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On Saturday 5th February 2011, @axlrose (http://www.twitter.com/axlrose) said:

Contrary to anyone's claims there are no concrete plans nor were there ever for a tour, a relaunch or sponsors (n' certainly not to replace anyone in the band) beyond a collection of random ideas thrown out by various individuals w/out any real foundation or negotiations in place other than our prior involvements (which wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put together). And 4 the record Doc McGhee is no longer involved w/either myself or GN'R.

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axlrose
N' b4 it's twisted "prior involvements" has nothing to do with old GN"R.

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/jarmo

Nice answer. Hope that pile of shit dont ever try anything else to mess with the GNR community.

Very interesting.  Thanks for the clarification.  :yes:

I specialy like the last part  : ok:

Wow, I really cant believe theres STILL people believing in that pile of crap because of Axl's comments on Doc. Jesus, really? Those people could just try to use a little of their defunct brain.

Man, that pisses me off.

Amen!

I hope we dont have to hear from that 'fat idiot' ever again, he might of got the doc mcghee part right, but if you take a stab in the darkness enough times, soon you will hit something.

so....not much goin on the next months?

I feel sad that there`s no plans for a tour specialy as he seemed to be having a blast, as for the Doc part i kind of thought he`d stepped into help them out after they`d been left high n dry by Azoff so maybe that`s not really a big deal, the problem is from the media side it looks like "oh guns lost or fired another manager"
I hope there are some plans to do something this year it would be a shame not to carry on the momentum i think myself and alot of people on the forum were already planning a road trip so i feel doubly sad.Good wishes Axl don`t lose these guys there brilliant keep going forward never go back  :-*

gnr has a reputation with managers so it's actualy no wonder he's gone already although it's a shame cause he was one of the best or not the best!

No, he said "there are no concrete plans nor were there ever for a tour". It means the obvious - that they didn't put togheter a tour yet. It means nothing more than this.

so? i stand by my word:
"when looking to GN'Rs history this could very well be a longer silent period of time"

I'm happy it's all bullshit, because all I've read wasn't very smart...

1) a relaunch? bad idea. especially with Bestbuy, we already saw how it went, no need to do twice the same mistakes.

2) a Better remix with DJ on guitar? no need to insult the writer of this song (Robin) this way, and I didn't see the point.

3) replacing Tommy by Duff? well, I like Duff of course, but since it's not Tommy's decision to quit...I don't see why he could be fired, and Tommy is cool and has done a lot for the band.

4) "blood in the water" ? Duff used the sentence after he played with the band as guest. Mister Wrestler has no big imagination.


thanks Axl to clarify the shit. and since there's no concrete plans, it could be great to have some "new" songs released online,
like Billy Corgan do on the Smashing Pumpkins website for example.

I'm actually very surprised about Doc not being involved with GN'R any longer. He was at the Manchester show and seemed to be taking a vast interest with Guns, also remember that photo of him laughing with the band at the table.

As far as everything else, whatever. Axl doesn't deserve to have to defend himself to internet gossips, but I'm happy he has cleared this stuff up.

Of course as a GN'R fan, I'm dissapointed by there not being any plans for a tour or anything so it seems. But that is something that has been going on for a while, on and off. So we just have to ride through the storm, and take the good with the bad I suppose.  :)

Axl rules!

B-Day man !  Please Rock n Rio 2011 !

People like this troll are getting way too much undeserved attention on online forums. The thing that bothers me is people actually believe in all the crap he's saying based on a few "documents" that aren't even real.

And since this guy is obviously talented for manipulating other people online he somehow finds a way to explain every thing that happens or doesn't happen and tells you it's because of him or his "documents".

Things like this should be stopped at the beginning, because we all know if you tell the same lie a 1000 times people start to believe it. It's a good thing Axl reacted and stopped all this, but if were to comment on every bullshit rumour that happens online he wouldn't have time to even sleep not to mention do something related to the band.

