Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok after the guys have played Reading and Leeds they're kicking of a proper GUNS N' ROSES show in the O2. Irish fans can't wait to welcome the guys back and are looking forward to an awesome gig! Bring it on! Can't wait...GNR will definitely feel the love from the irish fans!!!! :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :love: :peace:

are you saying GnR plays inappropriate shows elsewhere?

weird...my ticket says Odyssey.....;) aug 31st

Anyway will be there in Dublin too! Can't wait to fly to Belfast tomorrow! everything is packed.....

Sorry yes you're right, Belfast first :)
ChiDem2010, no I'm not saying they play inappropriate shows but festivals aren't exclusively GNR fans. Usually get a bunch of wankers there jeering the band just to try and get a reaction.
Anyway, Belfast and Dublin will be  Guns N' Roses shows for real Guns N' Roses fans. I know there were alot of real GNR fans at Reading but I feel for them having to listen to a few silly cunts jeering their favourite band

SOLD OUT

Ticketmaster Says:

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It's not sold out.

Few rows in the back left. Should be sold out on the day though.

Can't wait  :beer: :beer:

Epic Pic

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 :beer:  :love: :beer:

Really looking forward to this show after seeing the band at Reading.

Should be a great one - hope to see you guys at the pre-show.

GREG

Cant fecking wait taking the day of work. ;D

me too!!

Sold Out...  :beer:

I have a freind going to this show Hope you have a blast guys!

TO ALL IRISH FANS ATTENDING SHOWS

You're going to have an amazing time, saw them at Leeds and they seriously rocked.

If you have as much fun as I had you'll be ok.

Have fun guys and gals

 :peace:

I can back that.  :)

Went to both Reading and Leeds and now plan on flying to Dublin for this show. Can't wait, had such an amazing time at the festivals that I know it will be a special show.

Thanks guys, I never doubted them for a second...getting real excited about it now!

Happy to do updates for the site if no one else is able - J let me know if needed.

If not, hope to see you guys around tomorrow. Promises to be a great show. Only 12 hours till my flight  :smoking:

GREG

updates always welcomed:)

Curfew for the O2 is 11pm.  i see some people were asking.  :)

just got a call from a friend at the quays and apparently guns 2 roses (tribute band) are on a barge going down the liffey playing live right now for anyone in the area
 they are currently playing on a barge at O'Connell bridge
 

For those attending... ENJOY! Have a kickass show!   :beer:

Ron and the rest of the band should play something from Thin Lizzy, it would be marvelous!!!
 :beer:

Ok I'm heading to Dublin now...see whoever when I get there...anyone who's going, have a great fucking night!!  :beer:

From Twitter.

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Thanks to stephenbrow



/jarmo

http://twitter.com/mcd_productions/status/22602636361


Sold Out..., wow!!!
 

: ok:

Quality, Guns N' Roses have arrived!

The guy missing the front tooth.... Thats fucking Rock n Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Danko onstage (8pm)

Updates coming from Derby Greg

Floor pretty full, over 70% and filling up, should be a sell out.

I thought the same thing! 8)

Danko getting good response, getting crowd involved. Plenty of mentions of being excited about opening for GnR

The short guy slipping in between the 2 guys holding hands and flipping the bird is legendary :rofl: :rofl:

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 :beer:

Apparently Phil Lynotts mum in the crowd tonight - a lot of thin lizzy love going on

 - Derby Greg

I am just a Cowboy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Chris is checking out Danko

Danko off (sent at 9.15pm). Arena full

Wonder will axl mention his black rose tattoo because of phil lynnots mother im the crowd. Im near the front middle getting excited now

Well they were in England and never played any Joy Divison hits :rant:

People getting pissed off and fights breaking out haha love gnr shows

Ah ah! I hope that when they'll come in Italy are playin' some hits of Albano Carrisi  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Here they come

where is the update's thread of that show ?  ???

If this is not the one...I'm so lost too  ;D

jajajajaja

Intro
CD
Jungle

Show stopped for bottle, crowd warned.

-updates from Derby Greg

again bottles  :o

It's so easy

You can't always get what you want and some people want to much so that's why it's always 1 a 2 persons that keep f*cking up with like 14.000 people their show!
if they know gnr timescale for getting on stage they should just get to the venue later and be happy cause f*cking with other's show is just unrespectfull to the band the fans crew and everyone who's attending!

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Brownstone
Sorry

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It's really good to see the stairs back! I love this stage :)
Those picture doesn't do any justice!

Another bottle, band gone offstage

 :rant:

its over ?

OMG!

this isn`t good thought dubliners were party people

OMG! Really???  >:(
Unfreakingbelievable!  :no:

:'(

It really is a shame that some people would fuck up a show for everyone in the building. I mean if you don't want to see the guys play, why go to the show in the first place? ::)

Announcer just said technical issues.
Another announcement trying to get him back onstage. People still throwing things.

-derby greg

(sorry not totally clear as yet)

Show cancelled because of idiots throwing bottles five songs played

glad i didnt go

Scaring!
Because of a couple jerks throwing bottles the whole audience and the band have to handle that.. :no:
Hope this is NOT the end for this show.

I've been to the Dublin gig in 2006 and crowd wasn't like that at all! Very rowdy and loud but in a nice way.. Sucks that some assholes have to fuck up everyone's show!

Technical issues ? ....maybe we should give Axl some bottles to throw back at this jerk / these jerks....and still throwing ?....my god.....

He also got a lot of boos for turning up late unfortunately. He seemed a little pissed from the beginning

House lights partially up, stage lights still down

the crowd are just a bunch of haters.
to go to a gnr show and expecting axl to be on stage at 21:00 is just madness and plain stupidity
cause that won't happen,  the crew needs to build the stage, sound guys needs to change gear et etc it takes some time.
and yes perhaps their are shows gnr could have gone on earlier. but who are we to judge.
People keep throwing stuff on stage bye the above said is just stupid... always expect gnr to be on around 10 - 10:30...
if you wanna f*ck up a show just don't go and buy yourself a ticket that cost a lot of money! damn....

WHere is security to throw these fucks out?

stopped during Sorry?

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security is no-where... they just stand around in front of the gates and eating their noses! the only thing these days they have to do is stand and do nothing and perhaps one or 2 times get someone who was stage diving... but I just loved it if axl would go to his old style and just jump in and get that a-hole! that's security their!

exactly 8 o ' clock, I was surprised then with the sun still shining and stuff ;)
He mentioned that too

seriously, this is security lax......


what they do at some venues is, they actually pour ur shit into a plastic cup and won't even allow u to have bottles.

"I'm sorry for you, not sorry for me !"......Big Fuck !....hopefully the dutch will behave when Axl comes to my place....only bottle I wanna offer him is a good Scotch / whisk(e)y  :beer: Cheers Axl...cheers GNR....sorry for this fuckin night....also sorry for the fans that did wanna have fun.

so were they 2 hours late onstage?

ireland is what 6 hours ahead of US eastern time?

I don't get the problem really. It seems like Guns went on about an hour after Danko finished (at least from what I can tell). With the change over between bands that does not seem like an unreasonable amount of time between bands as far as I'm concerned.  ???

They came on a little over an hour after Danko finished up. Pretty standard.

No.

Danko Jones was on when you though GNR were gonna be on.

Then you have the change over which takes some time.




/jarmo

Show back on I think.

Lights down!

people throwing bottles are fucking idiots. no excuse ever for that.

My guess is that there were people already willing to incite Axl and the band. If they were only 15 minutes late, those kind of people would still fuck up the same.

Band back on!!
 ;D

Yay they are back

Live and let die

I love you Julia !.....please please.....let it be true (would be a miracle cos the band was absolutely right to stop )

Nice.




I hope they catch the assholes and deal with them accordingly.

These morons don't realize that not only can their stupidity hurt the band and crew, but also the real fans who go to see a concert.



/jarmo

That is one thing at rock shows I hate. Sec. is never doing what they should be! I realize its hard to pin point that but if they were doing there job to begin with less people would throw shit. I saw a guy once at a show and he never moved for 3 hours. just stood there with his arms crossed.

cool, it will be sad that 15.000 people were fucked up for a bunch of assholes

This has got nothing to do with starting "on time"
One hour between acts is reasonable, setting up stage, checking fireworks and pyro, last minute instrument check etc.


This is all about negative attention whores trying to fuck shit up!  :rant:

Very true.

People don't realize that just because something takes maybe 45 minutes one night, it can take longer another night.





/jarmo

Think its rocket queen now

 : ok:

Local radio station reporting on the gig right now.

http://www.fm104.ie/on-air/listen-live.aspx

I said this on MyGNR as well... why the hell are bottles allowed in these venues???

At least here, you have to take it in a plastic cup, which isn't going to do much damage if thrown.

On top of that, if the band was onstage by 10:25... fuck I've waited way longer for this band to play! That's not even a late night!

D - there was about an hour between bands. I saw Iron Maiden this year and they changed over in 30 minutes however they had no pyro and a pretty basic light setup (awesome stage though but that's set up beforehand).

So true! Where I am from most rock shows are not allowed to have bottles and this is why!!! You want to drink beer all night use a damn cup!!

Richard solo - Bond theme

Fucked up that a couple of assholes want to screw with thousands of people's enjoyment.  

I'll NEVER understand someone paying good money to throw shit at a band - they're musicians, not fucking target practice....

Forget the fact its a concert, where is it acceptable for spectators to throw things at anyone doing their job ?

People are animals. There's no excuse.

That being said, I'm glad to hear the band returned to the stage to entertain those who have paid and want to be there  :beer:

Let's hope the people near whoever was throwing the bottles decide to get a little revenge and bottle THEM. I bet they would never throw another thing at a stage again.

This i love

Dublin has no class anymore. It is about alcohol and nothing more.

People avoid Belfast because of their history, but it is a more respectful place to be now for alot of bands.

It is not the fault of the Southern Irish, it is more to do with Ryanair who have imported an influx of European drunks to the country who see Dublin as some kind of alcoholic Mecca.

So there was about a half hour intermission at tonights show?  :hihi:

People just never learn.  Throwing bottles is so juvenile.  If they catch those assholes they should send them straight to jail.  It's just completely uncalled for.  Actions like that can lead to inciting a riot.  

Good to see they're back on,,,, for now.  Hopefully everyone will behave from here on out.

listen live on the radio here about the mess!!!

http://www.fm104.ie/on-air/listen-live.aspx (http://www.fm104.ie/on-air/listen-live.aspx)

If you are right, the good thing is that they left the arena!  ;)

Heard on the radio with the link provided, the people who already left when the house-lights came on, couldn't get back in,
Employees had to leave for their own security.

I smell negative press coming ,

 :no:

Turn on the house lights, lets see who wants to throw bottles now?  :D

Unbelievable. I can't think of one artist I would pay for and then throw things at. Ignorant "it's because they were late" remarks or not.

It's just stupid and wrong.

I'm recalling Download from the 06 tour though. Maybe things will turn around!

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Photo courtesy of Del James





/jarmo

You could be mine

Really glad for the people who stayed!  : ok:

Guns have balls goin' back on and making a statement at the same time,

DON'T THROW SHIT (except ladies underware and homer simpson dolls af course  :rofl:)

IF that photo was taken after they went back on stage, then yes, they are full of shit.  Let's see if other pictures are taken and posted.

Ali

Sweet child

Twitter:
IrishCrunch To be fair a hell of a lot of those who left gave come back. Place looks kind of full again #gnr #gunsnroses

EXACTLY!! How much of this has been exaggerated?!  The crowd looks pretty full capacity in that photo to me.It seems like this radio station are going OTT

there haven't been incidents like this in a LONG time...it wouldn't be a gnr tour without some sort of controversy, i do get that,...but fuck those assholes for throwing shit.  i just don't understand why you would get annoyed if axl comes onstage late.  you know the deal...it's gnr.  be happy you got to see the greatest band ever.  i havent seen them since '93....i would kill to see them in the u.s. again.  i would also kick someones ass if i saw them throw anything.

is that a sound of security letting people back in???
that's cool!

Although I don't in any way agree with people throwing things or booing, I think it's fair to state that the longer people stand there waiting bored; the more alcohol consumed by those whom will naturally make fools of themselves, meaning they're likely to do stupider things.

It's a shame.

no DJ Solo ?

Dont think Ballad of Death played before SCOM - it was "straight in and flawless"
Dizzy solo

I can't blame all of them house lights were on for pretty long....
it took time to convince axl to come back on stage... but I can't blame the fans for leaving even if they are still real guns fans.
but on the otherside.. it's a shame to blame it all on axl while he isn't the on throwing stuff onstage..

Hope all the throwers were outside now!

Big applause for Dizzy
Street of Dreams, axl sitting on piano

If these fuckers were booing gnr then fuck off!!!  there is no reason to boo axl being late...he has been that way since playing gigs.  when he is ready he will take the stage.  in baton rouge i waited about 2 hours between soundgarden and gnr.  i gotta say the crowd was awesome and nobody grew impatient.  totally worth the wait.  the way i look at it i have waited 18 years to see them again so whats another couple of hours, right?  maybe i am in the minority, i don't know!!!

i think bottles should be banned from gigs. I went to an outdoor gig lately-security took my bottle off me before i went in and then you could buy them from the bar inside for a stupidly high price-robbing bastards. Then some pissedd up wankerthrows em.
Why don't they just do cups only at ALL gigs-the NIA in Birmingham had cups only.inconvienient but safer.

Better

Twitter:
IrishCrunch Oddly enough he seems to be winning the crowd back again #gnr #gunsnroses

i cant beleive these people expected an apology for coming on late!!!!

People seem to think that since it's rock n' roll, the artist should put up with shit thrown at them.

But the same people waving the rock n' roll flag expect the artists to be on stage at 9PM sharp. Even though there's an opening act on at the time...



/jarmo

Hope the radio show goes on till the end of the concert so we'll get some reactions from the fans who stayed, and not the cunts we're listening to right now.

KOHD
(Better was "off the chart sounded awesome")

somebody from here should phone this station an tell them the band IS winning the crowd back an that the stoppage was coz YOU CANNOT EXPECT A BAND TO PLAY WHILE BEING BOTTLED!!!!!!!!!!!!! its fuckin simple science!!!!!!



wooooooowwww Axl has an "attitude" according to some callers  :rofl:

Can't the audience see the stage being changed between acts?

So they obviously knew why the band wasn't onstage at that time.

And this bottle throwing shit happened 5 songs into the show.

November Rain

01 Chinese Democracy
02 Welcome To The Jungle
03 Its So Easy
04 Mr Brownstone
05 Sorry
06 Live And Let Die
07 Rocket Queen
08 Richard Solo (James Bond)
09 This I Love
10 You Could Be Mine
11 Sweet Child O' Mine
12 Dizzy Solo
13 Street Of Dreams
14 Better
15 Knockin' On Heaven's Door
16 November Rain

In days of old Axl would just jump into the crowd and beat up the motherfucker messing with them!

