Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-interviews/2010/04/21/guns-n-roses-legend-slash-i-ve-always-been-focused-about-my-music-it-s-the-down-time-that-s-the-problem-86908-22200908/ (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-interviews/2010/04/21/guns-n-roses-legend-slash-i-ve-always-been-focused-about-my-music-it-s-the-down-time-that-s-the-problem-86908-22200908/)

Incredibly, Slash reveals he considered even more controversial singers - his old enemy Axl Rose and king of pop Michael Jackson.

"Axl did cross my mind a couple times. Another one was Michael Jackson. I'm not sure if he might have done it because dealing with Michael is so complicated. So I just never pursued the idea.

"Then I was in the studio and I got that phone call that he was in a hospital. He wasn't even dead yet.

I think we know exactly the answer axl would of gave lol

I wonder why he would make that comment -- he probably has a better chance of still getting Michael Jackson.

hahah that's so wrong but true...

I think its a intersting comment but he never would be able to make it a reality.





Joe

Slash just said that Axl crossed his mind when pondering singers for his album, which is only natural.  I think people are misreading that as a serious contemplation of actually asking Axl to do it, which I seriously doubt Slash is naive enough to do.

Bridge you got it right!

+1



Joe

Bridge has it right, case closed.

Funny, I have caught myself imagining what By the Sword would've been like with Axl on vox. No offense to Stockdale who fucking elevates that song to new heights with his vox.

Do I really think Slash would "reach out" to Axl about singing on his album, no.  And without knowing exactly what question he was asked, but it does say...


And this is not the first time he has mentioned Axl when talking about singers on his album.

Pay close attention to who is speaking here...   It is the WRITER who says that Slash "considered" Axl.  Slash HIMSELF only says that Axl crossed his mind.  Another classic example of a writer misinterpreting what someone says, then printing it, only for fans to misinterpret it even further.

Pay close attention to what I posted...I said, without knowing what question Slash was asked, it's hard to interpret his answer.  Yes, the WRITER says "considered" but what if Slash was asked "did you consider Axl for the album."  ;)

Yeah, I gotcha chief.  But having enough experience with these kinds of things, I'd wager that the writer is being deceptive.  Usually, the writer asks a very vague question and then misconstrues the answer.

And if the writer DID ask Slash directly about considering Axl, I suspect Slash would've shot the question down more directly.  Slash's vague answer ("Axl crossed my mind") is very indicative of a vague question.

He has already commented in another interview about how he thinks Axl would sound singing on his album.

Really, you got a link?  id be interested in reading that.

TBH, these days you don't even need to be in the same country to record a song lol.  And Slash doesn't seem to have a huge problem with Axl so it wouldn't be too surprising to me that he considered Axl.

But Axl wouldnt do it cos he hates Slash and the album would of been huge had Axl and Slash collaborated

Axl crosses my mind everytime I listen to VR and of course when listening to this album. I just think how the songs would sound with Axl on vocals and lyrics. Awesome!!

I posted it a while ago, it's just a short comment where he said something about when making the record he thought about how great Axl would sound on some of the songs, it's here somewhere.

And?  That's just a rewording of the "Axl crossed my mind a couple times" statement.  So he thinks about Axl singing for him.  So what.  Like I said before, that's only natural, given the long professional relationship that they had together.  But the article (and the title of this thread) misleads people to believe that Slash actually seriously considered Axl to sing, something which is highly improbable.

Really? Considering slash has tried to get back in Guns in recent years and even went to Axl's house, I think it's highly probably that he was considering it.

^I doubt Slash was serious about asking Axl to sing on the album, considering Axl called him a cancer not too long ago. I don't think I'd go to too much effort y'know?

The title of the article is "Guns N' Roses legend Slash: I've always been focused about my music - it's the down-time that's the problem..", jacdaniel gave his take on it.  Like I said, without knowing what he's asked, it's hard to interpret his answer.

But Slash is talking in interviews about when he was making the record he thought about how Axl would sound on some songs and that he crossed his mind when considering singers. 

Axl said stuff about him in 2002 but he still went to Axl's house in 2005, so what's your point?

Yeah honestly in the last years Slash has seemed to be rather nice to Axl. Its something I think that could tell us that Slash honestly might have almost goten over all the shit but whos to say.





Joe

I don't actually know what Axl said in 2002, but I don't think it was as harsh as "a cancer". Was it? I actually don't know....

BlowUpYourVideo I cant say for sure but I think he did not directly call Slash a cancer but it is interprited thats what he ment.





Joe

Someone needs to ask him why he didn't place the call to axl to see if he'd do a song :hihi:

sure he considered it but so have all of us ;) he's the only one that could make it happen though

He did call Slash a cancer and said it would be better if nobody associated with him and that he shouldn't have been in GNR after the Lies album.  That was said in 2008 or 2009 i think from online chats.  Slash's mom was dying of actual cancer at that very time so by accident it was a poor choice of words.

What kind of paint thinner are you huffing?  Slash has never tried to return to Guns N Roses.  He went to Axl's house to attempt to resolve the legal issues between them, not to rejoin the band.



Axl did indeed say all those things, but it was in the Del James interview from February 2009.  These were Axl's exact words....

There is the distinct possibility that having his intentions in regard to me so deeply ingrained and his personal though guarded distaste for much of 'Appetite' other than his or Duff's playing, Slash either should not have been in Guns to begin with or should have left after 'Lies.'  In a nutshell, personally I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided -- and the less anyone heard of him or his supporters, the better.[/b]

SOURCE: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=168 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=168)

Sorry if the title was misleading guys :)  I just tried to take the parts i found interesting out of an otherwise standard interview.



I think he went to Axl's house mainly to try and repair their relationship in some way and sort out some legal issues.  Don't think he was trying to get back into GNR.

You're believing slash's version of the events? hahahahahahahahaha you must be the one huffing paint thinners.....

I guess you believe Slash went around to Axl's house with the intention of dropping to his knees and begging Axl to take him back?
Most people know by now that, like Jim Bob, you only post in this section with your own agenda.  (To make Slash look bad).

i think that they both respect each other very much as musicians.. remember the axl interview way back when the live era was released.. he talked about the "new" album.. and said it wasn't a traditional rock record because slash wasn't the guitarist.. i'm paraphrasing.. but it was something like that.. clearly neither of them could ever be in a band together.. but i think they both respect one another.. and wouldn't be shocked if they do some sort of colaberation at some point.. not an album or tour.. but one song.. or one gig..   i think most of the negative things that are said.. don't come from axl or slash..but the media spreading lies.. starting controversy ....

Or the media constantly asking questions bout a reunion, then twisting the response into a tasty headline.

Example:   Media:  Slash, Are you ever gonna reunite with Axl.
                 Slash:  I haven't spoken to Axl in 14 years but you never know whats gonna happen in life.

                 headline:  Slash says there might be a Guns N Roses reunion.

Ahh of course that must be it! It couldn't be that slash own friend (Marc Canter) said that slash would have fucked a snake in 2005 to get back in Guns. No that couldn't be it at all, it must be that I'm just trying to make slash "look bad," like he hasn't done enough on his own to make himself look bad.  ::)

I dont think axl respects slash as a guitar player or as a person, axl has such a hate for him, which i can't comment on because i dont know whats happend for that hate to be there, only slash n axl will know, im a fan of both parties but it is a shame they can't do something together as they do inspire eachother

i think if slash emailed or whatever axl for a song on this album, axl wouldnt have replyed for "legal reasons" or whatever and rant on about it on tour lol

I believe Marc made that comment saying Slash would have fucked a snake to get Perla off of his back. Perla wanted the reunion. Here is the quote;


The last time Slash went there was because his wife made him. Just before he did that he called me for Axl's phone number and when I said that I couldn't do that he said I know I know and then I herd Perla saying things to him. He said that he was sorry for asking and I could tell in his voice that he was being pushed into it. Also at that time Perla hated Duff and Slash was not getting along with Scott and Duff that well and was doing heavy drugs and lots of them that should have killed him. He was living in hell. He also started a big law suit about not getting paid for things from GNR and was drunk at the time of the visit. He could have easily said bad things about some of the guys in VR to Beta. At that point he would have fucked a snake to talk with Axl and if nothing else just to get Perla off his back. She was the one who wanted the reunion at that time. But then the whole thing backfired on Slash when Axl called the press. It could have cost him loosing VR and then he would have nothing.

