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Title: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: HBK on March 31, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4338/ec31pespectaculo.jpg) (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/ec31pespectaculo.jpg/)

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7527/25898361841159392269210.jpg) (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/25898361841159392269210.jpg/)

http://www.elcomercio.com/noticiaEC.asp?id_noticia=343262&id_seccion=329


Setlist
Chinese Democracy, Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Sorry, Better, Richard Fortus Guitar Solo (James Bond Theme), Live And Let Die, If The World, Rocket Queen, band introductions, Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)/Street Of Dreams, You Could Be Mine, Dj Ashba Guitar Solo/Sweet Child O' Mine, Jam (Another Brick In The Wall: Part 2)/Axl Piano Solo (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road/Someone Saved My Life Tonight)/November Rain/Gran Torino, Bumblefoot Guitar Solo (Pink Panther), Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Out Ta Get Me, Jam, Nightrain

Encore: Madagascar, Paradise City


Bbf has a rose on his guitar during some songs

Bbf wears a flag for his solo

BBF places the flag on richs shoulders during kohd


Dj in pit for nightrain


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: One.In.A.Million on April 01, 2010, 09:08:05 AM
Everybody who is attending have a brilliant time.  ;)

It almost sounds wierd when I say GN'R are playing Ecuador, Axl's really treating the South American fans this time around.


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: HBK on April 01, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
Good people, 22.000 Tickets Sales. GN'R Play:

SAINT FRIDAY IN ECUADOR

 :peace:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 07:45:30 PM
People are pouring in.... No bands on yet.




/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Tatiana on April 01, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
Quito!

Have a great time!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 08:40:36 PM
First opening act is on...



/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 08:53:00 PM
They're doing rock covers right now... Bohemian Rhapsody followed by Back In Black.




/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Guifris on April 01, 2010, 08:55:11 PM
They're doing rock covers right now... Bohemian Rhapsody followed by Back In Black.




/jarmo

Doing updates tonight, Jarmo?


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 08:56:56 PM
I don't think the wifi will reach that far....

I'll take notes and try to post them as soon as possible afterward...


/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Gunsguy on April 01, 2010, 08:59:06 PM
Jarmo can you tell us who is playing tonight?

forget wifi use text to twitter!!!!!   Thanks for everything you have done regardless man!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
forget wifi use text to twitter!!!!!   


Umm, thanks for the advice. I don't have a working phone.... So texting is kinda out of the question at the moment.


Opening act is done..



/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Gunsguy on April 01, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
I thought you would have one by now, sorry man.  Thanks for the update!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Another opening act

Opening acts Vivda Negra and Rock Box (playing Van halen's Jump right now)

/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Montrealrocks on April 01, 2010, 09:25:00 PM
Thanks Jarmo.....and BTW...thankx for the guitar tech thread!...Cool stuff


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 01, 2010, 09:28:32 PM
Thanks Jarmo!!!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: HBK on April 01, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
GUNS N' ROSES

Special Guest: Sebastian Bach

Support: Viuda Negra & Rockvox


(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9310/2h305t5.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/2h305t5.jpg/)


(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9428/2v3owh3.jpg) (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/2v3owh3.jpg/)

Good Luck All Fans, Jarmo, GN'R Camp, etc...

 :beer:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Classic Case on April 01, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
Jarmo welcome to my country hope u have a good time.thanx for the updates.have a blast.I'm so jelous my friends are there.hope u doing good with the high altitud


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Farid Bak on April 01, 2010, 10:28:58 PM
From OSW@GNR Int
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Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 01, 2010, 10:34:15 PM
Baz is on



/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Farid Bak on April 01, 2010, 11:45:36 PM
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Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 01, 2010, 11:51:39 PM
half set list of baz

1. Slave to the Grind
2. Back in the Saddle
3. Big Guns
4. Here I Am
5. (love is) a bitchslap
6. Stuck inside
7. Piece of me
8. 18 and life
9. American Metalhead
10. New Song from Bach (Unknown Name)
11. By My Side
12. Monkey Business
13. Never Understand
14. New Song #2 (Unknown Name)
15. I remember you
16. Youth Gone Wild


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Farid Bak on April 02, 2010, 12:05:31 AM
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Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 01:03:48 AM
Technical problems are delaying the start


We're waiting for them to be fixed


The band has been ready to go on for a while


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: DEAD HORSE on April 02, 2010, 01:08:03 AM
Thanks for the updates Jarmo!

 :beer:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 01:10:05 AM
The Quito show is under way....


Intro


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 01:10:48 AM
Probably can't post more during show due to no wifi by stage


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Jacaranda on April 02, 2010, 01:15:59 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle


GNR International


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Gunsguy on April 02, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
Thanks Jarmo :)


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Farid Bak on April 02, 2010, 01:25:41 AM
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Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Jacaranda on April 02, 2010, 01:26:35 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry

GNR International


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: lipeguns on April 02, 2010, 01:33:32 AM
Live stream here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/simplify-love#utm_campaign=www.gnr-la.com&utm_source=2793328&utm_medium=social

"Sorry" now! : ok:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 01:33:52 AM
Chinese Democracy, Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Sorry, 


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 01:37:23 AM
Better


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: w.axl.rose on April 02, 2010, 01:38:39 AM
wifi reaches the stage after all?


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 01:53:03 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: angeles on April 02, 2010, 01:58:54 AM
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Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 02:00:26 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 02:04:37 AM
Setlist: Chinese Democracy, Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Sorry, Better, Richard Fortus Guitar Solo (James Bond Theme), Live And Let Die, If The World, Rocket Queen, band introductions, Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)/Street Of Dreams


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 02:12:31 AM
You Could Be Mine, 


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: big_machine on April 02, 2010, 02:19:46 AM
theyre not using the 4 leds screen !  just 2 right ?


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World
10.Rocket Queen/band introductions
11. Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)
12. Street Of Dreams
13-You Could Be Mine
14-Dj Ashba Solo
15.Sweet child o' mine


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 02:37:05 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World
10.Rocket Queen/band introductions
11. Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)
12. Street Of Dreams
13-You Could Be Mine
14-Dj Ashba Solo
15.Sweet child o' mine
16.Another Brick in the Wall (pink floyd cover)
17.November rain


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 02:48:38 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World
10.Rocket Queen/band introductions
11. Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)
12. Street Of Dreams
13-You Could Be Mine
14-Dj Ashba Solo
15.Sweet child o' mine
16.Another Brick in the Wall (pink floyd cover)
17.November rain
18.Bumblefoot thal solo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 02:50:58 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World
10.Rocket Queen/band introductions
11. Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)
12. Street Of Dreams
13-You Could Be Mine
14-Dj Ashba Solo
15.Sweet child o' mine
16.Another Brick in the Wall (pink floyd cover)
17.November rain
18.Bumblefoot thal solo
19.Knocking on heaven's door


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Farid Bak on April 02, 2010, 02:53:06 AM
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2674/x2ffe083.jpg)


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 03:00:12 AM
(http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_ffe427)


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 03:06:56 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World
10.Rocket Queen/band introductions
11. Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)
12. Street Of Dreams
13-You Could Be Mine
14-Dj Ashba Solo
15.Sweet child o' mine
16.Another Brick in the Wall (pink floyd cover)
17.November rain
18.Bumblefoot thal solo
19.Knocking on heaven's door
20-Outta get me
21.JAM/ Nightrain


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 03:15:59 AM
Intro
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Welcome To The Jungle
03. It's so easy
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Sorry
06. Better
07. Richard Fortus solo
08. Live and let Die
09. If The World
10.Rocket Queen/band introductions
11. Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)
12. Street Of Dreams
13-You Could Be Mine
14-Dj Ashba Solo
15.Sweet child o' mine
16.Another Brick in the Wall (pink floyd cover)
17.November rain
18.Bumblefoot thal solo
19.Knocking on heaven's door
20-Outta get me
21.JAM/ Nightrain
Encore:
22-Madagascar


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 03:21:48 AM
Setlist: Chinese Democracy, Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Sorry, Better, Richard Fortus Guitar Solo (James Bond Theme), Live And Let Die, If The World, Rocket Queen, band introductions, Dizzy Reed Piano Solo (Ziggy Stardust)/Street Of Dreams, You Could Be Mine, Dj Ashba Guitar Solo/Sweet Child O' Mine, Jam (Another Brick In The Wall: Part 2)/Axl Piano Solo (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road/Someone Saved My Life Tonight)/November Rain/Gran Torino, Bumblefoot Guitar Solo (Pink Panther), Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Out Ta Get Me, Jam, Nightrain

Encore: Madagascar, Paradise City


Bbf has a rose on his guitar during some songs

Bbf wears a flag for his solo

BBF places the flag on richs shoulders during kohd


Dj in pit for nightrain


 



Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GypsySoul on April 02, 2010, 03:25:19 AM
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE UPDATES n' PICS!!!  :beer:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Sandrine on April 02, 2010, 03:26:03 AM
Thanks for the updates  : ok:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2010, 03:28:25 AM
Good night Quito!


/jarmo


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: GabrielRoses on April 02, 2010, 03:33:52 AM
thank u for updates!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: HBK on April 02, 2010, 04:37:34 AM
AMAZING MTFKRS

 :peace:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Marion68 on April 02, 2010, 08:08:05 AM
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE UPDATES n' PICS!!!  :beer:




Thanks again... :beer:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: CheapJon on April 02, 2010, 10:40:43 AM
fuck yeah out ta get me is played more often again!!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: clau68 on April 02, 2010, 12:13:08 PM
Thanks for the updates. I really love Bogot? setlist, but I envy Quito for OUT TO GET ME.  However I really wanted to hear Patiente.


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on April 02, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Well i gotta say i've been to the best concert ever in my life, i was first row and Axl was in great shape, i saw a couple of times at Jarmo but he didnt heard me, any way i'll post later a resume of the show.

Right now a few quick pictures cause the videos and photos were taken by other people
Picture:
With Bumblefoot  ;D
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs437.ash1/24116_429919309761_794509761_5401442_1793637_n.jpg)

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvnW9o2d5rw
The first thing you hear is: "don't go" (cause Ron was leaving the stage) and I laughed, and told the dude: "the desperation of the waiting", though Guns enter a few minutes after midnight and we didn't have to wait too much.  ;D


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: A MAN DRY on April 02, 2010, 03:46:39 PM
Live stream here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/simplify-love#utm_campaign=www.gnr-la.com&utm_source=2793328&utm_medium=social

"Sorry" now! : ok:

Really? Did this happen? I searched around the forum and couldn't find anyone who watched the show.

Did you see it?


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Tatiana on April 02, 2010, 05:57:56 PM
For those who were at the show, tell us more!  ;)


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on April 03, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
This is a little review I made, sorry for the little details but I'm no t writer nor have lots of vocabulary to describe the show.

ok, where to start?, first i went to the venue at 4pm the doors were open at 5pm, almost 5:20pm i was inside so the waiting was already begun, at 8pm the first group - Viuda Negra - the sound didn't work, we (black box, first row) couldn't hear the vocals, overal ok, they made covers of deep purple, queen, led zeppelin, ac/dc.
At 9pm RoxVox (God only knows why they were there, the sound was great with this guys but they didn't play anything rock, except for Jump of Van Halen cause the rest was pure crap, nobody knew what they were doing up there.

Then the show at last was going to begin, 10pm Sebastian Bach, what a great showman, the guy smile the whole set,
in monkey business Sebastian slip in one part of the stage, but he kept rocking, he was just making faces like saying,
fuck this hurts, at youth gone wild he pass through the same spot and he told us, if he should pass through there ajajaja that  was great. The concert was great, what a headbanger guy he is, I enjoy a lot the show.
Here's 18 and life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nhIHUeGJeE

The great gig in the sky :D
11:50 - Ron appears in the stage, and everyone was screaming please start the show!
midnight - The people were screaming Guns N Roses!!
00:05 - The lights went out, we all knew this is going to happen so hang on!!
Chinese Democracy starts and the best concert of my life begins, it was a 2 and half hours of great show, Axl was so happy making faces to us, sometimes he made faces so we can picture him, i hope my friends have this pictures cause i was just enjoying the moment, axl was so excited that he run all over the stage in SCOM, Nightrain, Out ta get me, Paradise city  well he run all over the stage the whole songs, but he was like a little kid, he was just great, he was in great mood.
The songs were great though at one time he said to one technician to fix a problem with his mic, i've hear in FB to the people that went to the back of the concert that back there they couldn't see quite well cause the screen was so little. Well i guess that is right.
Anyway the concert was great, the band was incredible everyone scream Dizzy dizzy dizzy, and Dizzy look at us reaching his ears like saying: "what? your were calling?" jajajaja that was fun, Ron, DJ and Richard were interacting with the audience a lot, Richard and Tommy in Madagascer where in the front line singing with us.

My moment of tears were November rain, the outro part with the whole piro thing and the white background, then Madagascar and Paradise City, the end, I mean I really enjoy the show and now I have that memories in my head, What a great feeling :D. At the end of the show Axl was so exited that he took the mic and throw it to the audience and stood with his arms open like he was going to jump over us, like saying picture me!!!

Raul  :peace:

This picture is from some friend on FB

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs479.ash1/26241_10150159160480287_565515286_11803487_5620878_n.jpg)


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: DEAD HORSE on April 03, 2010, 07:44:39 PM
Gracias Raul! Great review!! :beer:   : ok:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Lady Ashba on April 03, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
Awesome pic! :love:


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on April 05, 2010, 06:21:41 PM
And another one from that concert  : ok:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs430.snc3/24798_10150149569275444_789130443_11906030_4671327_n.jpg)


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: Tatiana on April 06, 2010, 07:24:44 AM
Thanks Mr. Dick Purple for your review of the show. And for the pics!


Title: Re: April 01 - Quito, Ecuador @ Atahualpa Stadium
Post by: André Menk on April 07, 2010, 01:55:34 AM
Great pics, thank's !!!