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There's a lot of buzz on a few forums concerning a future release happening this year.

- Axl is in New York City, he was photographed two blocks away from Universal Music in said city.
- There's a huge European tour happening in 3 weeks, with a flagship date at the Reading festival
- Frank Ferrer has said that a US tour will be compiled in "late summer"
- In one of the several web chats, Axl said that he always saw CD as a double album, and we know they have tons of material left
- The band has hired a new manager
- The best part, on GN'R's official Twitter it currently says "ok... times to go take care of some biznezz...you all have a great w/e and oh yeah.. don't forget to follow @axlrose ;) peace!!!"

This is crazy. Axl is the happiest it seems in forever. This could be an even better year with a new LP on store shelves. I for one, believe we will get an album this year.

What does everyone think?

Exciting times ahead if you like Guns N' Roses.

Maybe the bussiness is related with South America documentary or something like that.

However, I lived 2006 and 2007 tour but this is the MOST EXCITING. I can't ask for more, I saw the guys live, Guns N' Roses is better than ever, Axl seems to be happy...


If a new CD comes out in the future, that's great. But now I'm looking forward for european tour

I think its a little early for a new album, we had a massive wait for CD, and the follow up, will it be as long? no i dont think so, but i think we may have to wait at least another 2 years or something, this tour is to tour the CD album, no new songs are being played.

Also the material is already recorded? Im not so sure on if thats fact or not, but its written, and will ashba have his input on the album, that'll take a while, theres been no mention of a new album or anything.

I dont think there is a hope of an album this year

In 3 weeks!?! That would be 16th of may. Where is the show?

Material between 1997-2008 has been recorded. From what we know, the band hasn't recorded since then. However, during that period there were many tracks recorded that weren't featured on Chinese Democracy and most likely being saved for future releases. Ron himself has said he's recorded songs that aren't on CD. That just cements Axl's statement about the double-album thing.

lol

Yeah, there are almost no dates confirmed, and Reading can hardly be said to take place within three weeks  :P

And so ashba will have to re record his parts, as im sure axl wants him on the record because he's in the band, and there on tour right now, so unless they record on tour, i dont see that happening this year, unless its already done of course, but im sure ashba is recording with Sixx A.M. in bewteen GNR dates?

You are getting way ahead of yourself man, Axl said in one of his chats that the focus is on Chinese for now and they are going to tour that for awhile. I wouldn't expect a new album this year at all.

I really don't KNOW anything, but a bit of common sense and logic takes you a long way. Current tour is promoting CD and the band is busy with that until towards the end of the year. I cannot see there is time to release anything at all this year, recorded or not, material there or not. In the light of the information that has been given over the years it seems certain there are more songs "ready" besides those released on CD. However, all these songs are at least partially composed by former band members. We can hope this material comes out one day. The current line up seems to be quite tight both musically and otherwise, and I would not be surprised if there was new material brewing within the band, perhaps in near future when touring allows, or maybe they have already started with something. The interesting question is, does the band prioritize the older, already existing material that was partly composed by guys who are not in anymore, or do they wish to do something new with the current band.

useing the word prospect isn't really good right now.being as the motorcycle club i road with many years ago.has been taken down by the goverment right now.

but it's a possiblitiy though what you r saying.

i dont think that would be a studio album.i think it could be a live dvd proyect or maybe music videos!.i really hope the new manager make the things right,like the great bands only can do.

Right now, I'd say the band is thinking only about this tour, but we can expect anything from GNR, right? If it was up to Ron and Ashba I bet they'd put out another album while touring. Probably the whole band is not even thinking about it, anyway.

After the tour is over, by the end of the year, it would be a PERFECT timing to put out another record and conquer the world again. But nothing in GNR is simple as that. Let's wait and see. And there's no harm in making a speculation thread anyway. We're bored.

Yes, I too bet those two are probably burning to make some new GNR music. Let's hope the rest of the band (and especially a certain someone whose name starts with A) agree. As much as I'd want the "old" music to come out, I'd prefer this line up make their own record from the scratch. I have high expectations regarding their ability.

I would love to get a new album this year, but I honestly don't think it will happen.

