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Giev!

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Firstly: Being from Norway you most likely won't even be at the shows.
Secondly: Fuck your "demands". :P

so? you are only allowed to talk about a show when you're goin to attend it? for now it seems there will be a youtube-broadcast of the show worldwide...

No, but demanding songs be played (which is a stupid idea anyway) is even stupider when it's at shows you won't even be at. Youtube broadcasts hardly count as being there.

I want OH MY GOD damn it!  >:(

one of my favourite GnR rockers , criminally underated

if i could get a wish through.....i'd rather have Coma, Perfect Crime, Right Next Door To Hell, Garden Of Eden, Double Talkin' Jive, Locomotive, Rhiad, or My World played actually....

100% Agreed! The song is bad ass. I wont go as far as demanding it,  :hihi: but would love for Axl to sneak it in there.

If you look at the history of them playing at Rio, they tend to do something that they havent done before.  I know OMG has been played live before at Rio..But wouldnt be suprised if we get something special. I wont be let down if we dont but wouldnt be suprised if we do..

 

Yeah, bring it on!

It's a bit amusing to see fans demand things for shows they're not planning on attending.

It's like me demanding you eat cabbage for breakfast....


It's nice that people care though. But to demand songs, especially when you're not attending is a bit.... Amusing.




/jarmo

i wouldnt be amusing to see the same setlist again though  ;)

really?

Why would you care?

estranged, some new songs, oh my god... what else?  :hihi:

I don't mind.

It's my favorite band playing songs I love.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhSa1_Cmu0

That's what it's about.





/jarmo

We Demand To GN'R Whit PITBULL

 :beer:

YES!!!!


And also give me a Ferrari.

because i probably can see the show (Proshot) on youtube myself, a worldwide broadcast!
and being a huge fan of live music/shows i do judge bands about their live performances, part of it being their setlists.
i'm not goin to shows from bands multiple times anymore when they do the same thing over and over again.
everyone to its own and not demanding anything...but i would be highly disappointed not to get any serious setlist change. for example Civil War, Estranged, Perfect Crime have been considered to be played live before but didnt made it live yet (newer line-ups), and if you really think about you all would LOVE to have some changes aswell. i'm not doing or believing the blind-following weak "i dont care about, as long as they play live"-issue. and the quoted Axl rant was about their stable 2006 setlists, we have an upcoming 2011(!) Axl comeback now, Jarmo, this is some different  :-*

It's not different. The same people who have been whining are still doing it.

Same old, same old.


"I'm gonna be watching it at home on a bootleg so I demand they play this and that".

What about the fans who are paying to see the show?





/jarmo

Hmm, I don't think I've ever seen that before, but it's great! I have a huge list of GNR songs I'd love to hear but I don't think I'd ever catch myself "demanding" anything of the band.

It's one thing to have a favorite song that you'd love to see performed live. Wishing to hear/see it be performed live. Possibly at the show you're attending.


It's something else to demand songs to be played live based on the fact that you'll watch the bootleg.





/jarmo

What gives you the mandate to demand anything (particularly as GN?R are touring)?

They will be pleased regardless of these so called ?demands? being fulfilled or not. :)

Not to mention that the setlists on the last tour featured a lot of songs that had never been played before, as well as a few surprises.

If you go to see multiple shows and it's the exact same set every night, you'd have at least some right to complain (not a right to demand changes, though)... but it just doesn't make sense complaining about the sets in shows you're not at. So you've seen it before... so what? Most of the people who are actually at the show haven't!

Most bands have setlists for a reason, it is to give the same quality show to every fan every night.  They can't take into account people who are going to go to multiple shows.  For example say GNR took "Jungle" out of the setlist one night to play "Perfect Crime."  Sure the fans who go to 10 shows are going to be stoked about that, but what about the fan who cant afford to go to a bunch of shows?  What if that were the first GNR show a kid ever saw, and they didn't play "Jungle", that would suck for them.  The goal is to give the audience the same quality show every night. 

I saw Avenged Sevenfold 10 times on their "Nightmare" touring cycle over the past year, on 4 different legs.  On each leg it is the exact same show, same song order, same everything, and for the most part all the shows on all the legs were extremely similar.  Did I bitch?  No, I am one of the ones who feel very fortunate  to go see one of my favorite bands of all time play live that many times, and since I love almost every song by them, why would I complain about hearing them over and over?  I am actually going to another show in CT on 9/11, thats how sick of seeing the same show I am.