And also regarding the rumours about Tommy - I think he deserves a little bit more respect. He's been in the band for 13 years, a lot more than some other people have and he's been loyal & devoted to the band for all his time there. Starting bullshit like him beeing fired or quitting the band is a big slap in the face.

Ok. From what I gather, someone is spreading false rumors about GNR. Doc McGee is out. Am I correct? Are the false rumors related to the tour?  Just try to piece it altogether b/c I'm not entirely sure what Axl's Twitter was about.

I'm just speculating, but there seems to be problems with setting up a tour here in the states-I'm curious as to who is managing the band now-if Doc can't get it done, I'm not sure who can-he's been in the business for years.

r.e.: the U.S tour:

It would seem obvious to me that if G'N'R are going to do a tour in America this year, then it will more than likely be in arenas, not stadiums. Realistically in this financial time, your going to have less punters coming to see the band, so a run of stadiums is a big risk for a band that has had bad press recently. Tours in arenas tend to be in the winter because A. You don't want to be competing against the big stadium gigs and festivals tha need good weather, and B. Because it's indoors, you can play in inclement weather.

So I wouldn't discount the idea of Guns touring this year yet. But impatience seems to follow this band no matter what their song asks for.

I think the stadium tour was something Irving Azroff had promised GNR a couple years ago with Van Halen-that's dead in the water-it was mentioned in Axl's lawsuit.

I think there is a fine line between wanting to listen to or read everything that leaks, and disrespecting the band. As a supporter of the band I obviously want to hear all the material the right way, the way GN'R wants it released. But I'm not going to lie and say that I won't be at least curious about anything that should potentialy come to light unofficially, and I don't see that as a bad thing.

Some people like to think they have the moral high ground because they say that's not a fan. But in reality it won't be normal for a fan to not be interested by anything to do with the band in which they love so much. And I would like to stress again, of course as a supporter of the band, I would prefer anything that should come to the surface to be released officially.

I think we need to stop critising fans just because they are addicted to GN'R and crave everything and anything that is available. There is a fine line between that and purposely going out and seeking to ruin everything with leaks, propaganda etc.

 ???

I am all confused, what the hell been happening ?

Problem is GNR fans seem to think that everything revolves around them and to their liking, and if things aren't going on it is assumed oh god shit, something must be wrong. Blah blah whine whine. Seriously how many bands get harassed as GNR do, by the supposed true fans, does anyone care or bitch and moan about other bands like some do here,? Probably not, but in the end Axl and GNR come though! Whinny bitches need to stop and get off for awhile. I'm not interested in trying to have a 'nice" dialog with some here, but those who know me:) Know me. And all the BS and crap that people like to speculate about , get off your soap box! Jesus Christ the band isn't allowed a break, and just be normal for a few months after a yr of touring?

The same here. I had asked this before in this thread. Not exactly sure what is going on or the exact issues. One of which seems to be the tour.

Impatience?

You don't waiting think 2+ years (and counting) for a US tour to materialize after we waited 14 years for an album is excessive?

Frank said Fall 2010, Ashba said Feb 2011 ...

Gawain: Are you serious???

Axl basically just said that there are not, nor were there ever plans for a tour.  ::)

You're weird.

"...and if things aren't going on it is assumed [by fans] oh god shit, something must be wrong..."

well, if a well-known manager (again) has to leave/left then there is any right to think that something went wrong. when being without managment again its also a normal thing to fear that any next step for this band might be harder to organize and stuff which leads to more delays in plans, its not much of speculation. and honestly no matter how much fans like CD and the 2009/10 shows you dont really want long times off, do you? yeah, off course we arent owned anything and they need breaks, bla bla, but there is so much small stuff which could easily be done in non-release/non-tour-periods (see my post above), why not taking a little effort into that? it'd be more of a win-win situation. you call it whining, others call it constructive critism.

Tommy's Twitter on Dec. 14th was not very encouraging-I would like to see him stay in the band, I hope he was half joking with the have not been fired yet, have not quit tweet.

I cleaned up this thread because as usual, people who stay quiet when the band is active, show up to whine about inactivity.





/jarmo

Well, after all, nothing really changed.

Last week was ridiculous. "The most ridiculous week on GNR history". Not really. GNR had nothing to do with that. It was fans trolling other fans.
All we got is that Doc is not the manager anymore.

Axl did much taking time to talk about that. Nothing really changes. If last week hadn't happen on GNR world, would be the same thing.

Now we wait for the future plans.  8)

You're reading what you want to believe.  I take that to mean that there were never any concrete plans, wheels in motion, dates and venues confirmed for a US tour.  Not that they have never even thought of touring the US.  I'm sure they've been trying to get something going, but for whatever reason it's taken some time and we're still not there yet.  If you want to go and believe that Axl hates his fans in the US and therefore is purposely avoiding touring here, be my guest.  That's just not how I choose to see it.

They've been without management before and it didn't seem to slow things down.  Is it an ideal situation?  Of course not.  But they started the tour in Taiwan/Japan without management.  Doc came onboard along the way and they really didn't skip a beat.  I'm sure they've been talking to other potential managers and they're not just sitting by the wayside feeling sorry for themselves.  Maybe Doc is out because he couldn't deliver what they wanted in a timeframe they saw fit and maybe they're now searching for someone who can.  That's pure speculation, but I really don't think the fact that they fired Doc is a reason to get all pessimistic about the future.  If I'm proven to be wrong, so be it, but I don't see this as a huge hurdle.

Management issues did cause things to slow down, resulting in Axl's lawsuit against Arzoff-according to Axl is caused the album to suffer, as well as a potential Van Halen tour.

Well it seems that it slowed things down at the beginning, though at the same time we may have gotten Chinese Democracy earlier because of management even though the next year certainly seemed to be effected by issues with Azoff.  But in between Azoff and Doc there didn't seem to be too much of a slow down in progress.  Again, it's obviously not an ideal situation and I certainly don't think it speeds anything up.  But at the same time I don't think it's a reason to get too concerned at the moment.  Now if we go on a few more months and see or hear of no progress then I might start to worry.  But the band just got through a year plus of touring a little more than a month ago.  So let's not jump the gun, that's all I'm saying.

To those who don't have English as their first language, Axl says there were never any finalized (concrete means something that's not imaginary) plans for a tour, a re-release, sponsors or plans to replace anybody in the band. He says there were ideas, but they were nothing more than just ideas. For example, we can all have ideas about things in life, but to make them into reality, we need to work on them. You can't just say "here's where GN'R should tour". It's not that easy. It takes more work.

Then he says Doc McGhee is not managing Axl or GN'R.




I hope that explained it.


/jarmo

cooĺ, thank you a lot jarmo...i don't know why did axl have a plans to replace tommy?tommy is amazing

He didn't.




/jarmo

I think there were never any plans or ideas to replace anyone in the band. I think there were tour ideas, but Axl seemed strongly against the notion anyone in the band was gonna ever be replaced.

Ali

Very vague. I'm not reading into anything, I just wish Axl would give a more defined answer or statement. I'd like to know his thoughts on all of this.

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Jarmo...is English YOUR first language???? lol

And btw.....for the record, that fat bastard we're all railing against now claimed he had "Jackie Chan, AND The General".

Last I checked, weren't those two the same songs? lol

The guy is a phony.

And it's typical to hear Americans bitch and moan about there being no tour. You don't hear the rest of the planet complaining do ya?

Hehe...sorry...had to.....

Anyway, lets all go back to our daily lives of enjoying the music, speculating in a positive way, and bugging the shit outta BBF whenever we can think of some inane reason to contact him.

Ok...that last part might just be me.

Maybe it's vague because there's nothing concrete, and Axl doesn't want to lay everything on the table with whats going on in the GnR camp because a) he doesn't want to get our hopes up, b) there really is nothing he can report, and c) it's none of our business what goes on behind closed doors if they don't want us to know

i guess he just said what he felt he needed to say.... short, sharp and to the point.
the more he says the more lines there are to read between i guess!!

Yep, short and to the point is what we need and what we got.

or all hell breaks with interpretation.  ;)

I have stayed largely quiet on this but hey, it's Saturday night and what better to give me opinion.

Quite simply...bands, business and organisations makes plans on a daily, weekly basis.  There is constantly plans afoot for a variety of things.  My business has multiple plans on the go at any one time - why would GNR be any different?

However....and this is the point......plans dont always work out.  They dont work out for a number of reasons - finance, timing, no support from outside sources, bad ideas.  Just because something is planned does not means that it is set in stone. 

So the fact that MSL claims to have all of these plans for 2011, what in fact he most probably has is discussions about possible plans - what might happen, what could be positive moves.  Doesnt mean that they will, should, could happen.

I agree with you in my buisnes is the same we have plenty of ideas trhwon around, and plenty of posible options for the near future and also diferent posibilites and outcome swe mention in our emails and talks between the diferent partners and peole that are involved in the organization of the busines.. one thing is for sure if someone tried to do what that guy is doing which is pretty much Blackmai, we would probably raise hell about it (legaly)

The whole powerpoint thing he had was probably some ideas thrown by someone on the table. They made a presentation (hence the powerpoint) but they didn't go through with it.

If MSL tries to sell an article based on ideas, or brainstorming, then he'll be the biggest asshole in GN'R history...

remember Axl saying words to the effect, if you wanna live your life clinging onto a situation that you can't control, go ahead that's your responsibility not his. Well this falls into the same edit, hang on to the words of the un-connected if you wish, when there's something to report you'll hear it then..... In the meantime, get on with living.

Well, obviously guns n roses in last 10 years had a bad menagment...Axl and guys put put some briliant cd in 2008, and there were no commercial for it...in the other hand gnr had succesufull tour in 2010, but stuff could be gone better with better promotion especially for the new guys (for example here in Serbia months before the show promo was very negativ e and bad, but after show thing changed and every word was how they great, and gnr show was the show of the year. I'm sure gnr can fill out stadium in Serbia now).So for me, Axl have done good move ...

From Tommy Stinson:

In case anyone was wondering... Axl has not fired me as of yet, and i have not quit GNR. Let's not start running amok here.

Feb 4th via TweetDeck

@Tommy_stinson hey man how are you? Is everything Ok w/ you n GnR? I hope so...Hug from Lisbon.

Tommy Stinson: @_Ana_Melo all is well here. i'm still in.

Feb 4th via TweetDeck in reply to _Ana_Melo

Thank you Tommy!!! Thats all I wanted to hear, and in those words!

But again, were working on Axl time. It happens when it happens. Plus, when you add in the economy, and those slots in between other bands touring, you'll have to wait until this tour is going to be a success.

And trust me, over here in England, we are well aware of having to wait for bands to come over and play for us.

Same here.

Axl cool man. Whatever it takes to get a follow up to CD to us as soon as humanly possible. If that means no tour this year, fine. Having said that, I can't wait for you to come back home rocking the fuck out of Southern motherfucking California. Thank you.

Hello.

So, if it's all in some other thread, feel free to point me in the correct direction, but if not...

Can someone please tell me what the fuck is going on?

How did people get the impression Tommy was going to be fired (I realize he isn't)? From his twitter alone, or some other source?

How does Doc Mcgee fit into this scheme?

How the hell does Duff fit?

Geez. I step away for a couple days and everything goes to hell, or appeared to, but really didn't.

Any kind of timeline or rundown of recent events would be lovely.

It's addressing rumours by a complete dickwad. As far I know, nobody believed any of it, though.

Of course, though... it does seem a bit weird that they're addressing rumours that were deleted from the forum. Because for people who only visit this forum (and let's face it, it's the only decent one), it looks like they're dismissing rumours that never happened.

I will never agree fans bashing other fans. Now there are different levels of "whining" but  to say us  US fans have no right to be a bit bummed out if we don't get a US tour ... well thats just bullshit in my opinion.

Certainly we shouldn't "bash" the band or feel like we've been betrayed, but rabid fans wanting to see their favorite band is a  "GREAT" thing. It is never a bad thing having a fanbase that WANTS u. If we didn't care, thats when GNR would have problems. Having people going nuts cause they want to see u is a great and encouraging thing.

we want to experience the amazing shows everyone else got to experience. please tell me what is wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with wanting to see your favorite band or being sad if they don't play anywhere near you.

It's normal.

What's not normal is the "demands" some seem to have. The band needs to do this. They have to be like this. Etc. etc. And the whining that follows when the band doesn't follow these demands dreamed up by individuals, who obviously seem to lack a way to feel happy about the band. Nothing is ever good enough because the band just won't do what they want.

These people never stop. You can't please them.

If you just look at the things some of them say, it's almost like we've had no album or tour dates in a decade!

Maybe some of these people need to admit that the GN'R they claim to be fans of, only exists in their imagination... While the rest of us are enjoying GN'R and what they have given us in the real world.





/jarmo

The G N' R Bar is a good forum too.  You have to "apply" for membership there though; which basically means a request to the mod and as long as you have no history of being a troublemaker, you're free to post there.  A lot of great fans there who have been around forever.

Personally I can't support any kind of activity that in my opinion is immoral and/or illegal.

Simple as that.



/jarmo

Ive been critical of GNR in the past at times, but really, no one has anything to be critical about right now. long tour, Axl even tweets now. So they definitely have improved communication and fan stuff 1000 percent.

they definitely have earned some down time, but I hope we never have another one of those years of silence periods like we use to have pre CD.

DJ initially said there would be a U.S tour in Feb.-I know things change, but maybe he should tell the band not to be saying things like this-not a big deal, but I was kind of looking forward to it after he said it.

I guess it's all about high expectations and to much claiming idd....

By now evryone really should know what to expect...be realistic....as long as things aren't officially confirmed it's all rumors dreams and wishes...not only gor the fans....even for the band....including Axl I guess......maybe most of all Axl.....cos I really think he wants the same as the fans.

And to all the claiming fans....let's turn around things.... let's so...Axl....or who ever....could claim things from you....how would you react?.... Are you a slave?.....or a dumb ass who listens to others how to get a life ?

why should Axl be like that ? Axl = Axl....like you = you.... me = me....

Asking wishing dreaming wanting is ok......demanding things is another thing

 :peace:
 :beer:
 :smoking:

PS Maybe it's time to get back to the facts....maybe even time to close or clean some threads but that's not up to me ofcourse

Thank God, Tommy is still in, he is an absolute legend.  :)

I think it's disgusting that certain other domains give a platform for this kind of crap. It's gone too far when members of the band have to answer to false rumours created by a wannable. That's why I regard HTGTH as my home, thank god for jarmo and the staff.

I say we forget about this stuff and look forward to what GN'R may have in store for 2011. ;)

I read the axl statement on his twitter and i have zero idea what he was addressing. i automatically assumed it was something stupid people said...then i checked it out. i laughed while reading what this idiot was saying about Axl and how Tommy was a drunk and blah blah blah...im not too bothered by Doc being let go, i know Doc is good at what he does, but he comes off as kind of a d-bag though. And i know that Doc and Baz have a past as well...so perhaps it was for the best. Either way im happy with what we have so far from Guns. and i await what the future brings i know it will be well worth the wait!!

Ok, what did I miss out? And why again is not Doc associated anymore? Reunionist?