Years latter Slash said it would be cool to go out and do some shows with the old band but now he has given up on that one. So I don't think he will be going to Axl's house anytime soon. I do hope somehow they and up in the same room together someday if nothing else just to get some shit off their chest. It's not healthy to hold that anger in because while you are holding it in you can't move on with your life because your too busy dealing with the anger. It's like holding a beach ball under water, you can do it but can't do anything else. I say let the ball go and then you can have your arms free. They both have things that need to be said to each other. Even if they never work together again they would still live better knowing they got all that shit off their chest. Maybe someday they will have to pull together for some kind of law suit against the record co. and then they might have to speck to each other?

O yeah thats right! I thought Slash was going to respond to that saying something like "Axl fuck you my mom is dieing of cancer you fuck head you dont play around with shit that fucks up peoples lives like that!!!"

At least thats what I would have done if it was me in Slash's place.





Joe

There you have it chinese blues.  Making up shit to disparage Slash.  I'm sure ol' Axhandle would be proud of you though.  Now if it's true that Rim Job learned to trash Slash in the according section and be absent from here, I'm sure you can too.  (I was wondering why Job was not around here bashing every single person who posted about Slash anymore!)

I guess you need to read that again, it clearly states that slash would have fucked a snake to get to talk to Axl about a reunion (doesn't matter if Perla was pushing him into it or not), he was still trying to get back in the band which is what I said.  : ok:

No it DOES NOT clearly state that!  It says "talk with Axl".

Keep on huffing, CB!

I'm fairly certain we are off topic at this point  : ok:

Read it again maybe it will become clear after this time!

I still to this day cannot go more then a few days without listening to Chinese Democracy. Chinese Democracy is inspired work. Maybe you mean Slash inspired Axl to write the song "Sorry." Clearly though, Axl's inspiration comes from greater places then Slash.

It's clear as day, slash would have done anything he could to get back in guns because that's what his wife wanted him to do. You slash fans really need to open your eyes.


Oh so he was just going to talk to Axl about what pants he wears then hey? 2 + 2 does not equal 3 you know.

Let me break it down into simpler terms so you can understand it:

Perla wants slash to rejoin Guns
Slash will do anything to get her off his back
Slash goes to Axl's house to try and get back in the band so Perla will leave him alone
Slash then LIES about even going there

How you guys couldn't figure that out on your own is very strange.

No, in your mind, it equals negative integers.  It's already been documented that Slash went to Axl's house to attempt to resolve the legal issues between them, NOT to rejoin Guns N Roses.

Besides, given the situation, the word "Reunion" could very easily mean (and probably did mean) between Slash and Axl, meaning the two men sitting down and talking to one another, NOT being bandmates again.  YOU, chineseblues, are misreading it, and it's obvious that you will continue to do so until you are chineseblue in the face.


It's cool that you like Axl's album, though I personally couldn't listen to the whole thing more than once, save two songs (the title track and "This I Love").  I do however agree that Axl is inspired by many other things than Slash or any of his former bandmates.  However, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Axl is indeed inspired by negative emotions resonating from that period of his life, since Axl writes everything out in song.  We know he correlated "November Rain" and "Estranged" to his bitter breakups with Stephanie and Erin, so it's not outlandish at all to suggest that at least SOME of what Axl wrote on Chinese Democracy could indeed be correlated to the bitter disintegration of his relationship with Slash, be it the song "Sorry" (which you acknowledged) or otherwise.

 

Do you really believe that?  after 10 years or so, you think he went around to Axl's house to rejoin Guns  :hihi:
He went around for legal issues and probably to try and probably to try and mend his relationship with Axl.

actually he would Canter said slash have fucked the snake to talk to axl; if nothing else, to get perla off his back

-if your gonna post inflammatory comments/quotes, at least quote it properly, rather than distort people's words to fit what you want them to say.  Otherwise, your no better then the media / press that axl hates so much.............at least we know where yor future lies :rofl:

Oh look the slash boys have come out to bash anyone who says anything bad about their hero yet again!

I really am starting to believe that Jim Bob just created a new account.  Why is it that being a fan of Slash's music has to equal to him being our hero?
Thats just fucking stupid.

Wow, I am patently ASTOUNDED by the eloquence, logic, and sensibility found in this reply!  And so intimidated too!  PLEASE, oh PLEASE chineseblueballs, don't smite me again!  I am so humbled by the wisdom found in statements that contain the words "slash boys"!  You should've added a little  :rofl: to your posts, that way I would REALLY know you were high on the pedestal, looking down upon such a common, nickel and dime peon like myself!

So chineseblue, have you gotten that degree from Harvard yet, or do they first require you to graduate 3rd grade?

Yep yep, you know you have showed their hero for what he is when all they can do is call you names and insult you're intelligence. Gotta love the slash boys.  ::)



When you guys finally open your eyes and see slash for who he really is, then we can continue this conversation. I have already proven what I originally said so I have nothing else to say.

not really, just making a point that you totally took Canter's quote out of context in order to prove a point that you think to be true; rather than what Canter actually said

did I bash you or just summarize the facts and provide a bit of free career advise?

the only thing you've proven is you can't read; but you can distort quotes just as well as Axl's favorite media/press outlets....

other than that, what points id you make?

all's slash is a guitarist

When dealing with issues like this at times I dont know what to believe.




Joe

I never took Marc's quote out of context at all. As I originally said, Marc said slash would have fucked a snake to get to talk to Axl. The fact that Perla was pushing him into it doesn't change the fact that slash still went ahead and tried to talk to Axl. Something you people refuse to acknowledge.

don't backtrack when your called out on something, especially when the proof is on the same page

the exact words were"Ahh of course that must be it! It couldn't be that slash own friend (Marc Canter) said that slash would have fucked a snake in 2005 to get back in Guns. No that couldn't be it at all, it must be that I'm just trying to make slash "look bad," like he hasn't done enough on his own to make himself look bad." 

not, as you claim"Marc said slash would have fucked a snake to get to talk to Axl. "

face it, you just as bad as the press/media axl loves too hate

do you even know what it means to take a quote out of context? b/c you seem to make a habit out of it yet seem unaware of it

Because it makes you seem like a bigger fan of him than you are. :D

And you don't think slash was trying to get back in Guns? Please, there is no reason why Perla would be after him to talk to Axl if it wasn't to get back in the band. She obviously don't care about lawsuits. Take your blinders off.

Someone that cannot read a direct quote and take it a face value is the one with blinders on. Or were you there? Or maybe you have a personal relationship with the people involved that you have not told us about. You seem to know what everyone was thinking at the time and can make all these judgements.

just because that's your interpration of why slash went over there; doesn't make it true

personally I could give a fuck why slash went over to axl's house as it has no bearing on my life whatesover

Ufff.. Only..

Blah, Blah, Blah.. Interesing __ NOT.

 

She might not care about lawsuits, but i bet she did care when the royalties stopped coming.  Hence, they went over to Axl's house to sort out some issues.  and probably to try and mend their friendship.

It would make Slash really stupid if he thought he could just go around to the house and instantly be back in GNR, wouldnt you agree?

Well, he essentially accused Axl of stealing $100,000 in royalties from him.. I'm sure Axl could find that under a couch cushion if he really had to.

not quite, he stopped receiving royalty checks.....when you are in a situation like they were in, lawyers are the only way to go

not sure if you were ever expecting large sums of money at regular intervals and suddenly stopped receiving them but if I was in the same or a similar situation, you bet I'd have my lawyer banging on his door demanding payment

One would think the publishing company in charge of dispersing royalties would be the party best suited for Slash to sick his lawyers on, and not Axl.

Maybe if he wasn't higher than a kite on pills he would have realized it was ASCAP who made the mistake and it had nothing to do with Axl at all (which is why the lawsuit was dropped).

like I said, who really cares as it has no bearing on any of our lives - axl's a big boy, he can have his lawyers handle these things - but you can't say Axl is GNR and then when former members are not getting paid on work they wrote and played on - get all hot and bothered when they file suit to recover said money - it goes with the territory - $100K is nothing to sneeze at

When the reason they are not getting their money has nothing to do with Axl then yes people can be bothered about the lawsuit or think its a shitty thing for them to do.

Well, evidently you do or you wouldn't have bothered to quote me.


Exactly. What oldgunsfan is desperately trying to do is establish a false dilemma:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma)

Yeah but dont forget he was part of GN'R and that is kinda a big reason we are all here :hihi:




Joe

Slash and Duff had to file a lawsuit to find out about said Royalties.. it isn't like they had any knowledge of ASCAP. didn't Axl change the publishing company or something?

People act like they were trying to bankrupt him. when a party refuses to speak to u, u have to go through attorneys to get info. it isn't like Slash had the capabilities to just call Axl up and say, Hey are u getting royalties? what's goin on?

so everyone stop acting like giant mother hen's like SLash was out to get Axl or something.


If i got 100k every quarter and all of a sudden it stopped for no reason, u are damned right i am going to do whatever it takes to find out what happened.

Axl changed HIS publishing company not theirs.

They had to file a lawsuit against Axl to find out where their money is? Are you serious? They could have called up ASCAP and asked them why they were not getting royalties. Problem would have been solved with 1 sing phone call, but no they automatically assume it is Axl's fault and go after him.

You really need to take the blinders off for this one dude, that lawsuit was ridiculous and everyone knows it.

Maybe Axl became a registered accountant, and we just don't know about it.

Point is, we don't know their mindsets, what they were told etc. couple that with their relationship with Axl, and maybe they just assumed the worst.

So your finally admitting they had no business suing Axl over this as it had nothing to do with him at all?

Are we all sure 110% what he was suing for because according to the court information it was

"Intellectual Property - Copyrights" , which makes me think about the access to Guns master tracks and such that Slash isn't allowed to have.

For the record he sued Axl is 2005 about all of this and THEN in 2007 he sued Sanctuary Music ( with Duff ) for the same thing.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-cacdce/case_no-2:2005cv06028/case_id-177159/

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-cacdce/case_no-2:2007cv04894/case_id-393220/

no, im saying we don't know Slash's mindset or what he thought was going on.

to him, he probably didn't trust Axl and feared that since Axl owned the GNR name, maybe he thought Axl was trying to cut them out of their shares once the checks didn't arrive. did Axl not transfer the publishing to Sanctuary though without their knowledge or am i misremembering?

point is, say u and i are partners.. if i don't receive something etc, i can pick up the phone and call u and ask, "Hey, whats going on, i didn't receive my check, did u get yours and what is going on?"

with their situation, He doesn't have the option to call Axl cause they aren't speaking, so they communicate through attorneys.

so suing someone to all of us who grew up watching tv and movies etc is like this real evil terrible word, when in reality, it was a means to find out what was going on.

I thought those lawsuits had to deal with Axl turning down lucrative offers from Movie soundtracks etc without the knowledge or approval of Duff and Slash?

Again Axl only sold HIS portion of the publishing to Sanctuary, you should know this stuff D. Slash's mindset doesn't matter in this regard. He had no business suing Axl for something that had NOTHING to do with him in the first place. Like I said before, all he had to do was call ASCAP to find out where his money is not Axl.

We don't know the details of lawsuits. unless you have legal documents, probably best not to discuss them

The documents were posted in the original thread discussing this lawsuit. Slash and Duff sued Axl because they claimed he was stealing their royalties when it was a clerical made by ASCAP. Those are FACTS, you cannot dispute them.

To maintain systematic denial, we just better not discuss them :hihi:

Im not saying they were right or wrong. Once they found out the truth they are wrong but my point is, they didn't know it was a clerical error, therefore they sued to find out what happened.

It isn't like they sued him for 100 million and all of his belongings. They sued to find out what was going on with the royalty situation.

U are judging it in hindsight which u can't do because u don't know what they were told in regards to the situation.

they heard Axl sold his shares but once they didn't receive theirs, maybe they thought all of it got sold?

people tend to expect the worst especially when it comes to money.

Again all of it would have been solved with a simple phone call to ASCAP. I know if I didn't get money owed to me I would sure as hell call the people who are responsible for sending me the money not file a lawsuit against someone who had nothing to do with it in the first place. Then again I'm not a junkie.....

Or where in Guns N Roses? Or know Axl Rose personally for years? or possibly lost millions of dollars?

A ) Slash gets money

B ) Axl switches the company

C ) Slash gets no money

D ) WTF

It's pretty obvious where the issue happened? and Axl couldn't be civil enough to have discussions so they sued and let their lawyers deal with it. Besides even if Axl took the money half the board would have some justification for it. In fact I've never seen someone has an issue with ANY choice Axl did. The braids and jersey? oh he's original and unique? His horrible voice pre '06 ; oh so what he's Axl Rose its GNR. Slash does GH SELL OUT , Axl does GTA ; cool career move.

EDIT : which is not to say that some Slash fans will do the SAME thing about all his career moves. Blind allegiance is really disturbing and quite frankly pathetic.

very well said!

Again you guys are looking for something where there isn't anything. Axl switched HIS publishing company, NOT their's. It's not his fault or problem that ASCAP made an error and slash and duff did not get their money. Jesus you people are making it out like Axl is the reason that anything bad happens with slash when IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM AT ALL!! Get it through your heads. It was a bogus lawsuit that never should have been filed and could have easily been cleared up if slash would have called the people he was expecting money from. That's it, nothing more nothing less.

Very well said.  its crazy that some people find Axl faultless in all situations.  (not this one, just in general though)

my point is, u are judging it after the fact. Its easy to sit and say he should've done this or that after the resolution.

its like losing all of your money gambling and saying "damn, i should've picked this team"


u cant judge shit in hindsight because as pointed out above, when u stop receiving your money, u don't always think the most rational shit.

people think aw, whats a hundred grand to Slash... trust me, 100 grand or whatever it is, def worth getting up and arms about

yes.....ASCAP is to blame for all GUNS N' ROSES-related publishing royalties being sent to the singer, thereby bypassing the band's other partners, Slash and Duff McKagan (at least for the first quarter of 2005). BUT this problem occured right after Axl decided to sell his publishing rights. he isnt responsible for the ASCAP mistake but somehow accidently made the 1st move for that***. and its not like Axl has found out himself about the first quarter $$ check problem and called or let call Slash/Duff fast either to inform them, ya know? hard to do it justice when there isnt any cool communication.

You still don't get it. It's like if you were on unemployment and you were waiting for your money from the government but you didn't get. You don't then go after your former boss about the money you go after the people who owe the money to you. That's as simple as it is. I don't care how bad of a relationship they have with Axl, it still had nothing to do with him.

sorry dude, not the same thing

they heard axl sold his publishing

they don't get their check and right or wrong, they automatically assume Axl did something with theirs.


once again, is it really technically a lawsuit if u don't go to court?

resolution was reached, lawsuit dropped.. no biggie.

this is the only post in this thread that makes sense, it shoulda been over when bridge posted the above :hihi:


suing this suing that, yada yada

They filed legal papers and there was court dates etc. So yes it was a lawsuit and yes it was wrong to file it.

there was some analogue kind of problem with Robert John where Axl bought pics from him but Merck didnt pay Robert for ages and communication from both sides were about zero. so Robert didnt have any legal chance to get the money without fullfilling a lawsuit which he then did. so its not like there havent been problems inside Axl's camp regarding money issues.

The biggest and only problem I have with Axl is the kilt. It just makes me feel unconfortable that it resembles a skirt to much!

As for Slash my problem with him is that he works with some people that makes him and his fans look kinda bad like Furgie. (We all know she just wants Slash though)


Yet I am still real big fans of both of them. You just need to listen to the music and thats honestly what I think Slash was thinking about when he thought of Axl in "Slash"




Joe