Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Tommy Stinson was interviewed by WMMR in Philly prior to his Feb. 18th show.  He says when asked about the status of Guns N' Roses:

Tommy Stinson: Ya know, at some point I think it'll go back out again.  I don't really know.  There's talk of doing a United States tour.  But at the moment, there's nothing on the books.  I don't really know -- I'm waiting to hear.  I stay causiously optimistic and guarded about that one because I don't want to be the guy that says, oh yeah, we're going to do blah, blah, blah and then nothing materializes for a year.

He also talks about releasing new solo music in May, The Replacements, touring, getting stuck in London and more.

Audio here: http://www.wmmr.com/shows/matt-cord/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10206681

I read that as a 'aus tour' then for a second LOL

Summer tours R'being announced..Will GN'R Get in the Ring?

We miss you too Tommy and the rest of the guys.  :yes:

As we know anything can happen with this band and we could just get an announcement at any time night or day or maybe as there 1000th tweet thats kind of the fun part of supporting them we get to know when they do : ok:

Why not going back to Japan or australia,europe/south america.

united states has lost a great deal of respect to that band, sure there are true fans over there and I wish them that gnr is gonna play in front of them but with the status of that band still beint weird over there it makes some sense to tour there, but also sense not to.

The 2009-2010 tour has been amazing for the band and has put the band back at the spotlight to a better light, and they should not bring that down by performing what they do best,,, but they'll be slammed for it.

Axl's late
Axl's plays the same shit day after day.
people leaving.
no new material out
no promotion.
no nothing to support the tour.

I know this post will be slammed by some but I don't mind.

touring Europe/Japan/south america/aus seems to be more logical and they've got better fans over those regions and great times.
they should not waste that by slamming theirselfs to egocentric reporters who have their report of the show ready before it has even begun.

^^ It`s not fare to say cos they get criticism in america they shouldn`t tour there, they had a successful tour in 06 plus Chinese Democracy got to #2 they have loyal fans there, genrally it`s journalists who have to make it a problem because it`s the only thing they can use to critisise Axl with, they can see the bands great the shows great the crowds great and Axl`s great so they use the late starts and the Axl and friends crap just to be annoying.        I hope they do tour America there fans deserve it just as much as us (but i hope they come back to europe SOON) :)

No offense to GNRjanus, but please don't slam U.S. fans and project your views of the U.S. Remember GNR IS an AMERICAN band.  I would like to see GNR again in the NJ/NYC area.  I hope the U.S. tour comes about. 

Draguns, I think GNRjanus makes a good point though.  I am often embarrassed by the state of the average American music fan.  I don't know what the difference is over here, but it's as if the public swears by the media.  Given thumbs up from the media, you're golden...piss 'em off?  You're toast.  Perception is often stronger than reality in this country.
 :(

Last I checked, GNR are an American band.  It is ridiculous for anyone to say US fans don't deserve to see them.  I'm not saying we are more deserving than other areas but we have sat patiently waiting for the US tour announcement.  If it happens great, but if not nobody should be surprised.  That's what keeps me stuck like glue to this band...the unpredictability.  Either way, anyone who says any area doesn't deserve to see the greatest band ever to exist is simply a cocksucker...so go eat some US cock.

It's easy to make a generalization like that.

In reality things are a bit different.

Of course you'll see a bunch of whiny US "fans" on the Internet. A big chunk of the people who post on these forums are from the US.

But you can't label an entire nation of fans based on them.



There's a quiet majority who doesn't post and doesn't whine about GN'R. Plus the ones who support the band and do post.

It's not fair on anybody to let the loud minority dictate anything.




/jarmo

Well sais jarmo.

Also, plenty of bands get slammed by the media. Yes, gnr moreso than most (not all). But f them. Many of gnr's peers get slammed constantly, but have some of the most successful tours in the u.s. GnR will do the same.

I of all people am praying for a us tour, I am also aware that it is out of my hands as to if and when this may occur, I have nothing but time, and will be here patiently waiting until that time comes, when it does, excitement will certainly take me over!!

Nice of Tommy to let us know whats going on in the GNR camp...  :)

I got burned during the 02? tour as I had tix to the Biloxi, MS show that was cancelled a few weeks before the date.  It left a bad taste in my mouth but never caused me to stray from the band.  So, needless to say, I am eagerly anticipating a US tour.  I haven't seen them since '93 and I will, in fact, travel to see a great number of shows if they tour the US.  I need my Axl fix!!!!  Tired of going to see GNR tribute bands. 