On the current Rockstar Uproar tour that they are headlining  they have allowed fans to choose their setlist every night by voting for the songs on Facebook, which was great, as they played some songs I havent heard them play live in almost 10 years as well as their staples from every other show.  That is a cool route that I'm sure all of us would love GNR to go in, but that is the bands call, it certainly isn't something we should be demanding, I'm happy enough that it looks like I will get to see them in the U.S this year.  I would love to hear songs off of "CD" that I have never heard but it's been 5 years, they can just get onstage and play "Jungle" 20 times straight and I'll be more than satistfied!

so an official (Proshot) youtube-broadcast with soundboard audio, signed by bands/management, from Rio is a "bootleg"?  :hihi:
doesnt change anything, people can judge a band from a live broadcast, bootleg, being there. its just different takes, i did that with Rock Am Ring myself for example....turned out i had different thoughts on about what songs worked great live there, f.e. i didnt realize "Nightrain" being that killer when hearing/seeing it live but the tv broadcast proved me wrong; i've thought "SCOM" was sung well by Axl...but that turned out being not true at all.
the excitement part of being @ a live show often can be misleading in this.

i disagree with you, Bodhi, the "exact" same setlists every night is hell boring to me and IMO for the band aswell. there are wayyy more stable setlist-bands than Axl & Co, i just dont like such a thing in this age. more unpredictable setlists are prefered for many of the multiple show-goers...and for such a "dangerous" band its more like a must IMO.

Jungle 20 times in a row? now that would be cool as hell! i'd even welcome it if they'd open a show with Dont Cry!!
changes are refreshing for fans and the band members, doing that is a win-win situation in my eyes.

You go to 20 GNR shows in a row?

So...if I DEMAND (whoa...what a funny word for a fan asking for songs to his favourite band) songs for La Plata or Rosario I'm ok? I mean...I'm attending those shows  :hihi:

Never been a huge fan of this song, but what ever.  I remember picking up the cd and being really excited to hear my first new GN'R song, in 8 yrs, and then being like, WTF was that? It's ok, but not something I would want GN'R to do again.

That's good stuff.  I really would like to sit and have some drinks with him and BS for an entire night. 

Usually bands allow their shows to be broadcast.

If you make a recording of it, you have a bootleg.

There's a difference in sharing the experience with people who can't be present in Rio de Janeiro, and performing for he people who aren't present.



No. You judge a live show by being there.

That's the whole point.

If you enjoyed something, it was your natural reaction. Not based on some TV production. Camera angles etc.

Why do you think concert reviews are actually based on the writer being at the show (hopefully) instead of watching clips on Youtube?








/jarmo

I guess Ron said on one of those streamings with Poc that he never rehearsed Oh My God. I think it's pretty much safe to say the song, as good as it is IMHO, won't be played again anytime soon.

 :smoking: :smoking: Srsly like Axlroseven now, dig? :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:


I'll be watching! Aaand...it's also on befalf of those attending. ;)

 It's a good song, an important song for many fans and musiclovers in general and many wants it.

When they go out I think it might be too late to ask, cause they need to rehearse it.


Well he gave us the princsessyndorome!

But  mkay, it's humoristic... I'd wished they play it...and many feels the same. :peace:

He'd really nail it...he sings it low and end it on high notes. If we gonna hear it live again...

And it's just SO fucking heavy oO


Why can't he play with the satanbeard again!! >:(

har har... :hihi:

Seriously, I'm joking but begging...I'd sacrifice a goat for this. Many would go insane for this special moment in history. Don't put words into his mouth tho, he CCL about bitching (some people are expecting a revolution :P) and the flamewar-press, not necesarily people anticipating updates and uploads from the other side of the world to see our...god! He's not human! :-X


I'm Todd, the intern...sekrat! ;D Get a sense of humor :yes:

The rehearsal doesn't start until next week though..

They might be adding songs to the setlist which they've never played or rehearsed before  :)

Come on, demanding things from Uncle Axl is not the way to get what you want!

Question is, how do we get what we want?!

Find your nearest Burger King.

 ;)


/jarmo

Extra fries for me plz!

Sorry norway but Axl ONLY plays songs I demand!!!

Case in Point:  November 2009, I posted for GNR to play a Sly & The Family Stone song.  January 2010, GNR played a Sly & The Family Stone song in Ottawa!!!

THE GYPSY'S THE BOSS OF GNR!!!!*


*okay so the thread I posted suggesting they play a S&TFS song had absolutely NOTHING to do with demanding or even requesting a certain song be played.  And I'm sure it was purely coincidental that a S&TFS song was played.  And the song that was played was NOT one of the ones I suggested.  And I believe it was played as part of one of those piano moving jams and Axl wasn't even on stage at the time.  And not only was I NOT at this Ottawa show but I'm not even really sure exactly where Ottawa is.

''Oh My God'' is in my all time top-5 Guns N' Roses songs. What a killer tune. I'd love to see the band playing it again. Same for Riad.

I'd rather hear "Coma" but then I'll be a "Downloading mutherfucker" tuning in from here in Blighty.... :smoking:

To be fair, the country of Norway demand peculiar choices given their Eurovision points year after year  ;)  :hihi:.

If we are to vote on a new song being played live, I would go for Estranged or Coma. JMO though.

I think Norway has been the only country that, pridefully, gotten a clean zero in MGP, that takes skill. :hihi:

I crossed the border in '10 to Hamilton, cause it was imminent a US tour was not in the plans @ that time...

I would be fucking THRILLED to get that same show again.. I listen to all of those songs on my ipod daily, why would i be disappointed to hear them live? Anything added would be purely a bonus.. I just don't get setlist criers sometimes

shit while we are demanding.. lets throw in Estranged, new songs and Axl bringing back the catcher's vest.

YES!!!!!!!!!!

the point here was that an "allowed" Proshot tv broadcast is mostly high quality and no bootleg, other as you seemed to believe in your post, other than an audience recording would be. and "bootleg" is a word with a negative touch on it as its often based on $$$ because of sellers. a better description would be an unofficial recording (AUD or PRO/SBD) because there are many tapers taping and releasing it for free.


the difference aint present on the broadcast/stream, Jarmo, all people can see and hear the same and experience the same thing, just throgh an different medium than being there.


so you never "judged" Ritz88, Paris92, Rio2001?  :hihi:
eh, no secret that people can judge shows from different perspectives (exspecially these days), they'll always do. if people listen to official soundboard FLACs from Metallica of a show they can judge it, even if they didnt attend it. you sound like that they arent allowed to do so, doesnt work.
as said before there are different takes of judging "live shows".

It's still a bootleg unless it's sanctioned by the artist.

A bootleg recording is an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist or under other legal authority.

 : ok:





If you use that logic, every show will be available to people who weren't there in some form. Audio or video bootleg.

I bet in most cases, artists do not play for those people who will be listening or watching bootleg recordings.

Now, let's say you are recording a TV special, a video (DVD/Bluray), a movie or something similar, with the intent to make it available, then it's different. Then you obviously might wanna pay attention to what the experience will look like to those who were not there when it was recorded.


There's a difference between playing a show that is web cast, and doing a web cast and inviting people to watch it in person.





I wouldn't write concert reviews based on watching those....





That's like watching the Travel Channel and telling people you went on holidays to all these places.

Would you do that?





/jarmo

- the old "bootleg" term is more of a pre-internet up-/download times where you mostly only could get shows by paying for it. this is different now, time to "move on" ;) and no need to label it with that old definition. it remains being an unofficial live recording.

- so what? people do get this live show in a form, in this case "officially" with professional cameras and soundboard audio on youtube. and they have the right to talk about it, judge it, whatever. many do that! its a different way with technology giving the possibility to do so. parts of St. Louis91 have been used in courtroom, being watched and judged after. by your logic they wouldnt be allowed to do so...but reality is different! and i bet my ass that the Judge and his hangman werent @ that show. i'm sure you talked about parts from shows like ritz88, paris92, rio01 and/or others in your posts here aswell.....even if you didnt attend them yourself.

- listening to official live audio from Metallicas FLAC releases (which they offer from about every show for years now!) or listening/watching high quality unofficial recordings doesnt give you the right to judge the show or to talk about? come on! your defensive mode doesnt work here, neither does your Travel Channel example. you're twisting it up here, people dont say "hey, i was at this show" when listening to an live recording of a show they didnt attend. but they can get a lot out of it, at points even much more than the casual concert goer, thats a fact to me! i'm not trying to bring down the "real" live experiences when being @ shows (actually i for myself am watching a lot live shows real "live"). the point of being near the bands you like to see is exciting already! but when it comes to do some kind of more objective show analyzing/judging or whatever to call it..... people can and are allowed to so with a good quality live recording. the best probably would be doing all of that: being there live + an official live audio/video recording + (very) good unofficial audio/video recordings.

No matter what you call it, it's still not sanctioned by the band.





You need to realize the difference. As usual you don't seem to understand the point.

You can talk about it all you want, but it still isn't the same as attending.

It's a recording of something. Just like a photo.

You can look at a picture of something that happened and comment on it. But it's not the same as being there at the time when the picture was taken.


Having something broadcast does not mean the artist is performing for the broadcast audience.

You need to realize that.








I'm glad they are giving you things to talk about and judge!

I hope you are happy about it.


"Objective show analyzing?"

So you had the greatest night of your life at a concert that you thought was the best concert you ever saw.

Then you watch the bootleg and realize the artist fucked up some solos and forgot some lyrics. Does it mean you didn't have the greatest time of your life and it wasn't the best concert you ever saw?


How about you listening to some FLACs of a concert. And the artist played all the songs you love, all your favorites. It's your dream setlist. Is it the best concert they ever did? "I wasn't there, but I heard the recording and it was the best ever show".



Feel free to judge live shows based on bootlegs, if that's what you wanna spend your time on.

But make sure you realize that the band isn't playing for you when they are on stage. Unless they say so...

I bet most artists are not concerned about pleasing those who will watch the show as a downloaded DVD a few months later when they are on stage and get instant feedback from the audience...



It's pretty evident in the Youtube clip... :)

"It's the same setlist...."

That could be you.





/jarmo

But...omg is special!

thats what it is, an unofficial live recording, thanks for finally not giving it that negative old description.


ouch!


Ha, i never said thats the same, funny twisting again by you making it sound like that! the "point" was not that a live recording is the same than the live experience being @ the show, the point still is that people are able to judge/talk about etc. shows from a proper (un-)official live recording even not being there and that it often can give them a better overview in terms of objective show judgement. it also doesnt give you the good time with the band and other fans there, but it can give you a different good time  :)


assumed i'd have a quality recording, it does mean that my live impressions of the show were no good when it comes to show judging, mostly based by the excitement of being there, jumping, dancing, drinking, whatever. i've had to learn that a couple of times myself, also with other bands, one of them even releasing it as Proshot. that doesnt mean i did not have about one of the greatest times there.


that would only work in the case of a "dream setlist", yeah. a dream setlist doesnt gurantuee you that the musisicans did perform it best though.
but yes, in most cases i'd liked to attend that show myself.


thank you for realizing that people are doing that, thank you for finally realizing "the point", and many more thanks for "allowing" me to do so  : ok:!


no need to make sure, thats obvious. and -again- it wont stop people listening/watching/judging them, some bands "realized" that, too.


the "rant" fits some things properly, some things he seems to be wrong. do we have some exact transription from it? i couldnt understand all the words exactly, based on a "poor" recording.
i hope you did attend the show from your youtube-clip [Puerto Rico 10/29/2006], your argumentation wouldnt make sense otherwise.

"Objective show judgement".  :hihi:

It's a live show, enjoy it and stop worrying about "objective show judgement".  :)








Actually, I think your impressions were your true feelings. Not "objective show judgement".

That's the problem. Some of you are too concerned about what others think so you act like you're some kind of journalist reviewing the show.

Looking for faults so nobody thinks you're not "objective".







You're pretty much reviewing bootleg recordings of a concert, not a concert.

To me there's a difference.

Yes, I can look at a video and say "Nice performance!". It's normal.

But I don't use that to make something called "objective show judgement".

How is it objective? You're pretty much looking for faults so you can list them.

I can enjoy a concert DVD, it's nice to watch those.

But I know it's very different to being there. You are your own camera man, director etc. when you are in the audience and decide where to look instead of looking at what the director chose to focus on.





Unlike you, I'm not judging the show based on that clip.  :hihi:

Just using it as an example, a document of an event, of how the subject of the "rant" reminds me of you and your never ending quest.




/jarmo

I met Tommy three times this year, and one of the things I had him sign was...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/297968_10150312037797505_770917504_7740016_369599_n.jpg)

Godlike!

Man, this is just as Godlike as finding out the true spelling to Chris' last name.  :hihi:

That is very impressive, and I fully agree with the sentiments of Oh My God being played live this tour. This song is too good to not be mentioned again, Guns should surprise people and just perform it straight off the cuff, would put alot of diehards fainting or passing out when it kicked in. : ok: