Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Sign up here lets see how many we get.

/Definitely, 100%, Mother-Fucking, In.

I'd also be happy to help with the admin, organisation and promotion of any speculative event, regardless of venue.

OK, who's got the million bucks for it?  :hihi:

As I said on an earlier thread I have contacted management. I will post any answer as soon as I have it. If it's possible, I will set up an event site and begin to do things properly. I think this post is not helpful yet. Let's get a reply and do things in the correct fashion.

The 930 club in DC would make for an awesome venue

Isn't there any millionaires lurking this board who can take one for the team???
j/k



I guess I'm in.  :peace:

set this thing somewhere in southamerica and count me in  :peace:

do it in NYC and Im soooo in!!! :)

OK, If I hear back and it is possible to do this event It'll be in Europe. Please shut this topic down- It'll only start rumours. AS soon as I have concrete info then we can discuss.

I live outside of DC, I'm in.  :peace:

um, let me think about it???? I guess I'd go.....what kind of question is this, who the fuck wouldn't want to see a private show of their fave band!!!!??

I say we have it in one of the only states GNR has not performed...Delaware! 

Show Title:  "First Time in the First State"

WTTJ intro., "Ya know Dela-where you are???" 

Who am I kidding.  I'll be ready for the commute when GNR hits the east coast!   :peace:

I'm with jazjme. If it's in NYC or NJ, I'm in.

I've been hoping for a GNR show in Atlantic City for a long time. They definitely have the venues to handle it. I would be willing to spend $1000 for a private show.

a private show for the fans? that'll never happen.

but my vote is for Vegas baby!!

Maybe we could save that amount of money if we live...I don't know... 150,000 years  :hihi:

NYC next year and I'll be there!!!
or they can do some gig here in Bogota, I can arrange something here only for hardcore fans

Lez do it

anywhere in new york or in acouple hours of new york and i'm in  : ok:

IN

I'm in. Shit I should call my girl Rosario and see if she would hook this up for us. Maybe for her next birthday party.

On second thoughts, after sleeping on it, I don't think this is an accurate way to gague fan response at all.

The first post doesnt explain the question, and half of the responses are venue-dependent.

I'm sure we'd get 1000+ if this was a 4 year ticket sale, but obviously that isnt practial either.

This issue needs to be addressed in a better way.

On facebook 243,000 people are 'fans' of the band. If just 0.4% of those were interested, we'd be on. And thats ignoring anyone else.

Then theres the message boards, non-internet folk and word of mouth.

But lets not kid ourselves, we're a world away at the minute. And this needs to be looked at in the right way, even if it turns out to have been a pretty stupid idea in the end.

Actually....3 821 539 Facebook fans right now :)

I'm in if its around $1000. anymore than that and its too rich for me blood. Actually its too rich all ready but I can come up with it for GNR. My vote is for Vegas too. Vegas can be cheaper then traveling to other major cities as long as you don't gamble. lol

I must have looked on the unofficial page.

So whats that then, 0.02% of people.

Shall we move on to logistics ? ;)

Is this even possible? From a pure security stand point I doubt GN'R management will arrange a show for a bunch of people gathered over the Internet.
If we can come up with the money that is...

Dont you guys think the place would be an issue? I mean, everyone wants it in their own country/state...

Absolutely. And that's part of the reason this thread is misleading.

But there's also a lot of people for whom the venue wouldnt matter (willingness to travel) and also provided the venue is in the right place, 1000 is not that many people. Not really. 

How about in my garage!   I will fire up the grill !    Everybody can just bring along a covered dish and lots of alcohol.

NYC, Boston, Providence....I'm there.

As some have said before... this might be very difficult to pull off, pleasing everybody. Especially since we're pretty much scattered all over the world.

I was thinking, since this idea sort of bloomed from the fact that the message board is having an anniversary and this would be something for the hard core fans. What about some sort of PPV webcast, where the board members come together (not only this one), and have the opportunity say a month or two in advance to vote for a setlist from a selection of songs.

Some people are unnessesarily always bitching about setlists, not really understanding what it's really about. If GN'R plays a show somewhere, they're playing for the fans attending - of which most are casual fans extremely happy with the setlist.

This could be a one off opportunity to maybe play some "unfamiliar" songs to a group of hardcore fans. Fans celebrating sticking together for so many years now. What about doing it in some studio or something (the webcast), and maybe the band members could devote some time to answer a few fan questions in between.

I suggest it to be a PPV, not demanding the band to do it for free.. It would be a really cool thing in my eyes anyway.  :peace:

I remember having trouble selling 100 t-shirts to people here. And those didn't cost $1000 each either....

Don't get your hopes up.



The concept in itself is pretty cool.

But maybe there are other ways to do it.





/jarmo

Maybe they can stream it live on HTGTH?  and only board members can watch it.   That way everyone can get a chance to see it cause we have such a diverse fan base from all of the world.  Otherwise I vote for NYC!  I am still not over missing out on those  secret shows earlier this year..  :no:

One idea is to have it the concert take place somewhere (NYC/LA/Vegas) and stream it elsewhere, online for people to watch at home, or there could even be organized events at small clubs/theatres/venues where it's showing live? I know many movie theaters here in the USA broadcast live concerts, boxing matches, and operas - so this could be a good idea? Fathom Events is a name of one company that does it through AMC Movie Theaters here in the US.

For NY some venues I suggest thinking about... Gramercy Theater, Best Buy Theater, Terminal 5, Hammerstein Ballroom, Roseland Ballroom. Small venues, holding a max of a couple thousand people. Gramercy is very intimate, 1000 tops. If that.

If this does come to fruition you figure a couple thousand people would be willing to come to NY for it, and if you setup a simulcast elsewhere in the US/Worldwide it would bring in a lot more people.

Lot of stuff to start figuring out if we were to go forward with it, but it's an awesome idea in general.

*edit - stat about Gramcery

what about Axl`s garden i`ll  provide the pringles  :rofl:

I believe theres been attempts to get a live stream going for quite some time now, perhaps not from this board, but others have certainly looked into it in the past. I think something along the lines of what cotis proposes is probably more viable though. I'm convinced we'd get 1000+ for a NYC/LA/VEGAS gig.

I don't think its very appealing to the band though, and whilst, as Jarmo acknowledges, arranging a private gig is very difficult, I do think we should at least explore the possibility.

I picture it more like the L'Arc set they played, but obviously we are not requesting an invite-only gig to be played for free. We'll need some $$.

As for the setlist idea, I think its generally quite a terrible one. There are thousands of fans who have no idea what HTGTH is, and for board members to be deciding the setlists of events they havent even paid to attend: its just not feesable. Maybe that's not quite what you meant, but thats how I read it.  ???

I meant that this webcast idea would be a substitute for a live private show. So, if the whole thing was arranged with co-operation from the fan boards, the webcast would first of all be for the board members. Being a PPV event, we'll be paying for it.

I must emphasize, when I wrote that we could have the opportunity to hear some "unfamiliar" songs, I didn't mean unreleased/unheard songs. I simply meant that the setlist could contain some songs not so familiar to the casual fan. Not only their hits so to speak.

Just something I started to gauge further interest...

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=163813606972730

When I read this I had a crazy idea, why not have a HD live Stream event for the online fans (charge ofcorse) that way no matter where you are in the world you can get a good close look at GNR, it wouldnt cost as much as 1k per ticket but there could be a lot more people that could attend

WTF. Having a private concert in NYC and streaming it to everyone else is pretty much like any other concert isn't it?. It should be equal for everyone. Hell, it needn't be a show either, I would be happy with anything exclusive for this site, be it a detailed question answer session, something interactive from the studio or a contest of some sort with giveaways. :drool:

Exactly. My idea would be to have a webcast from their studio in LA or some other cool site, not a stream from an actual concert. Well it would be a concert, but not with a live audience (except those watching at home). That would cut some costs as well I guess.

That's an idea, broadcasting live from their studio or something.

But then again, if it's broadcast on YouTube or something - how is it exclusive for "GNR fans"?

 :-\

Doesn't have to be on youtube...

I'm sure there's other alternatives.

There are sites where you need a password to access the stream, not sure if YouTube supports that.
I don't particularly care whether it's "exclusive" or not, although it would be cool.

My thought was that this thing was centered on something exclusive for the fans here "Private GN'R fan show". What you are talking about would be a live broadcast similar to what U2 did earlier this year, or even what some bands have done through MySpace having live streams playing to a small audience and a large online one.

Just used it as an example...

There's uStream/YouTube/MySpace/LiveSteam that I can think of off the top of my head.

*edit Facebook may also do it, not sure though...

I'm in. Let me know how much. ;)

AC

I'm not suggesting the private show could be easily done. But some of these other ideas have been tried and for whatever reason never came off.

A private show for hardcore fans would be something special, something to aspire to.

Not sure the fans, or the band, would get anywhere near the same pleasure from a studio/empty room broadcast.

In which case it narrows it down to the people who can afford it and live in the area or can afford to get themselves there.

If it's only advertised here on the boards, it would bring some degree of exlusivity. Of course the word would get out outside these areas, but not to the same proportions as if it was put up on GN'R's facebook or something.

If GN'R themselves would agree to do something like this, it would of course be their choice on how they wish to do this.

Another point is that the U2 concert on youtube you mentioned was a free webcast, and meant to be seen by as many as possible. This is really not the case with this idea, and by charging  for the event (that's pretty fair considering it would be a request by us), most casual fans would probably not pay for a live stream.

That's right, and thereby lies the problem.

If they did this private live show in let's say LA. There would be a very small amount of people coming from Europe, Japan, South America, Australia etc... Just because the cost would be too much. Some could afford it yes, but not the majority.

I'm just patiently waiting for the next NYC show.  Please please come in 2011!

Of course nothing can compare to actually attending a live concert, but one should look at it realistically.

I think a Guns N' Roses "studio show" for us would be pretty damn cool.

Charging is not a bad idea, but how can one guarantee that the quality will be at it's utmost?

I will not pay for a broadcast that will become bogged down when thousands of other people try to watch, not to mention if it's not in HD or the best quality that can be provided.

Maybe I'm alone here - but watching a webcast that I have to pay for, which becomes choppy and cuts out once in awhile due to bandwith or server issues, will not cut it.

I would much rather pay the cost and go see it live wherever it may be, rather than waste my money chancing it online.

*editThe U2 show when I was watching had stream issues and cut out, some MySpace stuff (VR to name) had issues and cut in and out. Just saying this streaming idea, while nice in general, does have a lot of issues. Now it may not be feasible for some people to attend (if it were a live show) and that's fine, and they will have to resort to the webcast -- OR THE DVD WHEN IT IS RELEASED! :hihi: : ok:

I'm no tech wiz, so how to guarantee a stable stream I'm not sure.

One idea could be to send out passwords for everyone paying for the stream, so one gets the chance to download the show afterwards - full HD.

Unique passwords for each person would be an idea...one password = one entry = one download at the end.


I'm still all for a live show, with broadcasting being another option.

Just to clarify.


There's many things that has to be in place for a show to be booked.

First off, the band has to be on tour....

Then you need a venue etc.


That's a lot of work in itself.


The "easiest" way as far as I can tell to organize something like this is to take a "regular" show and turn it into a "fans only" show...

Let's say there's a show in a smaller more intimate venue. Then you have a pre-sale or provide some kind of logistics to make sure the fans get the tickets first.

Could be a fan club thing or something similar....




/jarmo

^ that sounds like a cracking idea jarmo.  : ok:

Although i would happily pay to see a 'private' show also.

Definitely an awesome idea. Or how about say in NY, we have a fan meet up and then somehow after or the next day GNR have one of those private gigs but whoever attended the NY show gets put on the list, u just have to show your ticket stub to get in the private one?

I am IN!!

First of all, that is a great idea. I wasn't sure I understood it at first, but what you're saying (if my interpretation is correct), is that the band would be booked on a normal tour-like basis, but at an intimate venue.

A general sale event, at a venue of small capacity, with a fan-based presale.

Not only are the hardcore fans catered for, but the venue is sure to sell out due to the general sale which would follow.

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Finally, on your point about finding a venue, band being on tour etc...

Perhaps this would be best done in conjunction with the band's next World tour or US tour. Whether this is 2011/2012/2013/2014 or beyond, shouldn't matter too much. It's not like we're going anywhere.

I hope there's enough credibility and desire here to make this happen somewhere down the line.

-> IN <-

i'd be in depending on where it was. I'd of course vote for CO lol

its kinda in the middle, everyone would have to travel about the same distance (except me! lol) think about it! :P

If it's in NYC or Boston, I'm in.

In Chile... FNM Show In Stadium + Private Show Only 3.000 Fans

Would be great! I'm in if it happens!!

Jarmo's comment pretty much sounds like what they did for Hammerstein.  I think the only add on we could do is a preshow meet and greet, private party for us HTGTH members and our guests.

LOL, would you like to start at 2PM that day? :hihi: Way too many people for something like a meet and greet don't you think?

Vegas is the way forward.

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and just to add an idea to the streaming thing.

put a higher price to the live stream, which includes a fully edited pro shot of the show on dvd/blu ray & CD. Sent out after editing and only available to those buying the stream in the first place.

heres a idea! ;D
we should take somebody like mtv to sponsor the gig and make it on air when it happens (like paris 92) and make a gnr contest to the private show that way mtv can make some money and pay something like organisation
and the private part would be to the ??real?? fans

The only way it would possibly work is if it is something like what Jarmo has said and even then it will be very difficult and GNR management would have to be in charge. Any other way would simply not work as everyone would want the show in a certain part of the world and then there would be the problem of collecting the money for it. A million bucks is a lot of money to collect and you really can't  trust just anybody to collect it.

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.

You can't ask Europeans to travel to USA and vice versa and that's a problem for a lot of people. (including myself)

But you never know, if you manage to get GN'R to agree on something like this there's a start.

After that anything goes.

holy shit i read it here and i thought the article said playing shows here in NY it was really the happiest day of my life until i clicked on it i saw it already happend and it was a private show i was so sad then

if they tour in America they should have a pre sale here on HTGTH so we know that real fans are going to these shows

And it would be cool a live broadcasting for those who can't attend to the 'only-for-fans' show (which is going to be in U.S.A. I guess)

A soundboard recording of the show would be AWESOME

Intimate gig with fan-based pre-sale on the next US/World Tour.

Lets run with Jarmo's idea shall we, and see what we can achieve  : ok:

I think the safest idea (in many ways) is Jarmo's.

The fan-only presale has been done before through this site.

There could be 2 different shows, one in NYC for the fans from the US and one in London for the European fans...



I wouldn't trust any stranger online with 1000 euros... Imagine, this could become the biggest scam ever...

I for one would love for something like this to happen someday.

I agree also with what jarmo said, in the US maybe a venue like the Joint in Vegas, or Hammerstein in NY. And in Europe, I think it would be cool to have the Hammersmith Apollo in London as the venue.

It really makes a difference to a show to how the crowd behave, just like we discovered in the Manchester show not long ago. There is nothing more exciting to be in a crowd full of hardcore Gunners, rocking out together to GN'R.

The best atmosphere I have experienced as far as that goes so far, is in las Vegas, at the Joint shows in 06.

This sound excellent.  I would be in at $1000...maybe more depending on the type of event, access to band, etc

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Between yourself and Jarmo, you have the best and most appropriate solution to what everyone is grasping for.

I'm not sure how feesable two pre-sales are, but I think two seperate venues, far apart, would give everyone here the best possible chance of an intimate fan gig.

I'm for Jarmos idea. London and/or Las Vegas..hm maybe LA or NYC...

Besides the whole "private fan" thing, what I think would be cool is if GN'R did a big tour and added really small venues to the big arenas...

I think the Stones did a similar thing 7 or 8 years ago... They also released a dvd for that tour.

count me in, wherever and however this may come about.

  the pre-sales in 06 were really great, I was so panicked I wouldnt get tickets to hammersmith!  :beer:

If they hadnt knocked down the lovely Astoria in London, that venue would have got my vote  :'( 

Sounds awesome to me  : ok:

yeah for $1000 each we should be able to get more than just the show

There could be different packages, depending on what route is taken.

Gold Donator, Silver Donator, Bronze Donator, etc.

I disagree. This band doesnt charge for meet and greets, nor does it shove ?20 photo-filled programmes down your throat.

The $1000 was our figure, based on private show calculations from the Russian gig. 

Don't think its worth it? Then don't pay it.

It's all speculation anyway, but you make it sound like the band are trying to rip us off  :confused:

Well, count me in. Hope so :)

if its in ny, nj or ct, im down

That would be incredible! A Dream come true- we would just need a medic on-site for when I pass out! :o

If it's not obvious hell yeah I'm in!- I mean I went to see them in Mexico, Canada & the UK so a fan-club show here in the states- like in NYC would be Insane- in fact I'd give my right arm for it!  :drool: :drool: :drool:

but it should not be too exepensive that even not very rich people can be a part of it

That wasnt the arguement that was put forward.

Again, it was us schemers who plucked the $1000 out of thin air, not the band or anyone related to it.

We were speculating how much it would cost to organise the same experience as the Russian private show last week.

Thoughts:

- Paying for a live feed on the internet dilutes the value of the $1000 ticket price. Less people will pay $1000, to see the show in their underwear for $10.

- Without a tour in place, LA, NYC or Las Vegas is the obvious place to stage a 'one-off' type gig. The majority of the band members live in LA or at least are there on a regular basis.

- It sounds like what the fans are really asking for is: something different that is attainable. I think many board members would love to see the band play somewhere other than hockey arenas; something more intimate. Theatres, clubs, ballrooms, etc. Also, on the backside of that, it would appear that the fanbase is starved for some kind of high quality live footage that they can watch without having to type www.youtu....

- This band went through a 'fan package' debacle in Canada in early 2010. The package included a tour of backstage, and a bunch of swag, plus guaranteed 'best seats'. This fell through for undisclosed reasons, but one can venture that it was probably not rubber-stamped by the band. The band did try and remedy the situation, but ultimately refunded the customers. This is a band that has a love/hate relationship with the fans. Half of the band members love meeting the fans and the other half would prefer their privacy. Meet-and-Greets are not on the horizon, as far as I can tell.

- This band desperately needs some kind of fan club. Social media may rule today, but that doesn't mean listing shows on Facebook or Twitter is a viable way of communicating with all fans. The problem is that fan clubs are generally tacky and a rip-off. Also, Pre-sales on Ticketmaster generally don't give GREAT seats away. Usually, they are pre-assigned blocks that may/may not be better than the general sale. Look to Pearl Jam for how to 'fix' this problem. Ten Club is probably the best fan club in the world.

- Guns should look into pro-recorded live bootlegs as a passive form of income. In this day and age, you might sell more bootlegs than albums. Everyone wants to hear Paradise City with their city's name ringing out at the end. If Metallica can offer this, anyone can. (Quick aside: Slash offered live recordings of his solo shows available 20 mins after the show for $20.00 - Calgary, AB.) If the videos/songs are going to be on Youtube anyways, you might as well give the fans proper recordings instead of muffled crap.

- The whole 'private show' will most likely never happen, but an assessment of possibilities by management and at least a gauge of interest is important. I think we would all be happy with the band doing something retro like an 'MTV Unplugged' or BBC Session. To be honest, with Ron and Dj in the band now, there will most likely be greater fan interaction and less space between the band and its fans. It's amazing how something so little like watching a 20 second clip of backstage (http://svtplay.se/v/2204730/psl/folj_med_till_axl_roses_eget_backstageomrade) can make a fan so happy and yet it's never granted.

Great thread. VOTE CHARLIE FOR MAYOR OF GN'R PUBLICITY!

A smaller fans only show would be cool for everyone, the band included.  They could interact with the fans and the fans can feel special knowing the band is playing for them.  If it were figured out right this would be not only great for fans but great for hype of the band. 

Count me in Axl tell me how much and I ll be there......I hope the show take in place in Las Vegas

i would go to vegas, or L.A  if the time was right i work week in week out that would be cool

i would be in for sure!

A "fans" only would be great!  Then there would be no complaining about coming on late!

Maybe they could even play us a new song :)

I'm in there like swimwear!

Hopefully it's in the LA area if it's in the US.

this is a good plan because every little bit helps and we are all fans here

Nobody is trying to price anyone out of attending.

Sounds good

i highly doubt this community can organize it in a fair cool way (yet) themselves. look at the post from "charl!edontsurf", some good stuff in there, exspecially about to learn from the Pearl Jam club! cool solution would indeed be the band doing some smaller shows here and there but thats up to them mostly.

I think the closest this has to happening is jarmos' scenario, where they play a little venue and have an exclusive pre sale.

I don't know why people are talking about donating sums like $1000, GN'R don't need the money and I doubt they would charge their hardcore fans such a sum. Also just because they flew to Russia to play a show for a large amount of money, doesn't mean they would do the same to their fanbase.

The guy was probably stinking rich and had a few special requests from Guns, which is fine.

(But then again, I'm not saying I wouldn't pay such an amount if it meant being there in a small club with GN'R.)  :yes:

Excellent points.  : ok:

huh when do u hear that? at which part of PC?

Totally in if it's in PA, NJ, NY.

I?d pay to see GNR in a private small-club gig ! Put the price and i?ll do it !

Encoded:

Axl screams out, "London (insert city any other city here)!!! Good... Fuckin'... Night!!!", at pretty much all shows... unless you're Dublin.  :hihi:

Or from Newcastle.  :o

or st. louis

cool idea....but i think the only way it would work would be jarmo's idea, a presale where us fanatics get first access to tickets.

i'm totally in, but.....it has to be continental usa, i don't do airplanes.

Let us know the exact venue you'd like and we'll make sure it happens there...  ;D

j/k...

This is why this idea is NOT that good...

Unless the band organizes this whole thing with presales, it won't happen...

Isn't the same with just going to a concert in the next tour?

I think this happening is unlikely, but it would be cool. A couple years back, I saw the Starf*ckers (Dizzy, Gilby, & some others) play at a small Orlando nightclub. Initially, I was debating whether or not I wanted to pay the $35 cover to get in the door. I did, and the show was great. I was probably one of about 40-50 people there, and I stood about 6 feet from Dizzy and Gilby for the whole show. I did a shot with each of them and I got to hear Dizzy sing a bizarre cover of Welcome To the Jungle while playing the keyboards. 

Hindsight, I would have payed double what I did to see the same again. Gilby's playing was spot on all night. A great guy too, btw. I also didn't know just how much Dizzy likes his jagermeister.

Yeah its the same.  ::)

I always have a way of missing the secret GN'R shows.  :hihi:

So I can only wish that something like this happens, but since the European leg is over, I too feel this is very unlikely.

But we can hope...

the same without the morons who throw shit and try and ruin everyones fun.

whoever mentioned pearl jam's 10 club they do small shows for 10club members, it's a bitch trying to get tickets but you know everyone in there is a huge fan and it makes for a great show. photo ID on entry to pick up tickets.

or go the RATM "free show" route where there were photos printed onto the tickets, for smaller shows. stops the touts and with pre-sale would lessen the chance of idiots attending.

I suggested this last Sunday on Twitter and in my (hungover) mind I was thinking about the Russia private show and thought it would be wicked if I was rich enough to do that. I'm not. So I thought why not pool money together for a private gig (wherever - but to fit in with their tour plans. When I said 'wherever' I meant US or UK - I cannot afford Oz). Why isn't this possible? My job involves event management and I know it's a lot of planning an a lot of red tape but if a filthy rich Russian can do, why can't we with pooled money?
It doesn't have to be a rip off, I'd just pay $1000 for an intimate show. And thats how much John suggested for an 1000 person show to make a million dollar fee.

I'm in

bit late but I'd be in if I can get to whereever it's held.. Ottawa would be nice (although highly unlikely I know)

We don't have to pay. Axl would do it for free.  ;D