Twitter:
Irishcrunch We're back on track here. November Rain!! Excellently! #gnr #gunsnroses

so do they after support group put together GNR's entire stage? or is it already assembled and they just change out gear?

when i saw Kiss.. everything was set up they just had their big stage covered with a curtain and buckcherry played on a smaller area and once they were done bout 30 mins later  the curtain dropped and it was showtime

I think the pieces are already put together in parts that are moveable by 2 to 4 men. and other parts are being put into place on stage.
so it's not fully put together.. and it's just not only the stage its also soundcrew and gear that has to be changed.

Ron solo - pink panther
ron taking pics of the crowd 

Thanks for the updates Julia!  :peace:

Gear comes off the stage and other gear goes on the stage.

They check gear too.

And sometimes they need to fix stuff.




/jarmo

When i saw GNR in Toronto this year the stage is put together from what i could tell. Curtains were just removed, i think Franks drum set was already on stage... of course the crew was doing some change-over but for the most part it seemed the stage itself was done.

No probs at all - its thanks to Derby Greg whose sending 'em to me from the gig  : ok:

Nightrain

yeah i think people don't take into account safety issue stuff as well. like they have to make sure pyro is working, positioned properly, changing out gear, sure they have to rework the main sound board that is out in the crowd cause i seriously doubt same board settings are used for Danko or whomever opens.

I guess the only ones i sympathize with are the general admission folks who have to stand the entire time... still no excuse to throw anything.. if u have a seat however like at a venue, u should jus sit, meet people around u, have a good time.

its like going to an awesome party... who wants that to end early? seriously?

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"Axl standing still singing a few more people are off the christmas card list"

Band off
Back on - Madagascar

DJ playing guitar with a drumstick

That's funny.  Unfortunately that Christmas card list seems to be getting shorter by the day.  Weed out the troublemakers.  Who needs'em?

Ballad of Death

wow!! i love it!!!! xoxo  :D

i thought he does his solo before scom

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yeah, the setlist are weird

tonight, nothing goes the usual way

Including the break, I guess this show is going on for a while now.. Does anyone knows how long?

I'm guessing about 2 and a half hours including the break.

ENCORE
Madagacar
*Dj playing his guitar with a drumstick*
Ballad of Death by Dj Ashba
Paradise City
*end of the concert

2 hours 10 minutes if i'm counting right...

Thanks guys!

And thanks for the updates too!

aww man, i was hoping for something special after ballad of death since it was played out of order  :crying:

whats the full setlist

thanks for the updates  : ok:

I think this is it:

September 1st, 2010 - Dublin, Ireland @ The O2 SOLD OUT
Setlist: Chinese Democracy, Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Sorry, Live And Let Die, Rocket Queen, Richard Fortus Guitar Solo (James Bond Theme), This I Love, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child O' Mine, Dizzy Reed Piano Solo/Street Of Dreams, Better, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, November Rain, Bumblefoot Guitar Solo (Pink Panther)/Nightrain

Encore: Madagascar, Dj Ashba Guitar Solo (Ballad Of Death)/Paradise City

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Thanks for the updates!  :beer:





/jarmo

Someone in the audience recorded the show, all I know is their a member on the dime.

Thanks Julia and Derby Greg and everyone who gave updates!!!  :beer:

Paradise city to finish (but no end solo ??)

You're welcome, cheers loads to Greg and to everyone else who updated from the gig and sent pics etc  :peace:

that setlist would please me anyday.......but why isnt there more CD songs?

this album needs to be promoted!!!!

The stage is done in advance, yes. Lighting rig, pyro, and other shit likely need to be checked or at least re-checked prior to GN'R going on.

They played 6 Chinese Democracy tracks this show.

In comparison, I saw Stone Temple Pilots last weekend. Their album's just a few months old yet they only played 4 new songs.

That said the more CD songs the better, I do agree :)

Jarmo

Thank You


Guns n Roses Rock in Rio 2004/Brazil/ Rio de Janeiro
 :beer:

Tks everyone for the updates!!!  ;D

This reminds me of Download 2006.

Some assholes trying to ruin it for everybody, the band kept going and finished the set.

The assholes didn't win this time either.



/jarmo

Thanks Babydolls and Derby Greg for all the updates.  You guys Rock!  :peace:

Paradise city
http://yfrog.com/mzjjmz

Thanks!

Weird to see Axl standing in one spot while singing..

why was that?

Such drama...just in from the gig! Some guy passed us with 3 bottles of piss! That's what was thrown at Axl. Why would someone want to come to a gig, pay their money, then throw piss at the band. Axl warned if anything else was thrown he'd go home. Ten mins after that another bottle just missed him and Axl left. The band were gone for half an hour or more. Lots of people left, very angry. I was arguing with people outside, defending Axl. Eventually they came back on and the gig was awesome but there was less people there and Axl just stood there the whole gig. No clothing changes or dancing. He sounded fuckin' amazing though. Because he wasn't moving the vocals were spot on. The rest of the band bounced all over the place. Some people were pissed off at the beginning because of the late start and started booing, I wanted to punch them and tell them to go home. Anyway, thanks for the show guys, I hope this doesn't put Axl off coming to Ireland again. Peace!

At least we will have a great perfomance from axl's voice this show, just like better from download 06'

Overall the gig was great and full of drama, but Axl clearly not enjoying himself put a dampener on the gig. Here's my review:

Danko were actually really good. Why the support act were on so late I have no idea, but perhaps GnR agreed a later starting time with the venue beforehand, I'm not sure. Anyway they came on about 10.30, about 70 minutes after Danko. The techs were setting up all the time, but quite slowly, not rushed at all, so I'm not sure if this was the cause of the delay. A lot of people starting getting angry and some people nearly left I think. Unfortunate, really. A fight broke out in front of me, no idea why.

Unfortuately, things with Axl got off to a bad start. He couldn't move during Chinese Democracy, because the chord on his earphone became loose and the technician came on and spent ages trying to fix it. In fact, the technician spent nearly all the first two versus and chorus trying to tie this thing back in place on Axl's back so Axl was stood still which obviously wasn't ideal. I felt sorry for the technician, so much pressure, and whatever he was trying to tie just wouldn't tie. Eventually Axl just broke free and went crazy jumping around the stage, but I'd imagine he wasn't happy with the technician. Apart from that the song rocked. Then Welcome To The Jungle started and after each time he played the intro, DJ Ashba cupped his ear towards the crowd. Embarrassingly a lot of people booed when he did this. Then just before the first verse of Jungle Axl stopped the song and said that if one more bottle is thrown they are going home. He then asked if people wanted them to play or not, and he got a mixed reacton. I just watched the video and Axl responded sarcastically with "subtle." I tried starting an Axl chant but didn't really happen. The rest of the song and the next few songs were awesome. Was great hearing Sorry live, probably the highlight of the show. Then Axl said "On the guitar, Mr. Richard Fortus. Ok, you have a good night, enjoy yourselves, bye". And all the band members walked off stage. He wasn't smiling much in the beginning and the incident with the technician and the boos probably pissed him off, compounded by whatever was thrown. The only time he smiled during the night was when him and Stinson were joking or shoulder barging each other, haha.

Some person at the venue came out and said there were technical issues, and then a member of the GnR crew came out and said they are trying to get Axl back on stage, to get the crowd to stop throwing bottles, etc.

There was a break of half an hour and some people left (nowhere near 70%!! more like 1% or less) anyway this was good for two reasons, firstly I think a lot of the assholes left and secondly, I got to go right up the front haha. After Live And Let Die, Tommy Stinson was joking around with Axl again and then took the microphone and re-assured the crowd and talked about the great time in 2006. I'm fairly sure he played a crucial role in getting Axl back on stage.

The rest of the show was awesome, and the new songs really sounded even more incredible live. But it was clear Axl wasn't happy and wanted to just get out of there. During Knocking On Heaven's Door, he picked up the microphone that allows him to speak to the band members and said something, and then crossed his hand over his neck. Everyone thought that meant the show was gonna end again haha. Actually, he did it just towards the end of DJ's solo and then they went straight into the final chorus, so they left out the call-and-response bit with the audience (I'm assuming they still do that on this tour). In addition the Paradise City outro was much shorter and pretty much went straight into the vocal outro. He also said "baby, please good night" not mentioning Dublin; not sure of thats he always says on this tour. There was also no piano solo before November Rain. Seemed like he just wanted to get of there as quickly as possible. He just stood in one spot throughout the gig (from Live And Let Die onwards), and then during the solos he leaned up against the stage backdrop - he didn't leave the stage during guitar solos (he did leave during the individual guitar player's solo songs, eg pink panther, ballad of death, etc, but stayed on stage for the solos during the GnR songs). On the positive side, his voice sounded really amazing, I guess standing still has its benefits. But clearly if the lead singer isn't having fun and doesn't want to be there (even if its justified) its going to reduce the enjoyment of the gig for the people there. When he wasn't singing, he looked so bored...........I wondered what was going through his head at that point. He obviously done something right, there was a big Axl chant at the end.

Fortunately, the other guys were on top form and won the crowd back on their own. I think they were great in 2006, but now they are much better. Last time people complained about the "boring guitar solos between songs" this time they went down really well and people loved the other band members who were full of energy and enthusiasm. I think I got into one of BBF's photos haha. Remember I said earlier that people booed DJ Ashba when he cupped his ear during WTTJ? He did it again during Ballad of Death and people cheered like crazy. Axl is fortunate to have guys like these backing him up!

The gig went on from about 10.30 - 01.00. Not including the interlude, it was over two hours. A great night, full of drama, excitement and amazing music, just a shame Axl didn't have a good night in Ireland.


Also, Mysteron suggesting all people do in Dublin is drink? Think you've been watching too much Family Guy and the Simpsons.

There is not one excuse for anyone to ever throw stuff at the band,  it is sad people that want to ruin good fun.  I think it was Argentina where Axl once said if you see somebody beside you throwing something beat the fucking shit outta them.  And you know what?  That is a really good way to control this thing, its what I would do if someone was near me throwing bottles at the band.  a few rejects in thousands of decent people is horrible.

I am glad they at least played the rest of the set, I would have gone home myself, Kudos to the band :)

Chinese Democracy and Welcome To The Jungle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9jq_jPJ6lw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9jq_jPJ6lw

JUNGLE

Dude, i don't think a few idiots throwing bottles gives u the right to desecrate an entire country..........

OMFG!!!! the best paradise city i've heard during the 09-10 tour  :o (at least vocally speaking)

a big thank you to estrangedpaul for his review  :peace:

edit: in that chidem + jungle video posted above, you can see axl jumping like crazy and trashing the earphone in the floor (0:20 - 0:25) This was absolutely a crazy show

I got to that about 3 minutes before you

The band really sounds amazing in all those clips.





People don't realize what the whole throwing shit on stage does. Not only can it hit a band or crew member, or a fellow audience member, and cause physical injury.

But when you get water or other liquids all over the stage, the stage becomes slippery.

A slippery stage is not exactly optimal. Imagine how careful you must be in the winter when the streets are icy and slippery.





/jarmo

Hang in there Del.

thats nasty also..so is it bottles without lids? so whatever is in the bottles come out? so if someone had piss in a bottle, they could get piss on their clothes etc?

thats fucked up. if i were ever in a crowd and saw someone throwing something id go tell security immediately.

you can tell how pissed is axl if you listen to the "Watch it bring you to your FUCKING KNEES" during welcome to the jungle

Why do people throw shit, that is really screwed up. Something is really wrong if someone wants to do that.

I was saying the same thing earlier. As soon as I read about this, it reminded me of Download 06. Good for GN'R for carrying on. Fuck the assholes for throwing shit.

And by now people shouldn't go to a show expect the band to come on early. They go on late, but that's normal, so people need to get over it. I saw GnR 3 times and they came on around 11 every time. I did not expect them to come on at 8, or 9.

Fuck! The last 3 times I saw GN'R they came on after midnight. I'd be pleased as punch with a 10:30 start!  :hihi:

That's bullshit that the 'fans' were throwing piss bottles -- I wish the people there were vigilante and gave that person a proper beat down.

I have no other words than Chapeau for Axl and the band for COMPLETING! the setlist! the things i've witnessed and experienced there where unbelievable. even during Danko ppl where shouting for slash and throwing bottles up front. 20 minutes in the stage changes ppl where booing etc....so strange to have been there up front.

and because of all of that b*llshit i missed my carpool to the airport  :rant: :rofl: right DJ :hihi: ...and am waiting here for my cab to arrive...guess i will sleep on the plane ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLUUQdqA0I

throwing shit onstage is stupid, never understood it.  This is a band you paid money to see and you are going to throw stuff at them?  Dumb.  GNR had every right to walk off.  It is unfortunate that 2 or 3 assholes can ruin it for 20,000 people, I think the fans should start taking some action as well by pointing out to security when someone throws something so they can be ejected from the venue.  I know if I saw someone getting ready to throw something at Axl or any band I went to see for that matter, i would either  try to stop them and if I couldnt do that in time I would get security and get them kicked out.  People dont realize you can seriously injure someone with a bottle, nevermind the type of injury that can result from a wet stage, you could break your neck.

Wow, you can see the roadies running around like maniacs trying to wipe up the mess and then a fountain squirting through the air by one of the bottles.  That is just utterly ridiculous.  People are animals.

People comments on this video are as ignorant as the fuckers who booed and threw shit onstage. Those people should never ever be allowed to see the band live again.

I posted this over at www.gnrevolution.com but I might as well post it here too.

About the going on late.  Why does it seem like all of a sudden, the late starts are getting so much attention?  Am I crazy to think that it's due to the coverage it got leading up to the Reading/Leeds festivals?  They put it out in the press, pretty much warning the crowd that they could be in for a long wait.  I know it's been said to death, but they've ALWAYS gone on late.  And 1 hour, a half hour, 1 and a half hours, that's not exactly breaking any records.  A lot of shows have close to an hour wait in between the opening act and the main act.  I went to see Tom Petty a few weeks back and he went on about an hour after Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

It just seems like there's something a little extra going on here.  It's a nightly occurrence that things are hurled at the stage now.  It's almost a part of the show.  Maybe they should build themselves a bubble that they can play in for protection.

Honestly though, it just seems some concertgoers are taking matters into their own hands and they feel they have the right to become part of the show.  I mean, this was a SOLD OUT show and this happened.  I just don't get it.

Between clearing the stage assembling the headliners stage and doing proper checkings it could easily take an hour and if there is a difficulty theres no doubt it could take more. Plus I'm sure the bad grabs their stuff and prep before going on. I have absolutely no problem with the band going on late it's none of my concern I'm here for the show. The way I see it I'm going to a concert I don't expect to be out of the arena until at least 2AM.

I was at Greensboro 2006 show and it must have been a 2hr wait and I walked around the building a little got some drinks and waited watching the fights break out and the women behind me flashing themselves.

It's rock n' roll I don't expect rules

it amazes me how Bumblefoot plays the final CD solo exactly, bit by bit, than its on the album. Just fabulous  :peace:

edit: omg! Axl's voice in jungle is just like the kind of voice I can imagine satan must have! Pure aggressiveness!

Im sorry, but im really struggling to justify the turn around time.
They have 99% of the stage setup before the support band goes on..... Having already completed sound checks earlier.
Even an hour is exceptional.
Iv been to well over 200 gigs and have never experienced a wait between bands like that.
The longest iv ever waited was gnr at Hammersmith!
OK festivals are different, but i think Axl really is going struggle making excuses for this one.
His Reading tweet was plausable, but i cant wait to hear this one.
We expect (although not appreciate) it as fans..... but i cant blame the casual or tag-along fan expressing frustration (although not condoning bottle throwing)

Not trying to justify the delays or criticizing the band for them either ? but doesn?t everyone know by now that GNR go on stage late? Hardcore or casual fans, I?d guess most people who go to the show must probably know a little about the band, no? And these ?delays? are likely to be heard of? For whatever reason, it?s not uncommon to wait over an hour between bands in a GNR show.

And when I go to a GNR show (or any other for that matter), if I paid to see a certain headliner band, the wait is usually not such a big deal, if anything it?s a slight annoyance. I can understand that other people might feel differently, especially if they have to get up early the next day or something like that ? but that takes me back to what I first said, isn?t a late show expected with GNR?

Anyway, about throwing stuff on stage ? a few morons can really spoil things for everyone else, and I wish security could have a more active role in kicking out those people. (On my first GNR show in 92 my friend was hurt because of stuff thrown to the stage).

Read again, carefully this time, what Mysteron wrote, and maybe you'll want to apologize to him afterwards...

well i expected to get up this morning to a cancelled show and riots breaking out! so proud of the band specially Axl for going back on i must admit i`m mystified to what happened you just have a feeling that a small minority went there to make trouble and even if the band had gone on at 9pm they were still going to cause trouble. once again thanks to the band. :peace:

Wow, what an evening.

Will post a full review later when I get back to the UK but looking quickly through the comments here from my Dublin hotel it sounds like you guys have covered much of it off. The band sounded amazing but honestly the attitudes of some people who just want to hate and throw stuff is garbage - there were people at that show who would have thrown stuff if the band had come on at 9. Whatever.

The band triumphed and that's all I have to say for now.

GREG

applaus to the band! for coming back on stage and finishing their set.
I would've ran... especialy when the guy from the o2 came one.. just only booos  I would've left and never came back.
or say to the crowd sorry for those who actualy wanted to see us.. but there are some people who just like to F*ck with everyone's show so we are going home! goodnight!

I'm actually exhausted trying to defend Axl Rose... I'd a great night. There were people there who shouldn't have bothered coming...idiots! They ruined it for Axl and the real fans!

Indeed, and a few people is all it takes between 14.000 fans!

And people say that Axl doesn?t care about the fans.. 

To be honest, there is a few things that should be pointed out...
The doors were opened at 6:30pm.  For some reason the support act played for 90 mins!  (Do Danko usually play for that long?)
GNR came on after 10pm.  Public transport in Dublin finishes at 11:30pm.  People were told that the car park closed at 11:30pm and some people were even threatened with 100 euro fines.
So the crowd did have some reasons to be upset.  (Not that this condones throwing bottles).

A small number of people ruined the gig for others.  But when Axl left the stage.. the house lights came on and staff told people the show was finished and to leave.  So people did.

unfortunately Axl wasnt happy when he came back out.  Its cool that he finished the show though.
After the show, some people claim they saw Axl yelling at fan's in the car park. ha.

Ive been to many shows in Dublin and there hasn't been anything like this that i remember.

MCD are making an announcement at 10:30 apparently.  (20 mins time).

Venues should just ban bottles and do bag checks as you go to the floor (Wembley for example), it works fine and will reduce this bullshit behaviour massively.  It's dangerous, disrespectful and fucking embarrassing to be watching your favourite band when the actions of a few lone dickheads create a situtation that alters everything, changes the atmopshere for EVERYONE , ESPECIALLY the band to a negative. 

I applaud them for coming back onstage after this. Harks back to Download 2006 indeed.  I have nothing but deeper respect for them all.

An hour for changeover is perfectly reasonable when you're talking about pyros and firey things (LALD) and a set/lighting show such as GnR - or do we want another Hetfield '92 incident?? Of course not.  If checks are not made, mistakes can happen and people can be hurt onstage. And wet stages are probably the most dangerous for obvious reasons, whether thats water or piss (this revolts me). 

Please Is GN`R...

One of the big problems though is that the gates were opened at half 6!  If people buy a ticket to see GNR, they want to see GNR.  The support act was on for like 90 mins.  No disrespect to them, but people don't want to see a support act for that long.  Then another one hour wait after the support act.

So the total time between gates opening and GNR going on was 4 hours.  Regardless of whose fault that is, its a very long wait.  We know Axl will always be a bit late but it sounds a bit poorly organised too,

 : ok:

why some guys dont want to have some fun... Rock N Roll!
Anyway that's why i love this band... unpredictable!

My hat goes off to Axl and the band. Last night was total bullshit and they got back up there and rocked. I know who the better man is! And it sure the hell isn't the asshole with a piss bottle.

+1 =))

But main bands are never going to be onstage anything close to the door opening time.  If it's one support band for 90 mins or two support bands during that time, this is standard before the main act at a gig. 

This is not from me but taken from another forum... but just some info for people that were told to leave etc.

Just been onto ticketmaster. Official word is no refunds will be given as the band played a full set (disrupted as it may be). They did advise to file a complaint via email to them & MCD & then "something might be arranged". The gig was recorded & no announcement was made of a call off so as far as they are concerned, despite what people were told by individual employees around the O2, the gig was played as stated. He did mention that tickets never state a beginning or end time for just this reason.

They advised that everyone in your party makes an individual complaint rather than one for all.

Ok, drama... ;D

At least Axl is in the media, they write about this all over the norwegian news. More tour-pr ;>

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http://www.nrk.no/kultur_og_underholdning/1.7274992

http://www.abcnyheter.no/node/116308

Video of the drama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLUUQdqA0I)

That's pretty much all that can be said.

It's likely nothing to do with the start time either. If 10.30 is past your bedtime and you respond by throwing your bottle out of your pram, you're the fuckhead. Chances are, some drunk asshole just thought "Hey let's go throw piss at Axl Rose, hurp durp..."

what does the first line say? and right after a dude from there got offended so yeah, seems to me he was blaming everyone for 3 or so people.

Statement issued by Promoters MCD & the management of The O2 regarding the Guns N' Roses concert at The 02, Dublin, Wednesday 1st September 2010.

Despite every effort being made by promoters to ensure Guns N' Roses would go on stage on time, they went on at 22.26hrs having been due to be on stage at 21.45hrs, support artist finished at 21:00hrs.

During the second song Axl requested members of crowd who were throwing plastic glass's containing unknown substances to immediately stop or he would have no option but to leave the stage. He confirmed band's wish to perform stating "we want to stay..one more bottle and we go home". Despite his continued appeals, having tried to continue performing for 22 minutes,
people continued throwing unknown substances leaving artist with no choice but to leave the stage.

From the stage MCD Promoter Denis Desmond again appealed to audience to refrain from throwing items and stated that the band would be back on stage shortly.

The artist was prevented from leaving the venue by the Promoter and following backstage discussions Guns N' Roses went back on stage at 23.20 hrs and performed their full set until 00.53 hrs.

While the artist has a long history for being late on stage (Slane 1992 - crowd waiting 2 hours and last weekend's UK Reading festival), NO artist should be subjected to missiles and unknown substances being thrown at them. However, despite this the band went back on stage after people stopped throwing items performing their full set of songs in full.

MCD and The 02 wish to apologise for any inconvenience caused due to late running of the show.

Typical of MCD and the venue... blame the band and the fans.  Crowd might not have been so hostile if staff hadn't of told them the car park was closing at half 11 and they could be fined if their cars weren't out by then.  Or if the staff hadn't of told people to leave.

Was quite funny. Danko must have only intended to play for an hour. However, he was clearly told to drag out the show as GnR wouldn't be taking the stage until a long time after. So he played an extra half an hour telling big long stories and dragging out the songs.

It says Dublin, not Dubliners. I am saying Dublin has been spoilt by all the tourists going there and getting drunk.

It's good to see the band went back on though. That takes alot of courage.

This is my first time posting here for a while for reasons I wont go into right now, but I just want to say I'm from Dublin, and went to both the Belfast and Dublin gigs; for the city thats meant to have "troubles" Belfast was hands down the more enjoyable and laid back and positive gig. Even in the queue for the O2 there seemed to be trouble brewing, lots of drunk people who seemed to be at the gig for one reason and one reason only, to stir shit. It pisses me right off that someone or some people would attend a concert to throw fucking bottles at the lead singer, its childish, immature and nearly ruined the whole night for everyone. Anyone who wants to blame Axl or anyone else but the crowd for that matter need only consider the absolutely incredible gig at the Odyssey in Belfast; its simple, dont fucking push Axl. If he says he'll leave the stage if another bottle is thrown, you better believe he means it. I'm embarrassed to be from Dublin after that fucking charade, and I can only say kudos to Axl for standing up for his and his band's safety and not taking horseshit from ignorant scumbags out to ruin everyone else's night. When the band took back to the stage it was clear that Axl wasnt happy, but still nailed his vocals, and gave who was left in the arena, the real fucking fans, what they deserved, a Guns n Roses show.

I used to visit this place years ago but haven't been around for so long that I have forgotten my password. All I can say is I was at the gig last night and I can safely that say those people throwing bottles were just scumbags i think most sensible people realise that this wasn't axl's doing it was those assholes I've been trawling the web looking for irish articles that support Axl's side in this but so far have only found one  http://rulehibernia.com/2010/09/axl-rose-welcome-to-dublin/ I guess its because the people who were throwing the bottles are also the people with the biggest mouths

well to me it was blaming everyone when in reality it may have been 1 or 2 idiots.  Same with this last night. Has to be a better way to handle this situation.

why not, turn the house lights on.. say u aren't playing until the person who threw the bottle is pointed out.

im sure the crowd would very quickly point them out. security throws them out, u continue show without a hitch.


let me ask u this Mysteron... does this crowd throw bottles at every band who plays there? Cause going by what u say, they should do the same stuff at every concert regardless of the band on the bill. They don't. they got pissed obviously at waiting and acted unruly. no excusing throwing bottles ever but seems they felt anger due to the wait.

Am I missing something here? So you think the staff made a mistake telling people who need to go to work the next day, that if they go over certain time limit they might not get their car out? wat
Or was the closing time fabricated?
Anyway, everyone knows how all of this could've been avoided.

I think thats a good point about getting the crowd to point the f*ckers out

Not deffending "Gn'R" getting on stage more than a bit late.

...But according to alot of people there, there was more than just 1 or 2 idiots were throwing things and not just bottles of water at band members..

I don't think Metallica or anyone else would stay around after 5 songs with that kind of crowd.

yeah but have Metallica ever had bottles thrown at them? have other  bands had the same problem is what i am asking? and there were 3 bottles thrown right?

so at most 3 people threw bottles.

so that is far from everyone or a high number.

GNR played Leeds in the pouring rain and Axl had no problems moving all over the stage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL1dvdGoOvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL1dvdGoOvk)


Don't think he stayed

From Dj's Facebook:

Dj ASHBA?  Many thx to all of you who stuck it out with us last night, turning a negative night into a positive one, and for not allowing a few bad apples in the crowd to spoil our fun! Here in Rome, this place is in-f%$#ing-sane!!! Wow, it's beyond beautiful here. Got to get some zzzzzzz...... ttyl.
24 minutes ago



Three too many.

Plenty of artist have had objects thrown at them and done the same thing GN'R did.

Some never even came back on.




It doesn't really matter if it's one, three or a hundred.





So? When it rains you notice it. You know it's gonna be slippery because it's fucking raining!

When it's not raining and suddenly there's a slippery spot on stage, you might be in trouble.






/jarmo

I'm irish and was so pissed off with other people there last night. Harden the fuck up!!! It's a rock n roll show! I don't blame Axl for fucking off. So glad he came back on. His voice was amazing and the band are tight and really worth watching!!! The people booing should've stayed at home and watched a Westlife DVD

Was no rain at Leeds your thinking of Reading

The band in general was protected from rain by the stage, the main section that was getting wet was Axls Walkway, which we watched the crew staple towel to the floor and generally mop that shit up, imagine running across the stage, its dry dry dry all of a sudden wet, most times youll be lucky and catch yourself, sometimes you'll hit the deck as Axl has done in the past, like Jarmo says when its raining your on your guard too, in an arena, not too much chance of rain eh. Just pricks with bottles.

The ones to blame for last night was the two idiots/muppets that threw the bottles on stage. As already stated these two people should have been pointed out and banned from the 02. Not just kicked out last night. You dont need to throw bottles of whatever crap at an artist/band to show your pissed off for whatever reason. It could have been a great gig, but was ruined by these idiots. When Axl came back out he was just not interested in being there.
That said GNR should learn to come on stage at the time they are supposed to and not use every excuse in the book for not coming on. Every other band can do it, why not GNR?? There is nothing rock n' roll about been late. I think what happened last night was something that was waiting to happen because of all these late on stage times.
Please remember people there was about 14000 fans there last night and this was because of 2. It was nothing to do about Dublin or Ireland, this could have happened at any show/ anywhere.
Hopefully this will not put GNR off coming back here again.
 

D, im from Dublin. Ive been to many many gigs and ive never seen anyone throwing bottles at  bands.
Metallica have played here 3 or 4 times in the last few years without any incident.
The Guns N Roses show in 2006 went by without any incident.  (they were on time that day).
This gig was ruined for 2 reasons.  The band came on late and some idiots threw bottles at them.

i know this band has to deal with a lot of hate but leaving is only playing into the haters hands.
They probably went to get a reaction outta Axl and they got it.

Here's some simple math:

You + Being mad about GN'Rs late start times = You staying home.

Fair enough?

Because it's GN'R.

Isn't it obvious that GN'R just isn't like any other band?

A lot of bands go on at the exact time they're supposed to be on. And then act out the show. People get to be in bed before midnight and everyone is happy.

 ::)


I've seen other bands come on stage late. I've seen bands play shows when maybe they shouldn't have played because the singer had no voice (Marilyn Manson)....

As long as it's human beings on stage performing, things like this will happen.



If the opening act is still on at 9PM, maybe you need to take a hint and realize that maybe the headliner won't be done at 11PM as you had hoped.



/jarmo

well GNR were on time back in 2006

my biggest question is, if the curfew is 11pm, why is the support act going on at 8?

shouldn't the support act go on at 7 to 8 then that gives an hour 15 or so for the change over, GNR at 9:10 like 2006.. no problems.

Ive heard people were told their cars would be locked up at midnight etc... so  i blame a lot on whoever riled the fans up with fear etc.

So?

Different day, different situation.


I'm surprised you're the one bringing this up. Considering you change your opinion on GN'R more often than some change underwear.

Your opinion changes from day to day. So how come you're comparing one show to another without realizing that maybe things weren't the same?





Well they didn't turn off the sound now did they....





/jarmo

im not saying anything is wrong with the late start. im just saying, u have people saying how the crowd acts a certain way and i was just pointing out GNR had no incident in 2006.

if u know a crowd is infamous for being unruly, why be surprised when they act unruly?

my opinion hasn't changed. I just think there are better ways to deal with certain situations so 14k people aren't potentially endangered.

Turn on house lights, tell the crowd u aren't playing till the person responsible is pointed out.  Make leaving the last option.
if no one points the person out, then leave but my money is on the perpetrator being handed over with the swiftness.

When does it stop being the fans' fault? *bottle throwing aside which is never cool* but this Euro tour has started off pretty bad. 3 of 4 shows have already had big time controversies etc...

now is that rock n roll? is that cool? maybe   but in 2010 with the internet and people no longer really caring about that stuff, it can't be good for business.

Because it's quite obvious from what people have said here that it wasn't water or even beer that was being thrown. I sure as hell wouldn't stand around while bottles of piss were being thrown at me and I don't really know anyone else who would either. So why the fuck should the band have to deal with it?

There was no incident in Belfast the night before.




It wasn't the crowd, it was a little group.





If things were that simple.

You think everything will be fine just because in your scenario everything plays out the way you planned?

What if the coward isn't found and you end the show?



This is becoming a Dead Horse topic and those of you wanting to keep going that route can do so in the proper section...




/jarmo

exactly its amazing that everybody seems to be blaming axl for this its the people trying to physically hurt the band members that are to blame

Hahahaha this is the reason why i like Axl Rose...This is the best band 9in the fuckin world

It seems there was no curfew at all or they arranged to cancel it this night. MCD said GnR were due on stage 9:45 so they obviously arranged a later time in advance which was the correct way to do things. So the support act were due to play 8 until 9. However with GnR not ready to go on at their allotted time, the support continued by telling stories and dragging out songs until 9.30. GnR turned up at 10.30. Nevertheless, there was never an issue with the show continuing until 1 o'clock. If the representives of the venue made it clear that there would be no curfew and cars wouldn't get locked into the car parks at the venue, it would have resolved the situation. A lot of people felt they wouldn't get a full show especially after what happened at Reading, and there was a lot of uncertainty. Anyway, just wanted to explain why the support act went on when they did.

Then when Axl left, the venue Security shouldn't have been telling people to leave until they were sure the gig was over. These are things people are annoyed about.

To be fair to D, I don't think he has changed his opinion on GnR. Just because he loves the band, doesn't mean he won't be unhappy about some things.

In relation to jamies statement that only the real fucking fans were left is utter bollox .

I left when the house lights came on as i really felt uncomfortable with the way things were brewing.........simple as.

I firmly belived we were going to have a st louis pt2.



 

well thats one thing about a guns n roses concert you never know what the fuck is going to happen

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With regards to the "gig was over" i believe there was a lot of confusion, with even the crew thinking it was over, seems Axl had a change of heart.

I'm Irish and I'm pissed off because I really wanted to see this band perform in my home city again and when they came out, late, I accepted it. But they were off the stage for more like 40 minutes and I could have stayed - and missed the last bus, without the money to walk home - or I could have gone and thought, at least I have a ticket to Manchester. I took the latter option, but I still believe wholeheartedly in a refund, no performer deserves to be abused the way Axl was last night....none...BUT the promoters should have called it a day there and then as opposed to trying to coax Axl back on

This led to several situations

1. Those who left had no re entry to the gig if they tried to get in
2. Those who already got the last bus because they depended on public transport (and the 02 Arena is in an isolated area and this is mid week so no night buses etc) had no option to go back
3. 02 Security told people to go home
4. There were 2 announcements made, at which point the houselights came up, and there were no further announcements made before Axl came back on...therefore there was a good 20 minutes during which the house lights were up and nobody had any information other then to sit and see what happens while morons in the crowd got restless and started jeering and shouting
5. Axl's performance, when he returned - looking at YouTube footage - was atrocious, he was not in good spirits, and the remainder of the audience did not get a good performance and he left the country almost straight after the gig. But since he played the promoters now have this loophole that they don't have to issue a refund despite how much of a shambles and continually delayed the performance was

Totally agree.  The crowd had plenty of reason's to be worried.
most people thought there was a curfew and were afraid of the plug being pulled or their cars getting locked in a car park.  Some were even threatened with fine's.

The information staff gave people wasnt consistent.  Maybe they began changing their stories cos the band were later than they'd hoped... i dont know.

But the whole thing was a mess.  reading through some forums today and it looks like some people are concerned about buying tickets for upcoming shows.

Whereas I'm sure some real GnR fans left before the band went back on what I meant was, there were no shit stirrers left when the band went back on, there wasnt a single person, that I heard anyways, booing and acting the prick when the band went back on, so the dickheads who think it's funny to throw bottles and chant we want slash had all left. So I stand by what I said. And I was right at the front of the stage, so I had worries about a nasty situation breaking out too, I seen a guy jump the barricades saying he was going to kill Axl, so what I did was just drop back to about the middle of the crowd and stood there waiting for an announcement, definitively telling us the show was over, which didnt come, so I seen the rest of the show, at a safe distance from the stage.

Security really needs to do a better job...no bottles, and beer should be served in cups only.  Why would anyone pay money to see a show and then assault the band?  These are assholes looking for attention, anyway they can get it. Think its funny and they can tell their friends how they almost caused Axl to start a riot or something.  Axl and band, I cannot say enough about your professionalism, despite the all bullshit and piss thrown your way!  

I'm still in Ireland Dublin (managed to find an internet cafe), Greg has just left for the airport, I'm on the flight after him back to Birmingham UK. I was with Greg as he was updating, and congrats to him as it was getting abit pushy where we was. I've had an amazing time in Dublin and want to thank Greg for being a cool touring buddy.

As we was coming out of the airport, Greg spotted the GN'R Jet on the runway. I took a photo but it's a bit blured, will upload when I get home, you can see the jet but not in great detail. Then I checked into my hotel and met Greg again an hour later, for pre show drinks. There wasn't a whole lot of people in the bar, but still a fare few. Had a chat with a guy who brought his son to his first ever show, a good way to break him in.

Then we headed for the show, got into the venue where I brought a shirt, and then we tried to get a good spot. (Danko Jones had already started). We got somewhere in the centre and as Danko Jones said his praises for Dublin, the crowd was getting excited. Danko played a really good set and set the stage nicely for Guns N' Roses.

The GN'R techs were setting up the equipment, and at this time, people started to get a little crazy. After the equipment was ready and things were in place. Bumble stood on the edge of the stage while the intro music was playing, it seemed like he was shocked to hear it come on.

Then the show, which I'm sure everybody knows about. The first four songs was insane, a really rough crowd, but hey I wasn't complaining. Then the bottle and Axl rightfully goes backstage. Then as the crew was trying to get the stage safe again, more bottles were thrown by idiots. When bottles are being thrown the artist doesn't need to put himself in possible danger, simple as. I was ready for the show to be rightfully over, but to GN'Rs credit, they came back on and rocked people faces off. In my view it was a GN'R victory in the face of opposing forces. The band once again was tight as fuck and played every song to perfection.

Then just as we was coming out of the venue we saw a black escort coming out the side entrance, which must have been literally 10 mins after Guns came offstage. It had a strong chance of being Axl as there was security escorts with walkie talkies surrounding the vehicle.

It really was an awesome show and one I'll never forget, thanks to everyone who made it special.

 :love:

I'll post more about the show including GN'Rs epic performance when I'm in the UK later.

LOL LOL Axl just stands there, <3 the walkoff :hihi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZLIQ-WO1A

But by then its far too late for anyone to anything.

if u have read my posts, which u obviously haven't,  i have said the bottle throwing is unacceptable. People are just giving these excuses why he stood in the back and sang the songs and i just don't buy it. the rest of the band were moving all over the stage etc. He was obviously pissed and rightfully so but don't try and tell me he stood for fear of slipping.

I'm not blaming anyone but 4 Euro shows, 3 controversies............ will the trend continue? i certainly hope not.

The Dublin promoter should've came out after Danko and announced to the crowd that c urfew was lifted and the car park would not be locked and maybe they should arrange a special late night bus service in advance. All of that would've alleviated the hostility and fear in the crowd im sure. people understand 11pm curfew midnight lockage... so in their minds,they are probably thinking they spent all this money for a 40 min show.. they've read all the BS in the press about the Reading thing... and im sure they feared something similar. if the promoter comes out and assures the crowd a full show will happen, id almost bet things would've went a lot smoother.

This thing has been exaggerated, as usual when it's Axl or GN'R related.

I'm sure in a few months it will be reported that "Axl was six hours late"....


Dankoe Jones ended their set around 9:10. Then you have at least 30-45 minutes for the change over. That makes it closer to 10PM...

If all goes well.

The GN'R show started around 10:20PM.






/jarmo

I actually did read your posts which is why I was responding to this one about the bottles being thrown and getting wet "like it was rain."

As for why Axl stood still throughout the rest of the show, you're damn right he was pissed. I don't think I would want to finish a show either after having to put up with being pelted with piss bottles. There is only so much someone is willing to take in those kinds of situations and it is very obvious Axl was at his limit and I don't blame him.

Figure out other arrangements for getting home otherwise don't go to the show?  Why is it people have no problem hanging out a bar til 3am, but GNR goes on stage at 10:30 and people are up in arms?  Enjoy the downtime before the show starts.  Have a drink.  Socialize!  WTF is everyone complaining about?  If I see GN'R, I might take the next day off work, its a holiday, they don't come through that often, enjoy the experience.  

Yeah but here they were under the impression the car park would be locked at midnight. which is why if the promoter would've cleared all that up with the curfew and the car park.. it probably takes away some of the anxiety/hostility.

Exactly! It's not like the band plays a city 4 or 5 times a year. It's one night every few years so what's the big deal? Take the next day off of work and enjoy the show, that is after all what it is suppose to be about. It's a little bit of an escape from whatever else you have going on in your life, so enjoy it.

well its almost turned into like internet message forum trolls whose sole purpose in life is to get a rise and piss off people for attention.

U have these scumbag pathetic losers who go with the sole intention of trying to piss Axl off thus giving themselves satisfaction and a memory to brag about forever to other losers.

"I pissed off Axl Rose and caused him to walk offstage"

I guess I'm the exception. When I go to concerts by car with friends, we make sure we check the opening times of the car park in advance.

We know when we can get the car out. We don't park in a car park that closes at say midnight.

Just in case.

Even if it means we have to walk a little bit longer to get to the venue.

All this because I don't want to be thinking about parking while watching the show.


If I manage to do that, I'm surprised why nobody else can.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Exactly Jarmo, even if the show started exactly on time, midnight would be cutting it really close!

Anybody who says "you can't relate" is full of shit.

I've gone to see GN'R in all kinds of places. Had no hotels.

Last June, I went to Oslo. Spent the night at the bus/train station waiting for my early morning bus back home.

I've gone to Stockholm to see the band. Made sure parking was taken care of. Arrived back home at 7am the next morning. Went to work at lunch time.

Yeah, I took half day off. A friend of mine didn't, he went straight to work. I have never heard him complain about it.


In the big picture, it's a small price to pay.

Some never get to see GN'R play live..... Because GN'R doesn't play on their continent, in their country or city....






/jarmo

I have never been to a single concert that has ever started exactly on time. And if you go to a GNR show expecting it to start on time then who's fault is it when you're disappointed when it doesn't? Expectations are simply unrealized resentments.

As for those degenerates who were throwing bottles, I'm sure if I went to the McDonalds drivethru where they work and threw shit at them they would probably get pissed and leave too.

If you're not happy at the concert, shut the fuck up and leave allowing those that are the opportunity to enjoy it. If you want to go see a tame, candyass show where everything is going to go the way you want it or expect it to, go see fucking Nickleback or Billy Joel for Christ's sake. So frustrating!

If I was working behind my computer and someone throw a piss bottle at me, I certainly wouldn't give a second chance.

I can't believe people are really trying to blame Axl as if "he deserved it" or "if it wasn't by the late start..". Fuck off, there's no excuse to this kind of behavior. If not in respect for the band and the other thousands of people, AT VERY LEAST to try to make the money you spent well worth.

I am one of those who have never gotten GNR anywhere near where i live and if they ever do come close.. i could care less about start time.

will they ever come here though is the question.........Thats the only reason i am ever "negative" or play the otherside cause if this Euro tour goes well, maybe US is next... if the Euro tour doesn't go well........... maybe not.

so yeah, i have a vested interest on how this plays out cause i would like to see them. I have the means now to even travel a lot further than i did in the past. 2006 being a poor college student, i had no funds to travel.. 2010 i can go places on the East Coast. so i want success so we can get a tour here.

I can totally understand Axl's frustration but it was a sad situation all around. I don't think the thousands of fans in the audience were happy with this performance and I don't think the other members of the band were happy either to have Axl just standing there.

To make an analogy, if people start trolling this forum jarmo is not going to come out and say "you can all stop that right now or I'm going home." Nope, he hits the delete button and gets rid of the problem, the delete key on his keyboard is probably wore out already.

It's fucking stupid to give the idiots the attention they're clamoring for. If Axl actually left when he wanted to the people who threw the bottle would laugh their way out of the arena while thousands would be just standing there in disappointment. How can that be the optimal situation?

I'm not saying the events of the show were Axl's responsibility but I do believe the situation could have been addressed differently for the better enjoyment of the fans and the band.

And to all the people on this forum who don't see the big deal... when you've been waiting for GN'R for years and Axl stops the show on the first song threatening to go home, it's shit. You feel powerless as the night you've been hyping up for a long time is just about to fly out of your hands just as you're about to grab it.

Ok so then tell me where you work and I'll come throw bottles at you. I mean hey it's not an optimal situation for you but if you leave you're just giving in to what I want right?

Me personally, I don't mind waiting for a few hours when it's GNR, and I know most of you don't either.

But in order to avoid all the negativity and accusations of coming on too late, wouldn't it be a better strategy to state the realistic time schedule on the tickets and promotion of the show? I don't know for sure, but from my own experiences and what I've read my impression is that 10.30 pm is close to the average time that Axl's inner clock says that it is time to hit the stage. Then you could have something like

"Doors opening 7.30 pm" (or whenever the arena sees fit)
"ETA opening act: 9 pm"
"ETA main act: 10.30 pm"

and if he comes on at 11, no problem, no hostility (hopefully). just make sure to have the agreement in place with the authorities and/or venue as to avoid curfew issues etc. and play at the places where these terms are accepted.

because as long as GNR gigs are open to the general public, there will always be people that get angry when the band doesn't show up at the time they expect them to. Even if Axl has a reputation for being "late", I still don't think the general public always have that in mind when they buy their tickets.

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in other words, not go on stage earlier in order to please the public, but to be more specific in a "here's the deal, take it or leave it" way so that nobody have the right to complain and those who have a problem with that can stay at home.


Having said that, we don't know if that was the reason why the individuals in Dublin threw bottles. Maybe they were just out ta get GNR, or simply plain stupid? I would've hoped other security and/or other crowd members hunted them down and kicked the shit out of them, though. A bottle can be lethal if it hits you in the temple.

Yeah, he doesn't look pleased.

And how did they do this?

Guns N' Roses Promoter Apologises For Dublin Gig

MCD release statement to Gigwise...

They also confirmed that Rose was restrained from leaving the venue when he initially left the stage.

?The artist was prevented from leaving the venue by the promoter and following backstage discussions Guns N' Roses went back on stage at 23.20 hrs and performed their full set until 00.53 hrs,? the statement said.

And from the BBC:

A joint statement issued by promoters MCD and the O2 has apologised to fans for the late running but added: "No artist should be subjected to missiles and unknown substances being thrown at them."

Well, if u went to his work and did that u would be arrested. its a security issue as well. someone has to pay attention to the crowd and remove people doing this. fans need to be proactive and alert security to bad behavior.

or like many venues in the US, no bottles are permitted.. ur beer,water,soda whatever is poured into plastic cups.

Is it not the same thing throwing bottles at a show then? The band is there to play a show (aka do their job) not be pelted with bottles. As for removing people from the crowd who is throwing bottles, that is nearly impossible unless the security guards actually see someone throw shit with their own eyes.

That's exactly what happened here in Sao Paulo. Still, after Axl's warning, the show went on flawlessly and he was in good spirits.

But what happened last night was a totally different situation. And people throwing piss bottles at you can't be compared to Jarmo hitting the ban/delete button to deal with trolls in ANY way.

Are you seriously trying to compare how to handle trolls on an internet message board with things being thrown at a performer while onstage? Axl doesn't have a delete button when his health and well being, as well of that of the band and crew are being threatened by low lifes acting like a bunch of pussies. If your whole night depends on whether or not the band gets on stage and plays a whole show the way you want it then I suggest getting out and meeting some people.

I've seen GNR twice and both without any preconceived notions of how the night would go. I went in with the attitude that if they showed up, great. If they didn't, so what. I'm still going to have a good night regardless. They showed up both times and put on a great show, with '06 far overshadowing '02 but that's just my opinion.

For those people who hinge their whole existence on whether or not someone or something is going to do or happen the way they want it I recommend just ending it now because life is going to be one big disappointment.  : ok:

It is and the person caught would be ejected. thats why u should turn on the house lights. tell the crowd if they see anyone throwing bottles to alert security immediately because if they throw something else and are not caught, they will leave.

that is better than just walking off cause people who paid a shitload of money then will not tolerate someone throwing bottles etc and they will then see whoever it is aroundthem doing it, can then alert security.

very hard to conceal throwing a bottle without someone seeing u do it. especially launching one.

This "coming on late" thing still continues to boggle my mind. Every single show people write and talk about it like it's the first time. He's literally been doing it since the band started in the mid-80's. Why is it such a surprise each and every time - especially after so many years of it continuing?

I believe he's even said before that if you have a problem with the way he does things...simply don't go. It's that simple. You know they go on late, you know the situation well. Don't go! Don't ignore 25 years of consistent history and think that the one show you purchased a ticket for is going to be the one where he changes his routine. He's come out and said in several interviews over the years that he goes on late for several reasons. If you STILL don't like those reasons? Don't go!

Then people, despite ignoring history and logic, use their "lateness" as some sort of an excuse to act like primitive barbarians and ruin things for everybody else. Even if you've inaccurately convinced yourself that Axl Rose is arriving late on purpose to specifically inconvenience you, personally or you've purposely ignored 25 years of consistent history where he's done this every show - two wrongs don't make a right. Act like an adult and either enjoy the show they put on or kindly leave. Sounds pretty simple to me.

I don't think I'll ever understand certain people sometimes...

Right was at the show last night and when guns were on stage they had from I can see the crowd who stayed in the palm of their hands.
Enjoyed talking to DJ after the show with a few others who hung around. He is such a nice guy and no ego.

Interesting pieces of info
- Axl wanted DJ in GNR since 2002 but DJ was busy and didn't work out.
-Him getting into GNR was a "if he turns up it's his" thing
- Phil Lynotts mothers gave the band a small version of the Phil Lynott statue in dublin.  

Right the whole shit about gnr being an hour and a half late isn't true. Danko Jones finished at 9.15 irish time and according to MCD, Guns were meant to be onstage at 9.45, so really it wasn't as bad as people made out. Also the O2 arena have a lot to  answer for. Why were bottle been sold in the building in the first place ?

yeah dude but that is as bad an analogy as his delete button
when u pay hundreds of dollars and have a ticket, u shouldn't have to worry about the performance. so that last paragraph there i completely disagree with. when i buy a ticket and travel,pay hotel etc.. i expect a kick ass show and should be able to have preconceived notions that i am in for the night of my life. thats an entertainers job to make sure that happens.

Aerosmith fucked me over twice.. as much as i love them, i will never pay or travel to see them ever again. won't do it.

Yep, I was there in SP. Thinking about that show makes me laugh at the idiots complaining that the show starting at 10:20 was late.  :hihi:

To the people missing my point: I don't think the problem is that Axl decided to leave after evaluating that the situation could not be resolved. When the first bottle was thrown at him, what does he say? "we're going home". What else could he say? He could say "Who was the little fucker over here? We're not restarting the show until we've kicked your ass out of here". Axl addresses the crowd as a hole and not the idiots who throw things, which are 1-5 out of 15.000. That's 0.03%.

He's attitude should be directed at the clowns and not the entire crowd like it was.

Notice the difference?

It doesn't change the fact that it's appalling that people would throw a bottle of piss at another human being.

Interesting (and good for some change of topic here, haha). I wonder if he would have Fortus spot...

I live on the East Coast and that's my feeling as well. All this BS scares off some of the public and most of the promoters and lessens the chance that I'm going to get to see them near me.

thank's for the pics !!!

Did you talk to DJ about what happened in Dublin?

Ali

Look, I get where you're coming from but in the big scheme of life, getting upset over something you have no control over and letting it ruin your day or night isn't worth it. It's up to you, not any entertainer to make sure you have the time of your life. That's all I'm saying.

The formula of life in my opinion is 10% + 90% = 100% life. The ten percent is what happens to you, and the ninety percent is how you react to it.

Getting angry about Guns or anyone else either not showing up or starting late is just one example of how so many people allow outside circumstances to control their lives. I personally don't like to give anyone that kind of control over me anymore. So Axl doesn't show up? Maybe I'll go back to the hotel with my wife and have the best night of sex in my life? Maybe I'll go home and write a song about it and get a hit. I'm certainly not going to throw anything at someone or go cry in my Diet Coke. Life is what YOU make it.

I did about ten people talked to him for about half an hour forty minutes.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.  What did he say about what happened last night?  What was his take?


Ali

He thought that glass bottles were been thrown and the band didn't want people getting hurt. The thing about taking a while to go on is that GNR's stage setup and pyro takes alot to setup and axl won't go on until he gets an okay on every part of the set up, from everyone. He made a point of saying every part has to be right. And he also said that as long as he has been playing gigs and all that, that he was flipped off by fans, he said he finds it strange. He also said there was a big argument between the promoters(MCD) and axl at some point after they left.

Thanks for that.

So, was DJ saying that in this case the delay was in getting the pyro and stage setup?  Any mention of anything else with regards to the Dublin gig?  Did you get the sense the band backed Axl's call to go off stage with the bottle throwing?

Ali

Limp Bizkit and some other bands used to play in a cage, so nothing thrown could reach the stage. not a bad idea actually, considering how many idiots want to ruin the experience for the rest. you guys should have punched those iditots' dumb faces! they deserved it.

My take on it was that Axl doesn't want ANBODY(fans or band) getting hurt by something in the pro going wrong and unfortunately that takes time. He said he going off stage kind of threw him and HE said they WE don't want anybody hurt, and when they were sure no glass bottles were being thrown they came back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QoQXbpeNys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QoQXbpeNys)

LALD is finished and Tommy speaks a few words (3.25)...not hard to imagine what he is saying but is there a better source available or someone to write these words here ?

Won't quote it word for word but he's saying that they had a great time the last time GN'R played in Dublin (2006) and that he wants the crowd and the band to have a great time again.

I believe Axl and the whole band should do a clear the air type interview with someone in the media with a lot of clout, MTV or something. Discuss the reality of the start times, all the issues of late, the media onslaught and apologise for anything that they could have done better and explain the truth about things they cant have helped to make people understand. Just have a frank discussion and put it out there. Whether its anyones fault or not, things are really getting out of hand and I think doing something like this would go some way in reducing the tension.
There is real danger of these bad vibes surrounding them escalating further and someone could get hurt, if I was in this band I would really want to try bring the situation back down to earth.

one more thing DJ seemed to have a lapse of memory(it was 2am) about how many days off he had till the next gig. And reading and leeds the band before then ran late and the pyro, stage and checking takes time according to DJ.

the only trouble is that interviews get twisted, statements get twisted, and everything gets twisted
people read the between the lines and look for things that never got said etc etc -they put 2 n 2 together and before you know it the situations worse than before and everyone gets more pissed off than ever -

They couldnt possibly twist it anymore than they do by taking advantage of GNRs silence or the faceless methods they use to communicate. I think it would be good, particuarly if it was filmed and uploaded on MTVs or Rolling Stones website or someone like that.

I think we've had enough of this "why can't they be on time like everybody else" discussion.

Nobody is always on time. Not even you.

GN'R is GN'R. Always has been.

You don't like it? That's too bad.


The facts remain, shit always gets exaggerated, blown out of proportion, twisted and made up regarding GN'R.

Everybody always have the answers to everything. Yet most of them really have no clue.

It's all a bunch of speculation... "If they did this, then that would happen". Really? Just because you say so?


It doesn't work like that. The band went on before their time at Download 2006 and were greeted by a few morons throwing shit. So much for going "on time" solving all "problems"....



/jarmo

Just got home from Dublin and still pissed off (no, make that fuming!), with the idiots who bottled the band offstage.  No doubt alcohol played a major part but security really needed to up their game and get the troublemakers out before the band had to leave and not afterwards, which is what they appeared to be doing.  All credit to the band for giving it another shot, when they would have been perfectly justified in leaving.  And I totally understand Axl not wishing to get anywhere near the front of the stage; I?d be devastated if he was injured by the actions of one of these so-called fans.  Sadly though, because I was at the rail on the side, it meant that the monitors completely obscured any view of him and the only way I could watch him was on the screen.  Not what I go to a gig for and I can?t deny that I?m gutted about it ? especially coming so soon after the Reading debacle ? although it did mean that I got to reacquaint myself with how gorgeous his hands are during the close-ups for November Rain.   ;)

Huge thanks though to the rest of the band, especially Ron and DJ, for covering the stage so well and putting their heart and soul into the performance.  :-*

The thing that depresses me about this is that I know it won?t be the last time it happens.  I support the band 100% in their actions of giving one warning and then walking, and just wish that the management of the venues would back them more strongly in this; perhaps with an announcement before they take the stage and certainly with stricter security in place.  There?s no reason why they should have to put up with dodging missiles of any variety ? hell, Lemmy doesn?t, he gives one warning and that?s final, yet for some reason he doesn?t get crucified in the Press for it.  But hey, it?s Axl and so he must be acting like a diva, right.  No, wrong actually, he doesn?t have to put up with it either, but try getting that through the thick skulls of some of the people standing around me last night.

The only positive I can take from this is that every time something like this happens, my belief in and support for this band grows ever stronger - which I find amazing because after following them for over 20 years I didn?t think it possible for the emotional bond to get any deeper.  With all the negative shit in the media, it really feels like them and us against the world at the moment , but being able to express my support along with others on this board really helps me feel like part of an invincible GN?R family of fans.  Thanks, Jarmo and all you guys and here?s hoping that Paris (my next trip) will be as good, if not better, than the incredible show the band put on in 2006.

The media (and htgth) should report the bands reaction to heckling tho, imo. Thats a cool vibe. :peace:


But it's fun! Kinda...sort of... It's like the 90's again. At least they are getting mainstream press, right? :hihi:

So you get an Axl picture and a vibe...'something' is going on...

See that attitude is all wrong, its reckless, naive and irresponsible. Respect is a two way street,and small gestures can go a long way, for good or bad

Respect is a two way street.  But, what's naive is thinking that something that has been the status quo for over 20 years will just change, and moreso, change as a result of anything we say or do.

Ali

if you dont want to go to a show then dont go mate - simple as that - ive been going to see GnR for 19yrs now and im not gonna stop going cos theyre a little late on stage - sorry lads im going home now its passed my bed time and i can hear my mum calling me  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Either way when some jerk throws bottles he deserves to been kicked in the nuts... I completely understand that they walked off.

I'm more disturbed by the bad press lately, as fan's who watches them closely we all know 90% of it are lies and sources quoting others sources that on there term heard it from someone else and so on and on.
I believe the fans should be able to do something to stop that but that would be a though call I guess. Though I doesn't only hurt the band & co but also the fans or shall I say the die hards.

Today I read an article that claimed that only the band returned on stage last night to perform a few more songs without Axl.  But none of these shitty reporters point out there source, all of em say "According to reports" and so on.

Made me think of something we did as kids in school long time ago...
The teacher whispers something in one students ear and has to pass it on to the person next to him/her and so on,  the last one has to say it loudly.  The result will 99% for sure be something else than what has been originally said.

Cheers

IMHO the problem regarding trolls throwing shit on shows and events could be fixed if actually all the Security guys do their fucking job. Period.
Still, I can't imagine how come all these security staff stood up and did nothing when there was some asshole throwing some bottle of piss to the stage? did someone in Dublin watch if any of those assholes were kicked out of the gig?

And btw, stop being pussies regarding GNR being late.

I agree, but out of interest what would you have suggested security do? Surely theres 40-50 security facing 5,000 people. Could they realistically pick the 3/4 twats out?

Mabye it is naive, I admit that, doesnt mean I cant wish for better things.   :(

if theyre throwing shit from the middle of the floor, say maybe 30-40 rows back security have no chance to be fair
the best idea is to stop bottles getting to the floor in the first place - but they cant stop that either  :no:

It's really sad to see all this bad press, just because of couple of pricks who wanted to steal the show, while it seems like the other half of the gig was just great GNR action. Of course Axl wasn't in his best mood, but still. Maybe it wasn't Axl's best day (that's how it seems to be), this happens, but all in all it's sad how things turned out, this band just don't deserve this. Hopefully Axl will give us some kind of message concerning this incident.

respect for me is buying them a beer rather that throwing a beer...

Hopefully a couple days to cool off, get things in order for the Italy shows, and things will take a more positive tone. 

Personally, I LOVE the late starts...makes a special night last longer, & lets the anticipation build.  It will never cease to amaze me that people are surprised/pissed about the late starts after all these years.  I don't think the start time can even be labeled "late" anymore...more like "normal." 

Guns N' Roses! I love you! Keep up the good fight! :beer:

After the band had left the stage security finally woke up and decided to act.  Bottles and cups were being thrown at the person on stage (manager/promoter?) who came on and announced that they were trying to resolve the issue, and then I saw about 3 or 4 people dragged over the barrier and manhandled out.  Even that was poorly handled in my view because they should have immediately put the house lights on before addressing the crowd but they didn't even do this until much later, thus allowing the perpetrators the cover of darkness.

Also, I'm not suggesting it's always easy to identify the culprit but it's funny how some security have no trouble swooping on someone taking a photo but faced with the task of taking out a troublemaker and they do bugger all about it.

Promoters have to do a better job informing the crowd that curfews have been lifted etc..

 i think all the bullshit reporting from the Reading festival led to a lot of last night's problems. People feared the curfew was gonna be invoked and power shut off, so they thought they basically spent 100 bucks on a 30 minute show. if the promoter had came out before the show and annoucned the curfew was lifted etc. i think it wouldn't have been as bad.

Axl's vocals are fucking shit hot on Jungle. : ok:

Basically I end up speechless when shit like this happens. I grew up with Hippie parents that taught me respect!! I can't even understand why anyone would want to throw their own piss at someone!!! Not too mention the others that get it all over them. Where I come from I would consider that assault! and yet Axl is always too blame.

Time for me to stay away from live radio for a few days. I get sick and tired of them bitching about what they know nothing about!!

Can we confirm it was piss or is that just something people started?

Several people from here have said they saw people with piss bottles.

This wouldn't achieve anything (imo) - the media (in the main) has a clear anti-Axl agenda and it would just be twisted to fit the narrative they want. Take for example today's Irish Herald (I saved the article and review if anyone is interested) - it is basically a hatchet job (photo of Axl with caption Diva Rose etc) talking about the bottle incident making it out like not such a big deal and the band should have stayed on stage and then hilariously it references a page further back in the newspaper where there is a completely outrageous piece personally insulting Axl and the band written by someone else (did he even attend the gig?).  Axl refuses to play ball with the media and I love him for that.

GREG
(was going to post a review but there are a couple of excellent ones here already! Hope everyone enjoyed the updates - to be honest it was nice to move a little further back after the band left the stage where I could fire off texts more easily if they came back - at least I knew I wouldn't get caught in any riot!)

shit, a band takes a lil over an hour to take the stage and people are bitching?

im the biggest GNR fan ever (i know, i know, you guys think the same :P lol) and i only got to see them twice. once back in Brazil and the last time in sturgis and i think i waited WAAYY longer than that and i i must say... not surprised!

hopefully they'll come to the US after this european leg and i'll get only wait for a lil over an hour, that'd be a blessing


going to a GNR concert and complaining about waiting for 1 hour is like going to a lady gaga concert and complaining about gayness

OK back in Birmingham UK now, and feel so good after seeing Guns rock Dublin.

It was a brilliant show, Axl and the band seem to get better and better. After the band went offstage, due to the bottle(s). I was ready for the show to be over, as Axl stopped Jungle to address this and this was the second time.

If the show was over at that point, I was more than happy in it being so, as no band deserves to get bottles thrown their way causing danger to both band and crew. But GN'R soldiered on and played an amazing set, and to their credit delivered a really classy show.

There are always going to be idiots in the audience, and there is always going to be media talking out their arses.

What I do know is GN'R rocked, and never backed down.

Thank You to GN'R for yet another amazing show.


 :beer:

Axl is #4 on trending now on Yahoo. This is definitely getting people's attention. Maybe not a bad thing, except the articles it links to are pretty much negative, in particular the one from Associated Press is titled "Axl Rose tries Dublin's patience, sends crowd home"

Seriously? Talk about negative spin! Someone should ask this so called writer what they would do if someone threw piss filled bottles at them.

Dude, you won't have enough space in your signature for that many shows, haha. :hihi:

I'm glad you had a good time there. Seems like some can't understand how classy the band acted after all the shit.

Well. to give you an example of media bias, the radio today mentioned incident in Dublin, and got every detail right except they forgot to mention that GnR got back on stage a little while later.  They ended the story with Axl waking off stage.

Haha, I know had to get rid of a few spacebars to get them all into the signature. But in all honesty, it's a pleasure to see Guns N' Roses live and I never get tired of traveling to see them. It just gets better and better, whether it's a different country, city, continent, GN'R always rock and I can't get enough.  ;D

A guy passed me saying he pissed in a few bottles, I thought he did it cos he didn't want to leave in case he missed the start but he headed toward the front of stage with them moments later I saw them being hurled. I didn't taste it myself so can't confirm but as far as I know it was

You know I actually think Axl had the majority of the crowd won over until that last bottle flew at the stage...then it all really fell apart but you know what, it was the most memorable Guns n' Roses show I was at! Really crazy! I had a great time, I really mean that. I was blown away by the band and Axl is in great voice. He was pissed off but sang amazingly. Gotta love that voice. The irish media were slating Axl today. I've been defending him on radio all day. I know alot of people were put out by the late start and had no choice but to leave early but they missed a hell of a gig. I'm actually glad to have witnessed such a mad gig and been part of GNR history

Why didn't u alert security?

in a way u are almost as guilty as the guy who threw it if u knew and didn't say anything.

Not everybody with a bottle will throw it at other people.




/jarmo

he said a guy passed him and said he pissed in a few bottles... whats he gonna do drink it? obviously he was gonna throw them.

As I promised earlier, here is the picture of the GN'R jet that Greg spotted as we was heading to Irish immigration after the flight. I was really starstruck at seeing this, it made us even more excited for the concert. I instantly took out my N70 and snapped it the best I could.  :D

I know the pic is not 100% clear but I had to zoom quite abit to get it, I have also made it smaller so it's more vivid. The GN'R jet is the one on the right.

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/GNRJet.jpg)

This logo was on the rear fin of the jet. (but with a clear white background)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/GNRlogo.jpg)

Really amazing to see as you step off the plane, not something you see all the time, really special.  ;D

(Will post this in the tour thread too, incase people miss it)

Umm, what do people do with bottles? Get rid off them without throwing them at somebody maybe?

I'm not saying he didn't throw them because I have no idea.



I returned some bottles to recycling today. Nobody got injured.

No, I didn't piss in them.




/jarmo

Im saying , he said a guy passed him with bottles and said he pissed in them... i said he should've notified security.

people normally dont walk around with bottles full of piss.

People sometimes urinate without malicious intent.

To anyone who is pissed because GnR didn't go on stage at the time the ticket stub said, welcome to GnR. Scratch that, welcome to rock and roll. At least what it used to be. There are so few true rock legends in the world at any given time and so many wanna-be's.
Axl is a rock legend, and proved it by coming back(and I know it's reported that he was "forced" by promoters) and still singing his ass off. Yeah, he didn't move around like he usually does, do you blame him?
What would you have done?
Just coming back out at all shows respect for those fans(99% of them) that were there to have a great time.

I've just found 3 interesting videos

the first one is the end of LALD, where tommy tells the crowd they had a great time in 06' and to "don't make dublin look bad"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJja8aF7JU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJja8aF7JU#)

Jungle with great quality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp8EZDIKdgM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp8EZDIKdgM#)

ChiDem. You can see Axl and the crew guy tryin' to fix the monitor, but it doens't work so Axl got angry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwpPPc5fxTs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwpPPc5fxTs#)

Call me crazy, but this may just have been the best performance the band has given.  We all know what's bad about the show, but that is only one way of looking at it.  What I choose to focus on is how Axl and the band once again refused to do what others told them and stuck to their guns. 

1.  They weren't ready to play until their pyro and stage show was perfect.  Axl needed to also be in the right frame of mine. Sometimes you have to wait a little, but my god, those Irish are a bunch of pussies if an hour makes them cry that much.  The point is -- YOU DON'T TELL AXL ROSE WHAT TO DO!  He does what he wants.  That's why he's a global rock star and you are not.

2.  Nobody -- NOBODY deserves to be hit with bottles. They're musicians, not soldiers.  As a fan, I absoulutely do not want my favorite band to be hurt or possibly killed by people hurling glass bottles at them.  Not to mention the sanitary issues of what may have been in those bottles.  If Axl refuses to let people throw bottles at his band, then I say three motherfucking cheers for him.  I wouldn't let anyone throw bottles at me either.

3.  Even though the crowd did not deserve it, Axl humbled himself, did the professional thing, and eventually came out and finished the show in triumphant fashion.  Again -- THIS IS MORE THAN THOSE FANS DESERVED!  Axl would have been totally justified to take his band to a more grateful country if those drunken Irishmen can't keep it together.

To me, this show represents everything that I as a fan treasure about my favorite band.  They do their own thing and they don't take shit off anybody.  Got a problem with it?  Kindly fuck off and go listen to Justin Beiber.

Checking my mail just now and saw "Axl Rose" was trending #1 on yahoo. Of course, I knew why he was, so I was reluctant to click on it, but I did. One of the links was to a video of the incident (at www.ontheredcarpet.com). There was a poll attached asking if Axl should have walked off. Surprisingly (to me), 80% of the votes said he did the right thing. And most of the comments were overwhelmingly against the fuckheads who were throwing the bottles.
I thought Axl's voice sounded kickass in the video, and he handled the matter with class. I hope the fans who stuck around and didn't fuck it up got a good show.
Hey, at least there wasn't a riot. maybe the Dubliners were too tired because of the "late" start (yawn...) :crying:

Not to point out the obvious, but if you throw a glass bottle at someone's head, and they say if you do it again they'll leave, and then you throw a glass bottle of urine at their head, and then they do leave, it may not be fair to blame it on them. cause at that point the only thing they did to you was duck. sure changeover's take time, and i'm sure axl would apologize for their audio and pyro equipment not being magical and instantaneous if they knew you were dumb enough to believe it'd take anything less then 45 mins etc. but that stuff always takes longer than you expect. the time estimate they give you is if nothing goes wrong. you work with an audio system that big several things are gonna need to be replace/tweaked.

And i don't care what you do, but for me, no matter where i am or what i'm doing. be it that i'm at work or enjoying a sandwich of some sort, if someone throws a glass bottle filled to the brim with their angry and smelly urine, i'm going to leave. that's just common sense, and i'm sure any of you would do the same.

If someone came in and threw bottles at me when I was working, you can be damn sure there'd be consequences. No one in their right mind would just stand there and take it, are you kidding me?

I don't get the few douchebags who come to shows just to start shit, what a sad life to lead.

In Helsinki a couple of guys were booing behind us at the start of the show and my husband (not a GN'R fan) gave them a few choice words, even he got annoyed at the stupidity  :hihi:

Most likely the band will be late, if you can't deal with that like an adult, don't go.

Anyone going to a GNR concert should know by now that, chances are, you'll going to have to wait awhile before the show starts. They've only been doing this for 20+ years. I mean, didn't Axl once say that he's going to write it in his will to have his coffin show up late for his own funeral?

Some people are just incapable of being on time. It isn't that they're rude or disrespectful; they just can't help it. I'm certainly one of those people. I think I set a record in high school for tardies. It got so bad that the principal even threatened to send me to the school for troubled students, which would've been a first.  So I've always been able to relate to Axl in that regard. If I tell you I'll meet you somewhere at 3:00, don't even start looking for me until at least 3:15. No matter how hard I try to be on time, it just seems like I'm always late.

Anyways, back on topic . . . I think Axl showed great maturity to go back out and finish the show. There are always true fans at the shows who just want to see one of the greatest bands of all time put on an amazing show, and it sucks when a few dickheads can ruin it for everyone. It's good that the real fans still got to see it, but nobody could've blamed Axl if he had called it a night, especially considering that they still kept throwing stuff even after the warnings.

Negative anti GN'R media agenda, I'm wondering if this possibly could have something to do with the promoter company's and the Azof lawsuit?
I bet there is some influence coming from that corner. I smelled something fishy at the start of the first leg of the tour, the LA airport incident, the Slash t-shirt thing and so on.
I think its all part of one big smelly fish ! And I wish I'm wrong !

Thank's !!!

Reading some reports; God how annoying some 'journalists' can be... ::)

"the crowd were boing and throwing bottles"

-but when you look at the videos you see people humming to LALD, shouting 'Axl!', dancing, singing and cheering. So some guys who cause trouble and fuck up the show for everyone else = 'the crowd' in the head of some (probably semi-sosiopathic) journalists. How lame...

At least there is cool Axl pics in the press tho, fuck them! ;D

Axl sounds better and better, is kinda like adusting himself so smoothly to his potential as a soontobe 50 YO.




LOL@ 1.56 and onward...Doh! :P

He clearly stated that he figured the guy pissed in the bottles because he didn't want to go to the restroom and chance missing part of the show.  Plenty of people have done this and will continue to do it.  Pissing in bottles doesn't ALWAYS lead to hurling them at the band.

Better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bSOJGSGCNs

This I Love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KKuQdzuGMY

Street of Dreams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_5xRhcUJ-8

i swear sometimes i think people just disagree with me for the hell of it.

1. who the fuck has 3 bottles?
2. great thing with GNR being late is u have plenty of time to go to restroom
3. who carries the piss around anyway? wouldn't theythrow it away or leave it somewhere on the floor? and it is anatomically impossible to feel 3 bottles full of piss on one emptying of the bladder
4. Plenty of people have done this? REALLY? its that common that people whip their dicks out in front of 14 k people and piss into bottles? u gotta be shitting me.

It's not that uncommon at big shows such as festivals etc. where people go stand in the front hours before the first band has even started....

Some people piss in bottles at concerts, some piss on street corners...




/jarmo

In the 1960's they threw joints on stage, in the 21st century they throw piss. My, how low people have sunk!

You missed the underwear....





/jarmo

For the record, i wasn't trying to be a smart ass, i geniunely have never heard of anyone doing that. WOW. i could understand at a festival but not an arena type show.

I'm not saying the majority does it, it happens.

I mean shit that makes no sense to you or me happens daily.

Even at rock concerts.

Like, why would you pay for a ticket only to get so wasted you pass out during the show...

It happens, but it makes no sense to me.





/jarmo

I for one think all of this is just awesome.  Rock n Roll needs shit like this and who better to give it than Axl.  What tops it off for me is a standing in one spot pissed off Axl Rose sings like a motherfu#*er.  Reading about Reading/Leeds and the O2 show makes me feel like Axl is really starting to get his tour legs now.  I hope he burns the continent to the ground by month's end.

When I go to McDonalds or Taco Bell, I would expect to see certain menu items.  If I go to a Gn'R concert I would expect the show is not going to go on when printed on my ticket.  It's no secret that Gn'R typically starts late.  If I see items thrown on stage at a Gn'R show, chances are likely the band is going to walk.  Again, knowledge and history.

People in Dublin sound funny when they are pissed.  I love the video footage listening to a bunch of angry Irish people.  Seriously, it made my day.  
I've been to hundreds of shows, and I don't attend them like a supervisor at work, looking at my watch and tapping my foot.  It was a 60-90 min wait, I can stand on my head for that long.

All that said, I'm glad the Irish make good beer, I do love your beers.

1. a) Someone who drinks 3 beers or more. b) There are probably dozens of empty bottles on the ground in their vicininity, so they could easily have picked up and pissed into as many of them as they wanted to.
2. True, but along the same lines you never know when they're going to go on.  Last time they played MSG they hit the stage pretty much on time, which shocked me.  
3. To throw away a piss bottle you would NEED to carry it around.  To my knowledge people don't come around and ask if you have any trash/piss bottles to throw away like they do on a plane.
4. Yes, plenty of people have done this.  I honestly can't say I've seen it happen but I've seen plenty of people pissing in places they shouldn't at concerts, so a bottle certainly wouldn't surprise me.  

How the fuck was I to know he was going to throw them?? Did you want me to grab him by the ear and say 'follow me young man', cop yourself on will ya?

It's just a total lack of respect, for the band, and the other people who came to enjoy the show,
It just surprised me that Axl+ band came back on,
I sincerely doubt if any other band would have done the same, i know i wouldn't,
Specially if it was clear to me ,or others , that pointed out it was urine,  :no:

Underwear , fine, almost tradition,
Stuffed bears and or Homer Simpsons, sure, why not,
But why the hell would anyone throw coins or bottles that can hurt the ones you paid for to see?
Whatever way you look at it, it makes absolutely no sense at all,

Anyone who does that shit is a total egotistical, ignorant douchebag.

I bet if those guys (honestly don't think women would do this  ;D ) were confronted one on one with any band member, let allone Axl,
they would turn red, their eyes would water up ,shit their pants and beg for forgiveness, only to be wizzed over  :rofl:

4. Plenty of people have done this? REALLY? its that common that people whip their dicks out in front of 14 k people and piss into bottles? u gotta be shitting me.

Actually I did this years ago, ACTUALLY IT WAS A PLASTIC CUP, at Madison Square Garden during an Aerosmith show..I had snuck into floor seating and figured if I went to the BR I would miss part of the show N' wouldn't be allowed back onto the floor..

There is a stupid discussion...Simply you can love or hate Axl and Guns n Roses,but you have to have some filling about them...

I love them

Everyone on this board loves GNR.  This was just one unfortunate gig.
The crowd, the band, the promoters and the venue all played a part in what happened.

Axl Rose is trending pretty high on the various search engines like MSN.com
I voiced my thoughts beneath one of the GNR articles...perhaps we could get some more GNR supporters' voices out there? 
It's a freaking shame people slag off on Axl and the band without knowing anything beyond false bullshit put out there by people who simply hate Axl. 
Axl could discover the cure for cancer, yet he'd still be shit on in the press:

"58 Year Old Former Guns N' Roses Frontman Reportedly Steals Cure for Cancer from True GNR Axe Man Slash." ...bastards.

Dizzy Reed, why do you have left your last show in Dublin?
Dizzy Reed: Canceled is the wrong word. It was a longer break, but we finished the gig.

What happened?
A few idiots threw bottles. There is no reason to put up with that. Because this shit is dangerous.

They speak from experience?

Our previous bassist Duff in 1993, was hit by a bottle on his head and had to therefore be taken to the hospital in an ambulance. One of the bottles missed me by inches.We have warned the fans that we will have to cancel the show if they keep throwing bottles. But they would not listen.

So you stopped the show.

Yes, we moved to the backstage area until the mood had calmed. It was a very unpleasant feeling.

It was not the first incident of the tour.

That was how Guns N 'Roses has always been. 99.9 percent of the fans are great, but there are always some drunken idiots who want to ruin everything. Sometimes they throw something, sometimes they instigate a brawl.

How do you explain that?

It has left a great, man I mean, I myself would never spent money to force a band from the stage.Anyone who is dissatisfied should fuck off. But to throw bottles, that's fucking barbaric!

Your front man Axl Rose is also difficult. You have been in the band for 20 years. How do you keep it with him?

For me there was never a reason to get out. A band is like a marriage when one would be married with a bunch of buddies: As it is said sometimes bite through, and put his ego aside. For I have great respect for Axl's talent.

Within the band there was always trouble. They have however always kept out. Are you such a balanced person?
Balanced? (Laughs) If you knew! Not in the slightest. But hey, I see it this way: I'm here, play piano and try as much as possible to contribute to the music. This is my job, and I always have fun. Of course, it happened that my feelings are hurt, but that's normal.

Do you have any contact with former members Slash, Duff and Izzy?
No. We are not talking to each other.

But they played on your solo albums?
Yes, but that was before they got out definitely. After that they have not called me, and I do not. And it is today.

After an incredible 15 years passed until the next Guns N 'Roses album "Chinese Democracy." Why so long?
There is no simple answer. Somehow, the album was just never finished. There were whole years when we were in the studio every night. But we were still not satisfied.When we had it then well done at last, we published it. No matter what others say, I'm happy with it. My life is devoted to this day Guns n 'Roses.

That is, after the tour there is another new album?
We have spoken about it, but we would rather take up something during the tour. But I am very careful.I knock on wood, it works out.

My life was once notorious for excessive Tour.And today?
Anything else than that before I played in the poker room - with my stuffed animals. (Laughs)

What has changed?
At that time, I am totally immersed in this lifestyle, I was convinced that decadence just one of them. A fallacy!When I became a father, I had some tired of this excessive life. Today I have four grown children: makes me happy.

No nostalgia?
Oh well. In the past there was this rock legend still. But the lost. If one now draws Kokslinien by the tits a groupie, it is now on Twitter. The destroyed but any appeal. And then there is still another, even worse side: This whole "Buhu, I sit alone in my hotel room and I feel so lonely that I wanted to throw myself out the window"-blather on the Internet. Terrible! Write a better song about it. Then you have what it even years later.

So no more coke and hookers not for you?
Oh, that's totally overrated anyway. (Laughs) A desperate attempt to fight their own Downs. I feel bad - brings coke and whores!

"Hookers n 'Blow', it was said once, your cover band.
Yes, I found the name so ridiculous that I wanted to have him as a logo. It has also done a lot of fun. Meanwhile, we have buried the project. But you can still buy T-shirts from us!

They play next week in Zurich. Do you remember your first gig at Swiss?
Uff. Blurred. But, now that they say it occurs to me: I wanted as a child in Switzerland, in the mountains. And when we were on our endless "Use Your Illusion" tour, we finally arrived in Switzerland, Basel. But there were no mountains! It was also my wife at the time pregnant with our first child. Since I am ausgetickt for the first time in my life completely. I have completely lost his mind. I could not eat, not sleep. So they put me on a plane and sent home.

Do we really think its the change over though? I mean Axl says he likes playing late. That is fine. i don't think we have to make up an excuse by saying it takes the stage crew 2 hours to hook up some equipment. he likes going on late, its the way he said he has always been.Thats a good enough answer to me.

I still wonder if something else was bothering axl though.. i mean he has had shit thrown at him before and rebounded fine. Maybe the inner ear problem during CD? the booing before the show started, just a bad day?

Ive read reviews where a lot of Dublin fans say he seemed kind of aggravated before the bottles were even thrown.

Jesus.

Nobody said the change over was two hours!

You're acting just like all the morons in the media who exaggerate and simplify everything.

Why can't people stick to the facts?

The opening act didn't go on at 7PM. They went on at 8PM and got off the stage around 9:10PM. 45 minutes for set change. GN'R on at around 10:20PM. You do the math.... Two hours...

People whining about the "wait" seem to include all the time since doors opened disregarding the opening act and the fact that there has to be some work done before GN'R can go on stage.

You don't want to "wait" (watch the opening act)? Sit in a pub, arrive at the venue a little bit later. Problem solved.


Why don't we just start including the time of the ticket purchase to the show start to the "wait" as well?   :P ::)




/jarmo

cool interview by Dizzy, what's your source though?

the promoters should just take into account that they will be late on stage so just put the start time forward by an hour :) then they will be on time

yeah, cool inteview.. I guess the original source was in Deutsch, as it was rather difficultto me to understand some periods wich appear to have some words missing.

FORMER frontman? jesus, GNR have always had the SAME frontman, for 25 years already! "FORMER FRONTMAN" they say :hihi:

i stole it from another forum  :hihi:
Switzerland`s Blick tabloid is apparently the source.

sorry was talking about in general not this particular show. Axl likes to play late. That is how he has always been. I don't think it is a set change etc. i mean why not have Danko go on at 7? if curfew is 11, why is the opening act starting at 8pm?
I just don't like the apologist. Axl likes playing late, leave it at that. That is ok, if thats what he does, thats what he does but let's don't act like GNR have been late since the late 80's cause of changeover time.

As far as the coming back onstage..who knows? sounds weird the media saying he wasn't "allowed" to leave? WTF, did they chain the doors shut?

The standing in one spot is definitely interesting....... made for some great vocals though.. don't know how happy I'd be if id spent 100 bucks on it though.

Ok. Try to follow my though here, please.

Doors open before 7PM. People rush in.

Now, let's say we know that the headliner isn't gonna be on at 9PM sharp.

Do you:

A: Send out the opening act for 45-60 minutes at 7PM and have an empty stage for two hours.

or

B: The opening act starts a little later so the break in between bands is shorter.


Many who claim they waited so and so long are actually thinking the way you are. That the opening act was done around 8PM. It was not the case.


I don't even know what you're discussing anymore. It seems like you throw in random stuff that has nothing or very little to do with the show in question or reality.

If you have accepted the fact that Axl goes on when he's ready to give 100% and deliver, what else do you need to know? Minute by minute breakdown of his every move on a show day?  :P



/jarmo

Here's the link to the interview. 

http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/musik/koks-und-nutten-sind-total-ueberbewertet-154703

Yeah, the translation is not the best but...

Their front man Axl Rose is also difficult. You are 20 years in the band. How do you keep it with him?

Dizzy Reed: For me there was never a reason to get out. A band is like a marriage when one would be married with a bunch of buddies: As it is said sometimes bite through, and put his ego aside. For I have great respect for Axl talent.

For those, and believe there are plenty of people out there, who feel that no real threat was posed because the bottles being thrown were plastic, please read this account from kennyabis at chinesedemocracy.com:

Here are his words: "Before Guns came on I got hit with a plastic bottle that still had a lot of liquid in it, the corner of the lid caught me right on the crown of my head and it hurt like hell, my vision got blurry and by throat went numb, thankfully it seemed to subside byt the time Guns came onstage. Although after the gig I ended up having a terrible migraine and lost sight in my left eye. Thankfully I managed to sleep through the worst of it on the bus journey home. In conclusion whether they where glass or not they are still feckin dangerous and I can totally understand were Axl was coming from."

So, this "it was only plastic, it can't hurt anybody" line is complete and utter crap.  Look, someone at the Dublin show was hurt as a result of being hit by a plastic bottle.  ::)

Ali

If doors open at 7, and Danko went on right at 7, they'd be playing to an empty arena. People need time to get in, get drinks, sit down.

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if you throw shit at the stage, you're a shit who deserves to be thrown off a stage.

Very true.

Thanks for reminding me.

Sometimes you wait a while so that the opening band has an audience.




/jarmo

I don't understand people trying to find alternate motives as to what went on in Dublin.  :P

The fact is GN'R rocked the hell out of the first 4 songs, then yet another bottle comes flying onstage. Guns N' Roses go backstage until, people have calmed down and the stage is cleared. Sure Axl was not impressed by the situation and he had every right to be, it's as simple as that.

Axl came out all Guns blazing and was amazing to watch, it was a pleasure to be there.

To all the people moaning about the lateness yet again, and to all those who weren't even there. The stage was being set up all the time, up until GN'R came on. I heard people booing, and there was still a sound engineer setting up Franks drums. As soon as the stage was set, they came on almost instantly, so people really do need to open their eyes.  ::)

So people need to basically stop finding reasons and motives purely to slag off the band. I was there and loved every minute of it, and no matter what, there are always going to be haters trying to spoil the fun.  : ok:

When they played the club shows in NYC back in 2006, I went to the 1st and 3rD, I missed my trains by minutes..Usually the trains leave every hour but at a certain time it's a 2 hour wait..Both times I had to wait 2 hours all sweaty in a grimy Penn Station...Was it worth it? Hell Yeah!! But I had a friend w/ me that probably wasn't to pleased about getting home at 5:30AM..
"If you were waiting to get laid you wouldn't be complaining."
                                                                         -Axl Rose (paraphrase, sometime in the 90's).

i waited 5 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!! for him to show up once  ;D and i didn`t feel the need to boo or throw anything young people must like to go to bed real early these days!

This shit is amusing.

It's obviously not like they tear down the stage and build it up again between the opening act and GN'R!



But you still need to do things.

It's a fact.


Some of you pointing out that the crew were working before the opening act is beside the point.


U2 were 30 minutes late in Helsinki due to technical problems.

Imagine that. Things happen for other bands too.

I bet their crew had also worked before the opening acts went on.



/jarmo

Gn'R hasn't played most of these places in 4 years. I think some they haven't played since the 90's if at all.....so seriously, what's another hour or two?

You completley missing my point. I didnt once mention "axl being late"

I know, I'm just making it clear how things work.

Because it's obvious some people don't know. Or don't wanna know.





/jarmo

Yeah but how often are U2 late? lets be real about that. and since ok Danko can't play at 7, how about 7:30, that gives people an hour, he plays till 8:30, u got 45 mins for the set up which is 9:15 when GNR took the stage in 2006.


I think people, just like those on message forums over the years get pissed mainly at the lack of communication. a lot of reviews i've read from fans talk about how after Reading, they were concerned that with the 11pm curfew, the show was gonna end early and they were pissed at that.

so with a little communication from either the promoter,axl or whomever, a good part of the crowd wouldn't have been as hostile if they knew the show wasn't ending early. Now of course if some asshole already plans to throw bottles, they are gonna do so anyway, but the majority of the crowd would've been at ease and able to enjoy it knowing the curfew was gonna have no effect.

Pearl Jam fell victim to the curfew a while back and after "alive" the lights got turned on at 11pm and they were basically forced to stop there. so it isn't like the crowd had any idea that this night would be different.

Iv seen several shows were bands have fallen victim to the curfew, in particualr foo fighters in hyde park, motorhead over ran.

And it dosent make headlines.

I just think its unfortunte that it happens so oftern to gnr the media/fan backlash will always be great.

I think both the Finnish shows last month started after their scheduled time...

As far as I know, people weren't pissed off about it.




 ???

Aren't you the one saying you understand that Axl doesn't go on until he's ready?

But here you are trying to act like some kind of manager.....




/jarmo

i dont personally mind the late starts. lets get that out of the way.

I am posting from the perspective of why others are and trying to shed light on why others get upset.


the biggest responses ive seen from the irish boards are:

1. They thought the show had to end at 11pm. with the Reading shit they read etc and the fact that curfew has always been strictly enforced, they were pissed thinking the show was gonna be cut short:

2. The car parks/Transportation issue

3. the lack of any communication, most are saying they wish Axl would've just apologized for the start and they would've been good with it.

once again, this is the Irish fan, reviews I've read. i happen to agree with these points. I don't care about the starts cause i know about them. i do think we overestimate casual fans knowledge of this however.


So that is my point about if the promoter or whatever would've came out during the changeover and assured the fans that the show would go on until completion and their cars wouldn't be locked up..    the crowd would've been less hostile. sure someone if they planned on being an asshole and throwing stuff, still would've  but the crowd wouldn't have been so hostile on a whole.

I don't really get that either.  I hardly go see the opener to any show unless I'm interested in the band.  I'm going to see the headliner, most of the time I could care less about the opener.  I'd much rather drink for less in a bar/parking lot than pay through the nose and watch a band I could care less about in the arena.

No offense to the openers or the people who like to go see the whole show, that's just me.  Especially for a GNR show when you know there's a good chance they won't be going on for some time.  I guess not everyone is aware of this fact, but how couldn't you be by now?

Things HAVE been thrown at the band before and they've been warned and followed orders and refrained from throwing anything else.  The crowd didn't do that in this situation.  They kept throwing shit.  THAT'S what pissed him off.  To my knowledge, a crowd hasn't treated the band with such disrespect before.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but THAT'S the reason.  It's not that he just "had a bad day".

It's funny - I was just listening Brownstone from 09-21-1986 and the same shit happened, somebody threw a bottle, hit axl and he called the show.  I guess somethings never change . . .

Don;t get me wrong, I do not blame the band for leaving the stage and I give them credit for going back on, I just found it funny as I was listening. 

What page is the setlist on?

The show from 9/20/86 was stopped because water was spilled on the electrical and the police stopped the gig. Yes Axl did get hit by a bottle and was not happy about it.,but thats not what stopped the show. That was just one Asshole that had no idea who he was watching on stage that night at that free concert.

You can find it here:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/tour/tour-10_4.php

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It doesn't matter if it's GNR or Justin Bieber.  Those assholes that throw shit can show up anywhere.
It's up to the venue's security to throw those assholes out.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/09/justin-bieber-water-bottle-hit-head-bangs-hair-video/

i think there are two main points in all of this

1- people shouldnt throw bottles to the stage, in that respect Axl and the band have to see for their own safety. so its logic that they have to leave the stage until things get better.

2- like me there are many fans that dont get bothered if they play on time or not (actually i havent seen GNR live).  but there are people that do get mad and i think its okay, they paid their ticket and they have the right to know more or less at what time they are getting home etc. we can say "fuck them, then dont go to see GNR" but like we cant control who buys the tickets thats just unreall.  Axl has the right to perform at the time he wants and the crowd has the right to be unhappy if they feel they are not treated right.

I think the sad part of this is, it was probably going to be a special show for the band i heard phil lynott's` mother was there and had met them before the show and presented them with a miniture replica statue of phil that`s in Dublin town centre i feel sure that some reference to him and thin lizzy would have been made it`s a shame we`ll never know i`d love to hear Axl cover a thin lizzy song.
Also how simple would it have been for the officials at the arena to inform there staff and the audience not to worry about the 11o`clock curfew and that they would be fine getting there cars it would have saved alot of stress all round. What i say is if Phil lynnots mum can rock to the early hours so can we!

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Fucking hell, we shouldn't really be suprised that Axl has spent so much of his time over the last fifteen years away from the media. When he does go on tour look at all the shit he gets, it fucking crazy.

If someone had thrown shit at U2 or Rhianna and they'd have walked off stage it would have been reported that some idiot spoiled the show, at a Guns concert its reported that its Axl's fault.

Imagine if someone you never met threw something at you, you'd punch them in the fucking face right?

It doesn't matter if the bottle was plastic or if it had piss in it or not, if you think it does..... Give me your address I'll come round and through plastic bottles of water at your head, see how long it takes you to smack me in the chops.

I feel sorry for the band right now and I wouldn't be suprised if they cross the UK and Ireland off the next tour, we don't deserve them.

Here's what Axl thinks about people who throw stuff at the stage (from one of his message board chats in December 08):

Quote from: Dexter @ CD.com
Quote from: Appetite on Today at 11:17:55

Fan
Axl if under assumption you tour the UK again will you be going back to Newcastle? despite the last time one prick there throwing pound coins about. I was there that night in 2006 and it would be a shame for the next tour not to stop there because of one idiot out of thousands (althouh I'm sure it's a lot more complicated then that and down to promotors).

Axl
That wouldn't stop us from playing there again. And the whole throwing shit sucks and is pretty cowardly but the leaving I got at Donnington from Lemmy. When we 1st played Donnington I was so happy I had knocked a bottle of piss out of the air when Lemmy gave me a lecture how if another band got hurt because I allowed people to throw things at our shows I'd be responsible for other bands getting hurt. Whether real or there's an argument against that, I've never been able to have anything override that in my head, not even a riot and I don't know why.

If you're working hard and some cunt throws something so he can tell his buddies I don't see where it's worth it

If it makes the situation take some form of context, Tony Blair was having stuff thrown at him today in Dublin, not a good week for Dublin.

The irony being there's an argument for one deserving these because of consequences of their actions, that have affected lives for real. Yet the media will report it as an assault on them, rather than "arguably justified provocation at his alleged war crimes " 

Funny that don't you think, Guns n' Roses go on stage at a time they are ready to give a night to remember and they blasted by all and sundry (or should that be All incendiary!) The comparisons couldn't be further apart, yet the mob rule "one size fits all"  method of dishing out their kind of justice see's the more likely candidate for doing bird, being beyond reproach, what a mad,mad world we live in.  :rant:

Yes, I do remember listening to Axl saying something to the crowd about spilling water on the electrical. My original post wasn't a criticism of the band, i guess it was ironic / timing that this happens to be a huge story over the news and I was listening to it.

Hey dont worry GnR, apparently Dublin likes to throw shit at anyone, really shows how cowardly some regions treat people. Its as if they went to see these people solely to harass them. This is an article I found on Yahoo about shoe and eggs! being thrown at former PM Tony Blair. Yet he will not get an ounce of negative press over it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100904/ap_on_re_eu/eu_ireland_blair

Yeah the press are reporting the crowds being unruly rather than it being Blair's fault, but in all fairness the media have been tearing him a new one for at least five years since he took us into an illegal war!

I'm a bit bemused at the incident in Dublin. I've been to gigs at Slane Castle and it seems out of character, but when idiots fill themselves full of alcohol anything can happen, which is pretty sad to be honest. It's been happening at Leeds for years, it's just usually confined to the campsite. At the end of 2002 tents and toilet blocks were on fire and there were police helicopters overhead, it was more like Apocalypse Now!

I'm Irish and I'm horrified at the way scumbag sections of the crowd treated the band.

Booing and throwing stuff is unacceptable and the security was non existant.

If you want to see slash or see the band change their name
or expect the band on time :dont go. It's really that simple. :rant:

You expect GNR to be on time? :rofl:
Then you are not GNR fans.

Apologies to the band from your real fans in Ireland.

Well, the difference is that GN'R is a Rock N' Roll band and U2 is music for pussys.

I wouldn't say that but we aint here for U2 nuf said :)

When I saw guns n' roses live in Dublin the irish people couldn't be nicer.
First of all the security insisted on putting on some sunscreen, he wouldn't leave before we did so.
Then everybody got drunk but in a nice way. We stood where the crowd was the wildest but as soon as someone got hurt everybody helped him get up. Then there was 1 drunk that started to annoy people and everybody gave him the evil face and he was gone before I knew it.
To be honest, it was the best crowd of all the 2006 gigs I've seen :o

Well played sir!!! A sensible post at last!!!

If it's something like announcing that the curfew has been lifted then I can see someone making an announcement beforehand.

That being said, IMO, any other explanation/apology/excuse is only going to incite the crowd even more.  Anyone who would attempt to do that should come out wearing a shirt with a target on it.

Any "fan" who goes to a show and says they don't know the deal is a liar and is probably pissing into a bottle as they're lying about it. 

I'd bet that before any show the crowd is "restless" waiting during the changeover/whatever.  As long as things don't get out-of-hand where someone could get injured, I don't see what the big deal is.  (and if things do start to get out-of-hand, security should take care of those assholes before the band hits the stage) 

Isn't booing the opening acts and the negative chants before the main attraction all part of the concert going experience?  It's all just the pent up anticipation and excitement.

People enjoy venting.  Let it be. 
99.9% of the time, once Axl hits that first note, the booing and negative chants turn immediately in cheering!!! :headbanger:



Things like this Dublin incident are the exception not the rule.

   

at this point you know there are just some pricks who go and intentionally try to cause a scene because they know it will get press. the fact of the matter is all venues MUST add a hell of a lot more security when it comes to a GNR show and the crowd should maybe be pushed back 20-30 feet. sucks for us who love to be right up front, but id rather see an amazing GNR concert than go home seing a song and a half.

In my honest opinion this whole incident could have been avoided if either Axl after the first song or the promoter before GNR came on stage said listen folks were a little bit late sorry, but the curfew has been lifted, dont worry, GNR are going to rock this place. Thats all it would have took. I think alot of people in the crowd thought they were only going to get a half hour show because of the curfew and were just pissed off. No excuse for throwing bottles as I said. But it would have stopped what happened in my opinion. I knew GNR would be late like all life long GNR fans, but not everbody there knew that, not the casual fans.

The problem was though, The 02 in Dublin always had a strict 11pm no exceptions policy. they even turned the house lights up on Pearl Jam not too far back. So the crowd had no idea that the curfew was waived.

The Irish have redeemed themselves.

What I said was that they should have announced that the curfew was lifted.

ive been saying it also for days and no one seemed to really agree. so glad u share the same feeling!


here is that Pearl Jam vid

as soon as "Alive" is over, houselights are turned on:

Eddie does sort of a mock sit in. LOL!

so yeah, the guy who posted this vid and the explanation named Outlaw Pete at GNRevo basically said how once it got after 10.. thecrowd started booing thinking the plug was gonna be pulled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgmkRZNUUM

Are you saying it's impossible to die from having someone hurl heavy glass directly at your head?  I don't think even the most delusional hater would suggest that.  So if it's possible to  be killed, then it's something that needs to be considered.  Not only for Axl's safety, but the safety of the band, their crew and families. 

And just because the bottles didn't actually hit anyone on stage doesn't excuse it.  If someone committed a drive-by shooting in your neighborhood and riddled your house with bullets, would you think it was okay just as long as nobody got hit?  Don't be so ridiculous in your anti-Axl sentiments that you can't even admit the honest truth of a situation.

I will admit that you're right about whether or not we're certain it was Irish people throwing the bottles.  I mean, we know that the place was in Ireland and that the crowd was overwhelmingly Irish.  And we know that many Irish people have drinking problems and there's a history of violence associated with the culture.  But you're right.  For all we know, the three people who threw bottles got on a train from India just to try and disgrace the fine Irish name.

Plastic Bottles were thrown. woulda hurt like hell. no way it causes death however.

According to you, it wasn't glass.  According to others, it was. 

But if it was plastic, it's good to know that you're totally fine with the band being "hurt like hell."  As long as you get your kicks, right?

Jesus, it's a wonder Axl even takes the stage at all with fans like you.

Pearl Jam did the same thing in Hartford when I saw them this year.  I'm not sure whether that's part of their act or if it's defying curfew.  But it certainly wasn't a one time occurrence. 

it seems open season on Axl at the moment, say one of the bottles( plastic or not) had hit the kid one of the board members took and Axl had carried on he`d have  been blamed  for not stopping the show, the fact is it`s not just his and the bands safety it`s the audience`s as well it`s everyone's responsibility to look out for each other, who wants to be near someone who wants to spoil it for everyone else lets help them to the exit : ok:

Bullshit, the bottles hit him. I was front row centre and when he got hit I turned to my friend and said "Woooow... Thats gotta hurt" a couple seconds later he cut jungle

dude are u mental? Where did i say it was ok for them to throw anything? kindly show me please. but u are being ridiculous.

Look there was a load of knobheads there, a girl behind me was shouting, giving out that she had gotten her hair done and giving out cos she had to stand so long and she kept going on and on. I was like, 'go home if you want to then'. As the cunts were booing I was saying shut the fuck up, let's all enjoy this. It wasn't exactly a rough crowd

I got hit on top of the head with a glass beer mug at the Adler's Appetite concert in the Seattle area at least 6 times by a guy who was old enough to know better. Some people just care about themselves. It was really annoying, so I can imagine how infuriating it is for the band who is trying to concentrate and put on a good show. I was irritated  in Las Vegas when people were throwing cups on the stageat the last GNr show at the Joint. Now I know why you can't take bottles into the Allstate Arena or the United Center.