Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Is it possible???? Can this band, who have really developed into total monster :yes:, come off the road and cut an album of new material?  I think that is the way to shut up all critics. :crying:  Cut a badass hard rock record. : ok:  12 songs, all killer no filler.  Couple of ballads and the rest in your face.  Capture the energy and momentum that this band has going on right now.  :beer:

Question is if they started from scratch, could they write a good album?  ??? :peace:

Anything can happen....everything is possible  :peace:

That would be great as long as it wasn't at the expense if other great music in the vault and ready to go

Of course they could write. But I guess it would be a pain in the ass to release it now because of the record company and other shit.

1 can only hope  : ok:

Is Guns N' Roses obligated to deliver more albums for Geffen/Interscope?

If we include GN'R Lies, Live Era and Greatest Hits, they have put out 8 albums now.


From what we've heard from Axl, I don't think the band is very happy with how the record company handled their latest release. At least not in the US anyway, they seem to be pleased with how things were done with the release on an international level.

To adress the OP, I believe the current line-up is a very capable songwriting unit. Of course, there's no songs to see to, but from what we've all seen on the live shows, the chemistry between the members is definetly there! It pleases me to see that Ron has brought up the subject on several occasions, and seem quite eager to get things rolling with new material.

That being said, I certainly hope the remaining material from the Chinese Democracy sessions doesn't go to waste, and will be released in some form someday. I really have high hopes for those songs.  :)

I think they're gonna focus on that as soon as the tour ends, maybe they'll drop the remixes album in between the tour end and the other album being released in 2011

this band definitely has what it takes to do just that. I would love to see that happen. I think that would really put them back on the map so to speak.

an album with this monster would be fucking amazing...everone has found their place and all got crazy skills!!

From what we can all hear on Bumblefoot and Ashba solo carreer, I think it's pretty safe to say they can pull off something really good. Also, don't forget that Tommy, Dizzy, Pitman and Axl himself are still there and we all know how amazing songwriters they are.

Yeah, that's why I said that. I don't know if they are obligated to something more, but if they intend to release a new album under the Universal umbrella, I believe they would have to struggle a lot in order to not release something with so much issues like the CD.

I'm really not sure about a remix album - perhaps as b-sides but surely there's more original material that could bed released first

Definitely sure it could happen after CD part II is out, also think this line-up is one to stay, the chemistry is there 100% for sure (personally after 20 years of fan-ship the best line up ever)
I'm not sure it could happen before part II is out though, unless as Johnny Rotten sings in rise "I could be wrong, I could be right"

I am just looking forward to hear some DJ inspired themes in GnR's new music. And yes I like everyone else here can not wait for CD's followup, studio that is not the remix album.

Certainly looks as if this will be the team in place should we actually get to that step, but they could just as easily be on the road for another year

I'm sure there is enough material to be re-worked that could consitute another album or two, so to get to the point of having these particular guys create something totally original, is probably a stretch at this point

do you really think is the companys fault the lack of GNR albums?
i am sure if they could sell axl's farts they would, they are hungry for money
the final word in a GNR realase depends on axl

well axl's farts remain under cover's for now lol.but i could see axl returning home for the holidays and maybe seeing a soon as after maybe getting into studio .and possible music getting done then but who's ta say really.one can only guess.

IF I was the guys I would be studying up on Led Zeppelin, old Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd and even some Robert Johnson. Also maybe some Alice in Chains and Tool. I am not saying GNR should sound like any of these artists, but they are a great study for a band like GNR. Also Axl, check out some Ray Lamontagne. Talking about some soul, boy does that guy have it.
Of course thats just an opinion.
peace out
amyl

With his recent succes with co-writing SIXX/AM N' MC'S Saints of LA I feel that was the reason DJ was brought into the mix. Perhpas to work w/ Axl on new material or tinker w/ what's already been written..
Who Know's, I don't, just speculating to this post..

That's not what I said, but yes, I think it was partially their fault. From what we got with Chinese Democracy, I think it's pretty safe to say that Universal had no interest to do a proper work with it. But I'm not saying it was only that - every band member and even Axl said it was a clusterfuck of shit happening. Check out what Marc Canter said about the delaying:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=60791.msg1271041#new

But what I said previously was about the conditions of release. I don't think the band would like to have the same issues all over again with a new album. I know it had a lot with managment, but still...

Would love to have 'The Ballad Of Death' to be turned into a GN'R song somehow / somewhere 8)

How about an EP of songs they covered on tour as well as some of the members' solo stuff:

-Whole Lotta Rose - a "live" studio version with this band would be awesome.  Never has been available on a G N' R album (besides live boots) - would be great to have it on an album
-Nice Boys - same as above.  Though the version we got on "Lies" was a "live" studio version, would be great to get a version from this band
-Richard Fortus "Bond Solo" - would be great to get a studio version with the band backing him up
-Ron Thal Pink Panther solo - same as above
-Dj Ashba's Ballad Of Death - with band backing him up and jamming
-Don't Cry - another "live" studio version - as done in concert these days with Ron - somewhat stripped down.  I'd recommend Axl singing the Alt. Lyrics instead though :)
-Sailing - I think Axl and the band would do an amazing job covering this song as discussed in its own thread here
-Axl piano medley - a nice instrumental of Axl playing a medley of "Someone Saved My Life" and "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road"
-Another Brick In The Wall Part. 2
- a song or two that the band decides to cover last minute for kicks and see how it works out!  I say each member puts a song in a hat they'd like to do - pick one out and work on it!

No offense, but that's like the worst idea ever :p

 :hihi: I second that...

BTW, WLR was officially released in the EP "Live From The Jungle"

The only good idea is to release a cover of "Sailing" really love that version, but I prefer to hear some new original material...

2011 - US tour

New album will be announced either during or beginning of the tour or later in 2011.

I would put my eyes on Fall 2011. Until then just have a little patience guys!  :hihi:

2011 will also be a leak year, even if it leaks one week before it comes out  ;D

and that... that was the informer   :P

Most people here say it's the worst idea ever...well....if they put your idea on a bonus disc I can live with it....

Meanwhile enjoying the last part of this tour...waitin for news about that SAT DVD and ofcourse fingers crossed for more to come.

 :beer:

 :hihi:

Just trying to put some thoughts together on a quick EP if the band wanted to put something out as a download or whatever.  Wasn't supposed to be anything solid.  But thanks for the feedback.  ;)

Well I don't except new album in next 2 years...For me more obviously option is promo of cd with videos, continuing of tour in us, and again sa and europe...this band have had a great response in europe, and only they need is better promo

I agree bolton, all it needs is promotion. CD IS fantastic, just needs to be put out there.

Personally don't care what they do next, as long as they keep active and avoid the political side of things, which kept them in the wilderness for a few years.

Probably not as easy as that though.

I'm sure that they could, although I'm not sure that they will. I imagine coming off the road after a year + tour is pretty grueling, and they'll need their downtime. I personally don't expect much action in 2011. If US dates are a no-go, I'd expect that they'll likely catch up on some much needed R and R.

A new album would be great, but I'm still satisified either way.

I honestly don't there will be an album that's 100% the current line-up, or at least not anytime soon.

I think the next album from GN'R will be material written mainly from 2002 - 2007, I think that's logical. All the song titles we have heard rumoured, have to exist to some extent. I think we still have alot to hear from Buckethead, Robin and Brain yet. Axl could even have had 3 albums worth of material in 2006, we don't know anything for sure.

Also another event which backs up my theory is when I met Bumble in 2008 at his Meet N' Greets in london. He let everyone in the room know, he had a GN'R song on his laptop which no one had heard yet. That just shows that even in 2008, before CD was released, GN'R had other material on the back burner.

2011 tour double/triple dvd from one gig europe/canada/south america/asia/usa whatever   
  and mayby a double cd from one another gig from the 09-10 tour ...or that would be a cool deluxe edition for the new album (2012  ::)) but i would like more if every thing would be played by ashba/ferrer/pitman/bumlefoot/fortus/dizzy/tommy/axl

I really... REALLY would love for Buckethead to be included in he next album. This dude's abilities are just unreal. From the out of this world guitar work on TWAT to that fucking classy guitar solo on Sorry, he just really pushes things about as far as they can go. I shudder to think what TWAT might have been without him. GN'R for me was always about the best of the best and well...