Would be cool though if they released like a 5 song EP to hold us over... (Yeah, I know that will never happen)

there won't be a new album this year, I'd love to be wrong but I don't think I am in this case

I think we`re getting a DVD ;)

What a great move if Guns and Roses released a new album this year. All criticisms of long delays for Chinese Democracy would go out of the window - i'm sure Axl is keen to see some return from 10yrs worth of recordings too - and then he can draw a line under everything and get into the studio with the new band when he's ready

The fans would be as happy as pigs in shit - all new, previously unheard songs - the band on tour and playing the new songs live.

It would be THE news of 2010 for a lot of rock fans and I'm sure the record company would approach it with a much better attitude this time - they've got their money back from the best buy deal.

But I agree, unlikely to happen, except for the fact this is Axl Rose and anything can happen!

I remember in one of those first DJ Ashba chats on his website.. he mentioned he was "recording" everyday

now whether this was Sixx AM or GNR i don't know

I could see a US tour in August and a new album in NOvember... why not?

I think they are building some nice momentum, finally have a proven "Great" Manager

listen, no offense to any countries, but u don't go get a manager the caliber of Doc McGhee just to tour Central America or South America or Europe. Axl could do that with any management.

U get someone like Doc for US tour and album release stuff

I think its best to not get ur hopes up.
The band has never directly come out and said they are def workin on a follow up to come out this year.

I can just see it now, the band doesnt release a new album this year and it turns into another Chinese situation where the fans start getting pissed at Axl because he didnt release a new record, when in fact no one ever even said one was considered being released this year.

Thats my view on this.

or the so called remix album as Brain said.

Honestly though.. there isn't even a name for the next album announced... it certainly doesn't come out this year...

do you think its possible with the UK festival dates?

Anything is possible, but I'm not buying into this yet.  We're in rampant and pure speculation mode right now.  Reading into tweets and such.  Are they hinting at things without really telling us exactly what's going on?  Quite possibly.  And people make valid points on both fronts.  Axl DID say he thought of CD as a double album and would like to release the follow up and continue to tour for some time.  Then again, he did say he'd like to focus on CD and tour it properly.

Obviously I'd LOVE a new album, and it would probably be huge news.  I mean it took 10+ years for them to release CD and then just 2 years for the follow up?  All things considered, that's not too bad.  But, I'm not holding out much hope at this point.  I'll just enjoy the ride, wherever it takes us.  And I'm still patiently awaiting them to come back and tour the US, new album or not.

yeah but the 10 years wasn't just Axl fucking around in a studio

in that time span he had to find a new band, make them all gel, go through all sorts of legal issues etc.

I don't know why people think its gonna take Axl 10 years to release any album in the future.

For some reason I've always been very curious about 'Ides of March', I don't know why really
The title just got a nice ring to it. I think this will be a grand epic song, but since I based this on absolutely nothing I could very well be totally wrong :)

I don't think people do, I think people think that Axl thinks he and the band haven't given CD the time it deserves, promotion/touring wise etc. That's the reason to why I think an early-mid 2011 release is the earliest

Sorry to be a kill-joy but I think - in the absence of any real indication of a new album from the band -  threads like this are counter-productive.

Fans hopes get raised, get dashed and the band gets flak.

True. Also, if there's one thing I've learned for being a guns n' roses fan is to "better hold my breath for jesus, as the pay off may be that much greater". It's useless trying to predict what will happen, when it will happen or in what order it will happen.

just think a few years back we were wondering if we would ever see a new CD or material. now we got that and a tour just relax ok enjoy them while there around touring, and i hope you guys get to see them in concert, ive been lucky to see them twice in four years i dont need a new albume yet!

Why the Rush?

let this band have some fun behind this album.
and don't forget it took afd also some time to ingest....

Focus on what you have instead of what you might get.


To be able to get Chinese Democracy out to us, there were all kinds of obstacles that needed to be cleared. I'm not sure if it's any easier to put new music out today than in 2008.

The record company didn't seem to have any idea of what they were doing in 2008. Not sure if anything has changed....


/jarmo

it's all about the money these days in the buss.
I'm with you on this Jarmo that it took a sweet load of time to get cd out in de us or anywhere else.
and see what happened there whoever is to blame but I don't see cd as a failiure, it's one epic CD and just some people should look beyond the words of $ and just write wat is right.

and for cd 2 I think money is a big obstacle and I think a lot of parties involved might see it that way and I think they are right...

but like you said let them focus on this...

and perhaps some people can take care of the internet by bringing the cd's in legal through the net or torrents then to sit on there ass allday and doing nothing...

I am not even thinking about the next album at the moment, although it would obviously be amazing. With Chinese Democracy being released in 2008, and now with GN'R touring the album, I couldn't be happier.  :)

i think its too soon for a new album, but think in the southamerican tour documentary and/or a live dvd is less insane

not gonna happen, that guy who was supposed to do it was fired after a few days of touring.. but We can hope something comes out....

i dont think we will have a new album at all

That's silly.  Axl, himself, said that late 2009 was a possibility for the next album during his fan chats.  We're now well into 2010 so what reason do we have to not expect the next album soon? 

He did say same bat time, same bat channel or something like that.

I would love to hear new music, because I love CD and the direction of the music. But I think we can be glad for a while CD was actually released.

Right now. I would take an Atlantic City - house of blues show over a new album

that would've been november 09.. things change, stuff didn't happen/work out..



This I agree with, wouldn't suck to have some more kickass rockers along the lines of riad and shacklers for example

Axl said that he didnt consider this album finished with until they had completed a tour and released some tracks from it, and that photographer guy i forget his name said he was being paid to go on tour with them and that Axl wanted to make some big budget november rain style videos later in the year. So my guess would be we wont see a new album until next summer at the earliest, i cant believe after the time it took to get the first album out that they wont give it the full promo that it deserves, like videos for Better, SOD,TIL and TWAT

Like I said. that didn't work out. that guy was fired/released from contract or whatever.
Richard had said that some month or 2 ago

Give it 5 years id say.

Current tour will end at the end of this year or the beginning of 2011.  They'll probably take a break for a few months then.
Then they'll regroup. 

I think it will take a lot of time though cos DJ will have to re-record all the material etc and there will be lots of legal issues with Azoff. 

My guess would be 2015.

Not really.  As we all know, Bucket's parts stayed on CD as did Fincky's parts.

In the end, it really doesn't matter.

Yep things are great for GNR fans now!!!!





Joe

I think it's way too early for a new album. Chinese is still fresh as fuck and personally I havent even heard half the new songs played live. Can't wait for the euro tour.

But I guess NOW is the time for the band to jam and work on new ideas since they are already spending so much time together. I'm sure they do as well, but I don't think they'll take it to studio just yet. When GNR book studio they move in.

The band is doing pretty fucking well touring so it's only natural for them to focus on that. This is the time for them to make some serious profit.

I can't fucking believe how strong GNR are today compared to fuckin' ever.

A new album would be absolutely amazing (I would seriously need to whip out my extra special happy dance for that one!), but realistically, I don't think it will happen this year.

I think the band are right to continue touring and promoting CD. Many people still haven't given it the time it deserves and I think more shows and (hopefully) some promotional videos will help to turn people's attention to it.

About a new album, i think is too early to "GNR". Like a fan, of course i'll like a new CD... but u know, GNR clock is different to the rest of the world.

Axl... the Sudamerican tour, especially Chile was the best of my life, Thanx!

I hope u can release material (DVD or BlueRay) like Baz are doing from Chile gig!

Darn I was hoping for a new cd in May.

this news rocks my world '
i only hope for a new cd soon as well.

"Most" bands put things out every 2 years, 3 at the max.  GNR is not "most" bands, they are far superior.  I think it is impossible to predict when a new album would come out.  While "Chinese Democracy" has been out for almost 2 years the material is still very fresh and the touring has only just begun in recent months.  Remember there is still a European tour coming up and lets not forget about the U.S tour that is probably going to happen at some point.  For some reason GNR likes touring the U.S in the Fall/Winter(2002, 2006) so I wouldnt be surprised if we hear something on that in the not too distant future. Im thinking late 2011 early 2012 would be the absolute earliest that we could expect any type of new album coming out.  Thats just me making a guess using  an average time table for how most bands do things.  Right now I'm just enjoying "Chinese Democracy", so I'm all set for a long time.  The "Illusions" held me over for 17 years. :)

Bodhi and the others are all right on the money with this.
But still I would be happy/supprised with a new album and it never hurts to hope!!!





Joe

I've always thought, (and this is me daydreaming) that the follow up to CD would be stronger than CD. Because I remembered  Axl saying the songs they were playing live during the 2001 period were not the big guns. And I vaguely remember something about rhiad being a b-side that ended up on CD....
Im probably wrong but maybe Axl thought, hey we're going to put all the live and leaked stuff on the first CD and we'll keep some other big guns for the follow up..

So, that keeps me interested. Although I couldve just imagined the whole scenario :hihi:

Cant wait for The General.

I just hope nothing gets leaked before the release.

If I'm not mistaken, this quote is from a supposed interview with Dizzy in 2005 or something about Riad. I don't buy that, IMO this never happened.

There's a recent interview with BBF for an Argentinam magazine when he talk about the first time he saw Axl - and they were rehearsing Riad. The song got rehearsed since 2001 and even in 2010 setlists it was there, so I don't believe it was really considered as being just "a b-side that ended up on CD".

IMO, Axl was talking about songs like Better and There Was A Time when he mentioned the "big guns" back in 2002. But in 2006 he mentioned Street of Dreams (The Blues back then) as one of his favorite songs in the album, so I guess things change.

So without being A dick or whatever.


who started this rumour and who's the one to blame all forums are on this rumour like hell when nothing seems to point out the've been working on a second album this year(meaning the bussiness side of things)

I hate it when people do this...

Oh Axl is staying near Universal.... WOW....... that means a new album is in the works.... didn't know they were working with universal on their new album... hmpf

Any thought of starting the process of a new album before the tour the crap out of the USA again, is pre-mature, to say the least

By the time current tour is done, the band has gotten the kinks out, developed chemistry again and will be a tight group....just in time to bring this act back to New York City and the rest of the country

Hopefully, there are not disturbances with this and they complete a US tour, take a little ( :confused:) time off........and then focus on another album

I think to expect anything else or something new soon is asking to be dissapointed

First Post! greetings all :peace:

I dont think a new album is on the bands mind as a priority right now, its all about Chinese with maybe videos or whatever being considered. A new record is inevitable if the band is to survive long term but that could be a few years in the future as chin dem still has mileage. axl talked about having a large amount of stuff recorded and that former members, Fink and i presume bucket, will feature in future releases. this and the other various stuff hes mentioned about double albums and what not suggests that he has an eye on releasing more material in the future.

i wonder what all the fuss is about the record company that Jarmo mentioned. how can universal not know how to release a record? axl seems extremely bent out of shape with the suits he told us about his disappointment with the promotional stratagies but that aside what is the big dealio?

I think the question is: What dumbass record company would *not* want to put out another new Guns N' Roses album??

For the life of me, I just do not get why they aren't more supportive...

I second this, I want the album to be fresh for everyone. I can't even imagine what any new material will sound like because every song off CD sounds unique in it's style.

But lets, let the band Tour CD first before we demand any more material, although there's no harm in dreaming I guess.  :D

The record companies all think they run the show. When they realize they work for the artists and not the other way around, things will get better...




/jarmo

yeah, everything sucks ball then.  :-X

cool, thanks jarmo.
I wonder if thats why axl didn't really help out as they would expect following the albums immediate release. im more than happy with the chats he done on the forums-by passing media- but from the record companies perspective that must have been a slight?
maybe they shall realize just who they fuckin with after a barn storming world tour, ill see y'all in leeds! following which they may get more encouragment to release a follow up : ok:

I also think it's something that's been getting worse over the past couple of years. Record companys are soley interested in getting a product on the shelves while spending as little if not any money in promoting it. That's why in this day and age, you have no idea who is who anymore on the music scene. They are all flavour of the months, then they will drop them and move on to some other talentless marketing tool.

I really feel sorry for GN'R's position, and I understand exactly what Axl was talking about when addressing the release of CD. They want to get the music to the fans, but at the same time they want to do it right. And when you have a record company that's not willing to fund the promotion that the music deserves. It puts the artist in between a rock and a hardplace, which only makes the situation more complicated.

 

leaks will always be an issue it's inpossible to controll them.
it's a miracle that nothing else got leaked when the first IRS got out in 03. anyone know if the purpose of it was to be the first single then??? kinda weird.

But when chinese came out you all saw the demo's coming in.  chinese,twat,better,irs,catcher,street of dreams. and we had heard rhiad/chinese/street/maddy before.

it's to bad that most part of the bad stuff is bussines as usual.

Sure hope so.  Must be beyond frustrating for Axl to have to deal with.  It's sad that in the end, the fans are the ones who get hurt because of the record company's greed and lack of support.  Either way, when Axl finally gets the support he needs to get this album out, the fans will, as always, be more than ready.  :)

I`m not ready for a new album yet i`m still enjoying this one  :)

I think the Best Buy deal was probably a blessing and a curse for CD. Blessing in that they probably recouped their costs from the deal. Curse in that once costs were covered the record company had no further interest in promoting it.

P.S. I'll refrain from getting into a big thing about how the band didn't promote it at release time either.

But keep in mind that many fans had already been jamming out to CD's songs from 2001 on from both live performances, youtube, and then....then the multitude of leaks from early 06-08.   A great album no doubt, but I can see how some fans would be ready to hear what else is 'in the can.'

This album contains probably 14 completely unheard songs.  By the time CD came out, by no fault of the band, 80% of the album had been heard by the fans.

This next album will be something special in that we have absolutely no idea what to expect.  How that doesn't get some people excited is beyond me.  I just hope they find a reasonable way to put it out.  :)

I Think:

> Europe Summer Tour 2010: TOTAL SUCCESS

> North America Leg 2010: Tampa, L.A., San Francisco, Philly, Washington, Dallas, Phoenix, Kansas, Atlanta, Michigan, etc.

> Finally Tour: 2011

> Video Clip ? mmmm...

> New Album: Fail 2012

I hope you're wrong about the fail.....

 ;D


/jarmo

Is GN'R still tied to Universal? Wasn't CD the last album they had to produce under their contract with Universal?

Surely touring is the best promotion for an album? Why wait until the big tour has stopped and everyone is taking a rest if you already have an album ready to go. Unless the band wants to tour again in 2012 I suppose.

If they are writing a new album and Axl isnt happy with the way Chinese democracy was recieved then we may never hear The General, Soul Monster etc. They might scrap everything and start again writing a more rock based album.

Are the band legally obligated to release any more albums? i heard other people suggest that but have no idea if its bs or not.

chinese was the last I think.
they can do whatever they want now :P

I feel that Axl did right by us. He promised CD. He made good on this promise. He gave us a Guns N' Roses masterpiece no matter what fucking haters think. Its perfection and far better than any of us deserved. If he doesn't want to release anything else, that's alright with me. Axl delivered the goods that will last a lifetime. I don't care what any thinks. To this day I cannot go more then a couple days before needing to go back to CD. Never has an album been so re-listenable for me. Its scary good.

Now, if he has the drive to do another one and get it out to us... I will be thrilled, and would stand in freezing weather for days, to be the first to get it, and hear it as soon as humanly possible. But its such an awesome feeling that Axl actually delivered on Chinese Democracy. I am so proud of Axl. And more content in this fact then I am about most other things. And that is fucking awesome. Thank you Axl.

Seconded!
I honestly can't go a day without listening to at least one track from CD. It's scarily addictive. Definitely a masterpiece!  Anything else that GN'R release in the future will be a bonus... with that said, I would very much like to hear a new album someday... like I said, I'm addicted - I'll eventually need another fix  ;)
... but, in the meantime, CD will see me through  : ok:

Then don't buy it.  ::)

Not true if the employees learn exactly the conciquences for such leaks then I am sure it will be much easyer to control.





Joe

Yeah, but when they never figure out exactly how it got leaked then consequences for the employees don't mean but so much.

I was reading one of the more recent Axl interviews, and the names of the newer songs are very intriguing, The General, Soul Monster, Thyme, and Down By The Ocean ..... Can't even imagine what they sound like ! To me There Was A Time was the most intriguing CD song, and turned out to be my favorite. So if there will be another album, I'm sure it will be like CD on steriods !!

SOUL MONSTER

 :drool: :drool: :drool:

"I think it's r most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward."

!!!!   :love:

I'd love to be able to hear this one day.

We have to get Axl in the boards one more time, so we can get the picture of how the new album or promotion for CD is going.
Or at least someone representing Axl, like Fernando.
It shouldn't be that heard, and it would be great and about time to do it.

Can you consider that please Axl and Fernando??

Down By The Ocean is what I would love to hear !
 :peace:

I would love a new album just like everybody else, but I want them to properly tour CD first, like they are doing now. By Axl's comments in the online chats, I feel he thinks the same too.

There will be a time for a new album, but I don't think that times just yet.

completely agree : ok:

As of now, we haven?t heard any official word regarding this "new album" rumour so I?m going to take it with a pinch of salt and pretend it doesn?t exist and that it is all speculation and false assumptions from people. IF a new album has to be released I bet they?ll tell us but to start rumours and taking hopes up is ridiculous because if nothing happens, I bet the ones who are now speculating will be the ones who will bash Axl when/if nothing happens.

Yes Sr.

 : ok:

i wonder if they will include a cover? would be cool to hear whole lotta rosie, or tommey doing sonic reducer.

I don't think the issue of new album will surface until its well under way and its totally acknowledged within the band what the track list will be. Just look at CD and the ridicule that Axl was subjected to. Definitely filed under "A lesson learned". It will also I believe be released with the marketing/promotion in place under Axl's terms and control, even if it has to be outside the hands of Universal on his own label. The CD tour has been going since 2002 so in my view could stop today and be put to bed, they toured the world under the name of CD world tour. I hope they don't BTW.

Would be very cool if Fernando, Beta, or even Uncle Dexter could pop up and add either a denial or a positive nod to these rumours.. :)

Seems like every gnr forum is being plastered with threads like these...

Just thinking about this. I hope Buckethead will be appearing on the followup to CD. At least on a song or two. Would be a sweet touch.

Seven is the song ive wanted to hear for years i was hoping it would be on democracy. Its my lucky number and the Brad Pitt film Seven is great so maybe the song can be one of my favourites too

It's not really a rumor is it? More like wishful thinking from some posters.


Even though Axl mentioned seeing the album as a double, we don't know when the other stuff will be released.






/jarmo

What happend to it being a 3 part album? or was that also rumour/wishful thinking?

I don't know what happened.


Let's assume there's enough material for three albums, but only two of them are part of the same "concept"....

That could be the case if there's three albums worth of material. Which isn't something I can comment on because I don't know....


/jarmo

- The thing about it being a trilogy was only a rumor a few years back.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1566 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1566)

"Jayme says the party eventually moved to Trucks? tour bus, where Rose produced a CD and previewed some of ?Chinese Democracy? -- which the singer said will be sold as a 3-disc collection."


- The thing about it being 4 albums worth of material was from Sebastian Bach's interviews. (Later Axl said he might have exagarated a bit).


- The thing about them having recorded 2 1/2 - 3 albums worth of material was from Axl's Eddie Trunk interview in 2006.

Ahhh so they have recorded that much material, but some might not make the cut  :peace:

I would like to thank our own Manets for taking the time to take my comments way out of context and managing to write a "news" story based on them.

Good job.

Maybe you can be a music journalist one day. I mean fiction writer....



Maybe next time you want to use me to try to validate your bullshit story, you could ask for a comment?  : ok:




/jarmo

Maybe you can be a music journalist one day. I mean fiction writer.... :rofl:


Jarmo dont waste your time trying to speak with him.... its like speakin with a 12 years old boy or worse. : ok:

not putting a time table on it, but sure there will be a new album eventually. band is too talented and are too much of a cohesive unit not to.

what id LOVE to see. and this is just me personally, so no one get all bent out of shape.

Id love to see Axl Release the rest of the CD sessions as a box set
take the 12-14 best songs left and make it a single album and also have whatever is left, plus alternate versions, B sides whatever in a boxset version.


and then work on a new album with the lineup he has right now.

The problem with this is that you (not you personally but just this mind set) think that you know better than the guy whose heart and soul went into every second of this album.

IMO, this is the same logic ... or should I say illogic ... behind someone leaking the songs.

We'd all love to hear the stuff that didn't make the final cut but, that being said, obviously there were reasons why the artist themselves decided that material wasn't right for this, or maybe any, moment in time.

It's the nature of the business to take X amount of material and whittle that down to what you want to put out there.

It is (or should be) their prerogative and no outside forces should dictate otherwise.

no, its not me or anyone else thinking we know better, just as fans, its something we would love to have. Cause most of the time, hardcore fans favorite songs are those unreleased tracks, B sides or non hits.

i know a band who did that, dug into their vaults and released like 4 CD's worth of unreleased b side stuff, and the first cd of unreleased stuff sounds like most bands greatest hits albums.

I'm sure the same would be true with a GNR release of the same nature.

I also don't agree with they didn't want to release it so we shouldn't hear it. I am sure Axl is very proud of everything he has recorded or he wouldn't have recorded it. some stuff just doesn't fit a certain album etc so it often gets left out due to time constraints of a CD etc.

a band like Pearl Jam comes to mind. think of all the classic stuff, no one would've ever heard if they thought like people of  your mindset.

i find it hard to imagine, Axl is even capable of writing a bad song cause from Appetite to CD ive yet to hear a single song i didn't like.

This is from Ron and might shed some light..

There are more songs that didn't go on this CD, right?


Yes, there were more songs.

Did you record it?


Yes, I play on them. Some songs had 10 years old, some when we were adding the final touches to the album. Maybe it will see the light of the day.

There's a rumor that Chinese Democracy was meant to be a trilogy


Haha, I heard that rumor too. The problem of a disc is that even if you have an initial plan, it will change with time, it happend with my solo discs. Maybe someday it was a trilogy, but I don't know nowadays.

You're fuckin joking, right?

If an artist doesn't want something released publicly for whatever reason THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE!!!

I'm sure there's stuff that the band recorded just to try out something new or different.  Doesn't mean they ever had any intentions of using it or releasing it.  Recording stuff is just another tool most artists use in honing their craft.  I'd bet 80% of material that's recorded is meant to be used by the artist for some purpose other than releasing it to the public. 

So I take it you won't be buying Jimi Hendrix's Valleys of Neptune?  :hihi:

How do U know they don't want to release it though? U are just assuming that since they didn't, it means they don't want to. U think Axl is bent out of shape because Shadow Of yOur love, Just Another Sunday etc are out there for people to hear?

Did u not hear Axl about his plan to release all of it when he was talking about his 3 album plan?

financially, an artist can only put so many songs on one album. so if they have 40 plus songs written and recorded, they can only put 14 on an album. Axl proved with UYI that he is proud of every single thing he records or else, UYI would've been a 14 song best of disc.


It baffles me how a fan can sit there and NOT want to hear what is left of the CD sessions.

Axl is a prolific musician and I would bet u everything, if the record labels weren't so fucked, Axl would be pumping albums out left and right.

They are being insincere.

Call it a pipe dream, but how great would it be for GN'R to drop a new LP before a US trek in late-Fall? The question I'm wondering about touring the US is would Axl want to continue touring Chinese Democracy as the main focal point or does he feel he's already done that (2002/2006)...

I think it would be cool for US fans to hear songs like Shacklers, If The World, Catcher, This I Love, etc. Not to say I wouldn't mind a new album though.  :drool:

Alright...looks like it's time to scrap the rest of the CD tour. Looks like it's no longer needed, as we're now in a heated argument about the next album.

Seriously guys..give it a rest. Don't be a bunch of spoiled little shits.

Being a musician, I've got a few hours worth of music, snippets, solo vocals, guitar work, demo's etc that the band has worked on at one time or another, and I can tell you first hand that this music is never meant to see the light of day. Most of it is a reference point for what you'll be doing down the road. I've got one song that's been done 6 different ways on guitar alone, just so we could all give it a listen, and tweak it over and over and over.

I bet Axl does in fact have a tonne of stuff he wants to release, when it's all finished.

And maybe, someday, we might see a GnR box set along the lines of the Beatles Anthology, but I'm pretty sure it won't be until long after Axl has finished giving us what's on his mind, and that could take a while.

So again, don't bitch, don't moan, try not to speculate too much, and enjoy what you have.

And if that's not enough, there's always a whole 9 seconds of Checkmate you could play forwards, then backwards, then dissect, then cover, the make up your own lyrics, then finally give up and just stop being a knob.

Oh...and hey Jarmo......sup bro.....have fun in Eurolandia

As a musician. there is a difference in having Snippets and having SONGS.. stuff that generally sucks or has no direction, usually doesn't get recorded.

It has been reported by Axl on Eddie Trunk and various other places that he has 3 albums worth of material and he was shuffling songs back and forth.

That doesn't sound like someone fucking around in their basement on a 4 track to me. Sounds like he has full fledged songs ready to be crafted and finished.

no one wants to hear doodling, but that isn't what is being said. whatever finished songs he has, we want to hear. demos, different versions etc.

Basically what u said in your 2nd line there is what I've been saying but yet somehow u go on to call me a knob when in fact u agreed with my entire posts.......... so ill let others judge who the knob really is on that one.

i think in a year we will start hearing info about a nre record

Yep thats what I think to. And with better promotion.


Joe

A new record?  It hasn't even been 2 years yet.  Let's give CD some time to get absorbed by the world.  I, personally, am still listening to the album with the same excitement I did when I bought it...couldn't even imagine the prospect of another album right now.

Bands always record extra songs when making albums.  Some songs make it to be b-sides...others just sit on the shelf indefinitely.  I remember Soundgarden used to record 30-40 songs when making their albums.  Billy Corgan admitted to recording over 150 songs when making Mellon Collie.

Maybe some of these songs will see the light of day eventually...but let the band decide when that time is.

How much time does an album need to marinade before it's been absorbed enough??  It's been out a year and a half, it's not really new any more.  That's not to say it's definitely time to release an album, but I don't understand how anyone could say that it's too soon, either. 

Purely speculative, but I think for a change we might see another album sooner that we would think, we'll see!!! 

I have to agree here with this speculation. Considering that the majority of the material had been floating around the 'net for years, the band would be well served with a release of completely new songs while they are on the road. For whatever reason, this did not happen last time.

But I can understand if Axl wants to soak up as much of the CD afterglow as he can before moving on to the next phase. As long as the song creation process continues, then fans will be richly rewarded at some point.

D, I would also be interested to hear what the CD sessions sounded like. With the parts originally recorded by May, Bucket, Brain,....etc. I think that kind of release would come in the distant future though.

"bigbri" posted this over at www.gnrevolution.com today.  The remix album is brought up again.

http://brainandmelissa.com/

Both Brain and Melissa had the foresight early on to drive their musical careers in more than one direction. Though they each have an impressive list of accomplishments in their own right, as a production team they are becoming a force to reckon with. These days the pair is involved in a plethora of composing, writing and scoring projects. This year alone they have already done two major game themes for Sony Playstation, several pieces of original music for Playstation home, and are also scoring a major Playstation series release set for February 2011. They have produced three Guns N’ Roses remixes from Chinese Democracy at the request of Axl Rose to be released on an upcoming remix album, and they have just come off scoring the E3 2010 Xbox media briefing convention for Microsoft. The duo has also done numerous film trailer pieces some of which can be heard on Casa Verdugo, the forthcoming media LP from Howling Entertainment. Currently, Brain and Melissa are gearing up for the release of the first volume of three avant-garde 5-disc sets they are doing collaboratively with Buckethead entitled “Best Regards.

I don't really see a new record anytime soon.

I think the Irving Azoff suit/countersuit probably puts a hold on putting a lot of money into production costs, when the Chinese Democracy album didn't exactly bring in a lot of revenue to the label.

I read this thread and I think of being a kid, on the 1000 mile drive to Disney World...all I wanted to think/talk aboot was 'Space Mountain' and the other crazy rides...as an adult I was amazed at what I had missed on the drive there.  Pick your heads up and take a look at what is here and now.  : ok:

vary good advice we got a bunch of other bands stuff to listen right now that are really fucking good!!!
Although I would also like to hear a new album of GN'R all the same.




Joe