Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Hello,

A large group of fans started a campaign to ask Axl and the band, to play Estranged during this tour ... hope you understand why  ;)

This campaign consists of the following actions:

1) To send msg's to GN'R's twitter, with the sentence: "WE WANT ESTRANGED"
2) To take to the shows, wallpapers with the following sentence: "WE WANT ESTRANGED"
3) To sign this petition http://www.petitiononline.com/GNRLIVE/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/GNRLIVE/petition.html) (God knows why  :hihi: )

It's already happening...

 :peace:

Do you think No.58 is the real Dexter?

"58.   Dexter    We will play some surprises coming up shortly, stay tuned !"

Hmm....interesting. It is my thought that Ron teased audiences with a Dont Cry snippet in 2006-7 and every now and then they tease Estranged. Seems to me that more surprises are possible.

Would be cool if they did, they just have to do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYi0lqiE64E

So do you think DJ couldn't play this?  :hihi:

He'd love this

Signed.

I put "WE WANT ESTRANGED....And Civil War too!"  :hihi:

Tweet it  :beer:

good luck.

they are still not burger king, those who get that, get that

I hope for the best as it is one of, if not the greatest GNR songs ever written.  That said, I try to remember that this song was only played a handful of times during the UYI tour so the odds of it being played regularly, even once during this tour is somewhat wishful thinking. 

It would be curious to have a list of songs the band rehearsed before they went on tour.  I know the number 40 was thrown around by DJ.  It's a shame they overlook the UYI albums (if one doesn't count the two covers) since there is so much great material on those albums. 

Anyway, I'd love it if GNR incorporated Estranged into their regular setlist.  It's one of the top songs I get asked about by my friends when they ask which songs are played at the concerts I've attended.  My guess is that Axl might bring it back once he gets a little bored playing the same songs throughout the year.  I wish you good luck but I'm inclined to believe Estranged will be played due to internal wishes and not outside pressure.

Cheers,

Andrew

do it !  : ok:

I saw them perform it live way back in 91' at wembley. Even though it was before the illusions were out it went down a storm. Hope they play it again

Now that was one hell of a show!! True the Estranged performance went down a storm!!

Mike

Something like this won't make the band play Estranged. They haven't even rehearsed it, so how could they play a complex song like that?

I'll surely help but...

I wanted so much they did Estranged in Beag?..  :'(

The fact that it hasn't been  played at all since the old Gnr dissolved, has only made the demand to hear this song again increase

This is one song that would blow the roof off the venue if they either opened up with it or whipped it out for an encore

fingers crossed that it makes it's way back among the set-list

They probably dont know how to play Estranged or Don't Cry properly and thats why they havent played it in its original version

I'm sure if the band wanted to play a different arrangement they would have done so.

Why demanding something on the setlist? There's plenty of awesome songs already...

Well ... this has been a fantastic tour ...

... but today, a show is not only aimed at those who are attending on the site. Thousands of fans around the world follow these shows in real time, over the internet ... and this is part of the spectacle itself.

... you have to agree that after about 30 shows ... enthusiasm is not the same for those who are out of place of the show ... innovation is part of the development of humanity and lately there has been no breakthrough in these setlists.

Furthermore it is almost a "crime" to not play some epic songs, least occasionally.

Just think about how exciting it was, when they played almost all ChD tracks in Tokio, when nobody was expecting that...

Anyway ... maybe I'm beeing just too hard with the best band in the world  :peace:

They are all professional musicians and they can do it with a little bit of extra rehearsaling.

I just think that some fans doesn't trust on new member's skills...  :hihi:

it's not as if estranged is the usual 4 minute verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus song

You can't be serious! A show is meant for the people there at the venue seeing the band in person (unless it's being broadcast which none have). So the argument about people following online is ludicrous, . I believe there was this same argument in  2006 and I believe Tommy said something along the lines of "This isn't Burger King, it isn't have it your own way".

It would be cool if they did play the song, but since I'm not at the shows I don't care what they play as long as they have a good show and nothing goes wrong.

Don't you forget that those who are following the show, today, on the internet, tomorrow will be attending on stadium...

About the burger king, thing ... well ... the band is free to play whatever they wants ... and we are free to ask whatever we want ...

Everything will be fine as long as the freedom of each one remains  untouched

 :peace:

You are insane.

You think the internet fans are bigger (in numbers) than "usual" fans?

I've been told this before  :hihi:


i have no idea ...

But it seems to me that the two concepts are mixed ...

I file this in the "It can't hurt to ask" category.

True ... but, there are people who take things too seriously  :hihi:

There are no such things as stupid questions, but .... JK

Estranged is one of their best songs ever and you don't need me to point out to you that there were so few performances of that song.

Yeah there are awesome songs already on the setlist (it's GN'R) but I would love to see them mix it up a little more.

The setlist is something very difficult. My first GNR concert was Bogot?, March 30th, 2010. I loved to listen each songs they played. I don?t care if they played almost the same songs as Caracas because I wasn?t in Caracas. I would like to hear all the GNR songs include TSI songs but I am very happy to hear, for the first time, the songs in the setlist. Anyway, I love to follow the tour, like Jarmo, and I never get bored of listening thes songs.  :love:

I... TAY, NC, etc, etc...

Love The Idea/Thread!! 8) :yes:

I dont know if that would be big on Axl's priorities list , but he love the enthusiasm  :beer:

but man i wish i could here  that song live one more time in my lifetime  :'(

good luck guys

True. But Estranged was so beautiful, haha. However, I think they should play TIL and Prostitute instead of adding an old song

Estranged is one of my favourites songs ever... and I love Civil War too, and other songs from UYI.. and sure, I'd love to hear some of them played live...

but, there is a new album, new music.. music I love.. but some of these new songs are not often played... Prostitute, Scraped, CITR, TWAT... these songs should be played, in the Chinese Democracy Tour

by the way, good luck for this campaign

It's the same thing as 2006, and you don't need me to point out how demanding a setlist for a gig you're not even attending doesn't make sense. They ARE mixing the setlist, anyways.

When you're there, you can be sure you'll have an awesome performance, regardless of what songs they play.

BTW, my "stupid question" was rethoric, I didn't really want anyone to answer what is obvious to me.

This topic deserves a big FACEPALM...
Lamest topic EVER!

Almost as lame as commenting on it when you think it's lame?

Requesting a band to play a song=lame  ::)

It doesn't mean that people are not happy with what they hear...it is just a certain liking to a whole other song. Is that so fucking outrageous?

I was lucky to hear Estranged 3 times live (once for the video). I will never forget each time. The first time I didn't catch the title when Axl introduced it and it sent shivers up my spine.

As for anyone saying the new group can't play the song, that is just retarded. This band is better than the old, no doubt and I'm an ol fucker from way back! 

Do you want them to play Estranged?

THAT would be awesome.But could be anyone.

... or in the "It doesn't pay to try" category  ;D

Some people say this is too lame or just stupid ... i'd say it's such lame and stupid as asking for one more song in the end of the show ... when people like the show, they ask for more... it's normal and it's part of this business ... it's not a crime to ask for it ... but it's almost a "crime" do not play some epic songs, like Estranged, Civil War, and others, at least, once in a while.

I hope the ones who think this is lame or stupid, have found that the setlist from the last concert in Rio was exciting enough and revealing the full capability of this band.

Peace  :peace:

actually i dont know if this happens with other bands.(everybody waiting for one song to be played).Only maiden with Alexander the great but its differnet Alexander is not a classic of iron maiden.And Estranged is one of the most important songs of GNR.its like iron maiden wasnt playing the trooper in 18 years!

I don't want to request a song - the band will make its mind up - however i think it would be f*cking cool if they threw in a crazy fast one - right next door to hell, perfect crime or garden of eden just to tear things up

I don't think they will ever play Estranged again. Or Dead Horse, Locomotive, Coma or Civil War, for that matter. Unfortunately I doubt a petition would change that. They will play Estranged (and Illusion songs) if they feel like it, and obviously they don't. They still play great shows though.

I guess the songs could eventually be played again. They even rehearsed Perfect Crime back in 2006, so why not?


I love the song. If they ever play it again, of course I would be happy. But that doesn't make me demand for it.

Im like the number 1 fan of Riad. I always wanted to hear the song live (since the first time I heard it, in January 2001). Still, do I need to whine about it and start a petition (yes, I know very few would sign it) demanding it?

Whether you view it as a demand or a request seems to be a matter of perspective. It's generally acknowledged as one of his best songs. Why wouldn't people want to hear it? I don't see how it's insulting to say "we really like one of your songs, please play it."

aaaaahhhh....a setlist topic  ;)

Axl 12/2008 quote about playing some other illusion songs at live shows:

Axl: "Estranged and Civil War probably somewhere."

and we've had "Perfect Crime" on that setlist-pic from their official site(or what was it again?), so actually there must have been some interest in playing those 3 songs live, huh?


i have to agree with "GUNNER" on this one.
for now no big surprises since the asia09 shows, not even a  Baz duet - though he is on tour aswell. there is no harm in more unpredictable setlists, its more of a win-win situation for the fans and band members, too!

Or "yeah, I don't really care about the new album, just get me even more of the old stuff".

I never had a chance to see the band live before. When I see them last month, I was blown away with songs like KOHD, YCBM, IRS and Madagascar. Mind you, I've been listening to some of those performed live by the new band since 2001 in bootlegs. Still, it's nothing like when you're there.

Also, I'm sure it was the first time for the majority of people there in S?o Paulo. My point is: the band rehearsed and set up a show already with some options. They worked on that for a long time before the Asian tour and still are presenting it to the world.

i hear you, BUT (speculating)....i'm very sure you and basically every 1st-time-attender would have been blown away by "civil war", "estranged" and others, too!

Not so sure about that.

Have we heard any of those 3 songs live or any "surprise" songs from the Illusions since Las Vegas 2001? No. Except Don't Cry, and not in a "full" version with the whole band.

When it comes to "special" songs, they chose something like Down On The Farm, Whole Lotta Rosie, covers by Tommy or some "rare" songs from Chinese Democracy: There Was A Time, Prostitute or Catcher In The Rye.

About Illusions songs, I especially remember this quote from Axl (Dec. 2008):

"fan:
Axl.
What is Brains status? Can you bring back Breakdown or Dead Horse to the set? Thanks
Your music means more to me than I could ever express.

axl:
I think he's doing alright. Maybe I should check. On the songs maybe, more interested in the newer now. And thank you, means a lot"

It doesn't sound like someone who has so much "interest" for playing these songs. He's basically saying he'd play songs like There Was A Time or Catcher In The Rye, rather than Breakdown or Dead Horse. A lot of fans would like to hear them, but that's just the way it is...

In the end, the band decides whatever they want to play, it's cool that fans request songs, but in 9 years they haven't played any of these songs live. I think it'd be interesting to know why Axl isn't a big fan of the Illusions songs though. I'm sure Estranged or Civil War would sound great with the new band. :)

Will, my point regarding Perfect Crime, Estranged and Civil War was [not so much the fans' "request" but] that it appears even Axl and band have considered playing them live because PCrime was on that setlist-pic and Axl talked about the other two, Estranged even twice (1st time see quote above):

Axl 12/2008: "I?d like to do Estranged at some point but there?s no plans."

and lets not forget Bumbles Estranged-solo teaser......and also that his dont cry-guitar version'06 somehow ended up in returning the song to the setlist here and there more later.

in general i agree that the lack of illusion songs is some weird (DC, NR and YCBM are even coming from AFD-era, LALD + KOHD being covers)!

They don't need to stop playing new songs in order to play an old one, once in a while ... there are so many jams in the set ... the show can lasts 2 or 3 hours .. I am sure that if they wanted to include an old song, they would find a good way to do it without harming the show and without changing the set of new songs.


They hadn't twitter at that time ...  :hihi:


I trust in the new band to play any GN'R song...

It would be great if this campaign resulted in, at least, one comment from Axl about this subject ... at least one: "Fuck You"  :hihi:

I would love for this song to be played live by the new band. This song is really special to me, and it has got me through many bad times. Also bear in mind, this song will sound more cleaner if performed by the new band as there are 3 guitarists. I'm sure, just like many GN'R songs, there are more than just 2 guitar parts arranged. So the new band will sound amazing doing this live today as having 3 guitarists lets you duplicate the album sound more.

This song is special to all GN'R fans, and I'm hopefull that we will get to hear this beauty eventually.  :drool:

I'd agree that the song is special and should be played again, but I disagree that it would sound cleaner. Listening to this year's bootlegs/videos, I don't often get the feeling that the songs sound any cleaner than they have in the past........ that being said, I'd still like to hear them take a shot

Believe me, it would sound more fuller and cleaner, because of the fact you have 3 guitarists instead of 2.

This is true with all GN'R songs too.

You can't honestly say to me that Welcome to the jungle in 92/93 sounds just as rich and full as the new band played it, like for instance Rock AM Ring in 2006, Germany.

Besides that "3 guitars" question ... I have to say that Axl's voice is more mature in nowadays ... it would fit perfectly in this song ...  : ok:

People who say things like "you shouldn't request songs, the band will play whatever they want", are missing the point.  It's an honor to a certain song and to the band when songs get requested.  It doesn't mean that people are "upset" with the setlist, it just means they really like that particular song.  

There is absolutely nothing wrong with requesting a song, as the band can simply take it in, and then go on to play whatever it is they want.  

Me personally, I would like to hear the majority of the new songs at a concert.  Then, of the old stuff.....WTTJ, It's So Easy, Rocket Queen, Knocking On Heavens Door, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child, Paradise City, Don't Cry, Civil War, and definitely Estranged!!!

I'm more interested in the band promoting the new stuff, playing the new songs that THEY have written whilst playing the popular songs like NR, SCOM etc.  People here seem to forget that most of the people at these gigs don't post here, so know little about the new band.  They haven't heard the new stuff live.

Yeah, Estranged would be great but hearing Catcher or TWAT is also great.  This is the Chinese Democracy World Tour.

You're right ... beeing on ChD WT and not to play some epics like Estranged, it's the same than beeing on UIY WT and not to play WTTJ or SCOM  :peace:

then why not play more then 5-6 songs off CD?

Because then people will moan that the likes of Jungle, SCOM, PC are not played. 

damn your right. Fieldsy your so smart  ;D

In Tokio they played almost all ChD songs... and they played that AFD songs ... can't understand that logic ... :confused:

Because they were doing a 4 date tour and it was obvious that they set out to try and beat a record of playing for a certain time.  To play for over 3 hours at the intensity the band do takes a hell of a lot of energy and skill.  No way could they continually do that over a 10+ date tour.

Maybe they decided to do that amount of songs because it felt right at the time?  Maybe it was because they started earlier (Asia shows tend to start early evening) and had more time to do so?  Maybe Axl's voice felt good to go on and on?  Who knows?  All is said and done, GNR continually pull off a 2 and a half hour show minimum.  There's not many bands that do that out there.

One of the things about giving poeple something is that they will always expect more.  Personally I am just happy that they are touring the album, playing well and having fun. 

They tour = people moan they don't pay Estranged.
They play 3 and a half hours = people moan they didn't at the show they went to

Sorry but, saying that, it seems like you are including Estranged in the "ordinary" category ...

I did not bring Estranged for this campaign just because it is my favorite song. I did it, beacause i have noted, everywhere, that this is the music that brings more consensus among fans.

I'm really enjoying this tour ... but, it's not a crime to ask for more... my horizon line is farther than 10 feet from me  :hihi:

Hoping to hear Estranged one night instead of Patience is nothing to apologize for. No one is suggesting less CD songs either...just nothing more than mixing and matching - it's all good, to be honest

People aren't moaning!  There simply requesting a song.  I too, want lots of Chinese songs, but that still leaves plenty of room (7-10), for others. 



My dream setlist...

Chinese Democracy
Scraped
Welcome To The Jungle
If The World
Sorry
Rocket Queen
Hair Of The Dog
Double Talkin Jive
This I Love
Used To Love Her
Better
You Could Be Mine
Civil War
Sweet Child O'Mine
Don't Cry
I.R.S.
Knockin On Heavens Door
There Was A Time

Encore

Shacklers Revenge
Estranged
Your Crazy (Lies Version)
Paradise City

I know everyone is not moaning but I was making the point that it isn't as easy to just say 'lets just through Estranged in there somewhere'.

Putting on the show (as seen by Jarmo's great thread about the guitar tech) means a lot of work for different people - the band, crew etc.  Certain songs have pyros, certain lighting is used for other songs.  It would appear that just like the Illusion tour, the band have a group of songs that they pick from every night.  Certain songs like Sorry, Better, CD, Jungle, PC are mainstayers.  Songs like TWAT, Cathcer, OTGM are included if the mood or vibe is right.  It would be wonderful if the band were able to include EVERY GNR song that has ever been written in that grouping but it is an unrealistic expectation.

Who knows?  Maybe in 6 months at a different leg, Estranged may be included.  But for now, the band are concentrating the setlist on CD and Appetite.

Maybe in 6 month i'll get what i'm asking for, right now ... that's why i don't give up ...  got to be positive   :beer:

maybe at the leeds/reading fest.....just like they played 'used to love her' at donny  :smoking:

 nobody expected it to be played, but it fitted in perfectly  : ok:

I understand everyones views in this thread.

But I have to say, there is no harm whatsover to wish for a particular song to be played even when the present tour is to promote the latest album. And bare in mind it's not just any song, most GN'R fans consider estranged to be really special to them. I'm sure Axl realises that the fans want to hear this song, and I'm sure he will do it live again at some point, but only when he's ready and feels it's time to perform it, just like Don't Cry.

If it's never played live again, I will respect that, as only Axl can decide if he wants to do it.

But I think, there's no harm at all to wish for it, it is an amazing song.  :love:

This really sums it up perfectly : ok:

it can't hurt to try the magic word... PLEASE play estranged soon  :beer:

I hope they will play Estranged next time I will see Gunners live, because it is one of my favourite Gunner songs, I have never seen it live and it has a special meaning to my wife and me.

But I am not gonna die if they don't. I will be just very fuckin' happy to see Gunners live again (getting a bit impatcienced about the European tour here  :nervous:)

I'm sure that the band will being to vary their setlist in the future. I for one would like to see more new stuff for sure, as someone stated this IS the CD WT. But they're smart enough to know if they fail to play certain songs they'll hear it from the fans. I think it's fairly obvious for awhile we may not be seeing Estranged, but I'm sure it will see the light of day. I honestly think Axl is very fond of the song, than again wtf do I know about Axl Rose  :hihi:

i want PRETTY TIED UP !!!!

EverythingZen:
http://twitter.com/EverythingZen/status/11795849917

4tus:
http://twitter.com/richardfortus/status/11795920831


EverythingZen:
http://twitter.com/EverythingZen/status/11796019213

4tus:
http://twitter.com/richardfortus/status/11796138162

 :peace:

So, you're going to do the same topic in all GN'R forums?

not in all ... just as many as i can  :hihi:

i would thank if you could do it in some others  :beer:

No, thanks.

"the man knows all"   : ok:

guess time will tell on this one  :peace:

Just want to say that I?m happy that it finally happened? even though with a delay.

Thanks to all who participated in the 2010 and 2011 campaigns. The truth is, throughout this time, the desire of listening again to this song has become so evident to the fans, that there was no way to deny it.

I cannot help but saying to the disbelievers, who said this band was not able to play Estranged or that Axl could no longer sing it, after all ... you were wrong.

The band was flawless, despite having rehearsed 2 or 3 times only... Axl had perhaps the best performance of the concert with this song, even though he didn?t sing it in public for 18 years and, being the first gig of this tour, he was completely focused and impeccable.

Now don?t drop this song and continue ... It?s guaranteed success.

Long Live to GN'R \m/

(http://www.gunsnrosesportugal.com/forum/Smileys/default/mamon.gif)

^totally agree. They should play it more..and more and more and more and more!!!!  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

The more they play it, the better they get at it and more live versions will surface on the bootleg circuit.  :beer:

Congratulations! It worked!




/jarmo

Thanks ;)

actually Estranged was played nightly as the encore before Paradise City during the UTI Tour..
I think it's cool to ask for this on a petitin, but please keep it to Estranged N' don't add another song..

Hopefully this stays in the set.. def the highlight for me.

Sometimes people whine about GN'R being "disrespectful" with the fans. But this time, we ask for it and they give it to us.

 : ok: Not only did it work, but it was mind-blowingly on point.

I tried to post on this board when Estranged came on and there was 37 new posts.  I think it took me 5 times before I could post, there was so many people posting.  :hihi:

Don't add another song?! Keep the UYI songs coming.The band have a good back catalog of tunes and fans (hardcore/casual) want to hear them. I don't mind seeing Dizzy fuckin' Reed rocking out to "Yesterday" on the piano!

Thanks GnR for Estranged! for much years I  thought that they be played, today is a dream complete. This song also "civil war" are the only that always I wanted hear of Illusions.

Totally agree! :) "Dead Horse" would be veeeery nice too. ;D