Kudos to Tommy for the update, though.

Axl's late<This Sucks, rightfully a complaint
Axl's plays the same shit day after day.<Not a typical complaint. Most bands have a set list.
people leaving.People wouldn't leave if the show started on time.
no new material out<They would be promoting CD. A tour didn't immediately follow the release, so the USA would be getting the end of the tour.
no promotion. <Perhaps there would be promotion, promoting the tour.
no nothing to support the tour. <not sure what this means.

Generalization.


Some complain because they have to wait between the opening act and GN'R.

It's called a set change!

If the opening act goes on at say 8:30, you can't expect GN'R on stage at 9:00...

It's obvious to me that some people are looking for reasons to complain. Even if GN'R is on time, they'll complain. Why? Because the show didn't start when they wanted it to start....

If GN'R are scheduled to be on at 10PM, and go on at 9:45, they'll say "the show started late". Because it didn't start at 9PM!




People leave sporting events early too and they start "on time".

Also, this happens at most other concerts too. Not GN'R specific at all.


Some "fans" just like to mention it like it's GN'R specific.




/jarmo

People leave early for several reasons, the main two being wanting to avoid queue's, and the second being that they've something to do the next day and want their sleep - bless. Neither ain't rock n roll though.

I love how there is no talk of actually recording any material for a new album. Fine GN'R tour don't tour. Just how about work on some new music. Look personally I will see GN'r every time they come to Southern California. Always without exception. It is always a great time. But what I love most about GNR is the music. I have been lucky and have seen GNR at least a dozen or so times live. But as we all know Axl's voice won't last forever. If we want to believe Baz, it is getting harder for Axl to kmaintain his wicked voice for the live shows.

When it comes down to it I would rather Axl saves his voice for new music that will last a lifetime. Nothing better then Chinese Democracy and no tour will ever be as good as a follow up to this album.

How about pulling a Beatles Axl, and concentrate on the music.

I think America is spoiled to be quite honest.  They get everything they want whenever they want, especially in music.  There is no doubt that GN'R dont do as well here as they do in other countries anymore.  There is still a lot of negativity around the band.  The American music public is still very pro reunion, that is what most of the rock fans in this country want.  They don't want this band to do well, because they feel that it will force some type of reunion.   No joke, when Duff joined Axl on stage for 2 songs, that got more press in this country than the rest of their whole world tour combined.  People love GNR in this country, but not the way it is now.  Sure there are exceptions like those of us who are here on the boards, but I have about 15 friends off the top of my head who own every GNR album, but I couldn't pay them to go to any of the shows with me in 2006, but they would the first ones on line if it were a reunion show.  So because of this country being close minded, we all have to suffer.  I don't blame the band for not playing here.

Complete Fallacy


GNR did fantastic in big markets. Boston,NY,LA,FLA,Detroit ,Chicago.. They sell out all those shows and do massively well. Now granted, they aren't gonna sell many tickets in Omaha Nebraska but guess what? Don't go to Omaha Nebraska. Stay in the big markets.
To say US fans dont deserve a tour is fucking ridiculous and dumb.

That being said, if i had a choice, I'd prefer a new album and put the CD era to bed. I want to hear an album from this lineup. by far the best of the new lineups.

also, why is anyone surprised that Duff playing gets super huge press? U people do realize that GNR the original lineup are one of the 3 or 4 greatest bands of all time right? so yeah, thats gonna get some major buzz when an original member who people thoguht never would play again joins them onstage. thats pretty big fucking news. Bodhi u should re-read ur sig and reassess urself.

yes and as a fan from then,i do respect old g n r lineup.
but also am very proud of axl today.

In going with this theme...

if GNR did a Rammstein-type tour like they are doing in May - it would be a huge success IMO.

Rammstein is playing (1) date in the following markets:
New York, Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Edmonton, Seattle, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

If GNR did one date in the following markets:
New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle, Las Vegas, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, and Minneapolis.

That's a perfect 10 date run for the USA. Not to mention you can find dates in NON-Live Nation/TM venues and sell tickets independently or even through other services as TicketFly and avoid the whole Live Nation/Azoff mess.

: ok:

I think this talk about U.S. fans not deserving a tour is absurd.  If you are an American saying this, you should be ashamed of yourself.  I would love to see this lineup in concert. This is the best of the new lineup.

D, where in my post did I say that I feel this way?  Where did I say that U.S fans dont deserve a GNR tour?  I was talking  public perception of the band in this country.  The media especially only reports on the band if A. there is reunion talk or B. Axl shows up real late and pisses off a bunch of people.  They only focus on things detrimental to the band in its current state, therefore I dont blame GNR for not  chomping at the bit to play here.

D, you said I should reassess myself, explain.  I never said anything negative about the band past, present or future.  You also said my post was a "complete fallacy", explain that one as well.  Are you telling saying you know my friends better than I do?

My point was GNR is not treated fairly in this country, either by the media or majority of rock fans.  You are going to tell me otherwise?

U are acting like US Fans aren't supportive of GNR etc.

Let me ask all u GNR fans a question:

When was the last time a US fan hit the band with bottles of piss?

When was the last time US fans booed like crazy?

So lets get over this European love fest and only fans outside of the US love this band. Its complete bullshit.

U do realize GNR sold over 600 thousand copies of Chinese Democracy in the US. if u check the numbers of albums these days here, especially ROCK cds, that is pretty fucking good. throw in the lack of promo, no hit single/video/tour and best buy exclusive... that is a pretty phenomenal amount.

u may get the occasional where's Slash thing here but honestly, the person screaming that probably is the one redneck that honestly didn't know Slash wasn't in the band. yes Im being serious. there are actually people in the US who don't know. I know plenty of people who are pretty shocked when i tell them there is a new lineup.

Bodhi u act like u forgot the entire firs tparagraph of your post. did i misread that? if so.. i don't know how else i am suppose to interpret that.

People here don't purposelly want them to fail,but i can't blame any GNR fan for wanting to see the original lineup one more time. its no disrespect to the new band.. hell as i mentioned ,they are one of the 3 or 4 best bands of all time.  Its like saying u wouldn't wanna see a Zep reunion or a Floyd reunion. doesn't mean people don't still support Roger Waters or David Gilmour. but they'd like to see it as a fan.

Not complete bullshit.

Some elements are wrong, yes.

It's pretty simple. Most of the English speaking fans on the Internet, as well as the English speaking media, are based in North America.

The vocal minority often gets noticed first. The ones who scream the loudest.


What you can't deny is the fact that in many places, that aren't the USA, people are less concerned about what's "cool". Sorry if that offends any of you US fans.

It's my personal impression of how things seem to be.


I also find it funny that you feel offended about these remarks posted by Bodhi. To me you come across as a good example of what he was talking about.

One minute you're all supportive, and the next you're not.  :hihi:





/jarmo

Before I get offended lol, what do you mean by "what's cool"?

Follow trends.

Or decide what's cool and what's not based on the media's opinion.





/jarmo

agreed with Jarmo, is it any wonder they haven't played the US yet?

they need to BRAND CD big time, as well as the band or at least release some music video(s) or a new song, something/anything.

USA is all about image/whats hot now, that much is obvious.

Thats actually a huge misconception. I always Support GNR, Don't always agree with certain things, but that isn't necessarily being "unsupportive."

I'm never going to, regardless of what band i worship, swallow everything they say or do just because. If I don't agree with something I'm going to let it be known. I'm that way with everything be it a band,family member, friend.. Just because i love something, doesn't mean i always have to agree with everything or love everything.

See my FB post to Bon Jovi slamming them for their outrageous hypocritical ticket prices.

or see my Slash post after the the Super Bowl or Grammys etc.

It seems we're talking about three things here.  The fans who attend shows, people who post on the message boards, and the media.

At the show I attended in 2006, GNR went on shortly before midnight.  Everyone sat quietly and waited for the show to start -- when it did, they were cheering and singing along so loudly at times I could barely hear Axl sing.

I guess I just don't like to see sweeping generalizations regarding U.S. fans.

Agree completely Monkey.

Remember that whole incident in Ireland and how pissed Irish fans got when people were on here doing what they do in regards to that?
same here. sure some places maybe, but I don't remember GNR ever having a problem in the big markets here. Tell me if i am wrong please. but they sold out Boston,Detroit,Chicago,New York etc. no bullshit, those small market cities in the middle of nowhere, i guarantee u, some don't know there is a new band. So they fully expect to see whats on the inside sleeve of Appetite.

I would imagine ,Axl would want to tour here but I'd say that whole lawsuit with Irving is probably holding that up.

there's over 300 million people in the U.S. so yeah, think of any generalization about people, and in some respect, you'll find it in the U.S. nothing surprising there. i'd even venture to guess that in much smaller countries, you will find segments of people that are heavily focused on "what's cool."

also remember, although the media has alot of power and influence, that doesn't mean everything they report is true.

another obvious example is metallica. they have been anything but cool in the last 10+ years. they have been ripped in the media, criticized EXTENSIVELY by their fans (yes, all bands have fans that are negative), and were even spit on by a "fan." if you listened to the vocal haters, you would think they couldn't sell out anywhere. yet they have massive success.
 
here's a question....in what countries did Chinese Democracy sell better than in the U.S.?

It's my personal opinion. It's not true for everybody in the USA. Of course not.

Just like it's not true that everyone in Germany loves the Hoff!  :hihi:



/jarmo

I'll agree that the US for the most part has a horrendous taste in music.  Rock is dead, at least in a contemporary sense.  All that pop crap rules the airwaves.  But, established rock acts can, and do still tour successfully in the US.  They toured the US in 2002 and 2006 without any glaring incidents (outside of the Philly show that didn't take place).  And the shows sold fairly well, for the most part.  Not like South America obviously, but decent, especially the large markets.  In the meantime, I've heard PLENTY of stories of unruly fan conduct from other countries they've played in.  I've read PLENTY of harsh reviews from other countries. 

So stop with the, the US doesn't respect GNR and the rest of the world does.  I don't buy it.

Are you sure about that jarmo, he seems to go down a storm there. It might be everyone's duty in Germany to listen to the Hoff as soon as they can walk.  :yes:

The fact that there hasn't been in a US tour has less to do with ticket sales and more to do with every venue being owned by LiveNation which is owned by Azoff. These same venues are gonna have no tolerance for not taking the stage until 11 pm. Also, the last 2 US tours ended with a bunch of canceled dates.

I don't think it has much to do with "what's cool". I think it's fans expectations.
Guns N' Roses is a great band. In my opinion, very few can put on a show like these guys.
That doesn't change the fact that it's an entirely different group of musicians than the band people grew up with. They just happen to share the same name and lead singer.
It's a new band, that is unfortunately asked to live up to the legacy of another's.
Most people I know were underwhelmed to say the least with Chinese Democracy, and the 12 or so friends that I convinced to go to the live shows were there to hear the classic material.
I was the only one of my friends excited to hear Street of Dreams live for the first time.
Obviously Chinese Democracy made some new fans of GNR.
The sooner some fans let go of their unrealistic expectations of what other fans should think, the sooner they will stop being disappointed.
This is the same situation as any band. I pretty much jump at any chance I get to see a band, or a member of that band live. A lot of people do, but most people don't.
I saw the lead guitarist of the Rolling Stones in a place that holds maybe 500 people. They are arguably the biggest rock band of all time. If it was the full lineup, fans would come out in droves.
So I don't think it's "what's cool". It has more to do with the fact that they were never a fan of this latest lineup to begin with, so it's unrealistic to expect them to buy tickets to see a band they were never a fan of. If the original lineup went on tour, fans of the original lineup would come in droves, and you can pretty much say that about any band.

not to speculate, but I'd imagine the lawsuit definitely has to have a big role in this. If GNR book a tour with Livenation and Irving, does it sort of hurt their case cause Irving could say "See, we are doing business with GNR, so obviously we weren't hurting them"

I'd rather Axl win the lawsuit than tour here, but I just hope we never have another one of those quiet/dry spells we went through pre Chinese Democracy. I can understand taking some time off from this very successful/great tour they just completed, but I hope there are at least some preliminary plans in place for either another tour or possible album.

I really do love this lineup of GNR, its pretty documented that I didn't care for a previous guitar player, but DJ really solidifies this lineup and was definitely the missing link imo.So i definitely want to hear what this lineup can do musically on a cd.

Do you not think that in the majority of cases they're not a fan of this line-up to begin with because of misconceptions from the media, etc. though? I'm sure that a lot of these people would be fans of this line-up if they were willing to give them a chance, because I've seen it happen at European shows. I wouldn't say it's the same of all US fans, that they expect to be given a reason to see a band - like a song in the charts, positive reviews in the media etc. But I do think the people who will go to see a band just for the hell of going out to see a band are in the minority in the US, whilst they're not so much a minority in Europe. There are a lot of bands who will tour Europe when they have nothing to promote for exactly this reason... they're more likely to get a decent turn-out.

(I agree that the lawsuit is probably what's holding up a US tour for Guns more than any of the above reasons, though).

I personally don't know anyone who cares what the media has to say about bands they listen to. There isn't a whole lot of talk about rock music in general in the states anyways.
I think there are different reasons that go into it. People are watching their $ these days. Some don't care for the new material, band members. Some fans probably won't go because there's no Slash, some won't go because there's no Buckethead etc. No doubt in my mind they are missing a hell of a show regardless, but it doesn't strike me as strange that people aren't interested.
I agree it seems like people overseas seem more likely to go see a show for the hell of it though. Always seems to be great shows/festivals going on over there.

When you really think about it though, GNR has survived lineup changes like few other bands could. If you look at Metallica, even most diehards would admit that they essentially stopped making good music back in '91, but the core members are still intact, and they sell out stadium tours. Then you take Megadeth, who in my opinion is far superior live, and they have a hard time filling clubs. I think having original faces goes a long way. Considering how many people come and go with GNR, they seem to do better than most in their position.

Most of the media is biased against the band.

Most of the media we all can read and understand, is English speaking. That's what gets noticed.

Those rare times when the so called journalists can get over the fact that the old band is gone and review a show based on what it is, instead of what it isn't, the reviews have been great.

Nobody goes to see the Rolling Stones and expects the show to be the same as when they played the same city 40 years ago!


Some people hold a grudge against the band. And since English is the language we all understand, and the USA has a lot of people, that's the impression many people have of the USA. Simple as that.

Add to that the fact that many of the Internet fans trolls are based in English speaking countries, such as the USA, and you might not wonder why people have the wrong idea about your country...


/jarmo

It also has to be brought up the perception of Axl no showing,being late,riots etc.

It definitely has been demonized by the media and i def think that scares people away. Like, am i gonna spend hundreds of dollars on travel,hotel,tickets,food etc and there be a possibility Axl won't even show.

Very rarely actually, if u compare shows to cancellations has that ever happened, but that is definitely a perception put out there by the media and i think it has a huge effect.

if u look at all the major rock bands that still sell out stadiums/arenas etc, things in common are they are relatively "safe" great track records, and have had mainly positive media relations.

I've told my Aerosmith story 20 times, but they canceled on me twice last mintue,  both times i lost hundreds of dollars. Guess what? If Aerosmith comes down the street next year... chances are, I'm not going and Aerosmith are one of my fave bands of all time... but, I just won't take that chance ever again.

I agree.  That makes more sense than the band holding up a tour because of what's been said in the media or on the message boards.  And I just checked and there has been recent court activity with the Azoff lawsuit -- as of right now, it's still heading to trial.

So now Dj, Ron and Tommy have all commented that they are talking about doing a U.S. tour.  I think it was Ron who said it's not easy to put together.


Since everyone of these messages boards posts in English, I don't know which "English speaking trolls" are from the USA, or other countries.  But like you said, then people have the wrong idea about U.S. fans.

The wonders of the Internet. Where a guy you wouldn't normally pay any attention to becomes an idolized "expert" among a group of people.

Anybody can hide behind a screen name/anonymity and spew shit he/she wouldn't without the help of anonymity.

Suddenly it doesn't matter that you're a 16 year old and have limited knowledge of the "real" world. People will still pay attention to what you say...



That's just an example. I don't mean to offend any teenagers. I've met a bunch of cool GN'R fans who weren't even born when the band first started.

To me it doesn't matter where you're from or how old you are, if you support GN'R, it's all that matters.  : ok:





/jarmo

I agree with the "wonders of the internet" where people you normally wouldn't pay attention to can become an "idolized expert among a group of people" -- we've seen that lately, haven't we.

But I don't think the internet trolls, English or otherwise, have anything to do with the plans for a United States tour.  It probably goes more to a perception of what people think about U.S. fans, on the internet anyway.

It happens all the time.

Nothing specific to a certain event.



Not necessarily.

But the point is that if you just take a quick look at what people from the US say about the band, you might get the impression that the US fans aren't the most supportive. Now I'm not saying that's right.

Because I know there's a quiet minority in the USA who doesn't spend their free time posting shit about the band and trying to cause drama.

Add to that the US (English speaking) media, as I mentioned earlier, and it's no wonder some think "US fans don't deserve a tour". Which I also think is bullshit.

You don't play for the vocal minority of unhappy Internet trolls who probably won't attend any shows anyway or the biased media, who are quick to put anybody who doesn't play their game, down.



/jarmo

I guess my point is, maybe "some" US fans say things about the band -- but you can't form an impression about all US fans based on just some.


I think it's safe to say the majority of people in the USA don't spend their free time posting shit about the band and trying to cause drama. ;D

Please pay attention to the bold part.


I just explained to you why it's easy to come to that conclusion.





/jarmo

I am paying attention, you're saying it's not right.  But you keep saying "people from the US say" -- and I'm pointing out "some" people from the US say that.


And when I say "you", I mean people in general -- not you.

I think it's fair to say that the US is one of GN'Rs harshest markets, don't ask me why but that's how I feel. Maybe Europe, Asia and Australia treat GN'R like gods, is because Guns are from somewhere far away and are not that easily accessable, than that of fans in the US.

I also think that GN'Rs style of rock n' roll is more stronger recognised in Europe for example, than in the US, we just seem to appreciate it more than the US. Don't ask me why again, but even Axl has stated in interviews that in the US it's a much tougher road.

But I also want to say that for all of those people afforementioned, there are thousands and thousands of hardcore fans too. It just doesn't seem as strong in the US, than that of other parts of the world, where Guns N' Roses is seen as one of the wonders of the world.  8)

Yeah.  It's a shame that in the USA we don't do cool stuff like overseas where youze throw bottles full of piss at your fav bands.  ::)

Here we go, Gypsy's off on one again.  ::)

Anyone can pick out specific incidents, like I could say "wow, I wish in Europe when GN'R are late or cancel, we do cool things like the US does like tear the arena down, and smash the place up and set things on fire".  :yes:

But I'm not childish, I was giving my honest opinion on something Axl agrees with, about the US being a tougher market than the rest of the world for Guns.  : ok:

Gypsy and I agreeing, this is scary but yeah dead on.

That would be like US fans looking at Download 2006 and Ireland 2010 and making a huge generalization saying European fans hate GNR.

In reality, it may have been one person throwing a bottle of piss.. so does 1 person represent the tens of thousands at the concert?

Same with the US, it may be one dumbass yelling something about Slash.. but that hardly represents the entire country.

I do agree with Jarmo about Trolls BUT when Axl himself FEEDS the troll, I am sorry but that only encourages more Troll like behavior. Axl didn't hurt anybody's feelings blasting them on the internet, Hell I'd imagine most of these trolls online would wear it as a badge of honor if they could get a tongue lashing from Axl.

Trolls attend concerts also, and its no different than the Hecklers at sporting events, they want attention... but I don't think being an asshole is exclusive to the US.

I'm American and agree with you.  One idiot in Dublin was not representative of all of Dublin or all of Europe.  Unfortunately, from the band's perspective, they have to watch out for their safety and hence send a clear message that throwing things will not be tolerated by walking off stage.

The US is a tougher market than the rest of the world for GN'R.  That is true.  That doesn't mean that all Americans are hostile towards the band.  But, yes, I agree that hard rock isn't as big here in the US as it once was.  The airwaves are dominated by different kinds of acts these days.

Ali

I don't. I just pointed out WHY some might do so. Simply because sometimes the loudest ones are those negative trolls and the biased media.

Simple as that.






/jarmo

And the reason that rock isn't as big here in the US as it once was is only because 98% of what's being released in this genre SUCKS!!!  Besides maybe the last Pearl Jam cd, how many other "rock bands" put out anything half decent recently?

"Pop rock" is always going to dominate the market.  Hip-hop/rap also has it own "dedicated" market.  For "hard rock" to make any real impact on the market, they really have to fight for it.

And by "you" I mean people in general -- not you.

I guess I just don't want to be lumped in with any, what do you call them, "two faced keyboard warriors." :hihi:


Fixed it, but I guess either could work. :hihi:

Warriors!  :hihi:

I can pretty much say im a keyboard warrior, i write words as fast as Speedy Gonzales :rofl:

One thing is true, the US fans never got over the break up, neither have i, and im from Portugal, but they still sell out shows in NY in less than an hour! And other places too. Its a great market for GNR.

I think they're just taking the time off to deal with the Manager issue. They have to find a new guy, Doc is out!

Other countries seem more into how should I say... those from yesteryear. Its overly generalizing but the proof is out there. Those making comebacks have there biggest successes oversees. Its not just with GN'R. Look at Jackson's This is it tour movie. That shit was for oversees shows... and for a reason.

The difference is those in So Cal. Us old school gunners who were there from day one. Watching our boys tearing through the clubs on Sunset and on through to Stoned in L.A. None of you from different countries can possibly understand. Being on the journey from the very beginning. I can tell you Axl and Gn'R mean a lot to us. Some of the comments from some of you are really kind of offensive to us fans and are downright naive and sometimes moronic. GN'R were forged from our blood and sand and did there battles in our arena's. Nothing can change that fact, and what that means to us here. I dig GN'R so much that I would give it all up for just another album of equal quality to Chinese Democracy. I dig Axl that much. His music had my back growing up. If somehow it meant for whatever reason to Axl that touring in other countries was more fun then here but in return he would have the time to craft another masterpiece and get it to us sooner, I would just say thank you and godspeed. To me his music far outweighs anything else. Just come out and say it.

I would dare Axl to pull a Beatles. I would fucking dare him to just concentrate now on just the music. Really think about it. Sometimes it seems those of you from other countries would go see anyone regardless even if they just came out and did show tunes.

Anyway Axl. I fucking love you man in a totally heterosexual way. I cannot wait for the next album. I would totally respect you for taking one long hiatus from doing live shows and just record as much as possible these next 2 years.

Love the Spartacus reference Buddha.

I agree that older acts find much more success overseas.  In my opinion that simply means they have better taste.  I am a 40 year old America that was there from the beginning as well and I'm proud that GNR are from the USA.  But I am also jealous that our friends overseas seems to maintain good taste while my own culture turns to pop crap like Spears and Bieber. 

PC

Unfortunately, Spears and Bieber are huge successes all over the world. It's not only Americans who listen to them.
I think it comes down to Geography... the USA is huge, with the population spread out over the entire area. In some areas of the country, there will be years before a band plays anywhere people could realistically get to without having to fly. One state is roughly equivalent to an entire country in Europe. So when they play Europe, it's easier for people all over the country to get to any show wherever they play... at most it will take a few hours in a car or on the train. So not only are people in Europe more likely to go to a show for the hell of it, it's pretty easy for them to be able to do so.

It kind of confuses me, because nine times out of ten, when a band tours america they play one date in every state they go to. But a much smaller country like England - where I live - sometimes gets ten shows all over the country.

Spears and Bieber will not be more popular in Europe until 10 years from now when people in the United States have long stopped giving a fuck about them.

Really? I suppose the fact that their tours and records are just successful over here as they are in the states is not proof that they're more popular. You really can not compare the fanbase's, as they're both marketed to completely different people... and all kinds of people can be found all over the world. It isn't as simple as "European = Better Taste"... I sincerely wish that this were the case, but it isn't. People in the US get a really skewed impression of the UK and Europe, and tend to believe that their taste in everything is better... probably from all of those commercials that say "The number one product in Europe", when no one in Europe has even heard of the product being advertised.

I never understood this argument.  The pop element has always been there.  Even when GNR were the biggest rock band in the world, New Kids on the Block, Vanilla Ice and MC hammer were still outselling them here in the states.  People act as though Americans being into pop music is a new thing. 

It's not a NEW thing, but rock has never been as much of a non factor as it is today, here in the US.  This past year there wasn't a single ROCK album in the top 25 albums sold.  I think Kings of Leon was the top rock album sold, coming in at #28.  Pop music was and always has been big, hence the name Popular, but back in the day rock music went toe to toe with pop music for the most part.  Nowadays it isn't even close.  That's the difference.

It's sad but true.
Rock is dead here in the states, but if young bands decided to make good music again, it could make a comeback.
Rock was dead in '87 before GNR breathed new life into it.
Seems like young bands are content making safe, generic, hardly passable for rock, music with no balls.

It's sad that you almost have to rely on reunions of past bands, and the veterans to keep it alive.
There's no one to pass the torch to.

It's not dead. It's just not in the mainstream. If it were dead, no one would be playing it, and there are plenty of people making a perfectly good living out of playing it. It just takes more effort for you to find them.

What I mean is, if there were another Guns N' Roses out there, I'm pretty sure they'd find there way to the mainstream.
I know there are always going to be good bands to be found, and not all of them are going to make it big, but there are very few new bands out there today that excite me.
In fact I can't name any. Open to suggestions though!

Nikki Sixx just confirmed that SIXX AM are touring in support of Motley Crue this summer...



(someone asked)
NIKKI!!! DO YOU REALISE THAT YOU'VE TOLD EVERYBODY THAT SIXX:AM ARE TOURING THIS SUMMER???

>>Hey Nikki, Will Sixx AM be touring with Motley, Poison and the NY Dolls this summer?
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Blu..Yes sir....Please dont get there late...The Dolls are not to be missed..Nikki..great night for rock n roll<<


So unless Nikki just formatted his response wrong...DJ seems to be busy.


*EDIT* Nikki confirmed it was a mistake!

Bummer!!

That sucks. Would love to see the Dolls live again, but can't support the rest of that bill.

If there's going to be a band that does what Guns N' Roses did again, they wouldn't sound a thing like Guns N' Roses, and a lot of GN'R fans would think they're shit. As evidenced by the most successful rock bands of today being labelled as shit... they're doing what GN'R did back in the day, but because they're aimed at the younger generation and not to the generation that got into Guns, they don't sound like them.

There are a lot of Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath fans who hated Guns, too...

exactly, it is out there just not as mainstream as it used to be.  Avenged Sevenfold topped the Billboard Chart  last summer and has been playing sold out arena's all over the country, however you wont really hear them on any mainstream stations.  They are able to achieve this because they have a rabid fan base, I have seen them 17 times myself.  The younger bands are there, but they are not embraced by the media.  A7X are one of the only young bands who play GNR, Metallica, Megadeth style hard rock/metal music that are doing so well.  Most of the "rock" bands that do well in this country are Nickelback and Daughtry, who really are just boy bands with guitars.

Nikki Sixx cleared up his statement from before...


I accidentally responded to a post that SIXX:AM would be on this summer's Motley Crue tour. This is not true....I misread the post. Obviously, you shouldn't go on Facebook before 5 cups of coffee in the morning. :-)
Nikki

well thats a relief.

If the lawsuit is holding things up, the trial is scheduled for April 26th.  Hopefully after that's over, we'll hear about the plans. :)

Id say the lawsuit is pretty cut and dry as to why.

as i stated earlier, its hard to do business with someone u are in a court battle with. GNR have to keep the sense of Irving Sabotaging them. U can't exactly walk into a courtroom and claim that if u are currently on a Livenation promoted tour.

I will say I do love European/Japanese fans taste more than US fans. I fucking HATE trend chasers and people who are frontrunners who like whats popular. I dig how European/Japanese fans etc like what they like and fuck everybody else. That has always been my attitude.

when people were buying flannel at the mall, i was still cranking my Bon Jovi,GNR,Kiss and Prince proudly. Fuck trends.

Its weird to think that it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for any group/band to sell what Appetite did. It can't happen. Not in today's world where everyone is downloading motherfuckers. Eminem's albums was one of last years great success stories at 2+ million sold and that was a far cry from his earlier albums.

Strange times. But it is a fact that there will NEVER be another rock group then can come anywhere close to GNR in there hay day. It just can't happen. How many albums has Justin Beiber's album sold? 3.2 million copies, and 7 million downloads of one of his shitty songs.

Appetite (18 million +) and the Illusion albums (combined 30 + million) would jump out the fucking window if they only sold as much as Beiber's album has. What the fuck is any future band going to be able to sell. Not much. Its a different world.

Good point....i hadn't even thought of it from that perspective.