Having said that, I am surprised (though you know, not really), we haven't heard more details about the next album by now. Sometimes I wish Axl would just let himself take a good long break from performing live, and save that monster voice of his for new music. Just put in as much time as needed to do as much awesome material as what he has inside of him before something happens and it will be too late.

I really do not want to hear Axl go the way of Robert Plant and James Hetfield. I thought at that infamous MTV performance in 2002 that my worst fears of this had come true. Thankfully it was just a bad night. But I find singer's who have clearly lost that one thing that made them special to be really really sad.

New album please Axl.

Don't worry, I feel the next album will feature Robin, Bucket and Brain for sure. I don't think Axl has to worry about writing material, because I feel it was all done a couple of years ago. And Axl's just planning on how and when to do it. And this time I feel he will make it his mission to not let the record company ruin promotional plans.

They don't worry about writing songs. They're artist, they like writing songs.

Yes of course, but I think it's obvious for any band that there's a certain pressure to do the best they can. Axl's an artist and he loves to create music, but there's no harm in pushing yourself.

If there was no pressure, there won't be any challenge and you won't get that lovely feeling when everythings done. Not just the music either, stuff like artwork, tour dates and also keeping your personal life in check as well, takes alot of effort when an artist.

I think the new album will be a mix of eras, much like Chinese was already. There we have the 1999-era songs like Chinese, SOD, Prostitute, Riad and IRS. We also had some newer songs, like Scraped, Sorry and Shacklers from the Bucket era (I don't know, maybe from 2001?).

I know those songs aren't as newer as the Ashba-BBF era would be, but I guess the follow up may have the same pattern.

Also, why would Axl just throw away all the work already done? It's not just his work too, there's Pitman, Tommy, Dizzy and maybe even Richard's material - and they are all still in the band. Wouldn't be really fair to them or to Bucket and Robin's effort to just dismiss it if the songs are as good as the Chinese Democracy ones.

Would be cool to see a double album or perhaps release two albums a year or so apart, starting with the older material and followed by something brand new written with the current line up.

I remember Axl saying in London (2006) that Richard worked really hard on a song all night. He then joked he worked really hard too but couldn't remember her name.. But since then I've been curious about that song. I like the idea of again older new era and newer new era songs :)

Im pretty sure the new album will come out Fall 2011. 99% sure!  :P

While I love the Robin, Brain, Bucket era of the band, I could certainly see why Axl would want to incorporate his current players into the mix. I can't help but to find it somewhat disrepsectful when people make posts saying that they hope ex-members appear on a future album instead of the members who are actually in the band. Keep in mind, these guys left the band on their own accord, and for the most part, we don't even know why.

Again, I love the musicians who appeared on Chinese Democracy, and I have no problem with some of their contributions making a future album. But for the most part, I want a Guns N Roses album that consists of GNR members, not guys who walked out on Axl anywhere from 2-6 years prior.

Them guys were there for a considerable period of time, and alot of work went on behind the scenes that we didn't see. Forgetting the live shows, just think how the much GN'R worked on material between say 1999 - 2007.

My opinion is that, I bet the Robin, Bucket and Brain era has easily paved the way for what will be on the next album. Don't be surprised to hear those players mentioned, in the next release strongly. And we all have our opinions, but for all we know the band from that specific era could of come up with 50-70 songs.

It's not about being disrespectfull to the current lineup but you have to look at the facts. DJ has only been in the band for a year and half, so is it unrealistic to think he will not be all over the next album if it's released as soon as he states?.

I think another reason why CD took so long to come out is because the 02 line-up came up with so much material. Axl stated on Eddie trunk, that they have enough for 2-3 albums. That is amazing in itself, and that was even before Ron joined.

It's a safe bet that GN'R have a wealth of material recorded, so it's not that hard to come to the conclusion that alot of it will be from the 02-06 era.

not sure about that. first, because DJ is the lead guitarist of the band, I can't imagine a Guns N'Roses album without a huge contribution of the main guitarist of the band.
and second point, DJ & Axl seem to have a really great relationship, something I didn't see with Buckethead or Robin, and it probably counts too.

it's not a question of how long a member is in the band, it's more a question on who is in at the moment, I think.

I don't get this "era" BS.  

You can't honestly say that if TWAT had appeared on AFD that it wouldn't fit because its ahead of its time, no more than to say that WTTJ and any of the other classics don't fit into a show but are only played because of their greatness.  A great song is a great song, you only have to see KOHD and LALD and the response they get, both are pre- 1980's. In the world of Guns n' Roses, Great songs get released.

Eventually....

They'll choose the right member for the right instrument/solo. If that means something needs to be rerecorded, it will. If that means buckethead will be on the album, it will.

I thought chinese democracy already proved that.

I agree. And it is disrespectful for members to post that they hope ex-members - who left the band years prior - make the next album instead of the members who are out on tour supporting Axl now. It's not that I would mind seeing a solo here or a fill there from Robin, Bucket or Brain, but hoping that they are predominatly featured is somewhat of a cheap shot and quite disrespectful to the guys who are actually part of the band now. It's no different than a reunion zealot saying that they hope some of Duff's late 90s work with Axl makes a cut instead of the bass player who has been supporting Axl for the past decade.

Whatever happens, I'm sure that DJ will do the same with CD II as Ron did with CD. Which is maybe do a solo, here or there and some rhythm work.

But, I think everyone knows in the back of their minds that the next album will be alot of Robin, Bucket and Brain material. It's not only a matter of opinion, you have to think logically about the situation. GN'R must have worked on loads and loads of material back in 02/06, and that's what I think will be on CD II as well.

The album from the (current) DJ, Ron, Frank line-up, will most likely be CD III. But it's almost impossible for them to have had time to write whole new material since DJ joined the band. It's just common sense really, if Axl has strong songs from the Robin and Bucket years, why bother rushing to try to write a whole new thing with the current band?. let that come naturally and let it on CD III. I think we learned that about Chinese Democracy, if the material is good, even if the guy is gone who recorded it, it's going to stay and be released.

Of course its different - we all know how Chinese Democracy came out with lots of Bucket, Brain, Tobias and even Robin. I dont know how its unrealistic to think they would still make it on a new album - maybe not as proeminent anymore, but still. It seems like whatever feels better suiting for the song will make it, so I dont know why people act ofended.

Also, just one thing: Ashba is great, but he's not the "main" guitar player nor the only lead. Bumblefoot has as many if not more lead parts, so BOTH are lead. Now that was disrespectful - to ignore such a great and important musician like Ron Thal.

I couldn't agree more.

There usually is a guest appearance or two on an album and if it includes an ex-member then great, but the whole reason why the tour and mores the point any future material will be released is because of what we have now.  These members thankfully have stood out and raised themselves above the  crap that goes with being associated with one Axl Rose.  

I remember BBF being concerned about the possibility of being in the way of a possible reunion of the original band and his joining was delayed as a result.  These musicians respect the history and heritage of the band, they live with the (unfair) assertion of being session players, they give up family time to play shows that the press (in Europe anyway) have no original or researched questions to ask.  I've seen the best live show of all this year, I saw 'em in 88, 2002 and 2006 and all were great in their own way, but this line-up by a mile is the most coherent and tightest band assembled yet.  I can't see anything but even more great music from this band in the future, don't disrespect them for not being Slash, Duff et al. If you have to, do so when they don't deliver killer shows, produce great music or insult the fans in being so far up their own asses with their sense of self-importance.

It hasn't yet, nor do I expect it to either.....

quite funny comment since Ron is my favourite guitarist of the band.

I just refered DJ Ashba as the lead guitarist because in my souvenir he as introduced to us as the new lead guitarist.

In my opinion, anything left from the 2002-2006 era is probably sub-par or else it would have made it onto Chinese Democracy.  CD is great, but it has a couple of songs that could have been replaced by better material if it existed.  For that reason, I bet we get much newer material on a new album.  I agree that we might have a coupel songs from the older era, but most of it will be solidly from the Bumblefoot era and with any luck new material with DJ on it.

Quite a bold assumption considering we have no idea what that material is really like...


For example (no, this is not based on any kind of fact, it's an assumption. That's for all you "reading between the lines to find hidden clues" people): They could have amazing ballads ready, but they didn't put them on Chinese Democracy because they thought the album didn't need another one...

Or there's songs that just sound different from the songs on Chinese Democracy... And didn't fit the album.



/jarmo

Very good points.  But I would bet that the best songs they had in hand were put onto CD to make it as good as possible.  It just seems intuitive to me but I could be wrong.

Doubt it... I'm sure if they put all of what they thought were the best, it may not flow great as an album.... Like DJ said, axl has stuff up his sleeve, and he knows what he is doing...

I'm sure the band have faith in every track on CD, as i'm sure they will on all future planned releases. I don't buy the 'these were the best songs' argument, surely each album is individual and certain tracks 'fit' where others do not. Hence why big songs included in the illusions albums never made an appearance on appetite / lies even though they existed at the time.

Whatever they release i'm sure i'll love it! Looking forward to more original material from the best band in the world!

Im sure you're wrong. They made many songs, but they put togheter an album, not just a song compilation. Best example would be Bach's talks about The General and how Axl wanted to save it for later album.

He is the lead, but where did you see he's the "main" one?

What is funny is how people think Axl would just scrap years of really hard work (not only him, but also past members). Of course I would love to see an album with songs only by this band, but I also would love to know more of Bucket and Robin's work. Im sure Chinese Democracy already proved how those musicians still had a really important whole there and Im glad they did.

Exactly. Don't Cry being around before AFD being the perfect example.

Music By Robin/Buck/Tobias/Bryan

New Music By IZZY/DJ/FRANK/BBFT/RICHARD

 :smoking:

i think and hope that the next album will be 90% current lineup. i think that in some songs there would be a solo played by buckethead or something like that or one intro-outro /something short played by fink brian buckethead tobias or even freese. it would be just too weird that the new album would be mustly old stuff
and when the songs had been writen and by who is a another question

You remember wrong if you mean why he didn't join the band in 2004'ish.


I don't think or hope that this will happen. I'm sure Ashba will play on some songs, if not all but the parts he will play will be his own, just like Bumble's parts on CD. He didn't rerecord anyone out.

I disagree with the idea that guns put their best songs on Chinese, although of course that album is full of badass stuff.

If axl's master plan is/was to release 2-3 albums, then surely the big guns would be evenly spread amongst the discs.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what's in store, and let's hope ashba wasn't wrong when he said we wouldn't be waiting too long for what's next.

It's not that I want them to "scrap" anything, but I would have no problem with DJ re-recording Buckethead's parts or adding his owns feel to it (and this is coming from a Bucket fan). It wouldn't erase Bucket's ownership, as he was the one who wrote it. It would just allow the guys who are actual band members their opportunity to shine.

In the end, I'll be happy with whatever Axl releases. I just think it's wrong for a fan to imply that certain members are good enough to be part of a touring band, but in the studio, they want someone else to play the parts. If Axl were to come out and say, "the current band on tour is just that - a touring band" - I'd be fine with your scenario. But he's never said that. So I don't think it's very respectful for a fan to hope this is the case.

"My scenario" is a mix of both newly written material and old stuff. Having said that, I guess the old songs would have the same treatment as in Chinese Democracy, with Frank, Bumblefoot and DJ adding their own takes and replacing solos when needed.

What would be disrespectful is to ask to guitarists only rerecord parts. Thats different from the drums and the whole Freese/Brain scenario. The melody in a solo is something gained in the performance, and to ask someone to just play it and not create something new would be just plain silly.

Again: why would DJ replace Buckethead tracks if he replaced Robin? What about Bumble?

In my mind, Robin replaced Slash, DJ Ashba replaced Robin, so...it's kind of a filiation. I'd love to hear material with Robin & Bucket (and Brain) too.

and I'm confident about Axl's taste to choose the best option for every song, keeping the original parts for some of the older songs, re-recording
with Ron & DJ etc for the others, and some totally new songs too.

I just used replacing Bucket's parts as an example. It's equally fine by me if he were to re-recorded or completely re-do Robin's (and I'm a big Robin fan too, btw).

We've had 11 consecutive months of proof that we have one kick-ass rock band comprised of extremely talented musicians enjoying themselves on tour. I just don't understand the rationale why it is necessary to have ex-members who left the band 3, 4, and 7 years prior play on future album(s). When I'm watching BBF play the TWAT outro or DJ playing the This I Love solo, I'm not thinking to myself "man, I really wish Bucket and Robin were still in the band". Are you?

That has nothing to do with this "I wish they were still in the band". Its about the already recorded tracks (including several current members) and if you cant understand that, there's nothing more I can say about it. Also doesnt matter what I want, but rather what I think its most likely to happen based on what Chinese Democracy is.

Again, I'm not suggesting that Axl scrap what is already recorded. I'm suggesting why not utilize the band that exists to release an album. I'm not suggesting that Tommy, Dizzy, Chris, etc. re-record their parts. I'm suggesting that the guitar solos be played by members who are actually in the band. DJ doesn't have to play Robin's solos verbatim. He can play something similar with his own feel or something totally different. This was done with Chinese Democracy, so I'm not sure why you find the concept so impossible.

I understand really liking a particular past member, but I don't think that should overshadow the fact  that we have a great band that exists today and who is capable of releasing something equally as solid.

It's not as simple as that though.

You forget about how some players have a certain feel and can play something' better than another member. For instance, DJ plays the TIL solo abit differently to Robin which is fine, but Robins is the one that's on the album.

Another example is, even though Bumble can play the TWAT solo note for note, Axl chose to keep Buckets version. Sometimes there is no need to re-record something just for the sake of having another member contribute something.
Also bear in mind, alot of people critisized Axl for doing what you are suggesting, re-recording stuff with current members just for the sake of it.

But Axl never did that, proved by Chinese Democracy, which had more than a few members on it who wasn't in the band upon release.

Thats what I was trying to say. Thanks OIAM. :)

Also, just to make it clear: Chinese Democracy didnt have anything rerecorded for the sake of it. Everything BBF played there were from his own creative skills.

That's because DJ wasn't in the band when TIL was recorded.


Yes. I realize that Axl kept some of Bucket's work, however he did decide to delay the album again just so BBF and Frank (2 members with less than a year tenure) could go back into the studio to add their presence to the album. Also, keep in mind, the band was negotiating the release of Chinese Democracy when Robin bailed, and no replacement was identified prior to the release. Now, it's been nearly 3 years that Robin has been gone, nearly 7 for Bucket, so I wouldn't be overly surprised if these guys aren't featured to the extent that some of you are hoping.

It's not about someone playing better or worse. That's subjective. The tone, the bends, the vibrato... everything sounds different because each one has his own melody in his mind, his own playing style.

Uh, but other than Brain, he did not want others to re-record parts. And the Brain thing is valid because Brain's style fits the new GnR sound, just like Bucket's style did back in the early 2000's. He never asked Bumblefoot to re-record anything, and even Bumble himself said that he did not want to touch some solos because it'd feel like a different song.

I would be more than pleased to hear more stuff from 4tus and Pitman in the next record!!

Silkworms please ! ;-)

I'm dying to hear material like silkworms, but I'm not sure Axl wants to go into that direction anymore. As I mentioned in another thread, I feel Axl has changed his musical preference since 2002. These days, I think he wants to go into a more Classic Rock route, rather than Industrial and experimental which we saw in 01-02.

I hope this don't lead to Axl scrapping some of those ideas, I would love to hear them in some form. I'm talking about the Silkworms, Oh My God and Riad type songs.

I personally would want to hear more songs like TWAT, but the constituents of that song are gone, not sure if BBF and DJ can produce what Robin and Bucket did on that song.

Question a little of topic: Axl, Tobais and Reed wrote TWAT, but did they write the solos that Robin and Bucket played, or do they make their own solos ?

I'm pretty sure they wrote the solos' by themselves, it's not as if they easy to do. All those credited may have came up with the chord progression of the song, lyrics, and even riffs here or there. But I think it's safe to say that the solos' were written by Robin and Bucket.

