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Title: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Oasis1 on July 26, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
From INMUSIC:

http://inmusic.ca/photos/themes/Articles/underrated_albums.htm?feedname=INMUSIC_UNDERRATEDALBUMS&pos=3&nolookup=true

Chinese Democracy, Guns N Roses (2008): There was NO WAY this album wasn't going to be underrated - too much waiting, too much hype, too much pessimism/guarded optimism. 'Chinese Democracy' sold 5 million copies, which would be awesome for most bands but we're talking about GNR here. It's not a masterpiece but the vocals are great, the musical experimentation is highly sophisticated and the whole thing is bombastic and utterly unapologetically power pop metal. So clearly a labour of love it would be ungenerous not to give it its due. (credit: Album Art)
 
 
 




Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Axlfanatic on July 26, 2010, 01:52:38 PM
Good to see someone with a NON-Biased view giving CD the credit it deserves- %90 of the people bashing it never gave it a chance & those that did realized it was just damn good music, period. :beer:


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Ismellbetterthanyou on July 26, 2010, 02:14:06 PM
"It's not a masterpiece"

Yes it is. :yes:


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Ignacio on July 26, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
It's an Underrated masterpiece. Thanks for posting Oasis1


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on July 26, 2010, 03:08:43 PM
In time it will be viewed with more respect by a wider audience of professional and amateur critics.  Kind of like Beastie Boys Pauls Boutique.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: wight gunner on July 26, 2010, 03:36:12 PM
I was kinda hoping that it would be re-released, with perhaps a couple of bonus tracks, maybe live or acoustic versions of the songs, or even OMG and get this baby promoted properly... :yes:


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Voodoochild on July 26, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
In time it will be viewed with more respect by a wider audience of professional and amateur critics.  Kind of like Beastie Boys Pauls Boutique.
Ive always thought that. And Im sure it will be making on some lists as one of the underrated albums of the past decade.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Liquor & Whores on July 26, 2010, 06:12:45 PM
"It's not a masterpiece"

Yes it is. :yes:

+1

good to read an objective opinion like that though


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Ulises on July 26, 2010, 11:19:43 PM
Already said that....but in ten years or so this album will be a classic


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Albert S Miller on July 26, 2010, 11:38:11 PM
I appreciate fine art in all forms, I appreciate Chinese Democracy and respect Axl for all his efforts, and it took many, and also finally letting it be a part of our lives, for those who haven't given it a fair chance or no chance at all are clearly missing out on some pretty outstanding musical talent.  He is genious in my book :).


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Buddha_Master on July 27, 2010, 02:25:38 AM
See, now this Jarmo... is something truly positive. Chinese Democracy is a masterpiece. You all fucking rule as always.Good fucking night.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: adman2374 on July 27, 2010, 12:55:57 PM
It's the Greatest Album ever created, period...


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on July 27, 2010, 01:35:21 PM
I think one ingredient that is necessary in order to secure CD's legacy, is that GNR will need to put out new product in the coming years.  If they stay in people's conscienceness, then we can look back not just at the AFD and UYI era, but look back at CD and real begin to appreciate Axl and the band's genius over a sustained period.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: oldgunsfan on July 27, 2010, 01:58:22 PM
It's the Greatest Album ever created, period...

let's not get carried away : ok:


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: svdv22 on July 27, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
It's the Greatest Album ever created, period...

let's not get carried away : ok:

Yeah, I heard something about a new album..? Something even better?
Is that possible? ;)


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: russtcb on July 27, 2010, 03:21:03 PM
From INMUSIC:

http://inmusic.ca/photos/themes/Articles/underrated_albums.htm?feedname=INMUSIC_UNDERRATEDALBUMS&pos=3&nolookup=true

Chinese Democracy, Guns N Roses (2008): There was NO WAY this album wasn't going to be underrated - too much waiting, too much hype, too much pessimism/guarded optimism. 'Chinese Democracy' sold 5 million copies, which would be awesome for most bands but we're talking about GNR here. It's not a masterpiece but the vocals are great, the musical experimentation is highly sophisticated and the whole thing is bombastic and utterly unapologetically power pop metal. So clearly a labour of love it would be ungenerous not to give it its due. (credit: Album Art)
 
 
 




That's just plain a great word to describe the album: "underrated"

To me, the album is the definition of that term. Even if you don't love the entire thing, I really feel that there is at least "something for everyone". And although I don't think their (GNR) intention was to do so, they real produced an album that is accessible to many different types of music listeners. For one or all of the reasons listed in this article, many people never gave it a chance.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: HBK on July 28, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
ChinDem. Is Rock Progressive, GN`R Is Level UP In Comparassion:

Motley, Poison, Cinde, Warrant, Etc... Glam Fashion Rock Band Of 80-s.

 :smoking:


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: mrlee on July 28, 2010, 03:28:30 PM
Except Motley Crue have balls in their music and cannot be compared.

Except Cinderella actually can play their instruments and made alot of great blues rock.

Poison and Warrant can be put in the same category as cheese pop metal though.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: Buddha_Master on July 28, 2010, 07:03:56 PM
Except Motley Crue have balls in their music and cannot be compared.

Except Cinderella actually can play their instruments and made alot of great blues rock.

Poison and Warrant can be put in the same category as cheese pop metal though.

Motley Crue has balls? Yea I guess.... its just these bands have nothing NOTHING going on artistically speaking. I would never... never fucking ever say that these bands are artists. "Artists" is a word that is way to overused. Just because you are in a band and have a following doesn't mean you are an artist. Its like the word Pornstar. Its like any bitch who fucks is a pornstar these days.

Axl fucking Rose is an actual artist and he proves that time and time again.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: BlowUpYourVideo on July 28, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
It's not a masterpiece but the vocals are great, the musical experimentation is highly sophisticated and the whole thing is bombastic and utterly unapologetically power pop metal.

I like this description. :)

I'm not sure how willing I'd be to give a few of the other albums on the list a chance, but nice to see CD get a mention.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: One.In.A.Million on July 28, 2010, 08:53:39 PM
Except Motley Crue have balls in their music and cannot be compared.

Except Cinderella actually can play their instruments and made alot of great blues rock.

Poison and Warrant can be put in the same category as cheese pop metal though.

Motley Crue has balls? Yea I guess.... its just these bands have nothing NOTHING going on artistically speaking. I would never... never fucking ever say that these bands are artists. "Artists" is a word that is way to overused. Just because you are in a band and have a following doesn't mean you are an artist. Its like the word Pornstar. Its like any bitch who fucks is a pornstar these days.

Axl fucking Rose is an actual artist and he proves that time and time again.

I have never liked Motley or any other band mentioned in the quoted post. GN'R have always been more than a typical rock band, you can't even compare Axl with Vince, Axl is in a different galaxy artistic wise.

What I love about GN'R is that they came from Hollywood just like Poison, Motley and many other bands. But GN'R has evolved, and turned into something very unique. Much different from the usual Rock from bands like AC-DC, Bon Jovi and Poison.

Chinese Democracy is a testament to Axls' vision and will be discovered by thousands of more people in the future. Axl and GN'R were already legendary before CDs' release. But Axl has secured his place in Rock history now, after releasing this masterpiece.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: inlikeflynn420 on July 28, 2010, 10:07:50 PM
I've liked the Crue since they first came out. I was in high school then, and they fuckin rocked. I was also into Quiet Riot and Ratt then, too. Cruisin' around in my $400 car, smoking weed, and rocking out. And i can still listen to all of them and have a good time. But those bands, along with countless others were just that - "nuthin' but a good time" (to quote one of those bands) And there's nothing wrong with that, but you tend to not really expect much artistically from some bands. But i remember the first time i heard GnR, and right from the fuckin getgo you knew there was something special about this band.  For me, at the time, "Rocket Queen" was the song that really made me expect A LOT from this band. And they have never disappointed me as the sound has grown. A lot of people would love it if CD would've sounded exactly like Appetite, but I would have been very disappointed with that. I love how the sound has grown, and i love how my favorite band since i first listened to them has evolved and has become this incredible vision with new members contributing different amazing music and i look forward to what the future brings. As far as CD being underrated, i think a lot of people have such a negative attitude of Axl that they don't give it a chance. A guy at work just this week told me how much the album sucks, and when i asked him what sucked so bad about it he told me he's never even listened to it because he knows it would suck. Had just one song taken off and been a huge hit, all of a sudden a lot of people would suddenly LOVE the cd and claim they've loved it from the start. I agree with a previous post that if the band continues to create incredible music, then people will look back on CD and appreciate it for the masterpiece that it is.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: mrlee on July 29, 2010, 11:19:11 AM
Except Motley Crue have balls in their music and cannot be compared.

Except Cinderella actually can play their instruments and made alot of great blues rock.

Poison and Warrant can be put in the same category as cheese pop metal though.

Motley Crue has balls? Yea I guess.... its just these bands have nothing NOTHING going on artistically speaking. I would never... never fucking ever say that these bands are artists. "Artists" is a word that is way to overused. Just because you are in a band and have a following doesn't mean you are an artist. Its like the word Pornstar. Its like any bitch who fucks is a pornstar these days.

Axl fucking Rose is an actual artist and he proves that time and time again.
you see this is why i rant when people put crue and cinderella, in the same area as poison and warrant.

Part of the same scene? sure, just like GNR were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuegke22rdA i dont see how Cinderella cannot be considered artists when they put out songs like this etc.  Cinderella did progress, their first album was very Aerosmith just with that 80s "pop metal" production, but the second album, and then the third album etc evolve more and more towards Rolling Stones inspired blues. Unfortunately for them they got fucked over by their record label, stopping them from being able to put out anymore music under the Cinderella moniker.

Where as Poison made the same generic stuff over and over except they lost more and more energy in their songs per album release.

Motley Crue, yknow, not the most amazing musicians. But there music flat out rocks, and they (did) put on a great live show much like Alice Cooper before them.

I understand the "GNR are different" argument totally, because they are and you are right, they Axl does write better music. The style of GNR now is very different, plus alot of those bands dont release music anymore with the exception of Crue who flatout suck ass now. My issue is, Motley Crue and Cinderella are unfairly associated with stuff like Warrant simply because of the whole LA glam image thing.


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: jarmo on July 29, 2010, 11:24:27 AM
I have no interest in reading about what you think of other bands in the GN'R section

So please take that discussion to another section.


/jarmo


Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Makes 'Most Underrated Album' List
Post by: demanding_GNR_rock on July 29, 2010, 01:40:15 PM
sorry jarmo.... 'the music' made the list, thought they would have been huge :rofl: