October 10, 2011, 01:16:22 PM ^^That's totally different from what Duff says in the book. He says they signed these papers around June 1993. Guns renegotiated their contract just prior to the UYI releases. See, I don't think so. Axl never specifies a time period when the contracts were actually signed. He says it was brought up during the contract renegotiation with Geffen. He never actually says when the contract was signed. He says it was a component of the Geffen contract renegotiation. Alan Niven supports that actually. http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5840 ?What I find interesting is that after I was fired, by his own admission, Axl took the band name as part of the Geffen renegotiation. " Ali Ok, that could be. But Duff doesn't act like he had heard anything about this until he was actually asked to sign. But it's possible Duff doesn't remember some details from this time period :hihi: Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 01:30:21 PM ^^That's totally different from what Duff says in the book. He says they signed these papers around June 1993. Guns renegotiated their contract just prior to the UYI releases. See, I don't think so. Axl never specifies a time period when the contracts were actually signed. He says it was brought up during the contract renegotiation with Geffen. He never actually says when the contract was signed. He says it was a component of the Geffen contract renegotiation. Alan Niven supports that actually. http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5840 ?What I find interesting is that after I was fired, by his own admission, Axl took the band name as part of the Geffen renegotiation. " Ali Ok, that could be. But Duff doesn't act like he had heard anything about this until he was actually asked to sign. But it's possible Duff doesn't remember some details from this time period :hihi: I don't think Duff is lying about when he actually signed the papers. I just think what Axl is talking about is when the issue was brought up from his side. Duff is saying when it was actually signed. I don't think they are or have to be the same time. Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: sleeper on October 10, 2011, 03:27:16 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: : ok: That will be the spin from some people. Or here is a better one Duff said the papers were given to he and Slash by an assistant tour manager. Just maybe the assistant tour manager is the culprit! ;) Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 04:46:55 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: : ok: That will be the spin from some people. Or here is a better one Duff said the papers were given to he and Slash by an assistant tour manager. Just maybe the assistant tour manager is the culprit! ;) I don't see anyone disputing that Axl asked for the name or that the paperwork was finally given to Duff and Slash before a show. Not even Axl has disputed that. The only thing in dispute is whether or not Axl made a threat to not go on stage if the paperwork wasn't signed. Duff's story doesn't refute Axl's claim that he never made such a threat. Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: sleeper on October 10, 2011, 05:05:59 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: : ok: That will be the spin from some people. Or here is a better one Duff said the papers were given to he and Slash by an assistant tour manager. Just maybe the assistant tour manager is the culprit! ;) I don't see anyone disputing that Axl asked for the name or that the paperwork was finally given to Duff and Slash before a show. Not even Axl has disputed that. The only thing in dispute is whether or not Axl made a threat to not go on stage if the paperwork wasn't signed. Duff's story doesn't refute Axl's claim that he never made such a threat. Ali The assistant tour manager that Doug Goldstein sent implied Axl would not go on stage if the document was not signed. Like I said maybe he was the culprit. After all surely he had a lot to gain from taking the name from Slash and Duff. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 05:14:42 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: : ok: That will be the spin from some people. Or here is a better one Duff said the papers were given to he and Slash by an assistant tour manager. Just maybe the assistant tour manager is the culprit! ;) I don't see anyone disputing that Axl asked for the name or that the paperwork was finally given to Duff and Slash before a show. Not even Axl has disputed that. The only thing in dispute is whether or not Axl made a threat to not go on stage if the paperwork wasn't signed. Duff's story doesn't refute Axl's claim that he never made such a threat. Ali The assistant tour manager that Doug Goldstein sent implied Axl would not go on stage if the document was not signed. Like I said maybe he was the culprit. After all surely he had a lot to gain from taking the name from Slash and Duff. What an idiotic comment. ::) Maybe this person thought for whatever reason that Axl was upset and would not go on stage if he didn't get everything he wanted, including getting this contract signed. Maybe Axl said "I'd like to get this done with before the show tonight" and this was taken to mean "Axl may not go on stage without this being signed". Maybe Doug Goldstein was so interested in getting on Axl's good side that he told this tour manager that Axl wouldn't go on stage without it being signed. You can make all the snide, idiotic comments you want, but the fact remains that none of what Duff says refutes what Axl said on the matter. Hell, even one of Slash's oldest buddies (Marc Canter) believes that Axl is telling the truth on this. Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: sleeper on October 10, 2011, 05:31:49 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: : ok: That will be the spin from some people. Or here is a better one Duff said the papers were given to he and Slash by an assistant tour manager. Just maybe the assistant tour manager is the culprit! ;) I don't see anyone disputing that Axl asked for the name or that the paperwork was finally given to Duff and Slash before a show. Not even Axl has disputed that. The only thing in dispute is whether or not Axl made a threat to not go on stage if the paperwork wasn't signed. Duff's story doesn't refute Axl's claim that he never made such a threat. Ali The assistant tour manager that Doug Goldstein sent implied Axl would not go on stage if the document was not signed. Like I said maybe he was the culprit. After all surely he had a lot to gain from taking the name from Slash and Duff. What an idiotic comment. ::) Maybe this person thought for whatever reason that Axl was upset and would not go on stage if he didn't get everything he wanted, including getting this contract signed. Maybe Axl said "I'd like to get this done with before the show tonight" and this was taken to mean "Axl may not go on stage without this being signed". Maybe Doug Goldstein was so interested in getting on Axl's good side that he told this tour manager that Axl wouldn't go on stage without it being signed. You can make all the snide, idiotic comments you want, but the fact remains that none of what Duff says refutes what Axl said on the matter. Hell, even one of Slash's oldest buddies (Marc Canter) believes that Axl is telling the truth on this. Ali I'm not so sure what you are so bothered about. If you think my comments are idiotic then don't bother answering them. That is not the story Marc is telling now BTW. He now sees both sides of the issue. And your thoughts on what could have went down with the assistant tour manager or Doug Goldstein are no more valid than mine! Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: FunkyMonkey on October 10, 2011, 05:36:47 PM Opie & Anthony: Do you think it was more of a management thing than from him [Axl] personally? Duff McKagan: To this day I don't really know. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 06:07:29 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: : ok: That will be the spin from some people. Or here is a better one Duff said the papers were given to he and Slash by an assistant tour manager. Just maybe the assistant tour manager is the culprit! ;) I don't see anyone disputing that Axl asked for the name or that the paperwork was finally given to Duff and Slash before a show. Not even Axl has disputed that. The only thing in dispute is whether or not Axl made a threat to not go on stage if the paperwork wasn't signed. Duff's story doesn't refute Axl's claim that he never made such a threat. Ali The assistant tour manager that Doug Goldstein sent implied Axl would not go on stage if the document was not signed. Like I said maybe he was the culprit. After all surely he had a lot to gain from taking the name from Slash and Duff. What an idiotic comment. ::) Maybe this person thought for whatever reason that Axl was upset and would not go on stage if he didn't get everything he wanted, including getting this contract signed. Maybe Axl said "I'd like to get this done with before the show tonight" and this was taken to mean "Axl may not go on stage without this being signed". Maybe Doug Goldstein was so interested in getting on Axl's good side that he told this tour manager that Axl wouldn't go on stage without it being signed. You can make all the snide, idiotic comments you want, but the fact remains that none of what Duff says refutes what Axl said on the matter. Hell, even one of Slash's oldest buddies (Marc Canter) believes that Axl is telling the truth on this. Ali I'm not so sure what you are so bothered about. If you think my comments are idiotic then don't bother answering them. That is not the story Marc is telling now BTW. He now sees both sides of the issue. And your thoughts on what could have went down with the assistant tour manager or Doug Goldstein are no more valid than mine! What? When did I ever say my thoughts were more valid? And, yeah, I thought that little snide remark is idiotic since not even Duff is claiming that Axl threatened them to not go on stage. Marc said he thinks everyone is telling the truth. That's what he said. In other words, he doesn't think Axl is lying or Duff is lying. Hence, what I said about him believing Axl is telling the truth is accurate. Ali Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: AxlReznor on October 10, 2011, 06:11:51 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: Yes. Because of the (very good) reasons given there, he thought he'd be better off himself if Axl owned the name. He'd have had a lot of trouble on his hands personally if the very real fears came true that one/both of them ended up dead, and there was trouble from family members trying to get rights to the name. It's perfectly sensible for the one of them who wasn't in danger of killing himself to have the rights to the name, and it's also a headache that any manager would want to avoid for themselves, too. It's well known that Doug was in it for himself and only himself. Even if it was with Axl's blessing, the "implication" that Axl wouldn't go onstage if they weren't signed seems more like a lie that Doug told them to ensure cooperation. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: D on October 10, 2011, 06:35:11 PM Here is how I look at it:
Does it seem somewhat shady how the whole thing went down? Sure BUT They had a choice. Just don't sign. If there is a riot, Axl will be the one taking the blame anyway. Title: Re: Duff McKagan On The Opie & Anthony Show; 30 Minute Audio Interview Post by: Ali on October 10, 2011, 06:38:30 PM In all honesty, wasn't a bad idea to have protection in case one of them died. I think so, too. And it seems to me like Duff could see their point there also. Regardless, though... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the only time that management did something "on Axl's behalf" without Axl having a fucking clue about it happening. Doug Goldstein seemed to give everybody in the band only half of the story at that time... whichever half would keep them happiest. So Doug Goldstein acted on his own and decided Axl should own the name "Guns N' Roses"? Come on now :no: Yes. Because of the (very good) reasons given there, he thought he'd be better off himself if Axl owned the name. He'd have had a lot of trouble on his hands personally if the very real fears came true that one/both of them ended up dead, and there was trouble from family members trying to get rights to the name. It's perfectly sensible for the one of them who wasn't in danger of killing himself to have the rights to the name, and it's also a headache that any manager would want to avoid for themselves, too. It's well known that Doug was in it for himself and only himself. Even if it was with Axl's blessing, the "implication" that Axl wouldn't go onstage if they weren't signed seems more like a lie that Doug told them to ensure cooperation. Yeah, no matter what anyone says, the 15-18% or whatever Goldstein was making from GN'R would be a lot more with the GN'R name attached as opposed to just "Axl Rose" or some other band name. So, yes, it would be in Goldstein's financial interest to be able to manage Guns N' Roses with no obstacle. Ali |