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Whos watching LOST this year?

Wanna star a brainstorming of theories  :smoking: ?

I do

not a fan of discussing theories and shit about it though, you're never right about anything anyways

This Season kicks so much ass. You can just feel how the tension is being build up more and more every episode.
Best show in the history of Television

Hahaha, yeah. I think thats because the writters works on as the episodes go on. I once watch a DVD from the first or second season that included some behind the scenes material. I actually work in the creative industry and seing how the LOST creative crew works really amazed me.

 
I was turned down by the first episodes of this season... But then it went so fn' good! As you said, the tension is building up and up every week.

Best episode until now imo: 09 "Ab Aeterno". The Richard Alpert episode, so fn' awesome it was like a movie. Also Richard for me was one of the characters with more mistery around him!

Yes, Ab Aeterno is definetaly one of the Top 10 episodes of the entire Show
Hope we'll get a Jacob/MIB centered Episode

yup, the richard episode was awesome, one of the "fastest" episodes, felt like 15-20 minutes long ;D

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I love that desmond is back! one of my favorite characters of the whole series, original poster, put spoiler warning - US pace or something in the thread title

Man, episode 11 was so interesting that it seemed to me to last just ten minutes!!! Desmond is again playing a key role in this two-scenarios thing like hi did wen able to see the future.

Just 5 episodes left!  :nervous:

Ok, saw episode 12 last night "Everybody loves Hugo"! Things are really boilling bro. Great episode!

indeed it was! not a dull moment

One thing I like about this season is the fact that Jack dont talk that much or act like some kind of comic book hero as it used to do... It really annoyed me.

Glad he is aside in this last episodes...

true! i've not thought about it but now when you say so

well they made him all weak n lame in more recent seasons.

I miss the strongheaded kick ass guy he used to be. But then again i miss Lost when it wasnt so ridiculous as it is now haha. Had a better atmosphere on those first 3 seasons.

I think what's happend with Jack is this:

He realizes that he screwed up his first time on the island.  That he tried so hard to lead them OFF the island, he didn't really pay attention to what leaving really meant.  So now, rather than push, he's content to sit back and let others lead the way.

You heard some of that when he was talking to Sawyer on the boat and when he was talking to Hurley last week (the conversation where Hurley admitted that Jacob HADN'T told him to go talk to Locke).

Jack had to switch his perspective. He was the man of science. Now he has become the man of faith and realized that John Locke was right all the time.

emotional episode eh :P

Let me start by saying I like Lost and have never missed an episode.  However, this season has been disappointing to me.

I was hoping for so much more.  Typical case of high expectations leading to disappointment for me.  The flash-sideways (which are obviously flash-forwards of some kind) are lame and do not further the overarching storeline of "what is the island and how were these people chosen as candidates". 

Last night was a wasted 1 hour episode and a big FU to us fans IMO. Last night's episode, with only 4.5 hours left (yes they added a half hour to the already 2 hour finale), gave us exactly no answers and did not explain a thing.  No story progression at all.  It did however finally, mercifully get rid of the two worst characters on the show (Sun and Jin) which I had been begging for for 5+ seasons.

The show was way better in the early years for sure, and it suffers from very poor writing.  The style of writing is something any of us could do.  Simply just come up with wacked out concepts that you don't have to explain and lead to more questions.  This style allows them to adapt on the fly to fan ideas and new concepts.  Smart in some ways, but it leaves the viewer with somewhat of an empty feeling. 

I'd like to see what this series could have been with excellent writers like those that write for Damages, The Shield, Justified, etc. 

In any event, I'll of course see it though to the end, but I am bracing myself for disappointment based on what I've seen so far this season.

PC

Major Spoiler


I can't belive that Sun and Jin died. :crying: At least they were together. I guess her evil father will raise their daughter. :crying:

just one word: ohmygod

gutted.

epic gutted.

i scrolled down n in fast browsing i saw the sun n jin post.


FAIL.

Saw last episode yesterday.... So Jin, Sun, Sayid and Lapidus are gone! I would have killed Kated instead!!!Im just tired of her stupid attitude :hihi:


I think the episodes to come until the last one will be pretty much like this one... The story just dont have to much to give except for the ?so what was this island and candidates all about really? and/or what will happen with Jacob (Is he really dead? Who are that boys that the false Locke sometimes see around the island?)

i'm not sure lapidus is gone, we'll also find out about richard and ben, desmond's still alive as well

This show I never fallowed but from the few episodes I have seen its really fucking complicated show.




Joe

1) Yup, a bloodbath.  BUT, I'm not sure Lapidus is gone.  I suspect he may still pop up again.

2) To PC...I think there WAS story progression.  It was somewhat subtle, but....think about this:  Their entire interaction with "Not-Locke" was been one huge, elaborate, con.  "Not-Locke" completely out conned Sawyer, the con man.  And "Not-Locke" is about 6 steps ahead of them, because they basically did exactly what he thought they'd do from start to finish.    On top of ALL that, while we all caught the sinister nature of "Not-Locke", there was some ambiguity.  That's now gone.  And finally, Jack has figured out a pretty important piece of information: "Not Locke" can't actually hurt them directly.  And Sawyer is now going to trust Jack to make the decisions again.

3)  There's some more "stuff" they can lay out:  What was the big statue on the island.  What's the source of all this mythology (I think these guys might be Egyptian gods..but we'll see).  What the HELL is going on with the flash sideways (we know it's NOT simply a "what if" through what's going on with Desmond in those scenes....).  And we've only got 2 Tuesday eps before the 2.5 hour (they just expanded it) finale on Sunday the 23rd. 

I can't believe its gonna be over in about 2 weeks. I think i'm gonna cry for a month or so

I think the Not-Locke actually cant hurt the "candidates" directly. Thats why Jack asked Sawyer not to touch the bomb, he thought that if they didnt do a thing the bomb wouldnt explote. The Not-Locke surely was counting on one of them trying to dispose the bomb (that way is actually not him but one of the candidates hurting them)

But I may got it wrong  :P

that's what pilferk said

Dude you are rigth! I read "can" the first time. Sorry pilferk, my bad  :-X

yeah it makes sense, like when the smoke monster didn't kill locke a couple of seasons back

I dont know about that kind of smoke monster but people know of me for being a different kind of smoke monster.   :smoking:

 :hihi:




Joe

I just hit the unfollow button on Twitter for some random guy who kindly posted the spoiler about Sun, Jin and Sayid. :P

Anyways, I think this season isn't really going anywhere. People being killed will be alive in this alternate reality, so it's kinda like "ok, we can kill everyone because they will be ok in the other dimension". And there is way too much talk but little answers, so I think it will all get rushed in the last episode.

One thing though is certain YOU WILL BE LOST

That should be the slogan for the new season  :hihi:



Joe

this is the last, and that has been the idea with the whole show

The way I see it, the show has always been about each main characters' exorcising of their personal demons.  On the island, those demons are embodied in the form of Un-Locke.  And just like Un-Locke, those demons can't kill you, they can only conspire against you to make us destroy ourselves.  Jack has finally come to that realization, so his redemption is now in full swing.

Jack's "number" in the cave and the lighthouse was '23'.  Psalm 23 reads:


 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.

 2 He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters,

 3 he restores my soul.  He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.  You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.

 6 Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

I hope Hurley gets another chance and Jack gets the fuck off that island. :P

As the self-proclaimed President of the Anti-Jack Brotherhood: I second that!!!

But deep in my soul instead of Hurley I would love to see the real John Locke come back from death in some way...  ;D

Yup, that's exactly what I meant.  Sorry, should have clarified that "them" only counts the candidates.

Evidenced by the fact Not-Locke could shoot Kate.

And don't think his ability to hurt Kate won't rear it's ugly head.  :)

Well... what do you people think?
I have to say it wasn't what i expected, but it's still very very interesting. I liked the storytelling of this episode. And i dont even think its a bad thing we didn't get all the answers we longed for, cause that wouldn't be LOST.
The only thing i don't understand is: Jacob and his brother supposedly weren't able/allowed to hurt each other. But Jacob killed his brother. But now, when his brother is the smoke thing, they can't hurt each other again.What's with that?

i guess it wasn't jacob that killed him but that light cave, the episode made the brother more human and easier to understand and kinda made jacob look like a stupid fuck :hihi:

also, was it the mothers plan all along to have one of the brothers kill her

ok so jacob's brother was the special one but how did he know that if they made some kind of wheel they could move and get off the island

more questions than answers, the irony of the mother telling the brothers "every answer will only lead to more questions" or something like it :hihi:

it's unfortuneatly still too much magic compared to stuff that makes sense, like the bible :-\

Hm dont know, cause Jacob smashed his brother down and he fell on those little rocks and it seemed like he was already dead when he was floating into that light thing. Or maybe he was just unconscious. But still he actively lead to his death and in the present they don't seem to be able to kill each other actively, just like Locke can't kill the candidates actively

I was totally disappointed in the episode.  I was expecting to learn abou the relationship between Jacob and his brother in terms of the game they has been goping on over thousands of years.  How is it that Jacob can leave the island in modern times and his mother couldn't?  Did the smoke monster kill his brother or is his brother now the smnoke monster?  How did Jacob become so powerful in the present time being able to construct a lughthouse that looks at people's lives off the sland, etc?

I was totally disappointed in the episode for making Jacob basically a dumb ass.

Well, isnt it clear, that the smoke is not Jacob's brother, since his brother rests in peace with his mother now? (Adam and Eve)

And remember when his brother said to Jacob when they were playing that game, that some time he could create his own game with his own rules. Back then it was directed to an actual game but could also be directed at the rules of the island.
When Jacob became the ruler of the island, he made up his own rules which apperently stated, that the smoke can't leave the island unless Jacob is dead. And he could also not kill Jacob directly.

Sometimes you just have to look harder to get your answers.

Ok guys Im late on this one, sorry  ;D

I think Jacob didnt actually killed his brother. It was more like kinda he "separeted"  his soul from his body... He turned him in a kinda ghost thing I think.... Thats why this guy take possesion of the dead bodies in the island...

About how he know about the wheel stuff... We all know he was special, her "mother" said so. Remember when he grabbed the box game, it was like he learned how to used when he touch it, its kinda a special sense, like a mediun sort of thing...

I liked the episode, it was very cool...

I didn't, it was one of the lamest episodes of the season.

So, suddenly there is this magic light that makes everything and bla bla bla. So, Jacob is just a moron? So, his brother's name is Eyjafjallaj?kull - or else why would nobody ever say it? :P

Really, it's not just about curiosity, but to make sense. They NEED to explain a lot and spending an entire episode with such lack of useful information isn't helping at all. I do hope they make it through the next ones, tho.

my freinds and my wife and i are planning a Lost party for the finale...i just printed out a bunch of labels for Dharma Initiative Beer :haha:  :beer:

We learned who was Adam and Eva also. A mistery that was standing since the first season.

The Magic Light: Same light we saw Benjamin Linus used with the wheel when he moved the island. This light is nothing new. John lock saw it in the first season also if you dont remember... Back then he said he had seen the heart of the island. Also I think its the same Energy the Dharma was researching of in the island. That condensed electromagnetic shit.

About Jacob being a moron: I think he was a moron. Like everyone else who reached the island. The whole thing in this story I think is about change and struggle with inner demons and insecurity. Jacob seems a lot more mature in the present. Dont forget that what we saw in last episode was like what? 4000 years ago? People grow.

Jacob's no-name brother: This gives him more mistery. Also remember that his real mother didnt actually had a name for him, like he wasnt expected to be born. And also, what so important about his name or not?  :hihi:

Yeah, but it all seems way too much "magical" then logic now. The eletromagnetic light was ok when it was just something extraordinary, but not an entitity on its own.

Jacob's twin brother was Esau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esau) but I don't think they will use it. Maybe he's called 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, & 42. :hihi:

Boy... I hate Jack  :rant:

I hope last episode was just a previous step for blowing up the island leaving just Desmond lol.

Guess we'll have to wait and see... This weekend!  :hihi:

it's almost as surreal that the last episodes is this weekend as when CD was released

I had to watch the last one before Id like too because of the ammount of spoilers on Twitter. I guess I'll have to stay the fuck out of the Twitter this Sunday.

About this last one, seemed way too cheap to bring a bunch of people to the island just because their life sucked. Well, better be sad than dead, I suppose. And I dont think Jack will be the replacement - nothing on Lost is that easy.

My guess (wholly unfounded, not spoilered, with no substantial info to back it up) is that Jack is going to end up dead...and someone else (I'm pulling for Hurley, actually) is going to end up the caretaker.

But we'll see.

sawyer will meet juliet in some way, that's for sure

Why is that for sure? Or you mean he will meet Juliet in the alternate reality?

of course, they'll "get coffee sometime" remember hear death on the island http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJA_E7jyiYg&feature=related

I am not sure they will met... Was Juliet a Jacob's candidate? It was Ben who brought her to the island so I am not sure she is such a relevant character in this last part of the story.

Hope I'm wrong cause she was the hottest lady in the program!  ;D

Yeah, I think that makes sense. In fact, it would be really weird if they didn't meet - they all seem to meet at least once in this alt. reality.

Nah, the hottest was Shannon (remember the first season?). :)

remember juliet and kate all muddy a couple of seasons back :drool:

best picture i could find, couldn't find it on youtube  :(
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/CaptionContest/leftbehindpromo3CC.jpg)

I'm not too sure where this is from, and it is ever so slightly annoying that it's out of sync, but it's fantastic nevertheless!

Jacob and MIB in Counselling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-y8dUh-7c)

Hahaha, that was really funny. Bad synched too. :hihi:

There's another one that they did that was pretty funny as well. I think that they're both from some TV show... But I don't watch much English television, let alone American!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykmiNM5bdZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykmiNM5bdZY)

Well, what did you guys think about the finale?? Personally, I'm still a bit dazed, still trying to take everything in. For the most part I thorougly enjoyed it--- at least, up until the last ten minutes.

I've been watching Lost since the beginning. I've never missed an episode. I still prefer the first three seasons, but I've always enjoyed the show. I wasn't one of those people demanding answers. I wasn't racking my brain trying to figure everything out. I was just along for the ride.

But now that the show is officially over and there's no next week or next season to answer or redeem or explain or show anything else, I find myself saddened that one of my favorite shows is over, but also incredibly disappointed.

The on-the-island stuff was great. I loved the showdown between Jack and the Locke Monster. I like that the island wasn't just a metaphorical cork but an ACTUAL cork. This has always been Jack's show; his arc has been the greatest. Him becoming the new protector, even though it was short-lived, made sense. The final shot of him closing his eye was also the perfect closing shot, since the first scene ever was of him opening his eye. I like that Hurley now takes over; that also makes sense. Ben finally gets to be important and be the new "Richard." Basically, I loved all the on-the-island stuff.

But the flash-sideways (or afterlife/purgatory/whatever you want to call it now) kinda ruins it a little bit for me. Throughout this season people have complained about the flash-sideways. Every time we flashed to them, I became a bit annoyed, like, 'hurry up and get back to the island stuff, I could care less about this flash-sideways crap.' But once Desmond remembered everything and started trying to find everyone and trigger their memories, the flash-sideways became much more interesting, because they were actually advancing the plot and we were able to tie it in with the characters on the island. And throughout the finale, when the "reveal" kept inching nearer and nearer to the end, I kept expecting something totally amazing, something that was going to blow my mind. But instead we get, "We're all dead! Open up the doors and step into the light! Time to go to heaven!!" This whole sideways shit wasn't even introduced until this season; they didn't even become meaningful to the overall story until halfway through; and then there wasn't even a payoff. They were all dead. Why the hell did we even need to waste our time with that aspect? You can completely eliminate that plot device from this final season, and nothing is lost. Instead of wasting a third of each episode this season on the side-flashes, we could've been spending more time on the island, seeing stuff that actually matters. Instead of the bullshit fake happy ending afterlife crap. And after all the denying that the island or anything on the show had anything to do with purgatory, the writers actually throw in a pointless purgatory aspect of the show in the final season?

Now I'm just hoping for a spin-off series that focuses on Hurley's time as protector of the island.

(One unsolved aspect of the finale that annoys me is Richard: How can Richard get on the plane at the end and fly back to society? The dude's 200 years old. Will he continue to live forever? He had a gray hair in this episode, a sign he may finally be aging. Now that Jacob's dead, and especially now that Richard left the island, what happens to him? I was half expecting them to just show him crumple to dust like a mummy once they left the island.)

Personally I thought the finale SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want the 4.5 hours of my life back that I wasted watching it yesterday. WTF happened? I don't get it. somebody please enlighten me. The only part I liked was Ian Somerholder who was Boone who actually seemed more like his character Damon from Vampire Diaries laughing at us that he was really a vampire with immortality. I liked the commercials of people's final transmissions, particuarly the one comparing trekkies to losties. :hihi:

SPOILER ALERT!!!

Well, I don't know, I just watched. The very ending was more like the end of the final season than the end of a story (I mean, they wanted to bring a kinda happy ending in some way).

I liked how Hurley stayed in the island as the new jacob, tho. That and how Jack died. But still, what made me more curious about the show was the mistery elements of the island, like the Dharma thing - and that is still uncleared. I heard they will give some answers in the DVD/Blu-ray of the last episodes, so let's wait a bit more.

Overall, I'm glad I can use the Twitter again without having a flood of spoilers, haha. :hihi:

BTW, Bumblefoot posted something about Lost's end:

On Monday 24th May 2010, @bumblefoot said:


Re: Lost Finale

It was a beautiful show that touched every part of the viewer's brain, heart and spirit, a show that the deeper you watched, the more you appreciated. There were so many opportunities for the finale to give purpose to all the numerology, theoretical science, religious & mythological characterizations, philosophy & physics they pointed toward throughout the show, and I wish we were given more closure. Or is the point that there is no closure, closure is a need to control, that all these things exist in a reality beyond our material world, infinite beyond our comprehension, there is no 'here' and 'now', and evolving past the need to control is how we can accept the next greater existence and move on...? Unfortunately, I'm not there yet - I'm still a half-beast living in the physical realm, underdeveloped, imperfect, a work-in-progress, hungry for gratification from my TV, here and now. That means I may have to treat the Lost finale like it was a horoscope, where you apply it to your own life & interests in order to be satisfied with it. Was a very emotional finale, all the couples reunited, absolutely moved by it. I LOVED it. But it was also frustrating, where you can sum up what happened in 6 seasons in 2 words, 'they [ ]'. (Won't say it in case anyone didn't watch it yet.) My 'feeling thumb' is up, my 'thinking thumb' is down, only because we're still left with a lot of 'why this?' and 'why that?'. This was comparable to the 'Mash' finale, heart-felt, huge - but the unanswered questions can reduce the impact to a 'St. Elsewhere' "It was all just a [ ]" Would love to hear from the writers about some of the rides we were taken on over 6 seasons, that now seem like dead ends in a maze. Or is that the point?? Everyone I know who died or almost died, self included, experienced the whole 'Price Is Right pick a door, door #3 means you're dead' thing, dead ends in a maze... We certainly got to know the depth of the characters, that's how we fell in love with show - but this HAS to be more than a 30-minute Twilight Zone episode stretched into 6 years of character development, we need more answers! Please...!!! :) Polarized thoughts about the finale aside, this will always be one of the most compelling shows ever to hit TV, exceptional writing, filming, acting. Thank you for an unforgettable show...!

I really wanted to feel the way that Bumblefoot does, but I just don't. I did always suck at physics. Somebody please explain the side flashes to me? Did they really happen or were they part of purgatory? Did Lapidus and crew make it back to civilization? How long was Hurley the new Jacob? What is the island a metaphor for? Why was Desmond the one bringing people together? I guess I just like things tied up in a neat little bow. I did really like the show as a whole, and I really cared about the characters.

They really happen - untill this final season.

Guess so.

I dunno, does it really matter?

For inner demons and for people searching for salvation?

Because he was the first to realise they were all dead in this purgatory thing, I guess.

One thing that I think we are going to start seeing are 'authorized' serial novels based on the mythology of Lost. Similar to all of the Star Wars books that get into the back stories of Boba Fett (etc...). It would be interesting to get an idea of what came of Hurley and Ben on the Island after Jack passed, and what filled the 2500 year gap between Jacob being born and flight 815 crashing.

Richard, Jack, and Locke/Smoke Monster/MIB lost their immortality when Desmond lifted the plug out of the hot tub (for lack of a better description) he then got a grey hair and decided he wanted to live out the remained of his 'natural' life. So at that point he picked up where he left off 200 years ago with (I'm assuming with a bit of a technological disadvantage)...

The one thing I can't seem to remember was did Richard leave the Island to recruit people like Juliet?.. I'm going to start watching it from the begining again, but that is one of the things that become fuzzy for me in the mid seasons.

I forgot all about that. I definitely remember Richard coming to see Locke when he was a little kid, so I guess Richard had left the island before. Still, now that we know this guy is as old as he is, it seems odd that he would even want to return to the real world, or that he could function in it. Last night when Richard was in the plane, I was thinking, you know, even with all the magical things he has seen on the island, just seeing our advancements in technology, just seeing this plane, probably still blows his mind.

The more I think about last night's finale, and the last few seasons as a whole, the more I'm disappointed. The creators claim they've known what was going to happen all along, but you know that's complete bullshit. They probably had a vague idea of what would happen overall, as far as the big picture is concerned, but when you look back on it now, there are so many things that happened in the series that were never resolved, things that seemed important at one time and were then just tossed aside. Everything involving Widmore comes to mind. It's like Bumblefoot said, "dead ends in a maze."

I feel like the creators were too sympathetic toward their own characters and were afraid to give them anything but a happy ending. Jack fulfills his purpose, saves the world, and dies, and I thoroughly enjoyed his journey. But all the purgatory crap feels like a cop-out. Locke died a very pitiful death a couple seasons ago, so now we get to see Jack fix him and give him his legs back. Charlie is reunited with Claire. Jack has a son. Juliet and Sawyer find each other. Hurley's lucky. Blah, blah blah. It's unnecessary and pointless, imo. I don't care what happens to them after they die. I only care about what they did while they were alive.

I really liked the finale and i hardly ever watched the series before lol.

im just reading all the comments on the Internet and i think it proves a lot about humans.  We all want the answers to everything when in reality, thats impossible.

The island was real.  Some got off it, some died on it.  I take it the other world was some form of purgatory...

I didnt really "get it" but it seems they all moved on in the end.  Glad i didn't watch the whole thing though!

For those who didnt get all of it, you should read this recap
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/all-roads-lead-here-end-recap-by.html

i LOVED the ending and it also made me very very sad. for once because we saw jack dying which was just heartbreaking, second because LOST is finally over and i find myself kind of lost now.

i also loved the sideways thing.
one of the most moving scenes of the finale was the one with ben and locke outside the church. when ben apologized to locke for what he did to him, that was just phenomenal

interesting, what one of the writers of the show has to say about it, especially the sideways part is interesting

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=102576&st=1020&p=1867089&#entry1867089

I think i am one of the few people who never watched one single nano second of this.

reading about the finale.. kinda glad i didn't invest time into it.

I'm with you D.  And I couldn't be happier that the show is over so I don't have to listen to my friends talk about the show incessantly and over analyze every single second of it at parties.  At least in a couple weeks.  I'm sure they'll have to let some steam off about the finale first.  It had to be the MOST talked about show ever, in my experience.  I talk about the shows I watch, don't get me wrong.  But the conversations last a couple of minutes, not hours.

Most TV shows only require a couple of minutes discussion. Lost is a rarity for television... a show that touches on various intellectual, philosophical and spiritual themes that doesn't talk down to its audience and refuses to spoon-feed people every last detail. Makes discussions a lot more interesting, and a lot longer. It will be missed. Haven't felt such loss after the end of a TV show since The X-Files.

EDIT:

In regards to people's opinions of the finale, think of it like this...

From the writer's point of view. They are like the Axl Rose of television writers. They told their story, the way they wanted to tell it, without giving in to fan pressure. They knew from the outset that no matter what they did it was going to polarise people, so all they could do was do what they wanted to do and hope for the best. This makes Lost the most rock n' roll show in the world. ;)

And from a fan's point of view. The entire premise of the show was that we were following the adventures of the characters, and what made it interesting was that we knew as little as they did. So every big revelation, we found out at the same time as them. At times there were characters like Ben, who seemed like they knew more than us, but it was later revealed that they were just as oblivious as us. The point? The moment that we started to know more about what was going on than the characters is the moment the show ceases to be interesting, and it would be a real shame for the show to cease to be interesting in the last hour or so. And quite frankly, there was so much in the background that the characters were never going to be able to get to the bottom of no matter how long they had, that not only do I expect some of the mystery's to go unanswered, I welcome it. This way, you get to make up your own version of events, thus keeping those discussions that non-fans find so irritating going. ;)

And that's despite the fact that a lot of things people were demanding answers for were either not mysteries in the first place, or already answered when people obviously weren't paying attention.

That was an awesome read. Thanks!

I liked the finale a lot, it could have been better.. but it could also have been as bad as some people make it out to be :P

Julliet did invited James again for a coffee. ;D

I agree... the only thing that bothers me is his description of how the final scene was written right after the pilot and nothing changed about it... If so why was Julliet there... Ben was there first and played a bigger role and they had to write him out?

Otherwise I loved the write up.

no, ben was originally meant to only be in 3 episodes or something like that so they didn't write him out, they kinda wrote him in by having the scene where he said he's sorry to locke, it was probably meant all along that juliet and sawyer would fall in love

That would mean that durring the pilot they new about the season 5 1974 timeline where they fell in love (when the all but admitted that everything between the pilot and the last ten minutes was made up on the fly).

Not a huge sticking point for me, because I enjoyed the episode, but just a funny hole in the story.

I really really liked the episode. Enjoyed it as much as the whole show. I'm with Bumble, AxlReznor, CheapJon, xBrownstonex, jacdaniel on this one.


I thought exactly that when Jack enters the building where he found his father and behind them were this window with the religeous symbols on it.

I tought this is all what is about, there are somethings that you just cant learn by yourself. You need other people. Love and be loved by others. Carry each others, friendly, towards the shadows and the fears and that that we just dont know nor understand...

Religion is about that I think. As well as Art and Phylosophy is a tool for "put a name" on that things that we yet dont know how to say. For fighting against our fears, for discovering new things inside us and comprenhend (or at least try to comprenhend) whats inside the ones that surrounds us.


Thats what Im talking about man!  : ok:

I dont really watch TV. Most of the time just soccer and movies. But LOST really touched me.

I cried the 2nd time even more than the first time watching this.

I'm so glad LOST came into my life.

Don't know if this was ever posted here, but I found this amusing.

http://www.theonion.com/video/final-season-of-lost-promises-to-make-fans-more-an,14394/

Thankyou to everyone who helped enlighten me. I think I will watch it again, now that I get what the flash sideways were.

Loved it too.  Here are some unanswered questions.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

I saw that just before the season debuted. Hilarious. ;D

The Steele household got very misty when Vincent laid down next to Jack so he wouldn't die alone.

Thankyou so much to everyone who helped me to understand the side flashes, and what was going on in the story. I just finished watching the finale again. Since I understood what was happening, it made alot more sense. I cried when Sawyer and Juliet reunited, and when Vincent laid down next to Jack. Boone still looked the vampire Damon to me, I think that is waht Ian Somerholder intended. :hihi: I think it also helped to fast forward the commercials. I hope they put together a big book with lots of pictures and character profiles about the secrets of the island and all of our unanswered questions. It would make millions! : ok: I really can't thank you guys enough, because LOST was one of my all time fav shows, and this last season was really confusing to me until now.

The DVD will include 30 minutes more of material for the finale. Including an epiloughe of the time where hugo is nr1 and ben nr2,
Can't wait!

They've also said that there was going to be a special feature explaining all of those unanswered questions that they either couldn't explain, or thought they already had. Should be interesting to see.

Saturday night, ABC is reshowing the complete 2.5 hour finale (with "pop ups", I think, as they have in the past) and the Jimmy Kimmel special right after.

I live in Germany so that doesn't affect me. Got it all on my pc anyway.

But if anyone could write the pop ups down, in case they're interesting, that would be nice

Thanks. My DVR will be set.! : ok:

Watching the pop-ups was very helpful. The Jimmy Kimmel show was fun, and I loved the alternate endings. I found it interesting that  some of the actors never watch the show.

What did the pop-ups say?

The most helpful one was the one that said Desmond was not afraid to uncork the light because he thought that he was going into the life in the side flash. And that Hurley could only cope with Letting Jack go back down because he thought he could rescue Jack.  I still hope somebody writes a book about the hidden symbolism and meanig of LOST. I would even be willing to read a graduate student's thesis or dissertation on the subject. This show really had to be watched more than once to make sense. It's still not tied up in a neat little bow, but it gave me alot to think about. : ok: I cried at the moments of true love. The popups also mentined that the memories of the Island life were triggered when the characters were either about to die or they felt  a moment of true love, ie Sawyer and Juliet, Sun and Jin, Charlie and Claire.

I've got it on my DVR, but it's in High Def.

Let me see if I can convince our DVD burner to record it.  If I can (the audio is the tricky part, believe it or not..sometimes it comes out without sound), we'll see if I can't just get it to you. :)

LOL, check out this shit  ;D

http://www.penneydesign.com/folio_IM_lostgame.html

Good old lost scumm memories...  :hihi:

Lost for me is what being human on this planet is all about.

We come here to discover who we are, and hopefully why we are here. The main goal is to be okay with who you are (self-love) and for many to find love in a reflection of that love (loved one).

If you have a spouse, or partner, that person is a reflection of you, be it functional, or dis-functional.

There is synchronicity in all of our lives whether we are "awake" to it or not. Just as with all of the characters on Lost. Their lives intertwined on so many levels. I believe ours do as well with all of the people in our own lives and in our individual circles.

There is a pureness somewhere outside of humans that feeds our existence. The Island, aka The Source.

Jacob and The Smoke Monster talked about how "normal" humans are greedy, and fight one another. Jacob and TSM were given god-like status because those parts need to be played in this human drama. Good vs. Bad is a theme we are all here to work on. We are taught as soon as possible that we are to judge things around us as either good or bad. To be able to look beyond that would put one above all this on some level. Thus god-like. To be god-like, one should be able to be balanced in the center of all polarized dramas.

The sideways was the afterlife. For me that group of souls came to this planet to work on certain things and chose to do it together which is why they all ended up thrown together for the crash on the Island. And after that story was told, or experienced, they all met up in the afterlife to journey on to their next level of learning.......together as a group.

And there you have my 2 cents on Lost and this life.

Thankyou, that was very profound.

i saw the ending.

wow, what a waste of a decade. Pathetic, n totally didnt explain many past characters.

Well, I tried to get it to DVD...but failed.  No audio (even though the audio connections are firmly hooked up, and I had no problem transferring some "low def" content as a test) and some odd video artifacts.

Sorry..... :(

n00b

Really, Why?

Because a number of people agree with me.

They're all n00bs

One thing they may have explained but I've missed.

Michael and Walt? What happened to them?

walt lives with his nan

michael appears as a ghost for cameos.

thats bout it really! The amazing lost script.

They got out, via a boat, provided by Ben. 

Walt (and potentially Aaron, Claire's son) were considered "special" because they were candidates to be the Island's protector.  And as Walt had a rather special gift (as did Hurley and some of the other candidates), he would have made a particularly nasty protector.

So Smokey (who Ben thought was Jacob) and Ben worked to get Walt (and Michael) OFF the island...while also eliminating some of the other candidates (though Libby, I guess, was accidental).  I guess even Smokey found killing a kid distasteful (or, maybe, impossible??  No "stain of sin" on them?).

Walt was left with his grandmother because Michael came back sort of "damaged"...as in, a bit loony...after the events that took place. Tom (likely at the behest of Ben/Smokey) shows up and offers Michael a chance at "redemtion"..which, really, is a Ben/Smokey Ploy to outwit Widmore and kill some more candidates.  But Michael falls for it, and heads out to join Widmore's expedition.

 He ends up dying on that boat saving some of the other "big name" characters from the bomb...thus "redeeming" himself, to some extent, from his murder of Libby and Anna Lucia.  But that wasn't Smokey/Ben's plan....just a "happy accident".

His ghost shows up  in the last season, to give Hurley some advice (and to apologize for killing Libby).  He reveals that, though he found "redemption", he's still stuck on the island, unable to pass on to the afterlife, because of the things he did on the island.  So, it sounds like the "redemption" he was looking for, he never REALLY got.  Guess that's what comes from working as an agent of Smokey and Ben.