Sorry if it's already responded too, feel free to enlighten me :)

Only assumptions can be made, but maybe Axl wasn't happy how Doc handled (or in this case didn't handle) the plans for the U.S tour, or anything else.
Who knows, but its good to see Axl communicating  . Rock on gnr 2011! :)

It's good that Axl is communicating and clearing up rumors but what he basically said was the band has no management again and no firm plans to do anything. Not exactly reasons to be jumping for joy as a GNR fan.

 none of us have a clue to what goes on behind closed doors in guns, what i got out of axl's statement  is what leaked out were just  ideas & nothing more.  Also, 2 me its clear that there is no tour/cd anytime soon. Which is a bummer.  On a side note, do you know the guy that started the ruckus? If not, you should'nt call him names.  Who knows how he obtained his info. I think he used bad judgement on the way he talked about it.. I just dont get why this wasnt discussed before axl's statement, & now its ok? But  regardless, we need something new to talk about, & i dont mean "what does axl eat for breakfast"!

totally agrree here this is the only sight i go to for information thanks jaramo

I agree with this...  Nobody knows but I think it does show that some work was being done before any deal was in place.  A lot of companies do this, in a lot of different industries.  Myself, I work in the Software Development world and we do this sort of thing all of the time.  It's part of a presentation...

Or when the media isn't following along, they get it wrong. This is how false information is spread. ::) 

Guns N Roses Front Man Slams Slash?s Reforming Talk

Feb 11, 2011

Setting the record straight Axl tweeted, ?Contrary to anyone?s claims there are no concrete plans, nor were there ever for a tour.?

The rocker was responding to comments made by former bandmate Slash.

http://www.mtv.com.au/news/d8529c36-axl-rose-dismisses-reunion-mtv-classic/

You have to keep up. :hihi:

Looks like the media has no idea what the tweet was about, but maybe it's a good thing... otherwise "..." would have gotten some free attention !

PURE SENSATIONAL

 : ok:

I don't want a damn reunion, whatever is happening down the line, I'm waiting for some great new music. Otherwise, the clown in question making these allegations has had his 10 minutes of fame up.

The media never ceases to amaze me, what assclowns they really are.  :yes:

They will copy and paste any bit of an interview, and adapt it in their favor to get a headline. What worries me is that somewhere along the line, a journalist has purposely created a false question and answer in relation to Axl's last twitter post.

They know what they are doing, no one can mistake that twitter post to be an answer to a question that never existed.  ::)

Idiot should be fired.  :rant:

Yeah man all the media is the same garbage, unfortunately it will never change. No point trying to fire/replace any individual because one is no better than the other.

It looks like the BBC ran the story first. :no:

Axl Rose dismisses Guns N' Roses reunion rumours

9 February 2011

Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose has dismissed rumours that he might reform the original line-up of the band with guitarist Slash.

In a statement on his Twitter, Rose said there were "no concrete plans nor were there ever for a tour, or a relaunch, or certainly not to replace anyone in the band".

He was responding to reports that former GN'R guitarist Slash had said he would consider a reunion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/12401558

Axl should release the new stuff this year and then get this reunion over and done with next year. Of course like every tour Axl does these days, it will be a cash grab, so after it implodes he can put all this reunion hype to rest and continue with the new band.

What a bunch of horseshit! Axl wasn't responding to anything Slash said. How come we know what the deal is but the damn media can't get anything correct. That's their job!

Actually, you are so wrong on with this. The only way that the media will move away from the usual horse shit that they "Report" is to release an all inclusive album, writing credits throughout the track list and a mega promotion with band interviews. Get Axl saying Guns n Roses has evolved to the current line-up and is here to stay. He could also say that he won't rule out guest appearances from past members, but they won't be more than that....And don't ever expect Slash to be on that list, it won't happen.

The trouble with the reports that followed the last tour, in a pre-gig sense was based on hear-say and as they say shit sticks. :-\  and the public that read this crap never questions the validity of whats reported. Sensationalism sells, better its based on good story, if there ain't one, then lies will do in their world.  >:(

well that ends all the speculation's '
im kinna bio's to axl's reason but also don't want him doing something not in his nature.
but thinking at axl's behalf ,that there must be a good reason for him not wanting a reuinion.

I do recall Axl adressing the reunion issue. He did say that short term projects with one or two of the old GNR members would be ok but there would be no co-operation with Slash.

So it isn't that these matters have not been addressed, it's more about is media actually listening what he says..

And thats my point on the rest of the comment, to get them to listen, a whole new reason to get them psyched is needed, IMO an new album with Axl saying to the record company to go swivel and doing an in-house promotional thing would see the band get first hand knowledge about whats being done (or not) in their name.  Seriously, Axl and Beta couldn't do any worse organizing their own promotion than what was delivered last time.

Like it or not, the media doesn't really care about the truth, they care about who reads their articles. Most people are in favor of a reunion, however unlikely it is to happen, it's a sexier story than anything the current lineup is up to, and always will be.

Yep, I love this current band.  I will see them tour in a heartbeat.  But, as you see, the new GNR does not sell out all arenas that they have tried in the States.  If a reunion happened, this would not be a problem.  The tour would generate huge revenues without much effort

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if Axl really wants a relaunch, maybe a good idea is to do what Faith No More has done with Angel Dust and their Easy cover.

they released the single, and relaunched the LP with it as an extra track because it was a very successful one and it increased the sales of the album.

not difficult to do, but the single has to be a success, meaning correct promotion from the band and a video as well, and of course a good song.
why a cover? because people already knows the song and it's much easier to get the charts with it.

which song ? hey, remember this amazing performance on Sailing?

my two cents...

It's difficult to try to guess how popular a certain track will be.

Sometimes songs become hits because a lot of people hear the song somewhere. Like in a TV show.

And it might be years after the song was originally released!





/jarmo

I'm sure with video ''this i love'' will be huge hit

I have always thought This I Love could be a huge hit if it was promoted with a Movie soundtrack. Maybe even tv.

And this is why I sometimes get fustrated, because we know the material is there. But for some reason there don't seem to be any marketing effort being made in connection with Guns songs. I know they had If The World in Body Of Lies, but that was just part of the ending credits.

We need GN'R songs to be marketed in a better way and more importantly, the right way, for them to be discovered by new fans. I know GN'R has had alot of bad luck with management and the record company in general, but it seems like too many opportunities are being missed regarding promoting the amazing music we know exists.  :-[

Yeah but the market has changed soo much in the last 15 years. music has really become hard to sell to the masses.

Personally, I would be happy with rolling the dice on more singles tied to movie soundtracks.  Low risk, potential big reward.

very true, unless youre a band like Metallica, its very hard to sell records to the masses these days if youre a rock band.  Avenged Sevenfold is headlining sold out arenas, and knocked Eminem out of the top spot on the Billboard Chart last summer, and their new record finally just went Gold last week.  Thats 500,000 copies, Im telling you right now more than 500,000 people have that record in the U.S.  Downloading is a huge part of the sales decline for rock music.

Yeah, but in order to have a hit, you have to find the perfect match. And not just do it for the sake of putting a song in a movie..





/jarmo

that's not an exact science, indeed. I still think a cover is a good compromise.
Guns N'Roses are quite famous in the general public for them, KOHD is the perfect example.

apart this, I still don't understand why Shackler's Revenge wasn't the first single. This track is just a hit.

No doubt.  But I've seen some rather loose song-movie tie-ins in the past. But I generally agree that the success of a soundtrack song is its resonance with the film's target audience. In terms of marketing dollars though, it is cheaper to ride an OST than market an entire album. Especially since a new Guns album isn't something we know is down the road in the immediate future. 

But this is all wishful thinking. I suspect there are obstacles in the US market which the band is working its best to overcome.

The trailer for Transformers 3 actually looks pretty good. I think SCRAPED or Shackler's Revenge would be a perfect match. It is a youth oriented film with lots of action. Wasn't WTTJ in Megamind?

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2861996057/

please no, transformers movies are dumb.

but I'd love to hear Shackler's Revenge in THIS movie :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409847/

The best ways to get noticed is to put out a song that subsequently gets banned, or to do a show in a place that causes traffic to stop and cause congestion issues for the authorities, top of BBC did wonders for U2 a couple of years back. Trafalgar Square in London at 4pm would get noticed.

As an aside, does anybody other than me, think Axl's writing about the Democracy issues in North Africa/Middle East at the moment  :smoking: