Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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Awesome rocker. I love the intro and the main riff.

Not sure if everyone is aware, but the whole album was recently leaked, even though we've heard pretty much all the songs.
Saint is a Sinner Too is kinda wierd but nice and We?re all gonna die es just Ok but has some nice guitars on it.

Only sons that are un-heard are Shackles and Chains and the song with Cooper, Nicole and Adler.

Yes, but the stream is legal and the song can be discussed here.

fucking awesome song!  love the intro also and the riffs.  Brilliant rocker.

I actually enjoy it a lot more than I thought I would. Never been a big Lemmy fan.
Surprised that so far no one's complained about the riff being a rip-off, though. People jumped on the fact that one line in 'Beautiful Dangerous' bore a slight resemblance to another song. But the riff in this one is exactly the same as 'Main Man' by The Ramones and everyone loves it.

This has been mentioned a few times now and riff is exactly the same.The chances of Slash not knowing that is quite slim, so I'm assuming they somehow have permission to use the riff.

Back from Cali and Rolling Stones "Slave" are apparently similar in some part too..  

Every single day its getting tougher to be original lol.  look at Dirty little Thing and Riad etc..

Speaking of Dirty Little Thing, the solo in this song in has part of the Dirty Little Thing solo in it as well. Guess it is getting hard for Slash to come up with original riffs and solos... :o


I don't really wanna rip on Slash, but on the rockers on this album, he's just playing power chords for the most part, which is disappointing considering the riffs he is capable of.

yeah there is a bit of the solo that is like Dirty Little Thing.  All guitarists have their signature licks though. 
I like the riffs on the album, even though a lot of it is powerchords.

On Watch This, Slash is playing many of his Signature Licks as well...  I forget which song, but he has they exact run from sweet child o'mine in it as well... His solo from Mother Maria and By the Sword are both great and very original.

The claim that "Slave" is the same is nuts.....   

ill listen out for that!  just listening to "We're all gonna die", what an awesome tune!  great soloing and riffing again!  Lyrics are so funny!

Just noticed some of the solo on I hold on has a similar lick to Messages and Watch This has a similar lick to Slither.  Just in the solos.  listen real close though!  :)

yup, i heard that the first time i listened to the song

I've never heard that slave song, nor the song that DLT was similar too.. riad though, are you meaning the sampled intro before the guitars come in?

The intro is very AFD!

Having a similar riff, or even ripping off a riff, is nowhere near the same thing as the ambient noise issue with "Riad N' The Bedouins".  One thing is central to the song itself, while the other is completely incidental.

Ali

Ali, that was a direct sample, not even a cover......    Coming up with a simple riff that sounds like another simple riff is very common.

It may be common, but there is a distinct difference between having a riff that is identical to another and an ambient noise intro that is completely incidental to the song itself.  The former is the foundation on which the song itself is built, while the latter is irrelevant to the song itself.

I'm not trying to start an argument about this, but let's be honest and not conflate two things that are in reality dissimilar.

Ali

if one were to remove the nosie intro to riad, it would still be the same song, if the riff to this song would be changed it would be a different song all together, simple as that

Dirty Little Thing and Rhiad, those where really just rip-offs.. Rhiad literally, while Dirty Little Thing's original was so similar not only riff wise but also in the song structure changes.

With Dr. Alibi those intro chords, for sure it sounds like Main Man, but at the same time it sounds like something else. Doesn't bother me really, if you write a simple 3 chord like punkrock track it's hard not to come close to the Ramones ;)

What bothers me more is to have a song like Chains And Shackles, to have literally the same verse riff as Nothing To Say. Don't get the point of that really, though it sounds good.

THIS is exactly my point!! : ok:  Thank you, CheapJon.  That is the fundamental and completely and utterly crucial difference between the two situations.  :yes:

Ali

I agree, but my point is that Slash used his brain and came up with that riff.  The intro to RNB was copy and pasted from somewhere else.  Slash was an accident, the use of it on RNB was intentional.  See the difference?  One happend by accident, where the other did not, but I agree, the riff is more imortant, just stating once was a blatant rip off and the other was not.  And after the  riff, the song is much different than the ramones' song anyway.

Hmm, I can see very clearly where this is going. 

It is likely that Slash's riff was accidentally similar.  It is also entirely possible that like the statement management released, the band mistakenly thought they had authorization to use the sample in question for Riad.  In that case, BOTH would be accidental, not intentional, outcomes.

At the end of the day, what CheapJon said is on the money, you can remove the Riad intro and have the same exact song, whereas you can't remove the riff from "Dr. Alibi" and have the same exact song.  That is indisputable.  And, that is why you can't compare the situations and say they are the same.

Ali

Or you can say Rhiad literally had a piece copied and Dr. Alibi sounds alike.. it all depends on how you want it to see. Which in turn depends on which side of the camp one's on.

 ;)

I don't think it has anything to do with which side of the camp you're on.  There is no disputing that the guitar riff is essential to the song "Dr. Alibi", whereas Riad's ambient noise intro is completely inessential to the song itself. 

Whether or not you believe one or the other was deliberately and maliciously copied is the only thing that depends on how you feel about either side.  Personally, I believe neither was done in a deliberate and malicious and knowingly deceptive manner.

Ali

Then what the fuck does it matter Ali?  We all agree the riff is very important.  You are stating the obvious.  The only point we made is that GNR copy  and pasted part of another song onto their song.  Slash accidentally came up with his.  Its not a big deal and I don't really car in either case.   : ok:

Ali and CheapJon are right.

And this song is alright, nothing special.  Although I think it's slightly better than I expected.  I'm not a huge Lemmy fan either but dug the song for a bit.  I actually enjoyed the song the first half of the song or so, then it just got repetitive.

FALDOR, we ALL agree they are right.  There is no debate.  Its like saying the sky is blue, or the sun is hot.  I often write riffs that I think are awesome and later find out that the riff I created has already been created.  However, rarely do I desire to copy and paste part of one song onto my song........  Actually not rarely, but NEVER.

In essence your saying GNR can't come up with their own stuff and slash can. That's the veiled comment you're trying to come across with which is moronic considering you don't know the thought process behind either side. Maybe GNR didn't know it was part of another song, and maybe slash knew exactly what the riff was. Who the fuck knows really and it's pointless to compare the 2 things.

That's the reason THEY are right and you are not.  You're blaming GNR for "stealing" ambient noise without consent, as if you know all the details.  That's like me saying Slash intentionally played a similar riff.  I don't know that to be the case, so what right would I have to say that?

What does it matter?  The original comment lumped in the issue with intro of "Riad" being sampled with the similarity in riffs for "Dirty Little Thing" and "Dr. Alibi".  My original point was that they are not comparable situations, that's all.  Apparently, it isn't that obvious if people are lumping the two situations together.  And, yes, I agree with Faldor, that whether you intend it or not, your comments to me sound like you are insinuating that GN'R deliberately with malicious and knowingly deceptive intent used the sample.  That simply may not be the case at all.

Ali

 ::) I didn't know that half of the board was involved in BOTH the creative process of Guns songs and Slash's songs I need the hook up to know what goes on behind the scenes because I guess everyone else knows exactly what happens  :rofl:

Alright fellas, this line of conversation has obviously ran its course.

The threads about Doctor Alibi, the rest is static.

The song rocks.   8)

I concur the song does rock pretty hard  : ok:

Lyrics:


I went to see the doctor.
He said, You're pretty sick,
You've got some real bad habits,
You better stop right quick.

I said, Doctor, that's real bad news,
Don't know what I'm gonna do!

Doctor,
There's nothing wrong with me!
Doctor, Doctor,
Can't you see?

Doctor,
I ain't gonna die,
Just write me an alibi!

I went to see a Shaman,
He said, You'll be al right,
Just keep doin' what you love,
Every single night!

I said that's what I need to hear,
<?> away my childish fears.

Doctor,
You're a stand up guy!
Doctor, Doctor,
My, Oh My!

Doctor,
You're the one for me,
That's the mojo that I need!

Don't you know I feel al right?
Doin' what I do?
I ain't gonna tow the line,
Not till I turn blue.

All I got is one short life,
That's what people say...
... And I ain't gonna waste a second,
Doin' what you say!

I won't be the one you like,
I won't be the boy next door,
I won't be the chosen one,
That's not what I'm here for.

I don't like the way you are,
I despise what you hold dear,
Don't you try to make me change,
I'll haunt you ... for a thousand years!

Doctor,
Don't you talk that way,
Doctor,
Don't you mess my day.

Doctor,
Stay away from me,
Sick is what I'd rather be!

Doctor, Doctor,
Doctor Death.
Doctor, Doctor,
Out of breath.

Doctor,
I ain't gonna die,
Just write me an alibi!

I didn't mean my original post as an attack on Slash or the song. As I said, I think it's a good song.
I meant it as an attack on the people who jumped on the slight similarity in one line of one song to another, but then talked about how fantastic this track was, even though the riff is completely identical to another one.

It's kind of like online satire. The geekiest satire ever. :peace:

The resemblance wasn't slight by any means. The hook was the same.