Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox26iCm62go&feature=player_embedded

Great news!

Cool -- let's see what they do with them. :smoking:

Sounds promising, I preordered the Sixx AM record, I really enjoyed the first album!

Lyrically and vocally, Sixx AM are a bit hit and miss for me. I've heard a few of these new tracks and some of them sound killer, I'm a big fan of Ashba and his playing, can't wait to hear him on something with Axl.

Very nice to hear that. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but still great to hear.

Sure, but it's nice to know that there at least SOME plans for these guys to get in the studio again and create something new. Really hoping we get the rest of the CD era tracks first though!

Lol, Axl and Ashba locked away in Axl's basement!

I can't wait too hear what they come up with, with Dj on board. Going to be some great freaking stuff.  :beer:

I really dont' want to rain on everyones parade but, I think DJ says alot of things loosely. He said a while ago that you won't have to wait long for a new GN'R album, then Ron said in another interview that the band had yet to sit in a room together and any material that will be on any future album will probably heavily feature CD era songs.  :D

I like DJ, and I appreciate his role in GN'R for the past few years. But I think it's obvious to everyone that Guns N' Roses as a band are not working on new material everyday. As Rons doing his own music and making appearences, much like Richard and Frank. However, it is possible DJ is working on some GN'R stuff here and there, but again in saying that DJ seems to be pretty busy lately too, with him attending awards shows, and also dealing with Sixx AM.  :-\

I guess I don't want GN'R fans, to be on cloud 9 because they hear that Guns N' Roses are working on new material every day, because they most likely aren't. If you take into consideration the last few interviews and activities from GN'R members, like Ron, Richard, Frank and Tommy.  : ok:

One doesn't contradict the other.



Well, we don't know exactly what he's even talking about.

So for you to completely dismiss him is a bit drastic.

Unless you're far more informed about how GN'R works than Dj, then I suggest you be more careful...


I personally don't know what he's referring to, but I don't go and claim he's wrong. Because I honestly don't know!  :)



/jarmo

I'm not totally dismissing what he is saying, he could well be working on GN'R material. But I think it's abit too loose to say everyday, just my personal opinion from my own assumptions on seeing almost every GN'R member busy with their own music/gigging.  :D

I don't want media outlets reporting that "Guns N' Roses are working on material everyday", because that will make everyones hopes high in regards to a GN'R release being imminent (or closer than we think). And then I don't want them same media outlets to be negative towards GN'R when something doesn't come to fruition as soon as everyone expects.

It's easy for people to read an interview the wrong way, or percieve it in their own hopeful way. And most of us GN'R fans, have built up a coat of armor in regards to getting our hopes up, and having delays happen and so fourth.

I just don't want a casual observer, who reads the board as a guest. To suddenly think that GN'R are working on material everyday and then for them to be getting their hopes and expectations really high, only to be dashed when the album doesn't appear as soon as they thought based on their own hopeful interpretations of such an interview.  :-\

(That's why I feel the more seasoned GN'R members like Ron wouldn't say such a thing. Because he knows from his own personal experiences, how much GN'R fans hang on to every word, and sometimes interpret it wrongly.)  :o

We don't even know who the we he's referring to are.


I understand being cautious. But I'm sure he has a reason for saying that. I don't think he's talking out of his ass.


 :D


/jarmo

I'm just glad someone is working on new songs for Guns N' Roses every day. :)


Oh sure, I have a hard enough time following along -- now I'm expected to read subliminal messages. :hihi:

I know, but I did actually like that one myself.  ;)

My guess is that he's doing what Ron did back in 2007, that is, adding solos and guitar work to already existing songs.  This is really the only context I can see his statement making sense.

Ron stated previously that he recorded on a "good handful" of tracks that did not appear on the first album, so his work for the next one might already be done.

It was a little joke...  :-[


Being optimistic about the future can't be a bad thing... That's the vibe I get from what Dj said. Optimism.





/jarmo

ahah loved the subliminal message! ah!

I lol'ed.  :hihi:


Great to hear from DJ, this certainly is the best news since the RIR confirmation.  :)

Well i think they're definitely working on a new album... they can't be stopped... artists are always on the move and creating new things. Even if they're just working on instrumentals right now, this is great news!

Im very curious about the new album! There's definitely the same kind of buzz in my mind, that there was before CD came out. This next album is gonna rock and i can't wait to start listening the new songs!

I hope they include Oh My God, its one of the greatest songs they wrote ever! But im not expecting that to be included. I think its one of the songs that we'll never see on its finished form  :(

Im sure there will be other great songs on the next album though. I hope this is a more agressive album than CD though, more rockers less calm songs. I bet thats where their mind is, a more agressive album!  :hihi:

True...it's about time that optimism is an option with our fav band...
Let's enjoy the moment and hope there will be a new record being released sometime (soon)  ;)

In my optimism, I don't think it will take another 10 years... :P

that's good news. all the pressure dropped with CD, it will be probably easier to do this one, at every level.

Yeah given history one should probably remain optimistic and quietly reserved.  This news calls for personal restraint.

I don't have that when it comes to this band.

FUCK YEAH!  Work your ass off DJ.  I'm excited.  ;D

It is hard. lol

optimistically: "soon" is the word  :)

but realistically..... :-\

They don't have to all be in the same room to work on new music anyway. They could all be in their own houses and then send bits and pieces of songs to each other so everyone can add something to it.

Exactly this.

As regards to Dj's statements, you should always take them with a pinch of salt, like with any artist statement and don't take it as gospel and so literal. I believe we'll see the record mid 2012.

Who knows whats going on, but the possibility of them working on a follow up to "Chinese Democracy" shouldn't be THAT far fetched.  After all CD didn't come out yesterday, its been 3 years.  This is around the time most bands are putting out follow ups to previous records, yes I know GNR are not most bands, but to completley dismiss the idea of a follow up being worked on doesn't make much sense.  Also in today's world the band doesn't even to need to be in the same country with each other to be recording and working on an album.

Regards to the media jumping on what DJ says and jumping to conclusions:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/guns_n_roses_writing_every_day.html

Its nice to hear! Even if we know that GNR probably is working on new material now and then, its nice to here him say it without being asked about it!
Cool!

I dont see why people need to overanalyze everything a bandmember says.. but i guess thats just how some people like it.

Hope they will try out some new material in Rio =)

Prime example of why I wanted everyone to take this with a pinch of salt, because now media outlets are going to report that GN'R are working on material everyday. When we clearly know that it's unlikely that that's the case, even if they are tossing a few ideas around here and there.  :)

I wasn't dismissing the statement DJ said, I was just talking on the side of common sense. For example we as GN'R hardcore fans know that maybe DJ used the word everyday abit loosley, but what about the casual music fan who comes across this story on the above link (ultimate guitar), they are going to think "Jesus, GN'R are working on new songs everyday, a new album must be imminent".

So that's the only reason why I felt like I had to remind people to use common sense before getting really excited about the comment. And that the media likes to take an interview like this, and word it differently to misleed people all the time, as Ultimate Guitar has done here. :P

Because if you just read that headline from Ultimate Guitar, you would automatically think that GN'R are all locked up in a studio writing everyday, but we know that isn't the exact case.  :D

Again, I don't think anythings being "written" persay, but wouldn't be surprised if DJ & Axl are working together putting final touches on the next album.  This puts DJs "We're working on new songs everyday." comment into context.  He never said they were writing anything.

I really wouldn't worry about it.
I can't speak for everyone, but I would think most people learned from the making of Chinese Democracy not to get their hopes up.
Just because GNR is working on an album doesn't mean it's coming out any time resembling soon.
I'm in the "believe it when it's in stores" club.

The media is what it is and has been. One source reports, then another sources take that and make the news their own. And so on, and so on. You ever play the game 'Telephone'? EXACTLY.

That said, any artist/musician/businessperson/whomever, whenever asked 'what's going on?' or 'what's coming up?' will ALWAYS answer in the positive, whether it's true or not. You think Ashba is gonna answer in the negative? You know what happens there-stuff gets played out BIG TIME (Oasis Gallagher brothers, Aerosmith, Mick and Keef).

Ask an actor what they're doing-they'll say how many auditions they're going on. Doesn't mean they have the part locked down at all.
There's still a BUNCH of other things that have to happen. Yes, the actor is acting. That's what they do. And the actor will tell everyone how much they're doing too. That's what they also do. Same thing with musicians. Some are stand up people. Others can be SCUMBAGS. This is the music bizniz-remember?

But look more at the person giving the answer. Ashba's as good of a businessman as he is a musician. Seems like a nice guy too. He has his hands (and hat) in many different projects. His profile is very talented and very worthwhile. He's ALWAYS creating. Is it all good? That's subjective. Personally, I don't dig alot of it, but he gets my respect.

Loose or not in his 'we're woking on new songs everyday' commentary-this doesn't mean much. At all. Whatsover. Polite smokescreen. We're not in the GNR rehearsal space or recording studio. GNR can either be 1% done or 99.9% done. We'll never know. Past practice has set the precedent. When something will be released, or said directly from Axl's mouth, then okay. Until then, whatever.

Don't take this with a pinch of salt. Take it with the whole damn mine.

They could be on skype too.  Where are those hackers when you need them?

I think DJ will be essential on cutting out new songs and working on them, even if by himself in a way. He's done a great job writing records for other bands as Motley Cr?e and such and for me, DJ's best work in GN'R is yet come. Until now it's like he joined a cover band (no pun intended) since he didn't write or record any of the songs he played live and I think its unfair to judge his guitar playing based on touring. Just check out his original work with other bands like the Beautiful Creatures. Awesome album with amazing guitar work. That's what I'm getting pumped up to see.

I agree with that.  I really can't wait to hear what all these guys can do together now, with Dj in.  I'm greatful to GNR who made me discover this amazing artist and his previous work.

I just want to clarify for people what I meant by my comments in this thread.  :D

All I am saying is that by DJ saying the comments he did, people are going to think that a GN'R release is much closer than we was previously expecting. That's just the way peoples minds work, based on what DJ said.

So, airing on the side of caution, if a GN'R album don't materialise for say another 2-3 years. People are going to get more fustrated during the wait, even more so because of such comments made by DJ.  :-\

I will end my post by saying this, which I believe is a simple equation;

There is a reason why GN'R members like Ron, Tommy and Richard will not have said anything remotely like DJ did. And that's simply because, they know that GN'R fans latch onto every word, and make up their own conclusions based on their hopes and wishes.

Even if there were some GN'R songs being worked on now and then, they still wouldn't say it. Because at the end of the day, the ultimate decision is going to come from Axl in regards to releasing an album. So they would still keep it quiet as they, just like us, don't know for sure when the next album will be released. So they wouldn't want to give anyone false hope in regards to something they said. :D

^^Great post, 100% agree with you.

I don't want my hopes built up unless something really is on the horizon.  :'(

The fact remains us Guns fans go crazy at the slightest suggestion of new studio music!

With that said, kudos to DJ because IMO he's just tryin to restore a bit of faith in the fans that we can expect new stuff in the future.

It's a difficult situation I suppose

you make a good point. not saying he can't be trusted or anything, but as the CD wait taught us, it's always best to wait for some kind of official announcements or something to that effect. i really hope the next album is on the horizon though.

Im glad DJ decides that he wants to give some us some info on what guns is doing. Because of some some stupid people that are overanalyzing everything out of context, shouldnt it prevent him from saying "gnr ar working on new songs". thats just stupid.

Nytunz, did you read my last post?.  :P

I don't think anyone can really disagree with my sentiments, regarding fans building their hopes up based on such comments.

You're basically saying that Dj is stupid? That he's not familiar how some certain fans will probably take every word he says and twist it to fit their own dream/fantasy/wish?

I'm pretty sure he knows about that.

I still like to believe that if Dj says something, he has a reason to. And the reason doesn't have to be "there's a new album coming out very soon". Maybe he's just excited about working on some new material with/for GN'R?






/jarmo

There is a difference between "hearsay" and "reality", at this point it is only hearsay, when and if it becomes a reality, that is when my celebration begins, until then I just don't see speculating over something that could be taken out of context, not to say I don't believe DJ, but until Axl says so, I try not to let myself get to excited :-\.

No, I'm not saying DJ is stupid.  :P

And if you want an honest answer, I would say that DJ probably doesn't realise the culture of GN'R fans clinging on to every interview during the past 10+ years. It's not his fault, because he only joined a few years ago, and before that he was heavily involved with Sixx AM. So unlike veteran members of GN'R, who have had experience of their interviews being twisted and being asked questions about GN'R which they can't answer, DJ is still yet to experience this sort of thing.  :P

To be fair to DJ, Ron was abit like that in 2006 when he first joined. But Ron learned quickly how obsessive us and the media are regarding GN'R, and now he barely answers any questions about GN'R business, other than light hearted stuff like "Axl shouting things down Rons ear monitor" or "Ron not be able to drink alchohol unlike Chris", but he never says anything to give us false hope. And he even went as far as to tell us the truth, even if it was negative sounding, which was that GN'R had not all sat in a room together and recorded yet. - And that's all because Rons become wise to things being blown out of context...

So that's my point, other GN'R members know the dangers of saying such things like "We are working on new songs everyday". Because they've had more experience than DJ, of the bad side of being honest and saying positive sounding stuff like this.  :D

It could the fact that perhaps that DJ IS working on (new)material and the others aren't, so nobody would be lying. As publicly known, some members have already a few projects on the go, so DJ could be the first to be laying tracks. The other possibilities are that the existing versions of the CD2 tracks are being updated with DJ adding his touch, the others having already done so. So yes DJ is making music, BBF, Rich, Dizzy, Tommy and Frank aren't yet or already have, therefore nobody is lying.  : ok:

I don't think anybodys debating whether DJ is lying, because if at least he alone is working on GN'R material, his statement would still be true (but of course not everyday).  ::)

What we are saying here is whether DJ should of put that comment out there, based on all of the other conclusions that hopeful and desperate fans will come to. I think the term is, if there isn't anything set in stone regarding a GN'R release, why give fans any yarn to spin, which is what the media are doing with his comment.

I'm sure it was true that Axl and GN'R was working on GN'R material almost everyday from 1998-2001, and then again from 2003-2005. But Axl and any GN'R member never once made a statement giving fans false hope, unless there was a genuine belief that the album was going to appear during a certain time.

There's no need to state that you are working on songs everyday, because we as GN'R fans to be honest, hope that this was the case anyway. But what DJ has done is, give the media a chance to bash GN'R if the album doesn't appear in the next 2-3 years.  :-[

I can already see the quote...

"Well, even after the bands guitarist DJ said they was working on songs everyday 2 years ago, the album still hasn't appeared, and it's 2013. What's wrong with GN'R, are they scared to put anymore material out, what's happened to all those songs DJ was talking about, surely they are finished".

See the above fake news quote, is a prime example of how they would use DJ's comments against the band if what they indicate doesn't happen. (which is the albums progess being quick and rapid)  :D

What if he's just excited about it?

I mean, imagine if that was the case and he just happened to speak because of that.

Instead of worrying whether or not somebody will take it out of context, twist it around and use it against him.




/jarmo

I am definitely interested in how the next album will work. Axl seems to have so much left over from the CD sessions etc.. Just wonder how the dynamic would change from those songs to new ones written by current band? And if they'd mix and match etc??

on the GNR build up thing.. Album in 2008, they've been regularly touring etc...I don't have that same latch on every word/anticipation that I had pre CD. They've earned some time off etc.

Now if it gets 2013... I may return to the way i was before 2008 and the inpatient GNR fan.

Er...didn't he said this on the context of touring? Meaning there will be a new setlist. :P

In all honesty, there isn't a line where you can define what "GNR writing new material" actually means. At the time in which he said it, it is most likely that band members were at home and occasionally picking up the guitar to see if they could come up with anything.

People complains about the silence of this band sometimes. When a member speaks...that people don't trust / don't believe him.


They're unbelievable.

When the guy says he's working on new songs, then I believe they are working on new songs... that's all he said....Don't really get it why certain people are being so negative about DJ's statement....  ???
We should be happy to hear such things, that's means that we are really sure GN'R is still working to release music and as a fan that excites me! and that has nothing to do with hoping on a soon release date of new album(s)... (ofcourse the sooner the better  :hihi: )
 : ok:

They're negative because Dj is in the band and he replaced somebody...




/jarmo

I love that comment.  :o

I've never made no secret that I preffered the person who DJ replaced, which was Robin. (you can say his name)  :hihi:

But this is nothing to do with that, I've never once criticised anything other than DJ's comments in this thread. A poster has actually made fun of DJ's look in this thread, and I never responded or joined in, so don't make out like I'm "Out Ta get" DJ or something.

Did you read my comment when I stated in DJ's defence, that Ron was saying things very similar in 2006, before he realised that the media twist everything, and that GN'R fans latch onto every word.  :yes:

So no, I don't have this opinion because it's "DJ". And before anyone tries to bash Robin, because of my first couple of words in my reply. I wasn't the one who brought him into it, and made a comment which has nothing to do with the debate that's going on in this thread.  : ok:

It was a joke!





/jarmo

fans have every right to be sceptical with statements like this from Mr. DJ. it can be excitement and might be true but when it comes to Axl and releases....those 2 words provenly didnt get along well over the years. they can write 1000 songs and get excited like a rubber ball but what does it help to let people know about new songs when they wont be able to hear them any soon? add that the last Axl plan (we've been made aware about) was still to release the "old" songs from CD2/CD3.
but hey....why not officially giving out a short clip ~15sec as a teaser?  :peace:

http://youtu.be/MHEeMMXcQrQ

Why do you have a right to be skeptical?  What is there to be skeptical about?  DJ didn't say, we're working on the new album, it's just about finished, and it should be out by the summer.

Maybe you're jumping to that conclusion, but all he said was they're working on new songs everyday.  That's a very vague statement.  Read into it what you want, but it seems like you're reading too much into it.

Good find with that other vid, gnr-4-ever

because without any release or any form of musical teaser it doesnt matter to music listeners how many songs they're working on!

Funny.

You won't have any fucking "teasers" like you demand without them working on songs to begin with.

So it should matter.




/jarmo

Basically, you're just not interested in what the band does between album releases as long nothing is concrete... that's fine but a lot of other fans, I suppose like me, do find it quite interesting to read about what the band and its members are doing in between the making of albums for GN'R,  without making such a big deal out of it...just nice to hear that they work on new music.
For me, I would appreciate if the other band members would also (dare) say more stuff like DJ has done. Without news/rumors, this forum would very boring, don't you think?  ;D

I like to read (or see/hear interviews) about music and the persons making it, and evenmore about my fav band.

 :peace:

we dont have any official musical teasers! goin back to "they must write stuff first before you can hear them".....eh, come on!
they even do have 1-2 more CDs in the vaults...no teasers aswell.
"today we've worked on another kick-ass song" <-- YYIIPPPIEEE!
"last week we wrote some beautiful piano stuff"  <-- WOW!!

fine for people getting excited about stuff like this (i see the point, "The Prez") but based on the "GN'R experience" we most likely wont hear any of that music any soon.

You really have a weird concept of reality.

Just because you have finished material, doesn't mean you need to put clips of it online because somebody demands it.

Especially if you don't have a release date for the song(s) in question!


You need to go back into hiding and the "waiting" for the new material, or at least wait for the next show you're not attending so you can whine about the setlist.

The whining is getting old. ::)




/jarmo

^^your opinion, when many others would more tend to agree that Axl camp has that "weird concept of reality" often.
i'm not following your logic because i didnt say or mean it like you've mentioned, let alone i have "demanded" anything here. people can feel free to jump around and headbang all night for that info from Mr. DJ that they're working on new songs for GN'R everyday. wont change my opinion that we wont be able to hear that music (parts) soon or at all.
but seriously what would be so hard to put out a little teaser? everybody and her sister can upload little things by now. other bands do that all the time, they've more and more adapted to the digital world of music spreading, fans interaction etc. and before you argue that fans will "demand" even more after that, its about how you put things out. once again: not demanding anything here....but would it be more cool? sure! cant it be done easily? off course!

nice off-topic setlist hint from you by the way.
you dont even have a clue how many Guns shows i've really attended.

GN'R does what they feel like when they feel like it.

It's been obvious for me for quite a while.




Dj says they write songs and you start demanding "teasers". For something that has no release date.

Makes no sense to me.



It's very easy to say things like "it's easy to upload a new song online" when you only have to type those words on a keyboard.

Just for discussion's sake, since I don't know, and you probably don't know either, did you check how the record company (or whoever owns or would release the music) feels about your idea?

Since apparently GN'R can just upload unreleased music to the Internet just like that, I'm sure you must know all the contracts and the whole business side of things?


I happen to believe that every decision made has at least one reason behind it.

So if GN'R doesn't upload teasers this or the next week, they have a good reason not to. You on the other hand believe that there's no reason, anybody can do it!

Or you just conveniently choose to ignore that aspect altogether...



/jarmo

- "GN'R does what they feel like when they feel like it."
- "I happen to believe that every decision made has at least one reason behind it."

eh? feelings for decisions or reasons for decisions or a combination of both or sometimes this, somethimes that and sometimes both?
thats common stuff that can be used everytime as "argument" for or against things.

better video (as told by Axl 12/2008)? - plans changed, no reason or feeling given
live shows-streams (as told by Fernando end 2009 or early 2010)? - plans changed, no reason or feeling given

there is lots of stuff they could do, have talked about, dont talk about but they simply dont do......and we dont know why and are intentionally left in the dark.

once again, Mr. J: i did NOT (repeat did NOT) demand any teasers! why do you repeately bring up smth. i've never said? i dont put words in your mouth you didnt say, neither, so please stop that.
and why couldnt some "by-Axl-approved-rehearsal-clips" (not full songs) make it on some online page officially just because there is no release date? short clips/release date dont have to have a common connection!
i'm hell sure fans would love it!

yeah, the record company thing probably might be more complicated.....still IMO thats smth. Axl camp should have had enough time to figure it out properly and i dont buy it when it comes to "teasers" or short clips etc. they allowed new songs to be aired high quality on tv for Rock Am Ring'06-broadcast wayyy before we've had an official release date!

I don't think GN'R would do anything in regards to releasing any such "teasers", and why should they?. In terms of the next record, why wouldn't they want the "mystery", element which was present during the run-up to Chinese Democracy.  :-X

The closest thing we got to a "teaser" was the Boston TV promo in 2002, where you could hear cuts from songs like CD and Madagasar. But GN'R is not the kind of band to do this generally, and yes I know alot of bands do, but that's them.

GN'R runs in their own way, some fans wish they could be more transparent and accomidating in regards to giving fans multimedia here or there. And then you have some fans, who like the mysterious element from never being "let in" if you like, into GN'Rs' vault or plans.

It's just the way it is... but GN'R have always been like that, so it's not like we can start complaining now.  :-\

Umm, if you feel like doing something, that could be the only reason to do it!  :hihi:




They had at least one reason I'm sure!  :)




Does it bother you? It didn't happen. Too bad.





Ok, you were asking why they can't do it.

I explained that there's probably at least one reason for it.

You feel like you have to know the reason behind every decision even though it doesn't make a big difference to most fans.

Do you think somebody might need to know why GN'R doesn't stream every show on the Internet? If that person knows they don't, will it make things different to know the reason(s) why?





Let's do what you are quite good at, assuming shit.

I'll assume that he doesn't want to put rehearsal clips online. So, then what? You want to know why? Will it change anything? The clips won't appear either way.





You think they should have enough time? Based on what? You know they never tried? How do you know?

How do you know none of the things you suggested weren't actually something that GN'R have tried doing at some point?



As I said, it's very easy to list things you want to happen when you don't have to take anything into account.





/jarmo

Christ on a bike, they're probably just messing around with potential ideas at home when they get time. Members of the band are busy with other things.

Dj - New Sixx AM record, plus touring and working on the horror movie soundtrack
Tommy - Touring with his punk band
Richard - Filling in for Viv Campbell on Thin Lizzy tour (which is coming to my town).
Bumblefoot - Recording a song a month

I doubt Guns will do anything before RIR4, except a rehearsal a week or so before.

That's exactly what I meant about it's dangerous in terms of the media reporting that GN'R are working on material everyday. Because we know, based on your excellent post, that this is far from the truth.  ::)

But I'm not going to argue the toss, people are always going to defend DJ because he is in the band. I support DJ and GN'R, but I'm going to be truthful and say that in my view, it was probably best not to say what DJ did.

Even if he is throwing around ideas at home with his guitar.  :P

why upload music when there ain't no fucking release date make no since to me

the "feeling"-argument!   :)



the "objective reason"-argument now  ;)





you're twisting the point again here. in this case its not about "having to know every reason behind decisions/no-decisions" but about when Axl camp decides to speak and talks about stuff like "better video out in about a week or so" or Fernando updating with "live-shows-to-be-streamed" but nothing happens.....it would absolutely NOT harm to give fans the reasons for not doing stuff the inner circle (not some guitar tech or so) kinda promised before, its even more a normal thing regarding these issues/promises to tell why these plans have changed again. add that good communication cant hurt.


ah, bashing time? nice!
and again you twisted it, previously you've meant that it makes no sense to put such clips online "when there is no release date", i disagreed about that connection and will repeat it: you dont have to have a release date in sight to post some rehearsal clips or smth., there is no need for such a connection, period.
would people like to see/hear such small things? (*watch out, i'm "assuming shit" again now:*) HELL SURE!




i cant know when being left in the dark  ;) 
"enough time" is based on the fact that there have been so many silent years, years in where people'd think a professional big band would have figured out issues like that by now.
they provenly could do such things before as i've mentioned new live songs to be on tv broadcast high quality when there wasnt even a release date in sight (Rock Am Ring 2006).

Would fans love to see anything the band puts out? Of course. Nobody's denying that! People aren't stupid.


Your problem seems to be that you need to know every reason behind every decision the band makes. So, answer me, does it matter that you don't? You still don't have your teasers or rehearsal clips.


Did it ever occur to you that something that seems easy and sounds like a good idea to you might not to somebody else? Only because you don't know what the other person knows.

It's pretty simple. You might not even realize, but it's true not only for people in the band compared to fans.


But instead of accepting that, you feel like you are owed explanations for everything instead of just realizing things didn't go as planned, but hopefully they will another time.



I don't know the exact reason why it's raining outside now. I don't really need to know, if I step outside I'll get wet. That's all that matters.



/jarmo

Jarmo,  do you think it would be out of line for you to ask the band to give the fans an 'update' on the status of the next album?

During his recent chats with the fans DJ teased "a Christmas one" when asked if the fans can expect the next album this year, and confirmed he is currently writing music WITH Axl.  Maybe you can ask for clarification on this statement, as far as whether expecting a release this year is indeed realistic.

Look at what we know... The band didn't release everything they recorded on Chinese Democracy.

So there must be material that is somewhat done. Axl has even mentioned some song titles.

Then you have Dj saying that they work on songs. Are these completely new songs or the songs mentioned earlier? We don't know, but they're still new because we haven't heard them...


But it's not just about getting the songs done. Chinese Democracy was done for a while before we could actually buy it.

There's more things involved.


So, would you be happy with something like "Yeah, we have songs ready, but we need to figure out how to best present them to you"?

Or "We're working on new material and hopefully we can get it out soon"?

I'm thinking some fans would just think "Oh great another update that doesn't say anything".

As usual....



/jarmo

True.  Either way, DJ saying they're currently working on the next album is good news, since I imagine they wouldn't work on these tracks just to keep them unreleased.

Unreleased tracks like The General, Atlas Shrugged, & Soul Monster have reached an almost mythical status over the years and it would have been a shame to not hear them.  I'm looking forward to hearing what DJ adds to them.

I don't think the irony is lost when I say the most exciting things that have happened to me this century with this band, were;

1. confirmation of headlining Leeds 2002
2. Headlining Download 2006
3. The release date of CD in 2008
4. The news that they were doing an O2 show in 2010 (then upgraded to 2 shows)

All of which were delivered on, all had their own bit of magic and all being enough of a tease to get the mood going....
Many of you have far more experiences than this, but I hope the point is made, let them deliver stuff when they are ready, that way we all win  :beer:

I don't think you can blame people for wanting to be "let in" or better informed in regards to GN'R. Especially when we can see other bands communicate with their fans everyday, and provide music, videos and news on a weekly basis.  :o

But as I said before, GN'R has always been like this, and it's not nothing new really. I think some members of the band like Ron would love for GN'R to be more like this, but unfortunately for us, it seems like it's not on the cards.  :P

I too was hopeful when we heard of the Better video, the live concert videos, the 2006 tour documentary, the promise to answer fans questions and countless other stuff that never materialised.... Would this make a GN'R fan unhappy, and feel let down?, you bet it would as it's a normal human reaction. So rather than totally discrediting people who react like this, I think it's better to try to understand them better, because at the end of the day. We all feel those emotions when something doesn't come to pass regarding plans, because we love GN'R and want them to be the best they can be.  : ok:

The amusing thing is that no matter what GN'R chooses to release next, some won't be happy:

Songs that were worked on while they worked on the songs that ended up on CD -> "These songs are old! Why not release something new? I want some new songs!"
Completely new songs -> "Why didn't they release the older songs first? Why are they saving them? Makes no sense, they belong with the CD songs!"


 :rofl:



/jarmo

It's impossible to please everyone, I'm sure Axl knows that by now.  As long as DJ leaves his mark in some capacity on the next album, my guess is that most parties will be pleased, the same way Ron left his mark on CD and on some of the other unreleased tracks.  But yeah, at this point I'll take a GNR album any way I can get it.

Ah lets just see what happens.

no, never said that i need to know "every reason behind every decision/no-decision". the problem occurs that they stay silent even after they promised stuff (like the "better"-video). i'd rate it just fair to give an explanation, at least for stuff like this. if i'm goin to meet somebody and then the person doesnt come.....its uncool. you would go the way "oh well, smth. came in between, sfw..." where i'd like to hear why the person didnt come as promised. this example fits this situation way better than your rain-comparism.

Meeting a person and releasing a video?

Not a very good comparison. One is an actual encounter.

It's a bit more personal than awaiting for a video to appear on Youtube... In my opinion.

And it also actually requires for you to take time out of your life to meet the other person. Now, waiting for a video or online streams, they don't really do that. You can wait for those while you live your life...

 :)



/jarmo

I figure when they can explain what happen when they were hoping for something that didn't work out they will.  Maybe in Axl's book.  Wonder how he's coming along with that.  Not really sure he is releasing one, heard he was working on one so that may not be true but if it is, I'm looking forward to it.

So it's been what 10 days since DJ said they were working on music, wonder if they have anything they are happy with yet.