I'm glad that Axl wants to go back to that classic rock sound if that's his route. I said it before and I'll say it again. If I want to listen to industrial music, I'll go with NIN who specialize in that.  For that hard rock bluesy, classic sound which made for  my favorite all-time band, I'll go with GNR. I think Shackler's Revenge is an example of a good GNR song that has electronic influences, but would have been a better  NIN song. I think it's good to experiment, but stick with your strengths. For Axl, it's that classic hard rock sound. His voice fits that genre much better (no pun intended).

The problem is when people try to put talented musicians in boxes.

"You belong in the hard rock box, don't try to make anything else"-

It's bullshit.


GN'R has never been about limiting themselves by genres or been afraid of trying different things.

You got plenty of other bands/artists who make the same record over and over again.





/jarmo

"Shackler's Revenge" has very little, if any, electronic influence.  Very little keyboard work in that song.  It's not in any way, shape or form an industrial song to me.  It's a Buckethead song.  Axl himself has said he doesn't understand why it's called an industrial song.

And, I wouldn't assume what direction Axl wants to go in.  We haven't heard any of the other songs from the CD sessions and we have no clue what kind of songs the current lineup would write.

Ali

It's not about genre it about the song(s)... he has the talent to make any well written song his own... take the covers as an example !
Ill take any GN'R album as is, because I know it will be damn good... these guy's don't go for less...

Cheers

So what was the 'Uh' for?, you just basically agreed with what I said.  ???

I stated that even though Ron can play the TWAT solo, Axl never asked him to re-record it because the solo is fine with Bucket. And I also stated how there is no point in re-recording a guitar part just to have a certain someone, play it for the sake of them being on the record.

This was in response to Duke Nukem who wants Axl to ask the current members to re-record all of the past members contributions, because they are in the band at this particular moment.

remember "TSI" rhythm guitar parts or the rhythm guitar part from "sympathy for the devil"-cover? it has happened before, so the question about re-recording under this band name is some legit. hell, they even re-recorded a lot of "live era" in the studio!

Yes that's true, but you have to realise that the reason why that happened was because there was alot of resentment between GN'R and Izzy back in 93 even after he joined them for a couple of shows. I think Axl has matured alot since then and would probably do things alot differently if put into that situation in this present day.


In regards to live era, that's not even a valid argument because whoever re-recorded whatever parts. They wasn't credited and it was kept a secret for the most part. That wasn't so much for the sake of having the new guys on the record, but it was more to do with needing to do it to make the record listenable.

That's because the old band had a so great on stage performance that they had to re-record it in the studio so it'd sound good in the live album. That's not, let's say, Brain's, Ron Thal's or Buckethead's case.

still this band has some re-recording issue as proven in releases. remember the boards went crazy fearing that Bucketheads departure would lead to Axl letting re-record his parts as part of his "revenge" like he did before and the album would be delayed much more? thankfully he didnt do so. as long as i'd like to hope no re-recording would be needed for the already recorded/mixed unreleased (upcoming?) CD era songs....you never know, huh? time (hopefully) will tell!

what the hell was that about live era re-recording? quality issue? the old band sucked live or they didnt have recorded quality material during the illusion days? come on, thats lame talking out of any reality. they have high quality recordings from 192 illusion shows, we have some great quality Proshots proven that thats not the case with quality. i would like to get some more serious and honest information from the band about that re-recording live era by the way.

Whoever said Shacklers would be a better NIN song what does that evenmean? Unless you would rather hear Trent sing it that makes literally no sense, a song is a song is a song.

A lot of different kinds of songs come under the Guns N Roses umbrella - I have never understood the idea that people think they know what a Guns record should sound like. A Guns record sounds like whatever music is on a Guns record.

I would like to hear a so-called 'classic rocker' purely because Axl has sounded so phenomenal on songs like Nice Boys and Rosie lately that I think it could be mental - but the idea that every emotion he wishes to express through music should take the form of only one sound is a bit ridiculous.

GNR has always done different styles of music. I also agree with the fact that not every song can be expressed in one way.   However, not every style fits GNR. Case in point, My World and Oh My God. My World is the worst song by GNR. That was something that shouldn't have been done. Oh My God has great lyrics, but the industrial song doesn't fit into GNR (I know this song was a demo that the record company was not supposed to released, but Axl was experimenting at the time).  Shackler's Revenge good  industrial song, but the song felt more like it could have been done by NIN, Ministry, or Static X.  I like that Axl wants to experiment. I think Better or If The World were songs that showed how experimentation  can work well. I just feel you need to stick with your strengths and expand from there.  I think this is where DJ and Bumblefoot comes into play. They still maintain that GNR style of music while doing some experimentation. This is why I prefer DJ and Bumblefoot over Buckethead and Robin. 

I think other bands are like this as well. Some of my cousins and friends went to see Bon Jovi this summer at the New Meadowlands Stadium. They ALL said the band's  new stuff was awful. Sometime experimentation works and other times it doesn't.  

Last time I'll say this, but "Shackler's Revenge" is not an industrial song.  It is a Buckethead song.  There is very, very little keyboard/synth in that song. 

Ali

Ali, I don't care that this is a Buckethead song or not. It's a very industrialish song.  Lets agree to disagree shall we? I'm just glad that Buckethead is out of GNR. I want to hear more from this lineup. As I said before, this lineup has better chemistry and tightness.

No, it is not an industrial-ish song at all.  Sorry, but it just isn't.  I've listened to enough Front 242, Ministry and NIN to know the distinction created by Buckethead's distinct guitar work.  If you wanna believe it is, by all means.  Ignorance is not a crime  :hihi:   :rofl: But, I'll agree on the last statement  : ok:

Ali

Lol. Ok.  : ok: Btw, can someone explain to me what this karma thing is about under a person's screen name for this messageboard? I've been meaning to ask this, but never got around to it.

Your opinion has been noted, I disagree but that's just my opinion

And Ali is right, Shackler's Revenge is pure Buckethead, not industrial

It's a way for us to keep track of all the people who don't follow our rules.

Simple as that.




/jarmo

I can't help but wonder what song Ron had on his laptop, back in December of 2008. It was during his meet and greets in London UK, he teased us about having a song which we hadn't heard yet.

I also wonder what the purpose was, in him having it on his laptop. Whether he was coming up with guitar parts, or if he working out a solo while he was over here who knows.

But I think it's cool, that just a few weeks after CDs' release, Ron was still working on some kind of material.

Top guy.  ;D

He was waiting for some one to steal that laptop, you do know it was Ron who leaked the songs  :hihi:

Sorry, but I love them both, think they show a different and spectacular side of Axl/GN'R.

I love My World, Oh My God and Silkworms.  : ok:


Even if the sound is not the classic blues rock n' roll, we are used to with GN'R. Who cares, GN'R are a band who can do anything, and make it work.

Songs like My World, Oh My God, Silkworms and Riad is what makes Guns N' Roses legendary, and not a regular band like LA Guns.

Ok two questions regarding this, how does one increase karma? And how come Jarmo's karmo is only a 9 and not a perfect 10?

IMHO, Riad is the most close to hard rock in the album. The quick guitar riffs (including the first one which reminds of Hey Bulldog) are all there. Also, Axl's vocals are like Led Zeppelin-ish too (most because it reminds a bit of Immigrant Song). The excellent lead by Robin, BBF and Buckethead only makes it more agressive.

And there aint no NIN song that even comes close to all that. Maybe the awesome Brain drums (arrangement by Josh Freese) are the only thing that vaguely reminds of something more industrial. Also, just like Shacklers, theres minimal synth in there.

About OMG: I just think it had a very bad mixing. It was a trully awesome song and deserved a lot more. But Im still hoping to hear it again in a new shape.

I want to clarify what I meant by when I said "Axl seemed to embrace the Industrial/Experimental element more in 2001".

I mean primarily the introduction of songs like Oh My God and Silkworms, I don't think it would be wrong to call these Industrial/Experimental types. And also with the introduction of Robin, who was well known for being in NIN at the time, who are an Industrial and Experimental band in terms of musical style.

But I want to also point out that I don't think Shacklers is industrial, or anything on CD for that matter. I think that's what's so cool about GN'R, they can handle a wide range of different styles. And we still may get to see Silkworms and Oh My God on an album yet, who knows...